Re: [MBZ] 201 HVAC
The HVAC system in my '83 300D was doing weird things, even after
I replaced all the units, pushbutton, temp controller, and fan speed
controller units.
Having had bench experience with the weird things low voltage can cause
a solid state system to do; (especially old solid state systems), I used a
relay and fed 12v directly to the fanspeed control module even though
voltages were normal at various points in the system. Power to the
pushbutton module and the temperature module remained the same.
The system has been working well with no problem for several months.
I ran a piece of 14ga drop cord from the 12v bus bar on the right fender
throught an existing grommet in the firewall to power the fan speed
controller
and put an inline fuse holder next to the buss.
The headlight relay coil connects to the power supply from terminal
#8(16amps) on the fuse module and the 12v line from the buss and the
positive line from the controller connect to the relay contacts. Drop cord
has a very tough covering and I've found it to be ideal in running extra
wiring; especially through the firewall since one size of grommet fits it
snugly.
If your system is anything like a 123, splitting the power supply might be
worth trying.
Gerry
'83 300D and 240D
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From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net
Anybody have any in-depth experience with the early ('86) 201 HVAC
controller? Mine refuses to turn off the water valve so it's
always heating, and I've 100% proven that it is the HVAC box
that's not activating the vacuum solenoid, everything downstream
of there works perfectly if it's jumpered manually. The only
other symptom is that the automatic AC compressor setting is
equivalent to off, you have to use the ON/DEF AC button to turn
it on. Other than that the system seems to be working properly.
I've followed my own checklist to ensure that all the inputs to
the unit are reasonable, specifically the four analog inputs
(3 temps and the blend flap feedback pot) appear to be OK.
A junkyard unit (spare) does _exactly_ the same thing.
Coincidence? Unrecognized external problem? Common failure?
I've resoldered it, and dug far enough into the thing to prove
that it's not a fried output. (If I ground the - input of
the op-amp that ultimately drives the water valve it will engage
the valve and turn off the auxiliary pump, as it should. It's
a control problem of some sort. On the bench the blend flap
and AC control outputs work, and react to the external inputs
and the control dial. Just no heat-off ability.
-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 300SD/450SEL same door seals
Allan Streib wrote: Is it right that the W116 300SD and 450SEL would have the same door seals? Not if they've got molded corners, unless you're supposed to cut a few inches out of the back seals, top and bottom. Until I saw the eBay pic, I was thinking it was just a roll of door gasket long enough to do four LWB doors. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD/450SEL same door seals
I should have read the whole listing before replying. $122 for a set of used door seals out of a 30 year old car? I don't think so. OTOH, the front seals are $80each new, and you'd have to call Rusty for price/availability on the rears. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Balky flasher switch or relay in W123 300TD
Does the W123 have electronics in the flasher, too? I don't think so. The switch contains the flasher in the 114/115, as does the early 107 (etc.) 'candy bar' flasher switch. The smaller red rocker switch does not contain the flasher. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: 201 HVAC
If your system is anything like a 123, splitting the power supply might be worth trying. They're really quite different, I don't at this time suspect that kind of power problem, the internal guts of the HVAC box is powered by an internal 8V regulator. Gotta go down a lot to get underneath that! Besides, this box doesn't even work right on the bench. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD/450SEL same door seals
Make sure they came off without tearing. It's a steal if they fit your car. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: I should have read the whole listing before replying. $122 for a set of used door seals out of a 30 year old car? I don't think so. OTOH, the front seals are $80each new, and you'd have to call Rusty for price/availability on the rears. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Balky flasher switch or relay in W123 300TD
So Jim - where is the flasher, and what needs to be replaced or fixed if the flasher works intermittently? The relay or the switch? I am getting confused again... On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Does the W123 have electronics in the flasher, too? I don't think so. The switch contains the flasher in the 114/115, as does the early 107 (etc.) 'candy bar' flasher switch. The smaller red rocker switch does not contain the flasher. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Balky flasher switch or relay in W123 300TD
So Jim - where is the flasher, and what needs to be replaced or fixed if the flasher works intermittently? The relay or the switch? I am getting confused again... Don't be confused. As for the flasher's location, let me tell you I don't know. (Gotta imagine Tevye saying that there.) Follow the clicking? Anyway, 90% of the time flashing problems are the switch. Make sure that is right first, and only then chase down the flasher relay. The switches can be easily disassembled and cleaned. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD is this an OK car?
But a 14 head is not a conviction. All of my 603s have or have had 14 heads. My original SDL was the best running of all and had over 400K on the 14 head. The last time this came up, the general discussion was that if the 14 head survived this long, it would probably live out its life. (Provided it is not overheated) all the rest have 200 to 300 K on them. I have never had the head off a 60x yet. Look for signs of leaking head gasket and signs of a cracked head. Wow, now that is the answer I was looking for! Thank you. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 30, 2011, at 8:16 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: In the middle of the part number on the head is a two digit code -- the original is -14-. the first improved head is -17- and the best version is the -22- one. They crack through from the combustion chamber to the coolant and or oil passages, causing the usual results -- overheating, coolant use, etc. The head gaskets also fail pretty often, between cylinders and from cooling passages or oil return to the outside, resulting in leaks. Worst failure is between the oil passage across the front of the block -- failure here allows oil to enter the #1 cylinder under pressure. If enough gets in there, the #1 rod gets bent. All the bits from the -14- head will fit the -22-, with the proviso that it may be necessary to machine the pre-chambers to clear the bottom of the large hole in the heads. The correct ones, with inclined injectors, are a bit shorter at the shoulder, and if they don't fit correctly the pre-chamber will leak compression at the upper seal, usually badly enough that the engine will not run. Always use all new head bolts, they often fail when re-used, as I discovered on my old 300D. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
utilized as a gasoline additive for its oxygen content and octane rating Now that is an interesting statement. I say bullshit. Mike On Aug 4, 2011 10:38 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines by Staff Writers Washington (UPI) Aug 3, 2011 Plans to use existing U.S. pipelines to carry increasing ethanol production poses the problem the fuel can dramatically degrade them, researchers say. Scientists at the National Institute of Standards and Technology warn that ethanol, and especially the bacteria sometimes found in it, can worsen fatigue crack growth rates by 25 times the rate in air alone. Researchers evaluated fatigue-related cracking in two common pipeline steels exposed to ethanol mixtures, including simulated fuel-grade ethanol and an ethanol-water solution containing common bacteria, an NIST release said Wednesday. Substantial increases in crack growth rates were caused by the microbes, NIST researcher Jeffrey Sowards said. These are important data for pipeline engineers who want to safely and reliably transport ethanol fuel in re-purposed oil and gas pipelines. The tests were performed on common pipeline steels, which are alloys of more than a dozen metals. Ethanol, an alcohol that can be derived from corn, is often utilized as a gasoline additive for its oxygen content and octane rating. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trip update
Both had A/c, and it didn't make much difference. But you missed the point. It was just a tease to Kaleb because he was happy with the mileage of his 210. I'd be happy with the mileage he got in a 210. Basically the same as the list standard: It is a POS; better dump it; I'll give you $500 for the POS. Yeah, but they were both manny trannies, those engines were half to 2/3 the displacement, most likely with no AC. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR -Original Message- From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trip update That's not very good for a Diesel. The Quantum got 45 fully loaded and the Escort got 50. Leaving dayton headed toward niagra. Just filled up 34.4 mpg. Now that's what I'm talking about Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] There is no substitute for cubic inches, unquote
Pretty much the same (in terms of displacement) as the old frod/murcuric 170 of the 60s. Just a lot more refined and more power. ...We are not in a vw we are in a real car with lots of metal and a big 6cyl engine... I wouldn't call 180 cubic inches big, exactly. Adequate is more like it. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Balky flasher switch or relay in W123 300TD
On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 07:01:59 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: So Jim - where is the flasher, and what needs to be replaced or fixed if the flasher works intermittently? The relay or the switch? I am getting confused again... Don't be confused. As for the flasher's location, let me tell you I don't know. (Gotta imagine Tevye saying that there.) Follow the clicking? As I said earlier, I thought it was the small ice-cube like thing under the wooden console cover. If you take the wooden console cover off, you will find a small cube with wires that go to it. That cube clicks when the turn signals are used. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
One of the reasons it was added was to add oxygen to the fuel to achieve reduced CO emission. I don't know how it might affect octane rating, which is an indicator of resistance to pre-ignition. Originally MBTE was used until it was discovered that it has a tendency to contaminate groundwater/drinking water as a result of spills and leaky storage tanks and pipelines. Ethanol then became the favored additive for oxygenation. Allan On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 10:41 -0400, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: utilized as a gasoline additive for its oxygen content and octane rating Now that is an interesting statement. I say bullshit. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 14 wheels on Craigslist
http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/pts/2531370992.html Gotta clean up the yard... I'd do $125 for one of youse guys. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Balky flasher switch or relay in W123 300TD
Andrew wrote: Capacitors in the relay? Jim Cathey wrote: That could also be the case. (Or bad solder joints, etc.) But always check the switch first, it's out in harm's way. Craig wrote: I know our W115 220D/8 had electronics in the flasher, because it was a part of the four-way flasher switch and was a sizeable box with a relay. When it stopped working, I took it apart and fixed it. Does the W123 have electronics in the flasher, too? I thought it was the small ice-cube like thing under the wooden console cover. Early W123s it's combined. On my cars the ones with the push-button flasher switch have the electronics in it. By '81 or so they use the new style with a rocker switch. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Balky flasher switch or relay in W123 300TD
My '80 240D (bought new Nov '79) had rocker switch on the flasher in center console. Wilton - Original Message - From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Balky flasher switch or relay in W123 300TD Andrew wrote: Capacitors in the relay? Jim Cathey wrote: That could also be the case. (Or bad solder joints, etc.) But always check the switch first, it's out in harm's way. Craig wrote: I know our W115 220D/8 had electronics in the flasher, because it was a part of the four-way flasher switch and was a sizeable box with a relay. When it stopped working, I took it apart and fixed it. Does the W123 have electronics in the flasher, too? I thought it was the small ice-cube like thing under the wooden console cover. Early W123s it's combined. On my cars the ones with the push-button flasher switch have the electronics in it. By '81 or so they use the new style with a rocker switch. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Old-style VIN decode?
Is anyone able to tell me the month/year of manufacture of this VIN: 11612012003594 Thanks, Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Old-style VIN decode?
I thought the EPC would give me the datacard, but no luck. It does recognize the chassis from the SN, but the datacard option is grayed out. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Is anyone able to tell me the month/year of manufacture of this VIN: 11612012003594 Thanks, Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Heater swap
I was wondering if it is possible to swap out manual heater controls from a 240d into my 300d to replace the automatic stuff? I like the old playschool knobs my 82 240 had much better. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Heater swap
Now there's an idea I really like. I miss the simplicity of my 240D's. Dwight 82 300CD(with flaky ACC) 90 300D 2.5t Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 17:30:11 To: Mercedes Discussion ListMercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Heater swap I was wondering if it is possible to swap out manual heater controls from a 240d into my 300d to replace the automatic stuff? I like the old playschool knobs my 82 240 had much better. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Balky flasher switch or relay in W123 300TD
I found two spare console flasher switches in the garage. Swapped one of them and tested - nothing - dead! The other had the same part number but was not as deep (tall). That one worked We'll test its reliability in the next heat wave, starting Monday. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:28 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: My '80 240D (bought new Nov '79) had rocker switch on the flasher in center console. Wilton - Original Message - From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Balky flasher switch or relay in W123 300TD Andrew wrote: Capacitors in the relay? Jim Cathey wrote: That could also be the case. (Or bad solder joints, etc.) But always check the switch first, it's out in harm's way. Craig wrote: I know our W115 220D/8 had electronics in the flasher, because it was a part of the four-way flasher switch and was a sizeable box with a relay. When it stopped working, I took it apart and fixed it. Does the W123 have electronics in the flasher, too? I thought it was the small ice-cube like thing under the wooden console cover. Early W123s it's combined. On my cars the ones with the push-button flasher switch have the electronics in it. By '81 or so they use the new style with a rocker switch. -- Philip __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Heater swap
On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 17:30:11 -0400 Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering if it is possible to swap out manual heater controls from a 240d into my 300d to replace the automatic stuff? I like the old playschool knobs my 82 240 had much better. If you have a source for all the right parts (which is probably more parts than you would think, i.e., you probably need to have a donor 240D that you are going to leave incapacitated), you should be able to make the swap. I found that out when I changed our 240D with an automatic transmission to a naturally-aspirated 300D with a manual transmission. With the major parts from a donor and smaller bits and wear items from Rusty, everything bolted right together and fit the chassis without problems. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Balky flasher switch or relay in W123 300TD
WILTON wrote: Craig wrote: Does the W123 have electronics in the flasher, too? I thought it was the small ice-cube like thing under the wooden console cover. Philip wrote: Early W123s it's combined. On my cars the ones with the push-button flasher switch have the electronics in it. By '81 or so they use the new style with a rocker switch. Wilton wrote: My '80 240D (bought new Nov '79) had rocker switch on the flasher in center console. Interesting. Among my cars: 1978 240D push switch 1980-12 240D push switch 1981-05 300TD push switch 1981-12 240D rocker 1982+ allrocker -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Heater swap
Michael Canfield wrote: I was wondering if it is possible to swap out manual heater controls from a 240d into my 300d to replace the automatic stuff? I like the old playschool knobs my 82 240 had much better. Me too! But it's not just the controls. The manual system uses twin heater cores and twin flow valves. I think that means the number of holes in the firewall don't match. I suspect the rest would be a fairly straight forward swap if all the parts are available. I have had a manual control car stripped down that far, but not an ACC so it's just a guess. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD/450SEL same door seals
Used seals? No way... Maybe this guy has some brake rotors for sale too... Jaime On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Is it right that the W116 300SD and 450SEL would have the same door seals? I didn't think the SD was a long wheelbase? Is this a good price? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/73-80-Mercedes-300SD-450SEL-W116-Door-Rubber-Seals-4X-/110720921105#ht_500wt_751 -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD/450SEL same door seals
Maybe some used brake pads and used hoses as well? In all honesty, if you divided the used door seal price by 5, I'd consider it, since that's ~ what a set of junkyard seals run in my neck of the woods. Walt On Aug 5, 2011 6:18 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Used seals? No way... Maybe this guy has some brake rotors for sale too... Jaime On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Is it right that the W116 300SD and 450SEL would have the same door seals? I didn't think the SD was a long wheelbase? Is this a good price? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/73-80-Mercedes-300SD-450SEL-W116-Door-Rubber-Seals-4X-/110720921105#ht_500wt_751 -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Heater swap
On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 17:07:29 -0500 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: But it's not just the controls. The manual system uses twin heater cores and twin flow valves. I think that means the number of holes in the firewall don't match. I suspect the rest would be a fairly straight forward swap if all the parts are available. I have had a manual control car stripped down that far, but not an ACC so it's just a guess. I would expect that a W123 body is a W123 body regardless of what model it ends up being and that unused holes and such are plugged. As I mentioned, turning a 240D into a 300D as far as the drivetrain was concerned was straightforward, though a lot of work. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
Allan wrote: Originally MBTE was used until it was discovered that it has a tendency to contaminate groundwater/drinking water as a result of spills and leaky storage tanks and pipelines. Ethanol then became the favored additive for oxygenation. The industry has gotten smarter. Today, even with reports of similar contamination of groundwater sources, hydro-fracking gets a pass. All in the name of national self-sufficiency paying no attention to our bloated hydrocarbon use. Certainly there are better ways to kill our bloated uses. Not electric - merely fewer drivers. My guess is over half the drivers in cars these days are incapable as drivers, so we make ABS, ASR, etc so we can keep darwin-award people alive. Sounds stoopid to me, but I guess I'm just a luddite. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 201 HVAC
Any caps in the works that could have failed, or had their ESR rating
fluctuate? Not just electrolytics.
Any critical feedback resistors that could have drifted over time?
Did you throw the scope on the thing at various points along the signal
paths, checking each stage?
Conformal coat changing capacitence due to water uptake?
Just some random musings.
Walt
On Aug 4, 2011 11:25 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:
Anybody have any in-depth experience with the early ('86) 201 HVAC
controller? Mine refuses to turn off the water valve so it's
always heating, and I've 100% proven that it is the HVAC box
that's not activating the vacuum solenoid, everything downstream
of there works perfectly if it's jumpered manually. The only
other symptom is that the automatic AC compressor setting is
equivalent to off, you have to use the ON/DEF AC button to turn
it on. Other than that the system seems to be working properly.
I've followed my own checklist to ensure that all the inputs to
the unit are reasonable, specifically the four analog inputs
(3 temps and the blend flap feedback pot) appear to be OK.
A junkyard unit (spare) does _exactly_ the same thing.
Coincidence? Unrecognized external problem? Common failure?
I've resoldered it, and dug far enough into the thing to prove
that it's not a fried output. (If I ground the - input of
the op-amp that ultimately drives the water valve it will engage
the valve and turn off the auxiliary pump, as it should. It's
a control problem of some sort. On the bench the blend flap
and AC control outputs work, and react to the external inputs
and the control dial. Just no heat-off ability.
-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 300SD/450SEL same door seals
I bet he has used FUSES. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 18:18:40 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD/450SEL same door seals Used seals? No way... Maybe this guy has some brake rotors for sale too... Jaime On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Is it right that the W116 300SD and 450SEL would have the same door seals? I didn't think the SD was a long wheelbase? Is this a good price? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/73-80-Mercedes-300SD-450SEL-W116-Door-Rubber-Seals-4X-/110720921105#ht_500wt_751 -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Balky flasher switch or relay in W123 300TD
I don't know about the W123, but on my W115, the flasher relay is *separate* from the hazard switch (though if the switch fails, you lose ALL flashing...). Stuart S. Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 05:11:10 -0700 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Balky flasher switch or relay in W123 300TD Message-ID: 01cb65da-bf5c-11e0-9000-000502d9a...@windwireless.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Does the W123 have electronics in the flasher, too? I don't think so. The switch contains the flasher in the 114/115, as does the early 107 (etc.) 'candy bar' flasher switch. The smaller red rocker switch does not contain the flasher. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Balky flasher switch or relay in W123 300TD
Hey, maybe my 80 240D did have a push switch (not rocker) on the flasher in center console. Wilton - Original Message - From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Balky flasher switch or relay in W123 300TD WILTON wrote: Craig wrote: Does the W123 have electronics in the flasher, too? I thought it was the small ice-cube like thing under the wooden console cover. Philip wrote: Early W123s it's combined. On my cars the ones with the push-button flasher switch have the electronics in it. By '81 or so they use the new style with a rocker switch. Wilton wrote: My '80 240D (bought new Nov '79) had rocker switch on the flasher in center console. Interesting. Among my cars: 1978 240D push switch 1980-12 240D push switch 1981-05 300TD push switch 1981-12 240D rocker 1982+ allrocker -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD/450SEL same door seals
Selling used seals? Why didn't I think of that? BTW, I may have a used 126 hood pad for sale soon. 'May be in several pieces when I get it off, though. Wilton - Original Message - From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD/450SEL same door seals Maybe some used brake pads and used hoses as well? In all honesty, if you divided the used door seal price by 5, I'd consider it, since that's ~ what a set of junkyard seals run in my neck of the woods. Walt On Aug 5, 2011 6:18 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Used seals? No way... Maybe this guy has some brake rotors for sale too... Jaime On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Is it right that the W116 300SD and 450SEL would have the same door seals? I didn't think the SD was a long wheelbase? Is this a good price? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/73-80-Mercedes-300SD-450SEL-W116-Door-Rubber-Seals-4X-/110720921105#ht_500wt_751 -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Dc update
Rode the metro down, first stop was the archives got in but line to the rotunda looked like was hours long so gave up. Went thru the natural history museum, then walked down to the white house. I had checked obambo schedule just to see if I could see anything and he was leaving for camp David at 3:50 so we hung out for a few minutes at the fence of the south lawn and sure enough I saw them rolling out the round red deals for the chopper, about that time they kicked everyone out of the area and we had to move way back to that field between the white house and Washington monument. Even though I can't stand obambo it was cool to see the chopper fly in and out of there. After that walked down to the air and space museum then toward the capital. Very worn out. Would have liked to seen the Lincoln memorial and that stuff on that side. Maybe on the way out of town we can drive down there any maybe find a parking spot close to those Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dc update
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
Don't know about the oxygen part, haven't done any research on it, but the octane part is correct. Alcohol burns a lot slower then gasoline. (What you never used an alcohol lamp and blow pipe to produce a pin point flame in science class? Try that with gas! IF you are suicidal.) That is what a higher octane number means, slower burning. The ping or detonation in a cylinder is just the gasoline/air mixture burning too fast (exploding, and yes flame front propagation in an engine is a lot more involved then that but those are the basics). Increasing the octane involves reducing the burning speed of the gas/air mixture. Since alcohol burns slower anything it is mixed with burns slower overall. Unfortunately it takes more alcohol to do that then some other chemicals so over all there is less heat or energy released per gallon. Less energy less MPG the downside to using alcohol as an octane booster. Manfred Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:41:29 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines Message-ID: CALHJ_1Bg2Rmjq+H6c-yd+jS3g=bk07mn6tlz8qnpqoqmgos...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 utilized as a gasoline additive for its oxygen content and octane rating Now that is an interesting statement. I say bullshit. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dc update
Maybe I should go down there tonight Sent from my iPhone On Aug 5, 2011, at 8:04 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Maybe on the way out of town we can drive down there any maybe FIND A PARKING SPOT close to those Is Kaleb setting his goals a wee bit high here? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD/450SEL same door seals
Maybe this guy has some brake rotors for sale too... Maybe some used brake pads and used hoses as well? Selling used seals? Why didn't I think of that? Good used seals for a coupe, maybe. They used to be pricey, if they are even still available. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dc update
You can spend weeks down on the mall and not see everything! We've been out there pretty often since 1968 when my Aunt decided to stay (working for the State Department) and have toured ourselves silly and only scratched the surface. You should also tty to get to the new Aero-Space Museum out by Dulles, it's huge. And don't forget the War Memorials. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dc update
Every America should see the Vietnam War Memorial Wall, study those 58,000 names on it and think about how they got there. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dc update You can spend weeks down on the mall and not see everything! We've been out there pretty often since 1968 when my Aunt decided to stay (working for the State Department) and have toured ourselves silly and only scratched the surface. You should also tty to get to the new Aero-Space Museum out by Dulles, it's huge. And don't forget the War Memorials. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dc update
Amen Wilton. There was a huge howl when the design was chosen, but I think it is perfect. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
If that was the only downside we would have some reason to be happy.. it's not. Ethanol production has gone into direct conflict with our human food chain. It's driven food prices up over 20%, consumed producing farm land, and in general messed with fuel production by complication of the blending/refinery production process. Fuel costs more, food cost more, and we pay higher taxes by virtue of higher fuel costs [$1 a gallon fuel pays less tax that $4 a gallon fuel] so we get double hammered. Make that tripple hammered, since the new fuel gets less mileage even though it costs more. Even worse, Ethanol from food grains is grossly lacking in efficency. Return per pound of grain to BTU of energy is on an alarmingly low rate while cost to plant goes up almost geometric. Second generation production of Ethanol from waste bio mass product such as grass clippings and corn stalks, or wood chips is likely decades away. It is yet another government mandated, poorly planned, poorly executed, burden on the public. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 5:34 PM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: Don't know about the oxygen part, haven't done any research on it, but the octane part is correct. Alcohol burns a lot slower then gasoline. (What you never used an alcohol lamp and blow pipe to produce a pin point flame in science class? Try that with gas! IF you are suicidal.) That is what a higher octane number means, slower burning. The ping or detonation in a cylinder is just the gasoline/air mixture burning too fast (exploding, and yes flame front propagation in an engine is a lot more involved then that but those are the basics). Increasing the octane involves reducing the burning speed of the gas/air mixture. Since alcohol burns slower anything it is mixed with burns slower overall. Unfortunately it takes more alcohol to do that then some other chemicals so over all there is less heat or energy released per gallon. Less energy less MPG the downside to using alcohol as an octane booster. Manfred Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:41:29 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines Message-ID: CALHJ_1Bg2Rmjq+H6c-yd+jS3g=bK**07mn6tLZ8QNPqoqMgos4+A@mail.**gmail.combk07mn6tlz8qnpqoqmgos4%...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 utilized as a gasoline additive for its oxygen content and octane rating Now that is an interesting statement. I say bullshit. Mike __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MTBE
...Originally MBTE was used until it was discovered that it has a tendency to contaminate groundwater/drinking water as a result of spills and leaky storage tanks and pipelines. Ethanol then became the favored additive for oxygenation... MTBE was used only in a few states although I don't know the precise number. Alaska and Montana stopped using it for another reason. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dc update
HA! I did it once! On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Maybe on the way out of town we can drive down there any maybe FIND A PARKING SPOT close to those Is Kaleb setting his goals a wee bit high here? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
Like many other things - follow the money. Last I heard, the industry was driving the ethanol mandate, congress just did what they were paid to do. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 8:58 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: It is yet another government mandated, poorly planned, poorly executed, burden on the public. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 14 wheels on Craigslist
Will not fit 124's or post mid 85 201's but will fit 123's and 126's. Hendrik who has a set of those in the shed, which should be flogged off Curt Raymond wrote: http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/pts/2531370992.html Gotta clean up the yard... I'd do $125 for one of youse guys. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
