Re: [MBZ] Eviction conclusion

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Sounds like justice.

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> Subject: [MBZ] Eviction conclusion
> 
> So the last update was renters wanting to get together to work it out. We
told
> them we would not agree unless their lawyer was present or signed off on
it.
> After much stalling on the lawyers part, we finally got his approval to
meet
> with his clients. So the wife met with them today, they took her to
dinner.
> They then gave their 30 days notice so after all that they are leaving on
their
> own. Turns out they paid the lawyer $600 to show up to court for 30
minutes.
> Wow.
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Re: [MBZ] Eviction conclusion

[G Mann via Mercedes]

"The price of education is never cheap, no matter where you buy it."

All concerned are now "smarter".

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So the last update was renters wanting to get together to work it out. We
> told them we would not agree unless their lawyer was present or signed off
> on it. After much stalling on the lawyers part, we finally got his approval
> to meet with his clients. So the wife met with them today, they took her to
> dinner. They then gave their 30 days notice so after all that they are
> leaving on their own. Turns out they paid the lawyer $600 to show up to
> court for 30 minutes. Wow.
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[MBZ] Looking for a nice W140? I am selling mine.

[W140 via Mercedes]

  If you're looking for a nice W140 I am selling mine.I have a 1992 W-140 300SD 
badged as a S350 with 143,000 miles.
The car is located in Everett, Washington 25 miles North of Seattle.Just about 
EVERYTHING new and ALL factory replaced by a Mercedes dealer. 
I am a 2nd owner and have had the car since 1999.At 75,000 miles, a NEW factory 
engine, new evaporator, new turbo, new front springs, newshocks, new control 
arm bushings, new exhaust, new injection pump, new engine boost sensor/manifold 
pressure sensor new crankshaft positionsensor new wiring harness, new water 
pump, new blower motor, new enginemounts (all 3), new Fan and Fan Blade Drive 
(main coolant fan), new throttle linkages,new belt tensioner spring. new rubber 
lines, Vacuum fittings and Misc.lines, seals, gaskets, etc you name it the 
factory replaced it. If itsqueaked, clicked or hummed. I got it replaced, ALL 
RECORDS since the day it 
rolled off the boat here in Seattle.On the road I am getting 30 MPG ( I have 
got 31 but I was the only person and no baggage), 
around town getting 22 MPG. It has 800 mile legs with a 28 gal tank. 
Bose AM/FM with 6 CD capacity. Thermo-pane windows (double thick just like your 
house)

At 142,000 miles I replaced all Brakes, Generator, Radiator, A/C compressor, 
wiring Harness.
Windshield wipers.Again I have EVERY receipt since it rolled off the boat. Also 
Have ALL Original books, 
Complete Maintenance CD, Original MB 140 VCR sales Tape, 2 New Extra Filters
(Oil and Air). This car runs like a Swiss Watch.

OKNow the Bad News. Bumper paint has a few chips, 2 small Car door dings in 
left rear door, 
Just recently the antenna stopped working, this was after they replaced the 
Radiator (coincidence?)
The motor still runs but it doesn't go up. I can still get local stations. 
Right front fender has a small scrape, I cut it a little close when parking.

I can deliver anywhere for costs and trip back.

   


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[MBZ] Eviction conclusion

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So the last update was renters wanting to get together to work it out. We told 
them we would not agree unless their lawyer was present or signed off on it. 
After much stalling on the lawyers part, we finally got his approval to meet 
with his clients. So the wife met with them today, they took her to dinner. 
They then gave their 30 days notice so after all that they are leaving on their 
own. Turns out they paid the lawyer $600 to show up to court for 30 minutes. 
Wow.

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Re: [MBZ] Towing in Oklahoma -- Member Contact?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Did you CHANGE ALL the FUSES?

Marshall Booth, RIP
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Charleston SC
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'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Friday car care video

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Very persuasive. Hope I can get the necessary materials at advance auto.

On Jul 29, 2016 12:19 PM, "clay via Mercedes"  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6GsXhBb10k
>
> I only use the original factory product
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT HVAC issue

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:53:35 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> These were likely short-term transients.  But if the surge breaker 
> breaks the power to the panel during a voltage transient (of whatever 
> duration) it does its job, then if it fries that is just a $108 problem 
> rather than a $500 SC unit problem or TVs etc.?  Do I have this right?  
> I'm trying to figure out the best way to deal with this, and if the 
> lightning aspect can be helped to, that would be good.
> 
> If I understand correctly, putting one of these things in near the main 
> breaker in the panel causes the main breaker to trip -- the surge 
> breaker shorts the power to ground so as to trip the main breaker when 
> it senses surges/transients, etc.

The surge arrestor will cause the breaker to trip if the current drawn by
the surge arrestor goes above the breaker's (time-dependent) trip point.
How long that takes is determined by how much above the circuit breaker's
rating the current is (the higher the current is above the rating, the
quicker the breaker will trip, up to the time required for the mechanism
to move).

The performance of things depends upon the impedance of your AC supply.

Say, for example, your 200 A service voltage drops 10 volts from no load
to 200 A. That means a source impedance of 0.05 ohm.

Now, say you get 270 V on your service and your surge arrestor clamps at
250 V. Thus, there is a 20 V potential your surge arrestor has to drop
the voltage. This would mean a 20/0.05 = 400 A current through the surge
arrestor.

Now say the breaker trips in 25 seconds.[1] That would mean the surge
arrestor has to dissipate,

P = I * E = 400 A * 250 V = 100,000 W = 100,000 J/s

U = P * T = 100,000 J/s * 25 s = 2,500,000 J

That's a LOT of energy!

This fact was incorporated in the Los Alamos National Laboratory
Electrical Safety Standards by recognizing the commercial utility
represents an infinite energy source, which is most dangerous in arc
flash accidents (something that usually happens only on 480 V and above).

Craig


[1] Circuit Breaker Characteristic Trip Curves and Coordination
Class 0600, Schneider Electric Bulletin No. 0600DB0105, Cedar Rapids,
IA, USA, August 2001, p2.

Downloaded from:
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Re: [MBZ] OT HVAC issue

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

These were likely short-term transients.  But if the surge breaker 
breaks the power to the panel during a voltage transient (of whatever 
duration) it does its job, then if it fries that is just a $108 problem 
rather than a $500 SC unit problem or TVs etc.?  Do I have this right?  
I'm trying to figure out the best way to deal with this, and if the 
lightning aspect can be helped to, that would be good.


If I understand correctly, putting one of these things in near the main 
breaker in the panel causes the main breaker to trip -- the surge 
breaker shorts the power to ground so as to trip the main breaker when 
it senses surges/transients, etc.


Or they also have surge breakers just for one circuit that just trips 
that one circuit, so if I got one of those for the AC unit it would only 
protect that device, not everything else on the panel too.  As long as I 
am putting one in I might as well go for the whole panel protection.


--R


On 7/29/16 12:43 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 12:17:05 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:


The manager of the other system on Seabrook Island, just down the road,
said they were getting voltage readings on a 480V line of 420-540V, all
over the map ...

She says the powerco won't guarantee clean power on the Island, so we
are all pretty much screwed on the cost of the equipment.  Nice. So I
need to look at getting some surge protectors on my AC units (220V 30A
circuits) -- are there line surge protectors I can wire in at the
shutoffs by the units?  Or at the panel?

Contrary to what the others have said, surge suppressors are NOT suitable
for this job!

A surge arrestor will indeed clip surges from motors and lightning. These
are short-term excursions from the normal power.

The power company putting out 270 V (or more) on a 220/240 V line is not
necessarily a sort-term excursion. If it lasts any significant time (say,
tens of seconds), it WILL burn out the surge arrestor.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT HVAC issue

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 12:17:05 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The manager of the other system on Seabrook Island, just down the road, 
> said they were getting voltage readings on a 480V line of 420-540V, all 
> over the map ...
>
> She says the powerco won't guarantee clean power on the Island, so we 
> are all pretty much screwed on the cost of the equipment.  Nice. So I 
> need to look at getting some surge protectors on my AC units (220V 30A 
> circuits) -- are there line surge protectors I can wire in at the 
> shutoffs by the units?  Or at the panel?

Contrary to what the others have said, surge suppressors are NOT suitable
for this job!

A surge arrestor will indeed clip surges from motors and lightning. These
are short-term excursions from the normal power.

The power company putting out 270 V (or more) on a 220/240 V line is not
necessarily a sort-term excursion. If it lasts any significant time (say,
tens of seconds), it WILL burn out the surge arrestor.


Craig

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[MBZ] Friday car care video

[clay via Mercedes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6GsXhBb10k

I only use the original factory product


clay 

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1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
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[MBZ] Mercedes' new semi-autonomous bus

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Looks really cool.

http://smartcitiescouncil.com/article/meet-autonomous-bus-could-get-people-out-their-cars
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Re: [MBZ] Towing in Oklahoma -- Member Contact?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Ok don lives just off i35

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> On Jul 29, 2016, at 8:37 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm going to be driving my old 92 Ford F-150 today or tomorrow down to 
> Ardmore, Oklahoma (straight shot down I-35) and will return towing my 
> stepdaughter's new-to-her car on a flat-bed trailer. 
> 
> Any members close to I-35 along that stretch?  I'm hopeful the trip will be 
> uneventful. If it's not, I'm wondering if anyone is in the area for some 
> mechanical assistance.  
> 
> The truck has new rear tires, a very sturdy extra heavy duty tow bumper, new 
> water pump, new plugs and wires, coolant flush, and all fluids checked and 
> topped off.  
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT HVAC issue

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
July 29, 2016 at 8:50 AM

 Turns out cheap PC's is what they wanted, like
everybody else. (All hail Windows and the ability to play solitaire at
your desk.) That company is gone now.

-- Jim
I love Active directory Group  Policies for that reason.   I can lock 
those bozos out of solitare, minsweeper and whatever.   Even if they 
drag in the software and rename the exe.

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Re: [MBZ] OT HVAC issue

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> The basic job of a UPS is to replace the power when gets too
> low.  It may do nothing if it's too high.


My APC and FerrUPS units all will cut over to battery if the power is too
low, too high, or out-of-range on frequency.  The FerrUPS units also have a
mode where they're only doing power conditioning, and will just cut off and
not go to battery if the power is bad enough.  They are the 'always-on'
type of unit.  They're large, heavy, hot, noisy, inefficient, and
expensive.  Of the four 'big guns' I have, only one is in service, on the
computer cluster.  An APC 2kVA.  The rest are all in 'reserve'.

That said, except for lightning strikes bad power *should* not damage your
electronics, not if it is well-designed to begin with.
But a lot of it isn't.  I have a story about bad power in Puerto Rico: a
bank branch there had a lot of our equipment in the 80's.  Power there was
unreliable, so the bank had an automatic backup generator.  High winds came
up from an unusual direction, and started slapping the area's high-voltage
power feed lines together.  The backup system's contactor fused in the
shore power direction, and the bank watched helplessly as the power bounced
on and off with the wind, with who knows what kinds of bad inductive and
other surges due to this mess.  After a few minutes this stopped, and there
were curls of smoke coming from all kinds of dead office equipment.  Every
bit of our gear was running perfectly, as if nothing had happened.  They
were impressed.  We were still using CVT linear power supplies at that
time, which sure didn't hurt.  It's hard to kill heavy iron and copper.
 (This is the same technology used by the FerrUPS units.)  Also, we
designed very conservatively, and tested/abused the crap out of it before
entering production.  Yes, our gear was on the expensive side, but we
(erroneously as it turned out) believed that reliability was a top concern
in the banking industry.  Turns out cheap PC's is what they wanted, like
everybody else.  (All hail Windows and the ability to play solitaire at
your desk.)  That company is gone now.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT HVAC issue

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Thanks.  I think I'm going to get one of those surge breakers that sits 
right at the panel breaker, should provide some protection to all the 
circuits instead of just one surge breaker on the AC unit.  They have an 
LED indicator to show when they are still working, so that is an 
indicator if they have fried too.


--FT


On 7/29/16 5:07 AM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

Floyd wrote:

Looked like a power hit but there were no storms
in the area, so it was the powerco sending out trash power,
voltage up and down, surges, etc.

The manager of the other system on Seabrook Island, just
down the road, said they were getting voltage readings on a
480V line of 420-540V,



It was exactly the time my AC unit board blew out



She says the powerco won't guarantee clean power on the
Island, so we are all pretty much screwed on the cost of
the equipment.  Nice. So I need to look at getting some
surge protectors on my AC units (220V 30A circuits) -- are
there line surge protectors I can wire in at the shutoffs
by the units?  Or at the panel?


The best place for that kind of protection is at the service
entrance.  I know there are devices that sorta attached
between the meter and the meter base.  That will do a _great_
job of keeping the uglies out of the house.  It will _not_
keep lightning out if the strike is close by - 'cause it will
come in through the walls and "infect" all electrically
conductive substances.


I guess I need to get some little UPSs or surge protectors
for my TVs and stereo equipment too.  I have been thinking
about that anyway as there are lightning hits around quite
often, so that makes sense, and now with the AC unit.


The basic job of a UPS is to replace the power when gets too
low.  It may do nothing if it's too high.

SurgeX is a top brand for high quality TVSS (transient
voltage suppression system), especially for audio, video, and
other system that have non-power wires between gear plugged
into different outlets.

Lowell Mfg makes good units for similar applications.

That said, if the air conditioner is NOT connected to any
other gear plugged into other outlets, a cheap MOV TVSS is
suitable.  Keep in mind, the MOV is a sacrificial type
protector and once it's "worn out" it usually fails
silently.  That is, everything still works, but the
protection is gone.

The idea in almost all TVS systems is to short the supply
line anytime the voltage is too high.   This happens very
fast.  But if the transient is big enough, or long enough, it
will trip the fuse or circuit breaker.  So for computer gear,
it's a good idea to put the TVSS in front of the UPS.

Also, I recall Mitch mentioning some forums recommending a
independent ground rod for the air conditioner.

   !!!  THIS IS A BAD IDEA  !!!
It will _cause_ problems, not solve them.  And it's
dangerous.  NEC (National Electric Code) is very clear about
NOT using independent grounds rods.  ALL ground wires MUST
connect to one ground point.  The ground point can have
multiple rods connected together but all service equipment
grounds must be connected at the same place.

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[MBZ] Towing in Oklahoma -- Member Contact?

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I'm going to be driving my old 92 Ford F-150 today or tomorrow down to Ardmore, 
Oklahoma (straight shot down I-35) and will return towing my stepdaughter's 
new-to-her car on a flat-bed trailer. 

Any members close to I-35 along that stretch?  I'm hopeful the trip will be 
uneventful. If it's not, I'm wondering if anyone is in the area for some 
mechanical assistance.  

The truck has new rear tires, a very sturdy extra heavy duty tow bumper, new 
water pump, new plugs and wires, coolant flush, and all fluids checked and 
topped off.  

Donald H. Snook




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Re: [MBZ] Putting a Lambo to good use - towing goats and bales of hay

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Finally checked out the original post in this thread. Judging from the rustic look of the trailer, I would have said cheap Fiberfab Kit Car if it had a USA plate on it. (and, going from the subject of the email, I was thinking Lamborghini Trattori, for Ferruccio Lamborghini made his fortune in tractors before he started dabbling in supercars)Mitch.On July 27, 2016 at 4:13 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes  wrote:My code-word for a (70s) caddylac was Missouri Cattle Truck. We'd see them used to haul calves into the livestock sales, (or home from the sale) They'd take out the bottom back seat cushion, and stuff the calves in.Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes July 27, 2016 at 2:29 PMWho says all Lamborghini owners are stereotypically rich? Some are workinggoat tenders.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3709820/You-kidding-bizarre-moment-Lamborghini-seen-towing-trailer-GOATS-hay-bales.html___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

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Re: [MBZ] OT HVAC issue

[fmiser via Mercedes]

Floyd wrote:

Looked like a power hit but there were no storms
in the area, so it was the powerco sending out trash power,
voltage up and down, surges, etc.

The manager of the other system on Seabrook Island, just
down the road, said they were getting voltage readings on a
480V line of 420-540V,



It was exactly the time my AC unit board blew out



She says the powerco won't guarantee clean power on the
Island, so we are all pretty much screwed on the cost of
the equipment.  Nice. So I need to look at getting some
surge protectors on my AC units (220V 30A circuits) -- are
there line surge protectors I can wire in at the shutoffs
by the units?  Or at the panel?


The best place for that kind of protection is at the service
entrance.  I know there are devices that sorta attached
between the meter and the meter base.  That will do a _great_
job of keeping the uglies out of the house.  It will _not_
keep lightning out if the strike is close by - 'cause it will
come in through the walls and "infect" all electrically
conductive substances.


I guess I need to get some little UPSs or surge protectors
for my TVs and stereo equipment too.  I have been thinking
about that anyway as there are lightning hits around quite
often, so that makes sense, and now with the AC unit.


The basic job of a UPS is to replace the power when gets too
low.  It may do nothing if it's too high.

SurgeX is a top brand for high quality TVSS (transient
voltage suppression system), especially for audio, video, and
other system that have non-power wires between gear plugged
into different outlets.

Lowell Mfg makes good units for similar applications.

That said, if the air conditioner is NOT connected to any
other gear plugged into other outlets, a cheap MOV TVSS is
suitable.  Keep in mind, the MOV is a sacrificial type
protector and once it's "worn out" it usually fails
silently.  That is, everything still works, but the
protection is gone.

The idea in almost all TVS systems is to short the supply
line anytime the voltage is too high.   This happens very
fast.  But if the transient is big enough, or long enough, it
will trip the fuse or circuit breaker.  So for computer gear,
it's a good idea to put the TVSS in front of the UPS.

Also, I recall Mitch mentioning some forums recommending a
independent ground rod for the air conditioner.

   !!!  THIS IS A BAD IDEA  !!!
It will _cause_ problems, not solve them.  And it's
dangerous.  NEC (National Electric Code) is very clear about
NOT using independent grounds rods.  ALL ground wires MUST
connect to one ground point.  The ground point can have
multiple rods connected together but all service equipment
grounds must be connected at the same place.

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