Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables
Dieselhead wrote: Sounds like turntable, receiver/amp, audacity is the thing. Pain in the butt to have to separate tracks and add titles and such. It's not really too bad if you know the tricks 0. Set the time display to CDDA frames from the pop-up menu at the bottom of the window. This is OPTIONAL - important only for creating a CUE file. See 5.2. 1. Record the whole disk to one file 2. Add a label track. Tracks Add new... Label track. 3. Move, zoom, position the playhead, play, etc as necessary to figure out exactly where you want a track to start. 4. Click on the label track at this position. Type in the song or LP-track name. This text will become the filename for this track, so treat it accordingly. (lower case, no spaces, artist-disk-track, etc) 5. Once all the songs are labeled, export them as separate files using File Export Multiple... This will create a separate file for each section between the labels in your big file. 5.1. From the dialog box you can even choose to let Audacity create your MP3 files - if you have the LAME library install and actually care to _use_ MP3. Or choose OGG, or flac, or wav. 6. At the same time, you could export a text file that describes the starttime of each song. This is the data needed to create a CUE file. But if want a CUE file, do yourself a favor and set Snap To on and choose CDDA frame A CUE file is used to tell the CD burning program where to place the breaks between CD tracks. Handy, but not critical unless you want a CD with no silence between songs. Pink Floyd is good for doing that sort of thing. 7. I use replay-gain to adjust the level of the songs to a consistent _perceptual_ level. With flac, ogg, or mp3 this is done with a tag so no audio is changed. With a .wav, the actual audio level can be adjusted. I don't know of anyway to calculate replay-gain from within Audacity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replay_Gain http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=ReplayGain_specification --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HP TouchPad
Unfortunately not. I saw it as an embedded link that when clicked on revealed the message text and accompanying HTML. Hmm. Dan On Feb 25, 2012, at 10:09 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Came through fine. It was just HTML instead of plain text. I would think there is a tweak in the email program for that. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Volt Owner
Gerry wrote: I sent the Fox News article to a friend who has owned a Volt for 3 or 4 months. This lady is a medical research tech and her husband is a microbiologist. Both are dedicated to extreme accuracy so I wouldn't question their math. This is her reply: Thanks for sending. When I read over a DOLLAR per kwh I knew something was wrong with the article. We pay about 10 CENTS per kwh and snopes said the national average is about 12 cents. It costs us about a dollar to charge the battery vs $18 in article. We go 45 to 50 miles for a dollar charge up, not 25 miles for $18. Somebody made up some atrocious math. You can go down to 25 miles per charge if it is very cold or you go very fast. We drove the car about 400 miles last week without charging and averaged about 45 mi per gallon because is was mostly on gas. On battery alone then charge up at night and never use gas we get almost 100 mpg equivalent. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/chevyvolt.asp --- Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors. For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. 270 miles in 14.5 hours would be 20 mph average speed. According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity.I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh.16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery.$18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg.$4.00 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.125 per mile. Gasoline prices would have to rise to $23.68/gal to break even (assuming the cost for electricity -–to charge the Volt’s batteries –- remained unchanged). The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000. So we are encouraged to pay 3 times as much for a car that costs more that 7 times as much to run and takes 3 times as long to drive across country. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: slooow
And my 77hp '78 300D could not climb eastbound Snoqualmie Pass at full throttle without shifting down to 3rd which means 45mph in a 60 zone. Ayup, that would be one. Also problematic were the hills at Vantage, the pass between Ellensburg and Yakima, White Pass, and the hill out of Spokane. Second slowest vehicle I've ever driven, the only thing worse was my Unimog. (Which has something like a 10,000# weight penalty!) Other than that the car was really quite nice. If the stickshift 123's drive anything like my 115 they'd be a real winner. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT. turn tables ??
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Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner
Well good for them but it's still wonky math. Ok.. so electric costs are .12 cents average Let's factor in the cars cost of $46.000 and divide that by the projected service life of the battery, plus battery replacement costs for service life of the car [got any idea how many miles this car will go?] , THEN amortize that true cost [plus any gasoline used, don't forget] into each mile driven. I don't have those numbers to run with because of all the hyperbole green spin but my engineering gut tells me it will come in high for cost per mile driven. Now let's take a real hard look at the true emission profile. More than 80% of electric generation is done via coal fired plants, which although not in your green car back yard, are none the less emission factories belching 24/7 into the carbon footprint so you can plug in your green car and hide your emissions by using a clever hyperbole that the 'car didn't do it Well. it does. For every hour you are plugged in and every hour you are driving that car, the power grid must stand ready with electric to refill your tank [battery] Better add that to the math also to get a real picture. This is getting long and it is a long equation. Bottom line, oil was chosen because it was cheap, quick, easy, and clean enough. As an energy, it has dominated for all those reasons and will continue despite stimuli by government for most of my remaining lifetime. Grant... On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Gerry wrote: I sent the Fox News article to a friend who has owned a Volt for 3 or 4 months. This lady is a medical research tech and her husband is a microbiologist. Both are dedicated to extreme accuracy so I wouldn't question their math. This is her reply: Thanks for sending. When I read over a DOLLAR per kwh I knew something was wrong with the article. We pay about 10 CENTS per kwh and snopes said the national average is about 12 cents. It costs us about a dollar to charge the battery vs $18 in article. We go 45 to 50 miles for a dollar charge up, not 25 miles for $18. Somebody made up some atrocious math. You can go down to 25 miles per charge if it is very cold or you go very fast. We drove the car about 400 miles last week without charging and averaged about 45 mi per gallon because is was mostly on gas. On battery alone then charge up at night and never use gas we get almost 100 mpg equivalent. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/chevyvolt.asp --- Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors. For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. 270 miles in 14.5 hours would be 20 mph average speed. According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity.I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh.16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery.$18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg.$4.00 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.125 per mile. Gasoline prices would have to rise to $23.68/gal to break even (assuming the cost for electricity -–to charge the Volt’s batteries –- remained unchanged). The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000. So we are encouraged to pay 3 times as much for a car that costs more that 7 times as much to run and takes 3 times as long to drive across country. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT. turn tables ??
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Re: [MBZ] OT. turn tables ??
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Re: [MBZ] OT. turn tables ??
Yeah, dang it. No way to make it send in plain text, unfortunately. Guess I'm going to have to jailbreak it and run Android 4.0... Dan On Feb 26, 2012, at 9:37 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20120226/7dd00e7d/attachment.html It looks like you're still transmitting in html... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner
I have to agree with Grant. While I'm all for saving energy, the math these people use, even if accurate, still fails to take a lot of the upstream costs into account, especially the cost of generating the electricity necessary to charge the thing. I have to believe that if this is factored in accurately, an electric car, coupled with the high cost of battery technology, is still far more expensive from a cost per mile than one running on fossil fuels. That being said, if solar costs could ever be brought into a manageable range, if you lived in an area where solar made sense and you could generate your own power, maybe, just maybe, it might approach a realistic cost. It's unlikely to happen in our lifetime, I believe, so that's not something I'm counting on. I think the best place to put our development dollars is to raise the corporate CAFE standards. If Detroit is forced to develop more efficient cars, and I believe they can, electric vehicles won't stand a chance of being realistic unless something spectacular would occur with battery technology. Where's that 100 MPG carburetor when you need it? grin Dan On Feb 26, 2012, at 9:35 AM, G Mann wrote: Well good for them but it's still wonky math. Ok.. so electric costs are .12 cents average Let's factor in the cars cost of $46.000 and divide that by the projected service life of the battery, plus battery replacement costs for service life of the car [got any idea how many miles this car will go?] , THEN amortize that true cost [plus any gasoline used, don't forget] into each mile driven. I don't have those numbers to run with because of all the hyperbole green spin but my engineering gut tells me it will come in high for cost per mile driven. Now let's take a real hard look at the true emission profile. More than 80% of electric generation is done via coal fired plants, which although not in your green car back yard, are none the less emission factories belching 24/7 into the carbon footprint so you can plug in your green car and hide your emissions by using a clever hyperbole that the 'car didn't do it Well. it does. For every hour you are plugged in and every hour you are driving that car, the power grid must stand ready with electric to refill your tank [battery] Better add that to the math also to get a real picture. This is getting long and it is a long equation. Bottom line, oil was chosen because it was cheap, quick, easy, and clean enough. As an energy, it has dominated for all those reasons and will continue despite stimuli by government for most of my remaining lifetime. Grant... On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Gerry wrote: I sent the Fox News article to a friend who has owned a Volt for 3 or 4 months. This lady is a medical research tech and her husband is a microbiologist. Both are dedicated to extreme accuracy so I wouldn't question their math. This is her reply: Thanks for sending. When I read over a DOLLAR per kwh I knew something was wrong with the article. We pay about 10 CENTS per kwh and snopes said the national average is about 12 cents. It costs us about a dollar to charge the battery vs $18 in article. We go 45 to 50 miles for a dollar charge up, not 25 miles for $18. Somebody made up some atrocious math. You can go down to 25 miles per charge if it is very cold or you go very fast. We drove the car about 400 miles last week without charging and averaged about 45 mi per gallon because is was mostly on gas. On battery alone then charge up at night and never use gas we get almost 100 mpg equivalent. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/chevyvolt.asp --- Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors. For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. 270 miles in 14.5 hours would be 20 mph average speed. According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity.I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh.16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery.$18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg.$4.00 per gallon
Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner
On Feb 26, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I think the best place to put our development dollars is to raise the corporate CAFE standards. If Detroit is forced to develop more efficient cars, and I believe they can, electric vehicles won't stand a chance of being realistic unless something spectacular would occur with battery technology. I am no fan of government intervention, but CAFE has worked in the past. It was probably the impetus for the Prius. Maybe a relaxation of EPA regs is in order. The Honda CRX used to get over 50 mpg twenty years ago. Same with the VW Jetta TDI. I am not a fan of world government either, but perhaps world standards for emissions and safety are in order. Then we could get more diesel MB's and maybe even the 70 mpg diesel Focus here in the US of A Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Suspensions, was: slooow
I never felt that the 123s drove as nicely as the 115s. I always blamed it on the loss of the double wishbone front suspension (cost savings), but it could just be an emotional thing. The steering/handling just wasn't as precise, frim ,or something. The 107 shares the front suspension with the 115 - I really liked the SDL, despite the weight. I think the multi-link rear suspension on the 124 makes up for the front suspension, or they improved it from the 123s - don't really know. On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Other than that the car was really quite nice. If the stickshift 123's drive anything like my 115 they'd be a real winner. -- Jim -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner
100 years ago you'd have been telling us That new auto-carriage is crazy! What idiot would pay for gasoline when you can feed a horse basically for free? Why perform costly maintenance, it costs almost nothing to put a new coat of paint on yonder buggy! As far as I can see the auto-carriage has no future. In 100 years people are going to look back at people like you and say well that guy was an idiot but not because the Volt is such a great car, its not and pretty much everybody admits it. Its because change is coming and the Volt is one of the first of a new breed. Will they be electric? Hybrid? Synth diesel? Natural gas? I don't have any idea but I know they're coming and holding on to the old things just shows you as a scared old coot just like the scared old coots you made fun of back in your day. If you get yourself a union suit and a hat with ear flaps you can even look like that old coot you used to make fun of. ;) -Curt Note: The above is partially my opinion and partially satire, I'll leave it to you to figure out which is which. Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 07:35:27 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner Message-ID: cantulyi68cncwy6ksxnazq5t8g_7vj5p0plzdam1eq-oqah...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Well good for them but it's still wonky math. Ok.. so electric costs are .12 cents average Let's factor in the cars cost of $46.000 and divide that by the projected service life of the battery, plus battery replacement costs for service life of the car [got any idea how many miles this car will go?] , THEN amortize that true cost [plus any gasoline used, don't forget] into each mile driven. I don't have those numbers to run with because of all the hyperbole green spin but my engineering gut tells me it will come in high for cost per mile driven. Now let's take a real hard look at the true emission profile. More than 80% of electric generation is done via coal fired plants, which although not in your green car back yard, are none the less emission factories belching 24/7 into the carbon footprint so you can plug in your green car and hide your emissions by using a clever hyperbole that the 'car didn't do it Well. it does. For every hour you are plugged in and every hour you are driving that car, the power grid must stand ready with electric to refill your tank [battery] Better add that to the math also to get a real picture. This is getting long and it is a long equation. Bottom line, oil was chosen because it was cheap, quick, easy, and clean enough. As an energy, it has dominated for all those reasons and will continue despite stimuli by government for most of my remaining lifetime. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner
Isn't it amazing to see how fuel economy has become the big story lately? Its always the New 30mpg super-whatever now rather than the 3000hp super-whatever that it was 2 years ago. I think that the new hybrids/electric/whatevers helping push higher efficiency in regular gas cars. Well I suppose $3.50/gal gas helps that too. After the new Super Bowl commercial I really want to test-drive a Fiat 500 Abarth, then I looked up the specs and I really really want to test drive one... -Curt Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:45:45 -0500 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner Message-ID: 780f0312-9011-4283-b63d-2cf69f279...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I have to agree with Grant. While I'm all for saving energy, the math these people use, even if accurate, still fails to take a lot of the upstream costs into account, especially the cost of generating the electricity necessary to charge the thing. I have to believe that if this is factored in accurately, an electric car, coupled with the high cost of battery technology, is still far more expensive from a cost per mile than one running on fossil fuels. That being said, if solar costs could ever be brought into a manageable range, if you lived in an area where solar made sense and you could generate your own power, maybe, just maybe, it might approach a realistic cost. It's unlikely to happen in our lifetime, I believe, so that's not something I'm counting on. I think the best place to put our development dollars is to raise the corporate CAFE standards. If Detroit is forced to develop more efficient cars, and I believe they can, electric vehicles won't stand a chance of being realistic unless something spectacular would occur with battery technology. Where's that 100 MPG carburetor when you need it? grin Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner
At this point, you don't buy a hybrid or electric car for save money. You do it because you want the exotic technology - the newest, latest thing. Yeah, you get to brag about high mileage, but need to acknowledge that it's smoke and mirrors, and that there is NO reduction in CO2 production. Most of the recharging of a total electric car occurs at night when the grid is under utilized - grid capacity shouldn't be much of an issue. I think the serial hybrid, like a Diesel/electric locomotive, is the way to go - you get the effeciency of the electric drive train, and the freedom form the grid to travel cross country. I like the design of the Volt - they did a good job of managing the two poer sources. Most car purchases are emotional, not logical. We're fans of MBs, I can't honestly say that they make the most sense economically, though I have gotten excellent service from several relatively inexpensive older, high mileage MBs. I do acknowledge that I'm a Mercedes bigot - no two ways about it. I just like the engineering, and love Diesels. On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.comwrote: On Feb 26, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I think the best place to put our development dollars is to raise the corporate CAFE standards. If Detroit is forced to develop more efficient cars, and I believe they can, electric vehicles won't stand a chance of being realistic unless something spectacular would occur with battery technology. I am no fan of government intervention, but CAFE has worked in the past. It was probably the impetus for the Prius. Maybe a relaxation of EPA regs is in order. The Honda CRX used to get over 50 mpg twenty years ago. Same with the VW Jetta TDI. I am not a fan of world government either, but perhaps world standards for emissions and safety are in order. Then we could get more diesel MB's and maybe even the 70 mpg diesel Focus here in the US of A Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner
I don't disagree with some of your points, I disagree with the misinformation that's being used to promote these as being cheaper and environmentally friendly to operate compared to an oil-fired automobile. That is simply not the case, if anything, it's deceptive as the costs are considerably higher, I believe. Dan On Feb 26, 2012, at 1:42 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: 100 years ago you'd have been telling us That new auto-carriage is crazy! What idiot would pay for gasoline when you can feed a horse basically for free? Why perform costly maintenance, it costs almost nothing to put a new coat of paint on yonder buggy! As far as I can see the auto-carriage has no future. In 100 years people are going to look back at people like you and say well that guy was an idiot but not because the Volt is such a great car, its not and pretty much everybody admits it. Its because change is coming and the Volt is one of the first of a new breed. Will they be electric? Hybrid? Synth diesel? Natural gas? I don't have any idea but I know they're coming and holding on to the old things just shows you as a scared old coot just like the scared old coots you made fun of back in your day. If you get yourself a union suit and a hat with ear flaps you can even look like that old coot you used to make fun of. ;) -Curt Note: The above is partially my opinion and partially satire, I'll leave it to you to figure out which is which. Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 07:35:27 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner Message-ID: cantulyi68cncwy6ksxnazq5t8g_7vj5p0plzdam1eq-oqah...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Well good for them but it's still wonky math. Ok.. so electric costs are .12 cents average Let's factor in the cars cost of $46.000 and divide that by the projected service life of the battery, plus battery replacement costs for service life of the car [got any idea how many miles this car will go?] , THEN amortize that true cost [plus any gasoline used, don't forget] into each mile driven. I don't have those numbers to run with because of all the hyperbole green spin but my engineering gut tells me it will come in high for cost per mile driven. Now let's take a real hard look at the true emission profile. More than 80% of electric generation is done via coal fired plants, which although not in your green car back yard, are none the less emission factories belching 24/7 into the carbon footprint so you can plug in your green car and hide your emissions by using a clever hyperbole that the 'car didn't do it Well. it does. For every hour you are plugged in and every hour you are driving that car, the power grid must stand ready with electric to refill your tank [battery] Better add that to the math also to get a real picture. This is getting long and it is a long equation. Bottom line, oil was chosen because it was cheap, quick, easy, and clean enough. As an energy, it has dominated for all those reasons and will continue despite stimuli by government for most of my remaining lifetime. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Suspensions, was: slooow
I've never considered a W123 to be particularly precise, even when sorted properly. A W201 on the other hand feels like its on rails. I haven't driven a W124 enough to have an opinion but considering its similarities to a W201 I'd figure it to be the same. -Curt Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 12:26:26 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Suspensions, was: slooow Message-ID: canzcij9cvqyejwbkh1ziw6npt0n+g-w-yrhkqro8aawza1n...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I never felt that the 123s drove as nicely as the 115s. I always blamed it on the loss of the double wishbone front suspension (cost savings), but it could just be an emotional thing. The steering/handling just wasn't as precise, frim ,or something. The 107 shares the front suspension with the 115 - I really liked the SDL, despite the weight. I think the multi-link rear suspension on the 124 makes up for the front suspension, or they improved it from the 123s - don't really know. On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Other than that the car was really quite nice. If the stickshift 123's drive anything like my 115 they'd be a real winner. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner
I read yesterday that gas is expected to hit $5/gal by the end of the year, due mostly to Iran and demand from China and India. What I haven't found is a prediction of the cost spread between gasoline and Diesel. We saw a two car accident on I-44 Friday night - a red Fiat 500 rear-ended a cream colored one! There is a Fiat dealerin OKC, but I don't usually see enough of them to expect them to be running into each other! On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Isn't it amazing to see how fuel economy has become the big story lately? Its always the New 30mpg super-whatever now rather than the 3000hp super-whatever that it was 2 years ago. I think that the new hybrids/electric/whatevers helping push higher efficiency in regular gas cars. Well I suppose $3.50/gal gas helps that too. After the new Super Bowl commercial I really want to test-drive a Fiat 500 Abarth, then I looked up the specs and I really really want to test drive one... -Curt Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:45:45 -0500 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner Message-ID: 780f0312-9011-4283-b63d-2cf69f279...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I have to agree with Grant. While I'm all for saving energy, the math these people use, even if accurate, still fails to take a lot of the upstream costs into account, especially the cost of generating the electricity necessary to charge the thing. I have to believe that if this is factored in accurately, an electric car, coupled with the high cost of battery technology, is still far more expensive from a cost per mile than one running on fossil fuels. That being said, if solar costs could ever be brought into a manageable range, if you lived in an area where solar made sense and you could generate your own power, maybe, just maybe, it might approach a realistic cost. It's unlikely to happen in our lifetime, I believe, so that's not something I'm counting on. I think the best place to put our development dollars is to raise the corporate CAFE standards. If Detroit is forced to develop more efficient cars, and I believe they can, electric vehicles won't stand a chance of being realistic unless something spectacular would occur with battery technology. Where's that 100 MPG carburetor when you need it? grin Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner
Where can I get me summadat? --R On 2/26/12 1:42 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: If you get yourself a union suit and a hat with ear flaps you can even look like that old coot you used to make fun of.;) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner
Please don't shoot me for saying this but if there is so much demand for oil from overpopulated countries like China and India then should we consider hoarding our oil or at least limiting the amount we export to these rapidly growing third world economies so that they don't deplete the worlds supply? What would be ramifications of such a plan? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2012, at 1:53 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I read yesterday that gas is expected to hit $5/gal by the end of the year, due mostly to Iran and demand from China and India. What I haven't found is a prediction of the cost spread between gasoline and Diesel. We saw a two car accident on I-44 Friday night - a red Fiat 500 rear-ended a cream colored one! There is a Fiat dealerin OKC, but I don't usually see enough of them to expect them to be running into each other! On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Isn't it amazing to see how fuel economy has become the big story lately? Its always the New 30mpg super-whatever now rather than the 3000hp super-whatever that it was 2 years ago. I think that the new hybrids/electric/whatevers helping push higher efficiency in regular gas cars. Well I suppose $3.50/gal gas helps that too. After the new Super Bowl commercial I really want to test-drive a Fiat 500 Abarth, then I looked up the specs and I really really want to test drive one... -Curt Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:45:45 -0500 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner Message-ID: 780f0312-9011-4283-b63d-2cf69f279...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I have to agree with Grant. While I'm all for saving energy, the math these people use, even if accurate, still fails to take a lot of the upstream costs into account, especially the cost of generating the electricity necessary to charge the thing. I have to believe that if this is factored in accurately, an electric car, coupled with the high cost of battery technology, is still far more expensive from a cost per mile than one running on fossil fuels. That being said, if solar costs could ever be brought into a manageable range, if you lived in an area where solar made sense and you could generate your own power, maybe, just maybe, it might approach a realistic cost. It's unlikely to happen in our lifetime, I believe, so that's not something I'm counting on. I think the best place to put our development dollars is to raise the corporate CAFE standards. If Detroit is forced to develop more efficient cars, and I believe they can, electric vehicles won't stand a chance of being realistic unless something spectacular would occur with battery technology. Where's that 100 MPG carburetor when you need it? grin Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables
Re: convenience That's what the world of digits is all about. Good analog vinyl still beats digits with tube amplification. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] '70 220D 4-speed, all records, $3495
This looks like a good deal for somebody, assuming the heater blower works. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/2871136289.html Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables
One of the biggest setbacks in music was the 1980's remastering when the CD became the preferred consumer format. Many of those original digital remasters were not done very well by today's standards. Some artists have digitally remastered their albums a second time and the quality is much better. If you compare a 1980's Bob Dylan or CSN remaster to the original LP (even a cheap used LP with imperfection), I think you'd prefer the LP even on a cheap turntable. For newer recordings that were done digitally, I don't think there is any reason to play it on vinyl. I prefer digital music for the convenience. I can carry around my entire collection on a hard drive. With a backup stored safely outside of my home, I don't have to worry about theft or fire destroying my collection. Plus its much easier to listen to something else. With vinyl I'd have to dig out the record and flip it over. My 2nd turntable was a Thorens without auto-shutoff so if I became preoccupied with something else, the record would continue to spin until I remembered... On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 1:12 PM, glenn brown g_010...@hotmail.com wrote: Re: convenience That's what the world of digits is all about. Good analog vinyl still beats digits with tube amplification. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables - 45 rpm Record Values
Along these same lines, does anyone know of the best way I might sell off a decent sized (150+) collection of 45 RPM records? Or, given a list of titles, find someone that would give me an unbiased opinion of value (I don't need an appraisal - read on.) I am in the process of cataloging them right now in anticipation of attempting to eBay the lot. My only real concern is that there may be some real gems in it price-wise, and I might end up selling the lot for less than it's worth, or discouraging people from bidding because there's a lot of stuff they don't want outside of a few desirable records. The time range is from the early to mid 70s through the early 80s. All are in jackets, maybe 25% of them in the original jackets with artwork specific to that release, and all are in VG to VG+ condition. Also, I would add that these cost me nothing. I worked on a guy's pinball machines for him one afternoon and he asked me to make a list of my favorite artists and time frame. He sent me this box full of 45s shortly after. Can't say that I have ever put one on a turntable Dan Re: convenience That's what the world of digits is all about. Good analog vinyl still beats digits with tube amplification. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables
My vinyl is mostly once or twice played. I moved it to analog mag tape. The tapes are so old (distorted) that I need to move the sounds on vinyl to some other media. Then I plan to sell the near new quality vinyl while the markets are still pretty good. The sound of my old tube type pioneer amp, even with really really poor speakers is still very nice compared to the newer stuff. The new stuff doesn't sound as deep and full. Re: convenience That's what the world of digits is all about. Good analog vinyl still beats digits with tube amplification. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables - 45 rpm Record Values
try http://www.gocontinental.com/pgde.htm Along these same lines, does anyone know of the best way I might sell off a decent sized (150+) collection of 45 RPM records? Or, given a list of titles, find someone that would give me an unbiased opinion of value (I don't need an appraisal - read on.) I am in the process of cataloging them right now in anticipation of attempting to eBay the lot. My only real concern is that there may be some real gems in it price-wise, and I might end up selling the lot for less than it's worth, or discouraging people from bidding because there's a lot of stuff they don't want outside of a few desirable records. The time range is from the early to mid 70s through the early 80s. All are in jackets, maybe 25% of them in the original jackets with artwork specific to that release, and all are in VG to VG+ condition. Also, I would add that these cost me nothing. I worked on a guy's pinball machines for him one afternoon and he asked me to make a list of my favorite artists and time frame. He sent me this box full of 45s shortly after. Can't say that I have ever put one on a turntable Dan Re: convenience That's what the world of digits is all about. Good analog vinyl still beats digits with tube amplification. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables
That reminds me. I have a Fisher 400 receiver sitting in the closet waiting to be recapped. I even have all the caps, too. A good project for the upcoming spring break, I guess Dan On Feb 26, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Dieselhead wrote: My vinyl is mostly once or twice played. I moved it to analog mag tape. The tapes are so old (distorted) that I need to move the sounds on vinyl to some other media. Then I plan to sell the near new quality vinyl while the markets are still pretty good. The sound of my old tube type pioneer amp, even with really really poor speakers is still very nice compared to the newer stuff. The new stuff doesn't sound as deep and full. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables - 45 rpm Record Values
Most record shops buy vinyl. You can have them give you a price and if you don't like it you don't have to sell it to them. With so much competition on eBay and the cost of shipping that much weight what do you think you'd get and how much more or less would it be than the record shop? On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: try http://www.gocontinental.com/**pgde.htmhttp://www.gocontinental.com/pgde.htm Along these same lines, does anyone know of the best way I might sell off a decent sized (150+) collection of 45 RPM records? Or, given a list of titles, find someone that would give me an unbiased opinion of value (I don't need an appraisal - read on.) I am in the process of cataloging them right now in anticipation of attempting to eBay the lot. My only real concern is that there may be some real gems in it price-wise, and I might end up selling the lot for less than it's worth, or discouraging people from bidding because there's a lot of stuff they don't want outside of a few desirable records. The time range is from the early to mid 70s through the early 80s. All are in jackets, maybe 25% of them in the original jackets with artwork specific to that release, and all are in VG to VG+ condition. Also, I would add that these cost me nothing. I worked on a guy's pinball machines for him one afternoon and he asked me to make a list of my favorite artists and time frame. He sent me this box full of 45s shortly after. Can't say that I have ever put one on a turntable Dan Re: convenience That's what the world of digits is all about. Good analog vinyl still beats digits with tube amplification. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner
You'd have to nationalize all our oil resources, which is to say you'd have to take them all, presumably by eminent domain. I'm sure that'll work out just fine... The thing is that the oil here isn't ours and while US oil demand is down, US oil production is UP and prices continue to rise. Strangely its cheaper to refine oil here which has led the US to become a net exporter of gasoline which is what is driving our prices higher. I was pondering this yesterday, what about an export tax, is such a thing legal? That should at least check some of the exports but unfortunately exports are politically positive... -Curt Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:58:30 -0800 (PST) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner Message-ID: 1330286310.10354.yext-apple-iph...@web113207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please don't shoot me for saying this but if there is so much demand for oil from overpopulated countries like China and India then should we consider hoarding our oil or at least limiting the amount we export to these rapidly growing third world economies so that they don't deplete the worlds supply? What would be ramifications of such a plan? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables - 45 rpm Record Values
Perhaps break it up into groups, by artist or something. On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: Most record shops buy vinyl. You can have them give you a price and if you don't like it you don't have to sell it to them. With so much competition on eBay and the cost of shipping that much weight what do you think you'd get and how much more or less would it be than the record shop? On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: try http://www.gocontinental.com/**pgde.htm http://www.gocontinental.com/pgde.htm Along these same lines, does anyone know of the best way I might sell off a decent sized (150+) collection of 45 RPM records? Or, given a list of titles, find someone that would give me an unbiased opinion of value (I don't need an appraisal - read on.) I am in the process of cataloging them right now in anticipation of attempting to eBay the lot. My only real concern is that there may be some real gems in it price-wise, and I might end up selling the lot for less than it's worth, or discouraging people from bidding because there's a lot of stuff they don't want outside of a few desirable records. The time range is from the early to mid 70s through the early 80s. All are in jackets, maybe 25% of them in the original jackets with artwork specific to that release, and all are in VG to VG+ condition. Also, I would add that these cost me nothing. I worked on a guy's pinball machines for him one afternoon and he asked me to make a list of my favorite artists and time frame. He sent me this box full of 45s shortly after. Can't say that I have ever put one on a turntable Dan Re: convenience That's what the world of digits is all about. Good analog vinyl still beats digits with tube amplification. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner
Yes - the oil companies are international and dont care about national boundries, beyond what the tax structures are. There is no US oil --- On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You'd have to nationalize all our oil resources, which is to say you'd have to take them all, presumably by eminent domain. I'm sure that'll work out just fine... The thing is that the oil here isn't ours and while US oil demand is down, US oil production is UP and prices continue to rise. Strangely its cheaper to refine oil here which has led the US to become a net exporter of gasoline which is what is driving our prices higher. I was pondering this yesterday, what about an export tax, is such a thing legal? That should at least check some of the exports but unfortunately exports are politically positive... -Curt Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:58:30 -0800 (PST) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner Message-ID: 1330286310.10354.yext-apple-iph...@web113207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please don't shoot me for saying this but if there is so much demand for oil from overpopulated countries like China and India then should we consider hoarding our oil or at least limiting the amount we export to these rapidly growing third world economies so that they don't deplete the worlds supply? What would be ramifications of such a plan? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner
Strangely its cheaper to refine oil here which has led the US to I doubt it. become a net exporter of gasoline which is what is driving our prices higher. Europe has a huge tax overhead on fuel. I think we're subsidizing other countries' government when we sell overseas. Those excess fuel taxes don't go to the dinosaurs, after all. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner
I think the serial hybrid, like a Diesel/electric locomotive, is the way to go - you get the effeciency of the electric drive train, and the freedom form the grid to travel cross country. I like the design of the Volt - they did a good job of managing the two poer sources. The recharger should be a paint-can-sized turbine. http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/hybrids.html#REV -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HP TouchPad
On Feb 25, 2012 10:09 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Came through fine. It was just HTML instead of plain text. I would think there is a tweak in the email program for that. You'd think that because you never used WebOS. :) Actually it isn't that bad, but everything else got better over the last few years, while Palm stagnated. We used WebOS on the Touchpads for about a month, but there was just so much more stuff available on Android. (And as a former Pre user I knew my way around!) Definitely haven't looked back. Android I can see as a laptop replacement, WebOS was more of a portable internet device with a barely-decent browser. Best, Tim Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables - 45 rpm Record Values
There is a shop here in Charleston I was reading about the other day, it used to be a record store but that did not work out, so now they just sell on-line. The owner said their biggest problem is finding enough inventory. I tried to find the article but couldn't -- it might be these guys. They are having a big sale/swap meet sort of thing in a coupla weeks. www.*monstermusic*sc.com/ --R On 2/26/12 3:48 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Along these same lines, does anyone know of the best way I might sell off a decent sized (150+) collection of 45 RPM records? Or, given a list of titles, find someone that would give me an unbiased opinion of value (I don't need an appraisal - read on.) I am in the process of cataloging them right now in anticipation of attempting to eBay the lot. My only real concern is that there may be some real gems in it price-wise, and I might end up selling the lot for less than it's worth, or discouraging people from bidding because there's a lot of stuff they don't want outside of a few desirable records. The time range is from the early to mid 70s through the early 80s. All are in jackets, maybe 25% of them in the original jackets with artwork specific to that release, and all are in VG to VG+ condition. Also, I would add that these cost me nothing. I worked on a guy's pinball machines for him one afternoon and he asked me to make a list of my favorite artists and time frame. He sent me this box full of 45s shortly after. Can't say that I have ever put one on a turntable Dan Re: convenience That's what the world of digits is all about. Good analog vinyl still beats digits with tube amplification. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables - 45 rpm Record Values
Look into the juke box crowd. Those are high end collectables, and a guy with one may want to have a period specific set of disks for his machine. I was at the auction Friday, and there was a 1952 Seeburg 100 that went for $2k. It will be torn down and given a solid refurb. Buyer thought he would be putting $5k into getting it back to period and fully functional. clay On Feb 26, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Along these same lines, does anyone know of the best way I might sell off a decent sized (150+) collection of 45 RPM records? Or, given a list of titles, find someone that would give me an unbiased opinion of value (I don't need an appraisal - read on.) I am in the process of cataloging them right now in anticipation of attempting to eBay the lot. My only real concern is that there may be some real gems in it price-wise, and I might end up selling the lot for less than it's worth, or discouraging people from bidding because there's a lot of stuff they don't want outside of a few desirable records. The time range is from the early to mid 70s through the early 80s. All are in jackets, maybe 25% of them in the original jackets with artwork specific to that release, and all are in VG to VG+ condition. Also, I would add that these cost me nothing. I worked on a guy's pinball machines for him one afternoon and he asked me to make a list of my favorite artists and time frame. He sent me this box full of 45s shortly after. Can't say that I have ever put one on a turntable Dan Re: convenience That's what the world of digits is all about. Good analog vinyl still beats digits with tube amplification. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables - 45 rpm Record Values
Hard to figure. I ended up with a complete set of Babs Striesand LPs a few years ago. Put them on fleabay and sold the 20 or so disks to some guy in San Fransisco for $150. These were not anywhere near good, just a full set of her vinyl. Some were in sorry shape, but not scratched to shreds. clay On Feb 26, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Most record shops buy vinyl. You can have them give you a price and if you don't like it you don't have to sell it to them. With so much competition on eBay and the cost of shipping that much weight what do you think you'd get and how much more or less would it be than the record shop? On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: try http://www.gocontinental.com/**pgde.htmhttp://www.gocontinental.com/pgde.htm Along these same lines, does anyone know of the best way I might sell off a decent sized (150+) collection of 45 RPM records? Or, given a list of titles, find someone that would give me an unbiased opinion of value (I don't need an appraisal - read on.) I am in the process of cataloging them right now in anticipation of attempting to eBay the lot. My only real concern is that there may be some real gems in it price-wise, and I might end up selling the lot for less than it's worth, or discouraging people from bidding because there's a lot of stuff they don't want outside of a few desirable records. The time range is from the early to mid 70s through the early 80s. All are in jackets, maybe 25% of them in the original jackets with artwork specific to that release, and all are in VG to VG+ condition. Also, I would add that these cost me nothing. I worked on a guy's pinball machines for him one afternoon and he asked me to make a list of my favorite artists and time frame. He sent me this box full of 45s shortly after. Can't say that I have ever put one on a turntable Dan Re: convenience That's what the world of digits is all about. Good analog vinyl still beats digits with tube amplification. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who needs a red 124 convertible?
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Craig wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 22:42:25 -0500 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: http://swmi.craigslist.org/**cto/2839200568.htmlhttp://swmi.craigslist.org/cto/2839200568.html Seems a tad expensive. Most sellers still want $12k for a nice one. (which might be a better deal than $5k for a shabby one) I've never seen a 124 cabriolet advertised for less than five digits. That red one looks like the kind of thing the guys on the British TV show Wheeler Dealers would snap up, do a little work on, and flip for twice what they paid. If I had the cash I'd be asking Mitch to do a PPI for me and probably be right out there on the next plane. OTOH I've always found the idea of owning a convertible more exciting than the reality. Keeping the top clean is no fun, and without constantly putting the top up and down every time you stop somewhere, you can't really use one as a daily driver. My needs for open-air motoring are in practice more than satisfied by sunroofs and motorcycles. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who needs a red 124 convertible?
My need for a convertable disappeared the second time the rear window of my MGA was slit and torn open in the middle of winter on campus. (I'm a slow learner). On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: I've never seen a 124 cabriolet advertised for less than five digits. That red one looks like the kind of thing the guys on the British TV show Wheeler Dealers would snap up, do a little work on, and flip for twice what they paid. If I had the cash I'd be asking Mitch to do a PPI for me and probably be right out there on the next plane. OTOH I've always found the idea of owning a convertible more exciting than the reality. Keeping the top clean is no fun, and without constantly putting the top up and down every time you stop somewhere, you can't really use one as a daily driver. My needs for open-air motoring are in practice more than satisfied by sunroofs and motorcycles. Alex ___ -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who needs a red 124 convertible?
After having ridden/driven many miles on one-mule tobacco harvesting trucks, two-mule wagons, a bicycle, a 48 Ford farm tractor, 51 John Deere farm tractor, 31 Ford Model A, 37 Ford, 40 Ford, two 49 Fords, 51 through 57 Chevies, and a 61 Pontiac, all with no AC, I have no desire whatsoever to experience any more open-air motoring - not even a so-called sunroof. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Who needs a red 124 convertible? On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Craig wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 22:42:25 -0500 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: http://swmi.craigslist.org/**cto/2839200568.htmlhttp://swmi.craigslist.org/cto/2839200568.html Seems a tad expensive. Most sellers still want $12k for a nice one. (which might be a better deal than $5k for a shabby one) I've never seen a 124 cabriolet advertised for less than five digits. That red one looks like the kind of thing the guys on the British TV show Wheeler Dealers would snap up, do a little work on, and flip for twice what they paid. If I had the cash I'd be asking Mitch to do a PPI for me and probably be right out there on the next plane. OTOH I've always found the idea of owning a convertible more exciting than the reality. Keeping the top clean is no fun, and without constantly putting the top up and down every time you stop somewhere, you can't really use one as a daily driver. My needs for open-air motoring are in practice more than satisfied by sunroofs and motorcycles. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who needs a red 124 convertible?
Oh, I forgot 64 Karman Ghia and coupla 67 VW Beetles. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Who needs a red 124 convertible? After having ridden/driven many miles on one-mule tobacco harvesting trucks, two-mule wagons, a bicycle, a 48 Ford farm tractor, 51 John Deere farm tractor, 31 Ford Model A, 37 Ford, 40 Ford, two 49 Fords, 51 through 57 Chevies, and a 61 Pontiac, all with no AC, I have no desire whatsoever to experience any more open-air motoring - not even a so-called sunroof. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Who needs a red 124 convertible? On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Craig wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 22:42:25 -0500 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: http://swmi.craigslist.org/**cto/2839200568.htmlhttp://swmi.craigslist.org/cto/2839200568.html Seems a tad expensive. Most sellers still want $12k for a nice one. (which might be a better deal than $5k for a shabby one) I've never seen a 124 cabriolet advertised for less than five digits. That red one looks like the kind of thing the guys on the British TV show Wheeler Dealers would snap up, do a little work on, and flip for twice what they paid. If I had the cash I'd be asking Mitch to do a PPI for me and probably be right out there on the next plane. OTOH I've always found the idea of owning a convertible more exciting than the reality. Keeping the top clean is no fun, and without constantly putting the top up and down every time you stop somewhere, you can't really use one as a daily driver. My needs for open-air motoring are in practice more than satisfied by sunroofs and motorcycles. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables - 45 rpm Record Values
I used to do work for the juke box crowd, which is why this guy paid me in vinyl. I had a Wurlitzer from the early 60s I was considering restoring, and had mentioned this to him. Unfortunately, the Wurlitzer was so far gone that I eventually gave it away on FreeCycle just to get it out of my basement. I later scored a Rowe/AMI CD jukebox which was a real pleasure to work on and maintain, not to mention it held far more music than a 45 jukebox did. Granted, it wasn't as aesthetically pleasing or retro, but it did the job and cost me nothing. I may try an initial foray on the local CL and see if I get any hits. There are a number of sites online that allow you to sell vinyl, but it's a hit or miss sort of thing, and both that I looked at either required an up front fee plus a seller's fee, or a ridiculous (13%!) commission. Dan On Feb 26, 2012, at 5:26 PM, clay monroe wrote: Look into the juke box crowd. Those are high end collectables, and a guy with one may want to have a period specific set of disks for his machine. I was at the auction Friday, and there was a 1952 Seeburg 100 that went for $2k. It will be torn down and given a solid refurb. Buyer thought he would be putting $5k into getting it back to period and fully functional. clay On Feb 26, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Along these same lines, does anyone know of the best way I might sell off a decent sized (150+) collection of 45 RPM records? Or, given a list of titles, find someone that would give me an unbiased opinion of value (I don't need an appraisal - read on.) I am in the process of cataloging them right now in anticipation of attempting to eBay the lot. My only real concern is that there may be some real gems in it price-wise, and I might end up selling the lot for less than it's worth, or discouraging people from bidding because there's a lot of stuff they don't want outside of a few desirable records. The time range is from the early to mid 70s through the early 80s. All are in jackets, maybe 25% of them in the original jackets with artwork specific to that release, and all are in VG to VG+ condition. Also, I would add that these cost me nothing. I worked on a guy's pinball machines for him one afternoon and he asked me to make a list of my favorite artists and time frame. He sent me this box full of 45s shortly after. Can't say that I have ever put one on a turntable Dan Re: convenience That's what the world of digits is all about. Good analog vinyl still beats digits with tube amplification. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] USB turn tables - 45 rpm Record Values
On Feb 26, 2012, at 4:10 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Most record shops buy vinyl. You can have them give you a price and if you don't like it you don't have to sell it to them. With so much competition on eBay and the cost of shipping that much weight what do you think you'd get and how much more or less would it be than the record shop? The only way to do it economically is to use Media Mail. You can track and insure in MM, so it's a cheap means of moving large amounts of vinyl for a minimal amount of money. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt
A current car mag points out that the Volt is based on the Chevrolet Cruz but costs more than twice as much. Esplain again why this makes sense. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HP TouchPad
I will continue to play with the native OS (WebOS) for a little while longer before I install the latest alpha build of Android ICS. Since it will dual boot, unless I feel the need for lots of space I will probably run both until I decide which one I like better Dan On Feb 26, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Tim C wrote: On Feb 25, 2012 10:09 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Came through fine. It was just HTML instead of plain text. I would think there is a tweak in the email program for that. You'd think that because you never used WebOS. :) Actually it isn't that bad, but everything else got better over the last few years, while Palm stagnated. We used WebOS on the Touchpads for about a month, but there was just so much more stuff available on Android. (And as a former Pre user I knew my way around!) Definitely haven't looked back. Android I can see as a laptop replacement, WebOS was more of a portable internet device with a barely-decent browser. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] The 240D LIVES!
All I had to do to get her running was to hook up the new battery! One 45 second glow cycle and it lit right off like it was sitting overnight! The idle is a bit low and the shift notches don’t line up with the gates, but the drivetrain performs as it should, even the kickdown function! Holding true with any 35 year old survivor, she does have some bad and a bit of ugly thrown in too. There’s a rattle/grinding somewhere in the left rear when the car is moving. I thought it was the muffler dragging, but the exhaust seems to be buttoned up tightly. It doesn’t sound like a sway bar link, more rotational sounding. It came with a set of brake pads, so it could be something with the left rear caliper. The back of the hood is up, probably bent hinges, and the UGLY is the rust through under the battery tray! A little microwave sheet metal, some welding, painting and rust proofer would do it (where are you, Cathey? The rear window gasket is quite dry and cracked, and the front isn’t far behind. It’s straight with a decent interior other than the warn driver’s seat. All in all, it’s a great car for $750! Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon 1977 240D, 315K miles, Unnamed PS. Still working on some German names, Irmgard, Liesel, ideas? I thought about Ismelda, (I smelled her) from a mile away hahahahaha!) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The 240D LIVES!
Kevin Kraly wrote: There’s a rattle/grinding somewhere in the left rear when the car is moving. Sounds like an axle/CV joint? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner
I'll give you a point on this only because I still own a buggy and a horse and yes.. I am that old. 100 yrs ago the car really didn't work all that well, there was no steady gasoline supply, and they were very expensive, compared to a horse. The gas powered car beat the horse and buggy because it got much better, a steady gasoline supply line was put in place, and it became Cost Effective. The Volt [and others like it] are at that undeveloped stage, the energy supply line is not in place to support them [battery tech is a decade behind being cost effective at best guess]. They have no service history to support customer confidence. Your point is , on point, in that electric cars are, after 100 yrs of cars being well accepted, still not accepted, for all the reasons the 1908 Arrow went out of business. It wasn't good enough yet.. When they make a good one that works.. well priced.. with proven service history and customer support.. I'll consider it. IF Grant... On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: 100 years ago you'd have been telling us That new auto-carriage is crazy! What idiot would pay for gasoline when you can feed a horse basically for free? Why perform costly maintenance, it costs almost nothing to put a new coat of paint on yonder buggy! As far as I can see the auto-carriage has no future. In 100 years people are going to look back at people like you and say well that guy was an idiot but not because the Volt is such a great car, its not and pretty much everybody admits it. Its because change is coming and the Volt is one of the first of a new breed. Will they be electric? Hybrid? Synth diesel? Natural gas? I don't have any idea but I know they're coming and holding on to the old things just shows you as a scared old coot just like the scared old coots you made fun of back in your day. If you get yourself a union suit and a hat with ear flaps you can even look like that old coot you used to make fun of. ;) -Curt Note: The above is partially my opinion and partially satire, I'll leave it to you to figure out which is which. Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 07:35:27 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner Message-ID: cantulyi68cncwy6ksxnazq5t8g_7vj5p0plzdam1eq-oqah...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Well good for them but it's still wonky math. Ok.. so electric costs are .12 cents average Let's factor in the cars cost of $46.000 and divide that by the projected service life of the battery, plus battery replacement costs for service life of the car [got any idea how many miles this car will go?] , THEN amortize that true cost [plus any gasoline used, don't forget] into each mile driven. I don't have those numbers to run with because of all the hyperbole green spin but my engineering gut tells me it will come in high for cost per mile driven. Now let's take a real hard look at the true emission profile. More than 80% of electric generation is done via coal fired plants, which although not in your green car back yard, are none the less emission factories belching 24/7 into the carbon footprint so you can plug in your green car and hide your emissions by using a clever hyperbole that the 'car didn't do it Well. it does. For every hour you are plugged in and every hour you are driving that car, the power grid must stand ready with electric to refill your tank [battery] Better add that to the math also to get a real picture. This is getting long and it is a long equation. Bottom line, oil was chosen because it was cheap, quick, easy, and clean enough. As an energy, it has dominated for all those reasons and will continue despite stimuli by government for most of my remaining lifetime. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The 240D LIVES!
Gear shift misalignment is easily cured by new bushings. they are pretty cheap, but you may need to take the levver off the side of the trans in order to get the new one pressed in. Sounds like a buy! Congrats! I like Liesel the Diesel! All I had to do to get her running was to hook up the new battery! One 45 second glow cycle and it lit right off like it was sitting overnight! The idle is a bit low and the shift notches don't line up with the gates, but the drivetrain performs as it should, even the kickdown function! Holding true with any 35 year old survivor, she does have some bad and a bit of ugly thrown in too. There's a rattle/grinding somewhere in the left rear when the car is moving. I thought it was the muffler dragging, but the exhaust seems to be buttoned up tightly. It doesn't sound like a sway bar link, more rotational sounding. It came with a set of brake pads, so it could be something with the left rear caliper. The back of the hood is up, probably bent hinges, and the UGLY is the rust through under the battery tray! A little microwave sheet metal, some welding, painting and rust proofer would do it (where are you, Cathey? The rear window gasket is quite dry and cracked, and the front isn't far behind. It's straight with a decent interior other than the warn driver's seat. All in all, it's a great car for $750! Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon 1977 240D, 315K miles, Unnamed PS. Still working on some German names, Irmgard, Liesel, ideas? I thought about Ismelda, (I smelled her) from a mile away hahahahaha!) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] $199 5 drawer tool cart from HF
http://www.harborfreight.com/five-drawer-service-cart-95272.html?utm_medium=cseutm_source=googlebasehft_adv=40010mr:trackingCode=A6760F9E-782A-E011-B31E-001B2163195Cmr:referralID=NA I shopped around for a bit and this, by far, was best bang for buck. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner
Wouldn't that be acting like an oil cartel? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2012, at 1:58 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Please don't shoot me for saying this but if there is so much demand for oil from overpopulated countries like China and India then should we consider hoarding our oil or at least limiting the amount we export to these rapidly growing third world economies so that they don't deplete the worlds supply? What would be ramifications of such a plan? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2012, at 1:53 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I read yesterday that gas is expected to hit $5/gal by the end of the year, due mostly to Iran and demand from China and India. What I haven't found is a prediction of the cost spread between gasoline and Diesel. We saw a two car accident on I-44 Friday night - a red Fiat 500 rear-ended a cream colored one! There is a Fiat dealerin OKC, but I don't usually see enough of them to expect them to be running into each other! On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Isn't it amazing to see how fuel economy has become the big story lately? Its always the New 30mpg super-whatever now rather than the 3000hp super-whatever that it was 2 years ago. I think that the new hybrids/electric/whatevers helping push higher efficiency in regular gas cars. Well I suppose $3.50/gal gas helps that too. After the new Super Bowl commercial I really want to test-drive a Fiat 500 Abarth, then I looked up the specs and I really really want to test drive one... -Curt Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:45:45 -0500 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner Message-ID: 780f0312-9011-4283-b63d-2cf69f279...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I have to agree with Grant. While I'm all for saving energy, the math these people use, even if accurate, still fails to take a lot of the upstream costs into account, especially the cost of generating the electricity necessary to charge the thing. I have to believe that if this is factored in accurately, an electric car, coupled with the high cost of battery technology, is still far more expensive from a cost per mile than one running on fossil fuels. That being said, if solar costs could ever be brought into a manageable range, if you lived in an area where solar made sense and you could generate your own power, maybe, just maybe, it might approach a realistic cost. It's unlikely to happen in our lifetime, I believe, so that's not something I'm counting on. I think the best place to put our development dollars is to raise the corporate CAFE standards. If Detroit is forced to develop more efficient cars, and I believe they can, electric vehicles won't stand a chance of being realistic unless something spectacular would occur with battery technology. Where's that 100 MPG carburetor when you need it? grin Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas
Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com writes: For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. I thought the Volt was a series hybrid, the engine powers a generator which drives the wheel motors. It has a modest battery pack to recover energy from braking and to help out off the line, but it was never really intended to go far on batteries alone. Is that correct? Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. Disappointing. A modern diesel in a similar-sized car would do close to double that. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt
Batteries and recouping the engineering/development costs for the new technology? On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 5:42 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: A current car mag points out that the Volt is based on the Chevrolet Cruz but costs more than twice as much. Esplain again why this makes sense. RLE ___ -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas
Allan Streib wrote: Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. Disappointing. A modern diesel in a similar-sized car would do close to double that. I suspect that if it really got 30mpg including the 25 miles at infinite MPG in the average, then either Eric is a horrible driver or he was trying to discredit the car. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas
This is not the only review i the press, but it is the only one that's this negative. Either something was wrong with the car, or something's fishy about the review. On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. Disappointing. A modern diesel in a similar-sized car would do close to double that. I suspect that if it really got 30mpg including the 25 miles at infinite MPG in the average, then either Eric is a horrible driver or he was trying to discredit the car. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas
Saw one in 2K10 at google I/O, they were still billing it as an electric car at that point, no mention of a fuel system. My understanding is that it was designed as a commuter car to get you from point A.0 to A.5 since point B.0 was a bit too far away. Walt On Feb 26, 2012 10:12 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com writes: For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. I thought the Volt was a series hybrid, the engine powers a generator which drives the wheel motors. It has a modest battery pack to recover energy from braking and to help out off the line, but it was never really intended to go far on batteries alone. Is that correct? Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. Disappointing. A modern diesel in a similar-sized car would do close to double that. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas
For some reason, they seem incapable of marketing the reality of the car. It can run on batteries only, it can use the gas engine to power the electric motor, it can run on gas only, or any ratio of gas/electric with the planetary drive sustem. On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: Saw one in 2K10 at google I/O, they were still billing it as an electric car at that point, no mention of a fuel system. My understanding is that it was designed as a commuter car to get you from point A.0 to A.5 since point B.0 was a bit too far away. Walt On Feb 26, 2012 10:12 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com writes: For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. I thought the Volt was a series hybrid, the engine powers a generator which drives the wheel motors. It has a modest battery pack to recover energy from braking and to help out off the line, but it was never really intended to go far on batteries alone. Is that correct? Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. Disappointing. A modern diesel in a similar-sized car would do close to double that. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas
Last summer in Spain I rented a Peugeot diesel wagon, 5spd, it was brand new when I picked it up at the airport. I was pleasantly surprised at what a nice car it was -- hauled 4 of us and all our stuff for 9 days on high-speed roads and back roads and in town, A/C running (blowing ice cold!) and I figured (with all the conversions of liters and kms) that it was getting over 40mpg. I really wonder why we cannot buy cars like that here, and get over all this nonsense with electric scooters that are of limited usefulness in all but very restricted circumstances. Even a Pious does not do much better than that, and probably not as good in highway driving. I don't have strong opinions about them otherwise except -- let the car companies build and sell them without subsidies from the gummint (i.e., you and me, or those who pay taxes) and let them live or die in the market. If someone wants to pay huge money for one, so be it, I hope they are happy. But don't make me pay for their indulgence when there are much better alternatives out there (e.g., the Peugeot diesel wagon). --R On 2/26/12 10:21 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Saw one in 2K10 at google I/O, they were still billing it as an electric car at that point, no mention of a fuel system. My understanding is that it was designed as a commuter car to get you from point A.0 to A.5 since point B.0 was a bit too far away. Walt On Feb 26, 2012 10:12 PM, Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Hans Neureiterdiese...@gmail.com writes: For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. I thought the Volt was a series hybrid, the engine powers a generator which drives the wheel motors. It has a modest battery pack to recover energy from braking and to help out off the line, but it was never really intended to go far on batteries alone. Is that correct? Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. Disappointing. A modern diesel in a similar-sized car would do close to double that. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas
I agree. There are many great cars that could and should be offered to the North American market, which aren't. While this may not be everyone's dream car, I bet they could sell millions here. I know it's just what I'd like, for running Rover to the park, and to do the shopping in. I'd trade my minivan in a heartbeat for one. http://www.conceptcarz.com/z21157/Chevrolet-Cruze-Station-Wagon.aspx Ed 300E On 26 February 2012 22:33, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Last summer in Spain I rented a Peugeot diesel wagon, 5spd, it was brand new when I picked it up at the airport. I was pleasantly surprised at what a nice car it was -- hauled 4 of us and all our stuff for 9 days on high-speed roads and back roads and in town, A/C running (blowing ice cold!) and I figured (with all the conversions of liters and kms) that it was getting over 40mpg. I really wonder why we cannot buy cars like that here, and get over all this nonsense with electric scooters that are of limited usefulness in all but very restricted circumstances. Even a Pious does not do much better than that, and probably not as good in highway driving. I don't have strong opinions about them otherwise except -- let the car companies build and sell them without subsidies from the gummint (i.e., you and me, or those who pay taxes) and let them live or die in the market. If someone wants to pay huge money for one, so be it, I hope they are happy. But don't make me pay for their indulgence when there are much better alternatives out there (e.g., the Peugeot diesel wagon). --R On 2/26/12 10:21 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Saw one in 2K10 at google I/O, they were still billing it as an electric car at that point, no mention of a fuel system. My understanding is that it was designed as a commuter car to get you from point A.0 to A.5 since point B.0 was a bit too far away. Walt On Feb 26, 2012 10:12 PM, Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Hans Neureiterdiese...@gmail.com writes: For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. I thought the Volt was a series hybrid, the engine powers a generator which drives the wheel motors. It has a modest battery pack to recover energy from braking and to help out off the line, but it was never really intended to go far on batteries alone. Is that correct? Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. Disappointing. A modern diesel in a similar-sized car would do close to double that. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Amen to that! On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I don't have strong opinions about them otherwise except -- let the car companies build and sell them without subsidies from the gummint (i.e., you and me, or those who pay taxes) and let them live or die in the market. If someone wants to pay huge money for one, so be it, I hope they are happy. But don't make me pay for their indulgence when there are much better alternatives out there (e.g., the Peugeot diesel wagon). --R -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas
Last summer in Spain I rented a Peugeot diesel wagon, 5spd, it was brand new when I picked it up at the airport. I was pleasantly surprised at what a nice car it was -- hauled 4 of us and all our stuff for 9 days on high-speed roads and back roads and in town, A/C running (blowing ice cold!) and I figured (with all the conversions of liters and kms) that it was getting over 40mpg. I really wonder why we cannot buy cars like that here, That is easy: EPA (Otherwise known as gummit) Or is it Gummit, otherwise known as EPA?) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas
Amen to that! On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I don't have strong opinions about them otherwise except -- let the car companies build and sell them without subsidies from the gummint (i.e., you and me, or those who pay taxes) and let them live or die in the market. If someone wants to pay huge money for one, so be it, I hope they are happy. But don't make me pay for their indulgence when there are much better alternatives out there (e.g., the Peugeot diesel wagon). --R -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ And Amen to the original and the Amen ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The 240D LIVES!
The front windshield gaskets are once again available from MB; not sure about the rear (there were two versions IIRC). I'm sure Tom can verify. Good news, since word has it that the APA/URO aftermarket ones don't fit worth a damn. D. On 2012-02-26, at 17:53, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: From: Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] The 240D LIVES! All I had to do to get her running was to hook up the new battery! One 45 second glow cycle and it lit right off like it was sitting overnight! The idle is a bit low and the shift notches don?t line up with the gates, but the drivetrain performs as it should, even the kickdown function! Holding true with any 35 year old survivor, she does have some bad and a bit of ugly thrown in too. There?s a rattle/grinding somewhere in the left rear when the car is moving. I thought it was the muffler dragging, but the exhaust seems to be buttoned up tightly. It doesn?t sound like a sway bar link, more rotational sounding. It came with a set of brake pads, so it could be something with the left rear caliper. The back of the hood is up, probably bent hinges, and the UGLY is the rust through under the battery tray! A little microwave sheet metal, some welding, painting and rust proofer would do it (where are you, Cathey? The rear window gasket is quite dry and cracked, and the front isn?t far behind. It?s straight with a decent interior other than the warn driver?s seat. All in all, it?s a great car for $750! Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon 1977 240D, 315K miles, Unnamed PS. Still working on some German names, Irmgard, Liesel, ideas? I thought about Ismelda, (I smelled her) from a mile away hahahahaha!) -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
