Re: [MBZ] restoration or patina
Yes but a low mileage original mundane car like a 240D is worth a lot more than any restored one. Same applies for middle of the road collector cars like pagodas. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 5, 2010, at 11:56 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Original cars are always worth more, and will increase in value faster as a collector car. An original interior with a bit of wear is worth more than a replacement one. Same with paint, etc. This concept may sound crazy to some who think restored=good. In reality, unrestored=good. Over time, restorations fade and the shortcuts become obvious. An original car, kept well, will always hold value in all markets Well now, wait a minute. Your comments apply only to a very narrow portion of the collector car market and almost always apply to a significant car with verifiable provenance. For example, I saw a barn-find Jag XKE at a Monterey auction some time back that supposedly was either an early factory prototype (or maybe a significant racing history, can't remember which) which looked like it had been out in the woods for decades. Not even cleaned up in any significant way and it sold for an astonishing amount. In the last few years, the idea of unmolested patina has interested a certain segment of buyers but it only applies to cars with an important and verifiable history. Something raced by Juan Fangio or a LeMans winner etc. It certainly does not apply to an ordinary production car that one might expect to actually drive someplace. I'm also not referring to what's been offered at Barrett-Jackson of late, either. I claim some hands-on knowledge here, having spent nearly fifteen years of my life working with my friend SJB restoring three significant collector cars to factory original 100% correct condition. His money, our time and I enjoyed it immensely. I'm thinking your definition of restored vs mine differs a bit. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Garage Door problems
Randy, I closely compared the two doors, but the difference between the bad and the good was not obvious - they BOTH seem to have a lot of slop/play in my opinion. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of R A Bennell Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 4:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Garage Door problems Start looking for worn components. Loose rails or sloppy bearings on the rollers. Something is permitting too much play in the whole thing. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 11:16 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Garage Door problems Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: OK, so how does one balance the springs? Should be an adjuster where the back end of the spring attaches to the garage or somewhere on the cable. I'm soo glad the new doors have torsion springs. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Garage Door problems
Thanks Philip, that sounds like something I can attempt rather easily. Method should work fine, I'm hoping that the adjustment mechanism for tension of the cables is a reasonable one. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 4:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Garage Door problems Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: OK, so how does one balance the springs? I think that I have a copy of the installation manual that I can dig up, and Google knows all, but maybe someone knows the clever/quick/efficient way to get it done. The way I did it - on my 16ft wide door (too big, in my opinion - but that's what was there) * Disconnected the electric opener * While moving it by hand * watch and feel all the way through the travel. * adjust the tension on one or the other spring. I don't know what the correct installation is for those spring, but mine are hooked to solid frame at one end and cabled to a pulley at the other end. Changing the length of the cable changes the tension. * repeat until satisfied, frustrated, or out of time * reconnect the electric opener and test --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD feel every bump
I've got one. It's been rebuilt once (still leaked down), and it is still on the mount. How does $25 sound? I think that there is an extra o-ring inside the small round valve assembly that I missed when I rebuilt this one. I had the kit of new o-rings from MB, but circumstances beyond my control caused me to rush the job, and during clean-up later I found one last new o-ring that I failed to replace. Could be that there was an extra in the kit, but I think I just missed it. This was after two rebuilds and a used valve all failed over about a 6 month period; finally I bought a new valve from Rusty for $200 and moved on. I think someone had mistakenly offered the new valves for $200 - shortly afterward the price jumped to over $300 I think. After swapping a few on my '85 300TD, now sold, I realized that it's far easier to remove the lines and then the mount from the body of the car, [overhaul or replace] and then to install by finger-tightening the lines and then screwing the mount to the body, with the valve attached. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of MG Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 7:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD feel every bump Speaking of the control valve. Does anyone happen to have one for a early 80,s 300TD? Doesn't have to work as I want to see what they are like inside. Mine may be none functional. Manfred Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:50:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD feel every bump Does your model have hydraulic level control? If so and the spheres are shot (they always go eventually), it will feel like a rigid (no shocks no springs) back end. The good news is spheres are not that expensive. The less-good news is replacement (job 32-620) is a messy. The bad news is you can screw up some expensive parts (like struts and the control valve) if you drive too long with failed spheres. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Garage Door problems
I'll double check them, but I'm pretty sure they all are free to move. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 9:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Garage Door problems Every time I have had this problem, the cure has not been lube for the wheels, but rather the shafts being stuck in the hinge/holder. That causes one side to bind. (except the time one spring broke, but that was obvious. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 617 Manual Flywheel Measurements
STD sounds interesting, Schuman site does not sound appealing to me. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Walt Zarnoch Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 4:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 617 Manual Flywheel Measurements He's talking bout the std forum. Walt On Oct 5, 2010 4:28 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rolf wrote: If your interested in squeezing some performance beyond good maintenance, its the be... Are you talking about schumanautomotive.com??? I'm pretty sure Meade/Max was. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.o... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Recipes for Pickled hot peppers and pole beans
Yes, indeed it does! I know just the fellow to provide objective culinary reporting - let me check with the Social Director to see when we can fit you in. Last night was Chicken Alfredo made with left-overs, so it was chicken/sausage/steak alfredo with peas, but still more tasty and interesting (and healthier) than Carraba's, which is just around the corner from our house. Carraba's actually does a great job with meat dishes, but I find their pasta dishes to be way to rich and over-done. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 9:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Recipes for Pickled hot peppers and pole beans I think the list needs some independent verification of your claims. --R On 10/5/2010 9:09 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: In general, I avoid most Italian food places and dishes unless prepared by my wife or an Italian friend or relative. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
Yeah, they're just too expensive to justify. Its a tool to borrow for sure! I was just explaining what the factory way to make wires is. You can probably find aftermarket wires already made from Rusty and such, but would have to buy the complete set. Jaime On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Good info Jaime! Thanks $325 for pliers? Not with my money I think a coax crimper would work. I am sure the Beru plers are nice, but they are worth about $32.50, not $325. Ignition leads from this time period use screw on connectors. You use this tool: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=271categoryId=6 To crimp on terminals that look like this: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=19categoryId=8 Then you screw on the end: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=250categoryId=12 I recently build wires for my '95 E320 using this method. The parts are available as needed from the dealer. The complete wires were not available, you had to build them Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Recipes for Pickled hot peppers and pole beans
I think that the mistake most Italian restaurants make is (1) not using fresh ingredients and (2) too many spices. Good olive oil, fresh tomatoes/garlic/basil/parsley, a little salt, maybe a few other minor spices are about all that is needed (fennel - that's the other one I was thinking of). Sometimes onions, very rarely onions and garlic together. Near the Italian apartment I lived in, I could walk one block and find a fresh produce market, small grocery store with deli counter, a butcher, and a pizza place. Sometimes dinner was simply fresh bread, cheese, and a tomato/olive oil/vinegar/onion salad, a little salt on top, and it was far more tasty and satisfying there than the same foods are here (add a glass of red wine to that dinner). Andrew's garden-in-the-city sounds like heaven to me. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Recipes for Pickled hot peppers and pole beans I agree with Max, but substitute my wife for his, and with Rich, we need independent verification! The only good Italian resturant I've ever eaten in was owned and run by a couple of second generation Italians, here in Norman. They retired a few years back, and I've about given up on Italian resturants. You just have to cook it yourself. On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I think the list needs some independent verification of your claims. --R On 10/5/2010 9:09 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: In general, I avoid most Italian food places and dishes unless prepared by my wife or an Italian friend or relative. -Max OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Recipes for Pickled hot peppers and pole beans
Of course, I'll ask The Cook to make something that doesn't include left-overs! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 7:40 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Recipes for Pickled hot peppers and pole beans Yes, indeed it does! I know just the fellow to provide objective culinary reporting - let me check with the Social Director to see when we can fit you in. Last night was Chicken Alfredo made with left-overs, so it was chicken/sausage/steak alfredo with peas, but still more tasty and interesting (and healthier) than Carraba's, which is just around the corner from our house. Carraba's actually does a great job with meat dishes, but I find their pasta dishes to be way to rich and over-done. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 9:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Recipes for Pickled hot peppers and pole beans I think the list needs some independent verification of your claims. --R On 10/5/2010 9:09 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: In general, I avoid most Italian food places and dishes unless prepared by my wife or an Italian friend or relative. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] CarFax anyone?
Looking very hard at a Dodge P/U at an independent dealer, I get nervous dealing with these fellows. Vin # 3D7KR28C17G724641 -- Peter T. Arnold P.M. x3 All Mail to: Secretary Hartford Evergreen Lodge #88 A.F. A.M. 34 Country Club Drive Windsor, CT 06095 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CarFax anyone?
pm7...@comcast.net wrote: Looking very hard at a Dodge P/U at an independent dealer, I get nervous dealing with these fellows. Vin # 3D7KR28C17G724641 I thought it'd become standard for dealers to have unlimited Carfax subscriptions and hand out the reports? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
Hmm, snowmobiles use threaded caps, I wonder how different they are? Of course snowmobile wires are real stranded wire inside. -Curt Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 18:51:44 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question Message-ID: a06240814c8d16864b...@[192.168.1.12] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed That is the way it used to be back when I messed with M180 gassers. I think our 230TE 123 was that way also. It is a great system. When it got to where I could not get bulk spark plug wire reasonably, I'd just buy a v-8 set of moulded cables and cut the ends off to get the length I needed. Always had a few spare wires also that way The thing that really ticked me off was when some numbskull at the corner gas station would throw out the ends and put cheap American moulded wires on the engine. I would scrounge the junkyards for original ends. Craig wrote: That would be great, but the terminal/connector is buried in the rubber of the rubber cap. I cannot see any way to get it out and then back in. The terminal doesn't have a threaded spike on it, does it? If it's threaded, I believe you cut the cable square and screw the end on. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garlic
Interestingly, since I don't particularly care for garlic (I don't mind it but I don't go out of my way to use it), I am right at this moment wearing my Garlic Arts festival tee-shirt... http://www.garlicandarts.org/ -Curt Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 20:46:05 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Garlic WAS: Way OT: Recipes for Pickled hot peppers and pole beans Message-ID: a06240823c8d184cfa...@[192.168.1.12] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed You sound like someone from Gilroy, CA see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilroy,_California and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilroy_Garlic_Festival ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone in the Atlanta area want to check out a car?
I'll disagree right back, I'd much prefer patina over restoration. Of course theres a fine line between patina and dirt... -Curt Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:38:25 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone in the Atlanta area want to check out a car? Message-ID: aanlktinwvnb5m_oe6sr8tfb0maf1y7gnv7jdngftp...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am sorry, but i must disagree. I hate smelly old cars, and the more luxurious they are the worse they age. I hated having to stare at the cracked wood dash in my old coupe and the cracked original leather made me cringe. Once I restored it and drove it for 10 years it felt very original and I enjoyed the sensory experience much more than when it had a patina (crust) of stinky aged-ness. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CarFax anyone?
I have an inherent distrust of used car dealers. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2010 9:42:09 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] CarFax anyone? pm7...@comcast.net wrote: Looking very hard at a Dodge P/U at an independent dealer, I get nervous dealing with these fellows. Vin # 3D7KR28C17G724641 I thought it'd become standard for dealers to have unlimited Carfax subscriptions and hand out the reports? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Restoration or Patina
My brother has a '42 International KB7 5-ton stake bed that he uses almost daily for various chores, including pulling a rolling chassis of a semitractor a few hunderd miles, and hauling everything from rock to antique machinery. It was slathered with flat white latex house paint decades ago by a former owner, and the butterfly hood has rusty barn strap hinges tack-welded to it. THe whole thing was covered with moss when he bought it. I suggested powerwashing, and he was mortified. You'll ruin the patina! He was right. the thing is a rolling piece of folk art. Since my brother looks like Pa Joad after a rough day (gets a haircut every couple years, shaves maybe once a week, greasy overalls, jack-shirts that look like they've been run through a limb chipper) and is always accompanied by Jesse, a rescued junkyard mutt who frequently sleeps under my brother's oil-dripping semi, the whole thing looks like it was ordered by central casting for a remake of the Grapes of Wrath. Restoring that truck would be a crime. It runs wonderfully, on the other hand, and will pull a house. When his farmer friend cooked the automatic in his tonner dually 4X trying to get a backhoe on a trailer up a steep and rough off-road grade, Geoff hooked onto him and pulled the whole mess up the hill with the KB. That's what a 6:1 compression, an 89 hp stroker six and deep reduction will do. You can actually clutch into the lowest of ten gears, climb out of the truck and have both feet on the ground before the crank rotation can take up all the gear lash and u-joint slop and the truck actually starts inching forward. That, says Geoff, is a truck. Dan --- Original Message --- From: mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com[mailto:mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com] Sent: 10/6/2010 7:00:01 AM To : mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc : Subject : RE: Mercedes Digest, Vol 59, Issue 23 Send Mercedes mailing list submissions to mercedes@okiebenz.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com You can reach the person managing the list at mercedes-ow...@okiebenz.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Mercedes digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Way OT: Recipes for Pickled hot peppers and pole beans (andrew strasfogel) 2. Re: '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question (Craig) 3. Re: R-985 (relng...@aol.com) 4. Re: '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question (Craig) 5. Re: restoration or patina (relng...@aol.com) 6. Re: restoration or patina (Dimitri Seretakis) 7. Re: OT: Garage Door problems (Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310) 8. Re: OT: Garage Door problems (Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310) 9. Re: 300SD feel every bump (Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310) 10. Re: OT: Garage Door problems (Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310) 11. Re: 617 Manual Flywheel Measurements (Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310) 12. Re: Way OT: Recipes for Pickled hot peppers and pole beans (Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:39:35 -0400 Gilroy, CA - the garlic capital of the world. On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:07 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Max, but substitute my wife for his, and with Rich, we need independent verification! The only good Italian resturant I've ever eaten in was owned and run by a couple of second generation Italians, here in Norman. They retired a few years back, and I've about given up on Italian resturants. You just have to cook it yourself. On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I think the list needs some independent verification of your claims. --R On 10/5/2010 9:09 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: In general, I avoid most Italian food places and dishes unless prepared by my wife or an Italian friend or relative. -Max OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:25:59 -0600 On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:37:26 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Ignition leads from this time period use screw on connectors. You use this tool:
Re: [MBZ] Restoration or Patina
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:26 AM, theprofil...@dwx.com theprofil...@dwx.com wrote: my brother looks like Pa Joad after a rough day (gets a haircut every couple years, shaves maybe once a week, greasy overalls, jack-shirts that look like they've been run through a limb chipper) What does he do for a living? System administrator? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Restoration or Patina
When I was in high school my great uncle had a KB-5 which I guess was a 2 1/2 ton. A kid I was in school with had access to a brandy new Chevy 4x4 dually 1 ton 454ci that he said could pull anything. I challenged him and showed up with the KB-5 loaded right to the roof with logs due for firewood processing. We chained the two trucks together I put the KB into compound first and let him roll me back about 5 feet before easing the clutch out and dragging the Chevy 10 (tires screeching) feet the t'other way. I asked if he had enough and he bet me $100 I couldn't do it again. I proceeded to drag his little chebby around the school in a cloud of smoke. Granted it was a totally unfair fight but he was dumb enough to continue so I figured he deserved it... -Curt Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:26:03 -0500 From: theprofil...@dwx.com theprofil...@dwx.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Restoration or Patina Message-ID: 360c992ca0c848f0a7dc685213e1ae98.theprofil...@dwx.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 My brother has a '42 International KB7 5-ton stake bed that he uses almost daily for various chores, including pulling a rolling chassis of a semitractor a few hunderd miles, and hauling everything from rock to antique machinery. It was slathered with flat white latex house paint decades ago by a former owner, and the butterfly hood has rusty barn strap hinges tack-welded to it. THe whole thing was covered with moss when he bought it. I suggested powerwashing, and he was mortified. You'll ruin the patina! He was right. the thing is a rolling piece of folk art. Since my brother looks like Pa Joad after a rough day (gets a haircut every couple years, shaves maybe once a week, greasy overalls, jack-shirts that look like they've been run through a limb chipper) and is always accompanied by Jesse, a rescued junkyard mutt who frequently sleeps under my brother's oil-dripping semi, the whole thing looks like it was ordered by central casting for a remake of the Grapes of Wrath. Restoring that truck would be a crime. It runs wonderfully, on the other hand, and will pull a house. When his farmer friend cooked the automatic in his tonner dually 4X trying to get a backhoe on a trailer up a steep and rough off-road grade, Geoff hooked onto him and pulled the whole mess up the hill with the KB. That's what a 6:1 compression, an 89 hp stroker six and deep reduction will do. You can actually clutch into the lowest of ten gears, climb out of the truck and have both feet on the ground before the crank rotation can take up all the gear lash and u-joint slop and the truck actually starts inching forward. That, says Geoff, is a truck. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CarFax anyone?
For what it is worth, I suspect the average used car dealer knows little more about the cars on the lot than you do. They buy them at auction and put them on the lot for sale. I don't think most will do much to the vehicle apart from cleaning until a deal is made. I have bought 2 used F150's from the same lot and in both cases, I had them looked at by my mechanic and then told them what I wanted repaired. They did not argue in either case. Just did the work and sold me the trucks. I might have driven a bit harder bargain if I did not ask for as much to be done but in both cases, I have not been unhappy with the results. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of pm7...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:20 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] CarFax anyone? I have an inherent distrust of used car dealers. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2010 9:42:09 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] CarFax anyone? pm7...@comcast.net wrote: Looking very hard at a Dodge P/U at an independent dealer, I get nervous dealing with these fellows. Vin # 3D7KR28C17G724641 I thought it'd become standard for dealers to have unlimited Carfax subscriptions and hand out the reports? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Finite Rust
Thanks for the advice. On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 5:32 PM, theprofil...@dwx.com theprofil...@dwx.comwrote: Andrew wrote: I would rather deal with finite rust There is no such thing as finite rust. Rust is infinite. Rust never sleeps. by the time you can see it--and WAY before the time a panel gets as bubbly as the one shown in the ad--its progressed a good long way into the structure and only a complete disassembly down to the last bolt, sandblasting on a rotisserie, refabrication of lost material and reassembly will help much. Even then, the insides of box beams and such are still rotting away. Mercedes' have the best undercoating I've seen, and rust is long delayed. Unfortunately, the envelope is so good, though, that once it's pierced and rust starts, it progresses very fast, as the rustproofing seals in moisture very effectively--and prevents you from seeing how far gone stuff really is. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone in the Atlanta area want to check out a car?
I'm allergic to smell. I will admit that an original, rust free car that is still nice is preferable to a glossy resto-mod. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'll disagree right back, I'd much prefer patina over restoration. Of course theres a fine line between patina and dirt... -Curt Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:38:25 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone in the Atlanta area want to check out a car? Message-ID: aanlktinwvnb5m_oe6sr8tfb0maf1y7gnv7jdngftp...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am sorry, but i must disagree. I hate smelly old cars, and the more luxurious they are the worse they age. I hated having to stare at the cracked wood dash in my old coupe and the cracked original leather made me cringe. Once I restored it and drove it for 10 years it felt very original and I enjoyed the sensory experience much more than when it had a patina (crust) of stinky aged-ness. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garlic
Wow, what a great link. :)) Any idea which of these folks would sell me some organic garlic cloves to plant in the back 40? On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Interestingly, since I don't particularly care for garlic (I don't mind it but I don't go out of my way to use it), I am right at this moment wearing my Garlic Arts festival tee-shirt... http://www.garlicandarts.org/ -Curt Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 20:46:05 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Garlic WAS: Way OT: Recipes for Pickled hot peppers and polebeans Message-ID: a06240823c8d184cfa...@[192.168.1.12] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed You sound like someone from Gilroy, CA see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilroy,_California and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilroy_Garlic_Festival ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Restoration or Patina
Curt Raymond wrote: When I was in high school my great uncle had a KB-5 which I guess was a 2 1/2 ton. A kid I was in school with had access to a brandy new Chevy 4x4 dually 1 ton 454ci that he said could pull anything. I challenged him and showed up with the KB-5 loaded right to the roof with logs due for firewood processing. We chained the two trucks together I put the KB into compound first and let him roll me back about 5 feet before easing the clutch out and dragging the Chevy 10 (tires screeching) feet the t'other way. I asked if he had enough and he bet me $100 I couldn't do it again. I proceeded to drag his little chebby around the school in a cloud of smoke. Granted it was a totally unfair fight but he was dumb enough to continue so I figured he deserved it... Did he eventually get the math lesson? Gravitational attraction x coefficient of friction = pull. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garlic
If you want I can get some of my great uncle's stock for you next time we braid, won't be till next fall though. Walt On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:23 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, what a great link. :)) Any idea which of these folks would sell me some organic garlic cloves to plant in the back 40? On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Interestingly, since I don't particularly care for garlic (I don't mind it but I don't go out of my way to use it), I am right at this moment wearing my Garlic Arts festival tee-shirt... http://www.garlicandarts.org/ -Curt Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 20:46:05 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Garlic WAS: Way OT: Recipes for Pickled hot peppers and pole beans Message-ID: a06240823c8d184cfa...@[192.168.1.12] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed You sound like someone from Gilroy, CA see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilroy,_California and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilroy_Garlic_Festival ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT I go on a B17
That is probably right, all I remember is that they were noisy, smoky, and blew oil out the stacks and dripped from every other place. You could always tell where it had been parked on the ramp. The pilot, not sure he owned it or leased it, was about 6'6 and weighed over 300lb, he was huge. His wife would go with him some nights, she barely reached 5ft and weighed about 90lb if that. It took him a few minutes to wiggle and contort into his seat, and even that did not look possible, she slid right in and had to sit on a pillow to see out. --R On 10/5/2010 9:50 PM, OK Don wrote: Those were PW R985s - 9 cylinders each, 450HP, IIRC. Checked it - there were at least four different engines on various versions of the D-18, but I think the R985 was the most popular. The Jacobs R755 was 300HP (in the version I flew behind, ranged from 245 to 330), and total oil capacity was 5 gals. We had to add a quart every 10 or 20 hours of flight time. It hauled the Cessna 195 at 165 mph, and burned 16 gals/hr. On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I used to service a Beech D-18 summers when I worked at the airport. Pilot would come out about darkish to go haul the mail, tell me to check the gas and fill the oil. An oil fill on each side would take up to 3 gallons, which was dispensed from a 5 gal can, which was lots of fun to haul up the wing to the top of the cowl and dump it in through a big funnel. Especially if it was raining and the previous 3 gal was coating the top of the wing. He would fire that thing up after it sat for a few days, and it would belch clouds of smoke and hit and miss and sputter until it got firing and warmed up a bit. I think those were 5cyl radials? I'll have to study up, my memories of the details are a bit fuzzy. --R On 10/4/2010 10:31 PM, OK Don wrote: There is a lot of expansion from heat on those engines, and they do tend to collect oil that leaks past the rings in the lower cylinders. they seal-up once up to temp, most times. I used to fly behind a little one (Jacobs R755) - it could produce a cloud of smoke after sitting several weeks that would make a worn out 617 proud. - OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Wanted: 124 back seat cushion foam to fit in a '95
Does anyone have the foam part of a 124 back seat cushion? Mine has a terrible odor and IT MUST GO! Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 320k miles '95 E300 274k miles (project) '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wanted: 124 back seat cushion foam to fit in a '95
Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Does anyone have the foam part of a 124 back seat cushion? Mine has a terrible odor and IT MUST GO! http://nil-odor.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garlic
That garlic must be in great demand! I once purchased a braid of organic garlic from the famous gardener Joe Nestasie in PA - awesome stuff. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: If you want I can get some of my great uncle's stock for you next time we braid, won't be till next fall though. Walt On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:23 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, what a great link. :)) Any idea which of these folks would sell me some organic garlic cloves to plant in the back 40? On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Interestingly, since I don't particularly care for garlic (I don't mind it but I don't go out of my way to use it), I am right at this moment wearing my Garlic Arts festival tee-shirt... http://www.garlicandarts.org/ -Curt Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 20:46:05 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Garlic WAS: Way OT: Recipes for Pickled hot peppers and polebeans Message-ID: a06240823c8d184cfa...@[192.168.1.12] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed You sound like someone from Gilroy, CA see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilroy,_California and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilroy_Garlic_Festival ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wanted: 124 back seat cushion foam to fit in a '95
Mitch, Thanks, but this is a mold/mildew problem, not detectable to my nose but the spores cause respiratory distress for my wife. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 2:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wanted: 124 back seat cushion foam to fit in a '95 Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Does anyone have the foam part of a 124 back seat cushion? Mine has a terrible odor and IT MUST GO! http://nil-odor.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Query re: Clogged AC condensate drain(s) on W123 300CD
We drove her 1985 300CD all over VA wine country last weekend on the hottest late September of all time, with the AC running full blast. Next time she took out the car the floor mat was completely soaked. Since the car didn't go through any rainstorms I am assuming that the AC condensate exit(s) must be blocked. Where are thse drains, and how do I de-clog it/them? TIA, Andrew 1983 and 85 300CD SWMBO - 1985 300CD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wanted: 124 back seat cushion foam to fit in a '95
Yuck! That stuff smells awful too! Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 12:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wanted: 124 back seat cushion foam to fit in a '95 Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Does anyone have the foam part of a 124 back seat cushion? Mine has a terrible odor and IT MUST GO! http://nil-odor.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garlic
They're all good folks. I'd start with Seeds of Solidarity http://www.seedsofsolidarity.org/ but any in the list should be fine. -Curt Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:23:54 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Garlic Message-ID: aanlktiks+r_t54nuq2yjyevxhzpfykr+gmo4y-rvx...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wow, what a great link. :)) Any idea which of these folks would sell me some organic garlic cloves to plant in the back 40? On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Interestingly, since I don't particularly care for garlic (I don't mind it but I don't go out of my way to use it), I am right at this moment wearing my Garlic Arts festival tee-shirt... http://www.garlicandarts.org/ -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Restoration or Patina
I doubt it, I think he probably still believes the bigger engine wins in all cases... -Curt Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 11:34:47 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Restoration or Patina Message-ID: 4cac9717.9050...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: When I was in high school my great uncle had a KB-5 which I guess was a 2 1/2 ton. A kid I was in school with had access to a brandy new Chevy 4x4 dually 1 ton 454ci that he said could pull anything. I challenged him and showed up with the KB-5 loaded right to the roof with logs due for firewood processing. We chained the two trucks together I put the KB into compound first and let him roll me back about 5 feet before easing the clutch out and dragging the Chevy 10 (tires screeching) feet the t'other way. I asked if he had enough and he bet me $100 I couldn't do it again. I proceeded to drag his little chebby around the school in a cloud of smoke. Granted it was a totally unfair fight but he was dumb enough to continue so I figured he deserved it... Did he eventually get the math lesson? Gravitational attraction x coefficient of friction = pull ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garlic
We usually freeze ours, but we've got a few un-frozen bulbs in the root cellar. Just need to find a way to get you a few toes that won't cost 5 bucks to ship. :/ Walt On Oct 6, 2010 2:43 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: That garlic must be in great demand! I once purchased a braid of organic garlic from the famous gardener Joe Nestasie in PA - awesome stuff. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: If you want I can ge... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Patina
Flat bed trucker! On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:26 AM, theprofil...@dwx.com theprofil...@dwx.com wrote: my brother looks like Pa Joad after a rough day (gets a haircut every couple years, shaves maybe once a week, greasy overalls, jack-shirts that look like they've been run through a limb chipper) What does he do for a living? System administrator? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garlic
How about bartering for a jar of jalapeno pepper jelly, made with organically grown hot peppers and no unnatural resources? On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: We usually freeze ours, but we've got a few un-frozen bulbs in the root cellar. Just need to find a way to get you a few toes that won't cost 5 bucks to ship. :/ Walt On Oct 6, 2010 2:43 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: That garlic must be in great demand! I once purchased a braid of organic garlic from the famous gardener Joe Nestasie in PA - awesome stuff. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: If you want I can ge... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garlic
Is that stuff grown in el merde del gato? --R On 10/6/2010 4:47 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: How about bartering for a jar of jalapeno pepper jelly, made with organically grown hot peppers and no unnatural resources? On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Walt Zarnochzarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: We usually freeze ours, but we've got a few un-frozen bulbs in the root cellar. Just need to find a way to get you a few toes that won't cost 5 bucks to ship. :/ Walt On Oct 6, 2010 2:43 PM, andrew strasfogelastrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: That garlic must be in great demand! I once purchased a braid of organic garlic from the famous gardener Joe Nestasie in PA - awesome stuff. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Walt Zarnochzarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: If you want I can ge... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Restoration or Patina
Good thing he did not chanllenge you to a drag race. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 1:27 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Restoration or Patina I doubt it, I think he probably still believes the bigger engine wins in all cases... -Curt Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 11:34:47 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Restoration or Patina Message-ID: 4cac9717.9050...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: When I was in high school my great uncle had a KB-5 which I guess was a 2 1/2 ton. A kid I was in school with had access to a brandy new Chevy 4x4 dually 1 ton 454ci that he said could pull anything. I challenged him and showed up with the KB-5 loaded right to the roof with logs due for firewood processing. We chained the two trucks together I put the KB into compound first and let him roll me back about 5 feet before easing the clutch out and dragging the Chevy 10 (tires screeching) feet the t'other way. I asked if he had enough and he bet me $100 I couldn't do it again. I proceeded to drag his little chebby around the school in a cloud of smoke. Granted it was a totally unfair fight but he was dumb enough to continue so I figured he deserved it... Did he eventually get the math lesson? Gravitational attraction x coefficient of friction = pull ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garlic
andrew strasfogel wrote: Wow, what a great link. :)) Any idea which of these folks would sell me some organic garlic cloves to plant in the back 40? How much do you want? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garlic
Not really. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Is that stuff grown in el merde del gato? --R On 10/6/2010 4:47 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: How about bartering for a jar of jalapeno pepper jelly, made with organically grown hot peppers and no unnatural resources? On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Walt Zarnochzarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: We usually freeze ours, but we've got a few un-frozen bulbs in the root cellar. Just need to find a way to get you a few toes that won't cost 5 bucks to ship. :/ Walt On Oct 6, 2010 2:43 PM, andrew strasfogelastrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: That garlic must be in great demand! I once purchased a braid of organic garlic from the famous gardener Joe Nestasie in PA - awesome stuff. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Walt Zarnochzarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: If you want I can ge... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] slobs must work too
What does he do for a living? System administrator?Alex IT Manager, likely. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R-985
And the D-17, which I WISH was in my log book! On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:31 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Those were PW R985s - 9 cylinders each, 450HP, IIRC. Checked it - there were at least four different engines on various versions of the D-18, but I think the R985 was the most popular... Also used on the DeHavilland Beaver and Grumman Goose, both in my logbook. RLE -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Recipes for Pickled hot peppers and pole beans
Most of the Italian resturants I've eaten in think that openinga can of tomaotes and dumping it on pasta constitutes good food. They have never heard of spices, much less fresh anything. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: I think that the mistake most Italian restaurants make is (1) not using fresh ingredients and (2) too many spices. Good olive oil, fresh tomatoes/garlic/basil/parsley, a little salt, maybe a few other minor spices are about all that is needed (fennel - that's the other one I was thinking of). Sometimes onions, very rarely onions and garlic together. Near the Italian apartment I lived in, I could walk one block and find a fresh produce market, small grocery store with deli counter, a butcher, and a pizza place. Sometimes dinner was simply fresh bread, cheese, and a tomato/olive oil/vinegar/onion salad, a little salt on top, and it was far more tasty and satisfying there than the same foods are here (add a glass of red wine to that dinner). Andrew's garden-in-the-city sounds like heaven to me. -Max OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Restoration or Patina
Or me to a spelling contest obviously. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of R A Bennell Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 3:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Restoration or Patina Good thing he did not chanllenge you to a drag race. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 1:27 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Restoration or Patina I doubt it, I think he probably still believes the bigger engine wins in all cases... -Curt Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 11:34:47 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Restoration or Patina Message-ID: 4cac9717.9050...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: When I was in high school my great uncle had a KB-5 which I guess was a 2 1/2 ton. A kid I was in school with had access to a brandy new Chevy 4x4 dually 1 ton 454ci that he said could pull anything. I challenged him and showed up with the KB-5 loaded right to the roof with logs due for firewood processing. We chained the two trucks together I put the KB into compound first and let him roll me back about 5 feet before easing the clutch out and dragging the Chevy 10 (tires screeching) feet the t'other way. I asked if he had enough and he bet me $100 I couldn't do it again. I proceeded to drag his little chebby around the school in a cloud of smoke. Granted it was a totally unfair fight but he was dumb enough to continue so I figured he deserved it... Did he eventually get the math lesson? Gravitational attraction x coefficient of friction = pull ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 'Till we meet again
I'll be disappearing for a while.
We are readying for our retirement relocation {Texas} and some things
just are not fitting on my plate.
Made some great electronic friends here, had a great 300SDL that I
bought from Rusty and drove about 100Kmi. I loved it but I am in no
shape to maintain and old car
Diesel? We're in process of getting a newer P/U to tow our 14k fifth
wheel. I'll still hear clattering.
God Speed to you all
--
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31' Forest River, Cardinal Fiver
Looking for a new truck
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Re: [MBZ] 'Till we meet again
Peter T. Arnold wrote: Diesel? We're in process of getting a newer P/U to tow our 14k fifth wheel. I'll still hear clattering. http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/1988012329.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 'Till we meet again
Peter, congratulations and good luck! Please stay in touch and stay healthy.
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Subject: [MBZ] 'Till we meet again
I'll be disappearing for a while.
We are readying for our retirement relocation {Texas} and some things
just are not fitting on my plate.
Made some great electronic friends here, had a great 300SDL that I
bought from Rusty and drove about 100Kmi. I loved it but I am in no
shape to maintain and old car
Diesel? We're in process of getting a newer P/U to tow our 14k fifth
wheel. I'll still hear clattering.
God Speed to you all
--
Pete Arnold ‹(•¿•)›
31' Forest River, Cardinal Fiver
Looking for a new truck
Member of Escapees
National Camping Travelers, A Masonic Family Camping Club
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Re: [MBZ] restoration or patina
Yes Roger, thats true... a true restoration like you're talking about is another story. But its very rare, arguably impossible, to acheive 100% factory original condition. Show the cars to some oldtimers (people, not cars) who were there and they'll show you something that isn't correct on the car. Jaime On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:56 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Original cars are always worth more, and will increase in value faster as a collector car. An original interior with a bit of wear is worth more than a replacement one. Same with paint, etc. This concept may sound crazy to some who think restored=good. In reality, unrestored=good. Over time, restorations fade and the shortcuts become obvious. An original car, kept well, will always hold value in all markets Well now, wait a minute. Your comments apply only to a very narrow portion of the collector car market and almost always apply to a significant car with verifiable provenance. For example, I saw a barn-find Jag XKE at a Monterey auction some time back that supposedly was either an early factory prototype (or maybe a significant racing history, can't remember which) which looked like it had been out in the woods for decades. Not even cleaned up in any significant way and it sold for an astonishing amount. In the last few years, the idea of unmolested patina has interested a certain segment of buyers but it only applies to cars with an important and verifiable history. Something raced by Juan Fangio or a LeMans winner etc. It certainly does not apply to an ordinary production car that one might expect to actually drive someplace. I'm also not referring to what's been offered at Barrett-Jackson of late, either. I claim some hands-on knowledge here, having spent nearly fifteen years of my life working with my friend SJB restoring three significant collector cars to factory original 100% correct condition. His money, our time and I enjoyed it immensely. I'm thinking your definition of restored vs mine differs a bit. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] restoration or patina
In a proper 100 point restoration, they will duplicate everything, including the flaws during manufacture like over spray, and orange peel. A stock standard Mustang came with something like 12 different shades of black on various parts, as the parts were painted at different times by different suppliers. All that is replicated in a 100 point restoration. But as they say, you can restore a car as many times as you like, but it's only original once. As with each passing year, those originals left, whatever they are, become fewer and fewer, hence the value due to rarity. I've also noticed, different countries have a different approach to restoration, and place different values on patina vs. restored. I feel in the US, the preference for whatever reason still leans towards restored, unless it's something very unique. Even then, I think the tendency is to freshen up an original car, while keeping it factory correct. In general, I think the preference in the UK, and perhaps other places in Europe, is to keep an original car, original, and only do what's required to keep it mechanically sound. Just my observations. Ed 300E 911SC, which I still have the original tires for, although they're now in storage. On 6 October 2010 19:09, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Yes Roger, thats true... a true restoration like you're talking about is another story. But its very rare, arguably impossible, to acheive 100% factory original condition. Show the cars to some oldtimers (people, not cars) who were there and they'll show you something that isn't correct on the car. Jaime On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:56 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Original cars are always worth more, and will increase in value faster as a collector car. An original interior with a bit of wear is worth more than a replacement one. Same with paint, etc. This concept may sound crazy to some who think restored=good. In reality, unrestored=good. Over time, restorations fade and the shortcuts become obvious. An original car, kept well, will always hold value in all markets Well now, wait a minute. Your comments apply only to a very narrow portion of the collector car market and almost always apply to a significant car with verifiable provenance. For example, I saw a barn-find Jag XKE at a Monterey auction some time back that supposedly was either an early factory prototype (or maybe a significant racing history, can't remember which) which looked like it had been out in the woods for decades. Not even cleaned up in any significant way and it sold for an astonishing amount. In the last few years, the idea of unmolested patina has interested a certain segment of buyers but it only applies to cars with an important and verifiable history. Something raced by Juan Fangio or a LeMans winner etc. It certainly does not apply to an ordinary production car that one might expect to actually drive someplace. I'm also not referring to what's been offered at Barrett-Jackson of late, either. I claim some hands-on knowledge here, having spent nearly fifteen years of my life working with my friend SJB restoring three significant collector cars to factory original 100% correct condition. His money, our time and I enjoyed it immensely. I'm thinking your definition of restored vs mine differs a bit. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 'Till we meet again
Take care Peter, and all the best for your retirement in Texas! Pop in to
Starbucks on a regular bases, as they have Wifi. ;-) Be sure to keep in
touch with us all, never know when that next must have Benz will pop up. :-)
Take care, and all the best,
Ed
300E
On 6 October 2010 18:46, Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net wrote:
I'll be disappearing for a while.
We are readying for our retirement relocation {Texas} and some things just
are not fitting on my plate.
Made some great electronic friends here, had a great 300SDL that I bought
from Rusty and drove about 100Kmi. I loved it but I am in no shape to
maintain and old car
Diesel? We're in process of getting a newer P/U to tow our 14k fifth wheel.
I'll still hear clattering.
God Speed to you all
--
Pete Arnold ‹(•¿•)›
31' Forest River, Cardinal Fiver
Looking for a new truck
Member of Escapees
National Camping Travelers, A Masonic Family Camping Club
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Re: [MBZ] garlic in Gilroy
Driving through Gilroy on the Interstate is always a pleasure because of the garlic odors wafting across the highway from the big plant at the south end of town. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] round sounds
...And the D-17, which I WISH was in my log book!.. Well, yes, and the sound of idling radials, the more the better, eclipses the vacuum cleaner sounds turbines make. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Sad MB Day
I lost my first MB - '74 240D, the only one selected, approved, negotiated (if cashier's check for asking = negotiate :), and nominally owned by SWMBO - today to the Kidney Foundation, and, no doubt, the crusher. I knew it was going to happen - actually thought it was going to happen yesterday - but there was still a shock and sadness that passed through my chest when I rolled up to see the tracks in the mud, and the big gap in the driveway. I thought I had braced myself for its absence long ago; all the good stuff was pulled, only the shell was left; but still it's like my poor little pup, after such a short life, has gone off to be senselessly crushed by some kind of maniacal robot. Some cars I don't miss, like the Volvo, or the other Volvo, but this one was different - slowly wending past our defenses, it had rolled its way into our hearts. The skids make me think it knew what was coming - perhaps it felt like if it could get a grip on that wet clay it would have a chance. But the rugged, raw, frustratingly unavailable horsepower of the OM616 was insufficient to overcome the diesel-spitting winch, and so it is that our dearly departed has followed in the way of its forebears, borne without malice but fully in justice to its final place in perdition. May its final roads be paved solidly and smoothly with only the best of intentions! Fortunately the '77 was at work with me, but the '87 was in the street and facing the whole thing; I will have to schedule some cleaning time to get the image out of its headlights. Such things are always hardest on the survivors, or at least they seem to be the only ones who complain. Pictures before scuttling. Unfortunately I never took any interior shots, but then a fair amount of the interior stayed behind... http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=16324id=1062656089l=8589f8d3a1 -Tim wearing black (pants at least) tomorrow ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Recipes for Pickled hot peppers and pole beans
andrew wrote: Gilroy, CA - the garlic capital of the world. It was several years ago that I heard a story about Gilroy. They import all their garlic from communist china. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Recipes for Pickled hot peppers and pole beans
They sure didn't 30 years ago when I was there during garlic harvest season! Heaps of garlic drying in the fields for mile after mile! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] round sounds
Also the putt-putt sounds the 4 cyl. opposed engines make. Amen to the round engines. A friend of a friend owns a new Waco (reproduction?) with an R755 - 275hp I believe - I need wrangle a ride one of these days. Don't they say that real airplanes have round engines, just like real radios glow in the dark? On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...And the D-17, which I WISH was in my log book!.. Well, yes, and the sound of idling radials, the more the better, eclipses the vacuum cleaner sounds turbines make. RLE -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sad MB Day
Does this make you feel better? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rv2-DYgzcY ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] garlic in the Lowcountry
All this garlic talk got me thinking about supper earlier, so I went to the store and got some fresh local shrimp and linguine, and hit the farm stand across the road for some veggies and got some fresh corn. Had to go back to the store for some white wine (I thought I had some but it appears it was consumed) and parsley and a baguette for garlic bread, and I made this http://allrecipes.com//Recipe/garlic-shrimp-linguine/Detail.aspx Casa Lapostale Chardonnay went well with it, while also making the sauce! It was extremely YUMMY and quite simple. --R On 10/6/2010 7:33 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: Driving through Gilroy on the Interstate is always a pleasure because of the garlic odors wafting across the highway from the big plant at the south end of town. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Query re: Clogged AC condensate drain(s) on W123 300CD
go through any rainstorms I am assuming that the AC condensate exit(s) must be blocked. Where are thse drains, and how do I de-clog it/them? They exit over the tranny, one can poke them out from below using stiff wire, etc. I believe they are formed rubber drains that exit from hard plastic nipples on the heater box, so if the rubber is deteriorating they can leak there. The heater box itself may be more than one piece, and have a leaking gasket strip. You might have to plan to take a really good look, or run some water in and see where it comes out wrong. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] resto
...Yes Roger, thats true... a true restoration like you're talking about is another story. But its very rare, arguably impossible, to acheive 100% factory original condition. Show the cars to some oldtimers (people, not cars) who were there and they'll show you something that isn't correct on the car... But, there have been plenty of examples of neglected cars stored away for years that can't be freshened but would have significant value if restored which means correctly because if in for a penny etc ever meant anything, this is the example. Corner cutting never pays off because a small economy can ruin the whole project and eyes will be drawn to it every time to the detriment of the rest of the car. But spending the money to do something like this had better be worth it in the end because eventually the car must be sold so that another one can be started. After all, a lot of the fun is in the work and being able to step back and admire it. There are only so many trophies to win which gets old after while and if it's a historic racer and used as such, the expense goes on and the danger of damage is always there. My friend CHB has decided to stop racing his Bugatti 35 because it's become too valuable and repairing anything on it is damned costly. And it's not a restored car but just maintained nicely but when you are running an 82 year old car and the fuel tank develops pinhole leaks, sealing them up invisibly is a project. The ability to restore to original depends on the knowledge base which is g oing to be from the enthusiast base. Some, like Porsche, are vast worldwide and experts abound, often in disagreement about what's original but the data is out there. You just have to know where and there is a national network of experts. But, Porsche is unique in this. If you want to know all about a certain 917 knowing the serial number, that info is available because records are kept. For example, when we were restoring the 904 GTS, the correct interior splatter paint finish had to be verified and just how much overspray was on the belly and where it was heavier. Where the wire runs were fastened and with what fasteners. The correct color of the anodizing on all the nuts, bolts and washers. The correct orange for the Koni shocks. Etc. And being a former Corvette owner and knowing or caring little about them now, I do know that at National Corvette events, their judging standards and knowledge of what's right or not may have passed PCA's rules. You certainly have to be a member of the Heavy Wallet Club these days to be a winner. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more resto
...But as they say, you can restore a car as many times as you like, but it's only original once. As with each passing year, those originals left, whatever they are, become fewer and fewer, hence the value due to rarity... Very true but there are very few of those, far as I can see. My car has been cared for compulsively since day zero and even though it was a track car for fifteen years, it is now my Concours car and is a consistent class winner but will never be worth much or ever be a collecter car because there were too many built even though most have been run into the ground, plus it's not a 911. And it's having it's 26th birthday next week. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chinese?
...It was several years ago that I heard a story about Gilroy. They import all their garlic from communist china... Admit it. You have been reading your copy of the Chinese Daily Worker, right? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
