Re: [MBZ] torpedo heaters
You might have issue trading them at an automated AmeriGas joint; the AG tanks are smaller (and shorter) than other tanks; I know that a Blue Rhino tank will not fit in the cell that an AG tank comes out of... I'm sure the old tanks are at least as big as the Blue Rhino ones. But then that is probably all related to the incredible shrinking half-gallon of ice cream... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 4, 2011, at 20:25, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: So trade it in on a new filled one. That's what I did with all of mine a long time ago when they first changed all that. They take them and put a new valve on it, clean and paint and use them again. Manfred Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 19:29:17 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] torpedo heaters Message-ID: m1tyhppl42@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: Do you have a tractor supply store nearby? They have a bulk tank and will fill your bbq tank or whatever you have. Any propane suppliers around? They will do it too, just charge by the pound. I was swapping my tank at Lowes for like $17, but now that I discovered TS no more on that. Also if your tanks are old and don't have the government mandated safety valve you can't get them refilled. I still have one tank like that. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 603 timing chain
Hey everybody! I picked up a another W124 603, this time a 87 WAGON!! oh boy. I need to replace the timing chain (its stretched pretty bad) So I have never done one before and was hoping a New England member would love to come on over my house (Carriage house, heated) and give me a hand?? I have plenty of tools, and beer, and food. Also I can do VW diesel belts (ALH engine especially). So I think I can handle the chain. So let me know if your around and want to help/watch/drink beer and laugh at me ! Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yokohama tires was: I just discovered something about the '94 E420 ...
Fmiser wrote: OK Don wrote: A narrower tire has less air resistance at speed - not insignificant in fuel economy. Rolling resistance - yes. _Air_ resistance? I'm not so sure. It's spinning, it's in a fender, a wider tire does not contribute to a larger frontal Coefficient of rolling resistance (resistance / load) is not necessarily a function of width, nor is contact area a function of width. Contact area is pretty much (load / tire pressure). Frontal area for wind resistance is a function of tire width, as is air friction inside the fender from the spinning tire. M. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] torpedo heaters
A 20# tank at an exchange place only has ~ 15# in it, ostensibly for safety reasons, even though the tanks are MADE to hold 20#(with some extra room), and the OPD's are set to 20#... And to top it all they charge you more for the lesser amount because of convenience. Walt On Jan 5, 2011 7:00 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Time to get out the prom burner and remove the limit! Walt On Jan 4, 2011 11:54 PM, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Well, my discovery was found hidden in the 900 page owners manual which may take me the rest of my life to finish reading it. Boring I know and sure not like the good ole days! John On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:45 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Wonderful car, even if you can only manage 130mph in it. I won't ask how you just learned it will only do 130mph. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 4 January 2011 21:37, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I just learned that my new to me 07 S550 is governed at 130 MPH. My 86 190 2.6 would do batter than that! John On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:16 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...I've read that originally, the W140 was intended to have higher levels of performance, but after lots of complains about tire wear (mostly from the US market), they kind of dumbed down the performance, to give better tire life... That's about it. In 1992 the 140 came with at least V-rated tires and they were included in the 50K mile warranty. MB soon found out that they were replacing them at least twice during warranty which was not in their plans. This may have been related to the 1992 front suspension problems but that's just a guess. So, the next year they used H-rated tires (longer life, cheaper and not covered by MB warranty) and governed the cars to 130mph which is why we have H-rated tires and 130mph governors today. Except on certain models. My C300 could manage about 150mph eventually but at 130mph the car just stops accelerating. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 / OM617 questions
Okay correction, the '80 300SD I drove had a side cut security key exactly like my 201s have had... -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 21:20:09 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 / OM617 questions Message-ID: 4d23d559.90...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: 116 surprised me by having a side cut security key like a 201... My 116 doesn't, but the ignition cylinder has been replaced. The one Autohaus is selling for 201/124 looks like my '92 300d, not side cut like my '86/'87 W201s. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] schooling
And not everybody needs that level of education, we do still need garbage collectors and the like. Aldus Huxley was right on that point... -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 20:30:33 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] schooling Message-ID: aanlktik7yk-sfrgfye2xaepebtoepv9eaqahhm6-4...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 And resources - who's the tutor? On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: Provide them with some eductaion, as opposed to being tutored by their parents - I have no issue with tutoring, I just don't see it as an alternative to mass schooling. The world's best and brightest have all been tutored. It becomes a matter of objective - expensive, or best. mao-- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Yeahbut, who cares? Where you gonna drive that fast other than track days? Isn't big top speed just another compensation for other inadequacies? -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 18:37:39 -0800 From: John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors Message-ID: aanlktin19iy5rwqtzwoe_xarqdfqb1n3iwp3u41fh...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah, I just learned that my new to me 07 S550 is governed at 130 MPH. My 86 190 2.6 would do batter than that! John On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:16 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...I've read that originally, the W140 was intended to have higher levels of performance, but after lots of complains about tire wear (mostly from the US market), they kind of dumbed down the performance, to give better tire life... That's about it. In 1992 the 140 came with at least V-rated tires and they were included in the 50K mile warranty. MB soon found out that they were replacing them at least twice during warranty which was not in their plans. This may have been related to the 1992 front suspension problems but that's just a guess. So, the next year they used H-rated tires (longer life, cheaper and not covered by MB warranty) and governed the cars to 130mph which is why we have H-rated tires and 130mph governors today. Except on certain models. My C300 could manage about 150mph eventually but at 130mph the car just stops accelerating. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 / OM617 questions
Thanks Philip! On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Trunk lock: have to shake a bit to get the key in when A new tumbler setup to use a matching key is about $100, so it's worth being sure it really needs that. Key is aftermarket, so I should go that route first anyway. I believe it is copper. As it has warmed up a few degrees it is a lot easier to get the key in, so maybe it is just water. Hopefully the WD40 will work its way through, maybe I'll get a spare trunk lock just in case since it seems they are cheap if you don't care about matching [which I do but not $80 :]. Thanks for the pointers. The rubber caps for the top of the caliper bleed screws are often missing or old crumbly. About $2 each, part number 000-421-08-87 Thanks, working up Rusty order now. :) 7) Car crunches (metal-on-rotating-metal) in rear when turning Axle shafts? I'm not coming up with any good explanations for why you get such a noise only when turning. The only noise aft that changes with turning I have experienced is from half-shafts - but that doesn't match your description very well. Originally I thought it was the rim rubbing on the side of the wall, but the tire guys haven't mentioned any such thing, and they seem to maintain balance well enough. Definitely related to the speed of the turning wheel. Hopefully I will see something obvious when I do the shocks, anyway. 8) Alignment: tire shop says I need one, but I gather it's I do it myself. I bought a caster/camber gauge years ago. I use a laser level to do the toe-in. I've now done the process three times. Each was successful - the last being the best, fastest - of course. Interesting, I've never heard of anyone DIY (well, DIT :). Do you recall how long it took you the first time? Not the fabrication just the actual alignment part. I did a write-up on the toe-in process. http://www.host-a.net/u/fmiser/w123-toein-alignment_howto_print.pdf or http://www.host-a.net/u/fmiser/w123-toein-alignment_howto_screen.pdf Looks very clear, thank you! -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yokohama tires was: I just discovered something about the '94 E420 ...
I had to think about that one too but it makes sense, the tire does stick down below the car. I suspect as a measure of overall wind resistance we're talking a small number... -Curt Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 01:39:39 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yokohama tires was: I just discovered something about the '94 E420 ... Message-ID: 20110105013939.b5b3071d.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII OK Don wrote: A narrower tire has less air resistance at speed - not insignificant in fuel economy. Rolling resistance - yes. _Air_ resistance? I'm not so sure. It's spinning, it's in a fender, a wider tire does not contribute to a larger frontal area. Are you sure? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Not before updating those tires first. ;-) Several of the German manufactures had a gentleman's agreement (in the past) to cap their cars at 155, more or less to keep the Greenies off their backs. I suspect the current caps at 130 are to address mechanical limitations. You know, find the weakest link in the chain, and put the cap there. There is a delete option on some AMG models, that removes, or adjusts the limiter. Not sure if it's offered on North American models, but I think it moves the cap from 155, up to 187 or something?? Anyone know the details? It's only available on the AMG models, as they have addressed most of the limitations with their modifications. Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 09:46, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: Time to get out the prom burner and remove the limit! Walt On Jan 4, 2011 11:54 PM, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Well, my discovery was found hidden in the 900 page owners manual which may take me the rest of my life to finish reading it. Boring I know and sure not like the good ole days! John On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:45 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Wonderful car, even if you can only manage 130mph in it. I won't ask how you just learned it will only do 130mph. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 4 January 2011 21:37, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I just learned that my new to me 07 S550 is governed at 130 MPH. My 86 190 2.6 would do batter than that! John On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:16 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...I've read that originally, the W140 was intended to have higher levels of performance, but after lots of complains about tire wear (mostly from the US market), they kind of dumbed down the performance, to give better tire life... That's about it. In 1992 the 140 came with at least V-rated tires and they were included in the 50K mile warranty. MB soon found out that they were replacing them at least twice during warranty which was not in their plans. This may have been related to the 1992 front suspension problems but that's just a guess. So, the next year they used H-rated tires (longer life, cheaper and not covered by MB warranty) and governed the cars to 130mph which is why we have H-rated tires and 130mph governors today. Except on certain models. My C300 could manage about 150mph eventually but at 130mph the car just stops accelerating. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Even without the limiters, you're never going to see the top speed of a car on a track, the straights just aren't long enough. Well, unless you're driving down the old Mulsanne straight at Le Mans, before they put the girlie kink in the middle to slow people down, a little. hee hee Even on really fast cars, you need a long straight bit of road to squeeze out those last mph. Even with big HP cars, you know what they say about the power requirements going up exponentially in regards to top speed. If 600 HP will get you to 200 mph, if you want to go another 20 mph on top of that, you need to add 200+ more HP. The air becomes your enemy, and the balance between punching through it, and keeping the car on the road at the same time, is paid for with lots of HP! hee hee As to your last sentence Curt, I hear that often. It causes me more than a little concern as I really like fast cars with lots of HP!!! ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 09:56, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeahbut, who cares? Where you gonna drive that fast other than track days? Isn't big top speed just another compensation for other inadequacies? -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 18:37:39 -0800 From: John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors Message-ID: aanlktin19iy5rwqtzwoe_xarqdfqb1n3iwp3u41fh...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah, I just learned that my new to me 07 S550 is governed at 130 MPH. My 86 190 2.6 would do batter than that! John On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:16 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...I've read that originally, the W140 was intended to have higher levels of performance, but after lots of complains about tire wear (mostly from the US market), they kind of dumbed down the performance, to give better tire life... That's about it. In 1992 the 140 came with at least V-rated tires and they were included in the 50K mile warranty. MB soon found out that they were replacing them at least twice during warranty which was not in their plans. This may have been related to the 1992 front suspension problems but that's just a guess. So, the next year they used H-rated tires (longer life, cheaper and not covered by MB warranty) and governed the cars to 130mph which is why we have H-rated tires and 130mph governors today. Except on certain models. My C300 could manage about 150mph eventually but at 130mph the car just stops accelerating. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Hello again and 95 E320 Check engine light
Hello listers! I have been occasionally reading the digests, just haven't had any time to add my two cents. At any rate, I have a question. The Check Engine light came on my 1995 E320. It has just less than 100K miles. I noticed yesterday that it felt just a little rough running. But, it cleared up. Then, later in the day, it seemed to hesitate as I pulled away from a stop light. It is running fine this morning, but the CEL is still on. So, two questions: Can I check the codes without a code reader? (is there some sort of procedure besides a code reader/scanner) What is typically wrong with these? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Cheap 6.9 on CL
Given its location, this car is probably rust free. No interest etc. http://fresno.craigslist.org/cto/2122943093.html 1978 Mercedes Benz 6.9L (450SEL) one of 437 US versions made.All original.copper color 4door sedan170,745miles.Last tagged in 2006.lp#5HXY707.VIN#11603612005364.now for the real dirt.car is in fair shape outside and in.It needs a new fuel pump and some exhaust work nothing to major.It also could use a new battery.Never the less this car runs and boy does it get up and go.Owner is a 65 year old lady that just wants it gone.Her and i have both checked the going prices and we feel this is and extremely fair deal and very low price for such a custom classic Mercedes Benz. my name is David and i can be reached at 559-255-8185. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 timing chain
Hi Brian, Sounds like fun, where you at? I'm not sure I could be any help, I've never changed the timing chain in anything... -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 22:59:26 -0500 From: brian costello btc...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 603 timing chain Message-ID: aanlkti=k-3ajb7yp1ow-cbj=dcwu0dmhzlfaoy-cm...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey everybody! I picked up a another W124 603, this time a 87 WAGON!! oh boy. I need to replace the timing chain (its stretched pretty bad) So I have never done one before and was hoping a New England member would love to come on over my house (Carriage house, heated) and give me a hand?? I have plenty of tools, and beer, and food. Also I can do VW diesel belts (ALH engine especially). So I think I can handle the chain. So let me know if your around and want to help/watch/drink beer and laugh at me ! Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cheap 6.9 on CL
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:20 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: Given its location, this car is probably rust free. No interest etc. http://fresno.craigslist.org/cto/2122943093.html Ah, another W116 in the best color combination, root beer over saddle (or is that tobacco)? If it doesn't have any major rust and the hydro suspension works that's a great deal. Worst case, you could part it out for more than you paid---probably get $500 for each strut, $50 for each pressure sphere, and $1K+ for each of the two level control valves. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
LOL, they were talking mini-vans on the radio this morning and I was struck by the number of people who need a mini-van for their one or two kids. My friend Devin has 4 crumb grabbers, he NEEDS a mini-van (and has one). Seems like with 2 kids most folks need a large sedan, maybe not even a large sedan while the kids are small. Our world has gone crazy, nobody knows the difference between need and want anymore... -Curt Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:39:50 -0500 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors Message-ID: aanlktinkl8srqe4zx0j9olybsjlqza9g_wyjlxos7...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Even without the limiters, you're never going to see the top speed of a car on a track, the straights just aren't long enough. Well, unless you're driving down the old Mulsanne straight at Le Mans, before they put the girlie kink in the middle to slow people down, a little. hee hee Even on really fast cars, you need a long straight bit of road to squeeze out those last mph. Even with big HP cars, you know what they say about the power requirements going up exponentially in regards to top speed. If 600 HP will get you to 200 mph, if you want to go another 20 mph on top of that, you need to add 200+ more HP. The air becomes your enemy, and the balance between punching through it, and keeping the car on the road at the same time, is paid for with lots of HP! hee hee As to your last sentence Curt, I hear that often. It causes me more than a little concern as I really like fast cars with lots of HP!!! ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 09:56, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeahbut, who cares? Where you gonna drive that fast other than track days? Isn't big top speed just another compensation for other inadequacies? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Mini-vans are just the station wagons of today. Very practical for families and less expensive than SUV's which are of course, similar in size and capacity. Sedans just are not as big as they used to be. A Honda Accord is now considered a family car. I am only 5'8 and about 200# and I have a hard time getting into my wife's Accord. The roof lines on modern cars are so low and sloped to benefit the aerodynamics that they are not easy to enter. A van will normally be much easier to get in and out of - that is one reason why we see so many elderly folks driving them. They also sit higher so there is better visibility. Take the seats out or fold them flat if you have one of the newer stowe and go setups and you can haul more than the thing is designed to carry. My neighbor used to load his poor old van up with yard waste etc and haul to the local dump. I was amazed at what he piled inside it. Travel with your family and you have space for the kids in the back as well as the luggage and the cooler etc. Very practical in many ways. I have tried my best at times to convince my wife that she would like one as I think it would be useful but she has declined. I don't want to drive it so we don't have one. If I could justify having another vehicle around, I would cheerfully have a Honda van. Randy On 05/01/2011 10:27 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: LOL, they were talking mini-vans on the radio this morning and I was struck by the number of people who need a mini-van for their one or two kids. My friend Devin has 4 crumb grabbers, he NEEDS a mini-van (and has one). Seems like with 2 kids most folks need a large sedan, maybe not even a large sedan while the kids are small. Our world has gone crazy, nobody knows the difference between need and want anymore... -Curt Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:39:50 -0500 From: E Mpokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors Message-ID: aanlktinkl8srqe4zx0j9olybsjlqza9g_wyjlxos7...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Even without the limiters, you're never going to see the top speed of a car on a track, the straights just aren't long enough. Well, unless you're driving down the old Mulsanne straight at Le Mans, before they put the girlie kink in the middle to slow people down, a little. hee hee Even on really fast cars, you need a long straight bit of road to squeeze out those last mph. Even with big HP cars, you know what they say about the power requirements going up exponentially in regards to top speed. If 600 HP will get you to 200 mph, if you want to go another 20 mph on top of that, you need to add 200+ more HP. The air becomes your enemy, and the balance between punching through it, and keeping the car on the road at the same time, is paid for with lots of HP! hee hee As to your last sentence Curt, I hear that often. It causes me more than a little concern as I really like fast cars with lots of HP!!! ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 09:56, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeahbut, who cares? Where you gonna drive that fast other than track days? Isn't big top speed just another compensation for other inadequacies? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
The S class, even with the smaller V8 available in Europe, or with the diesel, hits about 240km/h pretty easily. I've experienced them on the autobahn... the power and acceleration is quite remarkable. Even the A class can do 200km/h if you give a bit of time... kinda like a 240D getting upto 85mph. Jaime On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:32 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Not before updating those tires first. ;-) Several of the German manufactures had a gentleman's agreement (in the past) to cap their cars at 155, more or less to keep the Greenies off their backs. I suspect the current caps at 130 are to address mechanical limitations. You know, find the weakest link in the chain, and put the cap there. There is a delete option on some AMG models, that removes, or adjusts the limiter. Not sure if it's offered on North American models, but I think it moves the cap from 155, up to 187 or something?? Anyone know the details? It's only available on the AMG models, as they have addressed most of the limitations with their modifications. Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 09:46, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: Time to get out the prom burner and remove the limit! Walt On Jan 4, 2011 11:54 PM, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Well, my discovery was found hidden in the 900 page owners manual which may take me the rest of my life to finish reading it. Boring I know and sure not like the good ole days! John On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:45 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Wonderful car, even if you can only manage 130mph in it. I won't ask how you just learned it will only do 130mph. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 4 January 2011 21:37, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I just learned that my new to me 07 S550 is governed at 130 MPH. My 86 190 2.6 would do batter than that! John On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:16 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...I've read that originally, the W140 was intended to have higher levels of performance, but after lots of complains about tire wear (mostly from the US market), they kind of dumbed down the performance, to give better tire life... That's about it. In 1992 the 140 came with at least V-rated tires and they were included in the 50K mile warranty. MB soon found out that they were replacing them at least twice during warranty which was not in their plans. This may have been related to the 1992 front suspension problems but that's just a guess. So, the next year they used H-rated tires (longer life, cheaper and not covered by MB warranty) and governed the cars to 130mph which is why we have H-rated tires and 130mph governors today. Except on certain models. My C300 could manage about 150mph eventually but at 130mph the car just stops accelerating. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hello again and 95 E320 Check engine light
Did you get some bad gas(oline)? --R On 1/5/2011 11:09 AM, Donald Snook wrote: Hello listers! I have been occasionally reading the digests, just haven't had any time to add my two cents. At any rate, I have a question. The Check Engine light came on my 1995 E320. It has just less than 100K miles. I noticed yesterday that it felt just a little rough running. But, it cleared up. Then, later in the day, it seemed to hesitate as I pulled away from a stop light. It is running fine this morning, but the CEL is still on. So, two questions: Can I check the codes without a code reader? (is there some sort of procedure besides a code reader/scanner) What is typically wrong with these? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1980 300 SD vac lines again!
Well, I'm ashamed that after all the help you guys offered to try and resolve our vac issues that we are once again heating our car with the defroster fan this winter We tried various changes on the lines coming out of the firewall into the engine compartment. You may or may not recall, when we bought our car, it had several vac lines to the right of the brake unit just dangling and connected to NOTHING. We just don't know what all was changed or bypassed and why! Still would like to see pics of correct connections. I know there is an issue with the holding vac on the door locks. They lock fine but bleed off at various rates. Sometimes they won't all lock, but can be pushed down and will hold for awhile. Anyone out there still have a car like ours? I study the diagrams and seem to get more confused. Think we need a mighty-vac from the sound of things, also? Is it best to just change to new check valves or is there a way to test and see if they are good. They may even be installed backwards for all we know Guess it will be spring someday and then we will be worried about the AC that also doesn't work. And even though it hasn't started for 10 days cause its too cold, we Love our car! Still not sure if that block heater is there, but we are going to check it out soon. We have a great old 72 ford bronco that gets us where we want to go in this weather! Thanks again everyone, Chris in NW Wyoming Found some perfect match vinyl and working on new upholstery, when I can fight off the urge to hibernate! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] You know you want this at kaleb prices!
Hello Benzamino!!! http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/pts/2145042179.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] You know you want this at kaleb prices!
Rolf wrote: Hello Benzamino!!! http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/pts/2145042179.html I've seen a W116 like that, and a W116 with a pickup camper stuffed in it, but that's the first time I've seen it done with a W126. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] You know you want this at kaleb prices!
IF THIS CAR IS NOT SOLD BY FREEDAY MORNING I WILL PULL PARTS AND TAKE IT TO CRASHER Better get there on Thirsty if you want it IT IS VERY TIGHT CAR Except half the body has been cut off. INTERIOR IS STRIPED . What option was that? --R On 1/5/2011 1:24 PM, Rolf wrote: Hello Benzamino!!! http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/pts/2145042179.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cheap 6.9 on CL
Not a lot of money at all for what it is. And it looks like it's in decent shape. But oh boy, with 170,000 on the clock, it could cost some serious money to put this beast right! Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 11:20, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.cawrote: Given its location, this car is probably rust free. No interest etc. http://fresno.craigslist.org/cto/2122943093.html 1978 Mercedes Benz 6.9L (450SEL) one of 437 US versions made.All original.copper color 4door sedan170,745miles.Last tagged in 2006.lp#5HXY707.VIN#11603612005364.now for the real dirt.car is in fair shape outside and in.It needs a new fuel pump and some exhaust work nothing to major.It also could use a new battery.Never the less this car runs and boy does it get up and go.Owner is a 65 year old lady that just wants it gone.Her and i have both checked the going prices and we feel this is and extremely fair deal and very low price for such a custom classic Mercedes Benz. my name is David and i can be reached at 559-255-8185. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] You know you want this at kaleb prices!
It would be fun to see one of these projects finished properly. There was a guy in Germany, do did a 6 wheel pickup truck conversion on an old Porsche 928. Looks like he did it right, along with proper TUV certification which he said took forever and cost the moon. When all done, he said in reality, the back was of little more use than to be used to haul a case of beer home, but still, what a cool looking car. Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 13:24, Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: Hello Benzamino!!! http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/pts/2145042179.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] You know you want this at kaleb prices!
On 5 January 2011 13:39, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.netwrote: I think that was the go fast track car option. hee hee Ed 300E INTERIOR IS STRIPED . What option was that? --R On 1/5/2011 1:24 PM, Rolf wrote: Hello Benzamino!!! http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/pts/2145042179.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
The Accord of today is a MONSTER compared to the Accord of yesteryear, the Civic is now bigger than the old Accord. I'm not saying minvans aren't useful I'm saying for most people driving a big vehicle to go to work isn't as practical as they think it is. All they see is the space for when I need it not the massive amount of fuel it eats every single time you drive anywhere, empty or loaded. Strangely the older I get the smaller a car I want. I'm digging commuting in a 190D again. When the Fiat 500 finally hits our shores I'm at least going to try one. Its the same with horsepower I was reading Automobile this morning (I get it free) and they called 180HP anemic. -Curt Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:42:07 -0600 From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors Message-ID: 4d249f5f.8070...@mts.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mini-vans are just the station wagons of today. Very practical for families and less expensive than SUV's which are of course, similar in size and capacity. Sedans just are not as big as they used to be. A Honda Accord is now considered a family car. I am only 5'8 and about 200# and I have a hard time getting into my wife's Accord. The roof lines on modern cars are so low and sloped to benefit the aerodynamics that they are not easy to enter. A van will normally be much easier to get in and out of - that is one reason why we see so many elderly folks driving them. They also sit higher so there is better visibility. Take the seats out or fold them flat if you have one of the newer stowe and go setups and you can haul more than the thing is designed to carry. My neighbor used to load his poor old van up with yard waste etc and haul to the local dump. I was amazed at what he piled inside it. Travel with your family and you have space for the kids in the back as well as the luggage and the cooler etc. Very practical in many ways. I have tried my best at times to convince my wife that she would like one as I think it would be useful but she has declined. I don't want to drive it so we don't have one. If I could justify having another vehicle around, I would cheerfully have a Honda van. Randy On 05/01/2011 10:27 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: LOL, they were talking mini-vans on the radio this morning and I was struck by the number of people who need a mini-van for their one or two kids. My friend Devin has 4 crumb grabbers, he NEEDS a mini-van (and has one). Seems like with 2 kids most folks need a large sedan, maybe not even a large sedan while the kids are small. Our world has gone crazy, nobody knows the difference between need and want anymore... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Yeah, a lot of them aren't too bad. I saw 230-240 kph once in a Porsche Twin Turbo Cayenne on the track. Doesn't sound that fast, but given the length of the track, the trucks weight, and that it had to scrub off all that speed for a corner, was pretty impressive. When I was over touring around the North of Italy, I logged lots of kms on the Autostrada at 180kph+, in a little 4 banger with only 2.0L. Had it loaded down with luggage and two people in the back too. It had long legs for what it was, but even driving it as I did, it returned amazing fuel economy. It was the most fun I've ever had in a car on public roads. Not just the Autostrada, but driving up in the Alps too. The fastest indicated speed I ever saw in a diesel, was 95mph in an old 300D. We had a good tailwind, and a long run of road, and all the stars and planets were aligned. hee hee. It felt like breaking the sound barrier in C17 at 20 feet off the ground ;-) Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 11:42, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: The S class, even with the smaller V8 available in Europe, or with the diesel, hits about 240km/h pretty easily. I've experienced them on the autobahn... the power and acceleration is quite remarkable. Even the A class can do 200km/h if you give a bit of time... kinda like a 240D getting upto 85mph. Jaime On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:32 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Not before updating those tires first. ;-) Several of the German manufactures had a gentleman's agreement (in the past) to cap their cars at 155, more or less to keep the Greenies off their backs. I suspect the current caps at 130 are to address mechanical limitations. You know, find the weakest link in the chain, and put the cap there. There is a delete option on some AMG models, that removes, or adjusts the limiter. Not sure if it's offered on North American models, but I think it moves the cap from 155, up to 187 or something?? Anyone know the details? It's only available on the AMG models, as they have addressed most of the limitations with their modifications. Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 09:46, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: Time to get out the prom burner and remove the limit! Walt On Jan 4, 2011 11:54 PM, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Well, my discovery was found hidden in the 900 page owners manual which may take me the rest of my life to finish reading it. Boring I know and sure not like the good ole days! John On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:45 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Wonderful car, even if you can only manage 130mph in it. I won't ask how you just learned it will only do 130mph. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 4 January 2011 21:37, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I just learned that my new to me 07 S550 is governed at 130 MPH. My 86 190 2.6 would do batter than that! John On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:16 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...I've read that originally, the W140 was intended to have higher levels of performance, but after lots of complains about tire wear (mostly from the US market), they kind of dumbed down the performance, to give better tire life... That's about it. In 1992 the 140 came with at least V-rated tires and they were included in the 50K mile warranty. MB soon found out that they were replacing them at least twice during warranty which was not in their plans. This may have been related to the 1992 front suspension problems but that's just a guess. So, the next year they used H-rated tires (longer life, cheaper and not covered by MB warranty) and governed the cars to 130mph which is why we have H-rated tires and 130mph governors today. Except on certain models. My C300 could manage about 150mph eventually but at 130mph the car just stops accelerating. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: The Accord of today is a MONSTER compared to the Accord of yesteryear, the Civic is now bigger than the old Accord. New Prius is bigger. My in-laws have the old version, and weren't able to put 2 infant seats in at the same time - can't put the front seats up enough to clear, so you have to use the middle. I think our Focus wagon was the same but that was a long time ago, and we only had one seat. We found that 2 infant seats are okay for the Volvo / Benz, but they are too wide for a third. With the kids in boosters we can get 3 in the 123, but the seat cup holders can't be out and it is a challenge to get the belts. Same problem in our Escape. Fortunately we don't have 3 boosters in the car frequently. It would be tough to have a middle infant seat and a booster, given the 'arms' on the infant carriers. Our boostered kids (6 and 7) are getting too big for the back of the 123 when I'm driving (seat all the way back); there just isn't enough room for their feet to be straight, and they aren't tall enough to actually put feet on the floor. The SDL does not have that problem. :) The Chevy Malibu that we're renting this week can only hold 2 boosters, so my son got to ride in the front for what might have been the first time ever. It only gets 28-29MPG, admittedly mostly city. -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
I agree, things are getting bigger, along with a lot of people. I won't tell you I bought a minivan a couple of years ago. *blush*. I have little use for such a thing, but I wanted to do a few renovations around the house, and figured over the next few years, it would be handy. But you're right, hard to justify hauling all the metal around most days, for the odd time I carry a few sheets of plywood or drywall home. I don't even own a dog, or have any kids. Mind you, just before winter hits, and it's time everyone starts switching their summer tires over to their winter tires, and they need a ride to the dealer, I'm everybody's best friend! lol. My popularity repeats itself in the Spring-time too. ;-) Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 14:10, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: The Accord of today is a MONSTER compared to the Accord of yesteryear, the Civic is now bigger than the old Accord. I'm not saying minvans aren't useful I'm saying for most people driving a big vehicle to go to work isn't as practical as they think it is. All they see is the space for when I need it not the massive amount of fuel it eats every single time you drive anywhere, empty or loaded. Strangely the older I get the smaller a car I want. I'm digging commuting in a 190D again. When the Fiat 500 finally hits our shores I'm at least going to try one. Its the same with horsepower I was reading Automobile this morning (I get it free) and they called 180HP anemic. -Curt Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:42:07 -0600 From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors Message-ID: 4d249f5f.8070...@mts.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mini-vans are just the station wagons of today. Very practical for families and less expensive than SUV's which are of course, similar in size and capacity. Sedans just are not as big as they used to be. A Honda Accord is now considered a family car. I am only 5'8 and about 200# and I have a hard time getting into my wife's Accord. The roof lines on modern cars are so low and sloped to benefit the aerodynamics that they are not easy to enter. A van will normally be much easier to get in and out of - that is one reason why we see so many elderly folks driving them. They also sit higher so there is better visibility. Take the seats out or fold them flat if you have one of the newer stowe and go setups and you can haul more than the thing is designed to carry. My neighbor used to load his poor old van up with yard waste etc and haul to the local dump. I was amazed at what he piled inside it. Travel with your family and you have space for the kids in the back as well as the luggage and the cooler etc. Very practical in many ways. I have tried my best at times to convince my wife that she would like one as I think it would be useful but she has declined. I don't want to drive it so we don't have one. If I could justify having another vehicle around, I would cheerfully have a Honda van. Randy On 05/01/2011 10:27 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: LOL, they were talking mini-vans on the radio this morning and I was struck by the number of people who need a mini-van for their one or two kids. My friend Devin has 4 crumb grabbers, he NEEDS a mini-van (and has one). Seems like with 2 kids most folks need a large sedan, maybe not even a large sedan while the kids are small. Our world has gone crazy, nobody knows the difference between need and want anymore... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 timing chain (Curt Raymond)
I'm in Hyde Park, MA. 02136 Any help is welcome. I may attack it this weekend or next. . Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] torpedo heaters
Yep, but the amerigas tanks are not 20's, they are 15's or 16's physically -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 5, 2011, at 9:43, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: A 20# tank at an exchange place only has ~ 15# in it, ostensibly for safety reasons, even though the tanks are MADE to hold 20#(with some extra room), and the OPD's are set to 20#... And to top it all they charge you more for the lesser amount because of convenience. Walt On Jan 5, 2011 7:00 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 timing chain (Curt Raymond)
brian costello wrote: I'm in Hyde Park, MA. 02136 Any help is welcome. I may attack it this weekend or next. . You link the new chain to the old and roll it through. Use a clip on master link to hook the two together, then stake a permanent master link on when you've got the new chain installed. You can peen the master with two hammers if you don't have the factory tool to stake the pins. The fun part is keeping serious tension on both ends of the chain while you rotate the engine to run the new chain in and the old chain out. The alternative is to safety wire the chains to the cam sprocket, rotate the engine a link or two, and redo the wires. Don't drop any pieces of cut wire into the engine. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh Kaleb!
Here's another one: Per capita, Kiwis have more ingenuity than any other earthly nationality. On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Dieselhead wrote: Kiwis can make anything out of anything, quickly, cheaply, and fearlessly. This quote from andrew belongs in the quotes page! Seconded. M ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 timing chain
Borrow a crimping tool, wire tie the chain to the camshaft cog, and break a link by grinding the rivets off and pushing the link out. Hook the new chain to the old on on the injector side and turn the engine a bit with the crank bolt. Wire tie more of the old chain onto the turbo side, cut the old tie, tie down some more of the new chain on the injecotr side, cut the old tie off on that side, and repeat to pull the chain in while keeping BOTH ends in contact with the sprocket. This is vital, else it's gonna be off at least one tooth, and the vacuum pump will tend to yank the chain off the sprocket at odd times. Once the end of the new chain comes up and is in contact with the sprocket near the top, remove the old chain and crimp the new link on. I don't recommend using a clip type, they usually fail pretty soon. Might be a good idea to buy a spare crimp link just in case. A new chain should have very little stretch, but verify that and also make sure you are not a tooth off (engine will run, but poorly with the cam one tooth late. One tooth early can be a problem). DO NOT drop the slack (old) end of the chain into the chain case Peter -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: Jan 5, 2011 10:23 AM To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 603 timing chain Hi Brian, Sounds like fun, where you at? I'm not sure I could be any help, I've never changed the timing chain in anything... -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 22:59:26 -0500 From: brian costello btc...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 603 timing chain Message-ID: aanlkti=k-3ajb7yp1ow-cbj=dcwu0dmhzlfaoy-cm...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey everybody! I picked up a another W124 603, this time a 87 WAGON!! oh boy. I need to replace the timing chain (its stretched pretty bad) So I have never done one before and was hoping a New England member would love to come on over my house (Carriage house, heated) and give me a hand?? I have plenty of tools, and beer, and food. Also I can do VW diesel belts (ALH engine especially). So I think I can handle the chain. So let me know if your around and want to help/watch/drink beer and laugh at me ! Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] drag
OK Don wrote: A narrower tire has less air resistance at speed - not insignificant in fuel economy. Rolling resistance - yes. _Air_ resistance? I'm not so sure. It's spinning, it's in a fender, a wider tire does not contribute to a larger frontal area. Are you sure? OK Don is absolutely correct. The size and shape of the outside mirrors also has a measurable effect on drag. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] torpedo heaters
I exchanged my empty 20 pound tank yesterday and some of the tanks had a label for 17 pounds and others had 15 pound labels. They were all the same size. Mike On Jan 5, 2011, at 2:38 PM, John Reames wrote: Yep, but the amerigas tanks are not 20's, they are 15's or 16's physically -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 5, 2011, at 9:43, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: A 20# tank at an exchange place only has ~ 15# in it, ostensibly for safety reasons, even though the tanks are MADE to hold 20#(with some extra room), and the OPD's are set to 20#... And to top it all they charge you more for the lesser amount because of convenience. Walt On Jan 5, 2011 7:00 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Timing Chain Crimping Tool
My recollection, is that once upon a time, someone on here had plans and dimensions for making the crimping tool. Anyone still got a copy of that? I have acquired an interest in machine tools and might just take a stab at making something like that. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
I had my '85 190D up to ~90mph once but didn't dare go any faster for legal reasons, it had more to go I think... -Curt Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:21:51 -0500 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors Message-ID: aanlkti=cfqx5tkwa+dr41kyyawh=d0vhaehaa6+fd...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah, a lot of them aren't too bad. I saw 230-240 kph once in a Porsche Twin Turbo Cayenne on the track. Doesn't sound that fast, but given the length of the track, the trucks weight, and that it had to scrub off all that speed for a corner, was pretty impressive. When I was over touring around the North of Italy, I logged lots of kms on the Autostrada at 180kph+, in a little 4 banger with only 2.0L. Had it loaded down with luggage and two people in the back too. It had long legs for what it was, but even driving it as I did, it returned amazing fuel economy. It was the most fun I've ever had in a car on public roads. Not just the Autostrada, but driving up in the Alps too. The fastest indicated speed I ever saw in a diesel, was 95mph in an old 300D. We had a good tailwind, and a long run of road, and all the stars and planets were aligned. hee hee. It felt like breaking the sound barrier in C17 at 20 feet off the ground ;-) Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Kid seats have gotten a LOT bigger too. How did we ever survive without so much safety? -Curt Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:23:57 -0500 From: Tim C bb...@crone.us To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors Message-ID: aanlktimtk9dka4n+sexlkijopdwfeyb=eczecmnlc...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: The Accord of today is a MONSTER compared to the Accord of yesteryear, the Civic is now bigger than the old Accord. New Prius is bigger. My in-laws have the old version, and weren't able to put 2 infant seats in at the same time - can't put the front seats up enough to clear, so you have to use the middle. I think our Focus wagon was the same but that was a long time ago, and we only had one seat. We found that 2 infant seats are okay for the Volvo / Benz, but they are too wide for a third. With the kids in boosters we can get 3 in the 123, but the seat cup holders can't be out and it is a challenge to get the belts. Same problem in our Escape. Fortunately we don't have 3 boosters in the car frequently. It would be tough to have a middle infant seat and a booster, given the 'arms' on the infant carriers. Our boostered kids (6 and 7) are getting too big for the back of the 123 when I'm driving (seat all the way back); there just isn't enough room for their feet to be straight, and they aren't tall enough to actually put feet on the floor. The SDL does not have that problem. :) The Chevy Malibu that we're renting this week can only hold 2 boosters, so my son got to ride in the front for what might have been the first time ever. It only gets 28-29MPG, admittedly mostly city. -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Even owning a pickup truck (Ranger, the last of the mini-trucks) I find the absolute best thing for hauling plywood is my snowmobile trailer, low to the ground and plenty big enough. My old one is 6x8, new one I'll hopefully be picking up this weekend is 8x8'. -Curt Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:26:32 -0500 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors Message-ID: aanlkti=mcb0p52o3k0mtqwsp3mvagklsh_evwd=fu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I agree, things are getting bigger, along with a lot of people. I won't tell you I bought a minivan a couple of years ago. *blush*. I have little use for such a thing, but I wanted to do a few renovations around the house, and figured over the next few years, it would be handy. But you're right, hard to justify hauling all the metal around most days, for the odd time I carry a few sheets of plywood or drywall home. I don't even own a dog, or have any kids. Mind you, just before winter hits, and it's time everyone starts switching their summer tires over to their winter tires, and they need a ride to the dealer, I'm everybody's best friend! lol. My popularity repeats itself in the Spring-time too. ;-) Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] home schooling
RLE wrote: Who determines if the parent is qualified to teach, that's #1, and whether they have the knowledge required for each subject, #2? Oh, yeah. #1 #2 - parents are adults and have learned how to make it to adulthood. That is a fundamental that everyone needs and schools fail to provide, primarily. The other jazz they put into the mix are all distractions. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] schooling
OK Don wrote: And resources - who's the tutor? The person(s) most interested in the success of the student. Mass education does not provide that - educators are interested in a paycheck and that is their primary objective - not education. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more holes
My father had 2 different '53 Roadmaster Buicks with the straight 8. He talked about them fondly most of his life. The first one came to grief - wet road and worn tires and a handy rock face. The 2nd was a gift from the insurance company in replacement for the 1st. He was very happy as the 2nd one was in much nicer condition. I remember him coming home and handing my mother a chrome ring and telling her that was about all that was left of the Buick. I think if was from one of the front turn signal lights. It sat on a shelf in our kitchen for many years after. Randy On 04/01/2011 10:47 PM, Dieselhead wrote: The buick straight 8 was produced from 1931 to 1953 A guy I knew in HS had a 30something buick straight 8. It was a phenomenal car. The only buick I ever wanted was a big old Buick straight 8 like that one. Unfortunately, being a dumb HS kid, he over revved it too much and snapped the crank. It had a sound all its own. ...Beg pardon, weren't those holes originally where the exhaust come out of the hood? Sure was a straight eight in there for a long time in the 30's 40's! All the holes were on one side in those days, and had an exhaust header going through them, eh?.. You are thinking of my friend CB's Bugatti 35B. Looks like the Buick holes appeared in 1949. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] schooling
But school is not just for the 3 R's. Children learn many things in school that they will not learn in isolation. Social skills being foremost in my mind at the moment. Randy On 05/01/2011 4:40 PM, Mountain Man wrote: OK Don wrote: And resources - who's the tutor? The person(s) most interested in the success of the student. Mass education does not provide that - educators are interested in a paycheck and that is their primary objective - not education. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Timing Chain Crimping Tool
I have read accounts of people using a sturdy vise-grips to crimp the timing chain. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of R A Bennell Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Timing Chain Crimping Tool My recollection, is that once upon a time, someone on here had plans and dimensions for making the crimping tool. Anyone still got a copy of that? I have acquired an interest in machine tools and might just take a stab at making something like that. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Timing Chain Crimping Tool
Maybe, but my point was more to the idea of a useful project than it was to the immediate need for such an animal. I should check the chain stretch on my 300D but I don't think I am near to needing it replaced. Randy On 05/01/2011 4:44 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote: I have read accounts of people using a sturdy vise-grips to crimp the timing chain. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of R A Bennell Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Timing Chain Crimping Tool My recollection, is that once upon a time, someone on here had plans and dimensions for making the crimping tool. Anyone still got a copy of that? I have acquired an interest in machine tools and might just take a stab at making something like that. Randy ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] torpedo heaters
Hmm. I know that when I took in my blue rhino tank, it would not physically fit into the cage that the amerigas tank came out of. It was simply too tall. -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 5, 2011, at 15:59, Michael Esh michael...@me.com wrote: I exchanged my empty 20 pound tank yesterday and some of the tanks had a label for 17 pounds and others had 15 pound labels. They were all the same size. Mike On Jan 5, 2011, at 2:38 PM, John Reames wrote: Yep, but the amerigas tanks are not 20's, they are 15's or 16's physically -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 5, 2011, at 9:43, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: A 20# tank at an exchange place only has ~ 15# in it, ostensibly for safety reasons, even though the tanks are MADE to hold 20#(with some extra room), and the OPD's are set to 20#... And to top it all they charge you more for the lesser amount because of convenience. Walt On Jan 5, 2011 7:00 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more holes
I have here in my top center desk drawer the MB crest (not the circled star hood ornament - the crest, the little one with wreath; the one screwed to top center of grille below the star hood ornament) from my beloved '80 240D; 'shows some minor bradding from collision that totaled it nearly 15 years ago. 'Bet I'd still be driving it if it had not met its demise courtesy of an uninsured motorist driving a ragged pickup. Wilton - Original Message - From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] more holes My father had 2 different '53 Roadmaster Buicks with the straight 8. He talked about them fondly most of his life. The first one came to grief - wet road and worn tires and a handy rock face. The 2nd was a gift from the insurance company in replacement for the 1st. He was very happy as the 2nd one was in much nicer condition. I remember him coming home and handing my mother a chrome ring and telling her that was about all that was left of the Buick. I think if was from one of the front turn signal lights. It sat on a shelf in our kitchen for many years after. Randy On 04/01/2011 10:47 PM, Dieselhead wrote: The buick straight 8 was produced from 1931 to 1953 A guy I knew in HS had a 30something buick straight 8. It was a phenomenal car. The only buick I ever wanted was a big old Buick straight 8 like that one. Unfortunately, being a dumb HS kid, he over revved it too much and snapped the crank. It had a sound all its own. ...Beg pardon, weren't those holes originally where the exhaust come out of the hood? Sure was a straight eight in there for a long time in the 30's 40's! All the holes were on one side in those days, and had an exhaust header going through them, eh?.. You are thinking of my friend CB's Bugatti 35B. Looks like the Buick holes appeared in 1949. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] home schooling
Roger, It typically depends on the state. Most have specific requirements for home schooling. Some require the parent/teacher to have a degree, some require use of certain text/curricula, some require the students to pass standardized tests at certain intervals. Some require a combination of the above. There are a lot of support groups for home schooling these days, which allow for the kids to get together for field trips, etc. We even have some sports teams that are allowed to participate in state-sanctioned athletics. Dan --- On Wed, 1/5/11, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] home schooling To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 5:38 PM RLE wrote: Who determines if the parent is qualified to teach, that's #1, and whether they have the knowledge required for each subject, #2? Oh, yeah. #1 #2 - parents are adults and have learned how to make it to adulthood. That is a fundamental that everyone needs and schools fail to provide, primarily. The other jazz they put into the mix are all distractions. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 timing chain
Peter gave good instructions, but I have a few pointers before beginning Peter's instruction: 1. After removing the valve cover, remove the timing chain tensioner. (order a new seal (O-ring) when you order the timing chain and extra links) 2. It works better if you remove glow plugs or injectors so you don't fight and get kickback from compression. (if you remove injectors, order new heat shields. PAY ATTENTION to which side goes up!) and cover all injection parts so no foreign material can get inside the injector or line. 3. before grinding, and before working on installing/removing any links, stuff the top of the chain case with rags. DO NOT **EVER** LET A PART OF A LINK, A WIRE AR ANYTHING ELSE FALL INTO THE CHAIN CASE. If you do, you will most likely be removing the engine. (but it will NOT melt your PISTONS, in reference to Herr Doktor) Borrow a crimping tool, wire tie the chain to the camshaft cog, and break a link by grinding the rivets off and pushing the link out. Hook the new chain to the old on on the injector side and turn the engine a bit with the crank bolt. Wire tie more of the old chain onto the turbo side, cut the old tie, tie down some more of the new chain on the injecotr side, cut the old tie off on that side, and repeat to pull the chain in while keeping BOTH ends in contact with the sprocket. This is vital, else it's gonna be off at least one tooth, and the vacuum pump will tend to yank the chain off the sprocket at odd times. Once the end of the new chain comes up and is in contact with the sprocket near the top, remove the old chain and crimp the new link on. I don't recommend using a clip type, they usually fail pretty soon. Might be a good idea to buy a spare crimp link just in case. A new chain should have very little stretch, but verify that and also make sure you are not a tooth off (engine will run, but poorly with the cam one tooth late. One tooth early can be a problem). DO NOT drop the slack (old) end of the chain into the chain case Peter -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: Jan 5, 2011 10:23 AM To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 603 timing chain Hi Brian, Sounds like fun, where you at? I'm not sure I could be any help, I've never changed the timing chain in anything... -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 22:59:26 -0500 From: brian costello btc...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 603 timing chain Message-ID: aanlkti=k-3ajb7yp1ow-cbj=dcwu0dmhzlfaoy-cm...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey everybody! I picked up a another W124 603, this time a 87 WAGON!! oh boy. I need to replace the timing chain (its stretched pretty bad) So I have never done one before and was hoping a New England member would love to come on over my house (Carriage house, heated) and give me a hand?? I have plenty of tools, and beer, and food. Also I can do VW diesel belts (ALH engine especially). So I think I can handle the chain. So let me know if your around and want to help/watch/drink beer and laugh at me ! Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Timing Chain Crimping Tool
Hey! Maybe there is still hope for the world! A lawyer contemplating MAKING SOMETHING USEFUL! If that caught on, the US and Canyada might just replace KIWIs again as the most ingenious people on the planet. That would be fitting as shyster lawyers have had heavy hands in the wimpification of the Americas. Way to GO Randy! Yay for American Ingenuity! The original AI My recollection, is that once upon a time, someone on here had plans and dimensions for making the crimping tool. Anyone still got a copy of that? I have acquired an interest in machine tools and might just take a stab at making something like that. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Timing Chain Crimping Tool
Thank you, Thank you (takes a bow) but I still need the plans. I may have made a copy but if so, I am not certain what I may have done with them. May be in a file at home. In any event, as I said, I have been re-kindling an interest that has been dormant since high school days. I have acquired an old Logan lathe and an inexpensive Chinese Mill and may one day get them hooked up so I can make some chips fly. Randy On 05/01/2011 5:02 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Hey! Maybe there is still hope for the world! A lawyer contemplating MAKING SOMETHING USEFUL! If that caught on, the US and Canyada might just replace KIWIs again as the most ingenious people on the planet. That would be fitting as shyster lawyers have had heavy hands in the wimpification of the Americas. Way to GO Randy! Yay for American Ingenuity! The original AI My recollection, is that once upon a time, someone on here had plans and dimensions for making the crimping tool. Anyone still got a copy of that? I have acquired an interest in machine tools and might just take a stab at making something like that. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Timing Chain Crimping Tool
Randy: I too have rekindled an interest in machining not done since high school! I have a Homier 7X12 lathe, a power bandsaw and a Unimat SL1000 lathe/mill. I have thought about making a Timing Chain Crimping Tool myself, and from pictures I've seen of the regulation tool it seems pretty simple. The only parts that should require hardened and tempered tool steel would be the peening tool and the anvil. The rest could be mild steel, even free-machining leaded steel. The dimensions could be guesstimated from pictures of the regulation part. The frame could be assembled and bolted together (using adequate number and size of bolts to handle the stresses) from rectangular stock to minimize milling. Drill and tap for a fairly fine thread to get some mechanical advantage. Accurately locate the anvil from the drilled hole. Make the anvil and peening tool from drill rod, then heat to orange red, quench as appropriate for the type of drill rod; then temper in a 450 degree oven for an hour. HTH Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of R A Bennell Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 3:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Timing Chain Crimping Tool Thank you, Thank you (takes a bow) but I still need the plans. I may have made a copy but if so, I am not certain what I may have done with them. May be in a file at home. In any event, as I said, I have been re-kindling an interest that has been dormant since high school days. I have acquired an old Logan lathe and an inexpensive Chinese Mill and may one day get them hooked up so I can make some chips fly. Randy On 05/01/2011 5:02 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Hey! Maybe there is still hope for the world! A lawyer contemplating MAKING SOMETHING USEFUL! If that caught on, the US and Canyada might just replace KIWIs again as the most ingenious people on the planet. That would be fitting as shyster lawyers have had heavy hands in the wimpification of the Americas. Way to GO Randy! Yay for American Ingenuity! The original AI My recollection, is that once upon a time, someone on here had plans and dimensions for making the crimping tool. Anyone still got a copy of that? I have acquired an interest in machine tools and might just take a stab at making something like that. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] My Blackberry is not working
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGa-S-_QoM0 RLE/while this may be OT, who is to say what OT really is? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My Blackberry is not working
I posted this a couple of weeks ago It's still funny, though. Dan --- On Wed, 1/5/11, relng...@aol.com relng...@aol.com wrote: From: relng...@aol.com relng...@aol.com Subject: [MBZ] My Blackberry is not working To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 7:57 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGa-S-_QoM0 RLE/while this may be OT, who is to say what OT really is? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Timing Chain Crimping Tool
I used a ball peen hammer and gently rounded over the ends. It was very easy and worked very well. Mike On 05/01/2011 4:44 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote: I have read accounts of people using a sturdy vise-grips to crimp the timing chain. Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] WAY OT Re: My Blackberry is not working
*Definition:* differing from the main topic; not relevant Seeing that they do not mention Daimler(-Benz) or any of it's product, we can surmise that this post is off-topic. Spose that now I have mentioned Daimler(-Benz) this post is on-topic. Hendrik who confused himself, easy to do relng...@aol.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGa-S-_QoM0 RLE/while this may be OT, who is to say what OT really is? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yokohama tires was: I just discovered something about the '94 E420 ...
I read somewhere during the last year that all the high efficiency cars have narrower tires do the the frontal area air resistance. I searched for narrow tire air resistance and found the following: 1. Rolling resistance coefficient (RRC). The value of the rolling resistance force divided by the wheel load. The Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) has developed test practices to measure the RRC of tires. These tests (SAE J1269 https://mail.google.com/wiki/SAE_J1269 and SAE J2452 https://mail.google.com/wiki/SAE_J2452) are usually performed[*citation needed https://mail.google.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed*] on new tires. When measured by using these standard test practices, most new passenger tires have reported RRCs ranging from 0.007 to 0.014.[3]https://mail.google.com/mail/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.html#cite_note-NAS286-2In the case of bicycle tires, values of 0.0025 to 0.005 are achieved. [8]https://mail.google.com/mail/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.html#cite_note-7These coefficients are measured on rollers, with power meters on road surfaces, or with coast-down tests. In the latter two cases, the effect of air resistance must be subtracted or the tests performed at very low speeds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_resistance And: Rolling resistance is the energy that is lost when the tire is rolling and the main reason for loss of energy is the constant deformation of the tire. In addition to rolling resistance, there are also other resistances that have to be overcome when riding a bicycle. Air resistance rises squared with increased speed. At a straight-line speed of 20 km/h on the flat, air resistance is the main resistance force. http://www.schwalbetires.com/tech_info/rolling_resistance On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I had to think about that one too but it makes sense, the tire does stick down below the car. I suspect as a measure of overall wind resistance we're talking a small number... -Curt Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 01:39:39 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yokohama tires was: I just discovered something about the '94 E420 ... Message-ID: 20110105013939.b5b3071d.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII OK Don wrote: A narrower tire has less air resistance at speed - not insignificant in fuel economy. Rolling resistance - yes. _Air_ resistance? I'm not so sure. It's spinning, it's in a fender, a wider tire does not contribute to a larger frontal area. Are you sure? -- Philip -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hello again and 95 E320 Check engine light
I didn't see any reasonalbe way to read the codes on the '01 ML, so I coughed up the $ for a code scanner. You can read the generic codes, and turn off the CEL with it. The CEL comes on occaisonaly in the ML - it's the EGR flow. The car runs just fine either way, so I am clearing the code for now. FWIW, the code seems to come on when I brake to slow down in traffic from 55mph or so. It will stay off for from 30 to 400 miles at a time. What's wrong with these engines? - they burn gasoline instead of Diesel!!! On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Hello listers! I have been occasionally reading the digests, just haven't had any time to add my two cents. At any rate, I have a question. The Check Engine light came on my 1995 E320. It has just less than 100K miles. I noticed yesterday that it felt just a little rough running. But, it cleared up. Then, later in the day, it seemed to hesitate as I pulled away from a stop light. It is running fine this morning, but the CEL is still on. So, two questions: Can I check the codes without a code reader? (is there some sort of procedure besides a code reader/scanner) What is typically wrong with these? Donald H. Snook -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cheap 6.9 on CL
Humbug! It's just broken in! On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:55 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: But oh boy, with 170,000 on the clock, it could cost some serious money to put this beast right! Ed 300E -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
What Randy said. We use our Plymouth Grand Voyager both to haul lots of kids (they're grown now - have spouses and more luggage) and lumber, M117 engines, etc. It will carry 4x8 sheets of plywood flat on the floor, in the rain, etc. It's hauled a LOT of 8x8x16 concrete blocks for my wife's garden bed projects. The only bad part is that my wife likes driving it so much, that she'll drive it instead of a 300D 2.5T -- thus burning way too much fuel, is less safe, etc. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:42 AM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: Mini-vans are just the station wagons of today. Very practical for families and less expensive than SUV's which are of course, similar in size and capacity. Sedans just are not as big as they used to be. A Honda Accord is now considered a family car. I am only 5'8 and about 200# and I have a hard time getting into my wife's Accord. The roof lines on modern cars are so low and sloped to benefit the aerodynamics that they are not easy to enter. A van will normally be much easier to get in and out of - that is one reason why we see so many elderly folks driving them. They also sit higher so there is better visibility. Take the seats out or fold them flat if you have one of the newer stowe and go setups and you can haul more than the thing is designed to carry. My neighbor used to load his poor old van up with yard waste etc and haul to the local dump. I was amazed at what he piled inside it. Travel with your family and you have space for the kids in the back as well as the luggage and the cooler etc. Very practical in many ways. I have tried my best at times to convince my wife that she would like one as I think it would be useful but she has declined. I don't want to drive it so we don't have one. If I could justify having another vehicle around, I would cheerfully have a Honda van. Randy -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Hey, I resemble that remark! On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:26 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, things are getting bigger, along with a lot of people. Ed 300E -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] schooling
Right! Where are we going to get our future gang members??? ;-) On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:44 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: But school is not just for the 3 R's. Children learn many things in school that they will not learn in isolation. Social skills being foremost in my mind at the moment. Randy -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] schooling
Just because I was very interested in the success of my kids didn't make me the best one to teach them. While there are educators as you describe, I found them to be a very small minority in our kids public school expereinces - 4 kids over 22 years. The greatest barrier to learning was the kids whose parents had no interest in their kids learning anything, who held back the classes and were disruptive. The attitudes of the parents were directly reflected in the kids. The stupid stuff that happens in the schools is driven by the school boards, who are elected by the parents - On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: And resources - who's the tutor? The person(s) most interested in the success of the student. Mass education does not provide that - educators are interested in a paycheck and that is their primary objective - not education. mao -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Timing Chain Crimping Tool
There is a very nice little chain crimping tool made for chainsaws but I'm pretty sure that it would work for timing chains just fine. Did a Motorcycle chain a long time ago and it never came apart. http://www.mfgsupply.com/m/c/G-605.html?id=bTj8uMAE Can't believe they cost almost $50 now. I got mine for about $12 or so. OK back about 20 years ago. Still works great though. Manfred Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:44:17 -0800 From: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Timing Chain Crimping Tool Message-ID: 0b7101cbad2a$1e348060$5a9d81...@net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii I have read accounts of people using a sturdy vise-grips to crimp the timing chain. Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Don't let it worry you too much Ed. It's only a compensation if you have a need for one. If what you have is a need for speed then it's an obsession. Manfred the obsessed one. At least it's better then being possessed. On the other hand being possessed by a young intelligent very rich woman may not be all that bad, like I've got a chance of that happening. Well I can dream. Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:39:50 -0500 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors As to your last sentence Curt, I hear that often. It causes me more than a little concern as I really like fast cars with lots of HP!!! ;-) hee hee Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 timing chain
The only thing I have to add to the excellent instructions so far, is that I used insulated wire of some sort (don't remember the gauge or source) rather than ties - had three to move around the sprocket so there were always wo on it. Also - this is a good time to replace the upper guide rail - it's probably very worn if the chain is stretched, and not hard to do. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Peter gave good instructions, but I have a few pointers before beginning Peter's instruction: 1. After removing the valve cover, remove the timing chain tensioner. (order a new seal (O-ring) when you order the timing chain and extra links) 2. It works better if you remove glow plugs or injectors so you don't fight and get kickback from compression. (if you remove injectors, order new heat shields. PAY ATTENTION to which side goes up!) and cover all injection parts so no foreign material can get inside the injector or line. 3. before grinding, and before working on installing/removing any links, stuff the top of the chain case with rags. DO NOT **EVER** LET A PART OF A LINK, A WIRE AR ANYTHING ELSE FALL INTO THE CHAIN CASE. If you do, you will most likely be removing the engine. (but it will NOT melt your PISTONS, in reference to Herr Doktor) Borrow a crimping tool, wire tie the chain to the camshaft cog, and break a link by grinding the rivets off and pushing the link out. Hook the new chain to the old on on the injector side and turn the engine a bit with the crank bolt. Wire tie more of the old chain onto the turbo side, cut the old tie, tie down some more of the new chain on the injecotr side, cut the old tie off on that side, and repeat to pull the chain in while keeping BOTH ends in contact with the sprocket. This is vital, else it's gonna be off at least one tooth, and the vacuum pump will tend to yank the chain off the sprocket at odd times. Once the end of the new chain comes up and is in contact with the sprocket near the top, remove the old chain and crimp the new link on. I don't recommend using a clip type, they usually fail pretty soon. Might be a good idea to buy a spare crimp link just in case. A new chain should have very little stretch, but verify that and also make sure you are not a tooth off (engine will run, but poorly with the cam one tooth late. One tooth early can be a problem). DO NOT drop the slack (old) end of the chain into the chain case Peter -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Timing Chain Crimping Tool
MG wrote: There is a very nice little chain crimping tool made for chainsaws but I'm pretty sure that it would work for timing chains just fine. Did a Motorcycle chain a long time ago and it never came apart. http://www.mfgsupply.com/m/c/G-605.html?id=bTj8uMAE I'd be leery of using a Granberg Break-N-Mend. It's got a vice-grip for a frame. OTOH, I'm not sure how well a real chainsaw rivet spinner would work if not bolted to a workbench. (but if making your own, it would be easier to buy an anvil from a chainsaw spinner than to make your own from drill rod. http://www.baileysonline.com/itemdetail.asp?item=WPScatID= ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
fastest indicated speed I ever saw in a diesel, was 95mph in an old 300D. SDL will do just about 120 MPH. I'd expect the same of any of the OM603 cars of that vintage. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1980 300 SD vac lines again!
Vacuum accessory problems? You _need_ a MityVac. Really. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Timing Chain Crimping Tool
I thought it took quite a bit of peening to smash the ends, I don't see how vise-grips could begin to do the job. I probably did expand the ends more than required, but they worked. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Michael Esh michael...@me.com wrote: I used a ball peen hammer and gently rounded over the ends. It was very easy and worked very well. Mike On 05/01/2011 4:44 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote: I have read accounts of people using a sturdy vise-grips to crimp the timing chain. Greg -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
I can vouch that both the SDL and 300D 2.5T can well exceed 100 --- On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: fastest indicated speed I ever saw in a diesel, was 95mph in an old 300D. SDL will do just about 120 MPH. I'd expect the same of any of the OM603 cars of that vintage. -- Jim -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Jim Cathey wrote: fastest indicated speed I ever saw in a diesel, was 95mph in an old 300D. SDL will do just about 120 MPH. I'd expect the same of any of the OM603 cars of that vintage. W124 was incredibly low drag for a 1987 car. Wouldn't surprise me if it had 10mph on the SDL. Says here the 300E (188hp) would do 140mph and the 260E had 0.29 cd: http://www.autozine.org/Archive/Mercedes/classic/W124.html Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1980 300 SD vac lines again!
Or the HF metal mity-vac knock-off. Vacuum accessory problems? You _need_ a MityVac. Really. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
The Mercedes Technical Data book says that the top speed of the 300SDL is 175kph or 109mph, the 300D2.5T is 195kph or 121mph, and the 300E is 220kph or 136.7mph. I have the CoD at 0.28 for the W124 - same as the Chevy Volt - On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Jim Cathey wrote: fastest indicated speed I ever saw in a diesel, was 95mph in an old 300D. SDL will do just about 120 MPH. I'd expect the same of any of the OM603 cars of that vintage. W124 was incredibly low drag for a 1987 car. Wouldn't surprise me if it had 10mph on the SDL. Says here the 300E (188hp) would do 140mph and the 260E had 0.29 cd: http://www.autozine.org/Archive/Mercedes/classic/W124.html Mitch. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Curt Raymond wrote: LOL, they were talking mini-vans on the radio this morning and I was struck by the number of people who need a mini-van for their one or two kids. My friend Devin has 4 crumb grabbers, he NEEDS a mini-van (and has one). Seems like with 2 kids most folks need a large sedan, maybe not even a large sedan while the kids are small. Have you ever tried to move from the front seat to the back where the kids are to help them (a snack, the dropped toy, removing brother's fingers from hair, etc) in a sedan? Now try in a van - mini or not. Or try getting kids into car seats in the rain in a sedan. But I _really_ don't like working on a van, so there are none in my fleet. Our world has gone crazy, nobody knows the difference between need and want anymore... Oh so true!! I need at least three houses (primary house, lake house, mountain cabin), four boats (john boat, ski boat, cabin cruiser, and sail boat), eight cars, and a 2-day work week! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 / OM617 questions
Tim C wrote: Thanks Philip! Your welcome. 8) Alignment: tire shop says I need one, but I gather it's I do it myself. I bought a caster/camber gauge years ago. I use a laser level to do the toe-in. I've now done the process three times. Each was successful - the last being the best, fastest - of course. Interesting, I've never heard of anyone DIY (well, DIT :). Do you recall how long it took you the first time? Not the fabrication just the actual alignment part. Uhmmm. The process of turning tie-rods until the toe-in is correct probably takes less than an hour. The process of getting the tie-rods to actually turn? That can take a while. On at least one of the cars, I removed the whole thing and got it moving free on the bench in the vise, then re-installed it. Also, I liberally grease the threads so it will move next time I want it to. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
LOL. Until you find yourself shopping for a GL because you NEED the extra leg room, don't worry about it. hee hee ;-) Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 21:26, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I resemble that remark! On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:26 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, things are getting bigger, along with a lot of people. Ed 300E -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
I don't really NEED a mini-van, but it seems several of my friends feel I need one. My mother advised me in a couple of years, when all the house projects are finished, to dump the van and get a Mini Cooper S. She's a pretty cool Mum! :-) Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 22:31, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: LOL, they were talking mini-vans on the radio this morning and I was struck by the number of people who need a mini-van for their one or two kids. My friend Devin has 4 crumb grabbers, he NEEDS a mini-van (and has one). Seems like with 2 kids most folks need a large sedan, maybe not even a large sedan while the kids are small. Have you ever tried to move from the front seat to the back where the kids are to help them (a snack, the dropped toy, removing brother's fingers from hair, etc) in a sedan? Now try in a van - mini or not. Or try getting kids into car seats in the rain in a sedan. But I _really_ don't like working on a van, so there are none in my fleet. Our world has gone crazy, nobody knows the difference between need and want anymore... Oh so true!! I need at least three houses (primary house, lake house, mountain cabin), four boats (john boat, ski boat, cabin cruiser, and sail boat), eight cars, and a 2-day work week! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap hauling - was: H rated and governors
E M wrote: I won't tell you I bought a minivan a couple of years ago. *blush*. I have little use for such a thing, but I wanted to do a few renovations around the house, and figured over the next few years, it would be handy. But you're right, hard to justify hauling all the metal around most days, for the odd time I carry a few sheets of plywood or drywall home. It's hard to beat a small utility trailer for occasional hauling duty. Less than $1000 _including_ a hitch on the tow car, low tax, hitch it only when you need it, and even the little ones have 1000 lb (500 kg) load capacity making it comparable to a half-ton pickup. Oh, and the deck is lower so loading/unloading is easier. I think I just convinced myself!! I should go buy one! A companion for the big one I have already. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hello again and 95 E320 Check engine light
How are you finding the gas mileage? Have you noticed an increase in consumption? Sorry, I'm jumping in a bit late here, so I may have missed some of the earlier posts. Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 21:09, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't see any reasonalbe way to read the codes on the '01 ML, so I coughed up the $ for a code scanner. You can read the generic codes, and turn off the CEL with it. The CEL comes on occaisonaly in the ML - it's the EGR flow. The car runs just fine either way, so I am clearing the code for now. FWIW, the code seems to come on when I brake to slow down in traffic from 55mph or so. It will stay off for from 30 to 400 miles at a time. What's wrong with these engines? - they burn gasoline instead of Diesel!!! On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Hello listers! I have been occasionally reading the digests, just haven't had any time to add my two cents. At any rate, I have a question. The Check Engine light came on my 1995 E320. It has just less than 100K miles. I noticed yesterday that it felt just a little rough running. But, it cleared up. Then, later in the day, it seemed to hesitate as I pulled away from a stop light. It is running fine this morning, but the CEL is still on. So, two questions: Can I check the codes without a code reader? (is there some sort of procedure besides a code reader/scanner) What is typically wrong with these? Donald H. Snook -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cheap 6.9 on CL
Years ago, well, when they were new, my Dad had a 450SEL company car. I loved it right from the first drive. And looking back, it was my first taste of a German car, having previously always had big American Luxo cars. My Dad hated it, saying it drove like a park bench. The only nice thing he ever had to say about it was, the German cars all had a nice tight turning radius. lol. A neighbour in our area at the time, had a 6.9. He kept it years, and when he finally parted with it, it was a rust bucket, but shared the driveway with a new 560 SEL. Ok, I'm kind of reminiscing here, and off topic. I had been driving for a number of years, and that old 6.9 was still in the guys driveway. I often though about how low an offer I could make the fellow for his car, without insulting him. (this was when gas was cheap, and I had NO understanding of the running costs of such cars). Well, I never did make the guy an offer, but it sure was a cool car. That old rust bucket really instilled a love for big Mercedes Q cars in me. I'd still love one, and maybe a 6.3 even more, but I could live quite happily knowing I had a nice tidy 560 in the garage. :-) Black would be a bonus. Probably a lot easier on the wallet than either a 6.9 or a 6.3 too! Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 21:11, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Humbug! It's just broken in! On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:55 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: But oh boy, with 170,000 on the clock, it could cost some serious money to put this beast right! Ed 300E -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap hauling - was: H rated and governors
I friend was looking at some. I've never really looking into it to be honest. Before the mini-van, when I needed to bring something larger home from HomeDept, I just rented one of their vans by the hour. I do know, one of the questions they always ask here, when applying for insurance, is whether you are going to us your vehicle to tow anything. Trailers also need to be plated here, but I'm sure that applies most places. I'm in the city, so having a trailer, would mean I'd have to store it somewhere. I think once I get the bulk of the things finished around the house, I'll probably go back to renting for the occasional time I'll need to bring something larger home. On a bit of a side note, while we all see Mercedes pulling trailers in Europe on a regular basis, I was told here, that any towing would void the warranty. My car is wy out of warranty, but it might effect your car as it's probably still covered. Not that I'm suggesting you have any plans to turn your Benz into a trailer tug. hee hee Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 22:40, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: E M wrote: I won't tell you I bought a minivan a couple of years ago. *blush*. I have little use for such a thing, but I wanted to do a few renovations around the house, and figured over the next few years, it would be handy. But you're right, hard to justify hauling all the metal around most days, for the odd time I carry a few sheets of plywood or drywall home. It's hard to beat a small utility trailer for occasional hauling duty. Less than $1000 _including_ a hitch on the tow car, low tax, hitch it only when you need it, and even the little ones have 1000 lb (500 kg) load capacity making it comparable to a half-ton pickup. Oh, and the deck is lower so loading/unloading is easier. I think I just convinced myself!! I should go buy one! A companion for the big one I have already. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] drag
relng...@aol.com wrote: OK Don wrote: A narrower tire has less air resistance at speed - not insignificant in fuel economy. Rolling resistance - yes. _Air_ resistance? I'm not so sure. It's spinning, it's in a fender, a wider tire does not contribute to a larger frontal area. OK Don is absolutely correct. The size and shape of the outside mirrors also has a measurable effect on drag. A mirror and a tire are vastly different with regard to aerodynamics. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 / OM617 questions
If in 79 it would be a very late 79. Early 79 and 78 had the old style key. On 1/4/2011 7:47 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: And 79, at least... but not 77. Not sure about 78. Jaime -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Top Gear Grosser
I watched a Top Gear episode on Netflix tonight that had a 600 Grosser against a Roller coupe. It was pretty funny. Jeremy took the Grosser in for a service and got a 15000 pound bill. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Top Gear Grosser
I remember that one! It was a really funny episode. Worth looking up on YouTube for anyone who hasn't viewed it yet. I love some of the lines Clarkson comes out with. lol Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 23:21, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.netwrote: I watched a Top Gear episode on Netflix tonight that had a 600 Grosser against a Roller coupe. It was pretty funny. Jeremy took the Grosser in for a service and got a 15000 pound bill. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Top Gear Grosser
Love the UK top gear. clarkson It's the fastest production coup-ay.. in the world. /clarkson The History Channel top gear is not a bad show, but just doesn't hold a candle to the original. Allan On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:21 -0500, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I watched a Top Gear episode on Netflix tonight that had a 600 Grosser against a Roller coupe. It was pretty funny. Jeremy took the Grosser in for a service and got a 15000 pound bill. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap hauling - was: H rated and governors
It's hard to beat a small utility trailer for occasional hauling duty. Less than $1000 _including_ a hitch on the tow car, low tax, hitch it only when you need it, and even the little ones have 1000 lb (500 kg) load capacity making it comparable to a half-ton pickup. Oh, and the deck is lower so loading/unloading is easier. I think I just convinced myself!! I should go buy one! A companion for the big one I have already. --Philip A coleman VersaTrailer utility trailer is hard to beat. Like this one: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/rvs/2134782553.html Light, easy to pull, the top is removable. the front and back tailgates fold down for long stuff. It tips for dumping dirt/rocks. Tongue folds. It can be tipped up and stored against a garage wall. If anyone buys one, I would like to find a good used top for mine. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap hauling - was: H rated and governors
E M wrote: I do know, one of the questions they always ask here, when applying for insurance, is whether you are going to us your vehicle to tow anything. Trailers also need to be plated here, but I'm sure that applies most places. The 10,000 lb (4,500 kg) GVW trailer I have the plates cost about $20 and are good for something like 5 years, as I recall Either way, it's still way cheaper than adding a pickup to your fleet. I'm in the city, so having a trailer, would mean I'd have to store it somewhere. Oh. I forget sometimes that not everyone has a dozen or three acres to store stuff. On a bit of a side note, while we all see Mercedes pulling trailers in Europe on a regular basis, I was told here, that any towing would void the warranty. My car is wy out of warranty, but it might effect your car as it's probably still covered. Not that I'm suggesting you have any plans to turn your Benz into a trailer tug. The wagon already has a hitch - but I don't trust it. I do want to add trailer towing capability (and a suitable trailer) to something smaller than a Suburban. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] VersaTrailer WAS: cheap hauling -
A common price for a good Coleman VersaTrailer is $250-$350, so that one is LA is a steal. I'd sure buy it if it was closer. Northern Hydraulic has new tires and rims for about $40 ea. HF had them for a little more. I put 12 tires on mine, in place of the stock 8 before I pulled it to FL and back. I figure they turn about 25% less for the same distance. The VersaTrailers are just right to pull with a MB. I have pulled mine with the 200D, the van, the SDL, and I always intended to pull it with the various 123 and 124 wagons we had, but never got a hitch on one. I have hauled all kinds of stuff in it and pulled it on 2-4000 mile trips. The PO I bought it from had pulled it to the east coast many times. I can haul 20' lumber on it, 4x8 sheets, furniture, MB engines, transmission etc. furniture, rock, and the list goes on. It is a shame that Coleman no longer makes them. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hello again and 95 E320 Check engine light
I get 21mpg (US gal.) --- not great, but not bad for a 4500lb machine. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:43 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: How are you finding the gas mileage? Have you noticed an increase in consumption? Sorry, I'm jumping in a bit late here, so I may have missed some of the earlier posts. Ed 300E On 5 January 2011 21:09, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't see any reasonalbe way to read the codes on the '01 ML, so I coughed up the $ for a code scanner. You can read the generic codes, and turn off the CEL with it. The CEL comes on occaisonaly in the ML - it's the EGR flow. The car runs just fine either way, so I am clearing the code for now. FWIW, the code seems to come on when I brake to slow down in traffic from 55mph or so. It will stay off for from 30 to 400 miles at a time. What's wrong with these engines? - they burn gasoline instead of Diesel!!! On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Hello listers! I have been occasionally reading the digests, just haven't had any time to add my two cents. At any rate, I have a question. The Check Engine light came on my 1995 E320. It has just less than 100K miles. I noticed yesterday that it felt just a little rough running. But, it cleared up. Then, later in the day, it seemed to hesitate as I pulled away from a stop light. It is running fine this morning, but the CEL is still on. So, two questions: Can I check the codes without a code reader? (is there some sort of procedure besides a code reader/scanner) What is typically wrong with these? Donald H. Snook -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hello again and 95 E320 Check engine light
On the 93, my college age daughter found the codes and how to read them online. I made her read the codes every time the CE light came on.Even though she won't pick up a wrench, she is Helen Wheels when it comes to knowledge about MBs and finding info online. Hello listers! I have been occasionally reading the digests, just haven't had any time to add my two cents. At any rate, I have a question. The Check Engine light came on my 1995 E320. It has just less than 100K miles. I noticed yesterday that it felt just a little rough running. But, it cleared up. Then, later in the day, it seemed to hesitate as I pulled away from a stop light. It is running fine this morning, but the CEL is still on. So, two questions: Can I check the codes without a code reader? (is there some sort of procedure besides a code reader/scanner) What is typically wrong with these? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hello again and 95 E320 Check engine light
Barrister Snook, Everything you want, need and more is here: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=107630 Didn't I post the codes for you a few months ago? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] flat out
...SDL will do just about 120 MPH. I'd expect the same of any of the OM603 cars of that vintage... My 77hp '78 300D, governed at 4400rpm (equating 99mph) was reached, one time, on a straight flat road a bit south of Prince George BC. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] drag
...A mirror and a tire are vastly different with regard to aerodynamics... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] drag
...A mirror and a tire are vastly different with regard to aerodynamics Both contibute to overall drag. What's your point? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
