date:20131222

I would agree, as even my level of nit-pickyness wouldn't mandate replacing
adjusting bolts unless they were coming out for another job.

I see a lot of the work specified here as being near overkill. How leaky are
the rear struts? Is the rear suspension clunking? If the self-leveling system
is working properly and not bottoming out under load or driving conditions,
there is nothing that would indicate replacement of the major components. I
would add that a number of people have successfully rebuilt leaky rear struts
as well.

I wonder about the amount of work going into a car of that age. You have to
take a step back and ask yourself if it's really necessary.

I'm thinking someone's mechanic is looking to buy a new boat

Dan

On Dec 22, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

Replacing the rear control arms for play? What? That sounds ridiculous.
Why wouldn't you replace just loose bushings?

Replace camber adjusting bolts? Unless the car is so rusty they won't come
out without damage there is no need to replace them. They don't wear out.

I don't know your mechanic but it sounds like he saw you coming and is
taking advantage of your lack of expertise on the subject.

Anyone else catch that?

Mike
On Dec 21, 2013 6:56 PM, r...@rhonald.me wrote:

OK, I am getting new Bilstein shocks in front, Sachs-Boge self leveling
shocks and Febi accumulators in the rear. The car is still perfectly level
even when loaded.

3. Where is the hydraulic suspension filter located for the self leveling
suspension in the rear?

Thanks

Original Message
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines
From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, December 21, 2013 12:38 pm
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 11:24 AM, r...@rhonald.me wrote:

Morning All, I am ready to replace the oil cooler hoses on the wagon. I
was price shopping, and came across these.

https://mercedessource.com/store/116-123-617-turbo-diesel-upper-oil-cooler-hose-instructions

Has anyone had experience with these? The German company?

Looking for recommendations.

Thanks

R
85 300TD Wagon 230,000 miles

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Microsoft still updating Windows XP?

On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 19:36:02 -0700 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:58:55 -0800 Alex Chamberlain
 apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net
  wrote:
 
   99% of the CPU. I then used Task Manager to end the svchost.exe
   process and saw the CPU usage drop, eventhough svchost.exe was
   automatically restarted. I restarted Windows Update, which started
   IE. I saw svchost.exe again taking 99% of CPU and ended its process
   again.
  
  
  Sounds like you are running into this issue:
  
  http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/12/exponential-algorithm-making-windows-xp-miserable-could-be-fixed/
 
 Yes, that sounds like the problem.

From that article, I inferred that if I just left the Windows Update
running, it would eventually complete the O(2^n) process. After my Garmin
maps update completed, I restarted Windows Update and left it. This
morning I returned to my laptop to find that Windows Update had indeed
completed and said I had 41 updates. I told Windows Update to go ahead
and it is now in the process of downloading and installing.

With the new n being 41 greater than the old n, I can just imagine how
long it will take next time.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon castor Adjustors and other suspension stuff

2013-12-22 Thread Michael Canfield

If Martha wouldn't replace it then it doesn't need done.lol

I didn't catch the part about still sitting level. Sure does seem like a
lot of work for it's old, it might go bad, new is better. The whole car
is a collection of used parts, why pick out ones that aren't broken to
upgrade to new? It'll be ok, make it drive nice and be safe and call it
good. If it ain't broke, don't fix it is the motto around here.

Mike
On Dec 22, 2013 9:51 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

I would agree, as even my level of nit-pickyness wouldn't mandate
replacing adjusting bolts unless they were coming out for another job.

I see a lot of the work specified here as being near overkill. How leaky
are the rear struts? Is the rear suspension clunking? If the
self-leveling system is working properly and not bottoming out under load
or driving conditions, there is nothing that would indicate replacement of
the major components. I would add that a number of people have
successfully rebuilt leaky rear struts as well.

I wonder about the amount of work going into a car of that age. You have
to take a step back and ask yourself if it's really necessary.

I'm thinking someone's mechanic is looking to buy a new boat

Dan

On Dec 22, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

Replacing the rear control arms for play? What? That sounds ridiculous.
Why wouldn't you replace just loose bushings?

Replace camber adjusting bolts? Unless the car is so rusty they won't
come
out without damage there is no need to replace them. They don't wear
out.

I don't know your mechanic but it sounds like he saw you coming and is
taking advantage of your lack of expertise on the subject.

Anyone else catch that?

Mike
On Dec 21, 2013 6:56 PM, r...@rhonald.me wrote:

OK, I am getting new Bilstein shocks in front, Sachs-Boge self leveling
shocks and Febi accumulators in the rear. The car is still perfectly
level
even when loaded.

2. Deciding whether to have the ball joints done at the same time
though
there is no inspection reports of wear noted and the car does not
present
any tracking issues. Is it possible to check anything when it is not on
the lift? Two boots and two boot kits, correct? Just wanting to get
everything tight again. The black sedan is all done and it made a
world of
difference, but...just in time for two huge tree branches to smash the
top
in the middle. Sig!

3. Where is the hydraulic suspension filter located for the self
leveling
suspension in the rear?

Thanks

Original Message
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines
From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, December 21, 2013 12:38 pm
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 11:24 AM, r...@rhonald.me wrote:

Morning All, I am ready to replace the oil cooler hoses on the wagon. I
was price shopping, and came across these.

https://mercedessource.com/store/116-123-617-turbo-diesel-upper-oil-cooler-hose-instructions

Has anyone had experience with these? The German company?

Looking for recommendations.

Thanks

R
85 300TD Wagon 230,000 miles

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Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon castor Adjustors and other suspension stuff

2013-12-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel

The word I use is perfectify.

On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote:

If Martha wouldn't replace it then it doesn't need done.lol

Mike
On Dec 22, 2013 9:51 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

I would agree, as even my level of nit-pickyness wouldn't mandate
replacing adjusting bolts unless they were coming out for another job.

I see a lot of the work specified here as being near overkill. How leaky
are the rear struts? Is the rear suspension clunking? If the
self-leveling system is working properly and not bottoming out under load
or driving conditions, there is nothing that would indicate replacement
of
the major components. I would add that a number of people have
successfully rebuilt leaky rear struts as well.

I wonder about the amount of work going into a car of that age. You have
to take a step back and ask yourself if it's really necessary.

I'm thinking someone's mechanic is looking to buy a new boat

Dan

On Dec 22, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

Replacing the rear control arms for play? What? That sounds
ridiculous.
Why wouldn't you replace just loose bushings?

Replace camber adjusting bolts? Unless the car is so rusty they won't
come
out without damage there is no need to replace them. They don't wear
out.

I don't know your mechanic but it sounds like he saw you coming and is
taking advantage of your lack of expertise on the subject.

Anyone else catch that?

Mike
On Dec 21, 2013 6:56 PM, r...@rhonald.me wrote:

OK, I am getting new Bilstein shocks in front, Sachs-Boge self
leveling
shocks and Febi accumulators in the rear. The car is still perfectly
level
even when loaded.

1. While the car is up, the shop says the castor adjustors have wear
(small). Does it make sense to do this now? From what I have seen,
it
relates to the front end alignment. I am getting confused looking at
parts. Is this what I need x 2?

* 1163300018 *
http://www.autohausaz.com/secure/PartImages/1163300018.jpg
Genuine
Mercedes http://www.autohausaz.com/html/brandnames.html
Alignment Caster/Camber Kit; Front Lower Inner; Eccentric Bolt Kit
2 kits per car.

2. Deciding whether to have the ball joints done at the same time
though
there is no inspection reports of wear noted and the car does not
present
any tracking issues. Is it possible to check anything when it is not
on
the lift? Two boots and two boot kits, correct? Just wanting to get
everything tight again. The black sedan is all done and it made a
world of
difference, but...just in time for two huge tree branches to smash the
top
in the middle. Sig!

3. Where is the hydraulic suspension filter located for the self
leveling
suspension in the rear?

* 0021845501 *
http://www.autohausaz.com/secure/PartImages/0021845501.jpg
Genuine
Mercedes http://www.autohausaz.com/html/brandnames.html
Hydraulic Suspension Oil Filter
For models with self-leveling rear suspension.
4. I have to wait on the Rear Control Arms. Told they have some
play.
Not sure how to feel this when driving.

Thanks

Original Message
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines
From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, December 21, 2013 12:38 pm
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

also, that's just hte upper hose. the lower hose might just be
available
only in tructec or genuine mercedes, so you might have to get the
lower
one in genuine or just live with the tructec. seems i too have a
special
agreement with monark to sell you those hoses, but i'd probably get a
genuine one if i were you if the tructec actually turns out chinese

On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 11:24 AM, r...@rhonald.me wrote:

Morning All, I am ready to replace the oil cooler hoses on the
wagon. I
was price shopping, and came across these.

https://mercedessource.com/store/116-123-617-turbo-diesel-upper-oil-cooler-hose-instructions

Has anyone had experience with these? The German company?

Looking for recommendations.

Thanks

R
85 300TD Wagon 230,000 miles

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Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines

unless a man is a roman emperor or a french pedophile priest, i have no
clue why he would shave his beard


On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:57 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:

 On Dec 21, 2013, at 6:54 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

  Gary wrote:
  i like a lot of people.  i like you, rick, from what i've seen
 
  rick has beard
  you have beard
  perhaps you discriminate for guys with beard
  mao


 Mao has a beard.
 Jaime has a beard.
 Yup. I see a pattern.

 Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines

2013-12-22 Thread Rich Thomas

Obama has a beard

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Dec 22, 2013, at 1:54 AM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

Gary wrote:
 i like a lot of people.  i like you, rick, from what i've seen

rick has beard
you have beard
perhaps you discriminate for guys with beard
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Microsoft still updating Windows XP?

2013-12-22 Thread Richard Hattaway

 I did most of what you're talking about on an old Dell laptop I had, and after 
the 41 ( or so ) updates, the machine booted once and crashed.  That was the 
end of that.  I went back in 'history' to a functional point and made that my 
starting point, ignoring the updates that it had just installed.  It ran, and 
runs fine, to this day.  

I add this snipped of worthless data because if you set a new 'reference' point 
to return to before you install all that stuff ( after downloading it ) you can 
return to your present state of bliss after it crashes (c: ..



On Sunday, December 22, 2013 10:15 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
 
On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 19:36:02 -0700 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:58:55 -0800 Alex Chamberlain
 apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net
  wrote:
 
   99% of the CPU. I then used Task Manager to end the svchost.exe
   process and saw the CPU usage drop, eventhough svchost.exe was
   automatically restarted. I restarted Windows Update, which started
   IE. I saw svchost.exe again taking 99% of CPU and ended its process
   again.
  
  
  Sounds like you are running into this issue:
  
  http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/12/exponential-algorithm-making-windows-xp-miserable-could-be-fixed/
 
 Yes, that sounds like the problem.

From that article, I inferred that if I just left the Windows Update
running, it would eventually complete the O(2^n) process. After my Garmin
maps update completed, I restarted Windows Update and left it. This
morning I returned to my laptop to find that Windows Update had indeed
completed and said I had 41 updates. I told Windows Update to go ahead
and it is now in the process of downloading and installing.

With the new n being 41 greater than the old n, I can just imagine how
long it will take next time.



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Microsoft still updating Windows XP?

On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:58:55 -0800 Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sounds like you are running into this issue:
 
 http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/12/exponential-algorithm-making-windows-xp-miserable-could-be-fixed/

In reading the comments to that article and then maybe another article
and its comments, I ran into the comment

http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1176387-xp-windows-automatic-updates-svchostexe-100-cpu-ms-did-something/page-12#entry596161741

which mentions

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=41404

which is Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 8 for Windows
XP (KB2898785) that's supposed to solve the problem directly.

After waiting forever for Windows Update to determine what I needed and
then installing the 41 updates, I note that I do have KB2898785 installed.


Craig

P.S. When is Update Tuesday? Is it every Tuesday or a particular
 Tuesday of every month.

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Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines

2013-12-22 Thread OK Don

Me neither - bearded also.


On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 unless a man is a roman emperor or a french pedophile priest, i have no
 clue why he would shave his beard


 On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:57 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com
 wrote:

  On Dec 21, 2013, at 6:54 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   Gary wrote:
   i like a lot of people.  i like you, rick, from what i've seen
  
   rick has beard
   you have beard
   perhaps you discriminate for guys with beard
   mao
 
 
  Mao has a beard.
  Jaime has a beard.
  Yup. I see a pattern.
 
  Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Microsoft still updating Windows XP?

On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 12:38:20 -0800 (PST) Richard Hattaway
rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 I add this snipped of worthless data because if you set a new
 'reference' point to return to before you install all that stuff
 ( after downloading it ) you can return to your present state of bliss
 after it crashes (c: ..

I had not thought of that, but, fortunately, my laptop reboots in Windows
just fine.

It also boots just fine into CentOS 5.10 Linux, too!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Microsoft still updating Windows XP?

Patch Tuesday is the second Tuesday of every month and is when Microsoft 
releases security updates.

Dan

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 On Dec 22, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
 
 P.S. When is Update Tuesday? Is it every Tuesday or a particular
 Tuesday of every month.
 

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Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines

2013-12-22 Thread Dieselhead




Mao has a beard.
Jaime has a beard.
Yup. I see a pattern.


Then the fat sob should like me

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Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon castor Adjustors and other suspension stuff amydugy5

2013-12-22 Thread Fmiser

When you reply to another post but change the subject, it can
easily get lost.

 r...@rhonald.me wrote:
 
 3.  Where is the hydraulic suspension filter located for the self
 leveling suspension in the rear?

The filter is _in_ the tank.  As the fluid flows back into the
tank, it passes through the filter.  It is attached with a
hook/spring thing to the underside of the screw-off fitting on the
top of the tank.  Not the smaller hole with the dipstick in it, but
the one that the locking ring is hard to turn because the pipe is
in the way. *smiles*

--   Philip


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 97, Issue 104

2013-12-22 Thread MG


It's what we used to call a weisse maus. White mouse, police car.

Manfred

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Re: [MBZ] Kalebs 123

2013-12-22 Thread Hendrik and Fay


http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5850474-Mobile-de-FOTD-W126-Specialp=79247743#post79247743
No mention of option codes.

Hendrik
who erred in saying it is a 123

On 22/12/13 09:22, Dan Penoff wrote:

A full auto armrest?

Option code, please!

Dan




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Re: [MBZ] Civil Service, Oh Yeah! qa9uqavy

2013-12-22 Thread Dieselhead

Deming was all about process control -- the theory that if you 
calibrate manufacturing equipment and get a really good handle on 
what changes in the equipment produce what results, you can adjust 
on the fly to keep making high quality, proper sized, etc parts 
rather than making a billion parts and sorting out the good ones (on 
in the case of GM, pretending you found the good ones and using the 
bad ones anyway).


The system, in various guises, is called statistical process 
control, and in many places is a wonderful thing.  However, one 
variant at least, Six Sigma, has been applied in many, many wrong 
ways -- I've heard form some engineers that all statistical process 
control does is find bad parts.  If the process does not have a 
calibrated knob the operator can turn to change the final part a 
known amount, statistical process control does nothing for you 
except generate non-sense data.  
I've seen people attempt to use Six Sigma for personnel issues, for 
instance, which is simply insane and demonstrates conclusively that 
the whole idea simply went over the heads of the people involved.


American business schools don't teach much beyond how to steal money 
and cut costs on a VERY short-term basis, using a vast array of  
'business case histories that are fake.  Hence the idea that you 
shouldn't know anything about what you are managing because you are 
managing people and people are all the same.


All compressed flatulence being mascaraded as knowledge, but someone 
is making a pile of money, so it must be true, eh?


Peter


6 sigma is part of the CQE body of knowledge dressed up and 
repackaged to make some schmuck rich.  I forgot his name.


Deming was spot on, but did not invent SPC.  He did teach it to the 
Japanese, and changed made in Japan from meaning cheap junk to As 
good as German but cheaper to better than German as the Japanese 
further developed the system.


Walter Shewhart developed SPC at Bell Labs, and that is where and 
from whom Deming learned it.  One of the best quotes of Deming is 
some things are unknown and unknowable.  For managing people, 
Deming's System of Profound Knowledge is where to look.  However, it 
is not easy to understand or to apply.  You have to be a serious 
student of Deming to even begin to understand what he is getting at. 
Demings 14 points are easier to understand and implement.


But the prior post about the 'merkuns didn't want to know.. or 
something to that effect is not true.  FDR installed Deming to make 
the 'merkun war production hum.  Deming made it do, to borrow a 
phrase from Captain Pickard. When the war ended, Truman canned 
Deming, 'mercun industry tossed out all the women trained in SPC, and 
forgot all they knew.Deming was asked to speak in Japan, and the 
Japanese too the message to heart, and then transformed the whole 
country.


The short explanation of the difference between mercun system of 
manufacturing tolerance and the Shewhart/Deming/SPC system is this. 
In Manufacturing tolerance, a part is acceptable if a dimension is 
above Y (lower limit) and below Z (upper limit) where SPC focuses on 
building a system where the peak of (a bell curve) distribution is at 
the exact measurement desired, and the tails of the curve are within 
tolerance, then work on the system so the tails get closer and closer 
to the peak (or ideal measurement).


This is highly simplified for illustration, and assumes a one 
(critical) dimensional part.  In fact parts or products have many 
dimensions, and in most cases, many parts.  The great difference in 
performance of the same exact transmission made by ford (tolerance) 
or made by mazda (SPC) is a great illustration.  Ford transmissions 
crapped out early (most from in warranty to maybe 80k miles) while 
the mazda mostly went over 150k miles.


SPC can be applied to any system that can be measured and controlled. 
There is even a form of SPC for one off products, such as custom 
built houses.  SPC is only only one of the tools of quality.  the 
Quality Engineering profession has many tools.  For more info go to 
asq.org, visit your local section of ASQ and look at 
http://asq.org/quality-press/


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Re: [MBZ] Stevia

2013-12-22 Thread John Reames

I was reading that maple syrup (the boiled stuff, not the stuff made using 
reverse osmosis membranes) contains all sorts of good chemicals that do good 
things to/for the body and warrant further study...

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On Dec 20, 2013, at 22:50, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 i guess if forced to use sweeterns, i'd go with honey and then maple syrup
 
 
 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.comwrote:
 
 Curt wrote:
 Never the less I despise chemical sweeteners and will stick with our
 three which I consider much more honest and low tech.
 
 +1
 Totally agree!!
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] Stevia

2013-12-22 Thread Dwight Giles

I didn't know there was any other kind than boiled. My grandfather had a
sugar bush 100 years ago. As  a kid I remember the evaporators. He would
also make maple  sugar for their own use.
On Dec 22, 2013 6:19 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote:

 I was reading that maple syrup (the boiled stuff, not the stuff made using
 reverse osmosis membranes) contains all sorts of good chemicals that do
 good things to/for the body and warrant further study...

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 On Dec 20, 2013, at 22:50, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  i guess if forced to use sweeterns, i'd go with honey and then maple
 syrup
 
 
  On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Curt wrote:
  Never the less I despise chemical sweeteners and will stick with our
  three which I consider much more honest and low tech.
 
  +1
  Totally agree!!
  mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon castor adjustors and other suspension stuff - amydugy5

2013-12-22 Thread Scott Ritchey

I'd like to re-engage on this.  You mention replacing a lot of stuff on this
old car.  Are you doing this yourself or paying someone?  The reason I ask
is you may be spending $$$ to fix what ain't broke.  If you want to build a
show car, that's one thing.  But if you want a useful transportation
workhorse you need to identify the (probably few) real problems vs changing
parts at semi random.  

 

Front shocks are conventional and can be changed at any time; you don't need
to disassemble the front suspension to replace front shocks.  

 

The rear shocks are hydraulic cylinders and never need to be replaced unless
they leak or show obvious damage.  Those two rear spherical accumulators do
wear out (they lose the gas charge) but that will be obvious as a real hard
ride, effectively a hydraulically-locked rear suspension.  If the ride isn't
hard, the accumulators are probably OK.  There are rubber bushings in the
rear trailing arms which get hard and there is one large rubber piece on
each rear side (which gets deformed) that effects ride and ride height and
may need replacement but doesn't require disassembling the rear suspension
(I forget what it is called).  But seriously, if the back end isn't leaking,
stays level, and doesn't ride hard, it's probably OK.

 

Front shocks are conventional and can be changed at any time; you don't need
to disassemble the front suspension to replace front shocks.  At the front
end, the upper ball joint assembly seldom wears out if the boot is intact.
It carries very little load.  Also, depending on corrosion, there is danger
of breaking the end off the torsion bar (required to replace upper ball
joint/bushings) so don't mess with that just for fun.  The lower ball joint
bears the weight of the car so if it shows movement or the boot is torn
replacement will eventually become a safety issue.  The ball joints are
cheap; get good ones.  The labor to replace them isn't so cheep and some
special tools ate needed.  Frankly, if the lower ball joint boots are OK the
ball joint is probably OK too.  Also at the front end are guide rods (aka
brake rods) that brace the outer end of the lower control arm against the
chassis.  These can get dry and wear out.  

 

I guess the main thing is to assess the condition of all the parts before
you start replacing things.  With new suspension rubber it may ride like a
new car but it isn't a new car.  So don't waste a lot of cash on a fool's
errand.

 

There are other important things like brakes, engine mounts, and flex disks
that you need to look at.

 

Scott

 

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r...@rhonald.me
Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 6:56 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon castor Adjustors and other
suspensionstuff

 

OK, I am getting new Bilstein shocks in front, Sachs-Boge self leveling
shocks and Febi accumulators in the rear.  The car is still perfectly level
even when loaded.

 

1.  While the car is up, the shop says the castor adjustors have wear
(small).  Does it make sense to do this now?  From what I have seen, it
relates to the front end alignment. I am getting confused looking at parts.
Is this what I need x 2?

 



1163300018 


Genuine Mercedes http://www.autohausaz.com/html/brandnames.html  
Alignment Caster/Camber Kit; Front Lower Inner; Eccentric Bolt Kit 
2 kits per car. 


 

2.  Deciding whether to have the ball joints done at the same time though
there is no inspection reports of wear noted and the car does not present
any tracking issues.  Is it possible to check anything when it is not on the
lift?  Two boots and two boot kits, correct?  Just wanting to get everything
tight again.  The black sedan is all done and it made a world of difference,
but...just in time for two huge tree branches to smash the top in the
middle.  Sig!  

 

3.  Where is the hydraulic suspension filter located for the self leveling
suspension in the rear? 

 



0021845501 


Genuine Mercedes http://www.autohausaz.com/html/brandnames.html  
Hydraulic Suspension Oil Filter 
For models with self-leveling rear suspension. 


4.  I have to wait on the Rear Control Arms.  Told they have some play.  Not
sure how to feel this when driving.

 

 

Thanks

 

R

  

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Re: [MBZ] Stevia

how do i know which one i have?  i've just always bought organic vermont
syrup, but i don't know of any mention of process


On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 6:19 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote:

 I was reading that maple syrup (the boiled stuff, not the stuff made using
 reverse osmosis membranes) contains all sorts of good chemicals that do
 good things to/for the body and warrant further study...

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 On Dec 20, 2013, at 22:50, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  i guess if forced to use sweeterns, i'd go with honey and then maple
 syrup
 
 
  On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Curt wrote:
  Never the less I despise chemical sweeteners and will stick with our
  three which I consider much more honest and low tech.
 
  +1
  Totally agree!!
  mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] Stevia

2013-12-22 Thread John Reames

I think they also do freeze concentration (like ice brewed alcoholic 
beverages?) as well, but only the boiled stuff has the antioxidants and the 
stuff that's good for blood sugar...

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On Dec 22, 2013, at 18:52, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I didn't know there was any other kind than boiled. My grandfather had a
 sugar bush 100 years ago. As  a kid I remember the evaporators. He would
 also make maple  sugar for their own use.
 On Dec 22, 2013 6:19 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 I was reading that maple syrup (the boiled stuff, not the stuff made using
 reverse osmosis membranes) contains all sorts of good chemicals that do
 good things to/for the body and warrant further study...
 
 --
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 jream...@verizon.net
 Home: +14106646986
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 On Dec 20, 2013, at 22:50, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 i guess if forced to use sweeterns, i'd go with honey and then maple
 syrup
 
 
 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Curt wrote:
 Never the less I despise chemical sweeteners and will stick with our
 three which I consider much more honest and low tech.
 
 +1
 Totally agree!!
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] Stevia

2013-12-22 Thread Greg Fiorentino

Last trip to Canada I bought some maple sugar.  Good stuff!

Greg

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To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stevia

I didn't know there was any other kind than boiled. My grandfather had a
sugar bush 100 years ago. As  a kid I remember the evaporators. He would
also make maple  sugar for their own use.
On Dec 22, 2013 6:19 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote:

 I was reading that maple syrup (the boiled stuff, not the stuff made 
 using reverse osmosis membranes) contains all sorts of good chemicals 
 that do good things to/for the body and warrant further study...

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 On Dec 20, 2013, at 22:50, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  i guess if forced to use sweeterns, i'd go with honey and then maple
 syrup
 
 
  On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Mountain Man 
 maontin@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Curt wrote:
  Never the less I despise chemical sweeteners and will stick with 
  our
  three which I consider much more honest and low tech.
 
  +1
  Totally agree!!
  mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] Civil Service, Oh Yeah! qa9uqavy

2013-12-22 Thread Mountain Man

Dieselhead wrote:
 But the prior post about the 'merkuns didn't want to know.. or something
 to that effect is not true.  FDR installed Deming to make the 'merkun war
 production hum.

Loss of Deming/SPC methods seems evident in the education arena.  Correct?
It seems that everything has turned touchy feely instead of discreet
quantitative.  Everything.
It can all be summarized as religion.  We live under totalitarian
religious-industrial-complex.
Don't say God.
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Re: [MBZ] Stevia

2013-12-22 Thread Mountain Man

John wrote:
 ...the boiled stuff has the antioxidants and the stuff that's good for blood 
 sugar...


Tell us more.  Blood sugar seems an odd benefit from maple syrup.
Thanks.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Civil Service, Oh Yeah! qa9uqavy

It's by no means touchy-feely any more.  It's all data driven.  I see 
kindergarten teachers with 3 binders full of data they have collected on 
individual students.  It's all about the data now.

Dan


On Dec 22, 2013, at 8:43 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

 Dieselhead wrote:
 But the prior post about the 'merkuns didn't want to know.. or something
 to that effect is not true.  FDR installed Deming to make the 'merkun war
 production hum.
 
 Loss of Deming/SPC methods seems evident in the education arena.  Correct?
 It seems that everything has turned touchy feely instead of discreet
 quantitative.  Everything.
 It can all be summarized as religion.  We live under totalitarian
 religious-industrial-complex.
 Don't say God.
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] Civil Service, Oh Yeah! qa9uqavy

I would also add that Contructivism is the flavor of the month for now.  This 
is the experiential style of learning promoted by Montessori, Piaget and Dewey.

Just like the stock market, the pendulum will swing in the other direction in 
the future and Behaviorism (B.F. Skinner, Itard, etc.) will come back into 
vogue, no doubt.

Dan
  
On Dec 22, 2013, at 8:46 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

 It's by no means touchy-feely any more.  It's all data driven.  I see 
 kindergarten teachers with 3 binders full of data they have collected on 
 individual students.  It's all about the data now.
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Dec 22, 2013, at 8:43 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
 
 Dieselhead wrote:
 But the prior post about the 'merkuns didn't want to know.. or something
 to that effect is not true.  FDR installed Deming to make the 'merkun war
 production hum.
 
 Loss of Deming/SPC methods seems evident in the education arena.  Correct?
 It seems that everything has turned touchy feely instead of discreet
 quantitative.  Everything.
 It can all be summarized as religion.  We live under totalitarian
 religious-industrial-complex.
 Don't say God.
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] Stevia

the whole blood sugar benefit story is insane but i'll let reames try to
explain it in a way that makes sense as my version would make it sound
stupid

if you consume maple syrup, you will spike your blood sugar to hell.  not
much getting around that


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 John wrote:
  ...the boiled stuff has the antioxidants and the stuff that's good for
 blood sugar...
 

 Tell us more.  Blood sugar seems an odd benefit from maple syrup.
 Thanks.
 mao

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Re: [MBZ] Civil Service, Oh Yeah! qa9uqavy

my kid's english teacher can barely read.  abby has to explain what words
mean to her as she has a very limited vocabulary.  this teacher is bad
tempered and loses student's tests, then gives them a zero as a grade when
she can't find a test.  the school administration bends over backwards to
protect her against any criticism.

i think the problems are A LOT bigger that whether she is a contructivist
or a behaviorist.  in fact, i think talk of which a teacher is really
distracts from much of what the problem really is.  cliches just cover for
a lack of core competence in many public school teachers


On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 I would also add that Contructivism is the flavor of the month for now.
  This is the experiential style of learning promoted by Montessori, Piaget
 and Dewey.

 Just like the stock market, the pendulum will swing in the other direction
 in the future and Behaviorism (B.F. Skinner, Itard, etc.) will come back
 into vogue, no doubt.

 Dan

 On Dec 22, 2013, at 8:46 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

  It's by no means touchy-feely any more.  It's all data driven.  I see
 kindergarten teachers with 3 binders full of data they have collected on
 individual students.  It's all about the data now.
 
  Dan
 
 
  On Dec 22, 2013, at 8:43 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
 
  Dieselhead wrote:
  But the prior post about the 'merkuns didn't want to know.. or
 something
  to that effect is not true.  FDR installed Deming to make the 'merkun
 war
  production hum.
 
  Loss of Deming/SPC methods seems evident in the education arena.
  Correct?
  It seems that everything has turned touchy feely instead of discreet
  quantitative.  Everything.
  It can all be summarized as religion.  We live under totalitarian
  religious-industrial-complex.
  Don't say God.
  mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] Civil Service, Oh Yeah! qa9uqavy

2013-12-22 Thread Richard Hattaway

cliches just cover for a lack of core competence in many public school 
teachers

Cliches and tenure, actually...
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Re: [MBZ] Civil Service, Oh Yeah! qa9uqavy

There is nothing cliche about the theories behind teaching methodologies. I 
would agree with what you say, but the problem starts at the top - the 
administration.

As for Richard's comment about tenure, it no longer exists in our district.  
Effective this coming January our teachers go on an evaluation system that 
determines whether or not they get raises. Existing teachers who have tenure 
can keep if it they choose to, but if they do their salaries are effectively 
capped.  From what I hear the better part of the faculty has decided to give up 
tenure.

Dan

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 On Dec 22, 2013, at 9:41 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 my kid's english teacher can barely read.  abby has to explain what words
 mean to her as she has a very limited vocabulary.  this teacher is bad
 tempered and loses student's tests, then gives them a zero as a grade when
 she can't find a test.  the school administration bends over backwards to
 protect her against any criticism.
 
 i think the problems are A LOT bigger that whether she is a contructivist
 or a behaviorist.  in fact, i think talk of which a teacher is really
 distracts from much of what the problem really is.  cliches just cover for
 a lack of core competence in many public school teachers
 
 
 On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
 I would also add that Contructivism is the flavor of the month for now.
 This is the experiential style of learning promoted by Montessori, Piaget
 and Dewey.
 
 Just like the stock market, the pendulum will swing in the other direction
 in the future and Behaviorism (B.F. Skinner, Itard, etc.) will come back
 into vogue, no doubt.
 
 Dan
 
 On Dec 22, 2013, at 8:46 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
 
 It's by no means touchy-feely any more.  It's all data driven.  I see
 kindergarten teachers with 3 binders full of data they have collected on
 individual students.  It's all about the data now.
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Dec 22, 2013, at 8:43 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
 
 Dieselhead wrote:
 But the prior post about the 'merkuns didn't want to know.. or
 something
 to that effect is not true.  FDR installed Deming to make the 'merkun
 war
 production hum.
 
 Loss of Deming/SPC methods seems evident in the education arena.
 Correct?
 It seems that everything has turned touchy feely instead of discreet
 quantitative.  Everything.
 It can all be summarized as religion.  We live under totalitarian
 religious-industrial-complex.
 Don't say God.
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon castor Adjustors and other suspension stuff amydugy5

2013-12-22 Thread Fmiser

When you reply to another post but change the subject, it can
easily get lost.

 r...@rhonald.me wrote:
 
 3.  Where is the hydraulic suspension filter located for the self
 leveling suspension in the rear?

The filter is _in_ the tank.  As the fluid flows back into the
tank, it passes through the filter.  It is attached with a
hook/spring thing to the underside of the screw-off fitting on the
top of the tank.  Not the smaller hole with the dipstick in it, but
the one that the locking ring is hard to turn because the pipe is
in the way. *smiles*

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Re: [MBZ] Civil Service, Oh Yeah! qa9uqavy

what is the methodology of losing student's tests and then giving them
zeros for those tests and then being supported by the administration?  the
words are just bullshit that are spouted to confuse people and maintain
this status quo

i've never seen any methodology at the public school, just rhetoric meant
to cover for incompetence and indifference.  just another big government
welfare program that needs to go away, like the warfare state


On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 There is nothing cliche about the theories behind teaching methodologies.
 I would agree with what you say, but the problem starts at the top - the
 administration.

 As for Richard's comment about tenure, it no longer exists in our
 district.  Effective this coming January our teachers go on an evaluation
 system that determines whether or not they get raises. Existing teachers
 who have tenure can keep if it they choose to, but if they do their
 salaries are effectively capped.  From what I hear the better part of the
 faculty has decided to give up tenure.

 Dan

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  On Dec 22, 2013, at 9:41 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  my kid's english teacher can barely read.  abby has to explain what words
  mean to her as she has a very limited vocabulary.  this teacher is bad
  tempered and loses student's tests, then gives them a zero as a grade
 when
  she can't find a test.  the school administration bends over backwards to
  protect her against any criticism.
 
  i think the problems are A LOT bigger that whether she is a contructivist
  or a behaviorist.  in fact, i think talk of which a teacher is really
  distracts from much of what the problem really is.  cliches just cover
 for
  a lack of core competence in many public school teachers
 
 
  On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
  I would also add that Contructivism is the flavor of the month for now.
  This is the experiential style of learning promoted by Montessori,
 Piaget
  and Dewey.
 
  Just like the stock market, the pendulum will swing in the other
 direction
  in the future and Behaviorism (B.F. Skinner, Itard, etc.) will come back
  into vogue, no doubt.
 
  Dan
 
  On Dec 22, 2013, at 8:46 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
 
  It's by no means touchy-feely any more.  It's all data driven.  I see
  kindergarten teachers with 3 binders full of data they have collected
 on
  individual students.  It's all about the data now.
 
  Dan
 
 
  On Dec 22, 2013, at 8:43 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
 
  Dieselhead wrote:
  But the prior post about the 'merkuns didn't want to know.. or
  something
  to that effect is not true.  FDR installed Deming to make the 'merkun
  war
  production hum.
 
  Loss of Deming/SPC methods seems evident in the education arena.
  Correct?
  It seems that everything has turned touchy feely instead of discreet
  quantitative.  Everything.
  It can all be summarized as religion.  We live under totalitarian
  religious-industrial-complex.
  Don't say God.
  mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] Civil Service, Oh Yeah! qa9uqavy

2013-12-22 Thread Dieselhead


From what I hear the better part of the faculty has decided to give up tenure.

Dan


I htink that has an untended double meaning.

I think Dan meant that most of the the faculty decided to give up 
tenure for raises.


The other meaning is exactly as written.  The better part of the 
faculty, as opposed to the bottom or lesser part (laggards), has 
decided to give up tenure


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