Re: [MBZ] OT: Win 7 and svchost

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I'm currently loading Windows 3.1 ... have been since 1987... as soon as it
finishes.. I plan to update to Windows 7...

{Sarcasm off }

"How can anything that works so poorly be the most popular software in the
world and make Bill Gates the worlds richest man?"




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On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 9:02 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 23:35:11 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Attaboy.  I don't know why this works but it does (worked twice for me
> > too). I was almost ready to junk the computer when I found the thread
> > and tried it.  I guess we both owe Canadian Tech.
>
> Yes, we do. And I owe you, too, for telling me of it.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] VW to offer to buy back nearly 500,000 U.S. diesel cars

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

The problem with this and many other articles is that the underlying 
premises are wrong.


Therefore, "much ado about nothing."   (I think some famous guy said 
that a long time ago)






European diesel car boom

Abstract

Background
On the way to a more sustainable society, transport needs to be 
urgently optimized regarding energy consumption and pollution 
control. While in earlier decades, Europe followed automobile 
technology leaps initiated in the USA, it has decoupled itself for 
20 years by focusing research capacity towards the diesel 
powertrain. The resulting technology shift has led to some 45 
million extra diesel cars in Europe. Its outcome in terms of health 
and environmental effects are as follows:


Expected greenhouse gas savings initiated by the shift to diesel 
cars have been overestimated. Only about one tenth of overall energy 
efficiency improvements of passenger cars can be attributed to it. 
These minor savings are on the other hand overcompensated by a 
significant increase of supply chain CO2 emissions and extensive 
black carbon emissions of diesel cars without particulate filter. We 
conclude that the European diesel car boom did not cool down the 
atmosphere.


Moreover, toxic NO x emissions of diesel cars have been 
underestimated up to 20-fold in officially announced data. The 
voluntary agreement signed in 1998 between the European Automobile 
industry and the European Commission envisaging to reduce CO2 
emissions has been identified as elementary for the ensuing European 
diesel car boom. Four factors have been quantified in order to 
explain very different dieselization rates across Europe: impact of 
national car/supplier industry, ecological modernization, fuel 
tourism and corporatist political governance.


By comparing the European diesel strategy to the Japanese 
petrol-hybrid avenue, it becomes clear that a different road would 
have both more effectively reduced CO2 emissions and pollutants.


http://enveurope.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/2190-4715-25-15
~~~
Mercedes Is Being Sued Over Alleged Emissions-Cheating Diesels

Bloomberg.com reports that a federal lawsuit was filed on Thursday 
accusing Mercedes-Benz of using a defeat device in its 
BlueTec-equipped diesel vehicles. The lawsuit, filed in New Jersey, 
alleges that the Mercedes vehicles in question turn off their 
pollution controls at ambient temperatures below 50 degrees 
Fahrenheit, allowing the vehicles to put out far more than the legal 
limit of nitrogen oxide and other pollutants. The suit names the 
diesel-powered ML320, ML350, E-Class, S-Class, and GLE among the 
affected vehicles.


http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/news/a28228/now-mercedes-is-being-sued-over-alleged-emissions-cheating-diesels/



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Re: [MBZ] VW to offer to buy back nearly 500,000 U.S. diesel cars

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Karl Wittnebel wrote:
> We have a 2014 touareg. Wish they would just pay the feds and leave me out of 
> it. So far no action on the 3l motors anyway. 
> My german mechanic says german papers are reporting that all of the diesel 
> cars in Europe fail testing when tested in real world driving.
> ___

European diesel car boom

Abstract

Background
On the way to a more sustainable society, transport needs to be urgently 
optimized regarding energy consumption and pollution control. While in earlier 
decades, Europe followed automobile technology leaps initiated in the USA, it 
has decoupled itself for 20 years by focusing research capacity towards the 
diesel powertrain. The resulting technology shift has led to some 45 million 
extra diesel cars in Europe. Its outcome in terms of health and environmental 
effects are as follows:

Expected greenhouse gas savings initiated by the shift to diesel cars have been 
overestimated. Only about one tenth of overall energy efficiency improvements 
of passenger cars can be attributed to it. These minor savings are on the other 
hand overcompensated by a significant increase of supply chain CO2 emissions 
and extensive black carbon emissions of diesel cars without particulate filter. 
We conclude that the European diesel car boom did not cool down the atmosphere. 

Moreover, toxic NO x emissions of diesel cars have been underestimated up to 
20-fold in officially announced data. The voluntary agreement signed in 1998 
between the European Automobile industry and the European Commission envisaging 
to reduce CO2 emissions has been identified as elementary for the ensuing 
European diesel car boom. Four factors have been quantified in order to explain 
very different dieselization rates across Europe: impact of national 
car/supplier industry, ecological modernization, fuel tourism and corporatist 
political governance.

By comparing the European diesel strategy to the Japanese petrol-hybrid avenue, 
it becomes clear that a different road would have both more effectively reduced 
CO2 emissions and pollutants.

http://enveurope.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/2190-4715-25-15
~~~
Mercedes Is Being Sued Over Alleged Emissions-Cheating Diesels

Bloomberg.com reports that a federal lawsuit was filed on Thursday accusing 
Mercedes-Benz of using a defeat device in its BlueTec-equipped diesel vehicles. 
The lawsuit, filed in New Jersey, alleges that the Mercedes vehicles in 
question turn off their pollution controls at ambient temperatures below 50 
degrees Fahrenheit, allowing the vehicles to put out far more than the legal 
limit of nitrogen oxide and other pollutants. The suit names the diesel-powered 
ML320, ML350, E-Class, S-Class, and GLE among the affected vehicles.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/news/a28228/now-mercedes-is-being-sued-over-alleged-emissions-cheating-diesels/


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Re: [MBZ] 124 fuel tank

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 00:00:47 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> That's awesome, but may not work as intended for a fuel tank (Boom!)...

Indeed. And I noticed the cardboard boxes in the background.


Craig

 
> On April 24, 2016 11:30:56 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Gentlemen, puh-leeze!
> >>
> >> https://youtu.be/xIijYgvxW0g
> >>
> 
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oil pressure gauge and do
something about the failed
hood paint and attend to the
headlight switch -- and now I
need to do something about the
broken left rear trailing arm)
 '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville Van (affectionately dubbed the BRV,
 the Big Red Van)

Past:'95 E320   Sebastian  135 kmi   RIP
 '94 E420   Oskar  127 kmi   RIP
 '86 190E/2.3
 '72 220/8
 '64 190Dc  Emma
 '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Win 7 and svchost

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 23:35:11 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Attaboy.  I don't know why this works but it does (worked twice for me
> too). I was almost ready to junk the computer when I found the thread
> and tried it.  I guess we both owe Canadian Tech.

Yes, we do. And I owe you, too, for telling me of it.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 124 fuel tank

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

That's awesome, but may not work as intended for a fuel tank (Boom!)...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On April 24, 2016 11:30:56 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>>
>> Gentlemen, puh-leeze!
>>
>> https://youtu.be/xIijYgvxW0g
>>


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Win 7 and svchost

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Attaboy.  I don't know why this works but it does (worked twice for me too).
I was almost ready to junk the computer when I found the thread and tried
it.  I guess we both owe Canadian Tech.

> -Original Message-
> From: Craig via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 10:40 PM
> 
> On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 23:56:14 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > If you run Win 7 SP1 (and maybe other flavors) and one core is
> > constantly maxed at 100% CPU, this may help.
> 
> It did.
> 
> > In short, after ensuring the needed services are running, you let the
> > computer run (power saving disabled and interconnect connected) at
> > least overnight.  Ignore the 0% progress indications.  Eventually (at
> > least in my case) the updates will be identified, downloaded, and
installed.
> > It took a day and a half last time but now that PC runs great again
> > and now updates quickly.
> 
> I left it running two nights, the second of which I re-ran Windows Update.
> It took numerous reboots (why?!)  It finally settled down and svchost.exe
> started behaving as expected. But it took a LONG while!
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] 124 fuel tank

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

>
> Gentlemen, puh-leeze!
>
> https://youtu.be/xIijYgvxW0g
>
> On Apr 24, 2016 7:07 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Might have kerosene though? Kerosene is also a good solvent.
>> -Curt
>>
>>   From: Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>>  Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 8:48 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 fuel tank
>>
>> Yeah, I have no ready source of BioD here in o'ol country.
>>
>>
>> >OK Don sez:  If bio-diesel is not readily available, scrape out a
>> >bit, and test various
>> >solvents against it. Acetone, charcoal lighter fluid, gasoline, MEK,
etc.
>> >See what works with a smaller sample before tackling the whole tank.
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] VW to offer to buy back nearly 500,000 U.S. diesel cars

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

We have a 2014 touareg. Wish they would just pay the feds and leave me out
of it. So far no action on the 3l motors anyway.

My german mechanic says german papers are reporting that all of the diesel
cars in Europe fail testing when tested in real world driving.
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Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Parents bought a 126 from a dentist's widow with 17k on the clock. I never
drove anything any nicer, really. So eventually I bought the 123 wagon for
sailing, and haven't found a compelling reason to retire it in the
subsequent 15 years. Plenty of other cars have come and gone.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Win 7 and svchost

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 23:56:14 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
 wrote:

> If you run Win 7 SP1 (and maybe other flavors) and one core is
> constantly maxed at 100% CPU, this may help.

It did.
 
> In short, after ensuring the needed services are running, you let the
> computer run (power saving disabled and interconnect connected) at least
> overnight.  Ignore the 0% progress indications.  Eventually (at least
> in my case) the updates will be identified, downloaded, and installed.
> It took a day and a half last time but now that PC runs great again and
> now updates quickly.

I left it running two nights, the second of which I re-ran Windows Update.
It took numerous reboots (why?!)  It finally settled down and svchost.exe
started behaving as expected. But it took a LONG while!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT microwave repair

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Jim,

Used the rectifier diode test method described in the site you sent me,
which was dirt simple.  I did have to stop at Radio Shack to pick up a 220
ohm 1/2 watt resistor, of course only sold in packs of five for $1.49 + tax.

Test circuit: diode in series with resistor across a 12v DC power source
(car battery works fine).  If the diode is good, should measure about a 6v
drop across the diode.

My diode passed the test.

More trouble shooting...

Door interlock switches are a pretty common failure point, so I began
removing and testing those, and so'nuff, the interlock switch for the
entire high voltage circuit is flaky.  Should be a normally closed switch,
but the ohm meter just danced all over the place.

So I bypassed that pesky switch by crimping the wires together and now the
microwave works great!







Just kidding...

Placed ANOTHER order on Amazon, should have a set of three new door
switches on Tuesday.

Of note, some places wanted $40 per switch, some as little as $7.  Worth
shopping around a bit...
-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Max Dillon  wrote:

> Thanks, that site is awesome!
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On April 23, 2016 1:11:59 PM EDT, Jim Cathey 
> wrote:
> >
> >http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/micfaq.htm
> >
> >-- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Naaa, you are one of the old hands.

Luther and Brian were da keeds.


Hey I thought I was the youngest one here... '98 was my third year 
of college, third and a half really but I started in the off 
semester.

-Curt

  From: Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Jaime Kopchinski 
 Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 6:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?
  
I grew up in the back of a 1983 300D my father purchased new when I was 3

years old.  I remember sitting on his lap driving it up and down the
street.  In 1990 he replaced it with a 300SDL, which I learned to drive
on.  I probably had more miles on a learner's permit than any other 16 year
old kid, cover 150 miles every weekend to the shore.  In 1998, my second
year of college, somehow I convinced my father it was a good idea to sell
my volvo 240DL to buy a 240D... something about how it would be more
reliable than the volvo.  I bought my second one (67 250S) a year later.
Maybe more cars followed.  After I graduated with an engineering degree, I
got a phone call from Ed at Becker who I had been friendly with to get a
radio together and ended up getting a job there in R&D working on the W211.
 11 years later I transfered as a manager to Mercedes Benz R&D where I
still work today.  I've owned 50-75 old Mercedes (and they were all
registered and driveable, Kaleb!), including 5 right now.  And now my
father drives a VW.

Jaime


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Re: [MBZ] 124 fuel tank

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Might have kerosene though? Kerosene is also a good solvent.
-Curt

  From: Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 8:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 fuel tank
   
Yeah, I have no ready source of BioD here in o'ol country.


>OK Don sez:  If bio-diesel is not readily available, scrape out a 
>bit, and test various
>solvents against it. Acetone, charcoal lighter fluid, gasoline, MEK, etc.
>See what works with a smaller sample before tackling the whole tank.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Lawnmower parts

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Can't buy quality these days huh? Too bad with such a new mower.
I pulled out my 51 year old Snapper 308x RER (rear engine rider) the other day, 
it started on the first pull. Of course I re-powered it 5 or 6 years ago but 
the engine is an '88. Still got one original tire in use. I have an order open 
for a new driven wheel. I replaced it when I put the mower back into service 
but I looked at it the other day when I serviced the blade and it needs 
replacing.
-Curt

  From: Mountain Man via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Mountain Man 
 Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 6:08 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Lawnmower parts
   
Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without.
Summer mowing and the 20-year-old walkbehind 48" bobcat ransomes
gearbox has kaked.  Seal is losing oil but we are at beginning of
season and can't do without.  Parts NLA (no-longer-available).  Does
anyone know boneyard for commercial lawnmowers?  I will try Schiller
again - they are the idiot wall street company castrating bobcat these
days.  5/8" output shaft on gearbox is gone so all oil leaks while
mowing.  Does someone have make-it-do fix suggestion?  i.e. leather
with ziptie or hose clamp - sumthin' to get us by.
Gearbox assy looks like ebay 182088528967 with below deck input from
engine and output to each rear wheel - hence long shaft.
Thanks.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

In '02 Angie was driving a '91 Ford Tempo (horrible car) my dad had given us. A 
friend had an '81 300TD in that beautiful china blue that had had a bad 
radiator that they'd bumbled around with and managed to break a bolt in the 
thermostat housing. We got it for $300 which was about $300 too much, that car 
nearly broke our marriage but the few times it was running and everything was 
good hoo boy.
Followed that with Hammie the 240D, Dory the 190D, another 240D and another 
190D before being seduced to the VW dark side...
-Curt

  From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Bob Rentfro 
 Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 12:21 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?
   
As I looked (on the Facebook) at an adorbs picture of the birthday boy
sitting with the family at the symphony in Okieland, several questions ran
through my mind (none of which were the perennial Banned Dr. Fatty
question).

How did we all get our start diggin' MBs? Let's start a thread for that.
One paragraph explaining how the penchant began.

3, 2, 1, GO!

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Hey I thought I was the youngest one here... '98 was my third year of college, 
third and a half really but I started in the off semester.
-Curt

  From: Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Jaime Kopchinski 
 Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 6:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?
   
I grew up in the back of a 1983 300D my father purchased new when I was 3
years old.  I remember sitting on his lap driving it up and down the
street.  In 1990 he replaced it with a 300SDL, which I learned to drive
on.  I probably had more miles on a learner's permit than any other 16 year
old kid, cover 150 miles every weekend to the shore.  In 1998, my second
year of college, somehow I convinced my father it was a good idea to sell
my volvo 240DL to buy a 240D... something about how it would be more
reliable than the volvo.  I bought my second one (67 250S) a year later.
Maybe more cars followed.  After I graduated with an engineering degree, I
got a phone call from Ed at Becker who I had been friendly with to get a
radio together and ended up getting a job there in R&D working on the W211.
 11 years later I transfered as a manager to Mercedes Benz R&D where I
still work today.  I've owned 50-75 old Mercedes (and they were all
registered and driveable, Kaleb!), including 5 right now.  And now my
father drives a VW.

Jaime


On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> After 7 years driving a '76 Chevette, my ex spouse and I simultaneously
> decided it was time to move up to a Mercedes (used, of course).  Eventually
> we found a bargain 1973 280, tested it at night, and bought it on the spot
> from a shady Iranian for $4700.  This was in 1982.  Sold it a year later
> for $4850 to a dip who was heading back overseas.  Those were the days...
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 4:34 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Wifes Beetle got broadsided six blocks from home, the Beetle went
> airborne
> > and landed a few hundred feet across the intersection. It ruptured one of
> > her cervical spinal disks which required surgery. After recuperation we
> > decided to buy a safer car which turned out to be the White Tornado as
> son
> > named it because it had a slipping clutch which had to be babied when
> > accellerating.
> > The White Tornado was an ultra reliable '67 200D in fair condition and
> > wife loved it. That hooked us all on Mercedes diesels except teenage son
> > who could never hot rod it because of the slipping clutch. There have
> been
> > a succession of Mercedes diesels since then.
> > Gerry
> >
> > 
> > > As I looked (on the Facebook) at an adorbs picture of the birthday boy
> > > sitting with the family at the symphony in Okieland, several questions
> > ran
> > > through my mind (none of which were the perennial Banned Dr. Fatty
> > > question).
> > >
> > > How did we all get our start diggin' MBs? Let's start a thread for
> that.
> > > One paragraph explaining how the penchant began.
> > >
> > > 3, 2, 1, GO!
> > >
> > > Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] 124 fuel tank

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

+1 for this, assuming its some kind of polymerized veggie oil. Gasoline might 
do the job too.
Any coating worth having will have some kind of cleaning regime before putting 
the coating on. POR15 for instance has a Marine Clean (which I think has been 
displaced by something) which is a base, basically strong soap. Then Metal 
Ready which is I think basically phosphoric acid.I did a snowmobile tank with 
it years ago, I cleaned the tank for about 2 weeks with vinegar until I thought 
it was real clean. The Marine Clean and Metal Ready both ran out black with 
rust and associated crud.
I shoulda ordered double chemicals, the coating failed about 10 years later. 
This summer I want to re-do it. The real hassle is that the tank is built into 
the chassis so its a bear to move around.
-Curt

  From: Max Dillon via Mercedes 
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Cc: Max Dillon 
 Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 5:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 fuel tank
   
Get some 100% real bio-diesel, that should dissolve it from the inside of the 
tank.

Injection pump delivery valves probably also gummed up, couple diesel purge 
treatments to fix that.

Once you get the tank and injection pump cleaned, first tank of fuel run 
straight bio-diesel to clean the fuel lines.
-- 
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Charleston SC
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'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

No, the 220D was the mouse car.  The 230S did have a squirrel's nest in the
air cleaner, tho.

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> > My dad had a 250SL in the late 60s and a '72 250C when he died, so I grew
> > up with 'em.  Bought my first 230S in '98 or so, and it was downhill from
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Re: [MBZ] 124 fuel tank

[Russ Williams via Mercedes]

I've seen a tank with the same crud at my buddy's MB Indy shop.
Owner did the same thing, unfiltered WFO.
They pulled the tank dumped the cruddy fuel out. Put a cup of Dawn Dish 
washing liquid in it then
rolled the tank to distribute the dawn let set for an hour and then used 
a steam cleaner to wash the tank
out. Drained it then flushed it with a pressure washer 3 times. Let it 
dry out in the sun then they used
a tank sealer the MB recommends. Don't ask me what the brand or name was 
I've slept a bunch since then.

You may try using vinegar to dissolve the gunk.

Russ W.

On Sun,4/24/16 13:02, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
So the FL kid had filled the tank with used fry oil, probably without 
filtering.  The car ran, i put about 5 gal of Diesel in twice and was 
thinking maybe the worst was over but figured I'd need to change 
filters a couple times.  The filler cap and neck were awful, filled 
with rust and krud.  leaving high FFA oil sit in a steel tank is not 
good.


Yesterday #1 daughter took off in it so I could work on the front end 
of the other 300D.  The filter plugged up and she returned, and too 
off in the heap.  I am now without working wheels.


I changed the filter.  I still can't get it to run on its own. (half 
firing)  Still short on fuel.  The filter only drained out a 
tablespoon or two of oil.  Very plugged up.  I probably weighed 5-6 
times what the new filter weighed.


SO I drained the tank and took it out.  Is is coated with a yellowish 
crud. It is somewhat like a really bad case of the black death crud, 
but not black.


I thought about getting a tank coating, but that won't stick to the krud.

Has anyone ever seen this krud?  Is there any way to clean it out?  I 
had planned to pressure wash the tank, but I won't be able to clean 
all of it with a regular pressure washer.


I am guessing the only clear path is to get a used clean tank, but 
that will take a few days.  Getting a coating will probably take a few 
days also.


What's the collective experience?

(87 300D)

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Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

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Was that the mouse car?

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Re: [MBZ] cleaning tank

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I got  load of cruddy fuel that plugged the filter and crapped up the tank.
I removed the filter at the bottom and gauge at the top and blasted the
inside of the tank with a pressure washer through the gauge hole.  The
amount of crap that came out was amazing.  Then I blew air through the tank
from a shop vac (from the top) for about two days to dry up the water.  This
was with the tank still installed in the car (W126) about 8 years ago.

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> To: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
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> 
> Subject: [MBZ] cleaning tank
> 
> i clean tank with a pound or so of lye in cold water and then fill the
tank and
> let it sit for a week
> 
> i fill from the gauge hole . be sure to remove the fuel gauge
> 
> and fill till exactly full so you don't mess up the paint etc on the
outside of the
> tank
> 
> then rinse
> 
> or you can pressure wash it take it to the car wash etc
> 
> 
> thanks,
> 
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Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

My dad had a 250SL in the late 60s and a '72 250C when he died, so I grew
up with 'em.  Bought my first 230S in '98 or so, and it was downhill from
there.  :D
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Re: [MBZ] 124 fuel tank

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Yeah, I have no ready source of BioD here in o'ol country.


OK Don sez:  If bio-diesel is not readily available, scrape out a 
bit, and test various

solvents against it. Acetone, charcoal lighter fluid, gasoline, MEK, etc.
See what works with a smaller sample before tackling the whole tank.



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Re: [MBZ] Fw: For all you long body devotees.

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

looks a bit rsty, and long abandoned.




85 mercedes benz box truck.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



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85 mercedes benz box truck

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Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Our neighbors had a finny back when I was babysitting their kids (who  
now have children in high school!).  Love at first sit, great little  
car although it was troublesome for them -- high maintenance.


Always liked them, bought my first one in 1996 when I finally had a  
bit of money -- graduate school has a tendency to keep you really poor.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have owned at least double that amount of drivers (that I drove regularly). 
Have owned hundreds and hundreds of non running parts and project cars.

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> On Apr 24, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
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> years old.  I remember sitting on his lap driving it up and down the
> street.  In 1990 he replaced it with a 300SDL, which I learned to drive
> on.  I probably had more miles on a learner's permit than any other 16 year
> old kid, cover 150 miles every weekend to the shore.  In 1998, my second
> year of college, somehow I convinced my father it was a good idea to sell
> my volvo 240DL to buy a 240D... something about how it would be more
> reliable than the volvo.  I bought my second one (67 250S) a year later.
> Maybe more cars followed.  After I graduated with an engineering degree, I
> got a phone call from Ed at Becker who I had been friendly with to get a
> radio together and ended up getting a job there in R&D working on the W211.
> 11 years later I transfered as a manager to Mercedes Benz R&D where I
> still work today.  I've owned 50-75 old Mercedes (and they were all
> registered and driveable, Kaleb!), including 5 right now.  And now my
> father drives a VW.
> 
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>> After 7 years driving a '76 Chevette, my ex spouse and I simultaneously
>> decided it was time to move up to a Mercedes (used, of course).  Eventually
>> we found a bargain 1973 280, tested it at night, and bought it on the spot
>> from a shady Iranian for $4700.  This was in 1982.  Sold it a year later
>> for $4850 to a dip who was heading back overseas.  Those were the days...
>> 
>> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 4:34 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
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>>> Wifes Beetle got broadsided six blocks from home, the Beetle went
>> airborne
>>> and landed a few hundred feet across the intersection. It ruptured one of
>>> her cervical spinal disks which required surgery. After recuperation we
>>> decided to buy a safer car which turned out to be the White Tornado as
>> son
>>> named it because it had a slipping clutch which had to be babied when
>>> accellerating.
>>> The White Tornado was an ultra reliable '67 200D in fair condition and
>>> wife loved it. That hooked us all on Mercedes diesels except teenage son
>>> who could never hot rod it because of the slipping clutch. There have
>> been
>>> a succession of Mercedes diesels since then.
>>> Gerry
>>> 
>>> 
 As I looked (on the Facebook) at an adorbs picture of the birthday boy
 sitting with the family at the symphony in Okieland, several questions
>>> ran
 through my mind (none of which were the perennial Banned Dr. Fatty
 question).
 
 How did we all get our start diggin' MBs? Let's start a thread for
>> that.
 One paragraph explaining how the penchant began.
 
 3, 2, 1, GO!
 
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[MBZ] cleaning tank

[Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes]

i clean tank with a pound or so of lye in cold water and then fill the tank and 
let it sit for a week

i fill from the gauge hole … be sure to remove the fuel gauge

and fill till exactly full so you don't mess up the paint etc on the outside of 
the tank

then rinse

or you can pressure wash it take it to the car wash etc


thanks,

xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] Lawnmower parts

[OK Don via Mercedes]

If you haven't ground up the gears, etc. from the lack of oil, and the
shaft is too far gone to sleeve, take it to a machine shop and have them
make a new one for you.

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 5:21 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Presuming here.. the 5/8 output shaft from the gearbox has a wear pattern
> that does not allow the seal lips to seal?
>
> Remove the shaft.. take it to the best bearing and seal shop you can find,
> and ask for a sleeve that you can epoxy in place for the seal to run on..
>
> The sleeves are usually thin tubes that still let you run a standard size
> replacement seal.
>
> If the seal seat area is still serviceable, [outside of the seal it's self]
> take that with you to the bearing and seal shop... buy a seal that will fit
> the Inside Diameter of the seal carrier and the "new" diameter of the
> shaft, with the sleeve mounted..
>
> Seals are listed by 3 dimensions.. OD... ID ... and thickness then the
> direction of the seal lips and the number, along with if they have a spring
> molded in the lip form or not.. etc.. With just a little catalogue work at
> the seal shop.. you should find one that will work...
>
> You may have to do some hand fitting to remove any rough areas on the shaft
> to accept the sleeve.. then a day while the epoxy sets ..
>
> It might be a way for you to get back up and running.. Good Luck..
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>
> > Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without.
> > Summer mowing and the 20-year-old walkbehind 48" bobcat ransomes
> > gearbox has kaked.  Seal is losing oil but we are at beginning of
> > season and can't do without.  Parts NLA (no-longer-available).  Does
> > anyone know boneyard for commercial lawnmowers?  I will try Schiller
> > again - they are the idiot wall street company castrating bobcat these
> > days.  5/8" output shaft on gearbox is gone so all oil leaks while
> > mowing.  Does someone have make-it-do fix suggestion?  i.e. leather
> > with ziptie or hose clamp - sumthin' to get us by.
> > Gearbox assy looks like ebay 182088528967 with below deck input from
> > engine and output to each rear wheel - hence long shaft.
> > Thanks.
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Re: [MBZ] VW to offer to buy back nearly 500,000 U.S. diesel cars

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I saw something to that effect as well. I wonder how new an MB Diesel you'd
have to buy to be covered under the "fix" or buy-back? Probably have to
wait till the official chargers are brought against them for the resale
value to fall enough to be worth it.

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> There was an article in the WSJ yesterday about this, looks like Daimler
> have been cheating against the yurpeen regs, nothing mentioned about US but
> I'm sure CARB will get all up in them.  I'm wondering if they will have to
> come up with some kind of deal like BeeDub, maybe we can get something on
> the ML
>
> --R
>
>
> On 4/24/16 2:59 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Gaurdian reports that Germany is investigating Mercedes, Pugeot, Ford,
>> and other manufacturers of diesel cars for "crimes" similar to those of VW.
>>
>>
>> http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/nov/11/vw-emissions-investigation-widened-bmw-mercedes-ford
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Re: [MBZ] 124 fuel tank

[OK Don via Mercedes]

If bio-diesel is not readily available, scrape out a bit, and test various
solvents against it. Acetone, charcoal lighter fluid, gasoline, MEK, etc.
See what works with a smaller sample before tackling the whole tank.

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> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
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> > Get some 100% real bio-diesel, that should dissolve it from the inside of
> > the tank.
> >
> > Injection pump delivery valves probably also gummed up, couple diesel
> > purge treatments to fix that.
> >
> > Once you get the tank and injection pump cleaned, first tank of fuel run
> > straight bio-diesel to clean the fuel lines.
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Re: [MBZ] Lawnmower parts

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Presuming here.. the 5/8 output shaft from the gearbox has a wear pattern
that does not allow the seal lips to seal?

Remove the shaft.. take it to the best bearing and seal shop you can find,
and ask for a sleeve that you can epoxy in place for the seal to run on..

The sleeves are usually thin tubes that still let you run a standard size
replacement seal.

If the seal seat area is still serviceable, [outside of the seal it's self]
take that with you to the bearing and seal shop... buy a seal that will fit
the Inside Diameter of the seal carrier and the "new" diameter of the
shaft, with the sleeve mounted..

Seals are listed by 3 dimensions.. OD... ID ... and thickness then the
direction of the seal lips and the number, along with if they have a spring
molded in the lip form or not.. etc.. With just a little catalogue work at
the seal shop.. you should find one that will work...

You may have to do some hand fitting to remove any rough areas on the shaft
to accept the sleeve.. then a day while the epoxy sets ..

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On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without.
> Summer mowing and the 20-year-old walkbehind 48" bobcat ransomes
> gearbox has kaked.  Seal is losing oil but we are at beginning of
> season and can't do without.  Parts NLA (no-longer-available).  Does
> anyone know boneyard for commercial lawnmowers?  I will try Schiller
> again - they are the idiot wall street company castrating bobcat these
> days.  5/8" output shaft on gearbox is gone so all oil leaks while
> mowing.  Does someone have make-it-do fix suggestion?  i.e. leather
> with ziptie or hose clamp - sumthin' to get us by.
> Gearbox assy looks like ebay 182088528967 with below deck input from
> engine and output to each rear wheel - hence long shaft.
> Thanks.
> mao
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[MBZ] Lawnmower parts

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without.
Summer mowing and the 20-year-old walkbehind 48" bobcat ransomes
gearbox has kaked.  Seal is losing oil but we are at beginning of
season and can't do without.  Parts NLA (no-longer-available).  Does
anyone know boneyard for commercial lawnmowers?  I will try Schiller
again - they are the idiot wall street company castrating bobcat these
days.  5/8" output shaft on gearbox is gone so all oil leaks while
mowing.  Does someone have make-it-do fix suggestion?  i.e. leather
with ziptie or hose clamp - sumthin' to get us by.
Gearbox assy looks like ebay 182088528967 with below deck input from
engine and output to each rear wheel - hence long shaft.
Thanks.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] VW to offer to buy back nearly 500,000 U.S. diesel cars

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There was an article in the WSJ yesterday about this, looks like Daimler 
have been cheating against the yurpeen regs, nothing mentioned about US 
but I'm sure CARB will get all up in them.  I'm wondering if they will 
have to come up with some kind of deal like BeeDub, maybe we can get 
something on the ML


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Gaurdian reports that Germany is investigating Mercedes, Pugeot, Ford, and other 
manufacturers of diesel cars for "crimes" similar to those of VW.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/nov/11/vw-emissions-investigation-widened-bmw-mercedes-ford

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Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

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I grew up in the back of a 1983 300D my father purchased new when I was 3
years old.  I remember sitting on his lap driving it up and down the
street.  In 1990 he replaced it with a 300SDL, which I learned to drive
on.  I probably had more miles on a learner's permit than any other 16 year
old kid, cover 150 miles every weekend to the shore.  In 1998, my second
year of college, somehow I convinced my father it was a good idea to sell
my volvo 240DL to buy a 240D... something about how it would be more
reliable than the volvo.  I bought my second one (67 250S) a year later.
Maybe more cars followed.  After I graduated with an engineering degree, I
got a phone call from Ed at Becker who I had been friendly with to get a
radio together and ended up getting a job there in R&D working on the W211.
 11 years later I transfered as a manager to Mercedes Benz R&D where I
still work today.  I've owned 50-75 old Mercedes (and they were all
registered and driveable, Kaleb!), including 5 right now.  And now my
father drives a VW.

Jaime


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> After 7 years driving a '76 Chevette, my ex spouse and I simultaneously
> decided it was time to move up to a Mercedes (used, of course).  Eventually
> we found a bargain 1973 280, tested it at night, and bought it on the spot
> from a shady Iranian for $4700.  This was in 1982.  Sold it a year later
> for $4850 to a dip who was heading back overseas.  Those were the days...
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 4:34 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Wifes Beetle got broadsided six blocks from home, the Beetle went
> airborne
> > and landed a few hundred feet across the intersection. It ruptured one of
> > her cervical spinal disks which required surgery. After recuperation we
> > decided to buy a safer car which turned out to be the White Tornado as
> son
> > named it because it had a slipping clutch which had to be babied when
> > accellerating.
> > The White Tornado was an ultra reliable '67 200D in fair condition and
> > wife loved it. That hooked us all on Mercedes diesels except teenage son
> > who could never hot rod it because of the slipping clutch. There have
> been
> > a succession of Mercedes diesels since then.
> > Gerry
> >
> > 
> > > As I looked (on the Facebook) at an adorbs picture of the birthday boy
> > > sitting with the family at the symphony in Okieland, several questions
> > ran
> > > through my mind (none of which were the perennial Banned Dr. Fatty
> > > question).
> > >
> > > How did we all get our start diggin' MBs? Let's start a thread for
> that.
> > > One paragraph explaining how the penchant began.
> > >
> > > 3, 2, 1, GO!
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] why benz?

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

One of the million mile engines that gets 40mpg on waste oil

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On 4/24/16 5:39 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

That sounds like an interesting idea...


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Re: [MBZ] 124 fuel tank

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It's true.. Great Minds Do Think Alike hahahahaha




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> Get some 100% real bio-diesel, that should dissolve it from the inside of
> the tank.
>
> Injection pump delivery valves probably also gummed up, couple diesel
> purge treatments to fix that.
>
> Once you get the tank and injection pump cleaned, first tank of fuel run
> straight bio-diesel to clean the fuel lines.
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Re: [MBZ] 124 fuel tank

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Since you now have the tank out... seal up the ports and put 5 gallons of
B100 BioDiesel in the tank and let it set for a day... rotate the tank 1/4
turn.. let it set for another day... rotate it to the other side.. repeat..

BioDiesel is a remarkable cleaner of such messes... When done.. your tank
will be spanky clean of the WVO Crud and also rust.. You should see bare
steel, but clean..

After the treatment.. do a Dawn dishwashing solution wash, nice soapy
solution.. followed by clean water flush.. hot water would be good.. run a
hose from your hot water heater drain valve.. give it a good flush... dry
it out.. Return to service..

Inspect for pinhole rust first, however..


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On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> I assume you checked and cleaned/replaced the fuel tank strainer?
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > It sounds like old fry oil based on your description.  What if you put
> >> something in it like boiling water and a detergent that would dissolve
> the
> >> grease?
> >>
> >
> > Yeah, see below in bold.   High FFAs sitting in steel make rust.
> >
> >
> > What have you tried against the crud so far?
> >>
> >
> > Nothing yet.  I'm not sure if anything will work.
> >
> >
> >> Otherwise, take it to a radiator shop and see if they'll boil it out for
> >> you.  I can't imagine that costing much.  Was the screen clogged up,
> too?
> >> See below in bold
> >>
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:14 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  > Forgot one detail.  On thurs I put in 8 oz of Diesel Kleen and a
> >> shock treatment of BioBorJF to start trying to clean the fuel system. I
> am
> >> guessing it worked.  The screen was pretty clean.
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > So the FL kid had filled the tank with used fry oil, probably without
> >> filtering.  The car ran, i put about 5 gal of Diesel in twice and was
> >> thinking maybe the worst was over but figured I'd need to change
> filters a
> >> couple times.  The filler cap and neck were awful, filled with rust and
> >> krud.  leaving high FFA oil sit in a steel tank is not good.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>  Yesterday #1 daughter took off in it so I could work on the front end
> >>> of the other 300D.  The filter plugged up and she returned, and too
> off in
> >>> the heap.  I am now without working wheels.
> >>>
> >>>  I changed the filter.  I still can't get it to run on its own. (half
> >>> firing)  Still short on fuel.  The filter only drained out a
> tablespoon or
> >>> two of oil.  Very plugged up.  I probably weighed 5-6 times what the
> new
> >>> filter weighed.
> >>>
> >>>  SO I drained the tank and took it out.  Is is coated with a yellowish
> >>> crud. It is somewhat like a really bad case of the black death crud,
> but
> >>> not black.
> >>>
> >>>  I thought about getting a tank coating, but that won't stick to the
> >>> krud.
> >>>
> >>>  Has anyone ever seen this krud?  Is there any way to clean it out? I
> >>> had planned to pressure wash the tank, but I won't be able to clean
> all of
> >>> it with a regular pressure washer.
> >>>
> >>>  I am guessing the only clear path is to get a used clean tank, but
> that
> >>> will take a few days.  Getting a coating will probably take a few days
> also.
> >>>
> >>>  What's the collective experience?
> >>>
> >>>  (87 300D)
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 fuel tank

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Get some 100% real bio-diesel, that should dissolve it from the inside of the 
tank.

Injection pump delivery valves probably also gummed up, couple diesel purge 
treatments to fix that.

Once you get the tank and injection pump cleaned, first tank of fuel run 
straight bio-diesel to clean the fuel lines.
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Re: [MBZ] why benz?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

That sounds like an interesting idea...
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On April 24, 2016 2:20:59 PM EDT, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes 
 wrote:

>Mercedes has by far the best old diesel engines, at least in the 123
>cars which are all that i really know.
>
>I much prefer the comfort and handling of a nice Peugeot 505 wagon.
>
>So, for me, i guess a 617 engine in a peugeot wagon would be great! 
>thanks,
>
>xx rick
>Rick Hawkins


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Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

After 7 years driving a '76 Chevette, my ex spouse and I simultaneously
decided it was time to move up to a Mercedes (used, of course).  Eventually
we found a bargain 1973 280, tested it at night, and bought it on the spot
from a shady Iranian for $4700.  This was in 1982.  Sold it a year later
for $4850 to a dip who was heading back overseas.  Those were the days...

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 4:34 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Wifes Beetle got broadsided six blocks from home, the Beetle went airborne
> and landed a few hundred feet across the intersection. It ruptured one of
> her cervical spinal disks which required surgery. After recuperation we
> decided to buy a safer car which turned out to be the White Tornado as son
> named it because it had a slipping clutch which had to be babied when
> accellerating.
> The White Tornado was an ultra reliable '67 200D in fair condition and
> wife loved it. That hooked us all on Mercedes diesels except teenage son
> who could never hot rod it because of the slipping clutch. There have been
> a succession of Mercedes diesels since then.
> Gerry
>
> 
> > As I looked (on the Facebook) at an adorbs picture of the birthday boy
> > sitting with the family at the symphony in Okieland, several questions
> ran
> > through my mind (none of which were the perennial Banned Dr. Fatty
> > question).
> >
> > How did we all get our start diggin' MBs? Let's start a thread for that.
> > One paragraph explaining how the penchant began.
> >
> > 3, 2, 1, GO!
> >
> > Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] 124 fuel tank

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I assume you checked and cleaned/replaced the fuel tank strainer?

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It sounds like old fry oil based on your description.  What if you put
>> something in it like boiling water and a detergent that would dissolve the
>> grease?
>>
>
> Yeah, see below in bold.   High FFAs sitting in steel make rust.
>
>
> What have you tried against the crud so far?
>>
>
> Nothing yet.  I'm not sure if anything will work.
>
>
>> Otherwise, take it to a radiator shop and see if they'll boil it out for
>> you.  I can't imagine that costing much.  Was the screen clogged up, too?
>> See below in bold
>>
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:14 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  > Forgot one detail.  On thurs I put in 8 oz of Diesel Kleen and a
>> shock treatment of BioBorJF to start trying to clean the fuel system. I am
>> guessing it worked.  The screen was pretty clean.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > So the FL kid had filled the tank with used fry oil, probably without
>> filtering.  The car ran, i put about 5 gal of Diesel in twice and was
>> thinking maybe the worst was over but figured I'd need to change filters a
>> couple times.  The filler cap and neck were awful, filled with rust and
>> krud.  leaving high FFA oil sit in a steel tank is not good.
>>
>>>
>>>  Yesterday #1 daughter took off in it so I could work on the front end
>>> of the other 300D.  The filter plugged up and she returned, and too off in
>>> the heap.  I am now without working wheels.
>>>
>>>  I changed the filter.  I still can't get it to run on its own. (half
>>> firing)  Still short on fuel.  The filter only drained out a tablespoon or
>>> two of oil.  Very plugged up.  I probably weighed 5-6 times what the new
>>> filter weighed.
>>>
>>>  SO I drained the tank and took it out.  Is is coated with a yellowish
>>> crud. It is somewhat like a really bad case of the black death crud, but
>>> not black.
>>>
>>>  I thought about getting a tank coating, but that won't stick to the
>>> krud.
>>>
>>>  Has anyone ever seen this krud?  Is there any way to clean it out? I
>>> had planned to pressure wash the tank, but I won't be able to clean all of
>>> it with a regular pressure washer.
>>>
>>>  I am guessing the only clear path is to get a used clean tank, but that
>>> will take a few days.  Getting a coating will probably take a few days also.
>>>
>>>  What's the collective experience?
>>>
>>>  (87 300D)
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

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Wifes Beetle got broadsided six blocks from home, the Beetle went airborne and 
landed a few hundred feet across the intersection. It ruptured one of her 
cervical spinal disks which required surgery. After recuperation we decided to 
buy a safer car which turned out to be the White Tornado as son named it 
because it had a slipping clutch which had to be babied when accellerating.
The White Tornado was an ultra reliable '67 200D in fair condition and wife 
loved it. That hooked us all on Mercedes diesels except teenage son who could 
never hot rod it because of the slipping clutch. There have been a succession 
of Mercedes diesels since then.
Gerry


> As I looked (on the Facebook) at an adorbs picture of the birthday boy
> sitting with the family at the symphony in Okieland, several questions ran
> through my mind (none of which were the perennial Banned Dr. Fatty
> question).
> 
> How did we all get our start diggin' MBs? Let's start a thread for that.
> One paragraph explaining how the penchant began.
> 
> 3, 2, 1, GO!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

[clay via Mercedes]

I was seven years old and playing in my Granny's kitchen with a matchbox 250SL, 
white with red interior.  That has been my lust after car ever since.  The 
lines of the Paul Bracq designed cars just get me going.  Sacco and Geiger a 
bit less so.  These guys designed the silver stars I have owned.

clay



On Apr 24, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

>> How did we all get our start diggin' MBs? Let's start a thread for that.
>> One paragraph explaining how the penchant began.
> 
> Wanted a used car that didn't rattle and squeak, and I'd always
> loved the look of the 107 cars, and I finally had room for another
> car, so a 2-seater became possible.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Happy Birthday, Kaleb!

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Dan wrote:
> FB is a pox upon our society.

Life is a pox upon our society!
Die Already!!
mao

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Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

1998 I was looking for a car at cars-on-line and the engineer from
Chatanooga said to me in his nice drawl - what you need is a 240d.
Found one in Manchester, NH and flew there to purchase from a priest
and drove it home.  That car still has parts running in Curly's
stable, rust ate it to pieces.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Happy Birthday, Kaleb!

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Happy Birthday K'leb!

Greg

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[MBZ] Fw: For all you long body devotees.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

85 mercedes benz box truck.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



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85 mercedes benz box truck

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Re: [MBZ] VW to offer to buy back nearly 500,000 U.S. diesel cars

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Gaurdian reports that Germany is investigating Mercedes, Pugeot, Ford, and 
other manufacturers of diesel cars for "crimes" similar to those of VW.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/nov/11/vw-emissions-investigation-widened-bmw-mercedes-ford

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Re: [MBZ] 124 fuel tank

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

It sounds like old fry oil based on your description.  What if you 
put something in it like boiling water and a detergent that would 
dissolve the grease?


Yeah, see below in bold.   High FFAs sitting in steel make rust.



What have you tried against the crud so far?


Nothing yet.  I'm not sure if anything will work.



Otherwise, take it to a radiator shop and see if they'll boil it out 
for you.  I can't imagine that costing much.  Was the screen clogged 
up, too?  See below in bold


Dan



 On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:14 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:


 > Forgot one detail.  On thurs I put in 8 oz of Diesel Kleen and a 
shock treatment of BioBorJF to start trying to clean the fuel 
system. I am guessing it worked.  The screen was pretty clean.

 >
 >
 > So the FL kid had filled the tank with used fry oil, probably 
without filtering.  The car ran, i put about 5 gal of Diesel in 
twice and was thinking maybe the worst was over but figured I'd need 
to change filters a couple times.  The filler cap and neck were 
awful, filled with rust and krud.  leaving high FFA oil sit in a 
steel tank is not good.


 Yesterday #1 daughter took off in it so I could work on the front 
end of the other 300D.  The filter plugged up and she returned, and 
too off in the heap.  I am now without working wheels.


 I changed the filter.  I still can't get it to run on its own. 
(half firing)  Still short on fuel.  The filter only drained out a 
tablespoon or two of oil.  Very plugged up.  I probably weighed 5-6 
times what the new filter weighed.


 SO I drained the tank and took it out.  Is is coated with a 
yellowish crud. It is somewhat like a really bad case of the black 
death crud, but not black.


 I thought about getting a tank coating, but that won't stick to the krud.

 Has anyone ever seen this krud?  Is there any way to clean it out? 
I had planned to pressure wash the tank, but I won't be able to 
clean all of it with a regular pressure washer.


 I am guessing the only clear path is to get a used clean tank, but 
that will take a few days.  Getting a coating will probably take a 
few days also.


 What's the collective experience?

 (87 300D)

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Re: [MBZ] Happy Birthday, Kaleb!

[Russ Williams via Mercedes]

Happy Birthday Kaleb
May you have Many Many More

Russ W.

On Sun,4/24/16 11:25, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Kaleb.
Happy Birthday to you!
Fred.

Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.


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Subject: [MBZ] Happy Birthday, Kaleb!

Everybody should wish Kaleb a Happy Birthday!

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Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And interventions don’t work, either.

> It's a good addiction...
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[MBZ] why benz?

[Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes]

Folks

i learned to drive in a 1951 plymouth and took my driving test in a 1966 Ford 
Ranch Wagon with stick shift on the column and overdrive about 1970

Then i mostly drove air cooled VWs with a bad luck Audi 90 wagon and a few 
american pickups thrown it, for the next 25 years. We even ran a VW shop and 
probably rebuilt 100 engines, personally.

About 1985 someone pointed out a Peugeot diesel wagon, 504, aBOUT 1976. I 
bought that and spent the next 5 or 6 years messing with peugeot diesel engines 
in 504 and 505 cars, mostly wagons. They would all have cracked heads at about 
100k miles. Anyway, Peugeots are very nice cars. Finally i got smart and 
switched to Peugeot gas cars. Turbo or non turbo, i never had a major engine 
problem with a gas peugeot (only a few water pumps, hoses, etc) and i drove 
them up until 7 or 8 years ago.

A good friend had a very nice 1982 300td that he was ready to sell. I bought it 
probably about 2000 or so and gave it to my wife to drive. Pretty soon it was 
mine and since i'm 8 or 9 years into the WVO experiments i continue to use it 
as my daily driver although i have 3 or 4 other diesel mercedes on the road.

Mercedes has by far the best old diesel engines, at least in the 123 cars which 
are all that i really know.

I much prefer the comfort and handling of a nice Peugeot 505 wagon.

So, for me, i guess a 617 engine in a peugeot wagon would be great! 
thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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Re: [MBZ] 124 fuel tank

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It sounds like old fry oil based on your description.  What if you put 
something in it like boiling water and a detergent that would dissolve the 
grease?

What have you tried against the crud so far?

Otherwise, take it to a radiator shop and see if they’ll boil it out for you.  
I can’t imagine that costing much.  Was the screen clogged up, too?

Dan



> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:14 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Forgot one detail.  On thurs I put in 8 oz of Diesel Kleen and a shock 
> treatment of BioBorJF to start trying to clean the fuel system. I am guessing 
> it worked.  The screen was pretty clean.
> 
> 
> So the FL kid had filled the tank with used fry oil, probably without 
> filtering.  The car ran, i put about 5 gal of Diesel in twice and was 
> thinking maybe the worst was over but figured I'd need to change filters a 
> couple times.  The filler cap and neck were awful, filled with rust and krud. 
>  leaving high FFA oil sit in a steel tank is not good.
> 
> Yesterday #1 daughter took off in it so I could work on the front end of the 
> other 300D.  The filter plugged up and she returned, and too off in the heap. 
>  I am now without working wheels.
> 
> I changed the filter.  I still can't get it to run on its own.  (half firing) 
>  Still short on fuel.  The filter only drained out a tablespoon or two of 
> oil.  Very plugged up.  I probably weighed 5-6 times what the new filter 
> weighed.
> 
> SO I drained the tank and took it out.  Is is coated with a yellowish crud. 
> It is somewhat like a really bad case of the black death crud, but not black.
> 
> I thought about getting a tank coating, but that won't stick to the krud.
> 
> Has anyone ever seen this krud?  Is there any way to clean it out?  I had 
> planned to pressure wash the tank, but I won't be able to clean all of it 
> with a regular pressure washer.
> 
> I am guessing the only clear path is to get a used clean tank, but that will 
> take a few days.  Getting a coating will probably take a few days also.
> 
> What's the collective experience?
> 
> (87 300D)
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Re: [MBZ] 124 fuel tank

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Fill it up with really hot water and oxyclean and let it sit awhile, 
maybe put something in, some gravel or something, to shake around and 
dislodge the crud.  Maybe even put a fire under it to get it boiling.  
Oxyclean does wonders at loosening crud, might be worth a try.  Then a 
dose of biocide.


--R

On 4/24/16 2:02 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
So the FL kid had filled the tank with used fry oil, probably without 
filtering.  The car ran, i put about 5 gal of Diesel in twice and was 
thinking maybe the worst was over but figured I'd need to change 
filters a couple times.  The filler cap and neck were awful, filled 
with rust and krud.  leaving high FFA oil sit in a steel tank is not 
good.


Yesterday #1 daughter took off in it so I could work on the front end 
of the other 300D.  The filter plugged up and she returned, and too 
off in the heap.  I am now without working wheels.


I changed the filter.  I still can't get it to run on its own. (half 
firing)  Still short on fuel.  The filter only drained out a 
tablespoon or two of oil.  Very plugged up.  I probably weighed 5-6 
times what the new filter weighed.


SO I drained the tank and took it out.  Is is coated with a yellowish 
crud. It is somewhat like a really bad case of the black death crud, 
but not black.


I thought about getting a tank coating, but that won't stick to the krud.

Has anyone ever seen this krud?  Is there any way to clean it out?  I 
had planned to pressure wash the tank, but I won't be able to clean 
all of it with a regular pressure washer.


I am guessing the only clear path is to get a used clean tank, but 
that will take a few days.  Getting a coating will probably take a few 
days also.


What's the collective experience?

(87 300D)

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Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Our son was in HS in Houston and driving him to and from school, or 
organizing carpooling (though one kid had a 67 Mustang convertible) 
was getting to be an annoyance with lacrosse practice etc.  My wife 
mentioned a patient of hers, an indy Benz mechanic, had an old 
Mercedes he needed to sell to raise some money.  We bought the 79 TD 
for too much (she felt sorry for him, which I guess was not a bad 
thing as he died a coupla months later) and it turned out to be a 
great car for a kid, though I did end up learning a lot about Benzes 
when a front ball joint snapped, and various other repair needs.  So 
then when he graduated college, and the daughter unit had been 
driving the TD to her high school, and needed a ride, I found the 84 
SD and bought that.  Then a few years ago, in response to the wife's 
comments over the years that she really liked his car, I found 
another 84 SD and bought it.  She really liked it.  The daughter 
somehow ended up with it (I never quite understood the process) so 
she has that now.  Wife got a new job in Spartanburg 230mi away and 
driving the Suburban (at 200kmi) for weekend commutes was becoming 
problematic, we got the ML dizzel a year ago.  Still have all of 
them though I think the TD needs to get knackered.


Y'all turned me into an addict.

--R


It's a good addiction...

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[MBZ] 124 fuel tank

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Forgot one detail.  On thurs I put in 8 oz of Diesel Kleen and a 
shock treatment of BioBorJF to start trying to clean the fuel system. 
I am guessing it worked.  The screen was pretty clean.



So the FL kid had filled the tank with used fry oil, probably without 
filtering.  The car ran, i put about 5 gal of Diesel in twice and was 
thinking maybe the worst was over but figured I'd need to change 
filters a couple times.  The filler cap and neck were awful, filled 
with rust and krud.  leaving high FFA oil sit in a steel tank is not 
good.


Yesterday #1 daughter took off in it so I could work on the front end 
of the other 300D.  The filter plugged up and she returned, and too 
off in the heap.  I am now without working wheels.


I changed the filter.  I still can't get it to run on its own.  (half 
firing)  Still short on fuel.  The filter only drained out a 
tablespoon or two of oil.  Very plugged up.  I probably weighed 5-6 
times what the new filter weighed.


SO I drained the tank and took it out.  Is is coated with a yellowish 
crud. It is somewhat like a really bad case of the black death crud, 
but not black.


I thought about getting a tank coating, but that won't stick to the krud.

Has anyone ever seen this krud?  Is there any way to clean it out?  I 
had planned to pressure wash the tank, but I won't be able to clean 
all of it with a regular pressure washer.


I am guessing the only clear path is to get a used clean tank, but 
that will take a few days.  Getting a coating will probably take a 
few days also.


What's the collective experience?

(87 300D)

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[MBZ] 124 fuel tank

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

So the FL kid had filled the tank with used fry oil, probably without 
filtering.  The car ran, i put about 5 gal of Diesel in twice and was 
thinking maybe the worst was over but figured I'd need to change 
filters a couple times.  The filler cap and neck were awful, filled 
with rust and krud.  leaving high FFA oil sit in a steel tank is not 
good.


Yesterday #1 daughter took off in it so I could work on the front end 
of the other 300D.  The filter plugged up and she returned, and too 
off in the heap.  I am now without working wheels.


I changed the filter.  I still can't get it to run on its own.  (half 
firing)  Still short on fuel.  The filter only drained out a 
tablespoon or two of oil.  Very plugged up.  I probably weighed 5-6 
times what the new filter weighed.


SO I drained the tank and took it out.  Is is coated with a yellowish 
crud. It is somewhat like a really bad case of the black death crud, 
but not black.


I thought about getting a tank coating, but that won't stick to the krud.

Has anyone ever seen this krud?  Is there any way to clean it out?  I 
had planned to pressure wash the tank, but I won't be able to clean 
all of it with a regular pressure washer.


I am guessing the only clear path is to get a used clean tank, but 
that will take a few days.  Getting a coating will probably take a 
few days also.


What's the collective experience?

(87 300D)

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Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I first saw/rode in an MB when my Grandfather bought a 1968 bottom of the
line vergasser W115 (or was it a W114?). It was really cool. Two years
later he decided that it was a lemon, and traded it for a new 1970 220D. I
got to drive that one, and was addicted to Diesel fuel. The 220D got sold
to my Dad when grandpa bought the '81 240D. When grandpa stopped driving
(Alzheimer's), the 240D went to Dad, and I bought the 220D from Dad. It had
over 200k by then and was marginally safe due to the Minnesota rust (where
Grandpa lived/drove). I drove it another 50k, then bought a '76 300D with a
burnt up engine (fan belt cut an oil cooler hose and the PO drove it till
it seized). I bought a factory crate long block "on close-out sale" for
that car. Etc. . . .

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This one is easy:
>
> In April of 1988 we moved from my hometown of Indianapolis, IN to
> Sheboygan, WI to go to work for the Kohler Company.  The wife had a deal to
> go to work with First Wisconsin, a bank in Sheboygan.
>
> Shortly after we arrived, already having committed to buying a house,
> First Wisconsin decided that the guy who offered the wife a job didn’t have
> the authority to do so.
>
> So here we were in a city of 50k people and the wife has no job and little
> prospect of finding one.  Her headhunter got her an interview with
> Harley-Davidson in Milwaukee, who promptly hired her.  While this was a
> good thing, it now required her to commute an hour each way to Milwaukee
> via rural interstate on a daily basis.  I was traveling about 35 weeks a
> year and we had a preschooler in day care in Sheboygan.  Not a good
> arrangement.
>
> After a year of this, we decide she would stay home and we would continue
> on in Sheboygan, as the commute and my travel were just too much of a
> burden if we were both working.  She went in to Harley and explained the
> situation to her superiors, who would have none of it.  “Give us some
> alternatives”, they said.
>
> The alternative was that they pay towards us building a house in Port
> Washington, a small town of 9,000 halfway between Milwaukee and Sheboygan.
>
> Done.
>
> So we purchased a beautiful lot along Lake Michigan and had a home built,
> known to us as “The house that Harley built.”  So now I’m driving 60 some
> odd miles round trip to work daily when I’m in the office.  Not a big deal
> except that I am driving a Chevy Suburban.  Ouch.
>
> So I go looking for a more economical car, ideally a station wagon of some
> sort.  While I’m considering Volvo diesel wagons (this is 1990) I happen to
> mention this to a customer of mine in Baltimore who is a long time MB guy.
> He immediately tells me I need to buy a Mercedes 300TD wagon. After a
> barrage of calls and emails about this I finally cave in and start
> looking.  Where do I find one?
>
> Indianapolis.
>
> I fly down, check out a 1979 300TD and drive it back to Wisconsin.  No
> looking back from that point, and I don’t regret it one bit.  I do regret
> not knowing enough at the time to wait to find a turbo version, but….
>
> Dan
>
> P.S. - The guy in Baltimore had a 220D that lasted for over 650,000 miles,
> courtesy of Potomac German.  He still drives an MB today, not sure what
> model, though.
>
>
> > On Apr 24, 2016, at 12:21 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > As I looked (on the Facebook) at an adorbs picture of the birthday boy
> > sitting with the family at the symphony in Okieland, several questions
> ran
> > through my mind (none of which were the perennial Banned Dr. Fatty
> > question).
> >
> > How did we all get our start diggin' MBs? Let's start a thread for that.
> > One paragraph explaining how the penchant began.
> >
> > 3, 2, 1, GO!
> >
> > Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Happy Birthday, Kaleb!

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Dan Penoff wrote:
> Everybody should wish Kaleb a Happy Birthday!

Right! He's been a good host. Happy Birthday, Kaleb!
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Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

1975 was when I first remember really noticing my friend's father's 1968
200D. "Foreign" cars were a rarity in staunch UAW Caterpillar makin'
central Illinois. I remember his tools, his shop manuals, thinking this is
how owning a car should be. The sound and feeling you got when you closed
the doors (as opposed to swinging the door closed on my dad's '74 Tornado).
Pulling out that wierd plunger and watching the coil in the salt shaker.
The steering wheel.  Knowing this is what we'll made feels like.
So, I traded in my '76 TR7 in '78 for my first MB...a '72 220D. The rest is
history.

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] Happy Birthday, Kaleb!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You're either in it up to your earlobes or not.

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> yes, some people I know spend hours and hours on facebook.  In fact, when
> at dinner at a restaurant they will be staring at facebook the entire time.
>
>
> On 4/24/2016 12:07 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Happy to you, Kaleb.
>>
>> "FB is a pox upon our society".
>>
>> That's why we don't even have a FB account - this group and one on the
>> Tailwind are as social as we get. We do have Whatsapp that we use with our
>> kids and their spouses.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 11:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> FB reminded me, too, which is why I posted something.
>>>
>>> I only check FB once a day, as I don’t participate there with the
>>> exception of a private group I belong to.
>>>
>>> FB is a pox upon our society.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 24, 2016, at 11:51 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <

>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
 I already did because the FB reminded me. You are slower than the FB.

 Bob R
 On Apr 24, 2016 8:39 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <

>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>
 wrote:

 Everybody should wish Kaleb a Happy Birthday!
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Re: [MBZ] Happy Birthday, Kaleb!

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

yes, some people I know spend hours and hours on facebook.  In 
fact, when at dinner at a restaurant they will be staring at 
facebook the entire time.


On 4/24/2016 12:07 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Happy to you, Kaleb.

"FB is a pox upon our society".

That's why we don't even have a FB account - this group and one on the
Tailwind are as social as we get. We do have Whatsapp that we use with our
kids and their spouses.

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 11:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


FB reminded me, too, which is why I posted something.

I only check FB once a day, as I don’t participate there with the
exception of a private group I belong to.

FB is a pox upon our society.

Dan



On Apr 24, 2016, at 11:51 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I already did because the FB reminded me. You are slower than the FB.

Bob R
On Apr 24, 2016 8:39 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <

mercedes@okiebenz.com>

wrote:


Everybody should wish Kaleb a Happy Birthday!



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Re: [MBZ] Happy Birthday, Kaleb!

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Aye, and many more...
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'87 300TD
'95 E300

On April 24, 2016 11:39:14 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

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Our son was in HS in Houston and driving him to and from school, or 
organizing carpooling (though one kid had a 67 Mustang convertible) was 
getting to be an annoyance with lacrosse practice etc.  My wife 
mentioned a patient of hers, an indy Benz mechanic, had an old Mercedes 
he needed to sell to raise some money.  We bought the 79 TD for too much 
(she felt sorry for him, which I guess was not a bad thing as he died a 
coupla months later) and it turned out to be a great car for a kid, 
though I did end up learning a lot about Benzes when a front ball joint 
snapped, and various other repair needs.  So then when he graduated 
college, and the daughter unit had been driving the TD to her high 
school, and needed a ride, I found the 84 SD and bought that.  Then a 
few years ago, in response to the wife's comments over the years that 
she really liked his car, I found another 84 SD and bought it.  She 
really liked it.  The daughter somehow ended up with it (I never quite 
understood the process) so she has that now.  Wife got a new job in 
Spartanburg 230mi away and driving the Suburban (at 200kmi) for weekend 
commutes was becoming problematic, we got the ML dizzel a year ago.  
Still have all of them though I think the TD needs to get knackered.


Y'all turned me into an addict.

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Re: [MBZ] Happy Birthday, Kaleb!

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Happy to you, Kaleb.

"FB is a pox upon our society".

That's why we don't even have a FB account - this group and one on the
Tailwind are as social as we get. We do have Whatsapp that we use with our
kids and their spouses.

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 11:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> FB reminded me, too, which is why I posted something.
>
> I only check FB once a day, as I don’t participate there with the
> exception of a private group I belong to.
>
> FB is a pox upon our society.
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Apr 24, 2016, at 11:51 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I already did because the FB reminded me. You are slower than the FB.
> >
> > Bob R
> > On Apr 24, 2016 8:39 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Everybody should wish Kaleb a Happy Birthday!
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This one is easy:

In April of 1988 we moved from my hometown of Indianapolis, IN to Sheboygan, WI 
to go to work for the Kohler Company.  The wife had a deal to go to work with 
First Wisconsin, a bank in Sheboygan.

Shortly after we arrived, already having committed to buying a house, First 
Wisconsin decided that the guy who offered the wife a job didn’t have the 
authority to do so.

So here we were in a city of 50k people and the wife has no job and little 
prospect of finding one.  Her headhunter got her an interview with 
Harley-Davidson in Milwaukee, who promptly hired her.  While this was a good 
thing, it now required her to commute an hour each way to Milwaukee via rural 
interstate on a daily basis.  I was traveling about 35 weeks a year and we had 
a preschooler in day care in Sheboygan.  Not a good arrangement.

After a year of this, we decide she would stay home and we would continue on in 
Sheboygan, as the commute and my travel were just too much of a burden if we 
were both working.  She went in to Harley and explained the situation to her 
superiors, who would have none of it.  “Give us some alternatives”, they said.

The alternative was that they pay towards us building a house in Port 
Washington, a small town of 9,000 halfway between Milwaukee and Sheboygan.

Done.

So we purchased a beautiful lot along Lake Michigan and had a home built, known 
to us as “The house that Harley built.”  So now I’m driving 60 some odd miles 
round trip to work daily when I’m in the office.  Not a big deal except that I 
am driving a Chevy Suburban.  Ouch.

So I go looking for a more economical car, ideally a station wagon of some 
sort.  While I’m considering Volvo diesel wagons (this is 1990) I happen to 
mention this to a customer of mine in Baltimore who is a long time MB guy.  He 
immediately tells me I need to buy a Mercedes 300TD wagon. After a barrage of 
calls and emails about this I finally cave in and start looking.  Where do I 
find one?

Indianapolis.

I fly down, check out a 1979 300TD and drive it back to Wisconsin.  No looking 
back from that point, and I don’t regret it one bit.  I do regret not knowing 
enough at the time to wait to find a turbo version, but….

Dan

P.S. - The guy in Baltimore had a 220D that lasted for over 650,000 miles, 
courtesy of Potomac German.  He still drives an MB today, not sure what model, 
though.


> On Apr 24, 2016, at 12:21 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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> 
> As I looked (on the Facebook) at an adorbs picture of the birthday boy
> sitting with the family at the symphony in Okieland, several questions ran
> through my mind (none of which were the perennial Banned Dr. Fatty
> question).
> 
> How did we all get our start diggin' MBs? Let's start a thread for that.
> One paragraph explaining how the penchant began.
> 
> 3, 2, 1, GO!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

How did we all get our start diggin' MBs? Let's start a thread for 
that.

One paragraph explaining how the penchant began.


Wanted a used car that didn't rattle and squeak, and I'd always
loved the look of the 107 cars, and I finally had room for another
car, so a 2-seater became possible.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Happy Birthday, Kaleb!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

FB reminded me, too, which is why I posted something.

I only check FB once a day, as I don’t participate there with the exception of 
a private group I belong to.

FB is a pox upon our society.

Dan


> On Apr 24, 2016, at 11:51 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I already did because the FB reminded me. You are slower than the FB.
> 
> Bob R
> On Apr 24, 2016 8:39 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
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>> Everybody should wish Kaleb a Happy Birthday!
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Happy Birthday, Kaleb!

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Kaleb.
Happy Birthday to you!
Fred.

Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Dan Penoff via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 24 April 2016 15:39
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Subject: [MBZ] Happy Birthday, Kaleb!

Everybody should wish Kaleb a Happy Birthday!

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Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

My grandmother bought a 76 240d in the late 80's. I remember going to look at 
it when she bought it in the Walmart parking lot. She bought it from the 2nd 
owner. I took my driving test in this car. I still have it which is sitting in 
the shop and has been waiting for an engine replacement since 1997. 
Unbelievable how slow I am getting this done. I have all service record back to 
new on that car.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 24, 2016, at 11:21 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> As I looked (on the Facebook) at an adorbs picture of the birthday boy
> sitting with the family at the symphony in Okieland, several questions ran
> through my mind (none of which were the perennial Banned Dr. Fatty
> question).
> 
> How did we all get our start diggin' MBs? Let's start a thread for that.
> One paragraph explaining how the penchant began.
> 
> 3, 2, 1, GO!
> 
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[MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

As I looked (on the Facebook) at an adorbs picture of the birthday boy
sitting with the family at the symphony in Okieland, several questions ran
through my mind (none of which were the perennial Banned Dr. Fatty
question).

How did we all get our start diggin' MBs? Let's start a thread for that.
One paragraph explaining how the penchant began.

3, 2, 1, GO!

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] OM617 one ton

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Kleb should offer him $500 for it

--R

On 4/24/16 10:53 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Someone needs this!

A toada with a good engine...

http://neworleans.craigslist.org/pts/5548800444.html


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Re: [MBZ] VW to offer to buy back nearly 500,000 U.S. diesel cars

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It's Eurocharged!

--R

On 4/23/16 11:59 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

So, this showed up when looking for a used MB - very interesting . . . I'm
sure it would be a LOT of fun, until the first time something breaks.

http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/5548030660.html




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Re: [MBZ] Happy Birthday, Kaleb!

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I already did because the FB reminded me. You are slower than the FB.

Bob R
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[MBZ] Happy Birthday, Kaleb!

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Everybody should wish Kaleb a Happy Birthday!



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[MBZ] OM617 one ton

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Someone needs this!

A toada with a good engine...

http://neworleans.craigslist.org/pts/5548800444.html


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