Re: [MBZ] Adobe MS (OT)
For most mass storage devices, just plug it in via USB. iPhoto should just figure it out. On Mar 22, 2014, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I'm not, so bring it on. Is there a cable connection or wireless? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding onto no revolutions
huuh how does this work, there can be no torque at zero revolutions. There is no _power_ at zero revolutions. Torque is like voltage: useless by itself. Torque has to move in order to generate power, just like voltage (electrons at pressure) have to move (current) to generate power. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
Most electricity is still generated from coal. In my State, it's something like 90% hydroelectric. I believe Tesla's web site covers this, State-by-State. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 96 E300 Diesel
Three of them broke off at less than 40Nm. One came out like butter... So, would there be any advantage to doing it while the engine was _running_? There's be lots of fresh heat and vibration to help bust 'em loose. All you'd want to do was loosen them, you'd stop the engine to pull them out. Just a thought. Don't drop a wrench into the open manifold! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] central locking system - '87 300SDL
fuse that controls the central locking system, blew again, [2x] That fuse sucks. _Everything_ that's got power 24x7 is on there. Start by looking at things like courtesy lights, radio antenna, etc. I gutted an SL once chasing this sort of thing. http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/JSL2log.html#13Aug2008 -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cool 96 E300 Diesel is hot
The way I am reading this you used some sort of penetrator fluid? Would this not cool off the plugs, thus defeating the purpose of the exercise in warming the plugs up to operating temp? I believe the idea was to have the aluminum head hot so that it expanded around the steel plug. I'm not sure how that works, however. Doesn't a hole in an aluminum casting get smaller when you heat the casting? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding onto no revolutions
On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 14:13:04 +1030 Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: OK so torque is the thing that causes smoke to come out of the drill once it's jammed? Torque smoke? Yes and no. Torque occurs with whatever speed your thing is rotating. Remember, internal combustion engines typically have maximum torque and maximum horsepower at different speeds. IIRC, the maximum torque RPM is lower than the maximum horsepower RPM. Steam and electric motors have maximum torque and maximum horsepower at different speeds as well, with one of the speeds being zero RPM. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
Slimeless okra? No problem. Find a well respected Southern cook or go to a real Southern restaurant. You'll be asking for more. Barkless dog? How about a basenji? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basenji On 3/22/2014 9:29 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Cherry without a stone? Easy. They are the most desirable of cherries but you can have only one at a time. [:o) Gerry Slimeless okra? That's like a barkless dog, a cherry w/o a stone,.. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:13 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Our okra is not very slippery - start it in a frying pan with a bit of EVOO and the lid on. After is starts to get soft, take the lid off and let it dry out some. Nicely cooked okra, no slime. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: I have been eating okra lately. Not quite oil, but... okra is quite like oil. It occurred to me that okra might substitute for decent personal lubricant? since it is sooo slippery. Okra lube does not work for heat situations, but it certainly is slippery and green for most other needs of slippery, I suggest. Yes, things come out the other end slippery also. mao -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
Okra…didn’t they grind that stuff up in WWI and use it to lube airplane engines? On Mar 23, 2014, at 8:27 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Slimeless okra? No problem. Find a well respected Southern cook or go to a real Southern restaurant. You'll be asking for more. Barkless dog? How about a basenji? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basenji On 3/22/2014 9:29 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Cherry without a stone? Easy. They are the most desirable of cherries but you can have only one at a time. [:o) Gerry Slimeless okra? That's like a barkless dog, a cherry w/o a stone,.. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:13 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Our okra is not very slippery - start it in a frying pan with a bit of EVOO and the lid on. After is starts to get soft, take the lid off and let it dry out some. Nicely cooked okra, no slime. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: I have been eating okra lately. Not quite oil, but... okra is quite like oil. It occurred to me that okra might substitute for decent personal lubricant? since it is sooo slippery. Okra lube does not work for heat situations, but it certainly is slippery and green for most other needs of slippery, I suggest. Yes, things come out the other end slippery also. mao -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
yes, well, that would solve it. but this whole list is personal attacks and then the stupid mob piling on, so kaleb won't do it as he fears the attackers won't like him anymore On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:08 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: This is a common problem on many other lists. The most successful solution I've seen is to have only one rule: NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. If a member persists with personal attacks he/she will be suspended for 30 days. In order for the list owner to avoid hostility from the people he bans, the list owner privately selects up to fifteen members as moderators whose only function will be to secretly vote on 30 day suspensions. The votes will be sent to someone on the list whom everyone trusts; usually the list owner ; and the list owner will then take the member off the list if a majority of moderators have agreed. Any time after 30 days the member can rejoin. Members can attack other members position on whatever is being discussed, but not other members personally. In the 8 years I've been on one list, only two members out of 150 were given 30 day suspensions and both returned as valuable list members. The fact that the rule is there and will be enforced has a very calming effect on members who tend to be too outspoken. Some hosting services have a way to conduct a survey of X number of moderators so that no moderators votes will be revealed. I don't know if Kalebs has one or not. Gerry On 3/22/2014 1:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Kaleb, it's time to start banning people for this. This is ridiculous. There are a few good people left on this list still, but posts like this seriously undermine what little community is left. The future of the list is at risk... It's already barely technical enough to be even slightly useful. How many people have unsubscribe in the last few days? Jaime On Friday, March 21, 2014, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Forgot to mention, I am glad and proud to be one of the few on this list with the guts to stand up to the condescending hypocritical crap that fats spews. Good description Hendrik! Actually, there are a lot more than 4 of us, just that only 4 of us are not afraid of the schoolyard bully. A spade is a spade. I am STILL WAITING for my refund of all the dollars I spent buying parts from fats, since he claims I never bought any parts from him. It amounts to several thousand dollars. He who expects to sell teile should not bite the hand of his (former) customer. It tends to drive away current and future customers. If anyone is in need of parts, I will be glad to point you to vendors who do not bite the customer. (no interest, no commissions, etc. just willing to help people find good sources for good parts.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] central locking system - '87 300SDL
Check for a shorted wire in the trunk for the light -- the wire runs along the hinge and tends to rub through and short. Be prepared for some wiring repair! This happened on my brother's SDL a few years ago. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
Boring? Boring?? There's nothing boring about 40 to 50 mpg in a car with an outstanding repair record. And if you're a DIYer, working on an older Prius would be far less boring than working on these diesels that we were tired of working on long ago. Of course, you young peoples attitude is understandable since you haven't been driving and fixing diesels for 46 years like some of us have. Gerry On 3/22/2014 10:59 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: And have one of the most boring cars on the road. Thats not living, its just not knowing you're dead yet... This is the only good way to deal with a Prius: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7DFzl6ZU5k Roadkill is awesome, if you aren't watching it you should be. Dirt Every Day too. -Curt Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 08:13:42 -0400 From: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on Message-ID: 532d7e76.80...@embarqmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed There was a (2006?) Prius in the Tampa paper for $8000. It was tempting. Put a new big battery in it and you'd have pretty good transportation for around $10,000 providing there weren't serious problems elsewhere. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
but we wear the snowy river On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Gary wrote: my mom is 82 my mom is 89 ...she is odds on to outlive me based on present conditions same here. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
Quitnyerfuckinwhinin. A German word some folks need to learn. Mike On Mar 23, 2014 8:46 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: yes, well, that would solve it. but this whole list is personal attacks and then the stupid mob piling on, so kaleb won't do it as he fears the attackers won't like him anymore On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:08 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: This is a common problem on many other lists. The most successful solution I've seen is to have only one rule: NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. If a member persists with personal attacks he/she will be suspended for 30 days. In order for the list owner to avoid hostility from the people he bans, the list owner privately selects up to fifteen members as moderators whose only function will be to secretly vote on 30 day suspensions. The votes will be sent to someone on the list whom everyone trusts; usually the list owner ; and the list owner will then take the member off the list if a majority of moderators have agreed. Any time after 30 days the member can rejoin. Members can attack other members position on whatever is being discussed, but not other members personally. In the 8 years I've been on one list, only two members out of 150 were given 30 day suspensions and both returned as valuable list members. The fact that the rule is there and will be enforced has a very calming effect on members who tend to be too outspoken. Some hosting services have a way to conduct a survey of X number of moderators so that no moderators votes will be revealed. I don't know if Kalebs has one or not. Gerry On 3/22/2014 1:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Kaleb, it's time to start banning people for this. This is ridiculous. There are a few good people left on this list still, but posts like this seriously undermine what little community is left. The future of the list is at risk... It's already barely technical enough to be even slightly useful. How many people have unsubscribe in the last few days? Jaime On Friday, March 21, 2014, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Forgot to mention, I am glad and proud to be one of the few on this list with the guts to stand up to the condescending hypocritical crap that fats spews. Good description Hendrik! Actually, there are a lot more than 4 of us, just that only 4 of us are not afraid of the schoolyard bully. A spade is a spade. I am STILL WAITING for my refund of all the dollars I spent buying parts from fats, since he claims I never bought any parts from him. It amounts to several thousand dollars. He who expects to sell teile should not bite the hand of his (former) customer. It tends to drive away current and future customers. If anyone is in need of parts, I will be glad to point you to vendors who do not bite the customer. (no interest, no commissions, etc. just willing to help people find good sources for good parts.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
geez, another personal attack. what a surprise! On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: Quitnyerfuckinwhinin. A German word some folks need to learn. Mike On Mar 23, 2014 8:46 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: yes, well, that would solve it. but this whole list is personal attacks and then the stupid mob piling on, so kaleb won't do it as he fears the attackers won't like him anymore On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:08 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: This is a common problem on many other lists. The most successful solution I've seen is to have only one rule: NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. If a member persists with personal attacks he/she will be suspended for 30 days. In order for the list owner to avoid hostility from the people he bans, the list owner privately selects up to fifteen members as moderators whose only function will be to secretly vote on 30 day suspensions. The votes will be sent to someone on the list whom everyone trusts; usually the list owner ; and the list owner will then take the member off the list if a majority of moderators have agreed. Any time after 30 days the member can rejoin. Members can attack other members position on whatever is being discussed, but not other members personally. In the 8 years I've been on one list, only two members out of 150 were given 30 day suspensions and both returned as valuable list members. The fact that the rule is there and will be enforced has a very calming effect on members who tend to be too outspoken. Some hosting services have a way to conduct a survey of X number of moderators so that no moderators votes will be revealed. I don't know if Kalebs has one or not. Gerry On 3/22/2014 1:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Kaleb, it's time to start banning people for this. This is ridiculous. There are a few good people left on this list still, but posts like this seriously undermine what little community is left. The future of the list is at risk... It's already barely technical enough to be even slightly useful. How many people have unsubscribe in the last few days? Jaime On Friday, March 21, 2014, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Forgot to mention, I am glad and proud to be one of the few on this list with the guts to stand up to the condescending hypocritical crap that fats spews. Good description Hendrik! Actually, there are a lot more than 4 of us, just that only 4 of us are not afraid of the schoolyard bully. A spade is a spade. I am STILL WAITING for my refund of all the dollars I spent buying parts from fats, since he claims I never bought any parts from him. It amounts to several thousand dollars. He who expects to sell teile should not bite the hand of his (former) customer. It tends to drive away current and future customers. If anyone is in need of parts, I will be glad to point you to vendors who do not bite the customer. (no interest, no commissions, etc. just willing to help people find good sources for good parts.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
Geez Gary. I guess I need banned then. Here's a personal attack...Hey Gary, you need to quityerfuckinwhinin. Ban away. I prefer to listen to teenage girls on Facebook. Mike On Mar 23, 2014 9:31 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: geez, another personal attack. what a surprise! On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Quitnyerfuckinwhinin. A German word some folks need to learn. Mike On Mar 23, 2014 8:46 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: yes, well, that would solve it. but this whole list is personal attacks and then the stupid mob piling on, so kaleb won't do it as he fears the attackers won't like him anymore On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:08 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: This is a common problem on many other lists. The most successful solution I've seen is to have only one rule: NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. If a member persists with personal attacks he/she will be suspended for 30 days. In order for the list owner to avoid hostility from the people he bans, the list owner privately selects up to fifteen members as moderators whose only function will be to secretly vote on 30 day suspensions. The votes will be sent to someone on the list whom everyone trusts; usually the list owner ; and the list owner will then take the member off the list if a majority of moderators have agreed. Any time after 30 days the member can rejoin. Members can attack other members position on whatever is being discussed, but not other members personally. In the 8 years I've been on one list, only two members out of 150 were given 30 day suspensions and both returned as valuable list members. The fact that the rule is there and will be enforced has a very calming effect on members who tend to be too outspoken. Some hosting services have a way to conduct a survey of X number of moderators so that no moderators votes will be revealed. I don't know if Kalebs has one or not. Gerry On 3/22/2014 1:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Kaleb, it's time to start banning people for this. This is ridiculous. There are a few good people left on this list still, but posts like this seriously undermine what little community is left. The future of the list is at risk... It's already barely technical enough to be even slightly useful. How many people have unsubscribe in the last few days? Jaime On Friday, March 21, 2014, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Forgot to mention, I am glad and proud to be one of the few on this list with the guts to stand up to the condescending hypocritical crap that fats spews. Good description Hendrik! Actually, there are a lot more than 4 of us, just that only 4 of us are not afraid of the schoolyard bully. A spade is a spade. I am STILL WAITING for my refund of all the dollars I spent buying parts from fats, since he claims I never bought any parts from him. It amounts to several thousand dollars. He who expects to sell teile should not bite the hand of his (former) customer. It tends to drive away current and future customers. If anyone is in need of parts, I will be glad to point you to vendors who do not bite the customer. (no interest, no commissions, etc. just willing to help people find good sources for good parts.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
there is a vocal minority on this list who live to be bullies. the only solution is the one gerry suggests, that of zero tolerance towards personal attacks. but the moderator is asleep at the wheel and the majority has no will to to insist the solution be implemented. so what is left to do? On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: Geez Gary. I guess I need banned then. Here's a personal attack...Hey Gary, you need to quityerfuckinwhinin. Ban away. I prefer to listen to teenage girls on Facebook. Mike On Mar 23, 2014 9:31 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: geez, another personal attack. what a surprise! On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Quitnyerfuckinwhinin. A German word some folks need to learn. Mike On Mar 23, 2014 8:46 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: yes, well, that would solve it. but this whole list is personal attacks and then the stupid mob piling on, so kaleb won't do it as he fears the attackers won't like him anymore On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:08 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: This is a common problem on many other lists. The most successful solution I've seen is to have only one rule: NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. If a member persists with personal attacks he/she will be suspended for 30 days. In order for the list owner to avoid hostility from the people he bans, the list owner privately selects up to fifteen members as moderators whose only function will be to secretly vote on 30 day suspensions. The votes will be sent to someone on the list whom everyone trusts; usually the list owner ; and the list owner will then take the member off the list if a majority of moderators have agreed. Any time after 30 days the member can rejoin. Members can attack other members position on whatever is being discussed, but not other members personally. In the 8 years I've been on one list, only two members out of 150 were given 30 day suspensions and both returned as valuable list members. The fact that the rule is there and will be enforced has a very calming effect on members who tend to be too outspoken. Some hosting services have a way to conduct a survey of X number of moderators so that no moderators votes will be revealed. I don't know if Kalebs has one or not. Gerry On 3/22/2014 1:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Kaleb, it's time to start banning people for this. This is ridiculous. There are a few good people left on this list still, but posts like this seriously undermine what little community is left. The future of the list is at risk... It's already barely technical enough to be even slightly useful. How many people have unsubscribe in the last few days? Jaime On Friday, March 21, 2014, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Forgot to mention, I am glad and proud to be one of the few on this list with the guts to stand up to the condescending hypocritical crap that fats spews. Good description Hendrik! Actually, there are a lot more than 4 of us, just that only 4 of us are not afraid of the schoolyard bully. A spade is a spade. I am STILL WAITING for my refund of all the dollars I spent buying parts from fats, since he claims I never bought any parts from him. It amounts to several thousand dollars. He who expects to sell teile should not bite the hand of his (former) customer. It tends to drive away current and future customers. If anyone is in need of parts, I will be glad to point you to vendors who do not bite the customer. (no interest, no commissions, etc. just willing to help people find good sources for good parts.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
Okradidn't they grind that stuff up in WWI and use it to lube airplane engines? Naaa that was castor beans ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
It's just like I tell my kids. It works for them, it will work for you. Quit whining and giving the bullies what they want. Simple. You don't respond because, well, you should always try to be a bigger man than your attacker. Mike On Mar 23, 2014 9:44 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: there is a vocal minority on this list who live to be bullies. the only solution is the one gerry suggests, that of zero tolerance towards personal attacks. but the moderator is asleep at the wheel and the majority has no will to to insist the solution be implemented. so what is left to do? On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Geez Gary. I guess I need banned then. Here's a personal attack...Hey Gary, you need to quityerfuckinwhinin. Ban away. I prefer to listen to teenage girls on Facebook. Mike On Mar 23, 2014 9:31 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: geez, another personal attack. what a surprise! On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Quitnyerfuckinwhinin. A German word some folks need to learn. Mike On Mar 23, 2014 8:46 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: yes, well, that would solve it. but this whole list is personal attacks and then the stupid mob piling on, so kaleb won't do it as he fears the attackers won't like him anymore On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:08 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: This is a common problem on many other lists. The most successful solution I've seen is to have only one rule: NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. If a member persists with personal attacks he/she will be suspended for 30 days. In order for the list owner to avoid hostility from the people he bans, the list owner privately selects up to fifteen members as moderators whose only function will be to secretly vote on 30 day suspensions. The votes will be sent to someone on the list whom everyone trusts; usually the list owner ; and the list owner will then take the member off the list if a majority of moderators have agreed. Any time after 30 days the member can rejoin. Members can attack other members position on whatever is being discussed, but not other members personally. In the 8 years I've been on one list, only two members out of 150 were given 30 day suspensions and both returned as valuable list members. The fact that the rule is there and will be enforced has a very calming effect on members who tend to be too outspoken. Some hosting services have a way to conduct a survey of X number of moderators so that no moderators votes will be revealed. I don't know if Kalebs has one or not. Gerry On 3/22/2014 1:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Kaleb, it's time to start banning people for this. This is ridiculous. There are a few good people left on this list still, but posts like this seriously undermine what little community is left. The future of the list is at risk... It's already barely technical enough to be even slightly useful. How many people have unsubscribe in the last few days? Jaime On Friday, March 21, 2014, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Forgot to mention, I am glad and proud to be one of the few on this list with the guts to stand up to the condescending hypocritical crap that fats spews. Good description Hendrik! Actually, there are a lot more than 4 of us, just that only 4 of us are not afraid of the schoolyard bully. A spade is a spade. I am STILL WAITING for my refund of all the dollars I spent buying parts from fats, since he claims I never bought any parts from him. It amounts to several thousand dollars. He who expects to sell teile should not bite the hand of his (former) customer. It tends to drive away current and future customers. If anyone is in need of parts, I will be glad to point you to vendors who do not bite the customer. (no interest, no commissions, etc. just willing to help people find good sources for good parts.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] central locking system - '87 300SDL
Check for a shorted wire in the trunk for the light -- the wire runs along the hinge and tends to rub through and short. Be prepared for some wiring repair! This happened on my brother's SDL a few years ago. Peter Good catch. I had that happen too on the SDL. I had forgotten about it until your reminder. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
Boring? Boring?? There's nothing boring about 40 to 50 mpg in a car with an outstanding repair record. And if you're a DIYer, working on an older Prius would be far less boring than working on these diesels that we were tired of working on long ago. Of course, you young peoples attitude is understandable since you haven't been driving and fixing diesels for 46 years like some of us have. Gerry Nothing new with 40 to 50 MPG. That was 30+ years ago on 35 to 100 year old technology. Escort Diesel got 50mpg. Wabbit Diesel got 45-50. Quantum got 45 mpg fully loaded going 70 MPH. I never checked it for absolute max, but it probably could hit 50 too. Don't need no stinking battery boat to get 50 MPG. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
there is a vocal minority of one on this list who live to be bullies. Yep, and its name is gary hurst, AKA MN Fats. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] List Destruction
Put a sock on it, all three of you. I think Kaleb should put all of you on moderation. He said to stop the petty bickering and you continue to push it right to the edge. You're ruining the list for everyone. If it was up to me it wouldn't be moderation, it would be a ban. You're poisoning what was a nice place because you have to be most right. Pissed Dan On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Dieselhead wrote: there is a vocal minority of one on this list who live to be bullies. Yep, and its name is gary hurst, AKA MN Fats. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Okra
Castor beans Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fats driving Okra…didn’t they grind that stuff up in WWI and use it to lube airplane engines? On Mar 23, 2014, at 8:27 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Slimeless okra? No problem. Find a well respected Southern cook or go to a real Southern restaurant. You'll be asking for more. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] A Sad Day, Indeed....
When bands like KISS and Def Leppard have to resort to Groupon for sales: http://www.groupon.com/deals/gl-kiss-def-leppard-20?p=1utm_source=newsletterutm_medium=emailsid=e38cdcc1-7f2b-4528-b899-26f9283bf758division=tampa-bay-areauser=b716fb5fec119fb6b6fb7736705527e4e4e56d6307e0e57ec1615cceff56fc7adate=20140323s=bodyc=linkd=deal-pageutm_campaign=e38cdcc1-7f2b-4528-b899-26f9283bf758; And I thought it was bad when Barry Manilow was doing it Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] List Destruction
Anen. On Mar 23, 2014 10:18 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Put a sock on it, all three of you. I think Kaleb should put all of you on moderation. He said to stop the petty bickering and you continue to push it right to the edge. You're ruining the list for everyone. If it was up to me it wouldn't be moderation, it would be a ban. You're poisoning what was a nice place because you have to be most right. Pissed Dan On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Dieselhead wrote: there is a vocal minority of one on this list who live to be bullies. Yep, and its name is gary hurst, AKA MN Fats. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] List Destruction
That is Amen to the nth power. On Mar 23, 2014 10:47 AM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Anen. On Mar 23, 2014 10:18 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Put a sock on it, all three of you. I think Kaleb should put all of you on moderation. He said to stop the petty bickering and you continue to push it right to the edge. You're ruining the list for everyone. If it was up to me it wouldn't be moderation, it would be a ban. You're poisoning what was a nice place because you have to be most right. Pissed Dan On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Dieselhead wrote: there is a vocal minority of one on this list who live to be bullies. Yep, and its name is gary hurst, AKA MN Fats. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] ADMIN
And it continues. Gary continuing to make comments about attacks, which starts Michael up attacking back, and back and forth we go again. Then we now start getting profanity on it. Gary and Michael are now on moderation status. Lets review the few rules we have: 1. No PERSONAL attacks 2. Respect your fellow list member on list 3. No profanity ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] central locking system - '87 300SDL
Does an SDL use the same electric vacuum pump system like a 201? My '98 Jetta was popping a fuse when I first got it, that car almost the exact same pump my 201 does. I unplugged the vacuum pump (hidden in the trunk) and the problem went away. Replaced the pump and the problem didn't come back although I did discover a bad vacuum line (heard it) but I can't actually find the line to replace it as its buried in the dash somewhere. I haven't spent all that much time on it, thats a project for this summer. -Curt Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 22:34:31 -0800 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] central locking system - '87 300SDL Message-ID: 30b6144c-b255-11e3-a47b-000502d9a...@windwireless.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed fuse that controls the central locking system, blew again, [2x] That fuse sucks. _Everything_ that's got power 24x7 is on there. Start by looking at things like courtesy lights, radio antenna, etc. I gutted an SL once chasing this sort of thing. http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/JSL2log.html#13Aug2008 -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ADMIN
And Loren. On 3/23/2014 9:55 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: And it continues. Gary continuing to make comments about attacks, which starts Michael up attacking back, and back and forth we go again. Then we now start getting profanity on it. Gary and Michael are now on moderation status. Lets review the few rules we have: 1. No PERSONAL attacks 2. Respect your fellow list member on list 3. No profanity ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
My Jetta returns driving excitement and a consistent 46mpg (average over 7,000 miles). The Prius is one of the least fun cars I've ever been in. They're ugly, slow and not really all that efficient compared to a TDI. Their outstanding repair record is an anecdotal accident, if you sit somebody down and really get an honest picture of how much time they spend in the shop its worse than a Camry. In fact most people with a Prius would probably be better off with a Camry. Fools buy them to commute on the highway where their mileage goes DOWN. They pay a premium and then don't get anywhere near the mileage they think they're getting. Rare is the Prius driver that gets 50mpg, 40 is much more common. Worst tank ever out of my TDI was 45mpg and I had the IP resealed (fuel is lost during the project of course) during that time. -Curt Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 09:10:24 -0400 From: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on Message-ID: 532edd40.9060...@embarqmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Boring? Boring?? There's nothing boring about 40 to 50 mpg in a car with an outstanding repair record. And if you're a DIYer, working on an older Prius would be far less boring than working on these diesels that we were tired of working on long ago. Of course, you young peoples attitude is understandable since you haven't been driving and fixing diesels for 46 years like some of us have. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
I've never been to a Trader Joe's that wasn't packed full of rude people. They seem to have good stuff but I can't stand the other shoppers. Same reason I don't go to Wal-Mart but for a whole different category of people. -Curt Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 20:14:45 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fats driving Message-ID: d8e565ea-59bf-49f2-8876-b5fef94c9...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just opened the first Trader Joe's in Tampa this weekend. They had police officers present for crowd control. Oy. Dan no two buck Chuck for me, thank you ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
Other than a dust-off occasionally solar panels have no moving parts and require no maintenance. They are generally accepted to have at least a 30 year lifespan and the cost per-watt is rapidly approaching parity with convention (ie coal) electricity. Not there yet but an awful lot closer than it was even just 15 years ago. We've gotten a lot of wind capacity put up in my area in the last couple years 7.5Mw in 5 towers. Powers a high school, community college and prison. The electric company dragged their feet badly on each one. The prison was last and the state had to finally threaten National Grid pretty seriously before it got going. I think the turbines were up almost 2 years before they started turning. They all laughed at Carl Daimler too, who wanted a gasoline car when you could have a horse? -Curt Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 19:28:20 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on Message-ID: canzcij9fc75dzltaek6_nct-ux221weu1zodjjm0qt0c41r...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Not when you add in the impacts and costs to produce and maintain those solar cells and wind turbines. I have the option to buy wind energy and it cots more than the coal and natural gas produced electricity. Not a lot, but still more. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Jetta's big drive
And the car handles fine. I drove it all winter at 40psi and never had any more trouble than I expected. In the snow I think that a smaller contact patch is actually preferable, it cuts down through the snow. The car also has seats from a K2 Jetta. They're race inspired with extra bolstering which transmits shocks a little more. I think new shocks might help a little though. Around here the harsher ride isn't such a big deal, it was on the really rotten roads in NYC I was feeling it. -Curt Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:57:44 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Jetta's big drive Message-ID: 532dcf18.5070...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed ernest breakfield wrote: wouldn't running the tires that high exacerbate road harshness, increase your likelihood to skid under emergency braking, and decrease your traction in turns,...? Yes, no, no. Also increases tire life and fuel economy. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
I hesitate to suggest this but Gary, you are the one who makes personal attacks. If we made up a list of personal attack words like, say, idiot I'd submit that 80% of the time those words are used its from you attacking one of us. I'd bet a nickel your response to this email will be about how stupid I am for attacking you (which I'm not, merely making an observation) and defending your detractors (which again I'm not). -Curt Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 09:44:15 -0400 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fats driving Message-ID: caciok3spdfaxbnenadcd6zvu5yicxabagjhrx5hsh36wn-l...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 there is a vocal minority on this list who live to be bullies. the only solution is the one gerry suggests, that of zero tolerance towards personal attacks. but the moderator is asleep at the wheel and the majority has no will to to insist the solution be implemented. so what is left to do? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] My new hot dip tank
What is the gorilla sized burner under it? -Curt Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 18:56:53 -0400 From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] My new hot dip tank Message-ID: 11f8658c-297a-46b8-8c81-b95aafabf...@email.android.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Water tight! -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20140320_185528_671.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1319451 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20140320/7782f7d5/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] List Admin
With recent increase in personal attacks, profanity etc, I have decided to appoint Dan Penoff as a list administrator in order to assist with crowd control before things get really out of hand. This is something I have intended to do for quite a while but have been to lazy to get around to it. Also, this should allow posts to be approved much quicker, as I sometimes get into times when I do not check the list for a few days to a week. This will also get crowd control handled much quicker. If anyone has any problems or complains, please feel free to reach out to Dan or myself. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] My new hot dip tank
Hope you saved the top for it, add a rack and smoke box and you got a nice Q set-up --R On 3/23/14 11:16 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: What is the gorilla sized burner under it? -Curt Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 18:56:53 -0400 From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] My new hot dip tank Message-ID: 11f8658c-297a-46b8-8c81-b95aafabf...@email.android.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Water tight! -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20140320_185528_671.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1319451 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20140320/7782f7d5/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst
I am a PIA not a DA On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: sexton says they sound like shakespeare with original pronunciation On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: How so? Many years ago I went to a conference in Ontario they made fun of the 'goofy neufies. Not the dogs either. On Mar 22, 2014 9:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Newfoundland trumps all the provinces. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Andrew wrote: Don't insult the chap - he's from Manitoba. Yeah... Sorry Randy. I guess I coulda said Quebec - that might be the ultimate insult. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
I believe there was even a Chevette diesel for a brief period. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Boring? Boring?? There's nothing boring about 40 to 50 mpg in a car with an outstanding repair record. And if you're a DIYer, working on an older Prius would be far less boring than working on these diesels that we were tired of working on long ago. Of course, you young peoples attitude is understandable since you haven't been driving and fixing diesels for 46 years like some of us have. Gerry Nothing new with 40 to 50 MPG. That was 30+ years ago on 35 to 100 year old technology. Escort Diesel got 50mpg. Wabbit Diesel got 45-50. Quantum got 45 mpg fully loaded going 70 MPH. I never checked it for absolute max, but it probably could hit 50 too. Don't need no stinking battery boat to get 50 MPG. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] List Destruction
If we were all at a fancy party we would start tossing those miscreants into the pool. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.comwrote: That is Amen to the nth power. On Mar 23, 2014 10:47 AM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Anen. On Mar 23, 2014 10:18 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Put a sock on it, all three of you. I think Kaleb should put all of you on moderation. He said to stop the petty bickering and you continue to push it right to the edge. You're ruining the list for everyone. If it was up to me it wouldn't be moderation, it would be a ban. You're poisoning what was a nice place because you have to be most right. Pissed Dan On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Dieselhead wrote: there is a vocal minority of one on this list who live to be bullies. Yep, and its name is gary hurst, AKA MN Fats. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ADMIN
Which Michael? On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: And Loren. On 3/23/2014 9:55 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: And it continues. Gary continuing to make comments about attacks, which starts Michael up attacking back, and back and forth we go again. Then we now start getting profanity on it. Gary and Michael are now on moderation status. Lets review the few rules we have: 1. No PERSONAL attacks 2. Respect your fellow list member on list 3. No profanity ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
I don't go to Walmart because it destroyed the economy of the small town I lived in inWisconsin when they moved into town. Probably 15 years ago, but I'm still bitter about it. As for Trader Joe's, I just don't understand the attraction. The edgy people? (The Apple Store does that - nope.) The funky products? Not really. Prices? Hardly. If I'm missing something I would love for someone to point it out. I just don't get it. Befuddled Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 23, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I've never been to a Trader Joe's that wasn't packed full of rude people. They seem to have good stuff but I can't stand the other shoppers. Same reason I don't go to Wal-Mart but for a whole different category of people. -Curt Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 20:14:45 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fats driving Message-ID: d8e565ea-59bf-49f2-8876-b5fef94c9...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just opened the first Trader Joe's in Tampa this weekend. They had police officers present for crowd control. Oy. Dan no two buck Chuck for me, thank you ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I believe there was even a Chevette diesel for a brief period. I have no idea where you'd find one today. Same engine as the diesel Isuzu P'up and Chevy LUV. Many Chevettes were sacrificed in the 1980s to provide donor parts for pickups that are now long since rusted away (and were probably already rustier at the time of the engine swaps than the Chevettes their new engines came from) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
Curt Raymond wrote: Other than a dust-off occasionally solar panels have no moving parts and require no maintenance. They are generally accepted to have at least a 30 year lifespan and the cost per-watt is rapidly approaching parity with convention (ie coal) electricity. Not there yet but an awful lot closer than it was even just 15 years ago. We've gotten a lot of wind capacity put up in my area in the last couple years 7.5Mw in 5 towers. Powers a high school, community college and prison. The electric company dragged their feet badly on each one. The prison was last and the state had to finally threaten National Grid pretty seriously before it got going. I think the turbines were up almost 2 years before they started turning. Solar has certain advantages, as peak production matches with peak demand during air conditioning season. Wind is just irregular and unpredictable. Any major percentage of wind power would cause grid management issues. I regularly see really long turbine blades (I'm guessing over 70') going down the highway on my morning commute. I see close to half a dozen a week, and I'm sure I don't see them all. Somebody must be building a huge wind farm. I guess they're on their way to the thumb: www.michigan.gov/documents/mpsc/wind_map_407661_7.pdf Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] W124 Trunk Latch
Just got done sorting out the eldest son's trunk latch and thought I would post my findings. The complaint was that the trunk lid would not open when pushing the lock cylinder in as expected, and simply pulling up on the trunk lid would release the lid. In other words, the trunk wasn't secure. Getting the latch out wasn't a big ordeal. Pretty much consisted of: Removing the plastic trim piece covering the bottom of the trunk opening and the lower back wall by prying the square plastic rivets out. Pushing in the plunger on the vacuum element to release the actuator rod. Unplugging the harness to the microswitch on the trunk latch. Unscrewing the three 10mm bolts that hold the latch on the body. It was a bit of a puzzle as to how to get the latch out of the body, but by twisting and turning along with pressing the lock cylinder I got it out. Tight fit, but be patient, it can be done. Pay close attention to the white plastic lever on the bottom of the latch that the central locking vacuum actuator rod is connected to. Looks like it would be easy to break off during removal if you're not careful. Once the latch was removed, I was perplexed as to how to disassemble it. There are no obvious fasteners other than a couple of rods that are peened into place as pivots for the latch and the mechanism. Hmm. I could tell that the back half of the latch, the part that contained the latch itself, was a separate part from the rest, and that it was slid or pressed in place from the top down onto the rest of the mechanism, mainly the part with the lock cylinder. I tried gently prying, and eventually the latch portion just came off from the top. From close inspection it does not appear that there are any latches or clips, it just presses into place. Once apart I could see the problem right away. Water had gotten into the latch and cause the latch hook, the metal piece that hooks around the loop from the trunk lid, and another lever next to it that locked the latch into place were rusted to the point where they wouldn't move despite having a spring on both to keep them in a given position. A liberal soaking with some penetrating lube followed by some 3M Adhesive Remover (gawd, I love that stuff!) to remove the residue and things were beginning to loosen up. While the penetrating lube was working I was moving the levers back and forth rapidly to get things down into the nooks and crannies as well as to free things up. A few drops of 20W machine oil on the pivots and all was pretty much back to normal. The trunk latch lever still doesn't want to return on its own, but that really doesn't affect the operation of the latch. IMPORTANT STEP: Before reinstalling the latch and making adjustments, I removed the left rear taillight. This way, should the latch decide to hang up, fail, or otherwise not work after reinstalling it, we had access to the trunk. This is a critical and necessary step any time you are working on a trunk latch or related mechanism! Got it all back together, tried it out, and trunk releases and latches as intended. And now I am enjoying a cold beverage while sharing my experience with you. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
Mitch Haley wrote: I regularly see really long turbine blades (I'm guessing over 70') going down the highway on my morning commute. I see close to half a dozen a week, and I'm sure I don't see them all. Somebody must be building a huge wind farm. I guess they're on their way to the thumb: www.michigan.gov/documents/mpsc/wind_map_407661_7.pdf Way over 70' blades, if those are the Gamesa G114 turbines being installed at Big Turtle. (114 meter rotor diameter) I'm thinking they're probably GE 1.7-100s headed for Consumers Energy's Crosswinds wind farm, those are only 100 meters in diameter. Either way, those blades are well over 100' long. They sure are impressive when you pass them on the freeway. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
Northwestern Indiana has a huge number of wind turbines, most of which are just north of Lafayette and follow I-65 north to the Tri State area. I would love to have solar here, as it makes a lot of sense. The big problem is the up front costs, and little is being done to help with that. Not only that, but with a lengthy payback period, if I take out a second mortgage to pay for it, for example, I lose all advantages if I sell the house before everything is depreciated out. Dan On Mar 23, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Solar has certain advantages, as peak production matches with peak demand during air conditioning season. Wind is just irregular and unpredictable. Any major percentage of wind power would cause grid management issues. I regularly see really long turbine blades (I'm guessing over 70') going down the highway on my morning commute. I see close to half a dozen a week, and I'm sure I don't see them all. Somebody must be building a huge wind farm. I guess they're on their way to the thumb: www.michigan.gov/documents/mpsc/wind_map_407661_7.pdf Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Wind Power
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Indiana Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 Trunk Latch
Nice job! Thanks for tip about the taillight. Michael E. Esh 231-286-2344 On Mar 23, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Just got done sorting out the eldest son's trunk latch and thought I would post my findings. The complaint was that the trunk lid would not open when pushing the lock cylinder in as expected, and simply pulling up on the trunk lid would release the lid. In other words, the trunk wasn't secure. Getting the latch out wasn't a big ordeal. Pretty much consisted of: Removing the plastic trim piece covering the bottom of the trunk opening and the lower back wall by prying the square plastic rivets out. Pushing in the plunger on the vacuum element to release the actuator rod. Unplugging the harness to the microswitch on the trunk latch. Unscrewing the three 10mm bolts that hold the latch on the body. It was a bit of a puzzle as to how to get the latch out of the body, but by twisting and turning along with pressing the lock cylinder I got it out. Tight fit, but be patient, it can be done. Pay close attention to the white plastic lever on the bottom of the latch that the central locking vacuum actuator rod is connected to. Looks like it would be easy to break off during removal if you're not careful. Once the latch was removed, I was perplexed as to how to disassemble it. There are no obvious fasteners other than a couple of rods that are peened into place as pivots for the latch and the mechanism. Hmm. I could tell that the back half of the latch, the part that contained the latch itself, was a separate part from the rest, and that it was slid or pressed in place from the top down onto the rest of the mechanism, mainly the part with the lock cylinder. I tried gently prying, and eventually the latch portion just came off from the top. From close inspection it does not appear that there are any latches or clips, it just presses into place. Once apart I could see the problem right away. Water had gotten into the latch and cause the latch hook, the metal piece that hooks around the loop from the trunk lid, and another lever next to it that locked the latch into place were rusted to the point where they wouldn't move despite having a spring on both to keep them in a given position. A liberal soaking with some penetrating lube followed by some 3M Adhesive Remover (gawd, I love that stuff!) to remove the residue and things were beginning to loosen up. While the penetrating lube was working I was moving the levers back and forth rapidly to get things down into the nooks and crannies as well as to free things up. A few drops of 20W machine oil on the pivots and all was pretty much back to normal. The trunk latch lever still doesn't want to return on its own, but that really doesn't affect the operation of the latch. IMPORTANT STEP: Before reinstalling the latch and making adjustments, I removed the left rear taillight. This way, should the latch decide to hang up, fail, or otherwise not work after reinstalling it, we had access to the trunk. This is a critical and necessary step any time you are working on a trunk latch or related mechanism! Got it all back together, tried it out, and trunk releases and latches as intended. And now I am enjoying a cold beverage while sharing my experience with you. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 Trunk Latch
'Nother ATTABOY! Wilt - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 12:28 PM Subject: [MBZ] W124 Trunk Latch Just got done sorting out the eldest son's trunk latch and thought I would post my findings. The complaint was that the trunk lid would not open when pushing the lock cylinder in as expected, and simply pulling up on the trunk lid would release the lid. In other words, the trunk wasn't secure. Getting the latch out wasn't a big ordeal. Pretty much consisted of: Removing the plastic trim piece covering the bottom of the trunk opening and the lower back wall by prying the square plastic rivets out. Pushing in the plunger on the vacuum element to release the actuator rod. Unplugging the harness to the microswitch on the trunk latch. Unscrewing the three 10mm bolts that hold the latch on the body. It was a bit of a puzzle as to how to get the latch out of the body, but by twisting and turning along with pressing the lock cylinder I got it out. Tight fit, but be patient, it can be done. Pay close attention to the white plastic lever on the bottom of the latch that the central locking vacuum actuator rod is connected to. Looks like it would be easy to break off during removal if you're not careful. Once the latch was removed, I was perplexed as to how to disassemble it. There are no obvious fasteners other than a couple of rods that are peened into place as pivots for the latch and the mechanism. Hmm. I could tell that the back half of the latch, the part that contained the latch itself, was a separate part from the rest, and that it was slid or pressed in place from the top down onto the rest of the mechanism, mainly the part with the lock cylinder. I tried gently prying, and eventually the latch portion just came off from the top. From close inspection it does not appear that there are any latches or clips, it just presses into place. Once apart I could see the problem right away. Water had gotten into the latch and cause the latch hook, the metal piece that hooks around the loop from the trunk lid, and another lever next to it that locked the latch into place were rusted to the point where they wouldn't move despite having a spring on both to keep them in a given position. A liberal soaking with some penetrating lube followed by some 3M Adhesive Remover (gawd, I love that stuff!) to remove the residue and things were beginning to loosen up. While the penetrating lube was working I was moving the levers back and forth rapidly to get things down into the nooks and crannies as well as to free things up. A few drops of 20W machine oil on the pivots and all was pretty much back to normal. The trunk latch lever still doesn't want to return on its own, but that really doesn't affect the operation of the latch. IMPORTANT STEP: Before reinstalling the latch and making adjustments, I removed the left rear taillight. This way, should the latch decide to hang up, fail, or otherwise not work after reinstalling it, we had access to the trunk. This is a critical and necessary step any time you are working on a trunk latch or related mechanism! Got it all back together, tried it out, and trunk releases and latches as intended. And now I am enjoying a cold beverage while sharing my experience with you. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] My new hot dip tank
What is this for again? On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Hope you saved the top for it, add a rack and smoke box and you got a nice Q set-up --R On 3/23/14 11:16 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: What is the gorilla sized burner under it? -Curt Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 18:56:53 -0400 From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] My new hot dip tank Message-ID: 11f8658c-297a-46b8-8c81-b95aafabf...@email.android.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Water tight! -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20140320_185528_671.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1319451 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz. com/attachments/20140320/7782f7d5/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
They have the TASTIEST wet cat food sans by-products for the price, plus cheap chips and lots of neat frozen fish and entrees. Their proprietary products are very good and cost way less than the national brands. And, you can get nearly everything there, such as laundry soap, toothpaste, great vitamins and minerals, and motor oil. Well, not motor oil, but they do have the least expensive olive oil selection from many continents. Plus good produce, cheeses, etc. What's not to like? Here in the DC area people are invariably polite everywhere so you should just move up and support our local economy. Andrew Descending from his soap box (purchased at TJs) On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I don't go to Walmart because it destroyed the economy of the small town I lived in inWisconsin when they moved into town. Probably 15 years ago, but I'm still bitter about it. As for Trader Joe's, I just don't understand the attraction. The edgy people? (The Apple Store does that - nope.) The funky products? Not really. Prices? Hardly. If I'm missing something I would love for someone to point it out. I just don't get it. Befuddled Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 23, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I've never been to a Trader Joe's that wasn't packed full of rude people. They seem to have good stuff but I can't stand the other shoppers. Same reason I don't go to Wal-Mart but for a whole different category of people. -Curt Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 20:14:45 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fats driving Message-ID: d8e565ea-59bf-49f2-8876-b5fef94c9...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just opened the first Trader Joe's in Tampa this weekend. They had police officers present for crowd control. Oy. Dan no two buck Chuck for me, thank you ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
So that begs the question: at what point does the scarcity of a crappy vehicle (e.g., a Chevette) translate into $$s? On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I believe there was even a Chevette diesel for a brief period. I have no idea where you'd find one today. Same engine as the diesel Isuzu P'up and Chevy LUV. Many Chevettes were sacrificed in the 1980s to provide donor parts for pickups that are now long since rusted away (and were probably already rustier at the time of the engine swaps than the Chevettes their new engines came from) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
The new Siemens turbines for offshore installations are 6 megawatts each. Gi-normous. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Northwestern Indiana has a huge number of wind turbines, most of which are just north of Lafayette and follow I-65 north to the Tri State area. I would love to have solar here, as it makes a lot of sense. The big problem is the up front costs, and little is being done to help with that. Not only that, but with a lengthy payback period, if I take out a second mortgage to pay for it, for example, I lose all advantages if I sell the house before everything is depreciated out. Dan On Mar 23, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Solar has certain advantages, as peak production matches with peak demand during air conditioning season. Wind is just irregular and unpredictable. Any major percentage of wind power would cause grid management issues. I regularly see really long turbine blades (I'm guessing over 70') going down the highway on my morning commute. I see close to half a dozen a week, and I'm sure I don't see them all. Somebody must be building a huge wind farm. I guess they're on their way to the thumb: www.michigan.gov/documents/mpsc/wind_map_407661_7.pdf Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Wind Power
Wind power, developed on a commercial scale, has serious economic flaws. While much political and environmental noise is made about how clean it is and how it will save the environment/world, if you truly put the accountant pencil to paper, the cost to purchase, build, install, connect versus the return on investment from actual power generated and sold does not pay out. To date, from the information I have, no wind power farm has produced enough electricity sold to pay for it's install and upkeep costs much less produce a profit without constant influx of federal support grants and money. When the federal money runs out, the wind farm is left breathless to continue on a practical economic scale. Bottom line always is, the wind blows when it blows while people want their electricity constant and there is no way yet devised to store huge amounts of generated electricity for later use. Major flaw is all wind farm designs and wind farm tech support. If however, we could keep congress in session and all politicians talking, we would have an endless source of hot air that could be harnessed that might be a viable use of an otherwise worthless expense. I've been following wind power rather closely since the 1973 Great Oil Embargo and formation of OPEC. One of the first large scale wind farms is the one at Banning, CA. Some of the original wind generators are still there, and it's my information that those, since 1974 install still have not paid for themselves in actual KW produced and sold. I have two wind towers at my ranch, tied into the solar/battery bank as supplemental power to pick up a few watts of energy when the wind blows. Each tower cost about $5K all in and other than I can claim how green I am for having them, they have not produced enough to warrant their install in real return on investment. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Indiana Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] A Sad Day, Indeed....
Imagine that. I didn't know they were still around. What retirement home are they playing at? On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 7:39 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: When bands like KISS and Def Leppard have to resort to Groupon for sales: http://www.groupon.com/deals/gl-kiss-def-leppard-20?p=1utm_source=newsletterutm_medium=emailsid=e38cdcc1-7f2b-4528-b899-26f9283bf758division=tampa-bay-areauser=b716fb5fec119fb6b6fb7736705527e4e4e56d6307e0e57ec1615cceff56fc7adate=20140323s=bodyc=linkd=deal-pageutm_campaign=e38cdcc1-7f2b-4528-b899-26f9283bf758; And I thought it was bad when Barry Manilow was doing it Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] central locking system - '87 300SDL
Does an SDL use the same electric vacuum pump system like a 201? Similar. It's next to the spare tire. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] A Sad Day, Indeed....
G Mann wrote: Imagine that. I didn't know they were still around. What retirement home are they playing at? Florida State Fairgrounds, probably not much different from a retirement home. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Wind Power
Any avian or raptor mortality? On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:28 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Wind power, developed on a commercial scale, has serious economic flaws. While much political and environmental noise is made about how clean it is and how it will save the environment/world, if you truly put the accountant pencil to paper, the cost to purchase, build, install, connect versus the return on investment from actual power generated and sold does not pay out. To date, from the information I have, no wind power farm has produced enough electricity sold to pay for it's install and upkeep costs much less produce a profit without constant influx of federal support grants and money. When the federal money runs out, the wind farm is left breathless to continue on a practical economic scale. Bottom line always is, the wind blows when it blows while people want their electricity constant and there is no way yet devised to store huge amounts of generated electricity for later use. Major flaw is all wind farm designs and wind farm tech support. If however, we could keep congress in session and all politicians talking, we would have an endless source of hot air that could be harnessed that might be a viable use of an otherwise worthless expense. I've been following wind power rather closely since the 1973 Great Oil Embargo and formation of OPEC. One of the first large scale wind farms is the one at Banning, CA. Some of the original wind generators are still there, and it's my information that those, since 1974 install still have not paid for themselves in actual KW produced and sold. I have two wind towers at my ranch, tied into the solar/battery bank as supplemental power to pick up a few watts of energy when the wind blows. Each tower cost about $5K all in and other than I can claim how green I am for having them, they have not produced enough to warrant their install in real return on investment. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Indiana Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
What did they do with the... Umm... Residue? (It's kinda noxious stuff, and needs special handling; you certainly don't want anyone getting ahold of any of it...) -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:44, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: OkraŠdidn't they grind that stuff up in WWI and use it to lube airplane engines? Naaa that was castor beans ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
Btw their fruity o's taste like old-school fruit loops (from 30 or so years ago), and their pound plus chocolate bars are very good quality (the smaller versions of them are nowhere near as good...) -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Mar 23, 2014, at 13:25, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: They have the TASTIEST wet cat food sans by-products for the price, plus cheap chips and lots of neat frozen fish and entrees. Their proprietary products are very good and cost way less than the national brands. And, you can get nearly everything there, such as laundry soap, toothpaste, great vitamins and minerals, and motor oil. Well, not motor oil, but they do have the least expensive olive oil selection from many continents. Plus good produce, cheeses, etc. What's not to like? Here in the DC area people are invariably polite everywhere so you should just move up and support our local economy. Andrew Descending from his soap box (purchased at TJs) On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I don't go to Walmart because it destroyed the economy of the small town I lived in inWisconsin when they moved into town. Probably 15 years ago, but I'm still bitter about it. As for Trader Joe's, I just don't understand the attraction. The edgy people? (The Apple Store does that - nope.) The funky products? Not really. Prices? Hardly. If I'm missing something I would love for someone to point it out. I just don't get it. Befuddled Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 23, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I've never been to a Trader Joe's that wasn't packed full of rude people. They seem to have good stuff but I can't stand the other shoppers. Same reason I don't go to Wal-Mart but for a whole different category of people. -Curt Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 20:14:45 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fats driving Message-ID: d8e565ea-59bf-49f2-8876-b5fef94c9...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just opened the first Trader Joe's in Tampa this weekend. They had police officers present for crowd control. Oy. Dan no two buck Chuck for me, thank you ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] A Sad Day, Indeed....
Actually, the venue is one of the nicest outdoor amphitheaters in the area, which just happens to be on the property of the State Fairgrounds. Used to be the 1-800-Axe-Gary Amphitheater, believe it or not (I'm doing that phonetically so readers can appreciate the true flavor of the name.) Can't say they were in a hurry to renew that contract, I'll bet. That being said, you know things have tanked badly when bands start playing the fair circuits. A lot of the Seals and Crofts featuring Seals from the original band seem to hit the road when people get hard up for cash. I think Three Dog Night was touring a couple of years ago with only one of the original band members... Dan On Mar 23, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: G Mann wrote: Imagine that. I didn't know they were still around. What retirement home are they playing at? Florida State Fairgrounds, probably not much different from a retirement home. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
I'm not to the point in my life where I'm having to eat cat food. Sorry. I'm sure their stuff is good, I just don't understand why people get all frothy about the place. We have a Fresh Market opening up a few blocks away in April. Supposed to be a high end market focusing mainly on meats and produce. Publix (right across the street) is not happy. They have ratcheted up their marketing in the neighborhood. There is a meat market right next door to the place, too. We're taking bets to see how long they last once it opens. Dan On Mar 23, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: They have the TASTIEST wet cat food sans by-products for the price, plus cheap chips and lots of neat frozen fish and entrees. Their proprietary products are very good and cost way less than the national brands. And, you can get nearly everything there, such as laundry soap, toothpaste, great vitamins and minerals, and motor oil. Well, not motor oil, but they do have the least expensive olive oil selection from many continents. Plus good produce, cheeses, etc. What's not to like? Here in the DC area people are invariably polite everywhere so you should just move up and support our local economy. Andrew Descending from his soap box (purchased at TJs) On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I don't go to Walmart because it destroyed the economy of the small town I lived in inWisconsin when they moved into town. Probably 15 years ago, but I'm still bitter about it. As for Trader Joe's, I just don't understand the attraction. The edgy people? (The Apple Store does that - nope.) The funky products? Not really. Prices? Hardly. If I'm missing something I would love for someone to point it out. I just don't get it. Befuddled Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 23, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I've never been to a Trader Joe's that wasn't packed full of rude people. They seem to have good stuff but I can't stand the other shoppers. Same reason I don't go to Wal-Mart but for a whole different category of people. -Curt Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 20:14:45 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fats driving Message-ID: d8e565ea-59bf-49f2-8876-b5fef94c9...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just opened the first Trader Joe's in Tampa this weekend. They had police officers present for crowd control. Oy. Dan no two buck Chuck for me, thank you ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Cool 96 E300 Diesel is hot
Doesn't a hole in an aluminum casting get smaller when you heat the casting? No. As to how it works, the coefficient of expansion of Al is greater than that of steel (12.3 vs. 7.3). When the head expands, all dimensions of the head expand at the same rate, so the holes enlarge as well. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitchell Haley, EA Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 5:02 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cool 96 E300 Diesel is hot The way I am reading this you used some sort of penetrator fluid? Would this not cool off the plugs, thus defeating the purpose of the exercise in warming the plugs up to operating temp? I believe the idea was to have the aluminum head hot so that it expanded around the steel plug. I'm not sure how that works, however. Doesn't a hole in an aluminum casting get smaller when you heat the casting? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] A Sad Day, Indeed....
gene simmons is about the slickest marketer there is, so i wouldn't be too worried about him kiss came out of the neighborhood i grew up in. there were two european sports cars in my neighborhood, a 914 and an XKE. the XKE was owned by a the family of a guy who played bass in a band with stanley eisen (soon to be paul stanley). the band wasn't going anywhere, so he quit and presented the israeli guy as his replacement it worked out well for the band from that point on On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: When bands like KISS and Def Leppard have to resort to Groupon for sales: http://www.groupon.com/deals/gl-kiss-def-leppard-20?p=1utm_source=newsletterutm_medium=emailsid=e38cdcc1-7f2b-4528-b899-26f9283bf758division=tampa-bay-areauser=b716fb5fec119fb6b6fb7736705527e4e4e56d6307e0e57ec1615cceff56fc7adate=20140323s=bodyc=linkd=deal-pageutm_campaign=e38cdcc1-7f2b-4528-b899-26f9283bf758; And I thought it was bad when Barry Manilow was doing it Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Wind Power
One niche where wind power does make sense is cruising sailboats, particularly at anchor or on a mooring. In that case the only alternatives for battery charging are solar cells (low output) or running the engine (even more noisy). At anchor, wind (unobstructed by land features) is frequently available and the occupants (being cruisers) can adjust their schedules to accommodate power availability. I sold my Cape Dory when I moved inland to the NC Piedmont in 2005. Scott -Original Message- From: G Mann Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 1:28 PM Wind power, developed on a commercial scale, has serious economic flaws. ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
there was a chevy diesel with some isuzu engine . i have always desired one On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I believe there was even a Chevette diesel for a brief period. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Boring? Boring?? There's nothing boring about 40 to 50 mpg in a car with an outstanding repair record. And if you're a DIYer, working on an older Prius would be far less boring than working on these diesels that we were tired of working on long ago. Of course, you young peoples attitude is understandable since you haven't been driving and fixing diesels for 46 years like some of us have. Gerry Nothing new with 40 to 50 MPG. That was 30+ years ago on 35 to 100 year old technology. Escort Diesel got 50mpg. Wabbit Diesel got 45-50. Quantum got 45 mpg fully loaded going 70 MPH. I never checked it for absolute max, but it probably could hit 50 too. Don't need no stinking battery boat to get 50 MPG. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst
i prefer the word curmudgeon to PIA. a curmudgeon is a PIA but a PIA might not be a curmudgeon On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I am a PIA not a DA On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: sexton says they sound like shakespeare with original pronunciation On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: How so? Many years ago I went to a conference in Ontario they made fun of the 'goofy neufies. Not the dogs either. On Mar 22, 2014 9:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Newfoundland trumps all the provinces. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Andrew wrote: Don't insult the chap - he's from Manitoba. Yeah... Sorry Randy. I guess I coulda said Quebec - that might be the ultimate insult. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] A Sad Day, Indeed....
Right up there with the guy who has the Gravedigger monster truck. That guy is a genius and must be a millionaire many times over. Dan On Mar 23, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: gene simmons is about the slickest marketer there is, so i wouldn't be too worried about him kiss came out of the neighborhood i grew up in. there were two european sports cars in my neighborhood, a 914 and an XKE. the XKE was owned by a the family of a guy who played bass in a band with stanley eisen (soon to be paul stanley). the band wasn't going anywhere, so he quit and presented the israeli guy as his replacement it worked out well for the band from that point on On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: When bands like KISS and Def Leppard have to resort to Groupon for sales: http://www.groupon.com/deals/gl-kiss-def-leppard-20?p=1utm_source=newsletterutm_medium=emailsid=e38cdcc1-7f2b-4528-b899-26f9283bf758division=tampa-bay-areauser=b716fb5fec119fb6b6fb7736705527e4e4e56d6307e0e57ec1615cceff56fc7adate=20140323s=bodyc=linkd=deal-pageutm_campaign=e38cdcc1-7f2b-4528-b899-26f9283bf758; And I thought it was bad when Barry Manilow was doing it Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
Most electricity is still generated from coal. Actually not true. According to the US Energy Information Admin. only 37% of US electricity was produced from coal in 2012. I am sure that percentage is declining annually. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 5:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on Most electricity is still generated from coal. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Andrew wrote: You want entitled? How about the oil companies with their tax breaks? Exactly!! Or how about the electric companies with their entitlements and lack of concern about coal or nuke development. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
people are becoming pretty we informed about the big Oil profit being around 3%. Lower than virtually all other industries. The people really raking the money via gas sales is the government - state and Federal! Sincerely, Larry On 3/21/2014 8:58 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Most of our foreign oil comes from Canada though so the argument that our military is fighting over oil seems unlikely to me. Still and all our government gives big oil a buncha tax breaks and they get lots of help building pipelines and whatnot. All for companies that make gazillions of dollars. I liked in Who Killed the Electric Car how they pointed out that the US paid big money to help develop hybrids so the big 3 could say Hybrids? Nobody wants 'em! Then Toyota and Honda make bank on hybrids. Now Ford and GM are so behind they lease last generation hybrid tech from the asians. -Curt Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 19:49:31 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on Message-ID: calk3cy7w-f8knhzsn4qb1fuzyu2jmp+llrn39zhlhptsrb+...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dan wrote: When electric or hybrid cars become competitively priced and are economical to operate, I'm on board. Pricing of everything needs a revamp. Total cost of everything involved needs to be included. We still do WWII clean up at Knoxville, Hanford, LANL, and many other places. That cost still is never included in any cost/benefit analyses. We need that cost when we figure gas/diesel/electric but we won't do that since gov't supported free-market multi-national corporations never pay for half of the disposition of end-of-life resources. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Electrics
You wrote nothing new can be innovated or invented.- the new head of the US Patent office said something very similar in the 20s. It's still wrong... Sincerely, Larry On 3/21/2014 9:06 PM, Mountain Man wrote: nothing new can be innovated or invented. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
I heard they dumped it into a swamp in LOOsiana. That’s where they filmed all those swamp monster movies from the ‘50s. On Mar 23, 2014, at 1:54 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: What did they do with the... Umm... Residue? (It's kinda noxious stuff, and needs special handling; you certainly don't want anyone getting ahold of any of it...) -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:44, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: OkraŠdidn't they grind that stuff up in WWI and use it to lube airplane engines? Naaa that was castor beans ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst
Very good suggestion! So, did you escape the hospital or did they release you? ;-) Sincerely, Larry On 3/21/2014 10:48 PM, OK Don wrote: One of my early jobs was as an aide at the local State mental hospital. I learned a LOT there, but one of the most useful things was taught us in orientation: Never argue with the patients. It has served me well over the years and is one of the reasons I have not stepped into the mess so far. All of us would do well to remember that rule -- Never argue with the patients. On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: prefer to be addressed as king or the king or chowdah king but i am not opposed to your terms. however, when loren calls me out several times a day, it is obscene that i have no right of response. i suggest you treat this as a two way street or reveal yourself as simply another shallow bully looking to gain advantage On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:39 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Absolutely the last post I will make on this thread. Gary, We are informing you collectively and repeatedly that you are not as important as you think you are. Read and understand this message clearly. This is a repeat issue with you. We have visited it several times in your rather short tenure back in this group. There is no position for a token attention whore in this lifetime. I ask you to find a more professional and civil skill set. To date, you refuse. Please demonstrate, by your actions, your abilities to address and respect your fellow man with civil responses. On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: why would you ban me when these guys are the ones who can't stop talking about me? why would not ban loren, who seems to post about me several times a day? your hosting loren's rants about me is probably a civilly actionable offense. i extend extreme hospitality to you and your family. and now you come out with you are going to turn on me? On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: When I saw dr fatty Monday I told him to behave. Guess I am going to have to ban him again. You see, he can't keep quiet he can't ignore the people trying to get him going. And some people can't seem to just ignore Gary. It is a viscous circle. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Gary is whining about being a victim, again. Sorry man, but this is getting really old. Mike On Mar 21, 2014 11:26 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I'm not really sure what is going on here or who is calling who what but it needs to stop immediately. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2014, at 10:58 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Consider yourself bitch slapped for opening your mouth yet again about this tired issue. SHUT THE FUCK UP... forever. Stop your whining. Or.. go to the parking lot and practice falling down and bleeding.. your choice. No one listens to you. No one has a duty to listen to you. Get it. Stop it. Do not respond. You have been rebuked and put on ignore, yet again. On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 7:39 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: you aren't paying attention at all and just ramble on with the stupid. what point is there to try to explain it you once again? On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:36 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Gary, Somehow, you have developed the fantasy that you are the Muhammad Ali of Mouth.. you are not. Sell parts, Practice civility, and be Nice, or join what's his name, the thief, liar, and cheat in the long list of people that other people find unworthy to spend their life dealing with. Apparently, something in your genetic code requires you to abrade others. Fix yourself, or get professional help, but stop doing it here. The next post I want to see should have no caustic comments to anyone, from anyone. End it now, end it forever. I would not tolerate is with one of my employees, one of my family, or even a casual acquaintance. If I heard ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com*
Re: [MBZ] Wind Power
Excellent point Scott, Wind power as a small scale, personal use application, certainly has strong points. On a commercial scale to supply power for say NYC... not currently practical, if ever. My units at the ranch likely make enough power to run the refrig and a ham radio, some LED lights, so in survival mode, worth keeping. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: One niche where wind power does make sense is cruising sailboats, particularly at anchor or on a mooring. In that case the only alternatives for battery charging are solar cells (low output) or running the engine (even more noisy). At anchor, wind (unobstructed by land features) is frequently available and the occupants (being cruisers) can adjust their schedules to accommodate power availability. I sold my Cape Dory when I moved inland to the NC Piedmont in 2005. Scott -Original Message- From: G Mann Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 1:28 PM Wind power, developed on a commercial scale, has serious economic flaws. ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
Dan, as nearly everyone in dieseldom knows, I had two black cats (now one) to whose judgment as to the tastiness of cat food I defer. Polydamas eats their wet food 2x daily and relishes every morsel. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: I heard they dumped it into a swamp in LOOsiana. That’s where they filmed all those swamp monster movies from the ‘50s. On Mar 23, 2014, at 1:54 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: What did they do with the... Umm... Residue? (It's kinda noxious stuff, and needs special handling; you certainly don't want anyone getting ahold of any of it...) -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:44, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: OkraŠdidn't they grind that stuff up in WWI and use it to lube airplane engines? Naaa that was castor beans ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] I'm back in Miami
There has also been a problem with crime on board some ships - being foreign flagged and with foreign nationals involved it makes finding guilty parties difficult. Also, the Captain is ultimately in charge of all legal investigations making things difficult - especially in major crimes. Sincerely, Larry On 3/22/2014 12:37 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Ps, think I would do royal carribean or Norwegian next time, probably more mature crowd. One thing I wonder is about these people who work on these ship. They are from all over the world and since the ships are not registered in the us they probably pay them about 1-2 bucks per hour, which I guess for the 3rd world countries they come from that is probably good. So I figured they probably never get home to see their families. As far as the gratuity added automatically to the bill, cruise line says it goes to cabin Stewarts, workers etc but I bet most just pads the company profits. We complained and they took it off. We tipped cash directly to the guy who took care of our cabin all week. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Carnival? We did Royal Caribbean last year and Norwegian in 2011. The trick with shore excursions is to not book them with the cruise line. If its an activity like cave tubing in Belize you can book with another outfitter, have a better experience and spend less money. For a beach excursion you book at the edge of the cruise port. They'll haggle and you can find a better spot for way less money. Cozumel is rocky, we went to the dolphinarium, and yeah it was expensive but it was worth it. -Curt Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:11:30 -0400 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm back in Miami Message-ID: assp.515729e09f.092aa2fd-4b87-4e29-b024-227fbb640...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii I do not really drink much myself but they were more like $10-14 for drinks on this ship. Plus they Charge you 15% gratuity on any purchase, and they charge $11 per day per person automatically for gratuity. Then the kids activity past 10 pm cost money. When we got off in Mexico it cost me close to $300 for a simple beach excursion. I don't know if all beaches in Cozumel are the same or just this one but it was not a sandy beach like I wanted, it was one of those rocky beaches, mainly for snorkeling. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst
Curmudgeon is a grump. I am anything but that. I can be a PIA - take it from the source. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Very good suggestion! So, did you escape the hospital or did they release you? ;-) Sincerely, Larry On 3/21/2014 10:48 PM, OK Don wrote: One of my early jobs was as an aide at the local State mental hospital. I learned a LOT there, but one of the most useful things was taught us in orientation: Never argue with the patients. It has served me well over the years and is one of the reasons I have not stepped into the mess so far. All of us would do well to remember that rule -- Never argue with the patients. On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: prefer to be addressed as king or the king or chowdah king but i am not opposed to your terms. however, when loren calls me out several times a day, it is obscene that i have no right of response. i suggest you treat this as a two way street or reveal yourself as simply another shallow bully looking to gain advantage On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:39 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Absolutely the last post I will make on this thread. Gary, We are informing you collectively and repeatedly that you are not as important as you think you are. Read and understand this message clearly. This is a repeat issue with you. We have visited it several times in your rather short tenure back in this group. There is no position for a token attention whore in this lifetime. I ask you to find a more professional and civil skill set. To date, you refuse. Please demonstrate, by your actions, your abilities to address and respect your fellow man with civil responses. On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: why would you ban me when these guys are the ones who can't stop talking about me? why would not ban loren, who seems to post about me several times a day? your hosting loren's rants about me is probably a civilly actionable offense. i extend extreme hospitality to you and your family. and now you come out with you are going to turn on me? On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: When I saw dr fatty Monday I told him to behave. Guess I am going to have to ban him again. You see, he can't keep quiet he can't ignore the people trying to get him going. And some people can't seem to just ignore Gary. It is a viscous circle. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Gary is whining about being a victim, again. Sorry man, but this is getting really old. Mike On Mar 21, 2014 11:26 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I'm not really sure what is going on here or who is calling who what but it needs to stop immediately. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2014, at 10:58 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Consider yourself bitch slapped for opening your mouth yet again about this tired issue. SHUT THE FUCK UP... forever. Stop your whining. Or.. go to the parking lot and practice falling down and bleeding.. your choice. No one listens to you. No one has a duty to listen to you. Get it. Stop it. Do not respond. You have been rebuked and put on ignore, yet again. On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 7:39 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: you aren't paying attention at all and just ramble on with the stupid. what point is there to try to explain it you once again? On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:36 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Gary, Somehow, you have developed the fantasy that you are the Muhammad Ali of Mouth.. you are not. Sell parts, Practice civility, and be Nice, or join what's his name, the thief, liar, and cheat in the long list of people that other people find unworthy to spend their life dealing with. Apparently, something in your genetic code requires you to abrade others. Fix yourself, or get professional help, but stop doing it here. The next post I want to see should have no caustic comments to anyone, from anyone. End it now, end it forever. I would not tolerate is with one of my employees, one of my family, or even a casual acquaintance. If I heard ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list
Re: [MBZ] Adobe MS (OT)
There are places that will retrieve data from dead HDs - for a price (of course). It all depends on the value you place on the time required to recreate the lost work ... Sincerely, Larry On 3/22/2014 10:33 AM, Peter Frederick wrote: DO NOT USE iPHOTO under any circumstances. You can just copy the files to a folder and use whatever software you like to adjust and print. Once in iPhoto, Apple sort of takes control of your images and they are difficult or impossible to export. I'm stuck making a trip out to my sister's someday and re-doing the scanning of family photographs (going back to at least 1864) because she scanned them into iPhoto and now cannot retrieve them. Huge pain. Back them up to some sort of permanent storage as well, you never know when a hard drive it going to crash. Found that out last month when my laptop started growling, drive died before I got everything copied. I get to do a year's worth of photo corrections again. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] My new hot dip tank
Andrew Strasfogel wrote: What is this for again? Heating a cylinder head to 100C so he can pressure test it for leaks. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
The duramax is Isuzu Sent from my iPhone On Mar 23, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: there was a chevy diesel with some isuzu engine . i have always desired one On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I believe there was even a Chevette diesel for a brief period. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Boring? Boring?? There's nothing boring about 40 to 50 mpg in a car with an outstanding repair record. And if you're a DIYer, working on an older Prius would be far less boring than working on these diesels that we were tired of working on long ago. Of course, you young peoples attitude is understandable since you haven't been driving and fixing diesels for 46 years like some of us have. Gerry Nothing new with 40 to 50 MPG. That was 30+ years ago on 35 to 100 year old technology. Escort Diesel got 50mpg. Wabbit Diesel got 45-50. Quantum got 45 mpg fully loaded going 70 MPH. I never checked it for absolute max, but it probably could hit 50 too. Don't need no stinking battery boat to get 50 MPG. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Gary Hurst re: price
Gary, Since the dear/departed Rusty managed to screw up so many of my orders (guess who got the blame for that?), I had gotten in the habit of sending a pix of whatever it is that I'm after . . . especially when I don't know the official name for the item. I sent you a request for a price on a power steering pressure hose for my '85 300TD but, since you may have deleted my note to you as it had a pix attachment, I'm sending this request via the list. Thanx. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
That was caster beans for castor oil. AFAIK, it's still used in model airplane engine fuel. It was when I was a kid anyway. We ordered a gallon from the pharmacist , he commented that it would be enough to move congress. My brothers and I burned a lot of model airplane fuel then, mixed it ourselves - ethanol and castor oil. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: Okra...didn't they grind that stuff up in WWI and use it to lube airplane engines? On Mar 23, 2014, at 8:27 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
I've read several historical accounts of WW1 pilots who flew and fought in the open cockpit, castor oil lubricated airplanes of the era. Apparently constant and extreme bowl movements were part of the price you paid to be brave enough to fly the airplanes. Several accounts are written about how much weight they lost and how truly sick they became, between the poor sanitation of the day, and the constant breathing of castor oil. Brave takes a new meaning. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:22 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: That was caster beans for castor oil. AFAIK, it's still used in model airplane engine fuel. It was when I was a kid anyway. We ordered a gallon from the pharmacist , he commented that it would be enough to move congress. My brothers and I burned a lot of model airplane fuel then, mixed it ourselves - ethanol and castor oil. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: Okra...didn't they grind that stuff up in WWI and use it to lube airplane engines? On Mar 23, 2014, at 8:27 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
The cars today are heavier as result of the efforts to make them less fatal in crashes. Hence they burn more fuel to travel the same distance at the same rate. To get them back up to 40 - 50 mpg is rather remarkable. The 1977 Diesel Rabbit weighed 1963 lb. and was rated at 40 mpg on the highway. My 2012 Passat weighs 3360 lbs and gets at least 45 mpg on the highway with the AC running. Comparing the cars of 30 years ago to today's is like comparing apples to oranges. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Nothing new with 40 to 50 MPG. That was 30+ years ago on 35 to 100 year old technology. Escort Diesel got 50mpg. Wabbit Diesel got 45-50. Quantum got 45 mpg fully loaded going 70 MPH. I never checked it for absolute max, but it probably could hit 50 too. Don't need no stinking battery boat to get 50 MPG. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Cats driving
I know. I'm just joshin' you. I have a cat who gets Blue Buffalo dry food, but does get the occasional treat. She likes flapjacks and waffles (no syrup.) I made waffles this morning, so she got her little square (torn into kitty-sized edible pieces, of course.) Did you know that cats don't have the amino acids that allow the gene to form the protein that allows the taste of sweet things? Of course, they can taste ATP, which we can't. It's a signal for meat. Meow Dan On Mar 23, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Dan, as nearly everyone in dieseldom knows, I had two black cats (now one) to whose judgment as to the tastiness of cat food I defer. Polydamas eats their wet food 2x daily and relishes every morsel. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
Oklahoma is becoming littered with the things, at least the western half of the State. We regularly see turbine blades heading north on I-35, probably from the port at Houston, but I'm just guessing there. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Northwestern Indiana has a huge number of wind turbines, most of which are just north of Lafayette and follow I-65 north to the Tri State area. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] My new hot dip tank
Cool! let us know how it works. Water tight! -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
OK Don wrote: The 1977 Diesel Rabbit weighed 1963 lb. and was rated at 40 mpg on the highway. My 2012 Passat weighs 3360 lbs and gets at least 45 mpg on the highway with the AC running. Comparing the cars of 30 years ago to today's is like comparing apples to oranges. Earliest Fuel Economy Guide I've got on my hard drive is 1978, Rabbit diesel was rated 40 city, 53 hwy, 45 combined. It might be 40 hwy on the post 2008 ratings scale. It was quite a feat to actually attain EPA Hwy MPG on real roads in the 1970s (oh, and the highway speed limits were 55mph in 1978). Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
My rating came from a Road Track test - real world results - probably driven hard and faster than 55 mph. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: OK Don wrote: The 1977 Diesel Rabbit weighed 1963 lb. and was rated at 40 mpg on the highway. My 2012 Passat weighs 3360 lbs and gets at least 45 mpg on the highway with the AC running. Comparing the cars of 30 years ago to today's is like comparing apples to oranges. Earliest Fuel Economy Guide I've got on my hard drive is 1978, Rabbit diesel was rated 40 city, 53 hwy, 45 combined. It might be 40 hwy on the post 2008 ratings scale. It was quite a feat to actually attain EPA Hwy MPG on real roads in the 1970s (oh, and the highway speed limits were 55mph in 1978). Mitch. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] 240D Alert!
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1952578-1983-240d-sale-grandpas-car-orig.html#post8199034 Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Way OT: Furniture restoration questions
I picked up a stunning Danish mid century rosewood coffee table for a good price but the top is marred in places with a cloudy discoloration, probably a result of setting down wet objects on the surface (which has a dark varnished finish). Murphy's oil soap and cleaner didn't do anything for these spots, but a friend recommended I try vaseline with a vinegar chaser. Surprisingly, this did some good, but there are still cloudy areas (also some scratches, but those are near the corner and not objectionable). On the under side of the table (unfinished) the PO's kids had a field day(s) writing with crayons and/or colored ball point pen ink. How do I remove these? IIRC someone on this list is experienced in furniture restoration (Rich?). Advice always appreciated. TIA, Andrew 1983 300TD 1985 300TD Both have zebrano consoles that needs a facelift ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Furniture restoration questions
You need to find out what the finish is first. If it's truly varnish, there are any number of ways to get the milky discoloration out. For the bottom the Magic Eraser stuff works well on things like this, and if that doesn't remove it, try WD-40 on a cloth (don't spray it directly on the wood!) and follow it up with some baking soda rubbed into the wood with a cloth. Dan On Mar 23, 2014, at 4:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I picked up a stunning Danish mid century rosewood coffee table for a good price but the top is marred in places with a cloudy discoloration, probably a result of setting down wet objects on the surface (which has a dark varnished finish). Murphy's oil soap and cleaner didn't do anything for these spots, but a friend recommended I try vaseline with a vinegar chaser. Surprisingly, this did some good, but there are still cloudy areas (also some scratches, but those are near the corner and not objectionable). On the under side of the table (unfinished) the PO's kids had a field day(s) writing with crayons and/or colored ball point pen ink. How do I remove these? IIRC someone on this list is experienced in furniture restoration (Rich?). Advice always appreciated. TIA, Andrew 1983 300TD 1985 300TD Both have zebrano consoles that needs a facelift ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Cats driving
http://i62.tinypic.com/nw0njo.jpg Cats? Bet your cat can't do this? ;)) On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I know. I'm just joshin' you. I have a cat who gets Blue Buffalo dry food, but does get the occasional treat. She likes flapjacks and waffles (no syrup.) I made waffles this morning, so she got her little square (torn into kitty-sized edible pieces, of course.) Did you know that cats don't have the amino acids that allow the gene to form the protein that allows the taste of sweet things? Of course, they can taste ATP, which we can't. It's a signal for meat. Meow Dan On Mar 23, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Dan, as nearly everyone in dieseldom knows, I had two black cats (now one) to whose judgment as to the tastiness of cat food I defer. Polydamas eats their wet food 2x daily and relishes every morsel. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Wind Power
So wayy back when I and myu colleagues did the first insurance analysis for commercial wind turbines. There was a Boeing machine and a Hamilton Standard machine (I can't remember if that was their own, but they built the blades for it). (this was the one we were assessing.) These were like 5MW machines and they were located near Medicine Bow, Wyoming, out in the middle of nowhere but the wind blew well there. Went there in like March or so, it was cold as hell and the wind was blowing big. The nacelle sat 250ft high, blades were 250ft diameter so like 125 each. Spinner they mounted to was about 8ft diameter, a very large single casting. Blades could be feathered and were hollow to crawl out inside should inspection and repairs be required. The nacelle was maybe 12'W x 24'L x 10 high and contained the gearbox and generator and power handling/transfer equipment. There was a hatch on top you could climb out to the top, which I did (cold, windy maybe 25kt at that time...). When they first turned the machine on and started to spin it up, it ran on up and was putting out 5MW no problem. Then someone outside the control room noticed the blades were bending FORWARD as was the tower. STOPSTOPSTOP! Then they get a call from the BPA asking why the site was suddenly drawing 5MW off their grid, whatthehell was going on? Turns out there were 2 errors -- the wiring on the machine was reversed and the power meter had also been reversed. So while the operators thought it was putting out 5MW it was really drawing 5MW and running as a giant fan. OOPS. THey got that fixed and it went to do whatever it did. Toured the blade production facility which was in CT. Hamilton Standard had built what was pretty much a giant lathe with a mandrel of the blade's shape onto which was wound miles and miles of fiberglass string impregnated with the epoxy. The spool just went back and forth winding the stuff onto the mandrel. It was very messy but worked well. Then they would pull the blade off the mandrel and ship them out to WY or wherever. The tax credit deal expired at some point and the wind machine bidness expired with it, not sure whatever happened to the machine or the production facility. I vaguely recall they built a few of them but don't remember the details. Hamilton Standard never had a propeller fail in service due to manufacturing defects, over decades of manufacturing. They were very proud of that. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Furniture restoration questions
What Dan said. I don't do restoration. I ha e heard spreading mayonnaise on the white areas, which I guess is the oil in it doing something. No telling what the finish is, varnish or oil or shellac or something else. Worse comes, do some stripping then do an oil or varnish finish (I lay down several very thin coats, varnish + thinner, with a rolled up cotton rag). --R On 3/23/14 5:00 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: You need to find out what the finish is first. If it's truly varnish, there are any number of ways to get the milky discoloration out. For the bottom the Magic Eraser stuff works well on things like this, and if that doesn't remove it, try WD-40 on a cloth (don't spray it directly on the wood!) and follow it up with some baking soda rubbed into the wood with a cloth. Dan On Mar 23, 2014, at 4:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I picked up a stunning Danish mid century rosewood coffee table for a good price but the top is marred in places with a cloudy discoloration, probably a result of setting down wet objects on the surface (which has a dark varnished finish). Murphy's oil soap and cleaner didn't do anything for these spots, but a friend recommended I try vaseline with a vinegar chaser. Surprisingly, this did some good, but there are still cloudy areas (also some scratches, but those are near the corner and not objectionable). On the under side of the table (unfinished) the PO's kids had a field day(s) writing with crayons and/or colored ball point pen ink. How do I remove these? IIRC someone on this list is experienced in furniture restoration (Rich?). Advice always appreciated. TIA, Andrew 1983 300TD 1985 300TD Both have zebrano consoles that needs a facelift ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
I suspect, given the number of digests I've yet to digest I'm late to the party but: Doesn't the increase in house value give you incentive? I suspect its not equal to what you'd pay for the panels but they're kind of like trees, you plant trees for the next generation, not for yourself. Anyway the price of solar panels has plummeted in the last few years. 10 years ago you'd pay $400 for a 100watt panel, today you'll pay about $150. We're looking at putting some solar on the cabin in Maine. Mostly for one light and the range hood. Maybe someday enough to run a small, efficient fridge. The fear, of course, its that somebody will bring in a television... -Curt Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 12:32:41 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on Message-ID: 9dadbe28-137d-40c0-b0c8-08c476857...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Northwestern Indiana has a huge number of wind turbines, most of which are just north of Lafayette and follow I-65 north to the Tri State area. I would love to have solar here, as it makes a lot of sense. The big problem is the up front costs, and little is being done to help with that. Not only that, but with a lengthy payback period, if I take out a second mortgage to pay for it, for example, I lose all advantages if I sell the house before everything is depreciated out. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
I think you're confusing big oil profit and gas station profit which are not the same thing as gas stations are mostly independently owned. Forbes puts big oil's margin at around 6% which is pretty rotten but a good sight better than the actual retailers. -Curt Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 14:21:18 -0400 From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on Message-ID: 532f261e.7020...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed people are becoming pretty we informed about the big Oil profit being around 3%. Lower than virtually all other industries. The people really raking the money via gas sales is the government - state and Federal! Sincerely, Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Wind Power
Every year it makes a little more sense. The price of oil hasn't gone down dramatically in the last decade, not likely to go that way with the excitement in Ukraine. -Curt Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 11:28:52 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wind Power Message-ID: CANTuLYiNj_YFFxd82Bxx8q37vcN7NCxrs=smicuzeabeabu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Excellent point Scott, Wind power as a small scale, personal use application, certainly has strong points. On a commercial scale to supply power for say NYC... not currently practical, if ever. My units at the ranch likely make enough power to run the refrig and a ham radio, some LED lights, so in survival mode, worth keeping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
