Re: [MBZ] Chowdah Q
Good story; close to pro literary. Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Back when there was a dive place called the No Name that was down on the fish pier where the boats came in, tied up right outside the back door of the place. It was just a door in the building, no sign or anything, hence No Name. It was run by a bunch of crazy Greeks, usually a line out the door and down the pier. My mom and grandmother came to visit me once so I took them down there for lunch, was not too busy. You could bring your own beer and wine and such, but you had to watch they wouldn't take it and drink it. My grandmother asked if they had something or other that was on the menu, the waiter turns around and walks out the back door to where a boat was unloading and comes back with a fish and asked her if that one was OK. At that point she just sorta nodded, the waiter yells at one of the cooks in Greek, he turns around and the waiter tosses the fish to him, tells my grandmother it will be ready in a few minutes. She was pretty much catatonic at that point. So my mom and grandmother are sitting there eating, we ordered whatever, I had scallops I think. There were two people at the table next to us, they were ordering and one of them asked How are the scallops? The waiter grabs her fork, reaches over and stabs one off my plate, and gives it to her and says, Try it. My mom and grandmother just about died, and I was like, this is just how it is. The waiter dropped a little plate of something on the table after, saying Here eat this. I went down there with some girl once, took a big bottle of cheap wine, Gallo something that was in like a half gallon bottle. So we are sitting there, drinking wine waiting for our orders, the waiter walks over with a glass and pours one for himself, walks away. OK. Then he comes over a little while later with 2 glasses, refills his and fills another one and gives it to someone at another table. It was classic. When we left we gave him the rest of the bottle, the cooks were all over it like crazy. It was best to sit by the counter where the cooks were, you could sorta engage with them, most spoke only Greek, but they would give you small plates of stuff they were cooking. I went with a buddy once for lunch, it was closed, which was unusual. So we walked to the back on the water side of the pier where the boats were, and the door was open, a few people were in there so we went in and sat down. My buddy sorta knew the owner or manager or whatever as he had been going there a long time. He asked what was going on, the guy says Immigration had come that morning and rounded up all his kitchen guys to deport them. He said they would be back in a few days no matter what, so for now they just had the back door open and his cousin or something was doing the cooking. Legal was in an old ratty building in Inman Sq, the original caught fire and burned down. There was a newer one in Cambridge, when my wife was like 11months preggers with our daughter she was going crazy so on a Saturday night we went there for supper. I ordered the spicy calamari, which was awesome, we both had some. Next morning about 4:30 the baby announces herself, and off to the hospital we go. We always tell her it was Legal's spicy calamari that did it. That one and the one downtown were OK, all the others were just sorta franchise kind of places. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege
I don't see any direct suggestion in my statement that government should own and run nuclear power plants. I am saying that there should be...continuous critical oversight...of whichever organization is running the plant. Private Industry has a poor history of building, maintaining, and running nuclear power plants in the U.S. I have no idea what the solution is, but I do think there should be far more oversight considering the near disasters we have had so far. Gerrywho lives about 10 miles from what is left of the Crystal River Nuclear Power Plant which was destroyed by corporate management focused primarily on profit; all because there was not critical oversight. .. On 8/13/2014 6:22 AM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote: Private industry?   Surely you aren't saying government run industry doesn't need the same or even greater oversight? Sorry, but I am not very trusting of government organizations LarryT On 8/12/2014 7:24 PM, Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: Exactly, and continuous critical oversight so long as private industry is owning and running the plants. Here's an example of what can happen when a power companies bottom line overrules all else: http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/energy/progress-energy-warned-itself-not-to-self-manage-crystal-river-nuclear/1205579 Gerry On 8/12/2014 6:11 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: No Randy, more like the French model, using a proven standardized design capable of efficiently and safely providing decades of power. If we also followed their example and re-processed our fuel rods, the radioactive waste left after 20 years of generating power for a family of four would fit in a coke can. Here's the best part: no CO2!!! Compared to coal, which not only releases tons of CO2 into the air, but also TONS of radioactive uranium and thorium, nuclear power is the only viable answer for those truly concerned about the environment. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Aug 12, 2014 4:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 12/08/2014 3:30 PM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote: I'd like to see nuclear construction get started again LarryT Yeah, with some cut price offshore contractors and maybe that cement from China that they used in that bridge on the west coast. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege
Crystal River is one of the poster children of the commercial nuke industry for mismanagement on the part of the operator, in my opinion. Because profit was a part of the equation, there was an incentive to cut corners, which they did. Now the current operator is faced with decommissioning and is attempting to recoup their costs on the backs of consumers. Wrong! Duke Power is pretty evil from a corporate standpoint as far as I'm concerned. Florida Power, the previous owner who pooched the attempted repairs on the place is just as bad, I think. Where's Bob in this conversation? Dan who's in-laws used to live within sight of Crystal River Sent from my iPad On Aug 14, 2014, at 4:05 AM, Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I don't see any direct suggestion in my statement that government should own and run nuclear power plants. I am saying that there should be...continuous critical oversight...of whichever organization is running the plant. Private Industry has a poor history of building, maintaining, and running nuclear power plants in the U.S. I have no idea what the solution is, but I do think there should be far more oversight considering the near disasters we have had so far. Gerrywho lives about 10 miles from what is left of the Crystal River Nuclear Power Plant which was destroyed by corporate management focused primarily on profit; all because there was not critical oversight. .. On 8/13/2014 6:22 AM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote: Private industry?   Surely you aren't saying government run industry doesn't need the same or even greater oversight? Sorry, but I am not very trusting of government organizations LarryT On 8/12/2014 7:24 PM, Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: Exactly, and continuous critical oversight so long as private industry is owning and running the plants. Here's an example of what can happen when a power companies bottom line overrules all else: http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/energy/progress-energy-warned-itself-not-to-self-manage-crystal-river-nuclear/1205579 Gerry On 8/12/2014 6:11 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: No Randy, more like the French model, using a proven standardized design capable of efficiently and safely providing decades of power. If we also followed their example and re-processed our fuel rods, the radioactive waste left after 20 years of generating power for a family of four would fit in a coke can. Here's the best part: no CO2!!! Compared to coal, which not only releases tons of CO2 into the air, but also TONS of radioactive uranium and thorium, nuclear power is the only viable answer for those truly concerned about the environment. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Aug 12, 2014 4:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 12/08/2014 3:30 PM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote: I'd lik ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Review for the 3.5
Hendrik, You need on of those HSV Maloo things for your business. Wicked fast and room to stow your gear, too! Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 13, 2014, at 10:01 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/mercedes-benz-280se-35-road-test-review Typical yanks, if it ain't 832 cubic inches and getting half a mile to the gallon, we ain't interested. Hendrik who don't have a 3.5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT - USAF SAC tale - The Hat Colonel
Yep, another silly SAC tale already. THE HAT COLONEL By Wilton Strickland During all of my career (22 years active) in the Air Force, being outside a building or not on the flightline wearing a uniform but not wearing a hat was to be out of uniform. In other words, if you were wearing a uniform, you had to wear a hat, except inside a building or on the flightline, where aircraft are maintained, engines are running, airplanes taxiing, etc. Because of the danger of a hat being sucked into an engine, it is OK to be hatless on the flightline. Outside the B-52 flight operations building at U-Tapao, Thailand, was a small building where air crewmen purchased snacks, hot-dogs, hamburgers, soft drinks, etc., before getting on a bus to go out to the airplanes to fly bombing missions to Vietnam. There was usually a short period of leisure time (5 to 15 minutes) between completing pre-mission briefings and going out to the planes. Crewmen would mill around the small building, the Snack Shack or Hooch, and under the thatch-covered shelter nearby - some sitting at picnic tables, joking, eating snacks, sipping soft drinks or milk shakes, some smoking, some quiet with their private thoughts. We were usually no more than about 18 to 20 (3 crews) at a time at the Hooch. We were all in our flight suits, of course, and some were almost always hatless, the flight cap folded flat and in one of the flight suit pockets - usually a pocket down low at the side of a leg. Occasionally a colonel, obviously with nothing important to do, would come out to the Hooch and take names of crewmen not wearing hats. I never knew what he did with the names. Now, all the B-52 crewmen I have known - there were many during my 13 years in the BUFF - were highly dedicated, highly professional, highly-motivated, well-educated and well-trained men - not a slouch among them - some of the nation's best and brightest. Ages ranged from about 25 to about 45; about 90% were officers in grades from 1Lt through LtCol. Whether we wore the flight cap, or not, at the Hooch had nothing to do with our dedication to duty, our professionalism, our character, our military bearing, how well we did our jobs, etc. Every night during the December, 1972, Linebacker II, B-52 bombing campaign into the Hanoi area of N. Vietnam that led to ending the war, there may have been as many as 75 or more crewmen at a time milling around the parking lot and Hooch area waiting a few minutes between pre-mission briefings and going out to their aircraft. Hat Colonel came out every night taking names of men not wearing hats. We were all going off to war in a few minutes; some have never returned. There was always a flock of large ducks (probably about 15) also milling around the Hooch begging for handouts. Just before getting on the crew bus the night of Dec. 29, (as it turned out, the last night of the BUFF missions to Hanoi), and soon after Hat Colonel had paid us his nightly visit, I suddenly decided to have some fun with the ducks and Hat Colonel. I asked someone to hold the door to the operations building open; I enlisted additional help, and several of us rounded up the ducks and herded them through the door. The last I saw of the ducks, they were waddling down the hall into and past Hat Colonel's office doing their business. I left Thailand the following night and never saw Hat Colonel nor the ducks again. I've wished for more than 40 years, now, that I could have seen Hat Colonel trying to get the ducks and their business out of his office. Wilton, LtCol, USAF, (Ret) 13 years and 5000 hours in B-52's ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Review for the 3.5
The 4 speed automatic transmission in my 1969 (VIN #47) 280SE 3.5 had a slight drip that I monitored but left alone, because it shifted flawlessly for the 18 yeqars I owned it (including 2 years in the restoration shop). Once sorted out, the FI system was brick like in its nearly boringly consistent performance and reliability. On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hendrik, You need on of those HSV Maloo things for your business. Wicked fast and room to stow your gear, too! Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 13, 2014, at 10:01 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/mercedes-benz-280se-35-road-test-review Typical yanks, if it ain't 832 cubic inches and getting half a mile to the gallon, we ain't interested. Hendrik who don't have a 3.5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Chowdah Q
It's probably yuppified by now and charges $15 for a cup of chowdah. On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:55 AM, Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Good story; close to pro literary. Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Back when there was a dive place called the No Name that was down on the fish pier where the boats came in, tied up right outside the back door of the place. It was just a door in the building, no sign or anything, hence No Name. It was run by a bunch of crazy Greeks, usually a line out the door and down the pier. My mom and grandmother came to visit me once so I took them down there for lunch, was not too busy. You could bring your own beer and wine and such, but you had to watch they wouldn't take it and drink it. My grandmother asked if they had something or other that was on the menu, the waiter turns around and walks out the back door to where a boat was unloading and comes back with a fish and asked her if that one was OK. At that point she just sorta nodded, the waiter yells at one of the cooks in Greek, he turns around and the waiter tosses the fish to him, tells my grandmother it will be ready in a few minutes. She was pretty much catatonic at that point. So my mom and grandmother are sitting there eating, we ordered whatever, I had scallops I think. There were two people at the table next to us, they were ordering and one of them asked How are the scallops? The waiter grabs her fork, reaches over and stabs one off my plate, and gives it to her and says, Try it. My mom and grandmother just about died, and I was like, this is just how it is. The waiter dropped a little plate of something on the table after, saying Here eat this. I went down there with some girl once, took a big bottle of cheap wine, Gallo something that was in like a half gallon bottle. So we are sitting there, drinking wine waiting for our orders, the waiter walks over with a glass and pours one for himself, walks away. OK. Then he comes over a little while later with 2 glasses, refills his and fills another one and gives it to someone at another table. It was classic. When we left we gave him the rest of the bottle, the cooks were all over it like crazy. It was best to sit by the counter where the cooks were, you could sorta engage with them, most spoke only Greek, but they would give you small plates of stuff they were cooking. I went with a buddy once for lunch, it was closed, which was unusual. So we walked to the back on the water side of the pier where the boats were, and the door was open, a few people were in there so we went in and sat down. My buddy sorta knew the owner or manager or whatever as he had been going there a long time. He asked what was going on, the guy says Immigration had come that morning and rounded up all his kitchen guys to deport them. He said they would be back in a few days no matter what, so for now they just had the back door open and his cousin or something was doing the cooking. Legal was in an old ratty building in Inman Sq, the original caught fire and burned down. There was a newer one in Cambridge, when my wife was like 11months preggers with our daughter she was going crazy so on a Saturday night we went there for supper. I ordered the spicy calamari, which was awesome, we both had some. Next morning about 4:30 the baby announces herself, and off to the hospital we go. We always tell her it was Legal's spicy calamari that did it. That one and the one downtown were OK, all the others were just sorta franchise kind of places. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
How much power is required to recharge the Leaf? I wonder if enough photocells could be put into the windows to recharge enough to get the vehicle home and not have to call for a tow. Might be expensive and cumbersome and most people would not want to put up with that. Randy On 13/08/2014 7:18 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes wrote: According to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Leaf stop go really eats into the range, probably to do with using climate control and the physics of getting a stationary object moving. Not sure if the trailer idea would be suitable for everyone, some people are not comfortable towing a trailer, however the concept is good insofar that if you build a proper camping trailer with fridge and 240v power and hook it up to a EV 4x4. Yes the lack of oil threads will be a problem but would they not still use grease in some bearings, M1 grease? Perhaps we'll have to have battery threads? Hendrik who is controlled with electricity On 14/08/14 05:00, Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: That might give her the extra charge she would need to get home. IIRC one of their problems was that Nissan advertised a range of 100 miles, but under normal conditions it only gets 70 miles. That made it close, but they could still make the round trip in bus lanes. Gerry On 8/13/2014 12:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Depending on how much extra capacity she needs a small generator might make sense. I've got a 1200w 2 stroke generator that will run 8 hours at 50% load with 1 gallon of gas. It wouldn't make a huge difference but if she only needed a little more... Sounds like her commute was iffy for the car and they're running the AC hard. Stop and go traffic shouldn't hurt the range of an EV anywhere near what it does to a gas car. -Curt ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
OK if you work the day shift. Those things can be charged with a 110V outlet though it takes a lot longer, but still, for 8-10 hours should be enough to add some miles of range? --R (don't no nuffin bout no electrical car mosheenerries) On 8/14/14 11:16 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: How much power is required to recharge the Leaf? I wonder if enough photocells could be put into the windows to recharge enough to get the vehicle home and not have to call for a tow. Might be expensive and cumbersome and most people would not want to put up with that. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: How much power is required to recharge the Leaf? 12Ax120Vx20Hours if it's dead and you're using the 'trickle charger'. 3.3kWx8hours at 240v. I wonder if enough photocells could be put into the windows to recharge enough to get the vehicle home and not have to call for a tow. Might be expensive and cumbersome and most people would not want to put up with that. One rated kW of solar cells might put out 3 kWh through the workday, which should add 10-20 miles. The problem is, 200w panels are big, and there would be five of them. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
I do not recall the name of the run, but there is or at least was, a sort of a race between cars built by various universities and colleges. I went to one of their stops a few years back and looked at some of the solar powered vehicles. My recollection is that there was a significant difference between some of the solar cells. Some were much more capable of producing power than others. These car bodies were covered from end to end with solar cells. The cars were of course, minimal and had very slippery shapes as well. Randy On 14/08/2014 10:53 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: How much power is required to recharge the Leaf? 12Ax120Vx20Hours if it's dead and you're using the 'trickle charger'. 3.3kWx8hours at 240v. I wonder if enough photocells could be put into the windows to recharge enough to get the vehicle home and not have to call for a tow. Might be expensive and cumbersome and most people would not want to put up with that. One rated kW of solar cells might put out 3 kWh through the workday, which should add 10-20 miles. The problem is, 200w panels are big, and there would be five of them. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
Randy Bennell wrote: I do not recall the name of the run, but there is or at least was, a sort of a race between cars built by various universities and colleges. I went to one of their stops a few years back and looked at some of the solar powered vehicles. My recollection is that there was a significant difference between some of the solar cells. Some were much more capable of producing power than others. These car bodies were covered from end to end with solar cells. The cars were of course, minimal and had very slippery shapes as well. http://americansolarchallenge.org/ For the solar challenge, watts per square foot are the major consideration, with weight per watt being a very distant 2nd. Any personal use, like topping up the family Leaf, is going to depend on standard commercial panels. Off-grid drivers have been known to charge the car in a solar panel carport, but obviously they aren't driving that car to a day job five days a week. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Chowdah Q
Definitely not yuppified. Same old no name. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It's probably yuppified by now and charges $15 for a cup of chowdah. On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:55 AM, Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Good story; close to pro literary. Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Back when there was a dive place called the No Name that was down on the fish pier where the boats came in, tied up right outside the back door of the place. It was just a door in the building, no sign or anything, hence No Name. It was run by a bunch of crazy Greeks, usually a line out the door and down the pier. My mom and grandmother came to visit me once so I took them down there for lunch, was not too busy. You could bring your own beer and wine and such, but you had to watch they wouldn't take it and drink it. My grandmother asked if they had something or other that was on the menu, the waiter turns around and walks out the back door to where a boat was unloading and comes back with a fish and asked her if that one was OK. At that point she just sorta nodded, the waiter yells at one of the cooks in Greek, he turns around and the waiter tosses the fish to him, tells my grandmother it will be ready in a few minutes. She was pretty much catatonic at that point. So my mom and grandmother are sitting there eating, we ordered whatever, I had scallops I think. There were two people at the table next to us, they were ordering and one of them asked How are the scallops? The waiter grabs her fork, reaches over and stabs one off my plate, and gives it to her and says, Try it. My mom and grandmother just about died, and I was like, this is just how it is. The waiter dropped a little plate of something on the table after, saying Here eat this. I went down there with some girl once, took a big bottle of cheap wine, Gallo something that was in like a half gallon bottle. So we are sitting there, drinking wine waiting for our orders, the waiter walks over with a glass and pours one for himself, walks away. OK. Then he comes over a little while later with 2 glasses, refills his and fills another one and gives it to someone at another table. It was classic. When we left we gave him the rest of the bottle, the cooks were all over it like crazy. It was best to sit by the counter where the cooks were, you could sorta engage with them, most spoke only Greek, but they would give you small plates of stuff they were cooking. I went with a buddy once for lunch, it was closed, which was unusual. So we walked to the back on the water side of the pier where the boats were, and the door was open, a few people were in there so we went in and sat down. My buddy sorta knew the owner or manager or whatever as he had been going there a long time. He asked what was going on, the guy says Immigration had come that morning and rounded up all his kitchen guys to deport them. He said they would be back in a few days no matter what, so for now they just had the back door open and his cousin or something was doing the cooking. Legal was in an old ratty building in Inman Sq, the original caught fire and burned down. There was a newer one in Cambridge, when my wife was like 11months preggers with our daughter she was going crazy so on a Saturday night we went there for supper. I ordered the spicy calamari, which was awesome, we both had some. Next morning about 4:30 the baby announces herself, and off to the hospital we go. We always tell her it was Legal's spicy calamari that did it. That one and the one downtown were OK, all the others were just sorta franchise kind of places. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are
Re: [MBZ] Chowdah Q
I need to get to Bahstun sometime again and check it out --R On 8/14/14 1:45 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Definitely not yuppified. Same old no name. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It's probably yuppified by now and charges $15 for a cup of chowdah. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Chowdah Q
Come to the Q then taste no name's the next day. On Aug 14, 2014 1:59 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I need to get to Bahstun sometime again and check it out --R On 8/14/14 1:45 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Definitely not yuppified. Same old no name. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It's probably yuppified by now and charges $15 for a cup of chowdah. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Chowdah Q
Remind me of the date again, please? Dimitri needs an excuse to invite me to dinnah. On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Come to the Q then taste no name's the next day. On Aug 14, 2014 1:59 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I need to get to Bahstun sometime again and check it out --R On 8/14/14 1:45 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Definitely not yuppified. Same old no name. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It's probably yuppified by now and charges $15 for a cup of chowdah. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
friend of the kid has one at his home. Thing runs on a 50 amp breaker to a 240 volt hook up. Same sort of hook up that a back yard pool or spa requires. I would guess at least 6-8kW clay On Aug 14, 2014, at 8:16 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: How much power is required to recharge the Leaf? I wonder if enough photocells could be put into the windows to recharge enough to get the vehicle home and not have to call for a tow. Might be expensive and cumbersome and most people would not want to put up with that. Randy On 13/08/2014 7:18 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes wrote: According to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Leaf stop go really eats into the range, probably to do with using climate control and the physics of getting a stationary object moving. Not sure if the trailer idea would be suitable for everyone, some people are not comfortable towing a trailer, however the concept is good insofar that if you build a proper camping trailer with fridge and 240v power and hook it up to a EV 4x4. Yes the lack of oil threads will be a problem but would they not still use grease in some bearings, M1 grease? Perhaps we'll have to have battery threads? Hendrik who is controlled with electricity On 14/08/14 05:00, Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: That might give her the extra charge she would need to get home. IIRC one of their problems was that Nissan advertised a range of 100 miles, but under normal conditions it only gets 70 miles. That made it close, but they could still make the round trip in bus lanes. Gerry On 8/13/2014 12:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Depending on how much extra capacity she needs a small generator might make sense. I've got a 1200w 2 stroke generator that will run 8 hours at 50% load with 1 gallon of gas. It wouldn't make a huge difference but if she only needed a little more... Sounds like her commute was iffy for the car and they're running the AC hard. Stop and go traffic shouldn't hurt the range of an EV anywhere near what it does to a gas car. -Curt ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fwd: Re: Chowdah Q
-- Forwarded message -- From: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com Date: Aug 14, 2014 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chowdah Q To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Cc: Saturday September 13. I will send out a flier in a couple days with Curt's new artwork for this year. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
Not even close. Its a 28KWH battery. A solar panel 1 meter by about 3/4 meter produces about 100WH so you'd need to cover a couple parking spaces to get enough power to be useful. -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic How much power is required to recharge the Leaf? I wonder if enough photocells could be put into the windows to recharge enough to get the vehicle home and not have to call for a tow. Might be expensive and cumbersome and most people would not want to put up with that. Randy On 13/08/2014 7:18 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes wrote: According to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Leaf stop go really eats into the range, probably to do with using climate control and the physics of getting a stationary object moving. Not sure if the trailer idea would be suitable for everyone, some people are not comfortable towing a trailer, however the concept is good insofar that if you build a proper camping trailer with fridge and 240v power and hook it up to a EV 4x4. Yes the lack of oil threads will be a problem but would they not still use grease in some bearings, M1 grease? Perhaps we'll have to have battery threads? Hendrik who is controlled with electricity On 14/08/14 05:00, Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: That might give her the extra charge she would need to get home. IIRC one of their problems was that Nissan advertised a range of 100 miles, but under normal conditions it only gets 70 miles. That made it close, but they could still make the round trip in bus lanes. Gerry On 8/13/2014 12:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Depending on how much extra capacity she needs a small generator might make sense. I've got a 1200w 2 stroke generator that will run 8 hours at 50% load with 1 gallon of gas. It wouldn't make a huge difference but if she only needed a little more... Sounds like her commute was iffy for the car and they're running the AC hard. Stop and go traffic shouldn't hurt the range of an EV anywhere near what it does to a gas car. -Curt ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
Aren't you the one that said you only commuted a mile or two a day? Most people only commute something like 10 miles round trip daily which makes the Leaf PERFECT for them. None of the downsides of a gas car, heat comes on faster (its electric) no worry about accelerated wear due to the engine never getting up to operating temp, reduced maintenance costs. How often do you really need to drive a long distance? Zip car would be a perfect compliment, especially for city dwellers. -Curt From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic Sounds like the Leaf is a bit useless unless one never goes more than just a few miles in a day. Not surprising. Electric cars are mostly wishful thinking so far. Don't think they would be very good here in the dead of winter either. Would need the old gas heater from a VW bug in order to keep warm and keep the windows clear. My good wife could likely make do with an electric vehicle in the summer. She rarely takes her car far from home. However, she has a heavy foot and would certainly make it work hard. Randy On 14/08/2014 3:14 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Not even close. Its a 28KWH battery. A solar panel 1 meter by about 3/4 meter produces about 100WH so you'd need to cover a couple parking spaces to get enough power to be useful. -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic How much power is required to recharge the Leaf? I wonder if enough photocells could be put into the windows to recharge enough to get the vehicle home and not have to call for a tow. Might be expensive and cumbersome and most people would not want to put up with that. Randy On 13/08/2014 7:18 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes wrote: According to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Leaf stop go really eats into the range, probably to do with using climate control and the physics of getting a stationary object moving. Not sure if the trailer idea would be suitable for everyone, some people are not comfortable towing a trailer, however the concept is good insofar that if you build a proper camping trailer with fridge and 240v power and hook it up to a EV 4x4. Yes the lack of oil threads will be a problem but would they not still use grease in some bearings, M1 grease? Perhaps we'll have to have battery threads? Hendrik who is controlled with electricity On 14/08/14 05:00, Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: That might give her the extra charge she would need to get home. IIRC one of their problems was that Nissan advertised a range of 100 miles, but under normal conditions it only gets 70 miles. That made it close, but they could still make the round trip in bus lanes. Gerry On 8/13/2014 12:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Depending on how much extra capacity she needs a small generator might make sense. I've got a 1200w 2 stroke generator that will run 8 hours at 50% load with 1 gallon of gas. It wouldn't make a huge difference but if she only needed a little more... Sounds like her commute was iffy for the car and they're running the AC hard. Stop and go traffic shouldn't hurt the range of an EV anywhere near what it does to a gas car. -Curt ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
On 14/08/2014 4:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Aren't you the one that said you only commuted a mile or two a day? Most people only commute something like 10 miles round trip daily which makes the Leaf PERFECT for them. None of the downsides of a gas car, heat comes on faster (its electric) no worry about accelerated wear due to the engine never getting up to operating temp, reduced maintenance costs. How often do you really need to drive a long distance? Zip car would be a perfect compliment, especially for city dwellers. -Curt Yes, we have been down this road before justifying my truck etc. The same old problem rears its ugly head. I do not have enough parking spots to park any more more vehicles and I don't think paying another $1K a year to nsure another vehicle plus additional upkeep really makes it worth it for me to have a vehicle purely for my short commute between office and home. It may be hard on it but I have been using my 300D most every day this summer for the short trips around town. If I am going to keep it, then it needs to be used too. The truck goes to the lake a couple of times each month over the summer and to North Dakota about once each month and apart from that, essentially sits waiting for winter when the car will be stored and the snow will justify 4 WD. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have some more vehicles but a Leaf would not be high on the list. I would like a newer Mercedes but don't need one. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT: Delta Unicycle
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Delta Unicycle
On 14/08/2014 4:20 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: For the aviators on this list: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=315265691983609 Wow Good thing that front landing gear strut was strong and the tires held up or it might have become messy. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Delta Unicycle
That's what happens when you stand on the brakes! -R On 8/14/14 5:57 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 14/08/2014 4:20 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: For the aviators on this list: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=315265691983609 Wow Good thing that front landing gear strut was strong and the tires held up or it might have become messy. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
The issue is still upfront cost, essentially the leaf costs twice as much as a comparable sized car, which are pretty efficient these days, especially with an oil burner under the bonnet. For instance http://volkswagenaustralia.com.au/PassengerVehicleVariants/vehicle/up AU$15k for the 5 door with a 1 litre 55kw. Yes the reduced maintenance thingy has to be factored in (I would assume the leaf or other EVs would still need to be serviced now and then) battery will need replacement at some stage (I think Nissan have a program whereby you can pay a 100 bucks a month to essentially pay off your next battery, which has a warranty of 5 years). I did read some figure on the break even point of an EV and it's not that exciting, something like 8 to 10 years I think or 200k miles(?). Which is a problem, insofar that if you do lots of miles per day then you will need to somehow charge it or tow that trailer to make it there and back. However the break even figures would vary, for instance in a place where fuel is expensive but electricity is cheapish, the break even point would be lower. Hendrik who would like a pink up! On 15/08/14 06:34, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Aren't you the one that said you only commuted a mile or two a day? Most people only commute something like 10 miles round trip daily which makes the Leaf PERFECT for them. None of the downsides of a gas car, heat comes on faster (its electric) no worry about accelerated wear due to the engine never getting up to operating temp, reduced maintenance costs. How often do you really need to drive a long distance? Zip car would be a perfect compliment, especially for city dwellers. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
And that's the thing with a lot of folks, you have an old car that is essentially paid off, is not too bad on fuel relatively speaking. I can't see the sense in buying a EV in your situation, as you may well never break even, unless fuel goes through the roof and perhaps the gobbermenters come along with some cash incentives. Hendrik who also hard on his vehicles with lots of short trips On 15/08/14 06:48, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Yes, we have been down this road before justifying my truck etc. The same old problem rears its ugly head. I do not have enough parking spots to park any more more vehicles and I don't think paying another $1K a year to nsure another vehicle plus additional upkeep really makes it worth it for me to have a vehicle purely for my short commute between office and home. It may be hard on it but I have been using my 300D most every day this summer for the short trips around town. If I am going to keep it, then it needs to be used too. The truck goes to the lake a couple of times each month over the summer and to North Dakota about once each month and apart from that, essentially sits waiting for winter when the car will be stored and the snow will justify 4 WD. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have some more vehicles but a Leaf would not be high on the list. I would like a newer Mercedes but don't need one. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
We don't have the UP in the US but the Leaf is more compatible in size to the Golf anyway, its not a teeny tiny car. I sat comfortably in the back seat, bigger than a Versa. If you look at pictures of the Versa and the Leaf the latter has junk in the trunk. That big ass gives it more internal space. -Curt From: Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic The issue is still upfront cost, essentially the leaf costs twice as much as a comparable sized car, which are pretty efficient these days, especially with an oil burner under the bonnet. For instance http://volkswagenaustralia.com.au/PassengerVehicleVariants/vehicle/up AU$15k for the 5 door with a 1 litre 55kw. Yes the reduced maintenance thingy has to be factored in (I would assume the leaf or other EVs would still need to be serviced now and then) battery will need replacement at some stage (I think Nissan have a program whereby you can pay a 100 bucks a month to essentially pay off your next battery, which has a warranty of 5 years). I did read some figure on the break even point of an EV and it's not that exciting, something like 8 to 10 years I think or 200k miles(?). Which is a problem, insofar that if you do lots of miles per day then you will need to somehow charge it or tow that trailer to make it there and back. However the break even figures would vary, for instance in a place where fuel is expensive but electricity is cheapish, the break even point would be lower. Hendrik who would like a pink up! On 15/08/14 06:34, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Aren't you the one that said you only commuted a mile or two a day? Most people only commute something like 10 miles round trip daily which makes the Leaf PERFECT for them. None of the downsides of a gas car, heat comes on faster (its electric) no worry about accelerated wear due to the engine never getting up to operating temp, reduced maintenance costs. How often do you really need to drive a long distance? Zip car would be a perfect compliment, especially for city dwellers. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
A lot of normal people can't maintain their cars and are probably better off getting rid of their clunker, unlike the good folks here who can keep a hoopty on the road forever. Curt Driver of hooptys. From: Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic And that's the thing with a lot of folks, you have an old car that is essentially paid off, is not too bad on fuel relatively speaking. I can't see the sense in buying a EV in your situation, as you may well never break even, unless fuel goes through the roof and perhaps the gobbermenters come along with some cash incentives. Hendrik who also hard on his vehicles with lots of short trips On 15/08/14 06:48, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Yes, we have been down this road before justifying my truck etc. The same old problem rears its ugly head. I do not have enough parking spots to park any more more vehicles and I don't think paying another $1K a year to nsure another vehicle plus additional upkeep really makes it worth it for me to have a vehicle purely for my short commute between office and home. It may be hard on it but I have been using my 300D most every day this summer for the short trips around town. If I am going to keep it, then it needs to be used too. The truck goes to the lake a couple of times each month over the summer and to North Dakota about once each month and apart from that, essentially sits waiting for winter when the car will be stored and the snow will justify 4 WD. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have some more vehicles but a Leaf would not be high on the list. I would like a newer Mercedes but don't need one. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
Kid at the dealership said it'd recharge from dead on 110v in 16 hours. So 8 hours ought to give more than half charge since charging slows as you reach maximum capacity. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic OK if you work the day shift. Those things can be charged with a 110V outlet though it takes a lot longer, but still, for 8-10 hours should be enough to add some miles of range? --R (don't no nuffin bout no electrical car mosheenerries) On 8/14/14 11:16 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: How much power is required to recharge the Leaf? I wonder if enough photocells could be put into the windows to recharge enough to get the vehicle home and not have to call for a tow. Might be expensive and cumbersome and most people would not want to put up with that. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Delta Unicycle
I can't tell if you guys can tell its a simulator. Somebody recorded the video from a monitor... -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Delta Unicycle That's what happens when you stand on the brakes! -R On 8/14/14 5:57 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 14/08/2014 4:20 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: For the aviators on this list: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=315265691983609 Wow Good thing that front landing gear strut was strong and the tires held up or it might have become messy. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Review for the 3.5
Andrew wrote: The 4 speed automatic transmission in my 1969 (VIN #47) 280SE 3.5... I always lusted for that car after hearing Stu Ritter talk about the 3.5 engine - is it called over-square? What year did your 18 year ownership end? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Review for the 3.5
Yeah I think it's an over square engine and like most Euro designed engines, loves to rev and is designed for sustained high speed operation. On a related note it's been 40 years since https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iukUMRlaBBE Hendrik who is 5 years older than that song On 15/08/14 10:34, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote: Andrew wrote: The 4 speed automatic transmission in my 1969 (VIN #47) 280SE 3.5... I always lusted for that car after hearing Stu Ritter talk about the 3.5 engine - is it called over-square? What year did your 18 year ownership end? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - USAF SAC tale - The Hat Colonel
ATTABOY Wilton. A clever way to tell the colonel to go s..t in his hat. On Aug 14, 2014 9:24 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yep, another silly SAC tale already. THE HAT COLONEL By Wilton Strickland During all of my career (22 years active) in the Air Force, being outside a building or not on the flightline wearing a uniform but not wearing a hat was to be out of uniform. In other words, if you were wearing a uniform, you had to wear a hat, except inside a building or on the flightline, where aircraft are maintained, engines are running, airplanes taxiing, etc. Because of the danger of a hat being sucked into an engine, it is OK to be hatless on the flightline. Outside the B-52 flight operations building at U-Tapao, Thailand, was a small building where air crewmen purchased snacks, hot-dogs, hamburgers, soft drinks, etc., before getting on a bus to go out to the airplanes to fly bombing missions to Vietnam. There was usually a short period of leisure time (5 to 15 minutes) between completing pre-mission briefings and going out to the planes. Crewmen would mill around the small building, the Snack Shack or Hooch, and under the thatch-covered shelter nearby - some sitting at picnic tables, joking, eating snacks, sipping soft drinks or milk shakes, some smoking, some quiet with their private thoughts. We were usually no more than about 18 to 20 (3 crews) at a time at the Hooch. We were all in our flight suits, of course, and some were almost always hatless, the flight cap folded flat and in one of the flight suit pockets - usually a pocket down low at the side of a leg. Occasionally a colonel, obviously with nothing important to do, would come out to the Hooch and take names of crewmen not wearing hats. I never knew what he did with the names. Now, all the B-52 crewmen I have known - there were many during my 13 years in the BUFF - were highly dedicated, highly professional, highly-motivated, well-educated and well-trained men - not a slouch among them - some of the nation's best and brightest. Ages ranged from about 25 to about 45; about 90% were officers in grades from 1Lt through LtCol. Whether we wore the flight cap, or not, at the Hooch had nothing to do with our dedication to duty, our professionalism, our character, our military bearing, how well we did our jobs, etc. Every night during the December, 1972, Linebacker II, B-52 bombing campaign into the Hanoi area of N. Vietnam that led to ending the war, there may have been as many as 75 or more crewmen at a time milling around the parking lot and Hooch area waiting a few minutes between pre-mission briefings and going out to their aircraft. Hat Colonel came out every night taking names of men not wearing hats. We were all going off to war in a few minutes; some have never returned. There was always a flock of large ducks (probably about 15) also milling around the Hooch begging for handouts. Just before getting on the crew bus the night of Dec. 29, (as it turned out, the last night of the BUFF missions to Hanoi), and soon after Hat Colonel had paid us his nightly visit, I suddenly decided to have some fun with the ducks and Hat Colonel. I asked someone to hold the door to the operations building open; I enlisted additional help, and several of us rounded up the ducks and herded them through the door. The last I saw of the ducks, they were waddling down the hall into and past Hat Colonel's office doing their business. I left Thailand the following night and never saw Hat Colonel nor the ducks again. I've wished for more than 40 years, now, that I could have seen Hat Colonel trying to get the ducks and their business out of his office. Wilton, LtCol, USAF, (Ret) 13 years and 5000 hours in B-52's ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Review for the 3.5
I owned the 3.5 from 1990 until 2009. It now resides in Boca Raton. On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yeah I think it's an over square engine and like most Euro designed engines, loves to rev and is designed for sustained high speed operation. On a related note it's been 40 years since https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=iukUMRlaBBE Hendrik who is 5 years older than that song On 15/08/14 10:34, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote: Andrew wrote: The 4 speed automatic transmission in my 1969 (VIN #47) 280SE 3.5... I always lusted for that car after hearing Stu Ritter talk about the 3.5 engine - is it called over-square? What year did your 18 year ownership end? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - USAF SAC tale - The Hat Colonel
DUCK !!! Incoming !! Common words in Vietnam.. Thanks for putting a humorous note on that one.. I wonder, somewhere in the military archives, if there is a Hat Col. report, duly filed, regarding the wearing of regulation cover by duty flight personnel. Perhaps he also wrote up his report about being invaded by native ducks and the destruction of government property... In triplicate, of course. On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 6:23 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yep, another silly SAC tale already. THE HAT COLONEL By Wilton Strickland During all of my career (22 years active) in the Air Force, being outside a building or not on the flightline wearing a uniform but not wearing a hat was to be out of uniform. In other words, if you were wearing a uniform, you had to wear a hat, except inside a building or on the flightline, where aircraft are maintained, engines are running, airplanes taxiing, etc. Because of the danger of a hat being sucked into an engine, it is OK to be hatless on the flightline. Outside the B-52 flight operations building at U-Tapao, Thailand, was a small building where air crewmen purchased snacks, hot-dogs, hamburgers, soft drinks, etc., before getting on a bus to go out to the airplanes to fly bombing missions to Vietnam. There was usually a short period of leisure time (5 to 15 minutes) between completing pre-mission briefings and going out to the planes. Crewmen would mill around the small building, the Snack Shack or Hooch, and under the thatch-covered shelter nearby - some sitting at picnic tables, joking, eating snacks, sipping soft drinks or milk shakes, some smoking, some quiet with their private thoughts. We were usually no more than about 18 to 20 (3 crews) at a time at the Hooch. We were all in our flight suits, of course, and some were almost always hatless, the flight cap folded flat and in one of the flight suit pockets - usually a pocket down low at the side of a leg. Occasionally a colonel, obviously with nothing important to do, would come out to the Hooch and take names of crewmen not wearing hats. I never knew what he did with the names. Now, all the B-52 crewmen I have known - there were many during my 13 years in the BUFF - were highly dedicated, highly professional, highly-motivated, well-educated and well-trained men - not a slouch among them - some of the nation's best and brightest. Ages ranged from about 25 to about 45; about 90% were officers in grades from 1Lt through LtCol. Whether we wore the flight cap, or not, at the Hooch had nothing to do with our dedication to duty, our professionalism, our character, our military bearing, how well we did our jobs, etc. Every night during the December, 1972, Linebacker II, B-52 bombing campaign into the Hanoi area of N. Vietnam that led to ending the war, there may have been as many as 75 or more crewmen at a time milling around the parking lot and Hooch area waiting a few minutes between pre-mission briefings and going out to their aircraft. Hat Colonel came out every night taking names of men not wearing hats. We were all going off to war in a few minutes; some have never returned. There was always a flock of large ducks (probably about 15) also milling around the Hooch begging for handouts. Just before getting on the crew bus the night of Dec. 29, (as it turned out, the last night of the BUFF missions to Hanoi), and soon after Hat Colonel had paid us his nightly visit, I suddenly decided to have some fun with the ducks and Hat Colonel. I asked someone to hold the door to the operations building open; I enlisted additional help, and several of us rounded up the ducks and herded them through the door. The last I saw of the ducks, they were waddling down the hall into and past Hat Colonel's office doing their business. I left Thailand the following night and never saw Hat Colonel nor the ducks again. I've wished for more than 40 years, now, that I could have seen Hat Colonel trying to get the ducks and their business out of his office. Wilton, LtCol, USAF, (Ret) 13 years and 5000 hours in B-52's ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list
Re: [MBZ] Review for the 3.5
Yup, the 3.5L is the stroker version -- stroke is shorter than the bore is wide. Turns 6200 rpm, believe it or not, and produces prodigious horsepower at high rpm. Sort of a dog from standstill, though, that's why Benz switched to the 4.5L in later years -- more grunt off the line. Vastly better car to drive than a '68 anything made in the USA. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - USAF SAC tale - The Hat Colonel
I've heard of chicken colonels, but a DUCK colonel? ;-) -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
