Re: [MBZ] W123 valve stem seals replacement
Put them over the valve stem before sliding the seals down, else you will surely take bites out of them on the way over the keeper slots, rendering them useless. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Change of plans: restoring Marlene Diederich... a new blog
Message: 7 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:48:22 -0800 Hi Kevin, Yes, that is a deliberate alternate spelling of 'Marlene Diederich'. As I explain in the blog: A word about the name: I have owned the car for 12 years now, and I have never been able to successfully arrive at a name that really fits. If I was going to choose a name, which I have never done for any of my cars, I wanted something Germanic, something meaningful, and something... catchy. My wife likes the car, so I wanted to include her in the selection... and I suggested Diederich, a family name. She thought the name should be feminine, which I couldn't argue with having come up with several male names that just didn't make it. So a feminine name... to be combined with the Diederich family name Hmmm. What about Marlene, my wife asked? BINGO! Marlene Diederich it is!! :) http://mercedesdieselrebuildingdiederich.blogspot.com/ In the case of my no-show buyer... I had arranged my afternoon to accomodate him... I had spoken to him around 10 am Saturday, arranging for a 2:30 pm appointment... 4 1/2 hours away. He doesn't show up, pissing me off. No phone call, nothing. Then, about 24 hours later, on Sunday, a truck with three strange guys arrives in my driveway around 2pm. I am thinking what the hell is this? Well, it's my no show buyer. I told him the appointment was yesterday and he missed it, and that the car was no longer for sale. He blamed the confusion on his 'new medication' I am thinking it was his 'self-medication'. The whole experience was just kinda creepy... and I was left with the feeling that he wasn't so much interested in buying the car as he was in 'casing the joint.Good grief, who needs that? Tom SE Connecticut 1975 W115 300D and all those BMWs From: Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Change of plans: restoring Marlene Diederich... a new blog Message-ID: 2C3AD47B57474523B294FB0CB0D9C985@kdogPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original That's great, one less W115 rusting away and going to the crusher! I hate no show buyers, or those who come out and spend 20 minutes driving it around and poking under the hood only to say That isn't really what I wanted. I had this happen a few days ago with an RC car I had for sale, and it looks like I'll be keeping that one too. Did you spell it Diederich rather than Dietrich on purpose? Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody got a carfax?
Go to carfax and get one then. They dont do the unlimited thing
anymore so most people are not going to just run them for free for you
On 3/2/2011 10:05 PM, Joe Sasser wrote:
it's not on e-bay, it's a referral from a long-time friend of mine, who I
trust. Was just hoping for some info on it before I leave to go pick it up.
Thanks
On Mar 2, 2011, at 8:37 PM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 12:11:53 -0500
From: Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody got a carfax?
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1986 560SEC?
At what point in the listing process does eBay give you a Carfax?
Is it before you finalize the listing?
Joe Sasser wrote:
I'm making a deal on an '86 ('88...can't remember), and need to check out
what I can about it before traveling to pick it up. It's got some problems he's
already told me about, just seems like something's missing.
VIN is:WDBCA45D1GA256289.
Thanks for any/all assistance.
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Re: [MBZ] OM603 Valve Tick Diagnoses and Fix
you can send it On 3/3/2011 1:38 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Alex, I have the technology to record an MP3, I guess it would be up to Kaleb to approve it after I send it? Rolf's reply has before and after video, have you listened to that? When my tick was quiet, no one but I could hear it. I need to get a mechanic's stethoscope from Harbor Freight. -Max From: Alex Chamberlainapchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 2:15:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 Valve Tick Diagnoses and Fix On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Max Dillonmeadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: My '87 300TD has a valve tick that I want to fix. Max, is there any way you can post an audio file to the list? My 603 car has occasionally made clicky noises that seem to be coming from the vicinity of the valve cover, and I always wonder if they qualify as valve tick (of course they never happen when my indy or anyone else is around to hear). It would be nice to hear someone else's engine for corroboration. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3481 - Release Date: 03/04/11 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320, 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3483 - Release Date: 03/05/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 Valve Tick Diagnoses and Fix
I have had cars with that sound, so the fins are saying that a bad head gasket can cause that? I always just thought it was a lifter. On 3/4/2011 6:42 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Alex, have you watched the videos from the link that Rolf posted? The first has noise exactly like my car. https://picasaweb.google.com/olefejer/W124300TurboDieselUdskiftToppKning# -Max From: Alex Chamberlainapchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 2:15:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 Valve Tick Diagnoses and Fix On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Max Dillonmeadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: My '87 300TD has a valve tick that I want to fix. Max, is there any way you can post an audio file to the list? My 603 car has occasionally made clicky noises that seem to be coming from the vicinity of the valve cover, and I always wonder if they qualify as valve tick (of course they never happen when my indy or anyone else is around to hear). It would be nice to hear someone else's engine for corroboration. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3481 - Release Date: 03/04/11 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320, 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3483 - Release Date: 03/05/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] compression testing
It depends on the tester and the adapter you are using. They have adapters for either the glow plug or injector holes. You dont want the engine to start so you have to have the fuel shut off by holding down the stop leaver while cranking. You usually use a remote start switch for this or have someone crank from inside car while you are holding the leaver and checking the readings on the guage. On 3/4/2011 12:00 PM, R A Bennell wrote: The thread on the tick suggested compression testing and that got me to wondering about doing one. Anyone have good advice on testing an old 300D 115 normally aspirated engine? Am I correct that one must remove the injectors and use those holes for the tester? What happens with the diesel fuel that should then be shooting out all over at high pressure when one is testing? How does one stop that? I bought a compression tester a couple of years back but it is sitting in the tool box and has yet to be used. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3481 - Release Date: 03/04/11 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320, 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3483 - Release Date: 03/05/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] compression testing
I just remember how I do 61x engines thru the glow plug hole. I remove the entire injector line assembly and keep the ports on the ip covered with a rag to keep fuel from shooting way up while cranking. On 3/4/2011 3:31 PM, Rolf wrote: You need a 27mm deepsocket and it has to be really deep, the ones at autozoo will not do the trick. Kobalt from lowes did. I evenetually bought the hazet proper tool for the job. You ream anytime you take the gp out. I like using the injector holes as it requires less work IMO. The heat shields can be problematic to get out if they are stuck but usually turning over the engine will pop them out, watch it as sometimes they have quite the velocity. Engine should be warm and you should give it a full 8 cycles. I disagree with the statement about the quantity of fuel that comes out. It is certainly enough to spray high. Whatever happens make sure you dont get subcutaneous injection of diesel or you will have to have said appendage removed! -Rolf On 03/04/2011 04:01 PM, R A Bennell wrote: Thanks guys. Good to know. Anything else you can think of that I need to know? I think I bought the spacers, shields, whatever they are called that one puts in behind the injectors so would replace them too I guess. Any likelyhood that I will have trouble getting the injectors out? I seem to recall people talking about carbon etc. Or am I confusing that with the glowplugs? When does one use the reamer doodad? Does my engine have the removable pre-combustion chambers or whatevers behind the injectors (sorry but I am not sure that is what they are called). Do I recall someone talking about slidehammers to remove? Why would one remove them?? Lots of questions and very little knowledge except for what I hear on here as this is my one and only diesel and I do not have any local friends who have done this sort of thing. Randy On 04/03/2011 12:11 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Max Dillon wrote: Randy, Very little diesel fuel will dribble out of the injector lines when cranking the engine with the fuel rack at the idle position. The injector is required at the end of that fuel line to build the pressure up for a quick high pressure spray. And if you put a mityvac on the shutoff solenoid or hold down the stop lever, there should be no fuel dripping. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3481 - Release Date: 03/04/11 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320, 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3483 - Release Date: 03/05/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Change of plans: restoring Marlene Diederich... a new blog
I am thinking you probably do not have a Castle Doctrine in the great state of Connecticut? --R On 3/5/2011 9:43 AM, toms cat1 wrote: I was left with the feeling that he wasn't so much interested in buying the car as he was in 'casing the joint.Good grief, who needs that? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '78 240D clutch rod
Curt Raymond wrote: I think what I need now is the measurement off your existing, not-in-the-car rod since it sounds like the opposite of what I have. Attached - or rather, available for collection from the list host site - are a couple images. These are both of the cylinder/rod that I removed from the '80. This is the rod I determined was too long to work with the cylinder/piston I took out of the '81. -- Philip -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: clutch_w123-master-cylinder_2011-02-28--001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 393263 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20110305/4645fbf6/attachment-0002.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: clutch_w123-rod-2011-02-28--006.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 874626 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20110305/4645fbf6/attachment-0003.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Change of plans: restoring Marlene Diederich... a new blog
about 24 hours later, on Sunday, a truck with three strange guys arrives in my driveway around 2pm. I am thinking what the hell is this? Thieves. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Change of plans: restoring Marlene Diederich... a new blog
leaping into the 21st Century...I have started a blog I like my 20th-century blog. Can search it with grep! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] compression testing
Anyone have good advice on testing an old 300D 115 normally aspirated engine? Can look at how I did the Albatross: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb240d.html#6May2006 Am I correct that one must remove the injectors and use those holes for the tester? Glow plug holes are easier. What happens with the diesel fuel that should then be shooting out all over at high pressure when one is testing? How does one stop that? Knob-start or key-start? Either way lash the IP's shutoff lever into the off position. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '78 240D clutch rod
The '78 slave is different than the '83 slave, as to why I couldn't say... They are not interchangeable, the holes won't line up to put the later slave on my car. As the question 2, no, in fact I have to squish the rod down a little to get the bolt to line up at the top of the pedal. Thats why I'd assumed the rod I have is too long, if it were shorter it seems to me the action part of the pedal would move down into the normal range. -Curt Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 14:20:00 -0500 From: MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '78 240D clutch rod Message-ID: 4d713b60.7000...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt, You finally said something that clicked with me. Is the slave cylinder in this car smaller or larger in bore and length of bore then the slave cylinder in the car that the master cylinder came out of? Also, if the rod isn't connected to the pedal can you pull up on the peddle and raise it higher then the position it is in with the rod connected? Or did we go over this while I wasn't paying attention in class? Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 64, Issue 16
I didn't know they had discontinued that service. Thanks so much for the information, you've been most helpful. On Mar 5, 2011, at 9:18 AM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: Message: 3 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 08:47:08 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody got a carfax? Message-ID: 4d724cec.3050...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Go to carfax and get one then. They dont do the unlimited thing anymore so most people are not going to just run them for free for you ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '78 240D clutch rod
I've always wanted to do this ;) BZZZTTT! Wrong! The '78 uses a different slave, the bolt holes don't line up. I spent probably an hour under the car trying to make it work. '78 is indeed a 123, I think they started in '77 but its got some transitional elements, the throttle pedal actuates on the wrong side of the engine for instance... You're right that the later 123 clutch slave is the same as the 201 but the EARLY 123 uses the same as the 115 which is different. To see this in action go to Rusty's site and look up a '75 240D, a '78 240D (which shows both) and an '85 190D. -Curt Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 16:36:40 -0500 From: Rolf r...@winmutt.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '78 240D clutch rod Message-ID: 4d715b68.6090...@winmutt.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I have mixed and matched slave cylinders from all kinds of w123's with no ill effect. They should all be the same. If you have a longer one it is from the v8 as the bellhousing placement pull its further away. Infact right now I believe both the slave and master on my 123 are from 201. I assume the 78 is a 123? All 123 pedal assemblies mix and match as well. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Change of plans: restoring Marlene Diederich... a new blog
Awesome! We should have an outing at your place come spring and we can all complete some task to aid you on your way. Its always easier with urging. Let me know if you need any help. -Curt Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 18:22:36 -0500 From: toms cat1 tomsc...@hotmail.com To: mercedes diesel mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Change of plans: restoring Marlene Diederich... a new blog Message-ID: bay151-w48d213d0441a3b852fa4af8d...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I nearly sold my 1975 W115 300D last week, but I got annoyed with a no-show buyer so I have reconsidered the whole thing. Bottom line: I love the car too much to part with it. So I have a new project, and... leaping into the 21st Century with my son Brian's urging, I have started a blog to chronicle the process. I have even given her a name, finally, as you will see. That is a first for me. Please cut me some slack on this blog stuff, since it is all new to me, being a 20th---and sometimes a 19th--- Century guy. But, damn the torpedoes Full Steam Ahead! (Rear Admiral David G. Farragut, lashed to the rigging of the USS Hartford at the Battle of Mobile Bay, August 5, 1864). http://mercedesdieselrebuildingdiederich.blogspot.com/ Tom Schuch SE Connecticut 1975 W115 300D Marlene Diederich and all those BMWs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Car pr0n
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/03/geneva-motor-show/ I think the Renault Captur is for Wilton --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '78 240D clutch rod
I'm not sure thats true, what is in my car now is a matched set from my '83 240D into the '78 240D and I've always had my pedal level problem. My theory is that the rod goes with the pedal assembly... Rusty sez (and I forgot to call him yesterday, drat!) that MB superceeded the 2 different clutch MCs with just one and 2 different rods depending on which car you have. -Curt Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 00:22:34 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '78 240D clutch rod Message-ID: 20110305002234.3af3c6b5.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Rolf wrote: I have mixed and matched slave cylinders from all kinds of w123's with no ill effect. They should all be the same. If you have a longer one it is from the v8 as the bellhousing placement pull its further away. Infact right now I believe both the slave and master on my 123 are from 201. I assume the 78 is a 123? All 123 pedal assemblies mix and match as well. But not sub-assemblies. As a pair, the clutch master cylinder and pedal rod can be swapped with another. But only as a match pair. Rod from one and a cylinder from another could result in a pedal to piston distance mismatch. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Change of plans: restoring Marlene Diederich... a new blog
Jim wrote: Thieves. Four years ago when I bought my euro '84 240D with clutch, I also received 4 additional bundt rims with tires mounted. Instead of taking up room in the garage or basement, we kept them outside behind the evergreen bushes up against the house. The car was driven home in December. So, 4 months later in early Spring one morning, some pick-up truck came by and stole those 4 wheels. We have no idea how they knew our stash, as these are evergreens and these rims with tires were well hid. Thieves. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '78 240D clutch rod
Curt wrote: Rusty sez (and I forgot to call him yesterday, drat!) that MB superceeded the 2 different clutch MCs with just one and 2 different rods depending on which car you have. I will be interested to see what parts work. I know that the only master that I could use was the dealer - my labor (son) was not going to waste his time if I did not purchase dealer part - which worked. He had already wasted 6 hours trying to fit non dealer part. Problem was the cylinder bleed port could not be attained with cylinder mounted - perhaps it needed the shorter rod, I don't recall. And then, we did the slave. Again, I wasn't going to waste my labor time - my deal is I purchase dealer parts, or I do the labor. Even then, the dealer did not have the correct part, but the slave was easier to get to and without any removal labor, it was determined that the dealer part was wrong, so the car came off the lift. A call to Classic center arrived at proper part number and lower cost at dealer. The correct slave for me looks much like the '85 190D slave at Rusty site - i.e. mount holes appear offset from center of cylinder, whereas '78 mount holes are in line with center of cylinder. My car is '84 euro 240D with clutch. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car pr0n
Oh, yeah. 'Wonder if I could put wheels like that on my black 350SDL. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 10:31 AM Subject: [MBZ] Car pr0n http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/03/geneva-motor-show/ I think the Renault Captur is for Wilton --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ
A sign of spring in NE. For anyone on the list who flies in we will pick you up at the airport and give you a free loaner Benz to drive to the picnic. Same great fun as ChowdaQ I-III. ChowdaQIV A celebration of vintage Mercedes Benz and other interesting vehicles Saturday September 10, 2011 Goddard State Park 1095 Ives Road, Warwick, Rhode Island Picnic and day of camaraderie Dwight Giles Jr. 1982 300CD 220K miles 1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles Wickford RI -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 50599 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20110305/591644a8/attachment.png ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ
How far is that from the state of Maine? I may be up there sometime but I think it would be during the summer. On 3/5/2011 11:15 AM, Dwight Giles Jr. wrote: A sign of spring in NE. For anyone on the list who flies in we will pick you up at the airport and give you a free loaner Benz to drive to the picnic. Same great fun as ChowdaQ I-III. ChowdaQIV A celebration of vintage Mercedes Benz and other interesting vehicles Saturday September 10, 2011 Goddard State Park 1095 Ives Road, Warwick, Rhode Island Picnic and day of camaraderie Dwight Giles Jr. 1982 300CD 220K miles 1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles Wickford RI -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 50599 bytes Desc: not available URL:http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20110305/591644a8/attachment.png ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3483 - Release Date: 03/05/11 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320, 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3483 - Release Date: 03/05/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Change of plans: restoring Marlene Diederich... a new blog
I knew that there had to be a story behind it! That's a great one, and good luck with your W115 300D restoration! Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ
I think that is as far away from my house as you can be without being in saltwater. Bob R On Mar 5, 2011 12:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: How far is that from the state of Maine? I may be up there sometime but I think it would be during the summer. On 3/5/2011 11:15 AM, Dwight Giles Jr. wrote: A sign of spring in NE. For anyone on the list who flies in we will pick you up at the airport and give you a free loaner Benz to drive to the picnic. Same great fun as ChowdaQ I-III. ChowdaQIV A celebration of vintage Mercedes Benz and other interesting vehicles Saturday September 10, 2011 Goddard State Park 1095 Ives Road, Warwick, Rhode Island Picnic and day of camaraderie Dwight Giles Jr. 1982 300CD 220K miles 1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles Wickford RI -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 50599 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20110305/591644a8/attachment.png ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3483 - Release Date: 03/05/11 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320, 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3483 - Release Date: 03/05/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD
I have been looking for a 1985 300TD and checked one out today. However, it's the CA version 300TD with a catalytic converter and different air cleaner. The owner says that the transmission is also different than the normal 1985s, and that the car starts in 2nd gear. I was wondering whether I could swap out this engine with the 1985 300D engine in my wagon and mate it with that (normal) 1985 transmission without a lot of custom work. Good idea or not? Anderw 1983 30TD 1985 300TD with 300D engine and regular rear suspension ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD
Should be an easy swap, the trans will bolt right up with no issues. There might be subtle gotcha! Things I don't know about though, so wait for others to chime in. Walt On Mar 5, 2011 11:23 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I have been looking for a 1985 300TD and checked one out today. However, it's the CA version 300TD with a catalytic converter and different air cleaner. The owner says that the transmission is also different than the normal 1985s, and that the car starts in 2nd gear. I was wondering whether I could swap out this engine with the 1985 300D engine in my wagon and mate it with that (normal) 1985 transmission without a lot of custom work. Good idea or not? Anderw 1983 30TD 1985 300TD with 300D engine and regular rear suspension ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] How a Norwegian farmer rescues his (diesel) tractor
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Re: [MBZ] How a Norwegian farmer rescues his (diesel) tractor
On Sun, 6 Mar 2011 00:08:49 EST relng...@aol.com wrote: www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2011/how-to-get-tractor-out-of-mud-p1.php Nice work. The comments about the tractor flipping backward are to be paid close attention. When my father was a doctor in Miles City, Montana in 1954, a fellow tried to do the same thing with his tractor, but the tractor flipped over and killed him. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How a Norwegian farmer rescues his (diesel) tractor
Dude needs some new tires. Firestone 23 degree would have gone right through that. BTDT www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2011/how-to-get-tractor-out-of-mud-p1.php ot ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD
Whether it actually starts in 2nd or not may actually be a simple misunderstanding on the part of the PO. As far as I'm aware, all of the 722.3 transmissions used in later 123 and 126 models stay in second when stopped UNTIL you touch the accelerator, whereupon they instantly kick down to first. You should be able to feel this behaviour by taking your foot off the brake at standstill and see what the creep is like vs having the shift lever in L. And frankly, on most of them the modulator and transmission are worn enough that you can feel the bump when it kicks down to first. If it doesn't kick down, the cable probably just needs adjusting. It wouldn't surprise me that the PO wouldn't be aware of the above: I've met plenty of Mercedes mechanics who didn't know it either. Personally I love the earlier transmissions that start in second and do NOT kick down unless forced, because every time it doesn't shift is one less bit of wear on that band/clutch pack. As you know, the 85 has a higher stall speed on the torque convertor, so it should be even more capable of starting in second without seeming sluggish. And you could always kick down if you needed the extra kick... But as I said, I suspect this is probably just the PO not understanding that the design is for it to be in second to prevent creep, but then to kick down immediately when you apply the accelerator... The TDM will clarify what the normal build was for that year, but I don't have it with me to check. Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I have been looking for a 1985 300TD and checked one out today. However, it's the CA version 300TD with a catalytic converter and different air cleaner. The owner says that the transmission is also different than the normal 1985s, and that the car starts in 2nd gear. I was wondering whether I could swap out this engine with the 1985 300D engine in my wagon and mate it with that (normal) 1985 transmission without a lot of custom work. Good idea or not? Anderw 1983 30TD 1985 300TD with 300D engine and regular rear suspension ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: California Version - 1985 300TD
The Albatross (240D) started exclusively in second, unless you either floored it or moved the shifter to L. If you drove around in S (as most in-town driving is best done at) it was essentially a 2-speed tranny. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
