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Re: [MBZ] My new internet speeds

2016-07-31 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

Who are you using again??? Are they in my area?

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> This is what I am currently getting while Netflix is streaming in full
> 1080p on the TV and the kid is in the other room watching videos.
>
> A detailed image for this result can be found here:
> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/i/1727173908
>
> Test Date: Jul 31, 2016 9:23 PM
> Download: 23.85 Mbps
> Upload: 3.03 Mbps
> Ping: 39 ms
> Connection Type: Wi-Fi
> Server: Bixby, OK
> External IP: 67.217.150.230
> Internal IP: 10.0.0.4
> Latitude: 36.7361
> Longitude: -95.6069
> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q=36.736056,-95.606946
>
> Ookla operates Ookla Speedtest using a massive global infrastructure to
> minimize the impact of Internet congestion and latency. With millions of
> tests performed every day across thousands of servers, Ookla Speedtest is
> the de facto standard for primary network testing.
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> Ookla Speedtest uses the same core technology found in the Ookla suite of
> products which are used by a wide variety of organizations.
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> Learn more at www.ookla.com.
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Re: [MBZ] Sickbay Report

2016-07-31 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> They let you drive or you ignored that part? When I had stents they
> wouldn't let me drive for a week. I worked the following week.
>

With me, they said 24 hours.  Guess stent technology is improving.

Medicos say I'm good to go back on the 8th.

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[MBZ] My new internet speeds

2016-07-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

This is what I am currently getting while Netflix is streaming in full 1080p on 
the TV and the kid is in the other room watching videos.

A detailed image for this result can be found here: 
http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/i/1727173908

Test Date: Jul 31, 2016 9:23 PM
Download: 23.85 Mbps
Upload: 3.03 Mbps
Ping: 39 ms
Connection Type: Wi-Fi
Server: Bixby, OK
External IP: 67.217.150.230
Internal IP: 10.0.0.4
Latitude: 36.7361
Longitude: -95.6069
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q=36.736056,-95.606946

Ookla operates Ookla Speedtest using a massive global infrastructure to 
minimize the impact of Internet congestion and latency. With millions of tests 
performed every day across thousands of servers, Ookla Speedtest is the de 
facto standard for primary network testing.

Ookla Speedtest uses the same core technology found in the Ookla suite of 
products which are used by a wide variety of organizations.

Learn more at www.ookla.com.


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz Classic Cars

2016-07-31 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

It is because I intensely dislike any program that demands I join in order
to use it, then floods me with loads of crap I don't want, or care to use.

Have fun with it.. it apparently suits you.

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> Is that b/c nobody "likes" you?
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> > Damnation I hate facebook 
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz Classic Cars

2016-07-31 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Is that b/c nobody "likes" you?

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 9:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
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> Damnation I hate facebook 
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Re: [MBZ] Walt's W140 in Seattle For Sale

2016-07-31 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

So what is the CHEAPEST electric ca on the used car market now?

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> Yup, the very same
>
> Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>> July 31, 2016 at 4:11 PM
>>
>> As in AlexG from CH?
>> mao
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>> Alex G. is in Calif, I hear, looking at overpriced electric gocarts
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>> July 30, 2016 at 6:39 PM
>> Sounds like a great car to start a road trip in Seattle with!
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
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>> On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 3:33 PM, W140 via Mercedes > >
>>
>>
>> W140 via Mercedes 
>> July 30, 2016 at 2:33 PM
>> If you're looking for a nice W140 I am selling mine. Asking $9500
>> OBOI have a 1992 W-140 300SD badged as a S350 with 143,000 miles.
>> The car is located in Everett, Washington 25 miles North of Seattle.Just
>> about EVERYTHING new and ALL factory replaced by a Mercedes dealer.
>> I am a 2nd owner and have had the car since 1998.At 75,000 miles, a NEW
>> factory engine, new evaporator, new turbo, new front springs, newshocks,
>> new control arm bushings, new exhaust, new injection pump, new engine boost
>> sensor/manifold pressure sensor new crankshaft positionsensor new wiring
>> harness, new water pump, new blower motor, new enginemounts (all 3), new
>> Fan and Fan Blade Drive (main coolant fan), new throttle linkages,new belt
>> tensioner spring. new rubber lines, Vacuum fittings and Misc.lines, seals,
>> gaskets, etc you name it the factory replaced it. If itsqueaked, clicked or
>> hummed. I got it replaced, ALL RECORDS since the day it
>> rolled off the boat here in Seattle.On the road I am getting 30 MPG (I
>> have got 31 but I was the only me and my toothbrush),
>> around town getting 22 MPG. It has 800 mile legs with a 28 gal tank.
>> Bose AM/FM with 6 CD capacity. Also have the original Books, First Aid
>> packet and Tool Kit.Thermo-pane windows (double thick just like your house)
>>
>> At 142,000 miles I replaced all Brakes, Generator, Radiator, A/C
>> compressor, wiring Harness.
>> Windshield wipers.Again I have EVERY receipt since it rolled off the
>> boat. Also Have ALL Original books,
>> Complete Maintenance CD, Original MB 140 VCR sales Tape, 2 New Extra
>> Filters
>> (Oil and Air) and an extra Hub for your snow tires. This car runs like a
>> Swiss Watch.
>>
>> OKNow the Bad News. Bumper paint has a few chips, 2 small Car door
>> dings in left rear door,
>> Just recently the antenna stopped working, this was after they replaced
>> the Radiator (coincidence?)
>> The motor still runs but it doesn't go up. I can still get local stations
>> though.
>> Right front fender has a small scrape, I cut it a little close when
>> parking.
>>
>> I can deliver anywhere for costs and trip back.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz Classic Cars

2016-07-31 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

Damnation I hate facebook 



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Re: [MBZ] MB Parts Accounts at epc.startekinfo.com -- $75 Membership Fee will be charged/

2016-07-31 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

Sadly I'm told the same thing is true of VW dealers when it comes to TDIs. 
Apparently the TDI timing belt tensioner installs opposite of how the gassers 
do and the dealer "techs" routinely install them backwards trashing the belt in 
short order and quickly leading to the demise of the engine.
VW dealers are also known for often putting the wrong oil into TDIs...
-Curt

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Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
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Fee will be charged/
   
Moral of the story is: "don't trust the stealer for anything."  There is 
a reason they are called stealers.  YMMV.

Gerry, same reason I decided to keep the 123 240Ds. (and 124 300Ds and SDLs)

> archer75--- via Mercedes 
> July 31, 2016 at 5:32 PM
> Thanks, Larry. That seems to be a growing racket on programs that are 
> periodically renewed. It happened to me on www.malwarebytes.com
> Malwarebytes kept my CC number and charged it the following year 
> without my permission. Neither the bank nor Visa wanted to make them 
> refund.
> I asked the bank twice, and both times they promised to get a refund, 
> but they never have.
>
> I've thought about getting a late model Mercedes to replace my two 
> 123's, but since a Mercedes dealers mechanics mistake destroyed the 
> engine in my daughters '08 GL320cdi, told her she needed a new engine, 
> and charged her $2000 for repairing the brakes; (both the engine and 
> the brakes were working quite well after a 100 mile highway trip to 
> the dealer when she went in for a scheduled oil change.); I've decided 
> to keep the 123s or switch to another make.
> Daughter hired a lawyer who made the dealer pay for a new engine from 
> a German owned Indy who had it shipped from Germany, and refund the 
> $2000 which she had not approved, but she was still out $1500 paid to 
> the lawyer plus the time, trouble, and travel.
>
> Gerry
> ~~
>
>
> Larry T via Mercedes 
> July 31, 2016 at 3:30 PM
> Hi All,
> I just got a shock - my credit card was charged $75 for a "Membership" 
> in the Parts Program at MB. Don't know about the others but I joined 
> to gain access to their Parts Diagrams. I just learned the program is 
> being managed by a different company which will no longer off the 
> "Free" subscriptions. The problem is, they have our credit cards on 
> file and I found out they are not shy about charging the cards without 
> much (any?)
> pre-authorization. At least they didn't in my case. I found my CC had 
> been charged $75 to renew the "Free" membership only when I saw it on 
> my bank statement. As those who created memberships know, they 
> required a CC to confirm something or other.
>
> Anyway, if you have memberships, be sure you cancel or whatever before 
> they charge your card unless the parts diagrams are that important to 
> you to pay $75/year for membership.
>
> Now, I am trying to get the $75 refunded.
>
> I hope everyine is having a great weekend?
>
> LarryT
> 91 300D
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> Inexpensive Oil Test Kits!
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Re: [MBZ] MB Parts Accounts at epc.startekinfo.com -- $75 Membership Fee will be charged/

2016-07-31 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

Ecklers  has good diagrams for free   but I don't know how they compare to
MB

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI

On Jul 31, 2016 4:30 PM, "Larry T via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Hi All,
> I just got a shock - my credit card was charged $75 for a "Membership" in
> the Parts Program at MB. Don't know about the others but I joined to gain
> access to their Parts Diagrams. I just learned the program is being managed
> by a different company which will no longer off the "Free" subscriptions.
> The problem is, they have our credit cards on file and I found out they are
> not shy about charging the cards without much (any?)
> pre-authorization. At least they didn't in my case. I found my CC had been
> charged $75 to renew the "Free" membership only when I saw it on my bank
> statement. As those who created memberships know, they required a CC to
> confirm something or other.
>
> Anyway, if you have memberships, be sure you cancel or whatever before
> they charge your card unless the parts diagrams are that important to you
> to pay $75/year for membership.
>
> Now, I am trying to get the $75 refunded.
>
> I hope everyine is having a great weekend?
>
> LarryT
> 91 300D
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Re: [MBZ] MB Parts Accounts at epc.startekinfo.com -- $75 Membership Fee will be charged/

2016-07-31 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

It was a weird explanation from the dealer. Daughter had spend thousands with 
the dealer since the car was new. Dealer probably thought she would pay any 
bill without question just like she had always done.
Gerry 

"Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> Why in the world would they be putting chains in when it was brought in for a 
> simple oil change? Wow.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jul 31, 2016, at 6:43 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I think I wrote about it before the case was settled.
> > 
> > There was nothing wrong with the engine. Daughter took it in for routine 
> > oil change; nothing else.
> > For some reason, mechanic went into the engine, put the chain back wrong, 
> > cranked it up, and destroyed the engine; according to dealer.
> > Dealer billed her $15K plus $2000 for brake repairs (no engine or brake 
> > trouble lights had come on).
> > I hooked her up with Continental Imports, an indy I've known for a long 
> > time, they put in a new engine, and it has run fine since then.
> > Gerry
> > 
> > "Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> >> Have we heard this story? I don't remember it. What was the deal with the 
> >> engine?
> > 
> >>> On Jul 31, 2016, at 5:32 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks, Larry. That seems to be a growing racket on programs that are 
> >>> periodically renewed. It happened to me on www.malwarebytes.com
> >>> Malwarebytes kept my CC number and charged it the following year without 
> >>> my permission. Neither the bank nor Visa wanted to make them refund.
> >>> I asked the bank twice, and both times they promised to get a refund, but 
> >>> they never have. 
> >>> 
> >>> I've thought about getting a late model Mercedes to replace my two 123's, 
> >>> but since a Mercedes dealers mechanics mistake destroyed the engine in my 
> >>> daughters '08 GL320cdi, told her she needed a new engine, and charged her 
> >>> $2000 for repairing the brakes; (both the engine and the brakes were 
> >>> working quite well after a 100 mile highway trip to the dealer when she 
> >>> went in for a scheduled oil change.); I've decided to keep the 123s or 
> >>> switch to another make. 
> >>> Daughter hired a lawyer who made the dealer pay for a new engine from a 
> >>> German owned Indy who had it shipped from Germany, and refund the $2000 
> >>> which she had not approved, but she was still out $1500 paid to the 
> >>> lawyer plus the time, trouble, and travel.
> >>> 
> >>> Gerry
> >>> ~~
> >>> Larry T wrote:
>  Hi All, 
>  I just got a shock - my credit card was charged $75 for a "Membership" 
>  in the Parts Program at MB. Don't know about the others but I joined to 
>  gain access to their Parts Diagrams. I just learned the program is being 
>  managed by a different company which will no longer offer the "Free" 
>  subscriptions. The problem is, they have our credit cards on file and I 
>  found out they are not shy about charging the cards without much (any?) 
>  pre-authorization. At least they didn't in my case. I found my CC had 
>  been charged $75 to renew the "Free" membership only when I saw it on my 
>  bank statement. As those who created memberships know, they required a 
>  CC to confirm something or other. 
>  
>  Anyway, if you have memberships, be sure you cancel or whatever before 
>  they charge your card unless the parts diagrams are that important to 
>  you to pay $75/year for membership. 
>  
>  Now, I am trying to get the $75 refunded. 
>  
>  I hope everyine is having a great weekend? 
>  
>  LarryT 
>  91 300D 
>  Let your engine tell you how healthy it is! Visit www.youroil.net For 
>  Inexpensive Oil Test Kits! 
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Re: [MBZ] MB Parts Accounts at epc.startekinfo.com -- $75 Membership Fee will be charged/

2016-07-31 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


My last sign-up was in April 2015, my subscription expired this April and when I tried to sign in I was prompted to pay if I wanted to continue, and I didn't. There's no way they could 'accidentally' auto-renew me after that, but of course I didn't save the screen shots of the 'your subscription has expired' session. The annoying part is I don't remember which card I used for the 'we won't charge your card, just give it to us for the Hell of it'. If I do get hit for $75, I'm strongly considering filing a class action against MBZ for credit card fraud, as they're the ones who took my card info under false pretenses. Mitch.
 

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Re: [MBZ] MB Parts Accounts at epc.startekinfo.com -- $75 Membership Fee will be charged/

2016-07-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

Why in the world would they be putting chains in when it was brought in for a 
simple oil change? Wow.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 31, 2016, at 6:43 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I think I wrote about it before the case was settled.
> 
> There was nothing wrong with the engine. Daughter took it in for routine oil 
> change; nothing else.
> For some reason, mechanic went into the engine, put the chain back wrong, 
> cranked it up, and destroyed the engine; according to dealer.
> Dealer billed her $15K plus $2000 for brake repairs (no engine or brake 
> trouble lights had come on).
> I hooked her up with Continental Imports, an indy I've known for a long time, 
> they put in a new engine, and it has run fine since then.
> Gerry
> 
> "Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>> Have we heard this story? I don't remember it. What was the deal with the 
>> engine?
> 
>>> On Jul 31, 2016, at 5:32 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Larry. That seems to be a growing racket on programs that are 
>>> periodically renewed. It happened to me on www.malwarebytes.com
>>> Malwarebytes kept my CC number and charged it the following year without my 
>>> permission. Neither the bank nor Visa wanted to make them refund.
>>> I asked the bank twice, and both times they promised to get a refund, but 
>>> they never have. 
>>> 
>>> I've thought about getting a late model Mercedes to replace my two 123's, 
>>> but since a Mercedes dealers mechanics mistake destroyed the engine in my 
>>> daughters '08 GL320cdi, told her she needed a new engine, and charged her 
>>> $2000 for repairing the brakes; (both the engine and the brakes were 
>>> working quite well after a 100 mile highway trip to the dealer when she 
>>> went in for a scheduled oil change.); I've decided to keep the 123s or 
>>> switch to another make. 
>>> Daughter hired a lawyer who made the dealer pay for a new engine from a 
>>> German owned Indy who had it shipped from Germany, and refund the $2000 
>>> which she had not approved, but she was still out $1500 paid to the lawyer 
>>> plus the time, trouble, and travel.
>>> 
>>> Gerry
>>> ~~
>>> Larry T wrote:
 Hi All, 
 I just got a shock - my credit card was charged $75 for a "Membership" in 
 the Parts Program at MB. Don't know about the others but I joined to gain 
 access to their Parts Diagrams. I just learned the program is being 
 managed by a different company which will no longer offer the "Free" 
 subscriptions. The problem is, they have our credit cards on file and I 
 found out they are not shy about charging the cards without much (any?) 
 pre-authorization. At least they didn't in my case. I found my CC had been 
 charged $75 to renew the "Free" membership only when I saw it on my bank 
 statement. As those who created memberships know, they required a CC to 
 confirm something or other. 
 
 Anyway, if you have memberships, be sure you cancel or whatever before 
 they charge your card unless the parts diagrams are that important to you 
 to pay $75/year for membership. 
 
 Now, I am trying to get the $75 refunded. 
 
 I hope everyine is having a great weekend? 
 
 LarryT 
 91 300D 
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Re: [MBZ] amplifire 1200 wats

2016-07-31 Thread Russ Williams via Mercedes

If he needs trunk space get rid of the amplifire kiker speaker system 
and the gadaful 18" rubber bands.



On Sun,7/31/16 18:38, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:


1200 wat Amplifire,  with attached car.

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
July 31, 2016 at 3:39 PM
What could go wrong?

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5707994405.html



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Re: [MBZ] MB Parts Accounts at epc.startekinfo.com -- $75 Membership Fee will be charged/

2016-07-31 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

Moral of the story is: "don't trust the stealer for anything."  There is 
a reason they are called stealers.   YMMV.


Gerry, same reason I decided to keep the 123 240Ds. (and 124 300Ds and SDLs)


archer75--- via Mercedes 
July 31, 2016 at 5:32 PM
Thanks, Larry. That seems to be a growing racket on programs that are 
periodically renewed. It happened to me on www.malwarebytes.com
Malwarebytes kept my CC number and charged it the following year 
without my permission. Neither the bank nor Visa wanted to make them 
refund.
I asked the bank twice, and both times they promised to get a refund, 
but they never have.


I've thought about getting a late model Mercedes to replace my two 
123's, but since a Mercedes dealers mechanics mistake destroyed the 
engine in my daughters '08 GL320cdi, told her she needed a new engine, 
and charged her $2000 for repairing the brakes; (both the engine and 
the brakes were working quite well after a 100 mile highway trip to 
the dealer when she went in for a scheduled oil change.); I've decided 
to keep the 123s or switch to another make.
Daughter hired a lawyer who made the dealer pay for a new engine from 
a German owned Indy who had it shipped from Germany, and refund the 
$2000 which she had not approved, but she was still out $1500 paid to 
the lawyer plus the time, trouble, and travel.


Gerry
~~


Larry T via Mercedes 
July 31, 2016 at 3:30 PM
Hi All,
I just got a shock - my credit card was charged $75 for a "Membership" 
in the Parts Program at MB. Don't know about the others but I joined 
to gain access to their Parts Diagrams. I just learned the program is 
being managed by a different company which will no longer off the 
"Free" subscriptions. The problem is, they have our credit cards on 
file and I found out they are not shy about charging the cards without 
much (any?)
pre-authorization. At least they didn't in my case. I found my CC had 
been charged $75 to renew the "Free" membership only when I saw it on 
my bank statement. As those who created memberships know, they 
required a CC to confirm something or other.


Anyway, if you have memberships, be sure you cancel or whatever before 
they charge your card unless the parts diagrams are that important to 
you to pay $75/year for membership.


Now, I am trying to get the $75 refunded.

I hope everyine is having a great weekend?

LarryT
91 300D
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Inexpensive Oil Test Kits!

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Re: [MBZ] MB Parts Accounts at epc.startekinfo.com -- $75 Membership Fee will be charged/

2016-07-31 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

Mercedes benz of south atlanta makes some form of the parts books 
available online.  It is FREE and does not require a CC.


THis is why I never wanted to give those clowns a CC number.  This and 
the fact that it was windoze only.   Windoze only has been outdated for 
at least 15 years.



Larry T via Mercedes 
July 31, 2016 at 3:30 PM
Hi All,
I just got a shock - my credit card was charged $75 for a "Membership" 
in the Parts Program at MB. Don't know about the others but I joined 
to gain access to their Parts Diagrams. I just learned the program is 
being managed by a different company which will no longer off the 
"Free" subscriptions. The problem is, they have our credit cards on 
file and I found out they are not shy about charging the cards without 
much (any?)
pre-authorization. At least they didn't in my case. I found my CC had 
been charged $75 to renew the "Free" membership only when I saw it on 
my bank statement. As those who created memberships know, they 
required a CC to confirm something or other.


Anyway, if you have memberships, be sure you cancel or whatever before 
they charge your card unless the parts diagrams are that important to 
you to pay $75/year for membership.


Now, I am trying to get the $75 refunded.

I hope everyine is having a great weekend?

LarryT
91 300D
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Inexpensive Oil Test Kits!


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Re: [MBZ] MB Parts Accounts at epc.startekinfo.com -- $75 Membership Fee will be charged/

2016-07-31 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

I think I wrote about it before the case was settled.
 
There was nothing wrong with the engine. Daughter took it in for routine oil 
change; nothing else.
For some reason, mechanic went into the engine, put the chain back wrong, 
cranked it up, and destroyed the engine; according to dealer.
Dealer billed her $15K plus $2000 for brake repairs (no engine or brake trouble 
lights had come on).
I hooked her up with Continental Imports, an indy I've known for a long time, 
they put in a new engine, and it has run fine since then.
Gerry

"Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> Have we heard this story? I don't remember it. What was the deal with the 
> engine?

> > On Jul 31, 2016, at 5:32 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks, Larry. That seems to be a growing racket on programs that are 
> > periodically renewed. It happened to me on www.malwarebytes.com
> > Malwarebytes kept my CC number and charged it the following year without my 
> > permission. Neither the bank nor Visa wanted to make them refund.
> > I asked the bank twice, and both times they promised to get a refund, but 
> > they never have. 
> > 
> > I've thought about getting a late model Mercedes to replace my two 123's, 
> > but since a Mercedes dealers mechanics mistake destroyed the engine in my 
> > daughters '08 GL320cdi, told her she needed a new engine, and charged her 
> > $2000 for repairing the brakes; (both the engine and the brakes were 
> > working quite well after a 100 mile highway trip to the dealer when she 
> > went in for a scheduled oil change.); I've decided to keep the 123s or 
> > switch to another make. 
> > Daughter hired a lawyer who made the dealer pay for a new engine from a 
> > German owned Indy who had it shipped from Germany, and refund the $2000 
> > which she had not approved, but she was still out $1500 paid to the lawyer 
> > plus the time, trouble, and travel.
> > 
> > Gerry
> > ~~
> > Larry T wrote:
> >> Hi All, 
> >> I just got a shock - my credit card was charged $75 for a "Membership" in 
> >> the Parts Program at MB. Don't know about the others but I joined to gain 
> >> access to their Parts Diagrams. I just learned the program is being 
> >> managed by a different company which will no longer offer the "Free" 
> >> subscriptions. The problem is, they have our credit cards on file and I 
> >> found out they are not shy about charging the cards without much (any?) 
> >> pre-authorization. At least they didn't in my case. I found my CC had been 
> >> charged $75 to renew the "Free" membership only when I saw it on my bank 
> >> statement. As those who created memberships know, they required a CC to 
> >> confirm something or other. 
> >> 
> >> Anyway, if you have memberships, be sure you cancel or whatever before 
> >> they charge your card unless the parts diagrams are that important to you 
> >> to pay $75/year for membership. 
> >> 
> >> Now, I am trying to get the $75 refunded. 
> >> 
> >> I hope everyine is having a great weekend? 
> >> 
> >> LarryT 
> >> 91 300D 
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> >> Inexpensive Oil Test Kits! 
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Re: [MBZ] Walt's W140 in Seattle For Sale

2016-07-31 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes


Yup, the very same


Mountain Man via Mercedes 
July 31, 2016 at 4:11 PM

As in AlexG from CH?
mao

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Curley McLain 
July 31, 2016 at 2:19 PM
Alex G. is in Calif, I hear, looking at overpriced electric gocarts 
(tesla).   He should buy Walt's car.



Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
July 30, 2016 at 6:39 PM
Sounds like a great car to start a road trip in Seattle with!

Good luck!

Jaime


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W140 via Mercedes 
July 30, 2016 at 2:33 PM
If you're looking for a nice W140 I am selling mine. Asking $9500 
OBOI have a 1992 W-140 300SD badged as a S350 with 143,000 miles.
The car is located in Everett, Washington 25 miles North of 
Seattle.Just about EVERYTHING new and ALL factory replaced by a 
Mercedes dealer.
I am a 2nd owner and have had the car since 1998.At 75,000 miles, a 
NEW factory engine, new evaporator, new turbo, new front springs, 
newshocks, new control arm bushings, new exhaust, new injection pump, 
new engine boost sensor/manifold pressure sensor new crankshaft 
positionsensor new wiring harness, new water pump, new blower motor, 
new enginemounts (all 3), new Fan and Fan Blade Drive (main coolant 
fan), new throttle linkages,new belt tensioner spring. new rubber 
lines, Vacuum fittings and Misc.lines, seals, gaskets, etc you name it 
the factory replaced it. If itsqueaked, clicked or hummed. I got it 
replaced, ALL RECORDS since the day it
rolled off the boat here in Seattle.On the road I am getting 30 MPG (I 
have got 31 but I was the only me and my toothbrush),

around town getting 22 MPG. It has 800 mile legs with a 28 gal tank.
Bose AM/FM with 6 CD capacity. Also have the original Books, First Aid 
packet and Tool Kit.Thermo-pane windows (double thick just like your 
house)


At 142,000 miles I replaced all Brakes, Generator, Radiator, A/C 
compressor, wiring Harness.
Windshield wipers.Again I have EVERY receipt since it rolled off the 
boat. Also Have ALL Original books,
Complete Maintenance CD, Original MB 140 VCR sales Tape, 2 New Extra 
Filters
(Oil and Air) and an extra Hub for your snow tires. This car runs like 
a Swiss Watch.


OKNow the Bad News. Bumper paint has a few chips, 2 small Car door 
dings in left rear door,
Just recently the antenna stopped working, this was after they 
replaced the Radiator (coincidence?)
The motor still runs but it doesn't go up. I can still get local 
stations though.
Right front fender has a small scrape, I cut it a little close when 
parking.


I can deliver anywhere for costs and trip back.


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Re: [MBZ] amplifire 1200 wats

2016-07-31 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes



1200 wat Amplifire,  with attached car.

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
July 31, 2016 at 3:39 PM
What could go wrong?

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5707994405.html



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Re: [MBZ] MB Parts Accounts at epc.startekinfo.com -- $75 Membership Fee will be charged/

2016-07-31 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

Thanks for the heads up Larry, I'll check mine, hope I'm not in the same boat.
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2016-07-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

Have we heard this story? I don't remember it. What was the deal with the 
engine?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 31, 2016, at 5:32 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Larry. That seems to be a growing racket on programs that are 
> periodically renewed. It happened to me on www.malwarebytes.com
> Malwarebytes kept my CC number and charged it the following year without my 
> permission. Neither the bank nor Visa wanted to make them refund.
> I asked the bank twice, and both times they promised to get a refund, but 
> they never have. 
> 
> I've thought about getting a late model Mercedes to replace my two 123's, but 
> since a Mercedes dealers mechanics mistake destroyed the engine in my 
> daughters '08 GL320cdi, told her she needed a new engine, and charged her 
> $2000 for repairing the brakes; (both the engine and the brakes were working 
> quite well after a 100 mile highway trip to the dealer when she went in for a 
> scheduled oil change.); I've decided to keep the 123s or switch to another 
> make. 
> Daughter hired a lawyer who made the dealer pay for a new engine from a 
> German owned Indy who had it shipped from Germany, and refund the $2000 which 
> she had not approved, but she was still out $1500 paid to the lawyer plus the 
> time, trouble, and travel.
> 
> Gerry
> ~~
> Larry T wrote:
>> Hi All, 
>> I just got a shock - my credit card was charged $75 for a "Membership" in 
>> the Parts Program at MB. Don't know about the others but I joined to gain 
>> access to their Parts Diagrams. I just learned the program is being managed 
>> by a different company which will no longer offer the "Free" subscriptions. 
>> The problem is, they have our credit cards on file and I found out they are 
>> not shy about charging the cards without much (any?) 
>> pre-authorization. At least they didn't in my case. I found my CC had been 
>> charged $75 to renew the "Free" membership only when I saw it on my bank 
>> statement. As those who created memberships know, they required a CC to 
>> confirm something or other. 
>> 
>> Anyway, if you have memberships, be sure you cancel or whatever before they 
>> charge your card unless the parts diagrams are that important to you to pay 
>> $75/year for membership. 
>> 
>> Now, I am trying to get the $75 refunded. 
>> 
>> I hope everyine is having a great weekend? 
>> 
>> LarryT 
>> 91 300D 
>> Let your engine tell you how healthy it is! Visit www.youroil.net For 
>> Inexpensive Oil Test Kits! 
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2016-07-31 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

Thanks, Larry. That seems to be a growing racket on programs that are 
periodically renewed. It happened to me on www.malwarebytes.com
Malwarebytes kept my CC number and charged it the following year without my 
permission. Neither the bank nor Visa wanted to make them refund.
I asked the bank twice, and both times they promised to get a refund, but they 
never have. 

I've thought about getting a late model Mercedes to replace my two 123's, but 
since a Mercedes dealers mechanics mistake destroyed the engine in my daughters 
'08 GL320cdi, told her she needed a new engine, and charged her $2000 for 
repairing the brakes; (both the engine and the brakes were working quite well 
after a 100 mile highway trip to the dealer when she went in for a scheduled 
oil change.); I've decided to keep the 123s or switch to another make. 
Daughter hired a lawyer who made the dealer pay for a new engine from a German 
owned Indy who had it shipped from Germany, and refund the $2000 which she had 
not approved, but she was still out $1500 paid to the lawyer plus the time, 
trouble, and travel.

Gerry
~~
Larry T wrote:
> Hi All, 
> I just got a shock - my credit card was charged $75 for a "Membership" in the 
> Parts Program at MB. Don't know about the others but I joined to gain access 
> to their Parts Diagrams. I just learned the program is being managed by a 
> different company which will no longer offer the "Free" subscriptions. The 
> problem is, they have our credit cards on file and I found out they are not 
> shy about charging the cards without much (any?) 
> pre-authorization. At least they didn't in my case. I found my CC had been 
> charged $75 to renew the "Free" membership only when I saw it on my bank 
> statement. As those who created memberships know, they required a CC to 
> confirm something or other. 
> 
> Anyway, if you have memberships, be sure you cancel or whatever before they 
> charge your card unless the parts diagrams are that important to you to pay 
> $75/year for membership. 
> 
> Now, I am trying to get the $75 refunded. 
> 
> I hope everyine is having a great weekend? 
> 
> LarryT 
> 91 300D 
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> Inexpensive Oil Test Kits! 
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2016-07-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

Just file a dispute with your credit card number

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> On Jul 31, 2016, at 3:30 PM, Larry T via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi All, 
> I just got a shock - my credit card was charged $75 for a "Membership" in the 
> Parts Program at MB. Don't know about the others but I joined to gain access 
> to their Parts Diagrams. I just learned the program is being managed by a 
> different company which will no longer off the "Free" subscriptions. The 
> problem is, they have our credit cards on file and I found out they are not 
> shy about charging the cards without much (any?) 
> pre-authorization. At least they didn't in my case. I found my CC had been 
> charged $75 to renew the "Free" membership only when I saw it on my bank 
> statement. As those who created memberships know, they required a CC to 
> confirm something or other. 
> 
> Anyway, if you have memberships, be sure you cancel or whatever before they 
> charge your card unless the parts diagrams are that important to you to pay 
> $75/year for membership. 
> 
> Now, I am trying to get the $75 refunded. 
> 
> I hope everyine is having a great weekend? 
> 
> LarryT 
> 91 300D 
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> Inexpensive Oil Test Kits! 
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Re: [MBZ] Walt's W140 in Seattle For Sale

2016-07-31 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

DG inquires:

>‎As in AlexG from CH?

Alex G from Switzerland. 

You need to be on FB

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Re: [MBZ] Walt's W140 in Seattle For Sale

2016-07-31 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

Curley wrote:
> Alex G. is in Calif, I hear...

As in AlexG from CH?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] amplifire 1200 wats

2016-07-31 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

--FT wrote:
> What could go wrong?
>
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5707994405.html

The thing that could go wrong is that I would always be wanting to
push clutch and shift.
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[MBZ] Mercedes Benz Classic Cars

2016-07-31 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes


https://www.facebook.com/Mercedes-Benz-Classic-Cars-297617297297/


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[MBZ] amplifire 1200 wats

2016-07-31 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes


What could go wrong?

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5707994405.html

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[MBZ] MB Parts Accounts at epc.startekinfo.com -- $75 Membership Fee will be charged/

2016-07-31 Thread Larry T via Mercedes

Hi All, 
I just got a shock - my credit card was charged $75 for a "Membership" in the 
Parts Program at MB. Don't know about the others but I joined to gain access to 
their Parts Diagrams. I just learned the program is being managed by a 
different company which will no longer off the "Free" subscriptions. The 
problem is, they have our credit cards on file and I found out they are not shy 
about charging the cards without much (any?) 
pre-authorization. At least they didn't in my case. I found my CC had been 
charged $75 to renew the "Free" membership only when I saw it on my bank 
statement. As those who created memberships know, they required a CC to confirm 
something or other. 

Anyway, if you have memberships, be sure you cancel or whatever before they 
charge your card unless the parts diagrams are that important to you to pay 
$75/year for membership. 

Now, I am trying to get the $75 refunded. 

I hope everyine is having a great weekend? 

LarryT 
91 300D 
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Inexpensive Oil Test Kits! 
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Re: [MBZ] Walt's W140 in Seattle For Sale

2016-07-31 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

Alex G. is in Calif, I hear, looking at overpriced electric gocarts 
(tesla).   He should buy Walt's car.



Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
July 30, 2016 at 6:39 PM
Sounds like a great car to start a road trip in Seattle with!

Good luck!

Jaime


On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 3:33 PM, W140 via Mercedes 


W140 via Mercedes 
July 30, 2016 at 2:33 PM
If you're looking for a nice W140 I am selling mine. Asking $9500 
OBOI have a 1992 W-140 300SD badged as a S350 with 143,000 miles.
The car is located in Everett, Washington 25 miles North of 
Seattle.Just about EVERYTHING new and ALL factory replaced by a 
Mercedes dealer.
I am a 2nd owner and have had the car since 1998.At 75,000 miles, a 
NEW factory engine, new evaporator, new turbo, new front springs, 
newshocks, new control arm bushings, new exhaust, new injection pump, 
new engine boost sensor/manifold pressure sensor new crankshaft 
positionsensor new wiring harness, new water pump, new blower motor, 
new enginemounts (all 3), new Fan and Fan Blade Drive (main coolant 
fan), new throttle linkages,new belt tensioner spring. new rubber 
lines, Vacuum fittings and Misc.lines, seals, gaskets, etc you name it 
the factory replaced it. If itsqueaked, clicked or hummed. I got it 
replaced, ALL RECORDS since the day it
rolled off the boat here in Seattle.On the road I am getting 30 MPG (I 
have got 31 but I was the only me and my toothbrush),

around town getting 22 MPG. It has 800 mile legs with a 28 gal tank.
Bose AM/FM with 6 CD capacity. Also have the original Books, First Aid 
packet and Tool Kit.Thermo-pane windows (double thick just like your 
house)


At 142,000 miles I replaced all Brakes, Generator, Radiator, A/C 
compressor, wiring Harness.
Windshield wipers.Again I have EVERY receipt since it rolled off the 
boat. Also Have ALL Original books,
Complete Maintenance CD, Original MB 140 VCR sales Tape, 2 New Extra 
Filters
(Oil and Air) and an extra Hub for your snow tires. This car runs like 
a Swiss Watch.


OKNow the Bad News. Bumper paint has a few chips, 2 small Car door 
dings in left rear door,
Just recently the antenna stopped working, this was after they 
replaced the Radiator (coincidence?)
The motor still runs but it doesn't go up. I can still get local 
stations though.
Right front fender has a small scrape, I cut it a little close when 
parking.


I can deliver anywhere for costs and trip back.


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Re: [MBZ] Dash cam

2016-07-31 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

I have mine mounted up pretty much behind the rear view mirror so it is
not particularly visible either from inside or outside. Mine is maybe
2"x4" if that big, it is pretty small.

--FT

On 7/31/16 12:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Doesn't it block your view of the road?

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 4:06 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I bought a Pilot dashcam from Walmart.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/1080P-HD-Dash-Cam-Camera-DashCam-with-4GB-Micro-SD-Card/52243002

I've used it about 6 months, it shows traffic light colors, and records
perfectly.
Put the microSD card in a Win7 computer and its video contents started
running on the monitor without installing a special program. There are 3
choices of magnification.
I didn't program it; just stuck it on the windshield and plugged it in; so
I don't know how well its special programs work if any.
I usually buy cheap Chinese items from Walmart since they accept returns
with no questions asked, and shipping is free FOB the store.
Gerry
~~~

That one I got for $40some works pretty well, a 32GB SD card was another
$20 if I recall. In general all this cheepchineechit is throwaway stuff
anyway, it's like insurance, if you ever need it is there, if it fails
after a few months you've paid a few $$ a month for the dashcam
insurance, then get another one.

--R

On 7/30/16 1:50 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 12:02:55 -0400 Mitch Haley via Mercedes
wrote:

Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Has anybody tried one of these?
http://www.pulsetv.com/prodinfo.asp?number=7068

Hmm, looks like it's not a hot deal for $25:

https://www.amazon.com/Lecmal-Recorder-Rotatable-Dashboard-Camcorder/dp/B01GJM8CL6

It's not even a hot deal at $17.78:

Top Customer Reviews
2.0 out of 5 starsIt works, but worth $17.
By Mr. R. M. Wigzell on July 23, 2016
Verified Purchase
Length: 7:37 Mins
You will get $17 worth of dashcam if you purchase this item. The first
thing that I noticed was that it resembles a cheap toy. It is of molded
plastic construction and not precision made. The nuts for the mounting
attachment and swivel attachment are molded plastic and I was afraid to
strip their threads, and cross-threading them is very possible. The
swivel screen is equally non-precision and moves laterally about its
hinge pin. Since I was afraid to tighten the swivel nut more than
moderately finger tight, the entire assembly moved when I closed the
swivel screen so I had to guess the correct position, which was too low
to capture traffic lights as a result. It has approximately 60° field

view, forward only, and the image quality is not great. It records in

AVI

format and a 16 minute drive video was 1.2 GB, so it will probably loop
after several hours which is OK. However, in the videos I took, the
license plate numbers of other vehicles could not be distinguished (see
video). Only the date and time accompany the videos, there is no GPS
function therefore no speed or location information. It records sound

but

the sound volume becomes inaudible after about a minute of the video
playback, indicating an anomaly with the microphone pickup level
management. I have not tried it at night yet, nor have tried it long
enough to asses the battery life. I am really scratching my head about
all the unbiased 4 and 5 star reviews...but on a positive note,
it records video, and takes pictures. Oh well, I shall probably donate

to a needy person (not worth the hassle of RMA) and buy a more upmarket
product.

Craig

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