Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies

2015-05-28 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 28/05/2015 2:43 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

On the wet side of the mountains we are paralyzed by White Guilt.

Any solution involves debasing white culture and embracing the multi-cutlural 
appeasement process.   As long as they feel they are warriors opposed to 
inequity, the fools will follow the piper like rats from Hamlin.  Now they are 
sending their children on that path.

The re-education process is pretty complete.  They will bow down and wait for 
the gooberment to come to their rescue.  No longer able to act for their own 
self interest

clay



Interesting that the other groups of whatever background use the race 
card to advance their agendas and no one accuses them of being racist 
but if white folks do anything similar, they are branded racists.
The ethnic groups all appear to prefer their own kind but white folks 
are not supposed to do that as it is racist.

I guess racist = white.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel

2015-05-28 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

   Curt wrote:
  
   We get non-taxable diesel delivered for the snowmobile
   trail groomers at a substantial discount over taxed
   diesel. Granted we buy 200 gallons a week during the

  season...



 Curly wrote:

 For 200 gal Diesel and 400 to 500 Diesel, they would
 grudgingly come out.


Aye, but Curly you live in big farm country.  200 gallons
won't fill one of those big tractors twice.



The big farms skip the jobber entirely.  They have 10,000 gallon 
tanks and just get a semiload from the terminal


The smartest one I saw had 750 head they milk, plus the ancillary 
cattle, I don't know how many acres they farmed but they had all 1974 
or older internationals, and grew sunflowers.  They had a little 
German mill that cold pressed the sunflower oil and they mixed the 
meal to feed cattle and made BioD out of the oil.  They ran 100% BioD 
most of the year, and blended it in the winter.  They bought very 
little fuel and little feed.


It was slick.

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Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel

2015-05-28 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
  Curt wrote:
 
  We get non-taxable diesel delivered for the snowmobile
  trail groomers at a substantial discount over taxed
  diesel. Granted we buy 200 gallons a week during the
  season...

 Curly wrote:
 
 For 200 gal Diesel and 400 to 500 Diesel, they would
 grudgingly come out.

Aye, but Curly you live in big farm country.  200 gallons
won't fill one of those big tractors twice.

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Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel

2015-05-28 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
 Kaleb wrote:
 
 I would like to find some sort of diesel tank on a trailer
 I can take down and fill up and haul back home

If it's more than about 120 gallons or so, and it's not
connected to your engine, it is required to have a HAZMAT
placard.  Just so you know.

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Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies

2015-05-28 Thread clay via Mercedes
On the wet side of the mountains we are paralyzed by White Guilt.  

Any solution involves debasing white culture and embracing the multi-cutlural 
appeasement process.   As long as they feel they are warriors opposed to 
inequity, the fools will follow the piper like rats from Hamlin.  Now they are 
sending their children on that path.

The re-education process is pretty complete.  They will bow down and wait for 
the gooberment to come to their rescue.  No longer able to act for their own 
self interest

clay


On May 27, 2015, at 6:51 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

 Pretty sure I'm not racist.  I'm also pretty sure that I
 would be very nervous in _any_ inner city situation, regardless
 of the 'decor'!  IMHO population density is the problem,
 not color.
 
 Urban Stupid is a sub-culture.  Not sure why it appears to
 be so attractive.
 
 I'm _glad_ Obama has been ineffective!  What he wanted to
 do is not what I wanted done.  OTOH, people seem to elect
 based on powers the office does not have.  So to Urban
 Stupid we have to add the other prevalent sub-culture:
 Regular Stupid!  :-)
 
 -- Jim
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 sunroof rear drains

2015-05-28 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Correct, and thanks!

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 2:43 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 I s'pose you meant ---NO water made it---.   ;)

 ATTABOY!

 Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies

2015-05-28 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
It surely appears that you folks have a problem. The parties have 
managed to work together in the past but seem unable or unwilling to 
do so now.

Being obstinate is just not good for the country.
They need to some up with some initiatives that they can work on 
together an spend less time trying to prevent the other from 
accomplishing anything.



RB
We need to quit electing incumbents, make all fed employees save for 
their won retirement out of their income, pay into to social 
insecurity, ect  and like by the same rules like everyone else.


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Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel

2015-05-28 Thread clay via Mercedes
top off the tank

On May 27, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

 When you pump diesel do you stop when the pump shuts off or do you let the 
 foam go down and pump more in?
 
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Re: [MBZ] 84 300 TD Mercedes

2015-05-28 Thread clay via Mercedes
I have a spare set of headlight doors.  I will have to dig to find them

clay

On May 27, 2015, at 9:16 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

 If someone buys em, I can use the extra set of headlight doors.
 
 
 Not Mine, etc.
 
 Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
 
 From: ro...@craigslist.org
 To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
 Subject: 84 Mercedes Turbo Diesel
 Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 22:31:39 +
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies

2015-05-28 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Curt,
I went looking for the least biased report I could find, with only
objectivity and facts. Here is what I found. There are others of course,
perhaps with more details about what those vacation days actually cost, and
in those, Obama is clearly the big spender, If you add in the vacations
Michelle has taken, then the family total spent on vacations is setting new
records.

However, just the facts, on number of days spent.. No, he said, she said,
the Republicans this, the Democrats that.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2014/aug/23/who-took-more-vacation-george-w-bush-or-barack-oba/

Division followed by Conquest ... Time to all just be Americans, for what
is best for America and it's Citizens.

Respectfully,
Grant...

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 But wasn't his predecessor the most often on vacation president ever?
 I feel like the Republicans pick on Obama for a whole bunch of things
 they'd have lauded in other presidents. I also feel like today if Obama
 said You know what, the AMA isn't working out lets scrap it. the
 Republicans would pull a 180 and FORCE him to keep it in place. I think the
 right has only one platform right now and its merely to be against whatever
 Obama is for.
 Sadly Obama doesn't seem to get that all he has to do is support
 Republican initiatives and the Repubs will abandon them immediately...
 -Curt
   From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
  Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 5:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies

 
 
 I don't think that is fair.
 A whole lot of white people voted for him in order for him to get
 into the office of president.
 During the campaign he was a very good speaker.
 He convinced a lot of people that he could get the job done.
 Unfortunately, he appears to have been all talk and very little action.
 
 RB

 Whole lotta action on the golf courses and extended vacations



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Re: [MBZ] 124 sunroof rear drains

2015-05-28 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

I s'pose you meant ---NO water made it---.   ;)

ATTABOY!

Wilton

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To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 10:46 AM
Subject: [MBZ] 124 sunroof rear drains



They exist.  I checked the EPC and the diagram for the sunroof frame shows
the tube at the rear corners.

Last night I dug in, was able to see the attached tube at the pan 
(slightly

rusty, but not rusted through) and found the far end where it exited the
body under the rear bumper, just behind the rear wheel.

Right rear drain did indeed have some debris which came out when I ran an
old speedometer cable through it and poured water from above.

Peach Parts post with pictures:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/368659-124-wagon-sunroof-drains.html

End result:  After cleaning and buttoning all back up, watered the roof 
for

10 minutes with garden hose, and now water made it into the car.

Lesson learned: if you use your sunroof, make cleaning front and rear
drains part of your maintenance routine.
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies

2015-05-28 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Federal employees do pay from their paychecks for retirement annuity
(FERS), can contribute to the 401k equivalent (TSP) which has matching up
to 5%, and pay social insecurity, medicare, etc. etc.

Congress critters have been able to exempt themselves from some laws (like
insider trading) and still automatically pay themselves a nice fat pay
raise each year, but they have the same retirement plan, same healthcare
options, and pay the same taxes on their federal pay like all other federal
employees.

Personally I think federal employees and military members paying federal
income tax is one of the stupidest things ever, sending money in a big
circle which costs more money.  However that waste of time and money is
small change compared to most of the waste in the federal budget.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  make all fed employees save for their won retirement out of their income,
 pay into to social insecurity,

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Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel

2015-05-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I would like to find some sort of diesel tank on a trailer I can take down and 
fill up and haul back home

Sent from my iPhone

 On May 28, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Around here they don't want to come out for only 200 gallons.  I had trouble 
 getting them to deliver for the 500 gal gasoline tank.  When gasoline 
 (benzin) hit $4/gal, I quit using the tank and went to 5 gal buckets.
 
 For 200 gal Diesel and 400 to 500 Diesel, they would grudgingly come out.
 
 I suspect being dipped is more common in farm country. I've never even HEARD 
 of anybody getting dipped.
 We get non-taxable diesel delivered for the snowmobile trail groomers at a 
 substantial discount over taxed diesel. Granted we buy 200 gallons a week 
 during the season...
 -Curt
 
  From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 3:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
  Check the prices first.  Last time I checked the offroad diesel
 without tax, delivered was more per gallon than road taxed Diesel at
 the pump in town.
 
 You are likely to be stopped and have your tank dipped with the
 pickup.  It is unlikely with a car.
 
 
 I need to get one of those tanks and get some farm diesel
 
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Re: [MBZ] FW: 84 300 TD Mercedes

2015-05-28 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Sounds like you need goats - - -

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Low boy is a good machine but that big a belly mower is no good for me.
 Our farm is much too rocky and bumpy for such a thing. Its bad enough
 mowing with a 42 deck on a the lawnmower. A 3pt bush hog is what I really
 need. Well that and a tractor with a 3pt hitch.
 -Curt





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Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel

2015-05-28 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Around here they don't want to come out for only 200 gallons.  I had 
trouble getting them to deliver for the 500 gal gasoline tank.  When 
gasoline (benzin) hit $4/gal, I quit using the tank and went to 5 gal 
buckets.


For 200 gal Diesel and 400 to 500 Diesel, they would grudgingly come out.

I suspect being dipped is more common in farm country. I've never 
even HEARD of anybody getting dipped.
We get non-taxable diesel delivered for the snowmobile trail 
groomers at a substantial discount over taxed diesel. Granted we buy 
200 gallons a week during the season...

-Curt

  From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 3:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
  
Check the prices first.  Last time I checked the offroad diesel

without tax, delivered was more per gallon than road taxed Diesel at
the pump in town.

You are likely to be stopped and have your tank dipped with the
pickup.  It is unlikely with a car.



I need to get one of those tanks and get some farm diesel

Sent from my W140Phone




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Re: [MBZ] FW: 84 300 TD Mercedes

2015-05-28 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
You have live hydraulics on your Super M.  Call up all states ag 
parts or colfax tractor parts or whoever and buy a used 3 pt 
attachment for your M.  The you can  put a 7 to 8' mower behind on 
the 3 pt.   Even a new Three point and a new mower are way less money 
than a new 20 hp japanese tractor.   You'd probably have enough money 
left over for a loader.



Low boy is a good machine but that big a belly mower is no good for 
me. Our farm is much too rocky and bumpy for such a thing. Its bad 
enough mowing with a 42 deck on a the lawnmower. A 3pt bush hog is 
what I really need. Well that and a tractor with a 3pt hitch.

-Curt


Cub or Cub lowboy are real tractors, as are all the diesel japanese tractors.

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Re: [MBZ] 109

2015-05-28 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
M189 (W109 1965-67) and the M198 (gullwing) share several parts and
designs.  I can confirm, at least, the water pump is the same part, for
example.  I never bothered to compare much else in the EPC. but if you
examine both closely you can see many shared deigns.

Jaime


On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 There is no relationship between a W109 and the Gullwing other than they
 used a mechanical injection pump for fuel delivery, I don't think even the
 pump is the same.

 The Gullwing engine wasn't used all that much, it was very expensive to
 manufacture, and difficult to maintain (the injection nozzles were in the
 block, aimed at the spark plugs) and Benz added the fuel injection to more
 normal engines intended for road use, not a sliced down aircraft engine.

 Not that the original engine wasn't a marvel, it was just not a great
 production engine.

 No suspension parts, either, to the best of my knowledge.  I believe,
 although I could easily be wrong, that the SL had a fully independent rear
 end (I will see my buddy Hans tomorrow, I can ask, he worked on them)
 rather than a swing axle.  Front end on the SL I don't know about.  The
 W109 had kingpins and a two control arms, but so did everything Benz made
 at that time, at least until the W115 replaced the kingpin with ball
 joints.  Geometry was improved in 1962 to change the kingpin axis and
 reduce scrub while increasing caster, some minor changes in the W115 on
 those lines as well.  Nothing exciting except in comparison to US road iron
 of the day, all of which drove like log wagons.

 The SL had a space frame, with body panels attached, and working on it was
 pure hell -- a good deal of the rear frame had to be removed to get to the
 rear axle.  Every Benz designed after 1950 has a unibody.

 I don't see all that much Gullwing in the W108/9 -- it was an old design
 by 1968, dating from the 1950s.  Nice cars, but I like the W126 MUCH more.

 Peter


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Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies

2015-05-28 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Grant... wrote:
 Division followed by Conquest ... Time to all just be Americans, for what
 is best for America and it's Citizens.

What type of communism is that?
You must be daft.
Nice - very nice!! Thanks.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] FW: 84 300 TD Mercedes

2015-05-28 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:


Are these boneyards?  Are there boneyards for 20 year old commercial
walk behind mowers?  I bent the handle on mine - still available new,
but at steep price.
Thanks for leads to walkbehind boneyards, if they exist.  I am not
seeing boneyards searches on the interweb... yet.
mao


A few years ago I found some Cub Cadet parts on eBay.
Turned out there was a Cub Cadet boneyard about 100 miles from me.
I bought a few things cheaply via auction, mostly stuff like steering gearboxes 
and hydro transmission that would have been expensive to ship, then went out 
there and picked it up.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel

2015-05-28 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
To Kaleb,
re, hauling diesel and lack of a tank.

I use 4 ea. 55 gallon metal barrels. I have hauled them both in the bed of
my F450 and my F350 pickup, and on my two axle flatbed trailer.

In each case, I strap all 4 barrels together with two ea. two inch wide
ratchet straps, which gives them decent stability both empty and full.

The steel 55 gallon barrels have metal bungs which will seal up fuel tight,
and I use a Harbor Freight 12 volt pump with 3/4 inch tubing to pump the
fuel out of the barrels into my Ranch tank.. I made up some stingers from
schedule 40 PVC 3/4 inch pipe to stick down the barrel and stick into the
Ranch Tank. I use clear poly tubing from Ace hardware from those to the
pump, [lets me see if fuel is flowing] and alligator clamps and landscaping
low voltage wire to run from the truck battery to the pump, with a 12V
on/off switch at the pump..

Takes about 15 to 20 minutes to pump off 55 gallons, but it's a poor mans
way to haul fuel, and have control over cost of tanks.. I picked up the 55
gal barrels used once [had engine oil original use] for $5 each.

HTH..
Grant...
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[MBZ] Seems like nutsack had one of these

2015-05-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes


1963 Mercedes 220 SE Coupe 4 speed manual
http://loz.craigslist.org/cto/5040567853.html

via cPro Craigslist App
iOS: http://tinyurl.com/CL-iDevice
Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android


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Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies

2015-05-28 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
RB wrote:
 Being obstinate is just not good for the country.

Yes, that is true.
The name we use for that down here these days is racism.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] FW: 84 300 TD Mercedes

2015-05-28 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Curly wrote:
 ...Call up all states ag parts or colfax tractor parts or whoever...

Are these boneyards?  Are there boneyards for 20 year old commercial
walk behind mowers?  I bent the handle on mine - still available new,
but at steep price.
Thanks for leads to walkbehind boneyards, if they exist.  I am not
seeing boneyards searches on the interweb... yet.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel

2015-05-28 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Tech tip, I forgot..

Cut the bottom end of the PVC pipe at about a 30 degree angle so it won't
suck down to the bottom of the barrel and stall the pump.


On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 8:43 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:


 To Kaleb,
 re, hauling diesel and lack of a tank.

 I use 4 ea. 55 gallon metal barrels. I have hauled them both in the bed of
 my F450 and my F350 pickup, and on my two axle flatbed trailer.

 In each case, I strap all 4 barrels together with two ea. two inch wide
 ratchet straps, which gives them decent stability both empty and full.

 The steel 55 gallon barrels have metal bungs which will seal up fuel
 tight, and I use a Harbor Freight 12 volt pump with 3/4 inch tubing to pump
 the fuel out of the barrels into my Ranch tank.. I made up some stingers
 from schedule 40 PVC 3/4 inch pipe to stick down the barrel and stick into
 the Ranch Tank. I use clear poly tubing from Ace hardware from those to the
 pump, [lets me see if fuel is flowing] and alligator clamps and landscaping
 low voltage wire to run from the truck battery to the pump, with a 12V
 on/off switch at the pump..

 Takes about 15 to 20 minutes to pump off 55 gallons, but it's a poor mans
 way to haul fuel, and have control over cost of tanks.. I picked up the 55
 gal barrels used once [had engine oil original use] for $5 each.

 HTH..
 Grant...


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Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel

2015-05-28 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

To Kaleb,
re, hauling diesel and lack of a tank.

I use 4 ea. 55 gallon metal barrels. I have hauled them both in the bed of
my F450 and my F350 pickup, and on my two axle flatbed trailer.

In each case, I strap all 4 barrels together with two ea. two inch wide
ratchet straps, which gives them decent stability both empty and full.

The steel 55 gallon barrels have metal bungs which will seal up fuel tight,
and I use a Harbor Freight 12 volt pump with 3/4 inch tubing to pump the
fuel out of the barrels into my Ranch tank.. I made up some stingers from
schedule 40 PVC 3/4 inch pipe to stick down the barrel and stick into the
Ranch Tank. I use clear poly tubing from Ace hardware from those to the
pump, [lets me see if fuel is flowing] and alligator clamps and landscaping
low voltage wire to run from the truck battery to the pump, with a 12V
on/off switch at the pump..

Takes about 15 to 20 minutes to pump off 55 gallons, but it's a poor mans
way to haul fuel, and have control over cost of tanks.. I picked up the 55
gal barrels used once [had engine oil original use] for $5 each.

HTH..
Grant...


Naaa.  Kaleb's a rich rancher with an image to maintain.  He needs 
one of these.


http://thundercreekequipment.com/products/standard-trailers.html 
Made right down the road from Pella winders and Vermeer 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fqaxiG8op8


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Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel

2015-05-28 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
I tip my hat to anyone who can get rich farming... I've been involved in
farming in one way or another for over 60 years and I've had two good
years.. 1958 and next year... ;))

On a practical note.. fuel thieves abound in todays world.. and anyone can
hook to that nice fancy trailer and pull off with a load of your money in
fuel.. poor boy barrels.. not so much..


On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 To Kaleb,
 re, hauling diesel and lack of a tank.

 I use 4 ea. 55 gallon metal barrels. I have hauled them both in the bed of
 my F450 and my F350 pickup, and on my two axle flatbed trailer.

 In each case, I strap all 4 barrels together with two ea. two inch wide
 ratchet straps, which gives them decent stability both empty and full.

 The steel 55 gallon barrels have metal bungs which will seal up fuel
 tight,
 and I use a Harbor Freight 12 volt pump with 3/4 inch tubing to pump the
 fuel out of the barrels into my Ranch tank.. I made up some stingers
 from
 schedule 40 PVC 3/4 inch pipe to stick down the barrel and stick into the
 Ranch Tank. I use clear poly tubing from Ace hardware from those to the
 pump, [lets me see if fuel is flowing] and alligator clamps and
 landscaping
 low voltage wire to run from the truck battery to the pump, with a 12V
 on/off switch at the pump..

 Takes about 15 to 20 minutes to pump off 55 gallons, but it's a poor mans
 way to haul fuel, and have control over cost of tanks.. I picked up the 55
 gal barrels used once [had engine oil original use] for $5 each.

 HTH..
 Grant...


 Naaa.  Kaleb's a rich rancher with an image to maintain.  He needs one of
 these.

 http://thundercreekequipment.com/products/standard-trailers.html Made
 right down the road from Pella winders and Vermeer
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fqaxiG8op8

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Re: [MBZ] Is the clutch job really over? Plus other jobs

2015-05-28 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

ATTABOY!

Wilton

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Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 12:18 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Is the clutch job really over? Plus other jobs



I'm sure hoping so.

Six months ago I bought and installed a new clutch master
cylinder in a early '81 240D.  The website didn't post the
manufacturer - so I took a chance, and lost.  It was a TRW
with Lucas cast into the body - not a FTE or FAG. 


A couple months ago the car started losing brake fluid.  It
took awhile for it to get big enough for me to find it.  The
leak was the main seal on the clutch master cylinder.  Fluid
was leaking out and spilling over the top every time the
pedal was pressed.   

*sigh*  


This is the TRW that is less than 6 months old, the one that
didn't fit right.  I had to grind about 3 mm off the end of
the short rod to make it work.

I order a FTE master cylinder from AutohauseAZ and a short
rod.  I was quite surprised to find the master cylinder had
both a short and a long rod!  No mention was made in the
description.  So I wasted $6 and have an extra short rod.  Oh
well.  For what it's worth, it seem the short rods typically
have a white plastic end and the long rods have a black
plastic end.

So how did it install?   Perfect.  Bolted in like it should, I
was able to bleed it from the slave up (so the rod wasn't too
long).  And I had the assistance of a six-year-old who was
able to lay down on the floorboard and reach up under the
dash!  


So I'm hoping that the last time I have to mess with that
master cylinder for at least a dozen years.

Next was the starter motor.  The one in the car was requiring
a tap on the solenoid every time the car was cranked.  I put
in a used one - that often would just spin and not crank the
engine.  So I took apart 3 starters and picked the best parts
from each and put together a whole one that's working fine.
Some days it's worth that kind of effort to safe $150 dollars.

The last item was the power steering return hose.  It was
rubbing against an air conditioner hose and nearly worn
through.  I found it odd the A/C hose shows almost no wear,
while the PS hose was very worn.  A new piece of Continental
hose and that was fixed.  I also drained and flush the fluid
and put in a new filter.  The old filter was one I haven't
seen before. Three pieces, a steel bottom plate with ears
to hold the element, a steel top plate, and the filter
element NOT paper.  It looks like it may be reusable.  I
cleaned it up and put it in the spare parts box and put a new
Mann in the pump. 


Now I just need to get a MIG welder and repair some sheet
metal...

--  Philip

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[MBZ] 124 sunroof rear drains

2015-05-28 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
They exist.  I checked the EPC and the diagram for the sunroof frame shows
the tube at the rear corners.

Last night I dug in, was able to see the attached tube at the pan (slightly
rusty, but not rusted through) and found the far end where it exited the
body under the rear bumper, just behind the rear wheel.

Right rear drain did indeed have some debris which came out when I ran an
old speedometer cable through it and poured water from above.

Peach Parts post with pictures:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/368659-124-wagon-sunroof-drains.html

End result:  After cleaning and buttoning all back up, watered the roof for
10 minutes with garden hose, and now water made it into the car.

Lesson learned: if you use your sunroof, make cleaning front and rear
drains part of your maintenance routine.
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT iPhone forced reset via text message

2015-05-28 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
You forgot where the iPhone fan-bois will wait in line all night to buy a new 
phone that just nearly catches Apple up to the features of the last generation 
Samsung phone.
Or where they implant the souls of murdered Chinese workers into the phones to 
finally make Siri work. They'll be successful but you'll have to speak Chinese 
to it.
-Curt

  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:04 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] OT iPhone forced reset via text message
   
Just read an article about the most recent bug in iPhone IOS, which is
triggered by a text message containing both arabic and english text.

Apple will first deny that anything could possibly wrong, then secretly
work on it for months while selling new iPhones to users who end up in the
forced reset loop, then finally release an update that fixes it but (a)
won't admit that's what it is fixing and (b) break several other things,
requiring another update.

[flame shields UP!]
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] FW: 84 300 TD Mercedes

2015-05-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
 I have a pair of BLACKENED headlight doors - interested?

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 12:16 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 If someone buys em, I can use the extra set of headlight doors.


  Not Mine, etc.

 Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

 From: ro...@craigslist.org
 To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
 Subject: 84 Mercedes Turbo Diesel
 Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 22:31:39 +


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Re: [MBZ] FW: 84 300 TD Mercedes

2015-05-28 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 27/05/2015 6:06 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Not Mine, etc.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

From: ro...@craigslist.org
To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
Subject: 84 Mercedes Turbo Diesel
Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 22:31:39 +




fred.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist:



84 Mercedes Turbo Diesel
http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/cto/5038238324.html







Curt will take them, if he throws in the small tractor seen behind the 
one on the right.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel

2015-05-28 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I suspect being dipped is more common in farm country. I've never even HEARD of 
anybody getting dipped.
We get non-taxable diesel delivered for the snowmobile trail groomers at a 
substantial discount over taxed diesel. Granted we buy 200 gallons a week 
during the season...
-Curt

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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 3:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
   
Check the prices first.  Last time I checked the offroad diesel 
without tax, delivered was more per gallon than road taxed Diesel at 
the pump in town.

You are likely to be stopped and have your tank dipped with the 
pickup.  It is unlikely with a car.


I need to get one of those tanks and get some farm diesel

Sent from my W140Phone



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Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel

2015-05-28 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I've found that my Jetta is very sensitive to fuel. The cheapest station around 
gives me around a 3mpg loss of mileage while the most expensive gives about a 
1mpg gain over the mid range stations which are all about the same.Based on the 
most expensive station being usually around $0.20 more expensive I generally 
avoid it unless we're going on a long trip and I want a long distance tank. I 
also avoid the cheapest station unless I absolutely have to stop there.
-Curt
  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 4:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
   
I have found that calculating the cost per mile at each station is the best
way to determine which station to use.  I keep a log for each diesel car.
This levels that playing field by accounting for inaccurate pumps.



-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies

2015-05-28 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
But wasn't his predecessor the most often on vacation president ever?
I feel like the Republicans pick on Obama for a whole bunch of things they'd 
have lauded in other presidents. I also feel like today if Obama said You know 
what, the AMA isn't working out lets scrap it. the Republicans would pull a 
180 and FORCE him to keep it in place. I think the right has only one platform 
right now and its merely to be against whatever Obama is for.
Sadly Obama doesn't seem to get that all he has to do is support Republican 
initiatives and the Repubs will abandon them immediately...
-Curt
  From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 5:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies
   


I don't think that is fair.
A whole lot of white people voted for him in order for him to get 
into the office of president.
During the campaign he was a very good speaker.
He convinced a lot of people that he could get the job done.
Unfortunately, he appears to have been all talk and very little action.

RB

Whole lotta action on the golf courses and extended vacations



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Re: [MBZ] FW: 84 300 TD Mercedes

2015-05-28 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Low boy is a good machine but that big a belly mower is no good for me. Our 
farm is much too rocky and bumpy for such a thing. Its bad enough mowing with a 
42 deck on a the lawnmower. A 3pt bush hog is what I really need. Well that 
and a tractor with a 3pt hitch.
-Curt
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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca 
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:48 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: 84 300 TD Mercedes
   
On 27/05/2015 6:06 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:
 Not Mine, etc.

 Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

 From: ro...@craigslist.org
 To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
 Subject: 84 Mercedes Turbo Diesel
 Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 22:31:39 +




 fred.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist:



 84 Mercedes Turbo Diesel
 http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/cto/5038238324.html






Curt will take them, if he throws in the small tractor seen behind the 
one on the right.

RB



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Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies

2015-05-28 Thread astrasfogel--- via Mercedes


Now that was funny!!
--
Sent from myMail app for Android
Thursday, 28 May 2015, 00:50PM -0400 from Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com:
But wasn't his predecessor the most often on vacation president ever?
I feel like the Republicans pick on Obama for a whole bunch of things they'd 
have lauded in other presidents. I also feel like today if Obama said You know 
what, the AMA isn't working out lets scrap it. the Republicans would pull a 
180 and FORCE him to keep it in place. I think the right has only one platform 
right now and its merely to be against whatever Obama is for.
Sadly Obama doesn't seem to get that all he has to do is support Republican 
initiatives and the Repubs will abandon them immediately...
-Curt
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 To: Mercedes Discussion List  mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Curly McLain  126die...@gmail.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 5:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies


I don't think that is fair.
A whole lot of white people voted for him in order for him to get
into the office of president.
During the campaign he was a very good speaker.
He convinced a lot of people that he could get the job done.
Unfortunately, he appears to have been all talk and very little action.

RB
Whole lotta action on the golf courses and extended vacations
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Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies

2015-05-28 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 28/05/2015 11:50 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

But wasn't his predecessor the most often on vacation president ever?
I feel like the Republicans pick on Obama for a whole bunch of things they'd have lauded 
in other presidents. I also feel like today if Obama said You know what, the AMA 
isn't working out lets scrap it. the Republicans would pull a 180 and FORCE him to 
keep it in place. I think the right has only one platform right now and its merely to be 
against whatever Obama is for.
Sadly Obama doesn't seem to get that all he has to do is support Republican 
initiatives and the Repubs will abandon them immediately...
-Curt
   


It surely appears that you folks have a problem. The parties have 
managed to work together in the past but seem unable or unwilling to do 
so now.

Being obstinate is just not good for the country.
They need to some up with some initiatives that they can work on 
together an spend less time trying to prevent the other from 
accomplishing anything.


RB

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