Re: [MBZ] Darwin award

[G Mann via Mercedes]

¿¿ Is Kyaus the ebonic spelling of "cayuse" perhaps?


Inquiring minds want to know.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 6:33 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > > Mitch wrote:
> > >
> > > And check out the name, Kyaus.
>
> > Floyd wrote:
> >
> > "Kyaus" sounds vaguely German, like "Klaus."  Could Kyaus be
> > Amish driving a car for the first time?
>
> Spelled "cayuse" it is a term from Grant's part of the country for
> a horse, especially an cow pony or indian pony.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: What's wrong with Mrs Clinton?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> G wrote:
> 
> Question: If she should die before 8 Nov, will her following
> still vote for her?

There is precedent - of sorts.

A dead fellow won the senate election.  Two weeks before election
he died - but his name was still on the ballot - and he won!

His widow was appointed to serve in his place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Missouri,_2000

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Re: [MBZ] Darwin award

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Mitch wrote:
> > 
> > And check out the name, Kyaus.

> Floyd wrote:
> 
> "Kyaus" sounds vaguely German, like "Klaus."  Could Kyaus be
> Amish driving a car for the first time?

Spelled "cayuse" it is a term from Grant's part of the country for
a horse, especially an cow pony or indian pony.



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Re: [MBZ] 1982 300SD AC Question

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> went to 120 high side and 7 low side.  So my R12 is quite low


Yes.  Ignore the pressures for the moment, and look at the _temperature_
scale on the gauges.  Your high-side temperature would be what?  Just how
much heat do you think you're able to take out of the 'hot' side at that
temperature
differential (with the air)?  If you can't suck the heat out there, then
there's
no place for it to move heat out of the cabin into, and the whole thing
nearly
flatlines.

On the low side, the thing is damned near sucking a vacuum.  How much
flow do you think you'll be getting then?  You are dangerously near the
point
where lubricating oil is not flowing.  (Presumably your low-pressure cutoff
would kick in before that point, though.)

AC systems are deceptively simple, but there's a lot of basic physics going
on,
in a system that is designed and optimized for one operating point.  Miss
that
point, and it all goes to hell.

Fill it, and rejoice.

-- Jim
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[MBZ] By the Barrel

[clay via Mercedes]

I snagged a few brochures at the stealership.  One was for the independent 
service providers.  Mercedes had a chart of approved lubricants for the cars… 
or just types.  If you want M1 20-50 or other brands in that weight, you have 
to get the 55 gallon barrels.  The 15-50 comes in the quart sizes

clay 

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1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[OK Don via Mercedes]

None of the above - get a Mercedes. and pay the difference yourself if you
have to.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I MAY have a new job opportunity that includes a new car lease.  I am not
> sure about the details yet and therefore I am speculating about the terms.
> So, this may be a bit of day dreaming.
>
> Given what I am guessing is a monthly lease amount, I am wondering which
> vehicle would be best.  I don't think a Mercedes would meet the $ criteria.
> So, here are some possible options:
>
> Ford Taurus
> Chevy Impala
> Nissan Altima
> Dodge Charger
> Hyundai Sonata (although the Genesis would be nice, but probably too much
> $)
> Toyota Camry
>
> Any opinions on these?  I know that's a broad question.  I like bigger
> cars (I'm 6'3" and 250).  So, I think the Taurus and Impala would be the
> roomiest.  I have heard a lot of good reviews about the "zero gravity"
> seats in the Altima.  I might be driving as much as 600 miles a week.  This
> could make leasing a car very difficult because putting that many miles on
> it could be prohibitively expensive.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1982 300SD AC Question

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

You have a low charge

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 15, 2016, at 9:42 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I put gauges on it today.  Pressures were 72 hot side and 79 cold side
> before engine start.  I attribute the difference to my cheap, old gauges
> (pre Harbor Freight gauges from JC Whitney).  After engine start pressures
> went to 120 high side and 7 low side.  So my R12 is quite low but would that
> account for the apparent lack of flow?  After engine shutdown, pressure
> blead to 105/75 within about 30 sec but was still 90/78 after about 5
> minutes.
> 
> The big difference (120 high side 7 low side) and slow bleed-down make me
> think the compressor is doing its job but refrigerant is low and not getting
> past the dryer or expansion valve.  Maybe that's normal for such low R12
> levels.  I need to research that expansion valve to see if this (no flow) is
> normal for such conditions.
> 
> Thanks for insights.  Scott
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 12:37 PM
>> 
>> If you have gauges you can at least find out if it's very  low on charge
> or if
>> there's something mechanically wrong.
>> 
>> Or you can throw in 12oz of R12 and see what happens. It's common for old
>> cars to leak.
>> 
>> Mitch.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1982 300SD AC Question

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I put gauges on it today.  Pressures were 72 hot side and 79 cold side
before engine start.  I attribute the difference to my cheap, old gauges
(pre Harbor Freight gauges from JC Whitney).  After engine start pressures
went to 120 high side and 7 low side.  So my R12 is quite low but would that
account for the apparent lack of flow?  After engine shutdown, pressure
blead to 105/75 within about 30 sec but was still 90/78 after about 5
minutes.

The big difference (120 high side 7 low side) and slow bleed-down make me
think the compressor is doing its job but refrigerant is low and not getting
past the dryer or expansion valve.  Maybe that's normal for such low R12
levels.  I need to research that expansion valve to see if this (no flow) is
normal for such conditions.

Thanks for insights.  Scott

> -Original Message-
> From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 12:37 PM
> 
> If you have gauges you can at least find out if it's very  low on charge
or if
> there's something mechanically wrong.
> 
> Or you can throw in 12oz of R12 and see what happens. It's common for old
> cars to leak.
> 
> Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] Stealership slobbering goon

[clay via Mercedes]

You have no idea just how tempting that offer is

Local club had show and shine yesterday.  All the newer cars are ticking bombs 
just waiting for an airbag to puff up or a bunny to take out the plastic trim.  
That would also take out the sensors.   There is just no collectability to 
these, as they will not last long enough or have parts to keep them on the road.

clay


> On Aug 15, 2016, at 7:03 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So would you take $500 for the car?
> 
> Just kidding
> -- 
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> '95 E300
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[MBZ] Nice looking SD

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Mercedes 1984 300 SD (cash or trade)
http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/5693362587.html

via cPro for Craigslist
iOS: http://tinyurl.com/cPro-iDevice
Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android


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Re: [MBZ] Thanks - exhaust

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Midwest is a big place, where would you propose such a gathering?  Dan G. is in 
Chicago, I think Luther is nearby there as well.  I need to get back to 
Wisconsin, Rib Lake area, see my mom and visit my forty acres of forest, maybe 
I'll fly into Chicago?  No firm plans on my part now...
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 15, 2016 8:54:45 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Max sez:
>
>‎>No pictures? No video?
>
>Not this time. I was in the Rusty Red Ranger and Michael was in the
>Beater Benz. Not much picture worthy, I'm afraid. 
>
>Perhaps we can put together a Michigan Q, or a Midwest Q or something.
>I would breakout my rust free, low miles 300CD for that.
>
>Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Stealership slobbering goon

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

So would you take $500 for the car?

Just kidding
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Charleston SC
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'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage garden sprinkler

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I tried vice grips on the base, didn't want to crush it or mar the finish too 
bad. I'll soak it with some kroil and try some heat.
-Curt

  From: M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
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Cc: M. Mitchell Marmel 
 Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 9:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage garden sprinkler
   
Vise-grips on the vertical tube, unscrew from base.  The head will be held
on with, probably, a screw inside.  Once you have it apart, replace the
rubber washers, which are probably what's stuck.

-MMM-

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Try this: https://content-na.drive.amazonaws.com/cdproxy/templink/
> EFK6KUmFgWIHVZqcHpsJfLiK1Ue7T2F6xh7evl7jojsLAYspN/alt/thumb?viewBox=2498
> I've got 2 of the end caps off in the picture to check if there was schmoo
> in the tubes, there isn't...
> -Curt
>
>      From: M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: M. Mitchell Marmel 
>  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 9:33 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage garden sprinkler
>
> Pics?
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Anybody know anything about old centrifugal garden sprinklers?
> > Angie bought one at a yard sale last year, it spun once but now won't. I
> > tried to oil the sprinkler head but it doesn't seem to have helped much.
> > Water seems to come out of all the holes but it won't spin.
> > I can't figure how to get the shaft out of the base, looks like its been
> > attacked with pliers once before and I don't want to add to the damage.
> > -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage garden sprinkler

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Vise-grips on the vertical tube, unscrew from base.  The head will be held
on with, probably, a screw inside.  Once you have it apart, replace the
rubber washers, which are probably what's stuck.

-MMM-

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Try this: https://content-na.drive.amazonaws.com/cdproxy/templink/
> EFK6KUmFgWIHVZqcHpsJfLiK1Ue7T2F6xh7evl7jojsLAYspN/alt/thumb?viewBox=2498
> I've got 2 of the end caps off in the picture to check if there was schmoo
> in the tubes, there isn't...
> -Curt
>
>   From: M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: M. Mitchell Marmel 
>  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 9:33 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage garden sprinkler
>
> Pics?
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Anybody know anything about old centrifugal garden sprinklers?
> > Angie bought one at a yard sale last year, it spun once but now won't. I
> > tried to oil the sprinkler head but it doesn't seem to have helped much.
> > Water seems to come out of all the holes but it won't spin.
> > I can't figure how to get the shaft out of the base, looks like its been
> > attacked with pliers once before and I don't want to add to the damage.
> > -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage garden sprinkler

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Try this: 
https://content-na.drive.amazonaws.com/cdproxy/templink/EFK6KUmFgWIHVZqcHpsJfLiK1Ue7T2F6xh7evl7jojsLAYspN/alt/thumb?viewBox=2498
I've got 2 of the end caps off in the picture to check if there was schmoo in 
the tubes, there isn't...
-Curt

  From: M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
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Cc: M. Mitchell Marmel 
 Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 9:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage garden sprinkler
   
Pics?

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anybody know anything about old centrifugal garden sprinklers?
> Angie bought one at a yard sale last year, it spun once but now won't. I
> tried to oil the sprinkler head but it doesn't seem to have helped much.
> Water seems to come out of all the holes but it won't spin.
> I can't figure how to get the shaft out of the base, looks like its been
> attacked with pliers once before and I don't want to add to the damage.
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Vintage garden sprinkler

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Pics?

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anybody know anything about old centrifugal garden sprinklers?
> Angie bought one at a yard sale last year, it spun once but now won't. I
> tried to oil the sprinkler head but it doesn't seem to have helped much.
> Water seems to come out of all the holes but it won't spin.
> I can't figure how to get the shaft out of the base, looks like its been
> attacked with pliers once before and I don't want to add to the damage.
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] pimped low-rider S430 ONLY serious people with funds text the number above.

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I saw it, was thinking to buy one like that (or the serious funds one I 
posted) for $500, then a wrecked one for $300, then another one for a 
few hundred, and there would be enough bits to keep one running for a 
year or two then sell it to some unsuspecting Yo who was looking for a 
Fly Ride, yo.


--FT


On 8/15/16 9:25 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Linky no worky?
It was an auction for a slightly beat up but uncrashed 2001 S430 with flat
suspension and clean title, current bid $500.

Let's see if the whole list links OK:
http://www.carfrom.us/car/search/action/search/?carmake=MERCEDES-BENZ_S430


On August 15, 2016 at 7:07 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
wrote:


http://www.carfrom.us/CT_2001_MERCEDES_BENZ_S430_119303445

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[MBZ] OT: Vintage garden sprinkler

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Anybody know anything about old centrifugal garden sprinklers?
Angie bought one at a yard sale last year, it spun once but now won't. I tried 
to oil the sprinkler head but it doesn't seem to have helped much. Water seems 
to come out of all the holes but it won't spin.
I can't figure how to get the shaft out of the base, looks like its been 
attacked with pliers once before and I don't want to add to the damage.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] pimped low-rider S430 ONLY serious people with funds text the number above.

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Linky no worky?
It was an auction for a slightly beat up but uncrashed 2001 S430 with flat
suspension and clean title, current bid $500. 

Let's see if the whole list links OK:
http://www.carfrom.us/car/search/action/search/?carmake=MERCEDES-BENZ_S430

> On August 15, 2016 at 7:07 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> wrote:
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> 
> http://www.carfrom.us/CT_2001_MERCEDES_BENZ_S430_119303445
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Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[clay via Mercedes]

While stuck at the stealership this morning I had opportunity to read all 
manner of auto mag.  One had a lengthy discourse on leased cars and which 
marque was most likely to not be purchased.  Turns out that over 53% of Benz 
are leased out and not purchased.  From the condition of the cars on the lot 
that were CPO, the lease returns that can become CPO are few and far between.  
Not quality enough for CPO is under a dozen.   It looked as if the bulk of 
trades or returns went right to auction

clay 


> On Aug 15, 2016, at 8:18 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Buy a CPO Mercedes and apply the lease payments to the monthly nut?  Will 
> they do that?  On a lease you can't go above 10k-12k mi/yr or it will start 
> costing big money/mile.  Get a CPO and 6yr/100k maintenance rolled in, then 
> lather/rinse/repeat in 3 or 4 years?  Watch for 0.9% financing rates from 
> MBUSA.  Or go to Carmax and work something similar?
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 8/15/16 11:07 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
>> I MAY have a new job opportunity that includes a new car lease.  I am not 
>> sure about the details yet and therefore I am speculating about the terms.  
>> So, this may be a bit of day dreaming.
>> 
>> Given what I am guessing is a monthly lease amount, I am wondering which 
>> vehicle would be best.  I don't think a Mercedes would meet the $ criteria. 
>> So, here are some possible options:
>> 
>> Ford Taurus
>> Chevy Impala
>> Nissan Altima
>> Dodge Charger
>> Hyundai Sonata (although the Genesis would be nice, but probably too much $)
>> Toyota Camry
>> 
>> Any opinions on these?  I know that's a broad question.  I like bigger cars 
>> (I'm 6'3" and 250).  So, I think the Taurus and Impala would be the 
>> roomiest.  I have heard a lot of good reviews about the "zero gravity" seats 
>> in the Altima.  I might be driving as much as 600 miles a week.  This could 
>> make leasing a car very difficult because putting that many miles on it 
>> could be prohibitively expensive.
>> 
>> Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] One of Our Beloved Cars Saves Another

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yum, chum

--FT


On 8/15/16 9:04 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

Love MOA.

Hate the idiots that tootle around town in short trousers, t-shirt and flip 
flop or no sock sneakers.   They are expressing their independence, but also 
their total lack of understanding of physics and the effect of tramac upon the 
flesh of morons.

While at university, oh, so many years ago, there were a number of deaths and 
injuries to the under protected.  The worst one at that time involved a draw 
bridge and a drunk fraternity fool.  Metal grate to allow the rains to flow 
through also serves very well to grind a body into chum for the anadromous fish 
to feast upon.  Warm, dry summer evening, a few too many beers, slick metal and 
slow reaction time.  There was next to nothing for his parents to bother with.



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Re: [MBZ] Pirelli tires might be crap

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It rained today and they did not seem
To have a problem 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 15, 2016, at 8:10 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> OR
> 
> it could be that the tires are just fine, but the roads are coated in snot 
> and baked on oil over the past few days of not having rain.  Get a little wet 
> and the snot gets slicker than … snot.  Not enough wet to actually wash the 
> oil off the roads, just enough to make it an ice rink
> 
> clay
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So I have this set of Pirelli P7s on my 98 e300 that have maybe 15-20k miles 
>> on them now. These are 70k mile tires. Still have plenty of tread. Friday 
>> driving back home we had a little light rain and the roads were wet. I had 
>> an occasion going around a curve at about 30 and the rear ended started to 
>> try and slide. Also was coming to a stop and abs started kicking in. These 
>> always had good traction even in a downpour. So it seems after 20k their 
>> traction has gone to hell. I went to far as to pull over and make sure I did 
>> not have a low tire in the back.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Why the U.S. "lost" the Vietnam War?

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

RB wrote:
> They came up with the idea of a database that would link small bookstores
> all over the place and then created the software and sold the idea to a
> whole lot of little bookstores.

Richarde told us about addall.com so I have been using that since.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Pirelli tires might be crap

[clay via Mercedes]

OR

it could be that the tires are just fine, but the roads are coated in snot and 
baked on oil over the past few days of not having rain.  Get a little wet and 
the snot gets slicker than … snot.  Not enough wet to actually wash the oil off 
the roads, just enough to make it an ice rink

clay

> On Aug 14, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So I have this set of Pirelli P7s on my 98 e300 that have maybe 15-20k miles 
> on them now. These are 70k mile tires. Still have plenty of tread. Friday 
> driving back home we had a little light rain and the roads were wet. I had an 
> occasion going around a curve at about 30 and the rear ended started to try 
> and slide. Also was coming to a stop and abs started kicking in. These always 
> had good traction even in a downpour. So it seems after 20k their traction 
> has gone to hell. I went to far as to pull over and make sure I did not have 
> a low tire in the back.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

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Curt wrote:
> Thats great but when you drive the Titan there is nothing French about it, 
> its an American full sized pickup. IIRC designed for the USA market and made 
> in the USA.

Yes.  It was just that the Alliance was something about which I had
vague recollection.
As to USA market - is there any other market?  I have zero capacity to
appreciate the new SUV monsters on the road - outright disgusting
poor, in all makes.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] One of Our Beloved Cars Saves Another

[clay via Mercedes]

Love MOA.  

Hate the idiots that tootle around town in short trousers, t-shirt and flip 
flop or no sock sneakers.   They are expressing their independence, but also 
their total lack of understanding of physics and the effect of tramac upon the 
flesh of morons.

While at university, oh, so many years ago, there were a number of deaths and 
injuries to the under protected.  The worst one at that time involved a draw 
bridge and a drunk fraternity fool.  Metal grate to allow the rains to flow 
through also serves very well to grind a body into chum for the anadromous fish 
to feast upon.  Warm, dry summer evening, a few too many beers, slick metal and 
slow reaction time.  There was next to nothing for his parents to bother with.



clay 

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POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








> On Aug 13, 2016, at 8:56 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was reading an article in the BMWMOA News by a guy who hit a deer on his 
> BMW.  He said "I stood up and saw the BMW had left parts all along the road, 
> the dead deer, and then it occurred to me:  I was standing!"   At the ER, the 
> Doctor heard the details and shook his head.  "He could not believe I only 
> had a broken arm.  No bones showing, no road rash.  He asked me what I was 
> wearing and I told him full body suit, with armor, full  helmet, riding boots 
> and gloves."
> 
> In that case, it probably made little difference about the brand or type of 
> motorcycle, but the "All the gear, all the time" made a HUGE difference.   
> With the big corn fed whittails around here, there are not many survivors of 
> motorcycle/deer accidents.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Thanks - exhaust

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Max sez:

‎>No pictures? No video?

Not this time. I was in the Rusty Red Ranger and Michael was in the Beater 
Benz. Not much picture worthy, I'm afraid. 

Perhaps we can put together a Michigan Q, or a Midwest Q or something. I would 
breakout my rust free, low miles 300CD for that.

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] pimped low-rider S430 ONLY serious people with funds text the number above.

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

http://www.carfrom.us/CT_2001_MERCEDES_BENZ_S430_119303445

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Re: [MBZ] Neighbors..

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I don't think so, his dad has a Chevy 1500 he tows his 5th wheel with. When the 
new trailer arrived I noticed a new towball in the receiver.

Curt

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> On August 15, 2016 at 5:14 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> He drives a clapped out ML (MB content). It sounds like he thinks he can tow
> the trailer with it. I don't know much about trailer sizing but its 24'+,
> double axle anyway. His ML has a 1" receiver...

He can't tow a 24' with a 1500lb hitch, at least not legally, but if he makes it
down the street and out of sight you win. He probably managed to tow it there
with the ML already. 

Mitch.
  
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Re: [MBZ] Why the U.S. "lost" the Vietnam War?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

The feud between Islam and Catholics only goes back 1,436 years.. what
could go wrong?

FWI, Islam believes mohammed was the "last prophet" and that Jesus was
"only a prophet"... baseline conflict.

Now we return to Breaking News..  The Radical Amish have completed yet
another year of no violence.. Film at 11:00 ..



On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/members-queens-
> mosque-demand-justice-shooting-imam-article-1.2750872?cid=bitly
>
> Wrap your head tightly while you read this.
>
> --FT
>
> On 8/15/16 4:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Where did you read this?
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>>
>> And it turns out the muslim imam and his associate who were
>> executed in Queens NY were apparently done in by a (gasp!)
>> hispanic as a result of an ongoing feud between the two
>> ethnicities who seem to be the co-dominant groups in the 'hood.
>> This fact will likely be overlooked in the reporting of the
>> collection of the alleged perp, unless he is a "white hispanic."
>> It is still clearly Trump's fault though.
>>
>> COEXIST!
>>
>> --FT
>>
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Re: [MBZ] pimped low-rider S430 ONLY serious people with funds text the number above.

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Talk to Curly about the auction house, early W220s with flat suspensions go for
scrap metal to maybe $1500 I think. 

> On August 15, 2016 at 2:30 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> You think I can get that for $500!!!

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Re: [MBZ] Why the U.S. "lost" the Vietnam War?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 15, 2016 at 4:00 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> It is still clearly Trump's fault though.


Yep, the Daily Spews came right out and said it in the headline:
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/drive-by-shooter-queens-gravely-injures-men-article-1.2749901

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Re: [MBZ] Neighbors..

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 15, 2016 at 5:14 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> He drives a clapped out ML (MB content). It sounds like he thinks he can tow
> the trailer with it. I don't know much about trailer sizing but its 24'+,
> double axle anyway. His ML has a 1" receiver...

He can't tow a 24' with a 1500lb hitch, at least not legally, but if he makes it
down the street and out of sight you win. He probably managed to tow it there
with the ML already. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 15, 2016 at 5:29 PM Donald Snook via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> There are high mileage leases, too.  One of my former partners got a 100,000
> mile lease (3 years).  He basically paid for the miles ahead of time rather
> than getting penalized later.  He said he did the math and it was still
> cheaper.   High mileage leases are more expensive, but if you know you are
> going to put a lot of miles on it, they might make sense. 

The cool thing about the 100k/36mo lease is the residual value is diddly-squat
if you intend to buy it. 
I almost assumed the last five months on a 60k/39mo lease on a totally loaded
2012 Cruze LTZ. 
Not because I wanted to pay $230 a month to drive a Cruze, but because if I were
to buy a GM econobox, a stick shift 1.4L turbo Cruze LTZ-RS with leather and
everything would be the way to go, provided I could buy a 30kmi car for the
auction value of a 60kmi car. 
Despite paying for 60k, he'd only put 32k on it, and the end of lease buyout was
only $10,600.

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Re: [MBZ] Neighbors..

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Did you make sure the blinker fluid was full up?


Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
August 15, 2016 at 4:14 PM
Some news: I was out cleaning the tail lights on the Golf (had a 
running light out two weeks ago, now a brake light is out. I hit 'em 
all with Deoxit.)


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Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Ach!   Dat-soon is a froggy!


Mountain Man via Mercedes 
August 15, 2016 at 3:59 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault%E2%80%93Nissan_Alliance
mao



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[MBZ] Stealership slobbering goon

[clay via Mercedes]

Some may recall that I took the S430 to the stealer back in January to get them 
to calibrate the airmatic, but they decided that the A arm my indy replaced was 
the wrong part and made accusations.  Turned out the tech at Stealer was not 
qualified to work on cars, because he did not even bother to do his homework 
that the part had been superseded and was in fact the factory part.  To make 
the error message about the airmatic failure, he screwed with the calibration 
to make that stop.

The issue with ride height was due to the sensor not being fitted into the hole 
made for it in the new A arm.  The techs figured that out on the second visit, 
after my indy proved that the part used was OEM, thought not OE.  My vision is 
cockeyed, so I did not see that the car was still lopsided.   Last week a buddy 
asked me if I had gotten if fixed, because it was still down on the one side.  
I said it had been dealt with, and he said it was not.  


So, off to the stealer I went this morning.  I offended one service goon by 
telling him the tech who worked on the car must have been sucked over from 
their neighbor (same owner) Honda shop and was of decreased mental state.  My 
micro aggression made him slink off pouting and he gave it to the same desk boy 
who dealt with it six months ago.  I got in at 0830 and did not see my car ever 
hit the racks.  Must have been there while I was emptying the bladder of bad 
coffee, as I found it stashed on the far side of the lot after it was washed 
around 1000 hrs.

My service boy came by with the bill ( $0.00) as he was off to take his break, 
and told me the other feller would be over with my key and the details of the 
work done.  The passive aggressive goon decided he was not going to have any 
interaction with me, even turning away when I walked past his counter or the 
customer seating area.  I finally got my keys back at 1230, when my guy got 
back from his lunch.

I am never going to Mercedes Benz of Seattle again.


clay 

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Re: [MBZ] Why the U.S. "lost" the Vietnam War?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/members-queens-mosque-demand-justice-shooting-imam-article-1.2750872?cid=bitly

Wrap your head tightly while you read this.

--FT

On 8/15/16 4:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Where did you read this?

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> wrote:


And it turns out the muslim imam and his associate who were
executed in Queens NY were apparently done in by a (gasp!)
hispanic as a result of an ongoing feud between the two
ethnicities who seem to be the co-dominant groups in the 'hood.
This fact will likely be overlooked in the reporting of the
collection of the alleged perp, unless he is a "white hispanic."
It is still clearly Trump's fault though.

COEXIST!

--FT



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Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

There are high mileage leases, too.  One of my former partners got a 100,000 
mile lease (3 years).  He basically paid for the miles ahead of time rather 
than getting penalized later.  He said he did the math and it was still 
cheaper.   High mileage leases are more expensive, but if you know you are 
going to put a lot of miles on it, they might make sense. 

My partner felt like it worked for him.  Once the lease was up, he bought the 
car for his wife to drive for a couple years until his daughter got it to take 
to college.  If you are like many of us and want to avoid car payments, it 
doesn't make sense. But, in his case he drove so much for work that his mileage 
checks paid for the lease.  Because it was a deductible business expense and 
the mileage was paid back to the firm, he never had to pay for the vehicle 
other than using the mileage checks (which were not considered income, so he 
saved on taxes).   

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Curt Raymond [mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 3:33 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

Sure, that too.
I had a boss once when I was in college who leased a new Honda, then got a job 
that required an absurdly long, like 150 mile round trip, commute. She'd gotten 
a huge pay raise so the job made sense but like you kid she had to park the car 
and buy another since the mileage price on the lease was absurd. That was when 
I decided leasing was dumb.
-Curt

  From: Scott Ritchey 
 To: 'Curt Raymond' ; 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
 
 Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 4:28 PM
 Subject: RE: [MBZ] OT leasing a car
   
It's a tax thing.  Lease costs are deductible business expenses.  

For a personal vehicle, there is only a narrow range of circumstances where 
leasing makes sense (like a temporary need).  Two of my kids leased (vs 
bought), against my strongest advice, and it hasn't worked well.  One used up 
the allotted miles and had to park the car for the last several months of the 
lease.  The other will need to lease another very soon (with big up-front 
costs) or buy out the existing lease for too much money.  I think this was a 
case of wanting more car than they could afford and getting trapped as a result.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:15 AM
> 
> I know companies like to lease stuff since it keeps it off the ownership 
> books ...


  
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Re: [MBZ] Why the U.S. "lost" the Vietnam War?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 15/08/2016 6:16 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

Wilton once wrote that after massive U.S. bombing of Hanoi, during which he 
took part, he couldn't understand why the U.S. did not invade North Vietnam or 
make peace on U.S. terms since Hanoi would have agreed to a cease fire.
Would the following likely be the reason?

Book is available at:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=schaller=t=altered+states
~~~
Altered States by Michael Schaller.



Just a side note that I may have mentioned before.
I have met one of the fellows who created abebooks.com.
Rick Pura is the son of one of the fellows who used to be the landlord 
for our office a number of years ago. His father passed away quite a 
while back at age 93. I used to have coffee or lunch with the father on 
a regular basis.


If I recall the story correctly, Rick and a partner were computer guys 
who worked for the BC government - land titles or something like that.
Their wives, or maybe just one of the wives, cannot recall for certain, 
had a little used bookstore and was looking to do better.
They came up with the idea of a database that would link small 
bookstores all over the place and then created the software and sold the 
idea to a whole lot of little bookstores.
They grew from a do it yourself setup to a significant enterprise with a 
building full of employees and then sold out to some big German company.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Neighbors..

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Some news: I was out cleaning the tail lights on the Golf (had a running light 
out two weeks ago, now a brake light is out. I hit 'em all with Deoxit.) and I 
overheard the OTHER son saying it was his trailer, he'd paid $150 for it and 
wants to put it on a campground once he does some work on it.Got a GREAT deal, 
the roof leaks, the floor is rotted out and the back wall isn't held on by 
anything but its a great trailer.
Fortunately (I think anyway) this is the only one of the children of the home 
owners that I think is worth anything. At one point he had a renovation 
business, might still have it, I don't see him that much. He put a big addition 
on his parents house and it hasn't fallen down yet.
He drives a clapped out ML (MB content). It sounds like he thinks he can tow 
the trailer with it. I don't know much about trailer sizing but its 24'+, 
double axle anyway. His ML has a 1" receiver...
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Thats great but when you drive the Titan there is nothing French about it, its 
an American full sized pickup. IIRC designed for the USA market and made in the 
USA.

-Curt

  From: Mountain Man 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 4:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car
   
Curt wrote:
> There is nothing French about the Titan...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault%E2%80%93Nissan_Alliance
mao


   
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Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Curt wrote:
> There is nothing French about the Titan...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault%E2%80%93Nissan_Alliance
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Neighbors..

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

My father had a similar problem with some neighbors.  He lives on the 
Mississippi Gulf Coast and his neighborhood was severely flooded by Katrina.  A 
neighbor across the street had a FEMA trailer and they were living in it while 
they worked on their house.  That wasn't outrageous until it had been two years 
post-Katrina and they still had it parked there.  All the neighbors had spoken 
with the family and they refused to do anything.  They got the HOA involved and 
that didn't accomplish anything.  Finally, He made a complaint with the City 
and within a couple weeks, it was gone.  

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Richard Hattaway [mailto:rhatta...@rocketmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 3:05 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Neighbors..

Yep, let the town settle it... should not be too hard unless you live in the 
country so far out nobody cares...

If there are actually ~dozen people living there, then they are almost 
certainly in violation of some health department code.  If they are using a 
septic system, you can guarantee they are in violation... 

The county probably has an eyesore regulation but they never ever ever ever 
enforce it.  But if the trailers are not registered, then you have a good piece 
of leverage with the tax people.  

As my whiner neighbor used to say.. get on the phone and make the elected and 
appointed earn their money :)\ Dick

 

>I doubt it. I suggest you are asking for retribution.
>No need for a lawyer.
>Contact the town by-law folks.
>The trailer folks have no need to know who complained but I would be 
>surprised if the trailers did not go away.

>RB


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Why would anybody do that rather than buy the car outright with a 1% loan? Just 
to get more car than they can really afford over a really long payment period?
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 4:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car
   
A lease works  for high mileage so long as you know you will have to buy the 
car at the end of the lease.  If you buy it, you don't (generaly) get dinged 
for the miles.  You DO have to pay more for a high mileage car than what you 
would pay for the same thing in an open market.

A three year lease followed by a 4 or 5 yr loan make for lower payments over 
the long haul, but you pay way over list for the vehicle.  So long as interest 
rages are under 3% or so, it can be a viable option.


   Curt Raymond via Mercedes  August 15, 2016 at 3:32 PM  Sure, that too.
I had a boss once when I was in college who leased a new Honda, then got a job 
that required an absurdly long, like 150 mile round trip, commute. She'd gotten 
a huge pay raise so the job made sense but like you kid she had to park the car 
and buy another since the mileage price on the lease was absurd. That was when 
I decided leasing was dumb.
-Curt

  From: Scott Ritchey 
 To: 'Curt Raymond' ; 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
 
 Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 4:28 PM
 Subject: RE: [MBZ] OT leasing a car
   
It's a tax thing.  Lease costs are deductible business expenses.  

For a personal vehicle, there is only a narrow range of circumstances where 
leasing makes sense (like a temporary need).  Two of my kids leased (vs 
bought), against my strongest advice, and it hasn't worked well.  One used up 
the allotted miles and had to park the car for the last several months of the 
lease.  The other will need to lease another very soon (with big up-front 
costs) or buy out the existing lease for too much money.  I think this was a 
case of wanting more car than they could afford and getting trapped as a result.


-Original Message-
From:  Curt Raymond via Mercedes

 Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:15 AM

I know companies like to lease stuff since it keeps it off the ownership books 
...

  
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   Scott Ritchey via Mercedes  August 15, 2016 at 3:28 PM  It's a tax thing.  
Lease costs are deductible business expenses.  

For a personal vehicle, there is only a narrow range of circumstances where 
leasing makes sense (like a temporary need).  Two of my kids leased (vs 
bought), against my strongest advice, and it hasn't worked well.  One used up 
the allotted miles and had to park the car for the last several months of the 
lease.  The other will need to lease another very soon (with big up-front 
costs) or buy out the existing lease for too much money.  I think this was a 
case of wanting more car than they could afford and getting trapped as a result.


-Original Message-
From:  Curt Raymond via Mercedes

 Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:15 AM

I know companies like to lease stuff since it keeps it off the ownership books 
...

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   Curt Raymond via Mercedes  August 15, 2016 at 10:14 AM  I know companies 
like to lease stuff since it keeps it off the ownership books but with that 
kind of mileage it'd probably make more sense to own or even to rent which is 
kind of a strange thought.
I'd add the VW Passat to the list, they're big and roomy, the gas engines are 
pretty zippy, sadly I think you still can't get a TDI.
The new Impala is supposed to be something special, I'm hoping they hit the 
rental fleet pretty soon, I'd like to try one. The Sonatas are very nice, much 
nicer than the equivalent Toyota for for less money.
Camry is super boring and you'll lose it in parking lots full of identical 
cars. I've been there, had to click the key fob to figure out which car was 
mine...
The Charger can be a decent car if its not got a horrible rental car 
transmission. I'm stunned that Chrysler still makes garbage cars for rentals. 
They make people think the cars are way worse than they are. They make a very 
good engine these days but still make rotten sloppy slushboxes. On the other 
hand the upper end transmissions like the 9spd in my parent's Cherokee are 
smooth as silk...
-Curt

 From: Donald Snook via Mercedes 
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Cc: Donald Snook 

Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

A lease works  for high mileage so long as you know you will have to buy 
the car at the end of the lease.  If you buy it, you don't (generaly) 
get dinged for the miles.  You DO have to pay more for a high mileage 
car than what you would pay for the same thing in an open market.


A three year lease followed by a 4 or 5 yr loan make for lower payments 
over the long haul, but you pay way over list for the vehicle.  So long 
as interest rages are under 3% or so, it can be a viable option.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
August 15, 2016 at 3:32 PM
Sure, that too.
I had a boss once when I was in college who leased a new Honda, then got a job 
that required an absurdly long, like 150 mile round trip, commute. She'd gotten 
a huge pay raise so the job made sense but like you kid she had to park the car 
and buy another since the mileage price on the lease was absurd. That was when 
I decided leasing was dumb.
-Curt

   From: Scott Ritchey
  To: 'Curt Raymond'; 'Mercedes Discussion 
List'
  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 4:28 PM
  Subject: RE: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

It's a tax thing.  Lease costs are deductible business expenses. 


For a personal vehicle, there is only a narrow range of circumstances where 
leasing makes sense (like a temporary need).  Two of my kids leased (vs 
bought), against my strongest advice, and it hasn't worked well.  One used up 
the allotted miles and had to park the car for the last several months of the 
lease.  The other will need to lease another very soon (with big up-front 
costs) or buy out the existing lease for too much money.  I think this was a 
case of wanting more car than they could afford and getting trapped as a result.


-Original Message-
From:  Curt Raymond via Mercedes

  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:15 AM

I know companies like to lease stuff since it keeps it off the ownership books 
...




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Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
August 15, 2016 at 3:28 PM
It's a tax thing.  Lease costs are deductible business expenses.

For a personal vehicle, there is only a narrow range of circumstances where 
leasing makes sense (like a temporary need).  Two of my kids leased (vs 
bought), against my strongest advice, and it hasn't worked well.  One used up 
the allotted miles and had to park the car for the last several months of the 
lease.  The other will need to lease another very soon (with big up-front 
costs) or buy out the existing lease for too much money.  I think this was a 
case of wanting more car than they could afford and getting trapped as a result.


-Original Message-
From:  Curt Raymond via Mercedes

  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:15 AM

I know companies like to lease stuff since it keeps it off the ownership books 
...



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Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
August 15, 2016 at 10:14 AM
I know companies like to lease stuff since it keeps it off the 
ownership books but with that kind of mileage it'd probably make more 
sense to own or even to rent which is kind of a strange thought.
I'd add the VW Passat to the list, they're big and roomy, the gas 
engines are pretty zippy, sadly I think you still can't get a TDI.
The new Impala is supposed to be something special, I'm hoping they 
hit the rental fleet pretty soon, I'd like to try one. The Sonatas are 
very nice, much nicer than the equivalent Toyota for for less money.
Camry is super boring and you'll lose it in parking lots full of 
identical cars. I've been there, had to click the key fob to figure 
out which car was mine...
The Charger can be a decent car if its not got a horrible rental car 
transmission. I'm stunned that Chrysler still makes garbage cars for 
rentals. They make people think the cars are way worse than they are. 
They make a very good engine these days but still make rotten sloppy 
slushboxes. On the other hand the upper end transmissions like the 
9spd in my parent's Cherokee are smooth as silk...

-Curt

From: Donald Snook via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Donald Snook 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:07 AM
Subject: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

I MAY have a new job opportunity that includes a new car lease.  I am 
not sure about the details yet and therefore I am speculating about 
the terms.  So, this may be a bit of day dreaming.


Given what I am guessing is a monthly lease 

Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Sure, that too.
I had a boss once when I was in college who leased a new Honda, then got a job 
that required an absurdly long, like 150 mile round trip, commute. She'd gotten 
a huge pay raise so the job made sense but like you kid she had to park the car 
and buy another since the mileage price on the lease was absurd. That was when 
I decided leasing was dumb.
-Curt

  From: Scott Ritchey 
 To: 'Curt Raymond' ; 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
 
 Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 4:28 PM
 Subject: RE: [MBZ] OT leasing a car
   
It's a tax thing.  Lease costs are deductible business expenses.  

For a personal vehicle, there is only a narrow range of circumstances where 
leasing makes sense (like a temporary need).  Two of my kids leased (vs 
bought), against my strongest advice, and it hasn't worked well.  One used up 
the allotted miles and had to park the car for the last several months of the 
lease.  The other will need to lease another very soon (with big up-front 
costs) or buy out the existing lease for too much money.  I think this was a 
case of wanting more car than they could afford and getting trapped as a result.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:15 AM
> 
> I know companies like to lease stuff since it keeps it off the ownership 
> books ...


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

It's a tax thing.  Lease costs are deductible business expenses.  

For a personal vehicle, there is only a narrow range of circumstances where 
leasing makes sense (like a temporary need).  Two of my kids leased (vs 
bought), against my strongest advice, and it hasn't worked well.  One used up 
the allotted miles and had to park the car for the last several months of the 
lease.  The other will need to lease another very soon (with big up-front 
costs) or buy out the existing lease for too much money.  I think this was a 
case of wanting more car than they could afford and getting trapped as a result.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:15 AM
> 
> I know companies like to lease stuff since it keeps it off the ownership 
> books ...


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Re: [MBZ] Why the U.S. "lost" the Vietnam War?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Excellent advice.  But what about folks (and groups) for whom "coexist" is
forbidden, quite literally, as an element of faith?

> -Original Message-
> ...
> 
> COEXIST!
> 
> --FT



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I just checked the town by-laws (helpfully online) and they specifically 
prohibit any unregistered motor vehicle within 50' of a public way or property 
line but make no reference to a travel trailer. I think one could reasonably 
assume it applies.
Tomorrow I might stop by the town office and see what they think.
My feeling is that this is temporary shelter while its hot. Typically the kids 
(teenage and younger) live in tents in the backyard all summer. Apparently 
there are funds enough for booze and pot and smokes but not for air 
conditioning.
One other thought is that a strong "review" of the house by the police would 
probably result in several folks going to jail. I don't think that really would 
result in anything good from our perspective so I've never bothered, the 
youngest grandson was getting a lot of attention from the police last year 
anyway. This year he's got a girlfriend who seems to keep him straightened 
out...
-Curt

  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Meade Dillon 
 Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 4:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors
   
Agreed.  The trailers may be gone after a phone call, but will the
neighbors still be there?  Curt and Angie need to deal with the long-term
situation, not just the immediate problem.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes, but he mentioned thinking about doing damage to them (cutting the
> electric cord) and we all know that is not a good idea - especially in
> these days where everyone carries a video camera and they might have
> surveillance cameras etc. Once one starts thinking about revenge etc, it
> can get out of hand. Best to just call in the authorities and let them deal
> with it. If he lives in any normal sort of area, the authorities will
> likely make the trailers go away pretty quickly.
>
> RB
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Why the U.S. "lost" the Vietnam War?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Where did you read this?

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> And it turns out the muslim imam and his associate who were executed in
> Queens NY were apparently done in by a (gasp!) hispanic as a result of an
> ongoing feud between the two ethnicities who seem to be the co-dominant
> groups in the 'hood. This fact will likely be overlooked in the reporting
> of the collection of the alleged perp, unless he is a "white hispanic." It
> is still clearly Trump's fault though.
>
> COEXIST!
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 8/15/16 3:39 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> On 15/08/2016 2:38 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Scott wrote:
>>>
 Yup.  After our military won the Vietnam war (more than once), our
 politicians decided to quit and retreat.  Just like Iraq.

>>> This is probably happening today also?
>>> mao
>>>
>>> ___
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>>
>> Yes, have you not noticed that they have given up on Chicago?
>>
>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Thanks - exhaust

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

I'm sure we are not the best looking guys but I'll try get some photos of us  
in bathing suits! :)

Michael E. Esh


> On Aug 15, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> No pictures?  No video?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks to Rick Noble for the help in getting a new (to me) stainless
>> exhaust system for 300D at at about 1/4 the price of new.
>> Thanks again Rick. Nice meeting you.
>> Mike
>> 
>> Michael E. Esh
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Agreed.  The trailers may be gone after a phone call, but will the
neighbors still be there?  Curt and Angie need to deal with the long-term
situation, not just the immediate problem.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes, but he mentioned thinking about doing damage to them (cutting the
> electric cord) and we all know that is not a good idea - especially in
> these days where everyone carries a video camera and they might have
> surveillance cameras etc. Once one starts thinking about revenge etc, it
> can get out of hand. Best to just call in the authorities and let them deal
> with it. If he lives in any normal sort of area, the authorities will
> likely make the trailers go away pretty quickly.
>
> RB
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Neighbors..

[Richard Hattaway via Mercedes]

Yep, let the town settle it... should not be too hard unless you live in the 
country so far out nobody cares...

If there are actually ~dozen people living there, then they are almost 
certainly in violation of some health department code.  If they are using a 
septic system, you can guarantee they are in violation... 

The county probably has an eyesore regulation but they never ever ever ever 
enforce it.  But if the trailers are not registered, then you have a good piece 
of leverage with the tax people.  

As my whiner neighbor used to say.. get on the phone and make the elected and 
appointed earn their money :)\
Dick

 

>I doubt it. I suggest you are asking for retribution.
>No need for a lawyer.
>Contact the town by-law folks.
>The trailer folks have no need to know who complained but I would be 
>surprised if the trailers did not go away.

>RB


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Yes, but he mentioned thinking about doing damage to them (cutting the 
electric cord) and we all know that is not a good idea - especially in 
these days where everyone carries a video camera and they might have  
surveillance cameras etc. Once one starts thinking about revenge etc, it 
can get out of hand. Best to just call in the authorities and let them 
deal with it. If he lives in any normal sort of area, the authorities 
will likely make the trailers go away pretty quickly.


RB

On 15/08/2016 3:01 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Well, Curt is the "on scene Commander" (i.e. the man on the ground) who
knows far more than we arm-chair-advice-generators will ever know.  We've
given him options across the spectrum from "HE" to "wait and see".

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I doubt it. I suggest you are asking for retribution.
No need for a lawyer.
Contact the town by-law folks.
The trailer folks have no need to know who complained but I would be
surprised if the trailers did not go away.

RB




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

You may get better response from the local building inspector if they are in 
violation of code.  We had neighbors doing all manner of unsavory things (like 
using the back yard as a bathroom) but they had an extension cord running to a 
defunct school bus, where the father-in-law lived.  Calls to social services 
were ineffective but one call to county code enforcement did the trick.  This 
is in a very rural area where many golks have horses and other livestock.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:31 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors
> 
> I was just looking at the power cord which is streetside thinking that if I 
> got
> some insulated bolt cutters I'd be safe snipping it. Wonder how many times I
> could cut it before they'd get the idea...
> -Curt
> 
>   From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Floyd Thursby 
>  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:28 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors
> 
> You have thunderstorms occasionally with lots of lightning, right? Lightning 
> is
> known to be drawn to aluminum.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 8/15/16 11:25 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > I think I need to chat with the guy who owns the house next door to theirs.
> He's a good complainer, got some dogs down the street taken care of a
> couple years ago. He's trying to sell his place now and that trailer sitting 
> right
> on the edge of his property isn't going to help any.
> > -Curt
> >
> >From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> >  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: Floyd Thursby 
> >  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:22 AM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors
> >
> > Check your town ordinances then call the building inspector and have
> > him/her look over the property.  Up there meeting him/her with a fifth
> > of Johnny Walker would probably help your case too, our BIs down here
> > are pretty straight about that kind of stuff, some dude from NJ tried
> > that on one a few years ago and got sent to jail to think about it for
> > a little while.
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >
> > On 8/15/16 11:19 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Question: How long can somebody have an unregistered camper trailer on
> their front lawn?
> >> The people across the street have had a 5th wheel for a couple years,
> when they first got it I was frightened it was going to be the guest house for
> their worthless kids. It is to some extent but they keep it nice-ish and move 
> it
> out for the winter.This week they moved in a big bumper pull (I don't know
> the right name but you get the idea) trailer right square across the front of
> their yard facing my house. This one is crap, its all dirty and obviously 
> leaks as
> they've put a big tarp over the top.
> >> I can't even tell how many people live over there now, 10 or 11 anyway,
> they come and go all hours, make a bunch of noise and can't manage to keep
> their trash in the trash cans so it blows all around the street. I pretty much
> hate them and would love to get the town to come down on them...
> >> So is it legal to have a bunch of people living in campers around the yard?
> I'm thinking now that they have the second one I could complain that they're
> running a campground...
> >> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Well, Curt is the "on scene Commander" (i.e. the man on the ground) who
knows far more than we arm-chair-advice-generators will ever know.  We've
given him options across the spectrum from "HE" to "wait and see".

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> I doubt it. I suggest you are asking for retribution.
> No need for a lawyer.
> Contact the town by-law folks.
> The trailer folks have no need to know who complained but I would be
> surprised if the trailers did not go away.
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Why the U.S. "lost" the Vietnam War?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

And it turns out the muslim imam and his associate who were executed in 
Queens NY were apparently done in by a (gasp!) hispanic as a result of 
an ongoing feud between the two ethnicities who seem to be the 
co-dominant groups in the 'hood. This fact will likely be overlooked in 
the reporting of the collection of the alleged perp, unless he is a 
"white hispanic." It is still clearly Trump's fault though.


COEXIST!

--FT


On 8/15/16 3:39 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 15/08/2016 2:38 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

Scott wrote:

Yup.  After our military won the Vietnam war (more than once), our
politicians decided to quit and retreat.  Just like Iraq.

This is probably happening today also?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

There is nothing French about the Titan...
-Curt

  From: Mountain Man 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 3:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car
   
Curt wrote:
> I don't understand why so few Titan pickups sell, they seem to be very nice 
> trucks. Fun to drive, good resale.

Renault? i.e. Renault-Nissan
mao


   
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Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I don't but a friend does. I can't handle talk radio hardly at all, doesn't 
matter whos politics, its the people I least want to listen to who are on those 
things.
I'm only half an hour south of Keene, we go there often.
-Curt

  From: Mountain Man 
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 Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 3:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car
   
Curt wrote:
> I've been loving the satellite radio in the pickup. I'm always able to find 
> something I'm interested in.

Do you ever hear lrn.fm? Liberty Radio Network in Keene, NH
FreeTalkLive 7-10pm eastern
or, WhatReallyHappened radio 4-7pm eastern
These might be on satellite, or use VLC player and data connection.
mao


   
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Re: [MBZ] Why the U.S. "lost" the Vietnam War?

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Randy wrote:
> Yes, have you not noticed that they have given up on Chicago?

Chicago is exporting the experience.  Milwaukee this week.  Which city
next week?
No - overseas wars.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Curt wrote:
> I don't understand why so few Titan pickups sell, they seem to be very nice 
> trucks. Fun to drive, good resale.

Renault? i.e. Renault-Nissan
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Curt wrote:
> I've been loving the satellite radio in the pickup. I'm always able to find 
> something I'm interested in.

Do you ever hear lrn.fm? Liberty Radio Network in Keene, NH
FreeTalkLive 7-10pm eastern
or, WhatReallyHappened radio 4-7pm eastern
These might be on satellite, or use VLC player and data connection.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

There was a youngish guy (30s) at the Cars & Coffee a few months back 
who had one.  He said it was scary but fun when enjoyed in moderate doses.


--FT


On 8/15/16 2:55 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

I would love to drive the hellcat -- but just for fun.  I couldn't own one of 
those.  With that much power, I would be in jail for all the speeding tickets 
or I would crash into a bridge.   They are very cool cars, though.

-Original Message-
From: Curt Raymond [mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:46 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

Its the Pentastar v6 until you step up to the R/T (2 steps up) to get the 5.7l 
v8. Same 8spd trans either way.
You're a bigshot, ought to go right to the Hellcat.
-Curt

   From: Donald Snook via Mercedes 
  To: Meade Dillon ; Mercedes Discussion List 

Cc: Donald Snook 
  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:38 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

My only concern about the Charger is that I wonder if the version that can be leased for the right price is the cheapo base version with the crappy small engine.  If it was at least the middle version with the bigger engine/better transmission, it would probably be great.


-Original Message-
From: Meade Dillon [mailto:dillonm...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:19 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

A fellow I used to work with, who usually drove a full-size truck because of 
his height / girth, decided on a Charger as a truck replacement, and a big 
factor was roominess.

I think driving that many miles, you want the heaviest / roomiest car.
After that my criteria would be for a "entertainment" system that would blue-tooth link 
to my smart phone, so I could listen to podcasts or audible books while driving, and be able to use 
the telephone "hands off".

-
Max
Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 15/08/2016 2:12 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

Max wrote:

Settling this directly, with no outside authority, may be preferable.

Why didn't this suggestion happen for the OK-eviction thread 2-weeks ago?
Everyone said lawyer-up.  I like the idea of settling directly and
only lawyer-up later, but not lawyer-up first.
...my opinion...
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I doubt it. I suggest you are asking for retribution.
No need for a lawyer.
Contact the town by-law folks.
The trailer folks have no need to know who complained but I would be 
surprised if the trailers did not go away.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Why the U.S. "lost" the Vietnam War?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 15/08/2016 2:38 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

Scott wrote:

Yup.  After our military won the Vietnam war (more than once), our
politicians decided to quit and retreat.  Just like Iraq.

This is probably happening today also?
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Re: [MBZ] Why the U.S. "lost" the Vietnam War?

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Scott wrote:
> Yup.  After our military won the Vietnam war (more than once), our
> politicians decided to quit and retreat.  Just like Iraq.

This is probably happening today also?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Thanks - exhaust

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

No pictures?  No video?

-
Max
Charleston SC

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> exhaust system for 300D at at about 1/4 the price of new.
> Thanks again Rick. Nice meeting you.
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Re: [MBZ] Why the U.S. "lost" the Vietnam War?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Oh, they quickly agreed to a cease fire - everybody agreed and signed.  We 
came on home; coupla years later, after Congress "told" em they could do 
whatever they wanted with S. Vietnam without any interference from us 
(refused any more aid to S. Vietnam), they took it all, anyway.  I. e., 
Congress gave it all away.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 7:16 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Why the U.S. "lost" the Vietnam War?



Wilton once wrote that after massive U.S. bombing of Hanoi, during which he 
took part, he couldn't understand why the U.S. did not invade North Vietnam 
or make peace on U.S. terms since Hanoi would have agreed to a cease fire.

Would the following likely be the reason?

Book is available at:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=schaller=t=altered+states
~~~
Altered States by Michael Schaller.

Japan's economic ascendancy
in the 1960s (which happened in large part because it was a supplier to 
America's
Vietnam War effort) made President Richard Nixon interested in 
establishing ties
 to China as a counterbalance to Japan. China's border wars with the 
Soviet Union
in 1969 created an opening for the U.S. to make overtures to China. And 
warmer relations
with China would make it easier to exit the Vietnam War. In the greatest 
of ironies,
at the same time China began to fear the repercussions of an American loss 
in Vietnam.

The rapprochement came in a cloud of intrigue:
"[In 1971], Nixon delivered twin shocks -- his July 15 announcement of a 
planned
 visit to China followed by his August 15 deci­sion to cut the dollar 
loose from
 gold, impose an import surcharge, and force the upward valuation of the 
yen. He
 also threatened to impose textile quotas [on Japan] under the terms of 
the Trading

with the Enemy Act
"Nixon's and Kissinger's interest in opening a dialogue with China 
reflected deeper
changes in the cold war. On taking office, both men recog­nized that the 
Soviet
Union had or would soon achieve a rough nuclear parity with the United 
States. Instead
of a costly and probably futile effort to restore superiority, they sought 
to moderate
Soviet behavior through economic and political incentives broadly labeled 
'détente.'
These included negotiated limits on strategic weapons, increased trade and 
tech­nology
transfer, and recognition that the Soviet Union had legitimate global 
interests.

 ...
"In March 1969, the protracted war of words between Moscow and Beijing 
escalated
 into a series of border skirmishes. This schism created an opportunity 
for the
United States to play off the Communist rivals against each other, 
assum­ing Washington
had some leverage with the People's Republic of China. Following the 
border clashes,
Nixon and Kissinger concluded that improved ties with China might 
constrain Soviet
behavior and impel both rivals to cooperate with the United States or risk 
isolation.

...

"The leverage gained through triangular diplomacy with Moscow and Beijing 
might
also hasten an end to the Vietnam War (through Soviet or Chinese pressure 
on North
Viet­nam), provide Washington with greater influence over Japan, and 
facilitate

an orderly reduction of U.S. military power in Asia.
"Just as fear of Chinese expansion initially prompted American 
inter­vention in
Vietnam, a desire to assist Chinese resistance to Soviet pressure 
increased the
administration's determination to speed a settlement in Viet­nam. In 
effect, Nixon
began to apply his 'doctrine' of reduced involve­ment in Asia before, 
rather than
after, 'victory' in Vietnam. As Kissinger elaborated, the 'China 
initiative ...
restored perspective to our national policy.' It reduced 'Indochina to its 
proper
scale -- a small peninsula on a major continent.' The 'drama' of opening 
ties with
China would 'ease for the American people the pain that would inevitably 
accompany

our with­drawal from Southeast Asia.'
"In an odd symmetry, ... Chinese leaders feared an assault by their former 
ally.
 Japan's growing wealth and assertiveness -- brought home by Sato's 
affirmation
in 1969 of an interest in the security of South Korea, Taiwan, and 
Vietnam -- raised

the added specter of a rearmed, expansive Japan. ...
"Because the retreat of Ameri­can power [in the withdrawal of troops from 
Vietnam]
coincided with a growing Soviet threat, Chinese strategists who previously 
feared
a U.S. victory in Vietnam now agonized about the conse­quences of a 
defeat. America's
retreat would leave China caught between the Soviet Union and Japan. As 
Nixon and
Kissinger hoped, Mao's deter­mination to protect China outweighed his 
disdain for
capitalism, solidarity with Hanoi, mistrust of the United States, and 
drive to regain

Taiwan.
"During 1969 and 1970, the administration signaled a 

Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Other parties had already lawyered-up, hadn't they?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Mountain Man via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Mountain Man" 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors



Max wrote:

Settling this directly, with no outside authority, may be preferable.


Why didn't this suggestion happen for the OK-eviction thread 2-weeks ago?
Everyone said lawyer-up.  I like the idea of settling directly and
only lawyer-up later, but not lawyer-up first.
...my opinion...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Max wrote:
> Settling this directly, with no outside authority, may be preferable.

Why didn't this suggestion happen for the OK-eviction thread 2-weeks ago?
Everyone said lawyer-up.  I like the idea of settling directly and
only lawyer-up later, but not lawyer-up first.
...my opinion...
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Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I would love to drive the hellcat -- but just for fun.  I couldn't own one of 
those.  With that much power, I would be in jail for all the speeding tickets 
or I would crash into a bridge.   They are very cool cars, though. 

-Original Message-
From: Curt Raymond [mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:46 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

Its the Pentastar v6 until you step up to the R/T (2 steps up) to get the 5.7l 
v8. Same 8spd trans either way.
You're a bigshot, ought to go right to the Hellcat.
-Curt

  From: Donald Snook via Mercedes 
 To: Meade Dillon ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
Cc: Donald Snook 
 Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:38 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car
   
My only concern about the Charger is that I wonder if the version that can be 
leased for the right price is the cheapo base version with the crappy small 
engine.  If it was at least the middle version with the bigger engine/better 
transmission, it would probably be great.  

-Original Message-
From: Meade Dillon [mailto:dillonm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:19 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

A fellow I used to work with, who usually drove a full-size truck because of 
his height / girth, decided on a Charger as a truck replacement, and a big 
factor was roominess.

I think driving that many miles, you want the heaviest / roomiest car.
After that my criteria would be for a "entertainment" system that would 
blue-tooth link to my smart phone, so I could listen to podcasts or audible 
books while driving, and be able to use the telephone "hands off".

-
Max
Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] Why the U.S. "lost" the Vietnam War?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I'm sure Chinese rope would work just as well as any other, for "one time
use".

No fancy knots necessary... just resolve to clean house and "gitt'er done".

How many American lives have been ruined by greedy politicians, counting
from Vietnam forward.. since that time frame will cover most lifetimes here
in this forum...

Just asking.. you opinion may vary...

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Problem is, nobody makes rope here anymore, and culturally we've lost the
> will to use rope to solve just about any problem.
>
> I once watched an Italian furniture maker tie some nice wooden piece into
> the back of some small Italian car, he was so quick it was very tough to
> follow.  Put every sailor I've met since to shame.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 2:31 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > "There just ain't nothing in politics that rope can't fix."   Will
> Rogers,
> > circa 1922
> >
> >
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[MBZ] Thanks - exhaust

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

Thanks to Rick Noble for the help in getting a new (to me) stainless exhaust 
system for 300D at at about 1/4 the price of new. 
Thanks again Rick. Nice meeting you. 
Mike

Michael E. Esh


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Re: [MBZ] Why the U.S. "lost" the Vietnam War?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Problem is, nobody makes rope here anymore, and culturally we've lost the
will to use rope to solve just about any problem.

I once watched an Italian furniture maker tie some nice wooden piece into
the back of some small Italian car, he was so quick it was very tough to
follow.  Put every sailor I've met since to shame.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 2:31 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> "There just ain't nothing in politics that rope can't fix."   Will Rogers,
> circa 1922
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Car for niece

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I'd take a 124 or a 126 with ABS and airbags over the 123, but I think just
about any car made in the last ten years is going to be safer in both of
your scenarios.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have this discussion a lot with my wife. So let's take a poll.
> >
> > Accident like Wilton's. Two kids in back. Do you prefer a new vw GTI, or
> a w123?
> >
> > Similarly, head on into a tree. New GTI or w123?
> >
> > I go back and forth between the virtues of car mass and the vetus of
> airbags everywhere. Vs other cars, I prefer mass, due to transfers of
> momentum from one car to the other.
> >
> > Vs a tree, I think the airbags win.
> >
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Why the U.S. "lost" the Vietnam War?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

"There just ain't nothing in politics that rope can't fix."   Will Rogers,
circa 1922

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yup.  After our military won the Vietnam war (more than once), our
> politicians decided to quit and retreat.  Just like Iraq.  You can argue
> the
> reasons and justification for starting both of these wars but the final
> outcomes were the result of political decisions in the US.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > WILTON via Mercedes
> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 9:35 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: WILTON 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why the U.S. "lost" the Vietnam War?
> >
> > I've never said we should invade N. Vietnam.  I said, "North Vietnam's
> > military commander, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap said, 'What we still don't
> > understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi (in Dec
> > '72).
> > If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we
> > were ready to surrender!  It was the same at the battle of TET in '68.
> > You defeated us!  We knew it, and we thought you knew it.  But we were
> > elated that your media was helping us.  They were causing more
> > disruption in America than we could on the battlefields.  We were ready
> > to surrender.  You had won!'"
> > I also said, "General Giap merely confirmed what many Americans already
> > knew.  The Vietnam War was not lost on the battlefields in Vietnam - it
> > was lost at home by public opinion and given away by Congress."
> >
> > Wilton
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] pimped low-rider S430 ONLY serious people with funds text the number above.

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

You think I can get that for $500!!!

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> ...quite an artful way of advertising a $500 collapsed heap.
>
> Mitch
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 15, 2016 at 1:42 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> LOL.  I must lead a very sheltered life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPG-7

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Re: [MBZ] Why the U.S. "lost" the Vietnam War?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Yup.  After our military won the Vietnam war (more than once), our
politicians decided to quit and retreat.  Just like Iraq.  You can argue the
reasons and justification for starting both of these wars but the final
outcomes were the result of political decisions in the US.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> WILTON via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 9:35 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: WILTON 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why the U.S. "lost" the Vietnam War?
> 
> I've never said we should invade N. Vietnam.  I said, "North Vietnam's
> military commander, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap said, 'What we still don't
> understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi (in Dec
> '72).
> If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we
> were ready to surrender!  It was the same at the battle of TET in '68.
> You defeated us!  We knew it, and we thought you knew it.  But we were
> elated that your media was helping us.  They were causing more
> disruption in America than we could on the battlefields.  We were ready
> to surrender.  You had won!'"
> I also said, "General Giap merely confirmed what many Americans already
> knew.  The Vietnam War was not lost on the battlefields in Vietnam - it
> was lost at home by public opinion and given away by Congress."
> 
> Wilton
> 


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Re: [MBZ] pimped low-rider S430 ONLY serious people with funds text the number above.

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 15, 2016 at 1:05 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5732377058.html
> 
> only issue is a wire burned out in dashboard

And a totally failed air ride suspension, but hey, that's a feature, not a
bug...

...quite an artful way of advertising a $500 collapsed heap. 

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] One of Our Beloved Cars Saves Another

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That's good.  And that other part is good too, a reminder that it could 
have been much worse.  I'm happy for both of you that it was no worse.


Maybe a trip to an AA meeting would be helpful too.  I know a guy who 
has been sober for 20some years who still goes, mostly to tell the 
others his experiences and to offer help and support.  While this might 
have been just stupid kid behavior, it might also be good to head it off?


--FT


On 8/15/16 2:02 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

Yeah he is doing alright. He's remarkably sore.


--
--FT


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Re: [MBZ] One of Our Beloved Cars Saves Another

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Yeah he is doing alright. He's remarkably sore. I'm going to show him the
pictures I just took so he can see his handiwork. He has no recollection of
Friday morning, except pissing himself after the stopped careening around.

Bob R
On Aug 15, 2016 9:26 AM, "archer75--- via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Sorry to hear that, Bob. Hopefully the bleeding will stop and the kidney
> can be saved. I and other listers will say a prayer for him.
> Gerry
>
> > Bob,
> >
> > I'm so sorry to hear about your son's troubles.  But, I'm so glad he was
> driving a car that helped keep him relatively safe.   Dealing with the DUI
> is going to be rough.
> >
> >
> > Donald H. Snook
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Bob Rentfro [mailto:azbob...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 6:01 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Subject: [MBZ] One of Our Beloved Cars Saves Another
> >
> > Boy child drove my CLK 350 into a palm tree. Sheriff estimates he was
> going at least 65mph. No skid marks. He was able to get out of the car and
> call me, even though he was drunk as hell. While Popo took him off for
> ticketing, he started pissing blood so now I'm at the ER waiting. Again,
> John Law says the car absolutely saved him. I'll attach a couple of photos,
> hopefully list mother can make it happen.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] a lasting image of prestige and power

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I predict that 10 years from now this will seem like a cheap price.  The
newer SLs are way less attractive.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> "Under the hood is a powerful 5.6 Liter V8 that is mated to a very
> responsive Automatic transmission that allows..."
>
> I think he (she?) needs a few more phallic references, and he'll get his
> price...
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > This is very nice but out of my range
> >
> > https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5732389850.html
> >
> > Look at the straight lines, take in the chrome, and admire the huge
> > Mercedes grill that announces power and your arrival at the same time
> >
> > --
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

LOL.  I must lead a very sheltered life.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> A role playing game. Once I establish my dominance they'll fall into
> line...
> -Curt
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
>  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 1:30 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors
>
> RPG?
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I would go straight to the RPGs and be done with it
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/15/16 12:04 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> OK then, time to talk with them and let them know.  They may respond
> like
> >> reasonable adults, they may take the low road.  Give them the choice,
> then
> >> respond accordingly?  You can always escalate, and you'll have more
> >> credibility with any authority if you show that you tried to be
> reasonable
> >> first.  I'll bet that your neighbor will have a lot more respect for you
> >> if
> >> you talk to him first, and also if you always take the high road (and
> >> don't
> >> start cutting the power cord) then they will never have any
> justification
> >> to take action against you, so any retribution (like throwing trash in
> >> your
> >> yard, or blocking your drive) will clearly demonstrate their bad
> >> intentions.
> >>
> >> The moment their behavior starts to deteriorate, you need to start
> >> documenting with photos and videos etc, so you have evidence to back up
> >> your story.
> >>
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The first trailer sits in the driveway, its perpendicular to the house
> and
> >>> it goes away in the winter time.
> >>> I'm concerned that this trailer means more people are moving in. Its
> also
> >>> limited their parking since they can't pull onto the front lawn anymore
> >>> so
> >>> they park farther out into the street. We're the last two houses on a
> >>> dead
> >>> end street and they already take up the whole end of the street
> >>> occasionally making it difficult to get in or out of my driveway.
> >>> Basically I'm saying these people are bad neighbors, I've put up with
> >>> them
> >>> for 10 years being a "nice guy" about it but every year they get a
> little
> >>> worse and I'm kinda tired of it...
> >>> -Curt
> >>>
> >>>From: Meade Dillon 
> >>>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>>  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:46 AM
> >>>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors
> >>>
> >>> I'd council a reasonable and direct communication approach first, just
> go
> >>> talk to the head male at their house, and find out what's going on.
> >>> Gather
> >>> info, be friendly, don't offer any opinions or comment or give them
> >>> anything, just gather info.  "hey how ya doin?  What's up with the new
> >>> trailer?"  Listen very carefully, let them talk and talk.  Go home,
> chat
> >>> with Angie, sleep on it, get more info from the town or police or
> sheriff
> >>> or whatever, and think about re-engaging the trailer neighbor with your
> >>> other neighbor, and try to keep it civil.  You need to decide what's
> more
> >>> important, good relations with neighbor or aesthetics.  Always leave
> them
> >>> an out...
> >>>
> >>> Are you pissed because of the looks?  You've already tolerated the
> first
> >>> trailer, right?  If nobody in the 'hood ever said anything about the
> >>> first
> >>> trailer, then you have kind of set a precedent.  Settling this
> directly,
> >>> with no outside authority, may be preferable.
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>> Max
> >>> Charleston SC
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] pimped low-rider S430 ONLY serious people with funds text the number above.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Whatever that means, it can't be good.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5732377058.html
>
> only issue is a wire burned out in dashboard
>
> --
> --FT
>
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Re: [MBZ] a lasting image of prestige and power

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

"Under the hood is a powerful 5.6 Liter V8 that is mated to a very
responsive Automatic transmission that allows..."

I think he (she?) needs a few more phallic references, and he'll get his
price...

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This is very nice but out of my range
>
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5732389850.html
>
> Look at the straight lines, take in the chrome, and admire the huge
> Mercedes grill that announces power and your arrival at the same time
>
> --
> --FT
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 1980 Mercedes-Benz 300CD Diesel coupe

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Is that taupe or CO beige I wonder.  Nice looking car but interior pix
would help.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Not mine, etc.
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
>
>
> 
> From: nore...@craigslist.org 
> Sent: 15 August 2016 16:36
> To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
> Subject: 1980 Mercedes-Benz 300CD Diesel coupe
>
>
> fredy4.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist:
>
> 
> 1980 Mercedes-Benz 300CD Diesel coupe
>
> http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/5676914177.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

A role playing game. Once I establish my dominance they'll fall into line...
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 1:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors
   
RPG?

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I would go straight to the RPGs and be done with it
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 8/15/16 12:04 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> OK then, time to talk with them and let them know.  They may respond like
>> reasonable adults, they may take the low road.  Give them the choice, then
>> respond accordingly?  You can always escalate, and you'll have more
>> credibility with any authority if you show that you tried to be reasonable
>> first.  I'll bet that your neighbor will have a lot more respect for you
>> if
>> you talk to him first, and also if you always take the high road (and
>> don't
>> start cutting the power cord) then they will never have any justification
>> to take action against you, so any retribution (like throwing trash in
>> your
>> yard, or blocking your drive) will clearly demonstrate their bad
>> intentions.
>>
>> The moment their behavior starts to deteriorate, you need to start
>> documenting with photos and videos etc, so you have evidence to back up
>> your story.
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> The first trailer sits in the driveway, its perpendicular to the house and
>>> it goes away in the winter time.
>>> I'm concerned that this trailer means more people are moving in. Its also
>>> limited their parking since they can't pull onto the front lawn anymore
>>> so
>>> they park farther out into the street. We're the last two houses on a
>>> dead
>>> end street and they already take up the whole end of the street
>>> occasionally making it difficult to get in or out of my driveway.
>>> Basically I'm saying these people are bad neighbors, I've put up with
>>> them
>>> for 10 years being a "nice guy" about it but every year they get a little
>>> worse and I'm kinda tired of it...
>>> -Curt
>>>
>>>        From: Meade Dillon 
>>>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:46 AM
>>>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors
>>>
>>> I'd council a reasonable and direct communication approach first, just go
>>> talk to the head male at their house, and find out what's going on.
>>> Gather
>>> info, be friendly, don't offer any opinions or comment or give them
>>> anything, just gather info.  "hey how ya doin?  What's up with the new
>>> trailer?"  Listen very carefully, let them talk and talk.  Go home, chat
>>> with Angie, sleep on it, get more info from the town or police or sheriff
>>> or whatever, and think about re-engaging the trailer neighbor with your
>>> other neighbor, and try to keep it civil.  You need to decide what's more
>>> important, good relations with neighbor or aesthetics.  Always leave them
>>> an out...
>>>
>>> Are you pissed because of the looks?  You've already tolerated the first
>>> trailer, right?  If nobody in the 'hood ever said anything about the
>>> first
>>> trailer, then you have kind of set a precedent.  Settling this directly,
>>> with no outside authority, may be preferable.
>>>
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

RPG is what you use to defend your dermaders in the DC area.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
August 15, 2016 at 12:30 PM
RPG?



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

RPG?

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I would go straight to the RPGs and be done with it
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 8/15/16 12:04 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> OK then, time to talk with them and let them know.  They may respond like
>> reasonable adults, they may take the low road.  Give them the choice, then
>> respond accordingly?  You can always escalate, and you'll have more
>> credibility with any authority if you show that you tried to be reasonable
>> first.  I'll bet that your neighbor will have a lot more respect for you
>> if
>> you talk to him first, and also if you always take the high road (and
>> don't
>> start cutting the power cord) then they will never have any justification
>> to take action against you, so any retribution (like throwing trash in
>> your
>> yard, or blocking your drive) will clearly demonstrate their bad
>> intentions.
>>
>> The moment their behavior starts to deteriorate, you need to start
>> documenting with photos and videos etc, so you have evidence to back up
>> your story.
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> The first trailer sits in the driveway, its perpendicular to the house and
>>> it goes away in the winter time.
>>> I'm concerned that this trailer means more people are moving in. Its also
>>> limited their parking since they can't pull onto the front lawn anymore
>>> so
>>> they park farther out into the street. We're the last two houses on a
>>> dead
>>> end street and they already take up the whole end of the street
>>> occasionally making it difficult to get in or out of my driveway.
>>> Basically I'm saying these people are bad neighbors, I've put up with
>>> them
>>> for 10 years being a "nice guy" about it but every year they get a little
>>> worse and I'm kinda tired of it...
>>> -Curt
>>>
>>>From: Meade Dillon 
>>>   To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>   Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:46 AM
>>>   Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors
>>>
>>> I'd council a reasonable and direct communication approach first, just go
>>> talk to the head male at their house, and find out what's going on.
>>> Gather
>>> info, be friendly, don't offer any opinions or comment or give them
>>> anything, just gather info.  "hey how ya doin?  What's up with the new
>>> trailer?"  Listen very carefully, let them talk and talk.  Go home, chat
>>> with Angie, sleep on it, get more info from the town or police or sheriff
>>> or whatever, and think about re-engaging the trailer neighbor with your
>>> other neighbor, and try to keep it civil.  You need to decide what's more
>>> important, good relations with neighbor or aesthetics.  Always leave them
>>> an out...
>>>
>>> Are you pissed because of the looks?  You've already tolerated the first
>>> trailer, right?  If nobody in the 'hood ever said anything about the
>>> first
>>> trailer, then you have kind of set a precedent.  Settling this directly,
>>> with no outside authority, may be preferable.
>>>
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[MBZ] a lasting image of prestige and power

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

This is very nice but out of my range

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5732389850.html

Look at the straight lines, take in the chrome, and admire the huge 
Mercedes grill that announces power and your arrival at the same time


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[MBZ] pimped low-rider S430 ONLY serious people with funds text the number above.

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5732377058.html

only issue is a wire burned out in dashboard

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[MBZ] Why the U.S. "lost" the Vietnam War?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Also like I said:
   "In Aug of ‘64, there were two incidents that led to much greater 
American involvement - American war ships in international waters in the 
Gulf  of Tonkin off of N. Vietnam were confronted and fired upon by several 
N. Vietnamese torpedo boats.  The American ships returned fire and sank one 
of the boats.  A couple of nights later, nervous and “antsy” RADAR operators 
on the American ships in the same area saw what they thought were the N. 
Vietnamese boats again and the Americans fired wildly on them.  Thorough 
investigation years later confirmed that there were no N. Vietnamese boats 
there that night - they turned out to have been imagined - caused by 
spurious returns on the ships‘ RADAR and anxious operators.
Meanwhile, Congress passed the Gulf of Tokin Resolution that granted 
President Johnson authority to assist any Southeast Asian country whose 
government was considered to be jeopardized by "Communist aggression.” 
Johnson used this resolution as legal justification for greatly increasing 
and deploying additional U.S. forces to the area and to begin open warfare 
by American units against North Vietnam.
Johnson immediately ordered air strikes on certain targets in N. 
Vietnam.  These Air strikes gradually increased over several years, but 
Johnson continued to maintain tight control over what targets could be 
struck - he even boasted once that, “Nobody can bomb an outhouse in Vietnam 
without my permission.”
Throughout the many years of the conflict, targets and action continued 
to be severely restricted by the President and Secretary of Defense; many 
hills and villages were taken, and every battle was won; hills and territory 
taken at great cost of American lives were often immediately returned to 
Viet Cong (Communist) control.  The enemy was also allowed to take sanctuary 
in Cambodia and Laos;  bombing campaigns were on for a while and then off 
for a while.  American aircraft were not allowed to hit surface-to-air 
missile sites unless they were fired upon first.  They were also not allowed 
to hit fighter aircraft on the ground, fighter airfields, or missile storage 
facilities, etc.  Such as this went on and on for years.  Meanwhile, more 
and more brave young Americans were killed, badly wounded and/or taken 
prisoner."


Etc, etc.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" 

To: 
Cc: "Floyd Thursby" 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why the U.S. "lost" the Vietnam War?


Watch the American Presidents PBS show about ol' Lyndon to learn some
about the Tonkin Gulf Resolution.  Everyone knew nothing happened there
but Congress voted anyway to give ol' Lyndon very broad powers to wage
war in "Veetnam."  Also to learn how 70 or 80 votes magically appeared
from South Texas to put him over the top to start his Senate career.  He
was a very adept politician, an old Dixiecrat to begin with but then he
sorta rolled with the times on the civil rights aspect (which in some
ways worked out OK but the "War on Poverty" followed pretty much the
Veetnam war strategy), but he still managed to get 50,000 Americans and
untold numbers of Vietnamese killed while failing to be In It To Win It.

Any of this sound familiar?

You can watch the show on-line or on the PBS app on your favorite
streaming device, if you can stand it.  It was sorta like watching a
slow-motion train wreck when you know what is going to happen.

--FT


On 8/15/16 9:35 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
I've never said we should invade N. Vietnam.  I said, "North Vietnam's 
military commander, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap said, 'What we still don't 
understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi (in Dec '72). 
If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we 
were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battle of TET in '68.  You 
defeated us!  We knew it, and we thought you knew it.  But we were elated 
that your media was helping us.  They were causing more disruption in 
America than we could on the battlefields.  We were ready to surrender. 
You had won!'"
I also said, "General Giap merely confirmed what many Americans already 
knew.  The Vietnam War was not lost on the battlefields in Vietnam - it 
was lost at home by public opinion and given away by Congress."


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "archer75--- via Mercedes" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 7:16 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Why the U.S. "lost" the Vietnam War?



Wilton once wrote that after massive U.S. bombing of Hanoi, during which 
he took part, he couldn't understand why the U.S. did not invade North 
Vietnam or make peace on U.S. terms since Hanoi would have agreed to a 
cease fire.

Would the following likely be the reason?

Book is available at:

[MBZ] Fw: 1980 Mercedes-Benz 300CD Diesel coupe

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Not mine, etc.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: nore...@craigslist.org 
Sent: 15 August 2016 16:36
To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
Subject: 1980 Mercedes-Benz 300CD Diesel coupe


fredy4.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist:


1980 Mercedes-Benz 300CD Diesel coupe

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/5676914177.html
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Re: [MBZ] One of Our Beloved Cars Saves Another

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Sorry to hear that, Bob. Hopefully the bleeding will stop and the kidney can be 
saved. I and other listers will say a prayer for him.
Gerry

> Bob, 
> 
> I'm so sorry to hear about your son's troubles.  But, I'm so glad he was 
> driving a car that helped keep him relatively safe.   Dealing with the DUI is 
> going to be rough. 
> 
> 
> Donald H. Snook 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Rentfro [mailto:azbob...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 6:01 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: [MBZ] One of Our Beloved Cars Saves Another
> 
> Boy child drove my CLK 350 into a palm tree. Sheriff estimates he was going 
> at least 65mph. No skid marks. He was able to get out of the car and call me, 
> even though he was drunk as hell. While Popo took him off for ticketing, he 
> started pissing blood so now I'm at the ER waiting. Again, John Law says the 
> car absolutely saved him. I'll attach a couple of photos, hopefully list 
> mother can make it happen.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I don't understand why so few Titan pickups sell, they seem to be very nice 
trucks. Fun to drive, good resale.
The only things I didn't like were that the center console didn't have any 
storage, it was just a padded block, and the top of the dash is really long. 
Fairly minor things, we just couldn't find one at the price we were wanting to 
pay.
-Curt

  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Floyd Thursby 
 Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car
   
Nissan Titan truck?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/08/15/nissan-ups-full-size-pickup-wars-longer-warranty/88604170/

--FT


On 8/15/16 11:45 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Its the Pentastar v6 until you step up to the R/T (2 steps up) to get the 
> 5.7l v8. Same 8spd trans either way.
> You're a bigshot, ought to go right to the Hellcat.
> -Curt
>
>        From: Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  To: Meade Dillon ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>
> Cc: Donald Snook 
>  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:38 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car
>    
> My only concern about the Charger is that I wonder if the version that can be 
> leased for the right price is the cheapo base version with the crappy small 
> engine.  If it was at least the middle version with the bigger engine/better 
> transmission, it would probably be great.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Meade Dillon [mailto:dillonm...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:19 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car
>
> A fellow I used to work with, who usually drove a full-size truck because of 
> his height / girth, decided on a Charger as a truck replacement, and a big 
> factor was roominess.
>
> I think driving that many miles, you want the heaviest / roomiest car.
> After that my criteria would be for a "entertainment" system that would 
> blue-tooth link to my smart phone, so I could listen to podcasts or audible 
> books while driving, and be able to use the telephone "hands off".
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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[MBZ] Who needs/wants a new Maybach? (or would that be Maybuick?)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

http://jalopnik.com/here-is-the-glorious-luxury-face-of-the-vision-mercedes-1785296634


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I would go straight to the RPGs and be done with it

--FT


On 8/15/16 12:04 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

OK then, time to talk with them and let them know.  They may respond like
reasonable adults, they may take the low road.  Give them the choice, then
respond accordingly?  You can always escalate, and you'll have more
credibility with any authority if you show that you tried to be reasonable
first.  I'll bet that your neighbor will have a lot more respect for you if
you talk to him first, and also if you always take the high road (and don't
start cutting the power cord) then they will never have any justification
to take action against you, so any retribution (like throwing trash in your
yard, or blocking your drive) will clearly demonstrate their bad
intentions.

The moment their behavior starts to deteriorate, you need to start
documenting with photos and videos etc, so you have evidence to back up
your story.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


The first trailer sits in the driveway, its perpendicular to the house and
it goes away in the winter time.
I'm concerned that this trailer means more people are moving in. Its also
limited their parking since they can't pull onto the front lawn anymore so
they park farther out into the street. We're the last two houses on a dead
end street and they already take up the whole end of the street
occasionally making it difficult to get in or out of my driveway.
Basically I'm saying these people are bad neighbors, I've put up with them
for 10 years being a "nice guy" about it but every year they get a little
worse and I'm kinda tired of it...
-Curt

   From: Meade Dillon 
  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors

I'd council a reasonable and direct communication approach first, just go
talk to the head male at their house, and find out what's going on.  Gather
info, be friendly, don't offer any opinions or comment or give them
anything, just gather info.  "hey how ya doin?  What's up with the new
trailer?"  Listen very carefully, let them talk and talk.  Go home, chat
with Angie, sleep on it, get more info from the town or police or sheriff
or whatever, and think about re-engaging the trailer neighbor with your
other neighbor, and try to keep it civil.  You need to decide what's more
important, good relations with neighbor or aesthetics.  Always leave them
an out...

Are you pissed because of the looks?  You've already tolerated the first
trailer, right?  If nobody in the 'hood ever said anything about the first
trailer, then you have kind of set a precedent.  Settling this directly,
with no outside authority, may be preferable.

-
Max
Charleston SC





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Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

OK then, time to talk with them and let them know.  They may respond like
reasonable adults, they may take the low road.  Give them the choice, then
respond accordingly?  You can always escalate, and you'll have more
credibility with any authority if you show that you tried to be reasonable
first.  I'll bet that your neighbor will have a lot more respect for you if
you talk to him first, and also if you always take the high road (and don't
start cutting the power cord) then they will never have any justification
to take action against you, so any retribution (like throwing trash in your
yard, or blocking your drive) will clearly demonstrate their bad
intentions.

The moment their behavior starts to deteriorate, you need to start
documenting with photos and videos etc, so you have evidence to back up
your story.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The first trailer sits in the driveway, its perpendicular to the house and
> it goes away in the winter time.
> I'm concerned that this trailer means more people are moving in. Its also
> limited their parking since they can't pull onto the front lawn anymore so
> they park farther out into the street. We're the last two houses on a dead
> end street and they already take up the whole end of the street
> occasionally making it difficult to get in or out of my driveway.
> Basically I'm saying these people are bad neighbors, I've put up with them
> for 10 years being a "nice guy" about it but every year they get a little
> worse and I'm kinda tired of it...
> -Curt
>
>   From: Meade Dillon 
>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:46 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Neighbors
>
> I'd council a reasonable and direct communication approach first, just go
> talk to the head male at their house, and find out what's going on.  Gather
> info, be friendly, don't offer any opinions or comment or give them
> anything, just gather info.  "hey how ya doin?  What's up with the new
> trailer?"  Listen very carefully, let them talk and talk.  Go home, chat
> with Angie, sleep on it, get more info from the town or police or sheriff
> or whatever, and think about re-engaging the trailer neighbor with your
> other neighbor, and try to keep it civil.  You need to decide what's more
> important, good relations with neighbor or aesthetics.  Always leave them
> an out...
>
> Are you pissed because of the looks?  You've already tolerated the first
> trailer, right?  If nobody in the 'hood ever said anything about the first
> trailer, then you have kind of set a precedent.  Settling this directly,
> with no outside authority, may be preferable.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
>
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