Re: [MBZ] The 240D LIVES!

2012-02-28 Thread Tim C
On Feb 28, 2012 1:24 AM, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote:

 It seems to be idling too low.  I've never adjusted the idle on any of my
cars before.  What tools are needed, and where is the adjustment located on
the IP?

I think you will have the fully-mechanical linkage like I do, in which case
one of the rods needs to be extended (I think it's the one with the
built-in slider) - but don't do it until you've run some diesel purge,
those things are a bear to get right once they are out of spec.  Drive with
a heavy right foot until it either clears up or you ate confident it won't.

Sounds like a great car, congratulations!

Best,
Tim

 TIA,

 Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
 1977 240D 315Kmi, Liesel

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Re: [MBZ] The 240D LIVES!

2012-02-28 Thread Mitch Haley

Kevin Kraly wrote:It seems to be
idling too low.  I've never adjusted the idle on any of my cars before.  
What tools are needed, and where is the adjustment located on the IP?


1977 has a hand throttle, right?
If it's been sitting a while, I'd dial up the idle knob in the dash to 
compensate, and then after a few dozen Italian tuneups, a filter change and 
valve adjust I'd look into raising the base idle at the IP if it's still a bit 
slow with the dash throttle at minimum.


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Re: [MBZ] The 240D LIVES!

2012-02-28 Thread Mitch Haley
I'd also want a couple of tanks of FRESH diesel and maybe some purge as Tim 
suggested before deciding the idle was low.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] The 240D LIVES!

2012-02-28 Thread Dan Penoff
What he said.

More likely than not, once you get the thing cleaned out and some fresh fuel 
run through it for a few hundred miles, the idle will probably be OK.

Dan

On Feb 28, 2012, at 7:38 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Kevin Kraly wrote:It seems to be
 idling too low.  I've never adjusted the idle on any of my cars before.  
 What tools are needed, and where is the adjustment located on the IP?
 
 1977 has a hand throttle, right?
 If it's been sitting a while, I'd dial up the idle knob in the dash to 
 compensate, and then after a few dozen Italian tuneups, a filter change and 
 valve adjust I'd look into raising the base idle at the IP if it's still a 
 bit slow with the dash throttle at minimum.
 
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Re: [MBZ] slooow

2012-02-28 Thread Curt Raymond
MA is really 3 states, theres the area on the coast, including Boston, then 
Central MA with the old factories and whatnot. Then theres the mostly rural 
west with its hippies and other assorted granola eaters.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:57:54 -0500
From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] slooow
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Yeah, I knew that.  Never been west of 495, although I always want to check out 
that part of the state.  I never had the time when I was there, which was 
always business related

Dan


On Feb 27, 2012, at 8:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

 I'm well west of 128, mostly west of 495. The hills get bigger as you go west 
 in MA.
 
 -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] slooow

2012-02-28 Thread Dan Penoff
That's where James Taylor lives... I was just interested in seeing the 
Berkshires, that's all.

Other that going north, like to Nashua, I have never been beyond 495.

Dan

On Feb 28, 2012, at 8:53 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 MA is really 3 states, theres the area on the coast, including Boston, then 
 Central MA with the old factories and whatnot. Then theres the mostly rural 
 west with its hippies and other assorted granola eaters.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:57:54 -0500
 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] slooow
 Message-ID: 964ad7fc-b764-4031-8299-bf1436725...@yahoo.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 Yeah, I knew that.  Never been west of 495, although I always want to check 
 out that part of the state.  I never had the time when I was there, which was 
 always business related
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Feb 27, 2012, at 8:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
 
 I'm well west of 128, mostly west of 495. The hills get bigger as you go 
 west in MA.
 
 -Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] slooow

2012-02-28 Thread Jim Cathey

65 Mustang with the 170 cid inline 6,


My '60 Falcon has the 144 I6.  Prior to the Albatross it set my
definition of 'underpowered', though with the 3-speed manual
it's not really that bad.  It'll definitely maintain speed
in places where the Albatross could not.  I've even pulled
30MPG in it a couple of times!  (Cross-State college trips.)
Usually more like 22, IIRC.  Carries six people, too, but
it's a whole lot less peppy if you do.

My Frankenheap rarely gets highway time, but last week I
drove up to one of the local ski hills (a school outing)
which is a couple of hours away.  The car did well, it was
a real pleasure to drive, and not at all slow.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] The 240D LIVES!

2012-02-28 Thread WILTON

No sunroof!  Congratulations - a great plus.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The 240D LIVES!


I got my hands a bit dirtier with the 240D today.  I pulled out the rear 
bench seat to find very little mess underneath.  The cloth backing on the 
seat upholstery is still intact, something I haven't seen on any of my 
W123's to date!  Is it any co-inky-dink that this is the only one without a 
sunroof?  HMMM!  Other than the driver's seat, the MB-Tex and seat springs 
are in AWESOME shape.  Also, the vacuum locks work!!  The rear passenger 
door lock rod can't be moved by hand, and doesn't move with the other 3 
locks.


Under the hood, things are pretty good.  While it was running, I walked 
around and listened.  I had noticed a rattle when we first drove the car, 
and it was still there.  I determined that it was coming from the right 
side of the engine, so I hit the stop lever and began feeling around.  It 
turned out to be a loose bolt that holds the air filter bracket to the 
intake manifold.  I removed the three bolts holding the air filter housing 
to get access to the offending bolt.  Now that everything is put back as 
it should be, it sounds great!  It seems to be idling too low.  I've never 
adjusted the idle on any of my cars before.  What tools are needed, and 
where is the adjustment located on the IP?


TIA,

Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
1977 240D 315Kmi, Liesel

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Re: [MBZ] slooow

2012-02-28 Thread WILTON

I like granola, too.  ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com

To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] slooow


MA is really 3 states, theres the area on the coast, including Boston, 
then Central MA with the old factories and whatnot. Then theres the mostly 
rural west with its hippies and other assorted granola eaters.


-Curt

Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:57:54 -0500
From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] slooow
Message-ID: 964ad7fc-b764-4031-8299-bf1436725...@yahoo.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Yeah, I knew that.  Never been west of 495, although I always want to 
check out that part of the state.  I never had the time when I was there, 
which was always business related


Dan


On Feb 27, 2012, at 8:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

I'm well west of 128, mostly west of 495. The hills get bigger as you go 
west in MA.


-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] The 240D LIVES!

2012-02-28 Thread Curt Raymond
My '78 idles low until its fully warmed up, that could be the case here. 

It'd also be worth setting the valves and running a diesel purge to see if that 
helps. The bottle of Diesel Kleen I ran the other day seemed to help with a low 
idle...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:24:01 -0800
From: Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The 240D LIVES!
Message-ID: EF9EEBA4B1CC47468B14113912603E2D@KDogHP
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I got my hands a bit dirtier with the 240D today.  I pulled out the rear 
bench seat to find very little mess underneath.  The cloth backing on the 
seat upholstery is still intact, something I haven't seen on any of my 
W123's to date!  Is it any co-inky-dink that this is the only one without a 
sunroof?  HMMM!  Other than the driver's seat, the MB-Tex and seat springs 
are in AWESOME shape.  Also, the vacuum locks work!!  The rear passenger 
door lock rod can't be moved by hand, and doesn't move with the other 3 
locks.

Under the hood, things are pretty good.  While it was running, I walked 
around and listened.  I had noticed a rattle when we first drove the car, 
and it was still there.  I determined that it was coming from the right side 
of the engine, so I hit the stop lever and began feeling around.  It turned 
out to be a loose bolt that holds the air filter bracket to the intake 
manifold.  I removed the three bolts holding the air filter housing to get 
access to the offending bolt.  Now that everything is put back as it should 
be, it sounds great!  It seems to be idling too low.  I've never adjusted 
the idle on any of my cars before.  What tools are needed, and where is the 
adjustment located on the IP?

TIA,

Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
1977 240D 315Kmi, Liesel 

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[MBZ] OT very little rust on the body -- CL Idiot

2012-02-28 Thread Rich Thomas
Yep, no rust there, none at all, nosiree   
http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2859638670.html


There there is this one solid body   
http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2867160142.html


-_R

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[MBZ] Who wanted a 300SEL?

2012-02-28 Thread Rich Thomas

 beautiful lather interior

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2874593252.html

--R
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Re: [MBZ] Who wanted a 300SEL?

2012-02-28 Thread WILTON

All that lather keeps it really clean.

Wilton

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Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:36 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Who wanted a 300SEL?



 beautiful lather interior

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2874593252.html

--R
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Re: [MBZ] Who wanted a 300SEL?

2012-02-28 Thread Dan Penoff
Sure it's not MB-text?

Dan

On Feb 28, 2012, at 10:38 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 All that lather keeps it really clean.
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:36 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Who wanted a 300SEL?
 
 
  beautiful lather interior
 http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2874593252.html
 --R
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Re: [MBZ] Who wanted a 300SEL?

2012-02-28 Thread Tony Wirtel
Sadly, after 40+ years of excellent results MB-texting has been made
illegal by The Man in many states.

Tony Wirtel
Former owner of Dan's 300E w/MB-text

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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Who wanted a 300SEL?
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 Sure it's not MB-text?

 Dan

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Re: [MBZ] $199 5 drawer tool cart from HF

2012-02-28 Thread Greg Fiorentino
I think the weight is comparable, but the Gladiator is double-wall, so the
gauge may be thinner.  If you have a Costco nearby you can check them out in
person.  Also read the reviews on Amazon.

Greg

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Rolf
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 9:18 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] $199 5 drawer tool cart from HF

I think I looked at this as well. The HF required some assembly. 
Weighs 180lb. How much did yours weigh? Assuming overall weight is based
primarily on gauge of walls.

-Rolf

On 2/27/2012 2:23 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:
 I found these on sale at Costco for $299 for the pair.  I drove the 
 few extra miles to the Portland store to save the sales tax.  Both of 
 the sets in the store had some minor dents.  One was bad enough that 
 one of the drawers would not open.  The other set was missing keys.  
 The store manager discounted 10% for the dents, and another 10% for 
 the missing keys.  So I walked out with the set for $239!  Rolling the 
 chest around without the drawers on the bottom unit allowed the 
 drawers to slide open, a possible problem with the drawers loaded with 
 tools.  I emailed the company (Whirlpool), and they sent me a set of keys
at no charge.

 They are not professional grade, but all ball-bearing drawers and fine 
 if the cabinets are not banged around.

 http://www.amazon.com/Gladiator-GarageWorks-GATC26V9WG-Classic-9-Drawe
 r/dp/B
 0046ZSXEU/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8qid=1320552677sr=8-


 http://www.amazon.com/Gladiator-GarageWorks-GATR27V5WG-5-Drawer-Roll-A
 way/dp
 /B0046ZSXDG/ref=pd_sbs_hi_4

 or

 http://tinyurl.com/898abf5

 http://tinyurl.com/6wsflj9

 Greg

 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com 
 [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
 On Behalf Of Rolf
 Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 6:48 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: [MBZ] $199 5 drawer tool cart from HF

 http://www.harborfreight.com/five-drawer-service-cart-95272.html?utm_m
 edium= 
 cseutm_source=googlebasehft_adv=40010mr:trackingCode=A6760F9E-782A-
 E011-B
 31E-001B2163195Cmr:referralID=NA


 I shopped around for a bit and this, by far, was best bang for buck.

 -Rolf

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Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas

2012-02-28 Thread clay monroe
Was par for the past four months and when I filled up last, it had dropped 
below #2.  I think the fuel oil moves much faster at my place, since they do 
home heating as well.  BioD must be on contract, as I can not see them turning 
it over fast enough to keep up with present pricing.

clay


On Feb 27, 2012, at 9:47 PM, Kevin Kraly wrote:

 BioDiesel for .28 less than #2?  That's gone the other way in the 10 years 
 I've had an interest.  I tried some bio in my first 300D.  At that time in 
 2003, it was $.50 more than #2D.  I'll have to check prices for bio in 
 Portland since I don't believe it's available out here in the westside 'burbs.
 
 Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
 1977 240D 315Kmi, Liesel the Diesel 
 
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Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas

2012-02-28 Thread ernestb
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Re: [MBZ] OT very little rust on the body -- CL Idiot

2012-02-28 Thread Randy Bennell

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2859638670.html

This one is sort of interesting. I always wonder when people say it 
should run or it needs very little to repair etc, why they don't just 
fix it before they advertise it if that is the case.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT very little rust on the body -- CL Idiot

2012-02-28 Thread WILTON

Zackly.

Wilton

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http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2859638670.html

This one is sort of interesting. I always wonder when people say it 
should run or it needs very little to repair etc, why they don't just 
fix it before they advertise it if that is the case.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Fix It Again Tony Owner

2012-02-28 Thread Hendrik and Fay

FIAT = Failed Italian Attempt at Technology
I drove in one of those 500's a while back and was not impressed, maybe 
they are better now?


Hendrik
who would rather have an Alfa Romeo

On 27/02/12 05:15, Curt Raymond wrote:

Isn't it amazing to see how fuel economy has become the big story lately? Its always the New 
30mpg super-whatever now rather than the 3000hp super-whatever that it was 2 
years ago.

I think that the new hybrids/electric/whatevers helping push higher efficiency 
in regular gas cars. Well I suppose $3.50/gal gas helps that too.

After the new Super Bowl commercial I really want to test-drive a Fiat 500 
Abarth, then I looked up the specs and I really really want to test drive one...


-Curt




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Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner with electric shock absorbers

2012-02-28 Thread Hendrik and Fay
I actually had a thought the other day, would it be possible to harness 
the energy that is produced by shock absorbers to charge the batteries?
Hang on, already done and dusted 
http://www.technologyreview.in/energy/25274/


Hendrik
who is always thinking

On 27/02/12 08:39, Jim Cathey wrote:
I think the serial hybrid, like a Diesel/electric locomotive, is the 
way to

go - you get the effeciency of the electric drive train, and the freedom
form the grid to travel cross country. I like the design of the Volt 
- they

did a good job of managing the two poer sources.


The recharger should be a paint-can-sized turbine.

http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/hybrids.html#REV


-- Jim






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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook trackpad and LCD not working but linux is

2012-02-28 Thread Hendrik and Fay

It's a A1278 MacBookPro 13, couple of years old.
Searching online reveals that it is a issue but of course Apple is 
taking the high moral ground and telling people nothing except that 
their products are that fantastic that they should pay through the nose 
for them, however Fay loves it but she falls in that category of people 
who have limited computer knowledge.


Hendrik
who is getting used to Ubuntus Oneiric Ocelot

On 28/02/12 13:25, Dan Penoff wrote:

Can offer any details about the Mac, as in model or order number?

I can look it up in GSX (Apple's service system) and see if there are any 
issues with these parts.

Dan






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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook trackpad and LCD not working but linux is

2012-02-28 Thread Rich Thomas
Go to ifixit.com and see if there is anything on there about a repair.  
They have reasonably-priced replacement parts too, at least until your 
gummint gets its paws into the deal.  I repaired a macbook with a power 
board i got from them for $US80, Apple were saying $1000 to fix it 
(which is basically buy a new one).  A few special screwdrivers and 
such, and a big sheet of paper to tape all the little bits to, with 
numbers of the step, and off you go.


--R

On 2/28/12 6:22 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:

It's a A1278 MacBookPro 13, couple of years old.
Searching online reveals that it is a issue but of course Apple is 
taking the high moral ground and telling people nothing except that 
their products are that fantastic that they should pay through the 
nose for them, however Fay loves it but she falls in that category of 
people who have limited computer knowledge.


Hendrik
who is getting used to Ubuntus Oneiric Ocelot

On 28/02/12 13:25, Dan Penoff wrote:

Can offer any details about the Mac, as in model or order number?

I can look it up in GSX (Apple's service system) and see if there are 
any issues with these parts.


Dan






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Re: [MBZ] Fix It Again Tony Owner

2012-02-28 Thread Mitch Haley

Hendrik and Fay wrote:

FIAT = Failed Italian Attempt at Technology


Fix It Again, Tony?

BTW, the shop that's fixing my S210 transmission has an Italian immigrant named 
Nick and his son, Tony, and they do advertise themselves as FIAT specialists.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] slooow

2012-02-28 Thread Mountain Man
Curt wrote:
 Then theres the mostly rural west with its hippies and other assorted granola 
 eaters.


My amerika!!
I wanna move there with my 3-pedal 240D.
mao

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[MBZ] FW: FW: Motion Blindness

2012-02-28 Thread Scott Ritchey
This came my way from an old classmate.  I found it fascinating.

-
From an ex-American Airlines Captain ...

This is a great illustration of what we were taught about scanning outside
the cockpit when I went through training back in the '50s. We were told to
scan the horizon for a short distance, stop momentarily, and repeat the
process. I can remember being told why this was the most effective technique
to locate other aircraft. It was emphasized repeatedly to not fix your gaze
for more than a couple of seconds on any single object. The instructors,
some of whom were WWII veterans with years of experience, instructed us to
continually keep our eyes moving and our head on a swivel because this was
the best way to survive, not only in combat, but from peacetime hazards
(like a midair collision) as well.

We basically had to take the advice on faith (until we could experience for
ourselves) because the technology to demonstrate it didn't exist at that
time. Click on the link below for a demonstration ...

 

 http://www.msf-usa.org/motion.html

 http://www.msf-usa.org/motion.html



 

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Re: [MBZ] slooow

2012-02-28 Thread Mountain Man
JimC wrote:
 ...but last week I
 drove up to one of the local ski hills (a school outing)

You are an educator?
I thought you were an engineer?
mao

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[MBZ] Portland Biodiesel

2012-02-28 Thread Greg Fiorentino
I am planning to check out the prices at some of these local suppliers when
the weather warms a bit and see how Greta the Jetta does on B99 or B100.
Here is an article found online:

Portland biodiesel prices drop below diesel By | June 15, 2010 Posted July
12, 2010 

Effective immediately, SeQuential-Pacific Biodiesel in association with
Leathers Fuels, Star Oilco and Powell Distributing are reducing the retail
price for B99 biodiesel to $2.99 per gallon through Aug. 15 for a customer
appreciation event, and to raise awareness for local, sustainable biodiesel.
With petroleum diesel rising to over $3.25 at retail pumps, this marks the
first time biodiesel is lower than petroleum diesel since hurricanes Katrina
and Rita in 2005. 

Our customers have been so committed to cleaner burning local fuel, we felt
this is the best way we can give back and show our appreciation, said Gavin
Carpenter, regional sales manager with SeQuential-Pacific Biodiesel. The
best part is not only can they fuel with a clean conscience knowing the bio
is made 50 miles down I-5, they're saving money, and if diesel keeps rising,
they could save a lot of money. 

SeQuential-Pacific operates Oregon's largest and most sustainable biodiesel
facility, generating more than 5 million gallons a year. The primary
feedstock for production is recycled cooking oil. Having already served its
purpose in the food industry, recycled oil is one of the most sustainable
feedstocks for biodiesel. Kettle Foods and Burgerville supply their used
cooking oil to SeQuential along with thousands of other restaurants
throughout the Northwest. 

Biodiesel is non-toxic and biodegradable and helps combat global warming
while improving air quality. The city of Portland's diesel fleet currently
runs an average blend of 20 percent biodiesel in its vehicles, and all
diesel sold in Oregon is a 2 percent blend as part of the state's renewable
fuel standard. 

The following locations will offer $2.99 Oregon-produced biodiesel through
Aug. 15: 

Star Oilco: (503) 283-256. Locations: Linnton Shell, 11330 NW St. Helens
Rd., Portland, Ore. 97231; Middlefield Rd., 232 NE Middlefield Rd.,
Portland, Ore. 97211; Cardlock, SW Hunziker Rd., 8185 SW Hunziker Rd.,
Tigard, Ore., 97223. 

Powell Distributing: (503) 289-5558. Locations: JL Mini-Mart, 6021 NE
Portland Hwy, Portland, Ore. 97218; Jay's Garage, 734 SE 7th Ave, Portland,
Ore. 97214; Vancouver Shell, 4409 NE 78th St, Vancouver, WA 98685.

Leathers Enterprises: (503) 661-1244. Locations: Leathers Shell, 18145 SE
Division, Gresham, Ore., 97236; Leathers Shell Aurora, 12334 Ehlen Road NE,
Aurora, Ore. 97002. 

SOURCE: SEQUENTIAL-PACIFIC BIODIESEL
 



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Re: [MBZ] Fix It Again Tony Owner

2012-02-28 Thread OK Don
Was that a 1960's 500 or the current version? I ranked the 1960's Fiat 500
right up there with the Simca and Renaults of the time.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote:

 FIAT = Failed Italian Attempt at Technology
 I drove in one of those 500's a while back and was not impressed, maybe
 they are better now?

 Hendrik
 who would rather have an Alfa Romeo

 --
OK Don
2001 ML320
1992 300D 2.5T
1990 300D 2.5T
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas

2012-02-28 Thread Mountain Man
clay wrote:
 ...since they do home heating as well.

Stray question regarding oil refining.
I think I have heard stories lately about the pipeline for the tar
sand oil from Canada.  Are they saying this oil is really dirty to
refine?

Shall we stray a bit off to politics?
For what reason, other than buy-out of bureaucrats by big biz is this
such a critical resource?  Is there any position in the marketplace
that big biz does not buy?  Free markets, clean governance seem to be
a thing of the past.  While we have heard of dirty for generations, it
seems to be much larger today than in the past??  I would guess free
market is far from what we have here in the 'proud' 'ole USA (I am
quickly losing any pride of being an american).  The markets appear to
be free, but are totally regulated beyond ability to let markets rule.
 That defines lack of free market to my thinking.  Eliminate
'protective' regulation entirely.  Let local rule.  Let small rule.
Let innovation rule.  Let us suffer a bit of charlatan.  Let us suffer
a bit of failure.  Let us suffer a few mishaps with snake oil.  Let us
learn what 'market rule' looks like, rather than the 'freedom'
regulated by bureaucrats that we know today - yuk!!
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Fix It Again Tony Owner

2012-02-28 Thread Curt Raymond
I've never driven one but I've ridden in one within the last 6 months. It was a 
red one so it looked and (strangely) smelled like a Target department store.

Seemed like a good car, of course its VERY small but I rode in the back seat 
and it wasn't any worse than you would expect for what it is... Seemed to have 
plenty of power, shifted well, was reasonably comfortable.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:17:51 +1030
From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix It Again Tony Owner
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

FIAT = Failed Italian Attempt at Technology
I drove in one of those 500's a while back and was not impressed, maybe 
they are better now?

Hendrik
who would rather have an Alfa Romeo

On 27/02/12 05:15, Curt Raymond wrote:
 Isn't it amazing to see how fuel economy has become the big story lately? Its 
 always the New 30mpg super-whatever now rather than the 3000hp 
 super-whatever that it was 2 years ago.

 I think that the new hybrids/electric/whatevers helping push higher 
 efficiency in regular gas cars. Well I suppose $3.50/gal gas helps that too.

 After the new Super Bowl commercial I really want to test-drive a Fiat 500 
 Abarth, then I looked up the specs and I really really want to test drive 
 one...


 -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] slooow

2012-02-28 Thread Curt Raymond
You know I drive one 110 miles a day right?

C'mon out, tour historic New England...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:54:00 -0600
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] slooow
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Curt wrote:
 Then theres the mostly rural west with its hippies and other assorted granola 
 eaters.


My amerika!!
I wanna move there with my 3-pedal 240D.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Fix It Again Tony Owner

2012-02-28 Thread Hendrik and Fay
Twas a current one, however to be fair one would have to judge it 
against it's contemporaries. Bit unfair to compare it to a Merc.

BTW Fix It Again Tony is what FIAT stands for.

Hendrik
who is fiddling with the new OS, like putting Macbuntu and Cairo dock 
into it


On 29/02/12 11:36, OK Don wrote:

Was that a 1960's 500 or the current version? I ranked the 1960's Fiat 500
right up there with the Simca and Renaults of the time.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Hendrik and Fayheni...@ozemail.com.auwrote:


FIAT = Failed Italian Attempt at Technology
I drove in one of those 500's a while back and was not impressed, maybe
they are better now?

Hendrik
who would rather have an Alfa Romeo

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Re: [MBZ] slooow

2012-02-28 Thread Mountain Man
Curt wrote:
 You know I drive one 110 miles a day right?

 C'mon out, tour historic New England...

All I need is a reason that might turn to income perhaps?... somehow.
My '81, RIP except in dieselhead vehicle, was from Manchester.  Drove
home with one of my sons, stopping by ARRL to see their station, back
in '98.  We drove late each night and someplace middle of MA we
stopped in rural area for pizza.  Kid running it showed off his Harley
- totally proud of the way it came together and the time/effort he put
to it.  Fun, memorable trip thru rural Mass.
mao

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[MBZ] A clean saw chain

2012-02-28 Thread Fmiser
Figured I would share the results of my chainsaw chain cleaning.

I chose to try lye (sodium hydroxide, caustic soda) first.  And
I'm thrilled at the results.  

I have an old tupperware-like container (discarded from the
kitchen, now working in the garage) that I put the saw chain in,
coiled up in the bottom.  It takes about one cup (0.25 L) of
water to cover the chain.  I add about one teaspoon (10 cc) or
so of the lye I got from the hardware store.

About half an hour later, I drain and rinse the chain.  At this
point, all that's left of the tar, sap, etc is a soft paste-like
stuff.  Much of the gunk is already gone.  I fill the container
with warm water and add a bit of soap and use an old toothbrush
and it takes me about five minutes to get the chain totally
clean.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Fix It Again Tony Owner

2012-02-28 Thread Fred Moir

Fabbrica /Italiana/ Automobil /Torino/

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred


On 2/28/2012 9:00 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:
Twas a current one, however to be fair one would have to judge it 
against it's contemporaries. Bit unfair to compare it to a Merc.

BTW Fix It Again Tony is what FIAT stands for.

Hendrik
who is fiddling with the new OS, like putting Macbuntu and Cairo dock 
into it


On 29/02/12 11:36, OK Don wrote:
Was that a 1960's 500 or the current version? I ranked the 1960's 
Fiat 500

right up there with the Simca and Renaults of the time.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Hendrik and 
Fayheni...@ozemail.com.auwrote:



FIAT = Failed Italian Attempt at Technology
I drove in one of those 500's a while back and was not impressed, maybe
they are better now?

Hendrik
who would rather have an Alfa Romeo

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Re: [MBZ] Fix It Again Tony Owner

2012-02-28 Thread Hendrik and Fay

Yeah and translated in English it says Fix It Again Tony

Hendrik
who knows some things

On 29/02/12 14:00, Fred Moir wrote:

Fabbrica /Italiana/ Automobil /Torino/

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred


On 2/28/2012 9:00 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:
Twas a current one, however to be fair one would have to judge it 
against it's contemporaries. Bit unfair to compare it to a Merc.

BTW Fix It Again Tony is what FIAT stands for.

Hendrik
who is fiddling with the new OS, like putting Macbuntu and Cairo dock 
into it





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Re: [MBZ] A clean saw chain

2012-02-28 Thread Rich Thomas
I wonder if running it through a dishwasher with that dishwasher 
detergent would have a similar effect?  That stuff does a fair job at 
nasty schmutz, and seems fairly nasty in itself.  I had the old dw I 
yanked in the garage, it still sorta worked and I was keeping it to do 
such things, but then gave it to someone whose dw died.


--R

On 2/28/12 10:04 PM, Fmiser wrote:

Figured I would share the results of my chainsaw chain cleaning.

I chose to try lye (sodium hydroxide, caustic soda) first.  And
I'm thrilled at the results.

I have an old tupperware-like container (discarded from the
kitchen, now working in the garage) that I put the saw chain in,
coiled up in the bottom.  It takes about one cup (0.25 L) of
water to cover the chain.  I add about one teaspoon (10 cc) or
so of the lye I got from the hardware store.

About half an hour later, I drain and rinse the chain.  At this
point, all that's left of the tar, sap, etc is a soft paste-like
stuff.  Much of the gunk is already gone.  I fill the container
with warm water and add a bit of soap and use an old toothbrush
and it takes me about five minutes to get the chain totally
clean.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] slooow

2012-02-28 Thread Jim Cathey

...but last week I
drove up to one of the local ski hills (a school outing)

You are an educator?
I thought you were an engineer?


Friday I was transportation engineer.  (Kid's school has
no transpo of its own, I take him to school each day.  Usually
wife does all pickup and field trip duty, but Friday was my
turn.  Took a day off to do it.)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] A clean saw chain

2012-02-28 Thread Scott Ritchey
I've seen oven cleaner (mostly lye) recommended for cleaning carbide
circular saw blades that get gunked up with sap and such.

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Fmiser
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:05 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] A clean saw chain

Figured I would share the results of my chainsaw chain cleaning.

I chose to try lye (sodium hydroxide, caustic soda) first.  And
I'm thrilled at the results.  

I have an old tupperware-like container (discarded from the
kitchen, now working in the garage) that I put the saw chain in,
coiled up in the bottom.  It takes about one cup (0.25 L) of
water to cover the chain.  I add about one teaspoon (10 cc) or
so of the lye I got from the hardware store.

About half an hour later, I drain and rinse the chain.  At this
point, all that's left of the tar, sap, etc is a soft paste-like
stuff.  Much of the gunk is already gone.  I fill the container
with warm water and add a bit of soap and use an old toothbrush
and it takes me about five minutes to get the chain totally
clean.

--Philip

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