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Whatever hapened to good gramar and speling?


publik skuls

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Re: [MBZ] Something for Martha

Since I voted 230 times for Obama over two elections it must he his fault.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Whatever hapened to good gramar and speling?
>>
>>
> Goobermnt goobers messing around with, then taking over, Lokal skools
>
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Re: [MBZ] Something for Martha

Whatever hapened to good gramar and speling?

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> "someone who knows what there doing"
>
> As long as there not loosers
>
> --R
>
> On 2/8/16 10:03 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/cto/5415121727.html
>>
>> Maybe Poos needs a new toy to add to the collection.  Not sure I could
>> get it all the way to Tampa, but worth a try
>>
>> not mine, no interest
>>
>>
>> clay
>>
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>>
>>
>>
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[MBZ] Fwd: W123 stone guard/skid plate


Glenn ask me to post this to the list for anyone who might be interested:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zg8sjj00tbalefa/Photo%20Feb%2008%2C%204%2028%2042%20PM.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/urf836e6ha11tki/Photo%20Feb%2008%2C%204%2029%2010%20PM.jpg?dl=0


Dan

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Begin forwarded message:

> From: "G. M. Brown" 
> Date: February 8, 2016 at 4:49:49 PM EST
> To: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: W123 stone guard/skid plate
> 
> Dan,
> 
> I'm in the process of moving and found a W123 stone guard/skid plate ( Part 
> number 123 520 04 42) which I had on my '84 300D initially until I found the 
> difficulty in oil changes when in place and, since I'm no longer on the 
> diesel list, I wonder if you'd be willing to place an ad there for this at 
> $25 + shipping?
> I'm including my contact information below, thanx.
> 
> See ya', stay healthy.
> 
> Glenn Brown
> 183 Fox Cross Drive
> Brevard, NC
> 28712
> 
> 828-877-2413
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Re: [MBZ] Something for Martha


Whatever hapened to good gramar and speling?



Goobermnt goobers messing around with, then taking over, Lokal skools

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Re: [MBZ] Something for Martha


"someone who knows what there doing"

As long as there not loosers

--R

On 2/8/16 10:03 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/cto/5415121727.html

Maybe Poos needs a new toy to add to the collection.  Not sure I could get it 
all the way to Tampa, but worth a try

not mine, no interest


clay

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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[MBZ] 1985 FL 300TD sold on ebay a few minutes ago

Pretty much a poorly maintained example of the beloved 123 300TD turbo
wagon.  To his credit, the seller disclosed everything - good, bad and
ugly.  Watch the video for a hilarious hula dance demo by the air cleaner
assembly.

Sold at $2,499 with only 2 bids.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-W123-/321996846506?forcerrptr=true=item4af881f5aa:g:gNsAAOSwa-dWm~0g=321996846506
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Re: [MBZ] Barum tires

How good do you think they could possibly be for that price? Whats the wear 
number?
-Curt

  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 4:47 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Barum tires

So what did we figure out on those tires? I see them on discount tire for the 
210 chassis for $68

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: W123 stone guard/skid plate

2016-02-09 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


On 09/02/2016 9:47 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Glenn ask me to post this to the list for anyone who might be interested:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zg8sjj00tbalefa/Photo%20Feb%2008%2C%204%2028%2042%20PM.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/urf836e6ha11tki/Photo%20Feb%2008%2C%204%2029%2010%20PM.jpg?dl=0


Dan

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From: "G. M. Brown" 
Date: February 8, 2016 at 4:49:49 PM EST
To: Dan Penoff 
Subject: W123 stone guard/skid plate

Dan,

I'm in the process of moving and found a W123 stone guard/skid plate ( Part 
number 123 520 04 42) which I had on my '84 300D initially until I found the 
difficulty in oil changes when in place and, since I'm no longer on the diesel 
list, I wonder if you'd be willing to place an ad there for this at $25 + 
shipping?
I'm including my contact information below, thanx.

See ya', stay healthy.

Glenn Brown
183 Fox Cross Drive
Brevard, NC
28712

828-877-2413

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Re: [MBZ] Paint Question

I would doubt 040 was coated, as I found that it is not coated on the 300SE 
W140.  I had to do a severe scuff coat (green pad, then 1000 thru 5000 grit) to 
deal with pine sap eating through the paint.  Compound and polish to get the 
shine back.  #1 boy sort of burnt through while buffing the hood.  Looked 
single stage

clay

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> Anyone know if Mercedes clear coated 040 Black on W126 chassis cars?
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.   I am running it through 
Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud in 
the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual change, I 
figure I will move to Delo synth.



clay 

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1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.
> 
> On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car 
>> Quest synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at 
>> Autozone the other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal 
>> so I grabbed a gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was 
>> $24/gal...
>> 
>> The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only 
>> stuff at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts recommends 
>> Liqui Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery: 
>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
>>  ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a 
>> filter and drain plug.
>> My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 4,000 
>> miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be slowing down.
>> Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
>>  Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 6:36 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
>>For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1 
>> turbo diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than M1 
>> and what I use.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616, and
>>> OM617.
>>> Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
>>> 
>>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Fun W/Craigslist

Coupla years ago here in the area a young kid, 19 or 20, was selling his
pickup, met the guy, which turned out to be 2 guys, they wanted to go
for a ride in it to check it out, OK, he went with them. The 2 buyers
killed him and took the truck. They were caught the next day or two,
had no particular reason for killing him, no particular remorse, didn't
have much concern about it.

--R

On 2/9/16 3:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I've had a couple of sales on Craigslist where the buyer "forgets" or "couldn't
get" change, which of course would result in a lower selling price. If I don't have change I
turn them down.

One guy went to an ATM to get some, another just paid me more because he
couldn't make change.

The question is, how bad do you want it?

Dan

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On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes
wrote:

Hey! Sell me that computer man, and you better bring cash. Large bills. You
know, for change.

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Had a computer for sale on CL. Got a response that seemed sort of scammy,
pushy, saw mine when they were going to buy another, etc., etc. Just
didn’t have a good feeling about it.

Our county sheriff has an area at each of their regional sites where you
can meet up for stuff like this. Cameras, sheriffs in clear view, plenty
of security.

I told the buyer that’s where I would meet them.

Never heard back. Hmm.

Dan
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[MBZ] Barum tires

So what did we figure out on those tires? I see them on discount tire for the 
210 chassis for $68

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Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

Netflix runs an English copper show titled "Vexed".  Detectives, dude and dame. 
 Guy drives a silver R107.

clay

On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:27 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> There's a really good Brit series with Charlotte Rampling called 
> "Broadchurch" that I got caught up in. The second season just started and 
> it's been quite engaging.
> 
> Probably one of the few TV shows I'll actually take time to sit and watch. 
> That reminds me, there are some new episodes on the DVR I need to check out.
> 
> Dan
> 
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>> On Feb 7, 2016, at 11:37 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Wife is going through the whole series now - - -
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> If you like Brit mysteries with some complexity and some humor, try
>>> Midsomer Murders.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] The epitome of MB quality, comfort, and engineering

You gonna buy a NEW car???  Who does that in this community.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> I would not mind one of the new s diesels, but I have my eye on the new
> e250s
>
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> > On Feb 9, 2016, at 11:52 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
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> >
> > I saw a couple of the new S diesels a year or so ago, I think they use
> the "350 Bluetec" like is in our ML350 Bluetec.  That engine puts out some
> good torks, moves the ML right along.  I drove a GL350 Bt dizzel along with
> the ML, the GL seemed a little slower and struggling but moved OK just not
> as peppy as the ML.  Weight difference I suppose.  The S should move along
> OK too, I have not driven the new S but wondered how a new S dizzel would
> compare to previous S dizzels in the terms as stated above.
> >
> > --R
> >
> >> On 2/9/16 10:29 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Peter,
> >> My 1980 300SD was sold in the Atlanta area and has spent its entire
> life in Georgia. It has rarely ever been exposed to salt. Hence, the body
> is in excellent shape. I had the leather and seat pads redone about 18
> years ago and they are still fine. It starts a little slow when it's below
> 30 degrees, but starts fine in warmer weather. It still has good
> power/acceleration and is a joy to drive. If you like your 87, I'd fix it
> up. I'm sure it still has better material in it than the new models.
> >> Best Wishes,
> >> Roger
> >> Roger Hale
> >> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> >> Monroe, Ga.
> >> 770-267-0850
> >> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Fun W/Craigslist

I've had a couple of sales on Craigslist where the buyer "forgets" or "couldn't 
get" change, which of course would result in a lower selling price. If I don't 
have change I turn them down.

One guy went to an ATM to get some, another just paid me more because he 
couldn't make change.

The question is, how bad do you want it?

Dan

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> On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hey! Sell me that computer man, and you better bring cash. Large bills. You
> know, for change.
> 
> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Had a computer for sale on CL.  Got a response that seemed sort of scammy,
>> pushy, saw mine when they were going to buy another, etc., etc.  Just
>> didn’t have a good feeling about it.
>> 
>> Our county sheriff has an area at each of their regional sites where you
>> can meet up for stuff like this.  Cameras, sheriffs in clear view, plenty
>> of security.
>> 
>> I told the buyer that’s where I would meet them.
>> 
>> Never heard back.  Hmm.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fun W/Craigslist

Yeah, I'm becoming less and less enamored of CL as a selling venue because of 
the creepy and questionable people that sometimes frequent it (present company 
excepted, of course.)

I have gotten to the point where when I do use CL, I use a burner email 
account, never give out my address or phone number, and meet at the Sheriff's 
department or in a heavily populated spot, ideally with a friend or family 
member in tow.

Call me paranoid, but it works.

Dan

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> On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Coupla years ago here in the area a young kid, 19 or 20, was selling his 
> pickup, met the guy, which turned out to be 2 guys, they wanted to go for a 
> ride in it to check it out, OK, he went with them.  The 2 buyers killed him 
> and took the truck.  They were caught the next day or two, had no particular 
> reason for killing him, no particular remorse, didn't have much concern about 
> it.
> 
> --R
> 

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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

Yabbut Bob's is a 210 or 211, OM 606.  those take differ'nt oil than 
the old engines.


I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.   I am running it 
through Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 
40 years of crud in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out 
clean during the annual change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.




clay

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers


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Re: [MBZ] The epitome of MB quality, comfort, and engineering

I would not mind one of the new s diesels, but I have my eye on the new e250s

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2016, at 11:52 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I saw a couple of the new S diesels a year or so ago, I think they use the 
> "350 Bluetec" like is in our ML350 Bluetec.  That engine puts out some good 
> torks, moves the ML right along.  I drove a GL350 Bt dizzel along with the 
> ML, the GL seemed a little slower and struggling but moved OK just not as 
> peppy as the ML.  Weight difference I suppose.  The S should move along OK 
> too, I have not driven the new S but wondered how a new S dizzel would 
> compare to previous S dizzels in the terms as stated above.
> 
> --R
> 
>> On 2/9/16 10:29 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> Peter,
>> My 1980 300SD was sold in the Atlanta area and has spent its entire life in 
>> Georgia. It has rarely ever been exposed to salt. Hence, the body is in 
>> excellent shape. I had the leather and seat pads redone about 18 years ago 
>> and they are still fine. It starts a little slow when it's below 30 degrees, 
>> but starts fine in warmer weather. It still has good power/acceleration and 
>> is a joy to drive. If you like your 87, I'd fix it up. I'm sure it still has 
>> better material in it than the new models.
>> Best Wishes,
>> Roger
>> Roger Hale
>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
>> Monroe, Ga.
>> 770-267-0850
>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] Barum tires

Well keep us updated

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> On Feb 9, 2016, at 4:41 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> There's not a whole lot of technical information that I can find on them. I
> bought some for my CLK 350. I've had them for almost a week. Nothing but
> dry conditions. They're just as quiet as the Michelins were. They seem
> pretty sticky for no more of an aggressive driver than I am. They're not
> quite as low profile as the Michelins were. I'd say so far so good.
> 
> Bob R
> On Feb 9, 2016 2:51 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> How good do you think they could possibly be for that price? Whats the
>> wear number?
>> -Curt
>> 
>>  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 4:47 PM
>> Subject: [MBZ] Barum tires
>> 
>> So what did we figure out on those tires? I see them on discount tire for
>> the 210 chassis for $68
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Barum tires

like 440 or so, I am not ordering them because for twice the price 
I can get Michelins that will last at least twice as long but may 
try them on a flipper or something.


On 2/9/2016 3:51 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

How good do you think they could possibly be for that price? Whats the wear 
number?
-Curt

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Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 4:47 PM
  Subject: [MBZ] Barum tires

So what did we figure out on those tires? I see them on discount tire for the 210 chassis for $68


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: W123 stone guard/skid plate


On 09/02/2016 9:47 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Glenn ask me to post this to the list for anyone who might be interested:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zg8sjj00tbalefa/Photo%20Feb%2008%2C%204%2028%2042%20PM.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/urf836e6ha11tki/Photo%20Feb%2008%2C%204%2029%2010%20PM.jpg?dl=0


Dan

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From: "G. M. Brown" 
Date: February 8, 2016 at 4:49:49 PM EST
To: Dan Penoff 
Subject: W123 stone guard/skid plate

Dan,

I'm in the process of moving and found a W123 stone guard/skid 
plate ( Part number 123 520 04 42) which I had on my '84 300D 
initially until I found the difficulty in oil changes when in 
place and, since I'm no longer on the diesel list, I wonder if 
you'd be willing to place an ad there for this at $25 + shipping?

I'm including my contact information below, thanx.

See ya', stay healthy.

Glenn Brown
183 Fox Cross Drive
Brevard, NC
28712

828-877-2413

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I'm thinking A'drew needs it for maneuvering the potholes in the 
streets of the social ist paradise he live in.


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Re: [MBZ] Barum tires

2016-02-09 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes

There's not a whole lot of technical information that I can find on them. I
bought some for my CLK 350. I've had them for almost a week. Nothing but
dry conditions. They're just as quiet as the Michelins were. They seem
pretty sticky for no more of an aggressive driver than I am. They're not
quite as low profile as the Michelins were. I'd say so far so good.

Bob R
On Feb 9, 2016 2:51 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> How good do you think they could possibly be for that price? Whats the
> wear number?
> -Curt
>
>   From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
>  Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 4:47 PM
>  Subject: [MBZ] Barum tires
>
> So what did we figure out on those tires? I see them on discount tire for
> the 210 chassis for $68
>
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

They pulled the CF certification some time ago because it "was obsolete" which 
I think is BS. I used it even after they'd pulled the certification and the 
analysis came back the same as it did before.
Have you had an analysis pulled on the Delo? Without analysis the only thing 
you can really say is that the engine hasn't seized up yet, you don't really 
know whats going on inside.
I've softened considerably in my stance on oil, years ago I was hardcore for 
M1. Only M1 5w40 ESP meets the VW spec for my Jetta and I can't find it locally 
so I moved to the CarQuest brand which did sport the VW 501 I needed. With that 
gone I'm back to M1, I refuse to pay huge money for oil for that engine. M1 
doesn't have the spec only because they haven't applied for it
Where do you get Delo synthetic? I've never actually seen it for sale. If the 
answer is Wal-Mart that'd explain it.
-Curt

  From: Kaleb C. Striplin 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 6:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
That m1 15w50 is not diesel rated is it? The Delo synthetic is as good as m1 as 
far as I can tell

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> On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Why go to a cheaper/lower quality oil?
> I used 15w50 year round in the 240Ds since they both leaked less with it than 
> with 5w40. The 190Ds both got 5w40 since neither leaked terribly bad.When I 
> lived in the apartment and had the 240D in the winter 5w40 was critical...
> -Curt
> 
>      From: clay via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: clay 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
> 
> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
> 
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.
>> 
>>> On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car 
>>> Quest synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at 
>>> Autozone the other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal 
>>> so I grabbed a gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was 
>>> $24/gal...
>>> 
>>> The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only 
>>> stuff at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts 
>>> recommends Liqui Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery: 
>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
>>>  ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a 
>>> filter and drain plug.
>>> My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 
>>> 4,000 miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be slowing 
>>> down.
>>> Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>      From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercede

  
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Re: [MBZ] Fun W/Craigslist

2016-02-09 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

I sold a boat prop last week, first sale on CL for me.  It sold in less than 24 
hours.  The guy who bought it presented himself well in email and on the phone. 
 I should not have had him come to the house, newbie mistake, but no harm came 
of it.  He was very excited to get it, showed up with cash, tried to bargain a 
little but I pointed out how my asking price was about half the going price on 
eBay.  I held firm, he paid and left with the prop, and I took down the ad.
-- 
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'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

Yeah I figured. I can't take the Walmartians, I try really, really hard not to 
darken their door.
-Curt

  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
I get it at Walmart 

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> On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> They pulled the CF certification some time ago because it "was obsolete" 
> which I think is BS. I used it even after they'd pulled the certification and 
> the analysis came back the same as it did before.
> Have you had an analysis pulled on the Delo? Without analysis the only thing 
> you can really say is that the engine hasn't seized up yet, you don't really 
> know whats going on inside.
> I've softened considerably in my stance on oil, years ago I was hardcore for 
> M1. Only M1 5w40 ESP meets the VW spec for my Jetta and I can't find it 
> locally so I moved to the CarQuest brand which did sport the VW 501 I needed. 
> With that gone I'm back to M1, I refuse to pay huge money for oil for that 
> engine. M1 doesn't have the spec only because they haven't applied for it
> Where do you get Delo synthetic? I've never actually seen it for sale. If the 
> answer is Wal-Mart that'd explain it.
> -Curt
> 
>      From: Kaleb C. Striplin 
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>  
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
> 
> That m1 15w50 is not diesel rated is it? The Delo synthetic is as good as m1 
> as far as I can tell
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Why go to a cheaper/lower quality oil?
>> I used 15w50 year round in the 240Ds since they both leaked less with it 
>> than with 5w40. The 190Ds both got 5w40 since neither leaked terribly 
>> bad.When I lived in the apartment and had the 240D in the winter 5w40 was 
>> critical...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>      From: clay via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>> Cc: clay 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
>> 
>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.
>>> 
 On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car 
 Quest synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at 
 Autozone the other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal 
 so I grabbed a gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was 
 $24/gal...
 
 The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only 
 stuff at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts 
 recommends Liqui Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery: 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
  ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a 
 filter and drain plug.
 My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 
 4,000 miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be 
 slowing down.
 Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
 -Curt
 
      From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercede
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

The labeling has changed look over the past decade.  It is being marketed as 
light truck diesel oil.  There should be ASTM stamp with a C rating.  I have 
not purchased in a few years as I am working through a few cases I had on hand 
for Gump and the E300D.

clay

On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> That m1 15w50 is not diesel rated is it? The Delo synthetic is as good as m1 
> as far as I can tell
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Why go to a cheaper/lower quality oil?
>> I used 15w50 year round in the 240Ds since they both leaked less with it 
>> than with 5w40. The 190Ds both got 5w40 since neither leaked terribly 
>> bad.When I lived in the apartment and had the 240D in the winter 5w40 was 
>> critical...
>> -Curt
>> 
>> From: clay via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>> Cc: clay 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
>> 
>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.
>>> 
 On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car 
 Quest synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at 
 Autozone the other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal 
 so I grabbed a gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was 
 $24/gal...
 
 The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only 
 stuff at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts 
 recommends Liqui Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery: 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
  ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a 
 filter and drain plug.
 My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 
 4,000 miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be 
 slowing down.
 Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
 -Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

2016-02-09 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


On 09/02/2016 4:20 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.   I am running it through 
Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud in 
the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual change, I 
figure I will move to Delo synth.



clay



Will it ever run out clean on an annual change?
I run M1 in my late model truck and it gets dirty after about 5K miles.
Not horrible but bad enough that I change it about then.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

That m1 15w50 is not diesel rated is it? The Delo synthetic is as good as m1 as 
far as I can tell

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Why go to a cheaper/lower quality oil?
> I used 15w50 year round in the 240Ds since they both leaked less with it than 
> with 5w40. The 190Ds both got 5w40 since neither leaked terribly bad.When I 
> lived in the apartment and had the 240D in the winter 5w40 was critical...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: clay via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: clay 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
> 
> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
> 
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.
>> 
>>> On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car 
>>> Quest synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at 
>>> Autozone the other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal 
>>> so I grabbed a gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was 
>>> $24/gal...
>>> 
>>> The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only 
>>> stuff at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts 
>>> recommends Liqui Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery: 
>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
>>>  ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a 
>>> filter and drain plug.
>>> My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 
>>> 4,000 miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be slowing 
>>> down.
>>> Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>   From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercede

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Re: [MBZ] The epitome of MB quality, comfort, and engineering

I think the peak of MB design and engineering straddles the W116 and W126 
chassis’.

While I have never owned a W116, and am not terribly excited about their looks, 
they are very luxurious cars for the time and well appointed.  I would say the 
same about W126 cars as well, although they’re a bit more modern without being 
that much more complex.  I like the W126 design better, too, although there are 
those who might describe them as “boxy”.

The W140 is a close second, but it’s really in a class by itself.  Driving one 
of the W140s around the house then getting in one of the other cars (W220 or 
R129) makes the W140 seem so much more refined.  They’re tanks, for sure, but 
the solid build and classic design makes them very distinctive for their time.  
Everyone knows a W140 is a Mercedes, even without a tristar to  give it away.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

Depends on what engine for my Golf with the BEW engine, no.The BEW is a "Pump 
Deuse" with the injectors being fired by the cam shaft, no injection pump on 
that one. This puts extra load on each cam lobe, in this case convention oil = 
flat cam lobes and much sadness.
Also remember some of us drive a helluva lot more than others. With synthetic 
oil and 10k mile changes I change the oil in my car twice a year, her car and 
the pickup annually. At even 5k changes I'd be changing oil almost every month. 
If you really like changing oil knock yourself out. I suppose you use one of 
those places that has a nice waiting room with donuts, next time you're there 
have one for me. ;)
-Curt

  From: Randy Bennell 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
On 09/02/2016 5:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> They pulled the CF certification some time ago because it "was obsolete" 
> which I think is BS. I used it even after they'd pulled the certification and 
> the analysis came back the same as it did before.
> Have you had an analysis pulled on the Delo? Without analysis the only thing 
> you can really say is that the engine hasn't seized up yet, you don't really 
> know whats going on inside.
> I've softened considerably in my stance on oil, years ago I was hardcore for 
> M1. Only M1 5w40 ESP meets the VW spec for my Jetta and I can't find it 
> locally so I moved to the CarQuest brand which did sport the VW 501 I needed. 
> With that gone I'm back to M1, I refuse to pay huge money for oil for that 
> engine. M1 doesn't have the spec only because they haven't applied for it
> Where do you get Delo synthetic? I've never actually seen it for sale. If the 
> answer is Wal-Mart that'd explain it.
> -Curt
>
>
I doubt that synthetic oil is any better most of the time. It may be 
better on a cold start and maybe better on a really hot day when you are 
running the ac wide open etc.
Most of the time, we don't have those situations - at least here in the GWN.
I keep my truck plugged in over night when it is cold out so that should 
help some.

I blew a head gasket on a Taurus V6 years ago and had to pull it apart.
The inside of the engine was clean and showed no wear that I could see.
I don't recall the miles on the car but it was around a 100K miles.
It never saw a drop of synthetic oil.
The hype on synthetic makes us want it but you have to wonder if it is 
truly as great as they want us to think it is.
If you want to run higher miles between changes, maybe it is?
But, if you run less expensive oil, you can better afford to change it 
more often so it may not make much difference in the long run.

RB


   
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

I get it at Walmart 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> They pulled the CF certification some time ago because it "was obsolete" 
> which I think is BS. I used it even after they'd pulled the certification and 
> the analysis came back the same as it did before.
> Have you had an analysis pulled on the Delo? Without analysis the only thing 
> you can really say is that the engine hasn't seized up yet, you don't really 
> know whats going on inside.
> I've softened considerably in my stance on oil, years ago I was hardcore for 
> M1. Only M1 5w40 ESP meets the VW spec for my Jetta and I can't find it 
> locally so I moved to the CarQuest brand which did sport the VW 501 I needed. 
> With that gone I'm back to M1, I refuse to pay huge money for oil for that 
> engine. M1 doesn't have the spec only because they haven't applied for it
> Where do you get Delo synthetic? I've never actually seen it for sale. If the 
> answer is Wal-Mart that'd explain it.
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Kaleb C. Striplin 
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>  
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
> 
> That m1 15w50 is not diesel rated is it? The Delo synthetic is as good as m1 
> as far as I can tell
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Why go to a cheaper/lower quality oil?
>> I used 15w50 year round in the 240Ds since they both leaked less with it 
>> than with 5w40. The 190Ds both got 5w40 since neither leaked terribly 
>> bad.When I lived in the apartment and had the 240D in the winter 5w40 was 
>> critical...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   From: clay via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>> Cc: clay 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
>> 
>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.
>>> 
 On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car 
 Quest synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at 
 Autozone the other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal 
 so I grabbed a gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was 
 $24/gal...
 
 The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only 
 stuff at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts 
 recommends Liqui Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery: 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
  ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a 
 filter and drain plug.
 My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 
 4,000 miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be 
 slowing down.
 Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
 -Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

It is coming out black, but getting lighter with each change.  First change 
resulted in near immediate change to diesel black on the stick after ten miles. 
 Now it remains amber for far longer.  Since I am only getting 2500 miles per 
annum, I make sure if she goes out, she goes OUT! for a long drive at speed.  
Hot enough to deal with most condensation.I doubt I will get 'clean' at a 
change, I aim for deep maple instead of french roast, and slight opacity over 
occluded.

clay

On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

> On 09/02/2016 4:20 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.   I am running it through 
>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
> Will it ever run out clean on an annual change?
> I run M1 in my late model truck and it gets dirty after about 5K miles.
> Not horrible but bad enough that I change it about then.
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

New bottles don't have a C rating. I emailed Mobil and they claim it still 
meets CF but they dropped it because its obsolete. I seem to remember reading 
somewhere that once a standard was obsoleted the oil manufacturers weren't 
allowed to use it anymore which seems silly to me...
-Curt

  From: clay via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: clay 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
The labeling has changed look over the past decade.  It is being marketed as 
light truck diesel oil.  There should be ASTM stamp with a C rating.  I have 
not purchased in a few years as I am working through a few cases I had on hand 
for Gump and the E300D.

clay

On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> That m1 15w50 is not diesel rated is it? The Delo synthetic is as good as m1 
> as far as I can tell
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Why go to a cheaper/lower quality oil?
>> I used 15w50 year round in the 240Ds since they both leaked less with it 
>> than with 5w40. The 190Ds both got 5w40 since neither leaked terribly 
>> bad.When I lived in the apartment and had the 240D in the winter 5w40 was 
>> critical...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>    From: clay via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>> Cc: clay 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
>> 
>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.
>>> 
 On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car 
 Quest synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at 
 Autozone the other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal 
 so I grabbed a gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was 
 $24/gal...
 
 The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only 
 stuff at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts 
 recommends Liqui Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery: 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
  ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a 
 filter and drain plug.
 My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 
 4,000 miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be 
 slowing down.
 Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
 -Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

Have you had analysis done to know exactly what the schmoo is?
My '85 190D had high iron levels when I got it that went down with each 
subsequent oil change until it would stay normal through a 10,000 mile run. The 
previous owner was kinda on the sketchy side...
-Curt

  From: clay via Mercedes 
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Cc: clay 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
It is coming out black, but getting lighter with each change.  First change 
resulted in near immediate change to diesel black on the stick after ten miles. 
 Now it remains amber for far longer.  Since I am only getting 2500 miles per 
annum, I make sure if she goes out, she goes OUT! for a long drive at speed.  
Hot enough to deal with most condensation.    I doubt I will get 'clean' at a 
change, I aim for deep maple instead of french roast, and slight opacity over 
occluded.

clay

On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

> On 09/02/2016 4:20 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
> Will it ever run out clean on an annual change?
> I run M1 in my late model truck and it gets dirty after about 5K miles.
> Not horrible but bad enough that I change it about then.
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] The epitome of MB quality, comfort, and engineering

You are correct.  

I have not owned a W116, but, even in the PnP they scream quality and superior 
build quality.  Just close the door for that bank vault sound.  Parts are very 
viable after 40 years, where the W220 is junk plastic after a few years.  

The SDL was modern and tank like, but lacked that bank vault feel.  I felt the 
W124 was almost as good as the W126, just not as high quality.  The pinnacle 
was the W140.  It has that "not Screwing Around" feel the W116 has which is 
lacking in the 21st century S cars.I love driving the boy's car.  Makes you 
feel like this was a test bed for what the Maybach would be.

clay

On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> I think the peak of MB design and engineering straddles the W116 and W126 
> chassis’.
> 
> While I have never owned a W116, and am not terribly excited about their 
> looks, they are very luxurious cars for the time and well appointed.  I would 
> say the same about W126 cars as well, although they’re a bit more modern 
> without being that much more complex.  I like the W126 design better, too, 
> although there are those who might describe them as “boxy”.
> 
> The W140 is a close second, but it’s really in a class by itself.  Driving 
> one of the W140s around the house then getting in one of the other cars (W220 
> or R129) makes the W140 seem so much more refined.  They’re tanks, for sure, 
> but the solid build and classic design makes them very distinctive for their 
> time.  Everyone knows a W140 is a Mercedes, even without a tristar to  give 
> it away.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

So is the Delo synthetic best for engines like the OM603, or “regular” Delo 400 
LE 15W-40?

Aren’t there some issues with the proper amount or lack of zinc in some of the 
synthetics?

Dan


> On Feb 9, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have used M1 15w-50 in my OM602 for 10 years. I do a lot of highway
> driving so I like the 50. I change @ 11 or 12k. I add 1 qt ca 7k. I have
> put 140k on it using this. I use 5-40 in my OM617 & in the 616's I had.
> YMMV.
> I like an oil thread now & again.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 1990 300D
> Wickford RI
> On Feb 9, 2016 5:20 PM, "clay via Mercedes"  wrote:
> 
>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.   I am running it through
>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud
>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual
>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers


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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

Why go to a cheaper/lower quality oil?
I used 15w50 year round in the 240Ds since they both leaked less with it than 
with 5w40. The 190Ds both got 5w40 since neither leaked terribly bad.When I 
lived in the apartment and had the 240D in the winter 5w40 was critical...
-Curt

  From: clay via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: clay 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through Frosch 
for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud in the 
engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual change, I 
figure I will move to Delo synth.



clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.
> 
> On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car 
>> Quest synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at 
>> Autozone the other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal 
>> so I grabbed a gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was 
>> $24/gal...
>> 
>> The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only 
>> stuff at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts recommends 
>> Liqui Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery: 
>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
>>  ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a 
>> filter and drain plug.
>> My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 4,000 
>> miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be slowing down.
>> Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>      From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
>>  Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 6:36 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
>>    For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1 
>>turbo diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than M1 
>>and what I use.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616, and
>>> OM617.
>>> Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
>>> 
>>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] The epitome of MB quality, comfort, and engineering

And he’ll give it to his wife so it will get destroyed and then he can drive it.

See?  There’s some logic in there…..somewhere.

Dan



> On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You gonna buy a NEW car???  Who does that in this community.
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

I used the M1 stuff in the OM606 in the E300D.  It was the most current 
recommended for the car in 2013.  I had a few cases left on the shelf when I 
had to sell the car. Waste not, want not.

clay



On Feb 9, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

> Yabbut Bob's is a 210 or 211, OM 606.  those take differ'nt oil than the old 
> engines.
> 
>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.   I am running it through 
>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

2016-02-09 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

I have used M1 15w-50 in my OM602 for 10 years. I do a lot of highway
driving so I like the 50. I change @ 11 or 12k. I add 1 qt ca 7k. I have
put 140k on it using this. I use 5-40 in my OM617 & in the 616's I had.
YMMV.
I like an oil thread now & again.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Feb 9, 2016 5:20 PM, "clay via Mercedes"  wrote:

> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.   I am running it through
> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud
> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual
> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>
>
>
> clay
>
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>
> > Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.
> >
> > On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the
> Car Quest synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at
> Autozone the other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal
> so I grabbed a gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was
> $24/gal...
> >>
> >> The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only
> stuff at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts
> recommends Liqui Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery:
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
> ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a
> filter and drain plug.
> >> My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around
> 4,000 miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be slowing
> down.
> >> Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly
> contested...
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>   From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> >>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
> >>  Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 6:36 PM
> >>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
> >>For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be
> M1 turbo diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than
> M1 and what I use.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616,
> and
> >>> OM617.
> >>> Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
> >>>
> >>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Paint Question

Every instance of it I’ve found it’s been single stage, I just wanted to be 
sure.

Someone asked me about cleaning up a finish on a W126 that has it, and I was 
reluctant to give them advice not being sure if it was clear coated or not.

Thanks, everyone!

Dan


> On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:08 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I would doubt 040 was coated, as I found that it is not coated on the 300SE 
> W140.  I had to do a severe scuff coat (green pad, then 1000 thru 5000 grit) 
> to deal with pine sap eating through the paint.  Compound and polish to get 
> the shine back.  #1 boy sort of burnt through while buffing the hood.  Looked 
> single stage
> 
> clay
> 
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

How do you judge "dirty"?
I'm running most everything on a 10k change which is whats recommended in the 
VWs and what oil analysis supports in the Dodge Ram.
We know from our diesels that looking at the oil tells you nothing.
-Curt

  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Randy Bennell 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 6:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
On 09/02/2016 4:20 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>
>
>
> clay
>
>
Will it ever run out clean on an annual change?
I run M1 in my late model truck and it gets dirty after about 5K miles.
Not horrible but bad enough that I change it about then.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

2016-02-09 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


On 09/02/2016 5:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

They pulled the CF certification some time ago because it "was obsolete" which 
I think is BS. I used it even after they'd pulled the certification and the analysis came 
back the same as it did before.
Have you had an analysis pulled on the Delo? Without analysis the only thing 
you can really say is that the engine hasn't seized up yet, you don't really 
know whats going on inside.
I've softened considerably in my stance on oil, years ago I was hardcore for 
M1. Only M1 5w40 ESP meets the VW spec for my Jetta and I can't find it locally 
so I moved to the CarQuest brand which did sport the VW 501 I needed. With that 
gone I'm back to M1, I refuse to pay huge money for oil for that engine. M1 
doesn't have the spec only because they haven't applied for it
Where do you get Delo synthetic? I've never actually seen it for sale. If the 
answer is Wal-Mart that'd explain it.
-Curt


I doubt that synthetic oil is any better most of the time. It may be 
better on a cold start and maybe better on a really hot day when you are 
running the ac wide open etc.

Most of the time, we don't have those situations - at least here in the GWN.
I keep my truck plugged in over night when it is cold out so that should 
help some.


I blew a head gasket on a Taurus V6 years ago and had to pull it apart.
The inside of the engine was clean and showed no wear that I could see.
I don't recall the miles on the car but it was around a 100K miles.
It never saw a drop of synthetic oil.
The hype on synthetic makes us want it but you have to wonder if it is 
truly as great as they want us to think it is.

If you want to run higher miles between changes, maybe it is?
But, if you run less expensive oil, you can better afford to change it 
more often so it may not make much difference in the long run.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Barum tires


Well keep us updated


Yep, we wanna know what is the half-life of barum

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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

I am thinking the stuff will stick to the metal bits longer than the dino oil 
does.  SL does not get out much, so having that initial lubrication is a must 
at start up. The car had not been run much between 2002 and when I got her in 
2012.  Record showed she had service prior to that, but no indications of 
additives that would clean her up.  Mostly regular visits to lube joints.

clay



On Feb 9, 2016, at 4:09 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

> On 09/02/2016 5:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> They pulled the CF certification some time ago because it "was obsolete" 
>> which I think is BS. I used it even after they'd pulled the certification 
>> and the analysis came back the same as it did before.
>> Have you had an analysis pulled on the Delo? Without analysis the only thing 
>> you can really say is that the engine hasn't seized up yet, you don't really 
>> know whats going on inside.
>> I've softened considerably in my stance on oil, years ago I was hardcore for 
>> M1. Only M1 5w40 ESP meets the VW spec for my Jetta and I can't find it 
>> locally so I moved to the CarQuest brand which did sport the VW 501 I 
>> needed. With that gone I'm back to M1, I refuse to pay huge money for oil 
>> for that engine. M1 doesn't have the spec only because they haven't applied 
>> for it
>> Where do you get Delo synthetic? I've never actually seen it for sale. If 
>> the answer is Wal-Mart that'd explain it.
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
> I doubt that synthetic oil is any better most of the time. It may be better 
> on a cold start and maybe better on a really hot day when you are running the 
> ac wide open etc.
> Most of the time, we don't have those situations - at least here in the GWN.
> I keep my truck plugged in over night when it is cold out so that should help 
> some.
> 
> I blew a head gasket on a Taurus V6 years ago and had to pull it apart.
> The inside of the engine was clean and showed no wear that I could see.
> I don't recall the miles on the car but it was around a 100K miles.
> It never saw a drop of synthetic oil.
> The hype on synthetic makes us want it but you have to wonder if it is truly 
> as great as they want us to think it is.
> If you want to run higher miles between changes, maybe it is?
> But, if you run less expensive oil, you can better afford to change it more 
> often so it may not make much difference in the long run.
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

So is the Delo synthetic best for engines like the OM603, or 
"regular" Delo 400 LE 15W-40?


Aren't there some issues with the proper amount or lack of zinc in 
some of the synthetics?


Dan



We need to contact Larry our oil expert.  He was having trouble with 
his comcast email.  I don't think he ever got a gmail acct to set 
things right.   He could answer the zinc questions.


Last I knew only the M1 15w50 had the right zinc levels for the 
OM603/2/1 engines. (among commonly available oils)


It is hard to find even at mercado de walls nowdays.

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Re: [MBZ] The epitome of MB quality, comfort, and engineering

Owning a W220, I would venture to say that anything Mercedes built from 2000 
until at least 2005 is (excuse me) a piece of shit.  The first time my youngest 
son sat in the S430, the first words out of his mouth were, “Look, the dash is 
pleather!”  I have to agree.  The interiors are plasticky and even the wood, if 
it is in fact real, looks cheap.  Reliability is questionable and the inclusion 
of the early CANBUS systems and D2B for telematics makes these cars a form of 
one-off that you can’t do much with if something goes south.  That’s what 
scares me about mine.

I would challenge the statement about the cost of a W140 and their longevity.  
I’ve had two, one that still in service, that approached or are approaching 
300k.  Neither one has or had required any major service.  The M119 engine is 
pretty darned bulletproof, and can get decent gas mileage if you can keep your 
foot from pounding the accelerator to the floor like the wife does.  I 
routinely got at or over 20 mpg in Tommy’s former 1998 S420 despite it having 
275k on the clock.  And that’s driving a 50-50 mix of highway and surface 
streets.  The W140 is not, by any sense of the description, a W126.  But I 
would consider it in the list near the top, for sure.

SLKs?  HAHAHAHAHAHA!

I guy I work with got all moist over his friend’s 2003 SLK 230.  The friend was 
the original owner, and he sold it to the guy I work with for his kids to drive 
for $3000.  That thing was a piece of crap.  His kids wouldn’t even drive it.  
And it was in very good condition and well cared for, it wasn’t a beater by any 
means.  It was just a cheap, cheesy car for what it was, nothing at all with 
the distinction of a Mercedes.  Not to mention that 2.3 liter engine was really 
lousy.

I see lots of them down here for cheap.  My dealer guy says they won’t even 
take them on trade, as they can’t get anything for them at the auction.

Dan

> On Feb 9, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I could make an argument that the SS/SSK and the 600 were the peaks.
> 
> But the 116 and 126 are right up there.  The 140 is not the kind of car that 
> can survive well hundreds of miles from the nearest stealer, like the 116 and 
> 126 can.  140 is more expensive per mile to own and maintain.  The values are 
> apparent in the used car values.  Pre 1992 cars  maintianed value much better 
> than 1992 on.  I saw a couple of SLKs sold on fleabay for $2k or less.  Those 
> are not that old.  A good 123 will bring more than that.   140s are selling 
> for less than 126s.

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Re: [MBZ] Airbag recall SAFETY: It's not an Oil Thread

2016-02-09 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

According to what I read, the recalls were all for Takata airbags.
Here is the NHTSAs list of all Takata recalls by model and year:

http://www.safercar.gov/rs/takata/takatalist.html

Gerry
~~~
On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 19:40:53 -0600
Curly McLain via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> http://www.autonews.com/article/20160209/COPY01/302099965?template=mobile=1
> 
> So far there is no mention of what years or models.
> 
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[MBZ] BBA Remanufacturing & Top Controller

Got the top controller installed.

It was a bit of a PITA having to pull the hard top and raise the soft top 
manually, but I got it done.  I was a little concerned, as when you raise the 
soft top manually you can't lock the rear of the top down - the rear latches 
only lock using hydraulic pressure.

Anyway, I got everything in place as the instructions specified, did the 
windows up/down, and turned off the key.  I turned it back on, pushed on the 
top button, and everything worked as expected with no funky roll bar action, 
yellow warning light, or blinking roll bar switch LEDs.

In other words, everything appears to be working as designed!  Now I just need 
the wife to drive aggressively as she does so well and get the roll bar to 
deploy on its own.

I warned her about this and that she would probably soil herself if it happens, 
but she doesn't think so.

We'll see.

So all in all, the experience with BBA Remanufacturing was a positive one and I 
wouldn't hesitate to use them again.

Dan
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[MBZ] Not an Oil Thread - Mann vs. Mahle

2016-02-09 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes

Dan, 
I always used Mann in both my 617s and they've kept the engines clean. Although 
the last few changes I've used STP oil filters. I know it sounds strange, but 
when removed the paper held up good and the filter was full of soot just like 
the Mann filters always were, and they look remarkably like a Mann filter. I 
can't find Mann locally and one of the macparts stores carries the STP filters 
at a reasonable price so I don't have to plan ahead and order Mann on the web. 
I tried a couple of other brands but the paper never seemed to hold up as well. 
Just some info, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] The epitome of MB quality, comfort, and engineering

Aren't 123 and 126 axles interchangeable with 116?  For the later 
126, you'd need to get the stubs that are held in the Diff with the 
same clips as the 116/123 axles.




Dan,
I understand your liking the 126. I almost got one about 20 years 
ago when I got my 123, but I wanted something a little smaller for 
around Atlanta traffic. About 6 months earlier I had acquired the 
116 for my wife as all of its metal made me feel better about her 
safety. The only things that have ever been negatives to me about 
the 126 was first, all the plastic sides and bumpers, and second the 
seats which just don't match a 116 or seem to last as long...I've 
seen lots of seam ripping, etc. If I can find some rear half axles, 
I'll probably keep my 116 awhile longer, but parts are getting more 
scarce...at least reasonably priced parts. I'll probably sell my 
1983 300D this yeartoo many vehicles for just the wife and I. 
It's only a baby with 360,000 miles.

Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] Fun W/Craigslist

I have to admit that nearly 99% of my CL transactions have been good and the 
people pretty sane and decent.  I sold a MacBook Pro to a teenage kid from 
Sarasota a couple of months ago, and the way I presented probably made them 
think I was some sort of a weirdo.  Minimal conversation, burner email account, 
meet me at a busy gas station next to the interstate, etc.

Once I meet up I immediately explain myself and everybody seems to understand.  
I think there’s always a collective sigh of relief by both parties when the 
other guy turns out to be pretty normal.

I do my best to be truthful and go into great detail in my ads so the buyer 
knows I’m not some fly by nighter, too.

Dan

> On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:29 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I sold a boat prop last week, first sale on CL for me.  It sold in less than 
> 24 hours.  The guy who bought it presented himself well in email and on the 
> phone.  I should not have had him come to the house, newbie mistake, but no 
> harm came of it.  He was very excited to get it, showed up with cash, tried 
> to bargain a little but I pointed out how my asking price was about half the 
> going price on eBay.  I held firm, he paid and left with the prop, and I took 
> down the ad.
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

I have not done any analysis since there is so little use on the car, and I 
want to see how much hope and change I get with each oil swap.  I would 
probably send it in at the last M1 drain, and then again the next swap out with 
less expensive goo.  

clay

On Feb 9, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

> Have you had analysis done to know exactly what the schmoo is?
> My '85 190D had high iron levels when I got it that went down with each 
> subsequent oil change until it would stay normal through a 10,000 mile run. 
> The previous owner was kinda on the sketchy side...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: clay via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: clay 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
> 
> It is coming out black, but getting lighter with each change.  First change 
> resulted in near immediate change to diesel black on the stick after ten 
> miles.  Now it remains amber for far longer.  Since I am only getting 2500 
> miles per annum, I make sure if she goes out, she goes OUT! for a long drive 
> at speed.  Hot enough to deal with most condensation.I doubt I will get 
> 'clean' at a change, I aim for deep maple instead of french roast, and slight 
> opacity over occluded.
> 
> clay
> 
> On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> On 09/02/2016 4:20 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
>>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
>>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
>>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 
>> Will it ever run out clean on an annual change?
>> I run M1 in my late model truck and it gets dirty after about 5K miles.
>> Not horrible but bad enough that I change it about then.
>> 
>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

Hmmm, so it still rates as Compression grade, just not visible on the bottle



On Feb 9, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

> New bottles don't have a C rating. I emailed Mobil and they claim it still 
> meets CF but they dropped it because its obsolete. I seem to remember reading 
> somewhere that once a standard was obsoleted the oil manufacturers weren't 
> allowed to use it anymore which seems silly to me...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: clay via Mercedes 
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> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
> 
> The labeling has changed look over the past decade.  It is being marketed as 
> light truck diesel oil.  There should be ASTM stamp with a C rating.  I have 
> not purchased in a few years as I am working through a few cases I had on 
> hand for Gump and the E300D.
> 
> clay
> 
> On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> That m1 15w50 is not diesel rated is it? The Delo synthetic is as good as m1 
>> as far as I can tell
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why go to a cheaper/lower quality oil?
>>> I used 15w50 year round in the 240Ds since they both leaked less with it 
>>> than with 5w40. The 190Ds both got 5w40 since neither leaked terribly 
>>> bad.When I lived in the apartment and had the 240D in the winter 5w40 was 
>>> critical...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> From: clay via Mercedes 
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>>> Cc: clay 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
>>> 
>>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
>>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
>>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
>>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay 
>>> 
>>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 
 Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.
 
> On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car 
> Quest synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at 
> Autozone the other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for 
> $25/gal so I grabbed a gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff 
> because it was $24/gal...
> 
> The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only 
> stuff at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts 
> recommends Liqui Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery: 
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
>  ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a 
> filter and drain plug.
> My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 
> 4,000 miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be 
> slowing down.
> Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
> -Curt
> 
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

I think the zinc is a bigger issue for the older cars that used to run on 
leaded, or diesels.  The newer stuff probably does not need that formulation.  
I seem to recall Marshall saying that the OM603 was not dependent on the older 
formulations and the current (2004 era) oils were just fine.  I have no idea 
what the newest oils lack or provide

clay



On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> So is the Delo synthetic best for engines like the OM603, or “regular” Delo 
> 400 LE 15W-40?
> 
> Aren’t there some issues with the proper amount or lack of zinc in some of 
> the synthetics?
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have used M1 15w-50 in my OM602 for 10 years. I do a lot of highway
>> driving so I like the 50. I change @ 11 or 12k. I add 1 qt ca 7k. I have
>> put 140k on it using this. I use 5-40 in my OM617 & in the 616's I had.
>> YMMV.
>> I like an oil thread now & again.
>> 
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
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>> 1990 300D
>> Wickford RI
>> On Feb 9, 2016 5:20 PM, "clay via Mercedes"  wrote:
>> 
>>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.   I am running it through
>>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud
>>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual
>>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
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Re: [MBZ] The epitome of MB quality, comfort, and engineering

I track the values because #1 boy is still dealing with system failures due to 
age.  Valuations seem to have hit bottom with the real junkers getting ready to 
hit the parts yards.  The few shining examples are still asking decent prices.  
An S600 will likely never be collectable given the problematic V12 and the 
highly complex sub systems.   

A pretty normal guy can bring a 6.3 or 6.9 car back to drivable, but all the 
magic computers needed for a V12 just does not pencil out.

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On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

> I could make an argument that the SS/SSK and the 600 were the peaks.
> 
> But the 116 and 126 are right up there.  The 140 is not the kind of car that 
> can survive well hundreds of miles from the nearest stealer, like the 116 and 
> 126 can.  140 is more expensive per mile to own and maintain.  The values are 
> apparent in the used car values.  Pre 1992 cars  maintianed value much better 
> than 1992 on.  I saw a couple of SLKs sold on fleabay for $2k or less.  Those 
> are not that old.  A good 123 will bring more than that.   140s are selling 
> for less than 126s.
> 
>> I think the peak of MB design and engineering straddles the W116 and W126 
>> chassis'.
>> 
>> While I have never owned a W116, and am not terribly excited about their 
>> looks, they are very luxurious cars for the time and well appointed.  I 
>> would say the same about W126 cars as well, although they're a bit more 
>> modern without being that much more complex.  I like the W126 design better, 
>> too, although there are those who might describe them as "boxy".
>> 
>> The W140 is a close second, but it's really in a class by itself. Driving 
>> one of the W140s around the house then getting in one of the other cars 
>> (W220 or R129) makes the W140 seem so much more refined. They're tanks, for 
>> sure, but the solid build and classic design makes them very distinctive for 
>> their time.  Everyone knows a W140 is a Mercedes, even without a tristar to  
>> give it away.
>> 
>> Dan
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[MBZ] Not an Oil Thread - Mann vs. Mahle

Is one any better than the other?  Why?

I’m just curious.  I use mostly Mann on everything I own, but I understand that 
Mahle is considered an equal as far as OEM, I believe.

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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

If you only change the oil once a year you realize you'll be saving maybe $10 a 
year right?
-Curt


  From: clay 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 8:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
I have not done any analysis since there is so little use on the car, and I 
want to see how much hope and change I get with each oil swap.  I would 
probably send it in at the last M1 drain, and then again the next swap out with 
less expensive goo.  

clay

On Feb 9, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

> Have you had analysis done to know exactly what the schmoo is?
> My '85 190D had high iron levels when I got it that went down with each 
> subsequent oil change until it would stay normal through a 10,000 mile run. 
> The previous owner was kinda on the sketchy side...
> -Curt
> 
>      From: clay via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: clay 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
> 
> It is coming out black, but getting lighter with each change.  First change 
> resulted in near immediate change to diesel black on the stick after ten 
> miles.  Now it remains amber for far longer.  Since I am only getting 2500 
> miles per annum, I make sure if she goes out, she goes OUT! for a long drive 
> at speed.  Hot enough to deal with most condensation.    I doubt I will get 
> 'clean' at a change, I aim for deep maple instead of french roast, and slight 
> opacity over occluded.
> 
> clay
> 
> On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> On 09/02/2016 4:20 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
>>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
>>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
>>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 
>> Will it ever run out clean on an annual change?
>> I run M1 in my late model truck and it gets dirty after about 5K miles.
>> Not horrible but bad enough that I change it about then.
>> 
>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Not an Oil Thread - Mann vs. Mahle

I tried different filters some years ago and never saw any difference. On an 
OM6xx the Car Quest filter's o-ring didn't fit right but other than that I 
never saw any problems there either.
IIRC Loren says Mann filters are required for 124 transmissions.

-Curt

  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes List  
Cc: Dan Penoff 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:12 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Not an Oil Thread - Mann vs. Mahle

Is one any better than the other?  Why?

I’m just curious.  I use mostly Mann on everything I own, but I understand that 
Mahle is considered an equal as far as OEM, I believe.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

The 60x engines are far from the flat tappet engines of yesteryear. I was 
thinking MAYBE the 61x engines might benefit 

As of Sept 14 Mobil says the 15w50 has 1300ppm zinc while the 5w40 turbo diesel 
truck has 1250ppm. Not a big difference. 0w40 comes in at 1100. The lowest are 
the fuel economy ones at 750ppm.
https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-product-specs-guide.pdf
-Curt


  From: Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 8:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
>So is the Delo synthetic best for engines like the OM603, or 
>"regular" Delo 400 LE 15W-40?
>
>Aren't there some issues with the proper amount or lack of zinc in 
>some of the synthetics?
>
>Dan
>

We need to contact Larry our oil expert.  He was having trouble with 
his comcast email.  I don't think he ever got a gmail acct to set 
things right.  He could answer the zinc questions.

Last I knew only the M1 15w50 had the right zinc levels for the 
OM603/2/1 engines. (among commonly available oils)

It is hard to find even at mercado de walls nowdays.

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Re: [MBZ] Not an Oil Thread - Mann vs. Mahle

All I know is that FLAPS filters are junk that does not have all the required 
bits.  In a pinch, I purchased a FLAPS filter because I did not have a MANN on 
hand.  It was missing the bottom O rings and meant for maybe another example of 
the car.  I had to wait two days for the proper filter to show up with the oil 
out of the car so I could finish the job.  I have not had issue with either 
Mahle or MANN

clay

On Feb 9, 2016, at 6:18 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

> I tried different filters some years ago and never saw any difference. On an 
> OM6xx the Car Quest filter's o-ring didn't fit right but other than that I 
> never saw any problems there either.
> IIRC Loren says Mann filters are required for 124 transmissions.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
>  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes List  
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:12 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] Not an Oil Thread - Mann vs. Mahle
> 
> Is one any better than the other?  Why?
> 
> I’m just curious.  I use mostly Mann on everything I own, but I understand 
> that Mahle is considered an equal as far as OEM, I believe.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Barum tires

2016-02-09 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 21:03:09 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
 wrote:

> A very helpful email indeed.

Thank you!


Craig


> Bob R
> On Feb 9, 2016 8:14 PM, "Craig via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 15:47:05 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > So what did we figure out on those tires? I see them on discount
> > > tire for the 210 chassis for $68
> >
> > They are made by a Czechoslovakian company in cooperation with
> > Continental Tire. I sent a long email about them.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] The epitome of MB quality, comfort, and engineering

I do not find them to be anymore expensive to maintain than a 126, and 
they are still very DIY friendly


On 2/9/2016 7:35 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

I could make an argument that the SS/SSK and the 600 were the peaks.

But the 116 and 126 are right up there.  The 140 is not the kind of 
car that can survive well hundreds of miles from the nearest stealer, 
like the 116 and 126 can.  140 is more expensive per mile to own and 
maintain.  The values are apparent in the used car values.  Pre 1992 
cars  maintianed value much better than 1992 on.  I saw a couple of 
SLKs sold on fleabay for $2k or less. Those are not that old.  A good 
123 will bring more than that. 140s are selling for less than 126s.


I think the peak of MB design and engineering straddles the W116 and 
W126 chassis'.


While I have never owned a W116, and am not terribly excited about 
their looks, they are very luxurious cars for the time and well 
appointed.  I would say the same about W126 cars as well, although 
they're a bit more modern without being that much more complex.  I 
like the W126 design better, too, although there are those who might 
describe them as "boxy".


The W140 is a close second, but it's really in a class by itself. 
Driving one of the W140s around the house then getting in one of the 
other cars (W220 or R129) makes the W140 seem so much more refined. 
They're tanks, for sure, but the solid build and classic design makes 
them very distinctive for their time. Everyone knows a W140 is a 
Mercedes, even without a tristar to give it away.


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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

It gets really expensive to run the M1 for such low miles.  Froggy is classic 
car plated, so very little usage with annual oil change.   If I had an old 
diesel (like a 220D) I would consider sharing it out, since it would have less 
than 2500 miles wear.

clay



On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

> Why go to a cheaper/lower quality oil?
> I used 15w50 year round in the 240Ds since they both leaked less with it than 
> with 5w40. The 190Ds both got 5w40 since neither leaked terribly bad.When I 
> lived in the apartment and had the 240D in the winter 5w40 was critical...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: clay via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: clay 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
> 
> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
> 
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.
>> 
>> On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car 
>>> Quest synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at 
>>> Autozone the other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal 
>>> so I grabbed a gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was 
>>> $24/gal...
>>> 
>>> The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only 
>>> stuff at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts 
>>> recommends Liqui Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery: 
>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
>>>  ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a 
>>> filter and drain plug.
>>> My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 
>>> 4,000 miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be slowing 
>>> down.
>>> Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>   From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>   To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
>>>   Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 6:36 PM
>>>   Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
>>> For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1 
>>> turbo diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than M1 
>>> and what I use.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616, and
 OM617.
 Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
 
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I concur.  The W220 is crap.  The Mercedes-Chrysler era cars are junk.  
Compromises from looking for the lowest common denominator to blend the brands. 
 The Chryslers were not of higher quality, but the Benz examples really did 
suffer.I think DBAG saw they had a steaming pile of poop on their hands, 
and dumped Chrysler in an attempt to elevate the quality of the Mercedes line.  
Sadly, I think the current design team is carrying on the tradition of cost 
cutting and compromise.  Accountants are building the cars over the insights 
engineers and car guys bring to the table.

The W210 and the C series cars on are really made of the same low grade 
materials.  Hitting the PnP before Cash for klunkers was great, as you knew you 
would find all manner of quality parts to salvage.  Each model was pretty good. 
 Current cars are pretty much Kia or Ford quality, but with a silver star.  The 
ML is no worse than the 280C, which is no better than a W220 or W221.

clay


On Feb 9, 2016, at 6:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> Owning a W220, I would venture to say that anything Mercedes built from 2000 
> until at least 2005 is (excuse me) a piece of shit.  The first time my 
> youngest son sat in the S430, the first words out of his mouth were, “Look, 
> the dash is pleather!”  I have to agree.  The interiors are plasticky and 
> even the wood, if it is in fact real, looks cheap.  Reliability is 
> questionable and the inclusion of the early CANBUS systems and D2B for 
> telematics makes these cars a form of one-off that you can’t do much with if 
> something goes south.  That’s what scares me about mine.
> 
> I would challenge the statement about the cost of a W140 and their longevity. 
>  I’ve had two, one that still in service, that approached or are approaching 
> 300k.  Neither one has or had required any major service.  The M119 engine is 
> pretty darned bulletproof, and can get decent gas mileage if you can keep 
> your foot from pounding the accelerator to the floor like the wife does.  I 
> routinely got at or over 20 mpg in Tommy’s former 1998 S420 despite it having 
> 275k on the clock.  And that’s driving a 50-50 mix of highway and surface 
> streets.  The W140 is not, by any sense of the description, a W126.  But I 
> would consider it in the list near the top, for sure.
> 
> SLKs?  HAHAHAHAHAHA!
> 
> I guy I work with got all moist over his friend’s 2003 SLK 230.  The friend 
> was the original owner, and he sold it to the guy I work with for his kids to 
> drive for $3000.  That thing was a piece of crap.  His kids wouldn’t even 
> drive it.  And it was in very good condition and well cared for, it wasn’t a 
> beater by any means.  It was just a cheap, cheesy car for what it was, 
> nothing at all with the distinction of a Mercedes.  Not to mention that 2.3 
> liter engine was really lousy.
> 
> I see lots of them down here for cheap.  My dealer guy says they won’t even 
> take them on trade, as they can’t get anything for them at the auction.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I could make an argument that the SS/SSK and the 600 were the peaks.
>> 
>> But the 116 and 126 are right up there.  The 140 is not the kind of car that 
>> can survive well hundreds of miles from the nearest stealer, like the 116 
>> and 126 can.  140 is more expensive per mile to own and maintain.  The 
>> values are apparent in the used car values.  Pre 1992 cars  maintianed value 
>> much better than 1992 on.  I saw a couple of SLKs sold on fleabay for $2k or 
>> less.  Those are not that old.  A good 123 will bring more than that.   140s 
>> are selling for less than 126s.
> 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Barum tires

2016-02-09 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 15:47:05 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> So what did we figure out on those tires? I see them on discount tire
> for the 210 chassis for $68

They are made by a Czechoslovakian company in cooperation with
Continental Tire. I sent a long email about them.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Barum tires

2016-02-09 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes

A very helpful email indeed.

Bob R
On Feb 9, 2016 8:14 PM, "Craig via Mercedes"  wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 15:47:05 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
>
> > So what did we figure out on those tires? I see them on discount tire
> > for the 210 chassis for $68
>
> They are made by a Czechoslovakian company in cooperation with
> Continental Tire. I sent a long email about them.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

2016-02-09 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> Randy wrote:
> 
> I doubt that synthetic oil is any better most of the time.

Not true.  Especially a group IV synthetic.  The point of the
synthetic is the lack "junk".  All the oil molecules are the
chosen ones - not just a majority like a typical dino oil.

> If you want to run higher miles between changes, maybe it
> is? But, if you run less expensive oil, you can better
> afford to change it more often so it may not make much
> difference in the long run.

Marshall had proven to himself that with M1 the timing chain
didn't have measurable wear.  I can buy M1 for twice the
price of dino and confidently have twice the miles between
changes.  But I gain cold start and less wear with the M1 -
so why not?

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[MBZ] Airbag recall SAFETY: It's not an Oil Thread


http://www.autonews.com/article/20160209/COPY01/302099965?template=mobile=1

So far there is no mention of what years or models.

Borrowed from MBCA Hawaii Section facilbuch.

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Re: [MBZ] The epitome of MB quality, comfort, and engineering


I could make an argument that the SS/SSK and the 600 were the peaks.

But the 116 and 126 are right up there.  The 140 is not the kind of 
car that can survive well hundreds of miles from the nearest stealer, 
like the 116 and 126 can.  140 is more expensive per mile to own and 
maintain.  The values are apparent in the used car values.  Pre 1992 
cars  maintianed value much better than 1992 on.  I saw a couple of 
SLKs sold on fleabay for $2k or less.  Those are not that old.  A 
good 123 will bring more than that.   140s are selling for less than 
126s.


I think the peak of MB design and engineering straddles the W116 and 
W126 chassis'.


While I have never owned a W116, and am not terribly excited about 
their looks, they are very luxurious cars for the time and well 
appointed.  I would say the same about W126 cars as well, although 
they're a bit more modern without being that much more complex.  I 
like the W126 design better, too, although there are those who might 
describe them as "boxy".


The W140 is a close second, but it's really in a class by itself. 
Driving one of the W140s around the house then getting in one of the 
other cars (W220 or R129) makes the W140 seem so much more refined. 
They're tanks, for sure, but the solid build and classic design 
makes them very distinctive for their time.  Everyone knows a W140 
is a Mercedes, even without a tristar to  give it away.


Dan



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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

ZDDP only really matters in flat tappet engines.
AFAIK diesel oils are generally high ZDDP oils...
-Curt


  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes List  
Cc: Dan Penoff 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 8:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
So is the Delo synthetic best for engines like the OM603, or “regular” Delo 400 
LE 15W-40?

Aren’t there some issues with the proper amount or lack of zinc in some of the 
synthetics?

Dan


> On Feb 9, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have used M1 15w-50 in my OM602 for 10 years. I do a lot of highway
> driving so I like the 50. I change @ 11 or 12k. I add 1 qt ca 7k. I have
> put 140k on it using this. I use 5-40 in my OM617 & in the 616's I had.
> YMMV.
> I like an oil thread now & again.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 1990 300D
> Wickford RI
> On Feb 9, 2016 5:20 PM, "clay via Mercedes"  wrote:
> 
>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through
>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud
>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual
>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers


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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

The less expensive oil comes to $0.01 per mile driven, instead of $0.24 with 
M1.  That is around $30 between not M1 and Mobil 1 for a change if I never 
drove the SL at all.  On a higher mileage basis, I would probably be even, 
doing two low cost oil changes to one M1 fill.

clay



On Feb 9, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

> If you only change the oil once a year you realize you'll be saving maybe $10 
> a year right?
> -Curt
> 
> 
>  From: clay 
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>  
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 8:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
> 
> I have not done any analysis since there is so little use on the car, and I 
> want to see how much hope and change I get with each oil swap.  I would 
> probably send it in at the last M1 drain, and then again the next swap out 
> with less expensive goo.  
> 
> clay
> 
> On Feb 9, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> Have you had analysis done to know exactly what the schmoo is?
>> My '85 190D had high iron levels when I got it that went down with each 
>> subsequent oil change until it would stay normal through a 10,000 mile run. 
>> The previous owner was kinda on the sketchy side...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   From: clay via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>> Cc: clay 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
>> 
>> It is coming out black, but getting lighter with each change.  First change 
>> resulted in near immediate change to diesel black on the stick after ten 
>> miles.  Now it remains amber for far longer.  Since I am only getting 2500 
>> miles per annum, I make sure if she goes out, she goes OUT! for a long drive 
>> at speed.  Hot enough to deal with most condensation.I doubt I will get 
>> 'clean' at a change, I aim for deep maple instead of french roast, and 
>> slight opacity over occluded.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> On 09/02/2016 4:20 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
 I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
 Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of 
 crud in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the 
 annual change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
 
 
 
 clay
 
 
>>> Will it ever run out clean on an annual change?
>>> I run M1 in my late model truck and it gets dirty after about 5K miles.
>>> Not horrible but bad enough that I change it about then.
>>> 
>>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] The epitome of MB quality, comfort, and engineering

2016-02-09 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes

Dan, 
I understand your liking the 126. I almost got one about 20 years ago when I 
got my 123, but I wanted something a little smaller for around Atlanta traffic. 
About 6 months earlier I had acquired the 116 for my wife as all of its metal 
made me feel better about her safety. The only things that have ever been 
negatives to me about the 126 was first, all the plastic sides and bumpers, and 
second the seats which just don't match a 116 or seem to last as long...I've 
seen lots of seam ripping, etc. If I can find some rear half axles, I'll 
probably keep my 116 awhile longer, but parts are getting more scarce...at 
least reasonably priced parts. I'll probably sell my 1983 300D this yeartoo 
many vehicles for just the wife and I. It's only a baby with 360,000 miles. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Not an Oil Thread - Mann vs. Mahle

2016-02-09 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

Just be sure they weren't made in India. I ordered a case of German branded 
filters that were made in India. When I tapped them on the bench, small pieces 
of something that looked like soft wood came out. I called the seller who 
insisted they were okay. I told her to get one out the warehouse and tap it on 
the desk like I did. It also had the tiny pieces of wood. She refunded my money 
with no complaint after that. I've strictly used Mann ever since.
Gerry

rogerhga--- via Mercedes  wrote:
> Dan, 
> I always used Mann in both my 617s and they've kept the engines clean. 
> Although the last few changes I've used STP oil filters. I know it sounds 
> strange, but when removed the paper held up good and the filter was full of 
> soot just like the Mann filters always were, and they look remarkably like a 
> Mann filter. I can't find Mann locally and one of the macparts stores carries 
> the STP filters at a reasonable price so I don't have to plan ahead and order 
> Mann on the web. I tried a couple of other brands but the paper never seemed 
> to hold up as well. 
> Just some info, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

2016-02-09 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

What does any of this have to do with the Continuing Crisis (aka politics)?  Or 
Guns?

Hard to believe...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] The epitome of MB quality, comfort, and engineering

I saw a couple of the new S diesels a year or so ago, I think they use 
the "350 Bluetec" like is in our ML350 Bluetec.  That engine puts out 
some good torks, moves the ML right along.  I drove a GL350 Bt dizzel 
along with the ML, the GL seemed a little slower and struggling but 
moved OK just not as peppy as the ML.  Weight difference I suppose.  The 
S should move along OK too, I have not driven the new S but wondered how 
a new S dizzel would compare to previous S dizzels in the terms as 
stated above.


--R

On 2/9/16 10:29 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote:

Peter,
My 1980 300SD was sold in the Atlanta area and has spent its entire life in 
Georgia. It has rarely ever been exposed to salt. Hence, the body is in 
excellent shape. I had the leather and seat pads redone about 18 years ago and 
they are still fine. It starts a little slow when it's below 30 degrees, but 
starts fine in warmer weather. It still has good power/acceleration and is a 
joy to drive. If you like your 87, I'd fix it up. I'm sure it still has better 
material in it than the new models.
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] Something for Martha


Good grammer is impotent

--R

On 2/9/16 10:40 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Whatever hapened to good gramar and speling?

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
> wrote:


"someone who knows what there doing"

As long as there not loosers

--R

On 2/8/16 10:03 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/cto/5415121727.html

Maybe Poos needs a new toy to add to the collection.  Not sure
I could get it all the way to Tampa, but worth a try

not mine, no interest


clay

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1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] 1985 FL 300TD sold on ebay a few minutes ago

2016-02-09 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes

New breaks!

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 7:39 AM
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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: [MBZ] 1985 FL 300TD sold on ebay a few minutes ago

Pretty much a poorly maintained example of the beloved 123 300TD turbo
wagon.  To his credit, the seller disclosed everything - good, bad and
ugly.  Watch the video for a hilarious hula dance demo by the air cleaner
assembly.

Sold at $2,499 with only 2 bids.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-W123-/321996846506?forcerrp
tr=true=item4af881f5aa:g:gNsAAOSwa-dWm~0g=321996846506
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Houdini lock lube


You need a new SWMBO

--R

On 2/8/16 10:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

N.E. should get ready for a major storm followed by frigidity



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[MBZ] Replacement Leather