Re: [MBZ] 240V
OK Don wrote: Three gallons an hours at $6/hr for 24 hours = $145/day for electricity! No wonder we buy it from the mass producers! This is a good argument for right-sizing the genset for the minimum required load! Figuring the proper load size is my next assignment. A 6kW Generac Guardian backup genset draws .86 gph og propane at half load, 1.08 at full load. 8kW model consumes 1.07 and 1.56 gph 10kw model consumes 1.16 and 2.15 gph www.generac.com/PublicPDFs/C4219.pdf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
OK Don wrote: Didn't Shakespeare write The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.? - Yes, *Henry The Sixth, Part 2 Act 4, scene 2, 71–78*http://www.enotes.com/henryvi-ii-text/act-iv-scene-2#killlawyers. Where are the English majors when we need them? Yep, when plotting tyranny, Shakespeare though it should be done after the barristers were gone. Now we feel like the lawyers are the cause of oppressive laws. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
Yes, we all think that.until the time comes when you REALLY need a lawyer. On Nov 12, 2012, at 12:30 AM, OK Don wrote: If the present Congress errs in too much talking, how can it be otherwise in a body to which the people send one hundred and fifty lawyers, whose trade it is to question everything, yield nothing, and talk by the hour? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good!
I was at a stop light in Queens, NY last week when I was startled by a horn toot to my right. The driver's window was coming down on a new BMW 7 series. Inside, an elderly gentleman with a grey fedora motioned for me to put down my window, and when I did, he said, You've got a really nice car there. Make sure you take care of it. I thanked him, and with that, he smiled, waved, and the window went back up. On Nov 11, 2012, at 6:19 PM, WILTON wrote: At about noon today, I was cruising at about 75+ mph on I-40 westbound between Raleigh and Chapel Hill with a pack of 50 to 60 cars four abreast. The cars were of all makes and colors, of course, and mostly new to nearly new. The interesting thing about the pack, though, was the white 30-year-old MB 123 (300D) that came easing past me on the left and pulled in front of me; 'couldn't help but notice it was the best looking car in the entire pack, and, of course, that's including my 26-year-old 124 (I like the overall looks of a 123 more than a 124). We cruised together for 15 minutes or so until the 123 eased back into far left lane and pulled away. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Ford's next major advance
'Ford even boasted the Wrist-Twist system made parallel parking a breeze, although it’s hard not to raise an eyebrow when the traffic in the background is all moving backwards as it’s being demonstrated. Too funny! --R On 11/12/12 1:02 AM, Hendrik Fay wrote: http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/10/in-1965-ford-wanted-everyone-to-steer-with-their-wrists-what-could-be-safer/ Hendrik who sometimes uses a joystick to steer ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s
Hey Guys, Our new Marine wants to get a cel phone. Can any of you suggest a carrier that will provide him with good service hear and abroad? How about the best price for active service members? Anything elese he should think about when shopping for a phone? Thanks for your help! Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240V
This 25kw diesel unit that I have (it is 1800rpm; there are plenty of small 3600rpm diesel units out there) sucks down something like 1.9gph at 100% load, I think it's approximately 0.6-0.8gph at 25% load... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Nov 11, 2012, at 1:27, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: gensets on Propane/LP - what is the fuel burn rate? My 45kW Kohler sucks down roughly 3 gallons per hour! And that's practically unloaded. I don't run it much... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good!
This stuff happens to me quite a bit, especially when my car is clean and detailed:) The thumbs up and waving gestures are another regular occurrence as well. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 12, 2012, at 7:28 AM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: I was at a stop light in Queens, NY last week when I was startled by a horn toot to my right. The driver's window was coming down on a new BMW 7 series. Inside, an elderly gentleman with a grey fedora motioned for me to put down my window, and when I did, he said, You've got a really nice car there. Make sure you take care of it. I thanked him, and with that, he smiled, waved, and the window went back up. On Nov 11, 2012, at 6:19 PM, WILTON wrote: At about noon today, I was cruising at about 75+ mph on I-40 westbound between Raleigh and Chapel Hill with a pack of 50 to 60 cars four abreast. The cars were of all makes and colors, of course, and mostly new to nearly new. The interesting thing about the pack, though, was the white 30-year-old MB 123 (300D) that came easing past me on the left and pulled in front of me; 'couldn't help but notice it was the best looking car in the entire pack, and, of course, that's including my 26-year-old 124 (I like the overall looks of a 123 more than a 124). We cruised together for 15 minutes or so until the 123 eased back into far left lane and pulled away. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s
Sprint offers a military discount, I've been using them for over a decade, here in the states. For OPSEC purposes (operational security), when overseas, get a new local phone on base. It will probably be far cheaper, (pay-as-you-go, or month-to-month contact) and if you let the contact lapse, next trip just purchase a new agreement with new SIM chip. Bad People will get your overseas phone info, listen in at will. Won't be able to stop that over there, but refraining from using your US phone while abroad will keep them from listening in when you are back in the USA. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Guys, Our new Marine wants to get a cel phone. Can any of you suggest a carrier that will provide him with good service hear and abroad? How about the best price for active service members? Anything elese he should think about when shopping for a phone? Thanks for your help! Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good, as it rolls past another broken down pomy car!
No, to share Lucas horror stories, or to congratulate each other for having their cars running! On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:58 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote: You mean trying to wave down another one to borrow a Whitworth spanner or Lucas bits:-) Hendrik who does not wave at the peasants On 12/11/12 16:07, OK Don wrote: Hmm - need to remember this story - we still wave here in Okie country - at least in my neighborhood. Back when I drove one, the British sports car driver all waved at each other. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laughing curve
Well done, old chap! On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote: One would expect English majors to be in the English army. Hendrik who is ducking for cover On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:30:16 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't Shakespeare write The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.? - Yes, *Henry The Sixth, Part 2 Act 4, scene 2, 71– 78*http://www.enotes.com/**henryvi-ii-text/act-iv-scene-** 2#killlawyershttp://www.enotes.com/henryvi-ii-text/act-iv-scene-2#killlawyers . Where are the English majors when we need them? Asleep in bed, like we should be. :-) Craig __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s
If he is going overseas it might make sense to buy a burner phone and a SIM card you can reload with minutes, wherever he lands. The phones are like $20 and you can buy minutes to top them off whenever you need them. Some US phones have provisions for SIM cards too, so you can use them on non-US networks (which tend to be GSM-based, different from the US modes). Look into Skype and Google voice too for making cheap calls back to US (and from here too -- she had a US # I could call and it would ring her local # in Spain on the burner phone). Using a US phone with international roaming costs big money. Using Skype and iChat and whatnot for calls on the computer works well too, all you need is a wi-fi connection. Most of the new phones have those capabilities too, to use wi-fi connections and not the cell service. My daughter did all this when she was in Spain last year, I must confess to having mimimal knowledge of it other than what I wrote above. --R On 11/12/12 8:56 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: Hey Guys, Our new Marine wants to get a cel phone. Can any of you suggest a carrier that will provide him with good service hear and abroad? How about the best price for active service members? Anything elese he should think about when shopping for a phone? Thanks for your help! Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
Yes, MY lawyer is good, YOUR lawyer is the root of all evil. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: Yes, we all think that.until the time comes when you REALLY need a lawyer. On Nov 12, 2012, at 12:30 AM, OK Don wrote: If the present Congress errs in too much talking, how can it be otherwise in a body to which the people send one hundred and fifty lawyers, whose trade it is to question everything, yield nothing, and talk by the hour? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good, as it rolls past another broken down pomy car!
Exactly. When I had a TR7 back in the day, there were precious few others
who had an English car ( or any non-American union made car for that
matter). I met a fella at the English shop one day and we were talking
about how much DIY-ing any one human could do on these Lucas/Zenith things
and he told me ( when I was 18 and knew absolutely everything) that you had
to watch someone who knew what they were doing perform a job three times
before you should try it in your own. So, long story short, when I called
him for help as I was in the midst of believing I could rebuild my Zenith
carbs, he showed up with a bucket for the parts and a tow strap.
Having sold my first MB ('72 220D) to get this damn TR7 (first power play
of SWMBO), I quickly dropped it like a bad habit and went back to MBs. And
she married me anyway.
Bob R
On Nov 11, 2012 10:58 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
You mean trying to wave down another one to borrow a Whitworth spanner or
Lucas bits:-)
Hendrik
who does not wave at the peasants
On 12/11/12 16:07, OK Don wrote:
Hmm - need to remember this story - we still wave here in Okie country -
at
least in my neighborhood.
Back when I drove one, the British sports car driver all waved at each
other.
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: 240V
Three gallons an hours at $6/hr for 24 hours = $145/day for electricity! No wonder we save up all our heavy loads and run 'em all at once! I think of it as my 'hot shower' genny. Those showers are measured in dollars each. Still worth it! Most of our genny needs are met with the Generattles. Usually not run during daylight hours. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good!
(I like the overall looks of a 123 more than a 124). I, also, except that I really like the looks of 124 wagons. Not the sedans, ugh. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
- Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve OK Don wrote: Didn't Shakespeare write The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.? - Yes, *Henry The Sixth, Part 2 Act 4, scene 2, 71–78*http://www.enotes.com/henryvi-ii-text/act-iv-scene-2#killlawyers. Where are the English majors when we need them? Yep, when plotting tyranny, Shakespeare though it should be done after the barristers were gone. Now we feel like the lawyers are the cause of oppressive laws. Mitch The main problem, according to some scholars, is that new laws are constantly written, but old laws are seldom reviewed and ineffective or no longer necessary ones eliminated. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5390 - Release Date: 11/12/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240V
An important distinction, as a 3600 rpm set, gas or diesel, is going to have a much higher fuel consumption curve than an 1800 rpm set. Dan On Nov 12, 2012, at 9:16 AM, John Reames wrote: This 25kw diesel unit that I have (it is 1800rpm; there are plenty of small 3600rpm diesel units out there) sucks down something like 1.9gph at 100% load, I think it's approximately 0.6-0.8gph at 25% load... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Nov 11, 2012, at 1:27, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: gensets on Propane/LP - what is the fuel burn rate? My 45kW Kohler sucks down roughly 3 gallons per hour! And that's practically unloaded. I don't run it much... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
Gerry Archer wrote: The main problem, according to some scholars, is that new laws are constantly written, but old laws are seldom reviewed and ineffective or no longer necessary ones eliminated. Gerry You touch upon one of my favorite issues. I wouldn't mind seeing a Constitutional Amendment to require them to get rid of two laws for every new one they enact. (of course, eventually they'd run out of laws, but we've already got millions of federal laws so it would take centuries) Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
Right on!!! I've only had to hire a lawyer 3 times, and each time, they have been worth every penny. On Nov 12, 2012, at 9:26 AM, OK Don wrote: Yes, MY lawyer is good, YOUR lawyer is the root of all evil. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: Yes, we all think that.until the time comes when you REALLY need a lawyer. On Nov 12, 2012, at 12:30 AM, OK Don wrote: If the present Congress errs in too much talking, how can it be otherwise in a body to which the people send one hundred and fifty lawyers, whose trade it is to question everything, yield nothing, and talk by the hour? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day
Yeah, Kaneohe! I kept coming up with Klamath, Kalamazoo, etc; 'couldn't make 'em work, of course; 'knew it was NOT Kincheloe, and 'never heard of a KMCAS in contiguous 48 - 'should have gotten out of that box. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day DING DING DING! Wilton wins again! Kaneohe MCAS. Within site of where the bumster stays. It was a seaplane base in WWII. Marine Corps Air Station somewhere - K? Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240V
Just to put a logical thinking path in this discussion. Seems most of you are only thinking about electricity as a full time, on demand, 24/7 feature to be fulfilled by your backup generator. In a strictly practical sense, it doesn't work that way. You can, and should, in a state of survival, use your resources carefully. Once cold, a refrigerator or freezer can set for hours without needing to run, if you monitor the interior temp carefully [a simple indoor/outdoor thermometer with the outdoor sensor placed inside the fridge gives you constant readout of safe temps, for example, battery operated thermometer]. Heater blowers [I know, some people live where it gets cold] don't run 24/7. With planning, your total electrical demand can be timed so the total run time for the generator is reduced. I know, it would require going primitive by your present standard of living, but planning for a disaster requires being ready to adapt and overcome with prior planning. Just a thought, Grant... On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 9:27 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:22:13 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I still can't decide whether to go with Propane or Diesel. I have a 500 gal propane tank that is now only used for the grill and the small guest house when it's really cold. Propane is crazy expensive here, $1.60/gal, IIRC. I've not had sucess finding comparative operations costs between the two fuel sources. From http://www.generatorjoe.net/html/energy.html : --- Fuel Energy Content Conversions The exact values will vary depending on the quality of the fuel and in some cases the pressure. --- For the fuels in question, 1 gallon diesel = 139,200 BTU 1 gallon propane = 91,500 BTU So, from an energy perspective, 1 gallon propane = 0.657 gallon diesel. With on-road diesel at $4.189/gallon and guessing road taxes to be $0.50/gallon, that gives off-road diesel at $3.689/gallon. 0.657 gallon of diesel would then cost $2.42, which makes propane at $1.60/gallon less expensive. Craig OK - thanks! Now that I have a rational and scientific method to compare fuels, I checked on real prices. I found that Propane cost us 2.60/gal last time we filled - not the 1.60 that I quoted. Current prices are: Diesel road taxes in OK + Fed = $0.38/gal. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Diesel_Taxes_April_2009.svg) Diesel ranges from $3.49 to $4.29/gal. but is $3.63 at my usual station now. (http://oklahomacitygasprices.com/index.aspx?fuel=D) So $3.25/gal for a genset. Propane is currently $2.02/gal from our supplier (need to top off the tank!). American Propane Gas Company - http://www.altfuelprices.com/stations/LPG/Oklahoma/Oklahoma-City/ So, $3.25*0.657=$2.14 for Diesel vs. $2.02 for propane - not that much of a delta. Even if the delta were reversed, it certainly is not enough for a 270 or so gallon Diesel tank installation to match the capacity I currently have for propane. I should stay with what I have :) Three gallons an hours at $6/hr for 24 hours = $145/day for electricity! No wonder we buy it from the mass producers! This is a good argument for right-sizing the genset for the minimum required load! Figuring the proper load size is my next assignment. OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laughing curve
98% of the lawyers give the rest a bad name. On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote: One would expect English majors to be in the English army. Hendrik who is ducking for cover On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:30:16 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't Shakespeare write The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.? - Yes, *Henry The Sixth, Part 2 Act 4, scene 2, 71– 78*http://www.enotes.com/**henryvi-ii-text/act-iv-scene-** 2#killlawyershttp://www.enotes.com/henryvi-ii-text/act-iv-scene-2#killlawyers . Where are the English majors when we need them? Asleep in bed, like we should be. :-) Craig __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240V
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 22:27:49 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Three gallons an hours at $6/hr for 24 hours = $145/day for electricity! No wonder we buy it from the mass producers! This is a good argument for right-sizing the genset for the minimum required load! Figuring the proper load size is my next assignment. Yes, indeed. If you can judge fuel consumption as proportional to generator size, from Jim's data, you can say that a 4.5 kW generator would require 0.3 gallons/hour = $14.50/day. Not too bad for an emergency situation. You can, however, not need to run the generator 24 hours/day. In our Little Mobile Home on the Prairie, we had propane heat and a propane refrigerator, both of which did not require electricity. By filling our well's pressure tank (which had a drawdown of 25 gallons) in the morning, we could leave the generator off all day, only turning it on when it got dark. We then turned it off when we went to bed. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good!
I like the 115 and 126 coupes - best looking Benz's, IMHO. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: (I like the overall looks of a 123 more than a 124). I, also, except that I really like the looks of 124 wagons. Not the sedans, ugh. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day
I couldn't have said it better. THANK YOU! Mike and Family On Nov 11, 2012 1:38 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: I know many of you on the list are veterans of the armed forces, and spent many of your strongest years in the service of the United States and other nations instead of pursuing your own ambitions. Thank you for your and your families' sacrifices and service. Sincerely, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240V
A coupla weeks ago here in SC, Darwin visited a couple who were running a generator for reasons unclear (didn't pay the bill but could buy gas?). The neighbors complained about the noise, so they moved the generator inside the trailer. With the predictable consequences. --R On 11/12/12 11:10 AM, G Mann wrote: Just to put a logical thinking path in this discussion. Seems most of you are only thinking about electricity as a full time, on demand, 24/7 feature to be fulfilled by your backup generator. In a strictly practical sense, it doesn't work that way. You can, and should, in a state of survival, use your resources carefully. Once cold, a refrigerator or freezer can set for hours without needing to run, if you monitor the interior temp carefully [a simple indoor/outdoor thermometer with the outdoor sensor placed inside the fridge gives you constant readout of safe temps, for example, battery operated thermometer]. Heater blowers [I know, some people live where it gets cold] don't run 24/7. With planning, your total electrical demand can be timed so the total run time for the generator is reduced. I know, it would require going primitive by your present standard of living, but planning for a disaster requires being ready to adapt and overcome with prior planning. Just a thought, Grant... On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 9:27 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:22:13 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I still can't decide whether to go with Propane or Diesel. I have a 500 gal propane tank that is now only used for the grill and the small guest house when it's really cold. Propane is crazy expensive here, $1.60/gal, IIRC. I've not had sucess finding comparative operations costs between the two fuel sources. From http://www.generatorjoe.net/html/energy.html : --- Fuel Energy Content Conversions The exact values will vary depending on the quality of the fuel and in some cases the pressure. --- For the fuels in question, 1 gallon diesel = 139,200 BTU 1 gallon propane = 91,500 BTU So, from an energy perspective, 1 gallon propane = 0.657 gallon diesel. With on-road diesel at $4.189/gallon and guessing road taxes to be $0.50/gallon, that gives off-road diesel at $3.689/gallon. 0.657 gallon of diesel would then cost $2.42, which makes propane at $1.60/gallon less expensive. Craig OK - thanks! Now that I have a rational and scientific method to compare fuels, I checked on real prices. I found that Propane cost us 2.60/gal last time we filled - not the 1.60 that I quoted. Current prices are: Diesel road taxes in OK + Fed = $0.38/gal. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Diesel_Taxes_April_2009.svg) Diesel ranges from $3.49 to $4.29/gal. but is $3.63 at my usual station now. (http://oklahomacitygasprices.com/index.aspx?fuel=D) So $3.25/gal for a genset. Propane is currently $2.02/gal from our supplier (need to top off the tank!). American Propane Gas Company - http://www.altfuelprices.com/stations/LPG/Oklahoma/Oklahoma-City/ So, $3.25*0.657=$2.14 for Diesel vs. $2.02 for propane - not that much of a delta. Even if the delta were reversed, it certainly is not enough for a 270 or so gallon Diesel tank installation to match the capacity I currently have for propane. I should stay with what I have :) Three gallons an hours at $6/hr for 24 hours = $145/day for electricity! No wonder we buy it from the mass producers! This is a good argument for right-sizing the genset for the minimum required load! Figuring the proper load size is my next assignment. OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
But why do you REALLY need a lawyer? Because the other guy got one... Most of the time things would be better solved if we didn't have the ability to sue each other. -Curt Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 06:58:22 -0500 From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve Message-ID: 6f61cddf-dcee-4d43-b1f0-17da9a356...@gwi.net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Yes, we all think that.until the time comes when you REALLY need a lawyer. On Nov 12, 2012, at 12:30 AM, OK Don wrote: If the present Congress errs in too much talking, how can it be otherwise in a body to which the people send one hundred and fifty lawyers, whose trade it is to question everything, yield nothing, and talk by the hour? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day
I don't think I've told this one here yet... Some years ago when I was in support I got a call from a lady Marine sergeant. I can't remember the problem but it was no big deal though somewhat time consuming. While we were on the phone somebody in the background said something, she turned to him, You will NOT talk like that while I'm on the phone! Well genius doesn't listen and the next thing I know he's doing pushups. I asked How long will he do pushups for? to which she replied Until I tell him to stop. So should I hurry up? Not on my account. Apparently he can't help himself because then he's doing one handed pushups and finally one handed CLAP pushups where he has to push off, clap and catch himself. He succesfully completed the clap maybe 6 times when I heard ugh and a sound of raw meat hitting the floor. and stay down she told him. Interesting folks. -Curt Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:49:26 -0600 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day Message-ID: a062408960ab3e466@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Someone posted the story recently about two Marines who died repelling an insurgent attack on a Marine base in Afghanistan. Today at church I was talking with a retired Marine, turns out he's an aviator and knew and served with the LCOL who died. Small world. He knew the whole story. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Nothing against the other branches, but some of the most memorable people I have met were/are Marines. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
A successful private lawyer/friend once told me that if a lawyer can't make a living in private practice he becomes a judge, and if he can't make it as a judge he goes into politics. He was being facetious, of course, but there may be some truth in it. Gerrywho studiously avoids the necessity of hiring lawyers except for wills and real estate. From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net Right on!!! I've only had to hire a lawyer 3 times, and each time, they have been worth every penny. On Nov 12, 2012, at 9:26 AM, OK Don wrote: Yes, MY lawyer is good, YOUR lawyer is the root of all evil. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: Yes, we all think that.until the time comes when you REALLY need a lawyer. On Nov 12, 2012, at 12:30 AM, OK Don wrote: If the present Congress errs in too much talking, how can it be otherwise in a body to which the people send one hundred and fifty lawyers, whose trade it is to question everything, yield nothing, and talk by the hour? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5390 - Release Date: 11/12/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 'Old bangers' and classic cars to be banned from Paris
Classic cars, motorcycles and lorries are to be banned from Paris within two years under a plan to cut pollution that opponents claim is anti-social, anti-suburban and anti-motorist. Under proposals presented to the city council on Monday, Socialist mayor Bertrand Delanoë intends to outlaw by September 2014 the use of cars and utility vehicles more than 17 years old and lorries or buses more than 18 years old. Motorcycles built before 2004 will also be forbidden, as the mayor said they were the most polluting and noisiest. The old banger ban will apply to all vehicles inside the A86 motorway that surrounds the French capitalsnip http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9672713/Old-bangers-and-classic-cars-to-be-banned-from-Paris.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
Whenever we have bought or sold property we have a lawyer, basically to check the paperwork and to make sure all is being done as it should be. Also, the presence of a lawyer in a real estate transaction seems, at least from our experience, to make what would otherwise be big issues little ones. When the seller, realtor or bank starts creating trouble, a quick bring them back to center call from the lawyer has always gotten things back on track. For the life of me, I can't understand why someone would engage in the most expensive financial transaction they would probably ever be involved in without retaining counsel... Dan On Nov 12, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: But why do you REALLY need a lawyer? Because the other guy got one... Most of the time things would be better solved if we didn't have the ability to sue each other. -Curt Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 06:58:22 -0500 From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve Message-ID: 6f61cddf-dcee-4d43-b1f0-17da9a356...@gwi.net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Yes, we all think that.until the time comes when you REALLY need a lawyer. On Nov 12, 2012, at 12:30 AM, OK Don wrote: If the present Congress errs in too much talking, how can it be otherwise in a body to which the people send one hundred and fifty lawyers, whose trade it is to question everything, yield nothing, and talk by the hour? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s
When my son was in Kuwait and Iraq he was often able to get a wifi signal and contact us with Skype. So I would suggest a phone that can use wifi. I would think that he would need a different SIM card to enable normal phone use overseas. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Canfield Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:57 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s Hey Guys, Our new Marine wants to get a cel phone. Can any of you suggest a carrier that will provide him with good service hear and abroad? How about the best price for active service members? Anything elese he should think about when shopping for a phone? Thanks for your help! Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:20:53 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't think I've told this one here yet... No, you had not. Interesting folks. Indeed! Thanks for the chuckle. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] WTF???
Well, you need a bit more land than many of us have available, but I read an interesting article a while back about bio-digesters in 3rd world countries. They dump every bit of scrap etc into the tank and it produces gas then used for heating and cooking etc. Seems like a good plan. Recycling at its best. Randy On 09/11/2012 7:31 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: Two words, methane gas. Hendrik who produces enough methane gas to power a small city On 10/11/12 01:19, WILTON wrote: How 'bout making electricity very simply by sending the pee stream through a small generating turbine as it falls toward it's usual receptacle? 'Good use of potential energy - gravity. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Banned List ban...@okiebenz.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned] WTF??? Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/08/urine-powered-generator/ How to make electricity from water, urine, etc: 1. Find a source of water. Pee in a container if you have to. 2. Use electrolysis to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen (apparently done with electricity obtained by magic). 3. Burn the hydrogen and oxygen in a portable generator to produce a small fraction of the electricity used in step 2. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: Hey Guys, Our new Marine wants to get a cel phone. Can any of you suggest a carrier that will provide him with good service hear and abroad? How about Not enough information: - living in an urban area in the US? - how long? - deploying to Europe / Asia / ? - wants to keep the same phone in both places? - is data important, or voice-only? If yes/a while/Europe-ish/yes/..., GSM providers (ATT, T-Mobile, some Straight Talk phones) are the way to go. I would hate paying for service in the US while stationed internationally so I would heavily weigh paying full price for an unlocked GSM phone and going with either Straight Talk or T-Mobile while in the US, then buying local SIM cards in whatever country. He can set up Google Voice to have a US number forward to whatever the current number is. Best bet to buy an unlocked GSM phone is Craigslist or Amazon (or Google, the Nexus 4 should be available new for $300). the best price for active service members? Anything elese he should think In the US, the best GSM plan prices I know about are prepaid. If you buy a carrier-subsidized (contract) phone then it will probably come locked, it used to be that ATT would unlock it after 3 months - not sure about T-Mobile. I do not know about military discounts. Prepaid pricing domestically: $45/month for unlimited talk/text/data* on Straight Talk [Wal-Mart] - bring a phone, buy a SIM kit for $15, start paying. Wife uses this. $30/month for unlimited text/100 minutes talk/5GB data on T-Mobile - again, bring a phone, SIM is free in store. I am going to start this once I get a Nexus 4, and drop my Sprint plan. Notice that data is important to me, you can get plans much much cheaper if you just need talk time - I have a $10 per three-month T-Mobile phone I keep active for emergencies. You really have to have a handle on how much talk time you need, though, or you end up overpaying. Internationally prices for minutes are cheaper and less punitive on prepaid, but I've noticed fancy phones are often more expensive overseas (at least where I've been). Best, Tim about when shopping for a phone? Thanks for your help! Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s
Another issue altogether, but there are military spec phones that are much tougher than an average phone. My younger son was very hard on cell phones. His latest has been one of the military spec phones and it has lasted more than 3 full years. Supposed to be waterproof, dust proof and capable of surviving falls etc. A plain phone without the extras but a rubberized case and tough. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Whenever we have bought or sold property we have a lawyer, basically to check the paperwork and to make sure all is being done as it should be. Also, the presence of a lawyer in a real estate transaction seems, at least from our experience, to make what would otherwise be big issues little ones. When the seller, realtor or bank starts creating trouble, a quick bring them back to center call from the lawyer has always gotten things back on track. Well, the two times I've purchased a house I've had a lawyer do the paperwork, and both times the paperwork or research was incorrect in a major way. Of course they never figure this out until it's time to sell, I guess if I was flipping property it would be no big deal but getting them to fix things from 5-7 years ago is a headache. For the life of me, I can't understand why someone would engage in the most expensive financial transaction they would probably ever be involved in without retaining counsel... Agreed (in spite of my experience above). It is very handy to hire a field expert - not necessarily for litigation purposes, but because they know what the pitfalls are and hopefully can avoid them. Same reason I hired a mechanic to do my brakes last time. Best, Tim who Saturday, replaced the driver's front bearing because the mechanic overtightened it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240V
I have not read all of this thread so forgive me if I am bringing up something already dealt with. I would think one of the main attractions of propane is that it can be kept pretty much indefinitely. Gasoline is not so good for that anymore and I hear you folks refer to issues with diesel too, although I have yet to experince it here in the cooler north. I have a 7.5KW Generac that is gasoline powered. I wondered if it would go if I ever needed it. I knew I would have fuel in vehicles that I could get to but wondered if the carb on the engine in the generator would function. So far, it seeems ok. It sits in the shed and I start it about once each year. It has lasted several years without any indication of trouble. I also bought a 10KW propane powered generator that can be run on natural gas but is then rated only at 8KW. My primary motivation was the fact that it would not require gasoline. I might have been happy with diesel had the same opportunity arisen. I have not got it up and running yet (despite having it close to 2 years now - just another item on an endless list). So far, we have not needed either and I hope we never do. Randy On 12/11/2012 10:10 AM, G Mann wrote: Just to put a logical thinking path in this discussion. Seems most of you are only thinking about electricity as a full time, on demand, 24/7 feature to be fulfilled by your backup generator. In a strictly practical sense, it doesn't work that way. You can, and should, in a state of survival, use your resources carefully. Once cold, a refrigerator or freezer can set for hours without needing to run, if you monitor the interior temp carefully [a simple indoor/outdoor thermometer with the outdoor sensor placed inside the fridge gives you constant readout of safe temps, for example, battery operated thermometer]. Heater blowers [I know, some people live where it gets cold] don't run 24/7. With planning, your total electrical demand can be timed so the total run time for the generator is reduced. I know, it would require going primitive by your present standard of living, but planning for a disaster requires being ready to adapt and overcome with prior planning. Just a thought, Grant... On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 9:27 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:22:13 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I still can't decide whether to go with Propane or Diesel. I have a 500 gal propane tank that is now only used for the grill and the small guest house when it's really cold. Propane is crazy expensive here, $1.60/gal, IIRC. I've not had sucess finding comparative operations costs between the two fuel sources. From http://www.generatorjoe.net/html/energy.html : --- Fuel Energy Content Conversions The exact values will vary depending on the quality of the fuel and in some cases the pressure. --- For the fuels in question, 1 gallon diesel = 139,200 BTU 1 gallon propane = 91,500 BTU So, from an energy perspective, 1 gallon propane = 0.657 gallon diesel. With on-road diesel at $4.189/gallon and guessing road taxes to be $0.50/gallon, that gives off-road diesel at $3.689/gallon. 0.657 gallon of diesel would then cost $2.42, which makes propane at $1.60/gallon less expensive. Craig OK - thanks! Now that I have a rational and scientific method to compare fuels, I checked on real prices. I found that Propane cost us 2.60/gal last time we filled - not the 1.60 that I quoted. Current prices are: Diesel road taxes in OK + Fed = $0.38/gal. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Diesel_Taxes_April_2009.svg) Diesel ranges from $3.49 to $4.29/gal. but is $3.63 at my usual station now. (http://oklahomacitygasprices.com/index.aspx?fuel=D) So $3.25/gal for a genset. Propane is currently $2.02/gal from our supplier (need to top off the tank!). American Propane Gas Company - http://www.altfuelprices.com/stations/LPG/Oklahoma/Oklahoma-City/ So, $3.25*0.657=$2.14 for Diesel vs. $2.02 for propane - not that much of a delta. Even if the delta were reversed, it certainly is not enough for a 270 or so gallon Diesel tank installation to match the capacity I currently have for propane. I should stay with what I have :) Three gallons an hours at $6/hr for 24 hours = $145/day for electricity! No wonder we buy it from the mass producers! This is a good argument for right-sizing the genset for the minimum required load! Figuring the proper load size is my next assignment. OK Don ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Vets Day and my thanks to the military
As usual, I smile and accept the thanks bestowed upon me and other veterans this day. I did my bit with the Army in the early 60's and hated it. But it turned out to be a good thing for me. By 1960 I had dropped out of school and was starting to learn many of the things I didn't want to do in life. Like working in a meat packing plant. Since back then they drafted people, rather than wait I volunteered. Then I learned of a lot more things I didn't want to do - such as military life. When I got out I was ready to go back to school and the GI bill helped. It went up from I think $90 a month to $130 when I married another struggling student. That paid the rent for us. There were more twists and turns but I finally got a BA in 1970. Guess who was the only outfit to offer me a decent job? Uncle Sam. That extra five points for being a veteran got me into the Federal Civil Service. And once on board the veteran's preference meant that in case of a reduction in force all the non vets would be out the door before me. That gave me the incentive to lean forward and start hopping from one agency to another in search of promotions. And the work (personnel administration) was half way interesting, especially as I moved up in grade. It came to pass that when I visited military activities the former lowly E-4 was now accorded Colonel.status according to their GS conversion chart. What a life. Except both wife and I found ourselves working more hours than we wanted. We used some of our new money to buy and sell a couple houses in the Washington DC area. That allowed us to bail out of the rat race and live what had become our dream - a hobby farm in the woods. There were a few more lucky twists and our hobby farm became a big chunk of timber which has rewarded us in many ways. All thanks to that honorable discharge from those miserable years in the military. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV The best teachers teach more than they know. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240V
OK Don wrote: Three gallons an hours at $6/hr for 24 hours = $145/day for electricity! No wonder we buy it from the mass producers! This is a good argument for right-sizing the genset for the minimum required load! Figuring the proper load size is my next assignment. Craig wrote: Yes, indeed. If you can judge fuel consumption as proportional to generator size, from Jim's data, you can say that a 4.5 kW generator would require 0.3 gallons/hour = $14.50/day. Not too bad for an emergency situation. Here is a dandy setup. A Yamaha EF4500iSE inverter generator delivered with tri-fuel capability (LP, natural gas, gasoline), 4 kW continuous (4.5 kW max), consumes .5 g/hr at _full_ power, for $3200. http://www.generatorsales.com/order/07688.asp?page=Y07688 Pricey, yes - compared to the constant speed, no-name-china $1000 gasoline only generators available. But it would be hard to find a better portable-type multi-fuel, I think. I'm considering the much smaller (1600 W, 45 lb [20 kg]), much cheaper ($1200) little sister for general purpose portable power. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day
Got herself another ATTAGIRL or ATTASARGE. I'm just kidding, now, so don't get all upset and send a bomb-making crew to my driveway. I know there are many sergeants who are gentlemen and/or ladies, but doesn't it at first seem a bit like one of those oxy somethings to use lady and sergeant together? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day I don't think I've told this one here yet... Some years ago when I was in support I got a call from a lady Marine sergeant. I can't remember the problem but it was no big deal though somewhat time consuming. While we were on the phone somebody in the background said something, she turned to him, You will NOT talk like that while I'm on the phone! Well genius doesn't listen and the next thing I know he's doing pushups. I asked How long will he do pushups for? to which she replied Until I tell him to stop. So should I hurry up? Not on my account. Apparently he can't help himself because then he's doing one handed pushups and finally one handed CLAP pushups where he has to push off, clap and catch himself. He succesfully completed the clap maybe 6 times when I heard ugh and a sound of raw meat hitting the floor. and stay down she told him. Interesting folks. -Curt Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:49:26 -0600 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day Message-ID: a062408960ab3e466@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Someone posted the story recently about two Marines who died repelling an insurgent attack on a Marine base in Afghanistan. Today at church I was talking with a retired Marine, turns out he's an aviator and knew and served with the LCOL who died. Small world. He knew the whole story. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Nothing against the other branches, but some of the most memorable people I have met were/are Marines. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method
Today I did something new: set the injection pump timing on my E300 using the millivolt method. My goal is to improve fuel consumption. The glow-plugs will produce a very small voltage when heated, due to the dissimilar metals used to make them. Measuring this voltage (~12 to 13 millivolts in my case) provides a clue as to the heat of combustion in the pre-chamber. Previously I'd set the IP timing using the locking tool, which I consider to be a rather imprecise way of setting the timing. I made a harness to tie the glow plug wires together at the connector for the pre-glow relay, so I was combining all the voltages. This produced a very steady signal, measured with my Fluke DMM. I found that by retarding the timing, not only did the idle speed increase, but so did the heat of combustion. The voltage peaked after three complete clock-wise wrench revolutions , but if I continued retarding the timing, the idle speed continued to increase. Going for a test drive shortly. Will know if the fuel consumption has improved after a few hundred miles or so. Thanks, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:13:09 -0500 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Got herself another ATTAGIRL or ATTASARGE. I'm just kidding, now, so don't get all upset and send a bomb-making crew to my driveway. I know there are many sergeants who are gentlemen and/or ladies, but doesn't it at first seem a bit like one of those oxy somethings to use lady and sergeant together? ;) Oxymoron, and yes, it does. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day
Yes Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:13:09 -0500 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Got herself another ATTAGIRL or ATTASARGE. I'm just kidding, now, so don't get all upset and send a bomb-making crew to my driveway. I know there are many sergeants who are gentlemen and/or ladies, but doesn't it at first seem a bit like one of those oxy somethings to use lady and sergeant together? ;) Oxymoron, and yes, it does. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:21:44 -0700 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:13:09 -0500 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Got herself another ATTAGIRL or ATTASARGE. I'm just kidding, now, so don't get all upset and send a bomb-making crew to my driveway. I know there are many sergeants who are gentlemen and/or ladies, but doesn't it at first seem a bit like one of those oxy somethings to use lady and sergeant together? ;) Oxymoron, and yes, it does. A stronger oxymoron would be Lady Drill Instructor. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Trip Preparation
Prepared yesterday for a 3000 mile trip to Ohio, Chicago, and return. 1. Oil/filter change, 2. Replaced leaky primer pump, 3. Found failing fuel line from pre-filter to fuel pump: replaced, 4. Installed new Governor Idle Adjust Pin, 5. Cleaned banjo bolt to ALDA and replaced missing washers, 6. Replaced fuel filters. I finally remembered to get some of those tiny o-rings that go on the shaft of the oil filter housing cap. Good thing: as soon as I touched them with the pick, they both disintegrated in to about 3 pieces! I guess I should get the o-rings for the fuel filter bolt next! The new rack damper pin has made an incredible difference in the starting and idle. I had the old one in as far as it would go. Starting was a little rough, and the idle still wasn't as I like it. The new pin was a tad longer and the spring tension was different: I thought it was softer, but I cannot be sure of that. Just need to pick up a bottle of fuel additive (i've been using Howes), and if anyone knows of better product (that I can get), I'd like to hear about it. Cheers, Jon '85 300D 98k ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
Our real estate lawyer has either been a family lawyer already known to us, or a trusted friend who is a dedicated real estate attorney with whom I swap IT support for legal work. Last time I did pay him on a home sale that was especially tortuous I gave him $500, which I thought was a good deal considering it was cash and he probably had maybe 5-6 hours in the whole deal. For the most part real estate is boilerplate stuff and he acts as our mouthpiece, meaning we don't speak to the other party, their real-estate agent or lender. With the advent of email I can get an email from him and have a response in a matter of minutes for him, so his time involved is pretty minimal. Add to this that he is a good friend and we know he has our best interests in mind, too. Dan On Nov 12, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Tim C wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Whenever we have bought or sold property we have a lawyer, basically to check the paperwork and to make sure all is being done as it should be. Also, the presence of a lawyer in a real estate transaction seems, at least from our experience, to make what would otherwise be big issues little ones. When the seller, realtor or bank starts creating trouble, a quick bring them back to center call from the lawyer has always gotten things back on track. Well, the two times I've purchased a house I've had a lawyer do the paperwork, and both times the paperwork or research was incorrect in a major way. Of course they never figure this out until it's time to sell, I guess if I was flipping property it would be no big deal but getting them to fix things from 5-7 years ago is a headache. For the life of me, I can't understand why someone would engage in the most expensive financial transaction they would probably ever be involved in without retaining counsel... Agreed (in spite of my experience above). It is very handy to hire a field expert - not necessarily for litigation purposes, but because they know what the pitfalls are and hopefully can avoid them. Same reason I hired a mechanic to do my brakes last time. Best, Tim who Saturday, replaced the driver's front bearing because the mechanic overtightened it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240V
Randy Bennell wrote: I have a 7.5KW Generac that is gasoline powered. I wondered if it would go if I ever needed it. I knew I would have fuel in vehicles that I could get to but wondered if the carb on the engine in the generator would function. So far, it seeems ok. It sits in the shed and I start it about once each year. It has lasted several years without any indication of trouble. It's usually not difficult to convert a gasoline otto-cycle engine to propane power. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day
Yep Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:21:44 -0700 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:13:09 -0500 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Got herself another ATTAGIRL or ATTASARGE. I'm just kidding, now, so don't get all upset and send a bomb-making crew to my driveway. I know there are many sergeants who are gentlemen and/or ladies, but doesn't it at first seem a bit like one of those oxy somethings to use lady and sergeant together? ;) Oxymoron, and yes, it does. A stronger oxymoron would be Lady Drill Instructor. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Most of the time things would be better solved if we didn't have the ability to sue each other. And how would things get solved then? -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
Real-estate transactions seem to be completely standardized at least if there is a conforming mortgage loan. The one time I had a lawyer involved when we bought a house he didn't really seem to do anything but collect a fee. He reviewed the boilerplate documents, changed nothing, and was a warm body in the room at the closing. Allan Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com writes: Whenever we have bought or sold property we have a lawyer, basically to check the paperwork and to make sure all is being done as it should be. Also, the presence of a lawyer in a real estate transaction seems, at least from our experience, to make what would otherwise be big issues little ones. When the seller, realtor or bank starts creating trouble, a quick bring them back to center call from the lawyer has always gotten things back on track. For the life of me, I can't understand why someone would engage in the most expensive financial transaction they would probably ever be involved in without retaining counsel... Dan -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
Duels at dawn. 10 paces. How bad do you want to sue me? --R On 11/12/12 5:51 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Most of the time things would be better solved if we didn't have the ability to sue each other. And how would things get solved then? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Y'all need one or more of these
57 190SL $89k http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/3405133141.html Down from $3990! 1981 MERCEDES BENZ C240 DIESEL (REASONABLE OFFERS CONSIDERED!!) http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/3404349700.html 1972 MERCEDES (1929) KIT CAR - $3995 http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/3391068663.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Y'all need one or more of these
Before I even saw the kit car, I KNEW there was gonna be something about the wheels trying to make the car. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 6:16 PM Subject: [MBZ] Y'all need one or more of these 57 190SL $89k http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/3405133141.html Down from $3990! 1981 MERCEDES BENZ C240 DIESEL (REASONABLE OFFERS CONSIDERED!!) http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/3404349700.html 1972 MERCEDES (1929) KIT CAR - $3995 http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/3391068663.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 2014 W205 C-Class
Luddites should not look at this: www.autoevolution.com/news/2014-mercedes-c-class-w205-getting-new-engines-do uble-clutch-4matic-50959.html RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2014 W205 C-Class
Three different diesel engines, I'll bet none of them are offered in the US. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD relng...@aol.com wrote: Luddites should not look at this: www.autoevolution.com/news/2014-mercedes-c-class-w205-getting-new-engines-do uble-clutch-4matic-50959.html RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2014 W205 C-Class
Can't open link. Does it refer to the Nissan 4 cylinder? barf! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 12, 2012, at 6:27 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: Luddites should not look at this: www.autoevolution.com/news/2014-mercedes-c-class-w205-getting-new-engines-do uble-clutch-4matic-50959.html RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240V
I think it depends also on what you have now. If you already have a big off-the-road Diesel tank for tractors, etc, I'd go that way. Another plus for Diesel is that you can go out and get some on Jerry cans if you need it but you need a tanker truck to deliver LP, at their convenience. If you have reliable natural gas, I think NG is the overall winner. LP is best for long-term storage but LP can be pricey. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 8:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240V For those of you running gensets on Propane/LP - what is the fuel burn rate? How long can you run on am 80% full 500 gal. tank? I still can't decide whether to go with Propane or Diesel. I have a 500 gal propane tank that is now only used for the grill and the small guest house when it's really cold. Propane is crazy expensive here, $1.60/gal, IIRC. I've not had sucess finding comparative operations costs between the two fuel sources. On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: If you have a liquid withdrawal system, it has a combination vaporizer regulator that engine coolant flows through to vaporize the liquid LP. Since it's reliant on engine coolant for the heat to vaporize the liquid LP, if you live in a temperate area it's important to have an engine block heater. If it's really cold and you don't, you can have issues with how much load the engine/generator can carry until it generates enough heat to vaporize the LP fast enough for the engine. It's a rare condition, and as you might imagine, only lasts for a very short time. Liquid LP boils around -44F, so it has to be pretty darned cold for it not to vaporize, or vaporize slowly Dan On Nov 10, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: you need a big LP tank to maintain pressure at high withdrawal rates. Liquid feed, like my 45kW Kohler? The heat of vaporization is supplied by its IMPCO heat exchanger rather than by the environment around the fuel tank. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was] 240V now Generators
My Generac manual gave the following NG and LP fuel consumption estimates: Size*** Model #Nat. Gas (*) LP Vapor (**) Model 1/2 Load Full Load 1/2 LoadFull Load 6/7 KW 04389661190.82/30 1.47/54 12 KW04456 1522151.53/56 2.08/76 13/15 KW 04390 1562201.58/58 2.40/88 *Natural gas is in cubic feet per hour. **LP is in gallons per hour/cubic feet per hour. KW rating for NG/LP -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 8:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240V For those of you running gensets on Propane/LP - what is the fuel burn rate? How long can you run on am 80% full 500 gal. tank? I still can't decide whether to go with Propane or Diesel. I have a 500 gal propane tank that is now only used for the grill and the small guest house when it's really cold. Propane is crazy expensive here, $1.60/gal, IIRC. I've not had sucess finding comparative operations costs between the two fuel sources. On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: If you have a liquid withdrawal system, it has a combination vaporizer regulator that engine coolant flows through to vaporize the liquid LP. Since it's reliant on engine coolant for the heat to vaporize the liquid LP, if you live in a temperate area it's important to have an engine block heater. If it's really cold and you don't, you can have issues with how much load the engine/generator can carry until it generates enough heat to vaporize the LP fast enough for the engine. It's a rare condition, and as you might imagine, only lasts for a very short time. Liquid LP boils around -44F, so it has to be pretty darned cold for it not to vaporize, or vaporize slowly Dan On Nov 10, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: you need a big LP tank to maintain pressure at high withdrawal rates. Liquid feed, like my 45kW Kohler? The heat of vaporization is supplied by its IMPCO heat exchanger rather than by the environment around the fuel tank. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
John Kasich deserves most of the credit for the surprise budget surplus under Clinton. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Brian Toscano Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 2:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve I've seen similar charts for the U.S. for 1980-2004 - Republicans ramp up spending. Clinton actually balanced the budget with a bit higher taxes, but also enjoyed explosive growth in the stock market for much of his presidency. Then the dot.com bubble burst, GWB inherited that, dealt with 9/11, invaded Iraq, and cut our taxes, and sent us checks while the country was at war. Debt increased steadily with GWB, and then the world economy tanked towards the end of his presidency. Since GWB, government spending has been on the increase without higher taxes. Decades ago, when the country was at war, tax rates increased to the point where the highest bracket was paid by only one person - John D. Rockefeller. On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Is it time for someone to mention Hitler? grin Dan On Nov 11, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Craig wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 10:21:14 -0500 Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: I think it normally works this way: 1) The President proposes a budget, and 2) Congress passes the budget. It's supposed to be: 1) The House of Representatives develops and passes a budget bill, 2) The Senate also passes the bill, subject to negotiations with the House, and, 3) The President signs the bill and the U.S. has a budget. Note that recently no budget has been passed, only Continuing Resolutions, which continue the previous spending. Our duly elected representatives kicking the can down the road. If you look historically, almost all budgets were within 3% (plus or minus) of what each President has proposed. Probably to avoid the threat of a veto. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Y'all need one or more of these B or C class Diesel CARS
Hey come on now, it's a C class, which may tempt Roger, has cupholders (although you could probably stick your cup in one of the cracks on the dash). Apparently it's gold and tan (seller is colour blind) and the Mercedez (seller is perhaps a native Spanish speaker?) engine will last forever (seller has ability to see into the future) or perhaps engine does not run and hence will last forever? Hendrik WHO HAS A MERCEDEZ-E WITH 300TE TRIM AND COLOR IS PURPLE, PINK On 13/11/12 09:46, Rich Thomas wrote: Down from $3990! 1981 MERCEDES BENZ C240 DIESEL (REASONABLE OFFERS CONSIDERED!!) http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/3404349700.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day
She was very nice to me and never lost her cool when dealing with the miscreant. She just made it very clear in a very stern tone that she wasn't buying what he was selling... We conducted our business, got her system working again, she thanked me and that was that. -Curt Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:13:09 -0500 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day Message-ID: A7B2A8CAE01945B78542988F8E68BCC9@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Got herself another ATTAGIRL or ATTASARGE. I'm just kidding, now, so don't get all upset and send a bomb-making crew to my driveway. I know there are many sergeants who are gentlemen and/or ladies, but doesn't it at first seem a bit like one of those oxy somethings to use lady and sergeant together? ;) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trip Preparation
Why do you need fuel additive? If the car runs well just run it. Theres no problem with lubricating properties because the bulk of the IP is lubricated by engine oil unlike on some other diesel engines. As an additive I'm pretty well sold on bio-diesel. Wish it was handier for me to get. -Curt Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:59:29 -0500 From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Trip Preparation Message-ID: 4bbdf68d-9598-49a6-80d0-69e7aed10...@gwi.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Prepared yesterday for a 3000 mile trip to Ohio, Chicago, and return. 1. Oil/filter change, 2. Replaced leaky primer pump, 3. Found failing fuel line from pre-filter to fuel pump: replaced, 4. Installed new Governor Idle Adjust Pin, 5. Cleaned banjo bolt to ALDA and replaced missing washers, 6. Replaced fuel filters. I finally remembered to get some of those tiny o-rings that go on the shaft of the oil filter housing cap. Good thing: as soon as I touched them with the pick, they both disintegrated in to about 3 pieces! I guess I should get the o-rings for the fuel filter bolt next! The new rack damper pin has made an incredible difference in the starting and idle. I had the old one in as far as it would go. Starting was a little rough, and the idle still wasn't as I like it. The new pin was a tad longer and the spring tension was different: I thought it was softer, but I cannot be sure of that. Just need to pick up a bottle of fuel additive (i've been using Howes), and if anyone knows of better product (that I can get), I'd like to hear about it. Cheers, Jon '85 300D 98k ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
People might actually talk to each other occasionally, maybe solve problems like an adult. Part of the problem with suing is that idiots that have no idea what bringing a lawsuit is all about get talked into it by some ambulance chaser thats just looking to make a buck. In the end I think we might be better served if dueling was brought back into vogue. I'll refer you to James May's Man Lab season 1 episode 2 which is available on YouTube. --- On Mon, 11/12/12, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com, Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, November 12, 2012, 5:51 PM Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Most of the time things would be better solved if we didn't have the ability to sue each other. And how would things get solved then? -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240V
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:04:34 -0600 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: It's usually not difficult to convert a gasoline otto-cycle engine to propane power. I converted an '81 Chevette engine to propane for our generator set. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day
Like I said, I was kidding. She does sound like a lady, indeed. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day She was very nice to me and never lost her cool when dealing with the miscreant. She just made it very clear in a very stern tone that she wasn't buying what he was selling... We conducted our business, got her system working again, she thanked me and that was that. -Curt Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:13:09 -0500 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day Message-ID: A7B2A8CAE01945B78542988F8E68BCC9@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Got herself another ATTAGIRL or ATTASARGE. I'm just kidding, now, so don't get all upset and send a bomb-making crew to my driveway. I know there are many sergeants who are gentlemen and/or ladies, but doesn't it at first seem a bit like one of those oxy somethings to use lady and sergeant together? ;) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trip Preparation
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:28:51 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Why do you need fuel additive? Probably for anti-gell in cold weather. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2014 W205 C-Class
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:41:33 -0500 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Can't open link. Does it refer to the Nissan 4 cylinder? barf! The link was split into two lines; just join the two parts. Perhaps this will work better: www.autoevolution.com/news/2014-mercedes-c-class-w205-getting-new-engines-double-clutch-4matic-50959.html Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trip Preparation
Jon wrote: Just need to pick up a bottle of fuel additive (i've been using Howes), and if anyone knows of better product (that I can get), I'd like to hear about it. We Power Service fuel additive here outside Chicago so that we have better chance of easy start in cold weather. Farm Fleet sells it and also many of the truck stops sell it. Maybe the other parts houses sell it also. Craig - I looked up gwi.net to see it is Maine. Jon - If you spend any time here in Chicago area, both Luther and I are in west suburbs and would love to put face to the name, if you have time. Plus, we could meet again at the country's best hot dog place like we did a couple years back when Whomever from Tucson came through. It's been too long since I have had a Gene Jude's double dog with fries. They really do make their reputation - best in the land as pronounced at HuffPost a couple years ago. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Which?
...Hey come on now, it's a C class, which may tempt Roger, has cupholders (although you could probably stick your cup in one of the cracks on the dash). Apparently it's gold and tan (seller is colour blind) and the Mercedez (seller is perhaps a native Spanish speaker?) engine will last forever (seller has ability to see into the future) or perhaps engine does not run and hence will last forever?.. On what planet was a 123 called a C-Class? It's just another ivory-ish 123 240D. And the only cup holders would be on the end of each arm? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trip Preparation
Plus, we could meet again at the country's best hot dog place like we did a couple years back when Whomever from Tucson came through. Whomever - That is Bob Rentro of Tucson. Also RickK is in the area. We could almost have a ChiTownChowdaQ style meetup but with Chicago style hot dogs... if you have time and want to visit face to face... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240V
Rich Thomas wrote: A coupla weeks ago here in SC, Darwin visited a couple who were running a generator for reasons unclear (didn't pay the bill but could buy gas?). The neighbors complained about the noise, so they moved the generator inside the trailer. With the predictable consequences. A guy who graduated from my high school a few years ahead of me ran off and joined the carnival. One cold night he and his girlfriend got cold and cozied up in the generator trailer to keep warm. Don't ask me how you could hope to sleep with all that noise, but I guess when the CO level in your bloodstream gets high enough you go to sleep regardless of the noise. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was] 240V now Generators
Thanks - have you verified the numbers with actual experience? On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: My Generac manual gave the following NG and LP fuel consumption estimates: Size*** Model #Nat. Gas (*) LP Vapor (**) Model 1/2 Load Full Load 1/2 LoadFull Load 6/7 KW 04389661190.82/30 1.47/54 12 KW04456 1522151.53/56 2.08/76 13/15 KW 04390 1562201.58/58 2.40/88 *Natural gas is in cubic feet per hour. **LP is in gallons per hour/cubic feet per hour. KW rating for NG/LP -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 8:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240V For those of you running gensets on Propane/LP - what is the fuel burn rate? How long can you run on am 80% full 500 gal. tank? I still can't decide whether to go with Propane or Diesel. I have a 500 gal propane tank that is now only used for the grill and the small guest house when it's really cold. Propane is crazy expensive here, $1.60/gal, IIRC. I've not had sucess finding comparative operations costs between the two fuel sources. On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: If you have a liquid withdrawal system, it has a combination vaporizer regulator that engine coolant flows through to vaporize the liquid LP. Since it's reliant on engine coolant for the heat to vaporize the liquid LP, if you live in a temperate area it's important to have an engine block heater. If it's really cold and you don't, you can have issues with how much load the engine/generator can carry until it generates enough heat to vaporize the LP fast enough for the engine. It's a rare condition, and as you might imagine, only lasts for a very short time. Liquid LP boils around -44F, so it has to be pretty darned cold for it not to vaporize, or vaporize slowly Dan On Nov 10, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: you need a big LP tank to maintain pressure at high withdrawal rates. Liquid feed, like my 45kW Kohler? The heat of vaporization is supplied by its IMPCO heat exchanger rather than by the environment around the fuel tank. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Shysters WAS:The Laffer curve
On Nov 12, 2012, at 12:30 AM, OK Don wrote: If the present Congress errs in too much talking, how can it be otherwise in a body to which the people send one hundred and fifty lawyers, whose trade it is to question everything, yield nothing, and talk by the hour? 150? Try 545! 435 Reps 100 Senate 9 fat old blobs in black robes 1 bozo in chief _ 545! I could be convinced to retain 2. Bachman and King. There may be a few others worth retaining. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
Ah - but the threat of a suit or other legal action can sometimes be very helpful in getting the scoundrels to behave. Case in point - purchaser of Dad's office building decided to stop making payments for a couple of months, just as we were wrapping up probate. Kept saying the check's in the mail. A letter from our lawyer invoking the foreclosure clause in the contract brought a check right away. It did take a second letter form the lawyer to get the penalty payment (also in the contract) ti get the note re-instated by me. He hasn't missed a payment since. I'd rather have the money flowing into the estate than shoot the guy. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Most of the time things would be better solved if we didn't have the ability to sue each other. And how would things get solved then? -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2014 W205 C-Class
Sounds sweet, so far. I really like the dual clutch tranny in the VW - one from Ma Benz should be even better. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:41:33 -0500 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Can't open link. Does it refer to the Nissan 4 cylinder? barf! The link was split into two lines; just join the two parts. Perhaps this will work better: www.autoevolution.com/news/2014-mercedes-c-class-w205-getting-new-engines-double-clutch-4matic-50959.html Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
OKIE DON SEZ: Yes, MY lawyer is good, YOUR lawyer is the root of all evil. You must have better shysters in Okieland than the rest of the country. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W123 flip
http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/player/gorillavid.php?id=bqg5qo8cz94w UK car flip show. Much better than the texas one clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
Nope - just happened to luck into one that seems good. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: OKIE DON SEZ: Yes, MY lawyer is good, YOUR lawyer is the root of all evil. You must have better shysters in Okieland than the rest of the country. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s
The rest of the world likes the GSM phones, so look at T mobile for something. Might be better to figure out if he is headed to the Sand Box, which would require a rather stout and simple phone, or one of the resort postings in Europe where a much more option soaked phone will do fine. A world phone from any of the carriers will do well. I would think about sourcing a burner phone and using pay as you go SIM card here and then hit the souk and pick up another burner SIM when in country. No massive roaming charges. You do end up with a new number each time though. clay On Nov 12, 2012, at 5:56 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: Hey Guys, Our new Marine wants to get a cel phone. Can any of you suggest a carrier that will provide him with good service hear and abroad? How about the best price for active service members? Anything elese he should think about when shopping for a phone? Thanks for your help! Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s
Rings a bell. I was advised to not take any of my electronics with me, as they would be scoured at port of entry and loaded with worms and virii. Go in clean, get your tech on the ground and dump it when you exit. clay On Nov 12, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Sprint offers a military discount, I've been using them for over a decade, here in the states. For OPSEC purposes (operational security), when overseas, get a new local phone on base. It will probably be far cheaper, (pay-as-you-go, or month-to-month contact) and if you let the contact lapse, next trip just purchase a new agreement with new SIM chip. Bad People will get your overseas phone info, listen in at will. Won't be able to stop that over there, but refraining from using your US phone while abroad will keep them from listening in when you are back in the USA. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Guys, Our new Marine wants to get a cel phone. Can any of you suggest a carrier that will provide him with good service hear and abroad? How about the best price for active service members? Anything elese he should think about when shopping for a phone? Thanks for your help! Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 flip
Sorry, wrong link this is the good one http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/player/gorillavid.php?id=c4mo103zcaco On Nov 12, 2012, at 6:03 PM, clay monroe wrote: http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/player/gorillavid.php?id=bqg5qo8cz94w UK car flip show. Much better than the texas one clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trip Preparation
Not if the fuel comes from a good station in the first place. I rarely ever add anything to my fuel. I've only had gelled fuel once and that was the tank that was in my '85 190D when I got it. IIRC Jon lives in Brunswick, Maine which if anything is warmer than where I am in central MA as hes closer to the ocean. -Curt Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:58:47 -0700 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trip Preparation Message-ID: 20121112175847.9373859f94c3af092d8b3...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:28:51 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Why do you need fuel additive? Probably for anti-gell in cold weather. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s
'Don't know the details of Grndson's phone during his school year in France, but it also worked great from Budapest, Hungary; Sarajevo, Bosnia, Milan, Italy; Vilnius, Lithuania; Kiev, Ukraine; Krakow Auschwitz, Poland, etc., also. Wilton - Original Message - From: clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s Rings a bell. I was advised to not take any of my electronics with me, as they would be scoured at port of entry and loaded with worms and virii. Go in clean, get your tech on the ground and dump it when you exit. clay On Nov 12, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Sprint offers a military discount, I've been using them for over a decade, here in the states. For OPSEC purposes (operational security), when overseas, get a new local phone on base. It will probably be far cheaper, (pay-as-you-go, or month-to-month contact) and if you let the contact lapse, next trip just purchase a new agreement with new SIM chip. Bad People will get your overseas phone info, listen in at will. Won't be able to stop that over there, but refraining from using your US phone while abroad will keep them from listening in when you are back in the USA. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Guys, Our new Marine wants to get a cel phone. Can any of you suggest a carrier that will provide him with good service hear and abroad? How about the best price for active service members? Anything elese he should think about when shopping for a phone? Thanks for your help! Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
One of my previous jobs was collections agent for a land survey company. Its amazing when you show up at somebodys door with a cop how quickly people decide its time to pay. The cop never said anything. I forget what we had to pay to have a cop escort me around but it was cheap cheap compared to a lawyer. He'd just stand out at the end of the driveway while I went up to the house and suggested the people might like to pay us. One time I went to a law office, we'd done a big site survey for a lawyer's house, big job like a 150 acre lot or something. Of course the guy is never home to play my game with so I decide to go to his office unannounced. I go right at lunch time and the cop stands in the reception area while I get ushered in and the lawyer starts counting out hundred dollar bills... There are plenty of ways to threaten people, the best ones involve no overt threat at all. -Curt From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve Message-ID: canzcij-om9x41ywzvchkqrauejph-pwzuoyb32m_3e4-c_v...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ah - but the threat of a suit or other legal action can sometimes be very helpful in getting the scoundrels to behave. Case in point - purchaser of Dad's office building decided to stop making payments for a couple of months, just as we were wrapping up probate. Kept saying the check's in the mail. A letter from our lawyer invoking the foreclosure clause in the contract brought a check right away. It did take a second letter form the lawyer to get the penalty payment (also in the contract) ti get the note re-instated by me. He hasn't missed a payment since. I'd rather have the money flowing into the estate than shoot the guy. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Most of the time things would be better solved if we didn't have the ability to sue each other. And how would things get solved then? -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
I though maybe it was because the OSU mascot eliminated them. Whoof (blowing on the end of the barrel) Nope - just happened to luck into one that seems good. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: OKIE DON SEZ: Yes, MY lawyer is good, YOUR lawyer is the root of all evil. You must have better shysters in Okieland than the rest of the country. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s
'Don't know the details of Grndson's phone during his school year in France, but it also worked great from Budapest, Hungary; Sarajevo, Bosnia, Milan, Italy; Vilnius, Lithuania; Kiev, Ukraine; Krakow Auschwitz, Poland, etc., also. Wilton GSM phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trip Preparation
Not if the fuel comes from a good station in the first place. I rarely ever add anything to my fuel. I've only had gelled fuel once and that was the tank that was in my '85 190D when I got it. IIRC Jon lives in Brunswick, Maine which if anything is warmer than where I am in central MA as hes closer to the ocean. -Curt Gotta watch out for the big truck stops in the winter. Trucks now run fuel heaters, and use Summer #2D year round. Last gel I had was maybe 8 years ago when a station I bought fuel at regularly changed hands, and switched to pumping summer fuel year round. No signs, no notice. Just SOL. Next time I was through I asked why, and got the story, but no apologies. Smaller stations that have a regular clientele of pickem ups, tractors ,and Dissel cars are safer in the winter. only additives I use are biocide in summer, and occasional #1 or kerosene in the winter. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trip Preparation
That was Bob from AZ. I 2nd the Power Service, they make a great product. BUT, most pump diesel is protected down to -20F and spending that extra money isn't needed. If you do use Power service, use 1/2 of the recommended dose. Also, MB diesels don't need additive, just good hard driving and Italian Tuneups. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (158,xxx mi) On 11/12/2012 5:02 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Jon wrote: Just need to pick up a bottle of fuel additive (i've been using Howes), and if anyone knows of better product (that I can get), I'd like to hear about it. We Power Service fuel additive here outside Chicago so that we have better chance of easy start in cold weather. Farm Fleet sells it and also many of the truck stops sell it. Maybe the other parts houses sell it also. Craig - I looked up gwi.net to see it is Maine. Jon - If you spend any time here in Chicago area, both Luther and I are in west suburbs and would love to put face to the name, if you have time. Plus, we could meet again at the country's best hot dog place like we did a couple years back when Whomever from Tucson came through. It's been too long since I have had a Gene Jude's double dog with fries. They really do make their reputation - best in the land as pronounced at HuffPost a couple years ago. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trip Preparation
Gene Jude's..I think I may have been there maybe 3 or 4 lifetimes agowhen I was 1st hired as an airline pilot. I'll be primarily downtown, Evanston (alma mater), and far north (Waukegan/Libertyville/Gurnee), and this would primarily be toward the end of the monthso we'll have to see how SWMBO is about extra side trips by then. I love a good hot dog stand...used to frequent Col. Mustard's Last Stand in Evanston. Wonder if it is stiil there? On Nov 12, 2012, at 8:02 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Jon wrote: Just need to pick up a bottle of fuel additive (i've been using Howes), and if anyone knows of better product (that I can get), I'd like to hear about it. We Power Service fuel additive here outside Chicago so that we have better chance of easy start in cold weather. Farm Fleet sells it and also many of the truck stops sell it. Maybe the other parts houses sell it also. Craig - I looked up gwi.net to see it is Maine. Jon - If you spend any time here in Chicago area, both Luther and I are in west suburbs and would love to put face to the name, if you have time. Plus, we could meet again at the country's best hot dog place like we did a couple years back when Whomever from Tucson came through. It's been too long since I have had a Gene Jude's double dog with fries. They really do make their reputation - best in the land as pronounced at HuffPost a couple years ago. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Shysters WAS:The Laffer curve
HaHaHa!!! On Nov 12, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Dieselhead wrote: On Nov 12, 2012, at 12:30 AM, OK Don wrote: If the present Congress errs in too much talking, how can it be otherwise in a body to which the people send one hundred and fifty lawyers, whose trade it is to question everything, yield nothing, and talk by the hour? 150? Try 545! 435 Reps 100 Senate 9 fat old blobs in black robes 1 bozo in chief _ 545! I could be convinced to retain 2. Bachman and King. There may be a few others worth retaining. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:20:46 -0500 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Today I did something new: set the injection pump timing on my E300 using the millivolt method. My goal is to improve fuel consumption. Interesting idea. Did you read about it some place, or think it up on your own? I made a harness to tie the glow plug wires together at the connector for the pre-glow relay, so I was combining all the voltages. This produced a very steady signal, measured with my Fluke DMM. Start engine, disconnect glow plug connector from glow plug relay, and connect to your new combining harness, I presume. I found that by retarding the timing, not only did the idle speed increase, but so did the heat of combustion. The voltage peaked after three complete clock-wise wrench revolutions , but if I continued retarding the timing, the idle speed continued to increase. What car is this? For a W123, the phrase three complete clock-wise wrench revolutions doesn't apply. Going for a test drive shortly. Will know if the fuel consumption has improved after a few hundred miles or so. We will be awaiting your test results. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Which planet?
On the planet DR Truck and Auto centre. Twas a jest, the advert clearly states it as being a C240 http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/3404349700.html further it is described as a Mercedes-B 240. The cupholders I refer to can be seen in picture three, residing between the front seats. I cannot fathom any other purpose for that contraption. Unless it is designed to hold spare oil and fuel filters? Rolled up magazines or perhaps some from of smartphone? I have read some comments that the lesser of the compact Mercedes cars, pre the 201, as being the forerunner of the C class, this is perhaps hair splitting and somewhat wrong. However you must agree that way back when the numbers on the back determined the snob factor, running from the 170 up to the 600. Then letters started to creep in and the rest is history. Hendrik who has a 300 class Benz On 13/11/12 11:39, relng...@aol.com wrote the last bit: ...Hey come on now, it's a C class, which may tempt Roger, has cupholders (although you could probably stick your cup in one of the cracks on the dash). Apparently it's gold and tan (seller is colour blind) and the Mercedez (seller is perhaps a native Spanish speaker?) engine will last forever (seller has ability to see into the future) or perhaps engine does not run and hence will last forever?.. On what planet was a 123 called a C-Class? It's just another ivory-ish 123 240D. And the only cup holders would be on the end of each arm? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method
Indeed we will! I do wonder whether optimizing at idle will yield the desired results. It all depends on the accuracy of the mechanical advance, and whether it is even possible to optimize both idel and cruising power in an analog system. We will be awaiting your test results. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:42:59 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed we will! I do wonder whether optimizing at idle will yield the desired results. It all depends on the accuracy of the mechanical advance, and whether it is even possible to optimize both idel and cruising power in an analog system. You certainly could monitor the voltage while driving and maybe even rig up something to make the adjustment, but I think you might want to monitor other things, too. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 'Old bangers' and classic cars to be banned from Paris
That is actually a terrific way to reduce pollution. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Classic cars, motorcycles and lorries are to be banned from Paris within two years under a plan to cut pollution that opponents claim is anti-social, anti-suburban and anti-motorist. Under proposals presented to the city council on Monday, Socialist mayor Bertrand Delanoë intends to outlaw by September 2014 the use of cars and utility vehicles more than 17 years old and lorries or buses more than 18 years old. Motorcycles built before 2004 will also be forbidden, as the mayor said they were the most polluting and noisiest. The old banger ban will apply to all vehicles inside the A86 motorway that surrounds the French capitalsnip http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9672713/Old-bangers-and-classic-cars-to-be-banned-from-Paris.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trip Preparation
That is very interesting, I wonder if that practice is common here as well? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta watch out for the big truck stops in the winter. Trucks now run fuel heaters, and use Summer #2D year round. Last gel I had was maybe 8 years ago when a station I bought fuel at regularly changed hands, and switched to pumping summer fuel year round. No signs, no notice. Just SOL. Next time I was through I asked why, and got the story, but no apologies. Smaller stations that have a regular clientele of pickem ups, tractors ,and Dissel cars are safer in the winter. only additives I use are biocide in summer, and occasional #1 or kerosene in the winter. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method
There is an incredibly long difficult thread on peach parts forum that I read long ago. I've always wanted to try the method. On that forum, the 123 crowd found the injection pump nearly impossible to adjust on a running engine n Car is a 124 sedan with OM606 engine, which has a simple adjustment mechanism for changing pump timing. Loosen the four mounting bolts, fit 8mm socket on extension to adjusting bolt, turn right to retard, left to advance. The purists on that forum mercilessly attacked the method, defending the MB procedure. I think the idea has merit. Origin is Caterpillar, apparently that is how they set injection pump timing at the factory. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:20:46 -0500 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Today I did something new: set the injection pump timing on my E300 using the millivolt method. My goal is to improve fuel consumption. Interesting idea. Did you read about it some place, or think it up on your own? I made a harness to tie the glow plug wires together at the connector for the pre-glow relay, so I was combining all the voltages. This produced a very steady signal, measured with my Fluke DMM. Start engine, disconnect glow plug connector from glow plug relay, and connect to your new combining harness, I presume. I found that by retarding the timing, not only did the idle speed increase, but so did the heat of combustion. The voltage peaked after three complete clock-wise wrench revolutions , but if I continued retarding the timing, the idle speed continued to increase. What car is this? For a W123, the phrase three complete clock-wise wrench revolutions doesn't apply. Going for a test drive shortly. Will know if the fuel consumption has improved after a few hundred miles or so. We will be awaiting your test results. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trip Preparation
Curt wrote Why do you need fuel additive? Craig wrote: Probably for anti-gell in cold weather. Shouldn't be necessary if the fuel is purchased in the same season and region it's used. That is, don't expect fuel purchased in August (February in the southern hemisphere) not to gel in February (August in the southern hemisphere). Also fuel purchased in south Texas might gel in Chicago - but even a big truck with 300 gallons [1100 liters] won't have much fuel left by the time it drives that far. --Philip, who wishes he could drive for two days on a tank of fuel in any of his cars. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
