[MBZ] OT Yeah I know I am not supposed to laugh but.......
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=477477494156fref=nf Hendrik who only trawls facebook for the funny stuff ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Yeah I know I am not supposed to laugh but.......
That was brutal but a teachable moment for Comedy School. On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 4:47 AM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=477477494156fref=nf Hendrik who only trawls facebook for the funny stuff ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Review for the 3.5
My only complaint was that it turned 4000 RPM at 80. On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yup, the 3.5L is the stroker version -- stroke is shorter than the bore is wide. Turns 6200 rpm, believe it or not, and produces prodigious horsepower at high rpm. Sort of a dog from standstill, though, that's why Benz switched to the 4.5L in later years -- more grunt off the line. Vastly better car to drive than a '68 anything made in the USA. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Review for the 3.5
On 14/08/2014 10:34 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: Yup, the 3.5L is the stroker version -- stroke is shorter than the bore is wide. Turns 6200 rpm, believe it or not, and produces prodigious horsepower at high rpm. Sort of a dog from standstill, though, that's why Benz switched to the 4.5L in later years -- more grunt off the line. Vastly better car to drive than a '68 anything made in the USA. Peter ___ I am not so sure about that last statement. America was building some nice cars in 68. Mustang, Camaro, etc. Good power and reasonable handling. Before they went all bloated and the emission stuff made then a mess. I had a 68 Cougar with a 289 that was quite a nice little car. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Review for the 3.5
Go back and drive a car from the '60s. A friend's brother bought a late '60s Mustang, we went to pick it up for him. Nice car in decent shape but boy did it ride hard. We've been spoiled by fuel injected engines and multi-link suspensions. I felt every bump that car went over and it sure felt like my fillings were going to fall out. Plus all the interior noise, little rattles and whatnot. It was a good looking car but not all that fun to live with. -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Review for the 3.5 On 14/08/2014 10:34 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: Yup, the 3.5L is the stroker version -- stroke is shorter than the bore is wide. Turns 6200 rpm, believe it or not, and produces prodigious horsepower at high rpm. Sort of a dog from standstill, though, that's why Benz switched to the 4.5L in later years -- more grunt off the line. Vastly better car to drive than a '68 anything made in the USA. Peter ___ I am not so sure about that last statement. America was building some nice cars in 68. Mustang, Camaro, etc. Good power and reasonable handling. Before they went all bloated and the emission stuff made then a mess. I had a 68 Cougar with a 289 that was quite a nice little car. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Delta Unicycle ahanamyr
Curt wins the prize! Actually, I didn't question what I was seeing at first, even though the aliasing in the clouds and sky should have been a dead giveaway (that the original image was not analog). On further thought, this unicycle mode is clearly impossible; the wing is at a negative angle of attack so what's holding the aircraft up? Not the brakes (no brakes on nose wheel). Not the tail (nowhere near enough lift). Apparently, somebody screwed with the simulator coefficients to make this video (or negative AOA wasn't modelled correctly). Back in the late 70s a General Dynamics pilot explained a trick to a USAF pilot who was about to do an air show. The trick was to hold a LITTLE forward stick force during takeoff roll and release it just as you pass unstick speed. Then the jet (F-16) really jumps off the runway (it's very dramatic). Back then the F-16 had a non-moving force-sensing side-stick so it was very hard to know how much force is just a little and the USAF pilot used too much and broke the nose gear. Still, the main gear never left the runway until takeoff (as far as I could see) even though the F-16 has a large, all-moving horizontal tail that can generate a great deal of lift. After burning off (and maybe dumping) fuel, the pilot executed an emergency lakebed landing; the nose gear collapsed completely and the aircraft came to rest on the front radome. The F-16 canopy is one piece (no separate windscreen) and the radome broke off and slid up over the front lip of the canopy, thus trapping the pilot in the cockpit. The mad dash of emergency vehicles looked pretty hazardous to me. One of the first guys arriving on the scene (another pilot and a big guy at that) saw what was happening and pulled the radome lose by pulling sideways on the pitot tube on the nose of the radome. He received serious burns to his hands because the pitot heat still on, but he did manage to free the trapped pilot, which was good because liquid (fuel or possibly hydrazine) was already leaking from the aircraft. From then on, it was takeoff trim only (no forward stick force) at that base. From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 8:16 PM I can't tell if you guys can tell its a simulator. Somebody recorded the video from a monitor... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Review for the high revving 3.5
Huuh? You mean 80mph? That's about 128kmh, I think most cars (apart from the latest ones with 500 gears in the box) would do round about 4k at 128kmh. Speaking like a general, cars are designed to be efficient round about 90-100kmh, given that is the usual cruising speed in most parts of the world. There was chatter a while back that the greens in Germany wanted to impose speed restrictions on the autobahn to save the planet, not sure what became of that, perhaps the greens got an kicking in the next election. Germans tend to be a bit funny if people want to mess with their right to put the pedal to the metal. Hendrik whose TE does about 4k at 128 On 16/08/14 00:05, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: My only complaint was that it turned 4000 RPM at 80. On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yup, the 3.5L is the stroker version -- stroke is shorter than the bore is wide. Turns 6200 rpm, believe it or not, and produces prodigious horsepower at high rpm. Sort of a dog from standstill, though, that's why Benz switched to the 4.5L in later years -- more grunt off the line. Vastly better car to drive than a '68 anything made in the USA. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Review for the high revving 3.5
Remember the 3.5 was a stroker motor. Rev limit was 6200 rpm, so 4000 at 80 gives around 125 mph for the top end, which was the design spec (same for the 4.5L with 3.23 gears and a 5600 rpm limit, or some thing like that). A real screamer. No tachometer on the 72 US model, so I don't know how fast it turned, but when a friend of mine drove it he thought he had the gearshift in 2nd instead of drive and was driving in second gear rather than third -- light throttle upshift is 25 mph. This is why it got such terrible milage -- with normal gearing and more low end on the cams it would have gotten 25 mpg and gone crazy fast. Way too fast for the brakes and handling anyway. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Delta Unicycle ahanamyr
Precisely……. On Aug 15, 2014, at 7:29 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: the wing is at a negative angle of attack ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Review for the high revving American 3.5
You meant to say way too fast for the skill of the average American driver, did you not? Hendrik who needs no thanks for this little correction but donations will be accepted BTW it seems that the addressing is gone stupid, last couple of my dribbly list messages have only been addressed to the original poster and not the whole list, well I corrected that manually, just so everyone can be amazed at my deep insights On 16/08/14 10:27, Peter Frederick wrote: Snip This is why it got such terrible milage -- with normal gearing and more low end on the cams it would have gotten 25 mpg and gone crazy fast. Way too fast for the brakes and handling anyway. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Review for the high revving American 3.5
No, way too fast for the brakes and tires. Remember, radial tires were a brand new invention then, and modern tires are vastly better than what we drove on 40 years ago. Also, that W109/109 chassis did not have anti-dive front suspension geometry, and slamming on the brakes at speed would drop the front suspension almost down to the jounce bumpers. Quite a surprise if you are not expecting it. Reduces rear braking and can cause the rear tires to lock up and switch ends, too. The Benz had a much better suspension, but it still isn't safe at above 130 mph for anyone, let alone the typical American driver these days. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Chowdah Q
Septembah 13. We can eat at no name as Dwight suggests;) Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Remind me of the date again, please? Dimitri needs an excuse to invite me to dinnah. On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Come to the Q then taste no name's the next day. On Aug 14, 2014 1:59 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I need to get to Bahstun sometime again and check it out --R On 8/14/14 1:45 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Definitely not yuppified. Same old no name. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It's probably yuppified by now and charges $15 for a cup of chowdah. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
