Re: [MBZ] Alternators

[MG via Mercedes]

You have indeed been lucky. I have had to do 2 or 3. The switch 
to the 80 amp one was just because I wanted more power.


Manfred

rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote:
Wow, I've been lucky. I've replaced one alternator in the 20 plus years I've owned my two old 617s. Do both cars and parts just last longer here in the South? I used to live up North and I know the stress all that salt can put on metal and parts. When I worked, I always drove my 83 300D around 100 miles a day and it never had starting problems unless the battery got old. I like the Bosch batteries now...used to install Interstates, but now only use Bosch. 
Good luck and keep warm you Northern Folks, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
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[MBZ] fla Q

[MG via Mercedes]

So Roger are you thinking of coming down here to the Q this 
weekend? You aren't that far away. I think it's only like 6 hours 
or so. My BIL lives up there right near you btw been up that way 
a few times.


Manfred

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Re: [MBZ] Alternators

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

I usually try to buy from dealers who have a "TOP RATED PLUS" rating. I've 
never had a problem with them.
I never buy from any dealer which doesn't have at least a 99.xx% rating. I 
"have" been cheated by those dealers but only rarely.
Those with no rating are a crapshoot.
Gerry

Mitch Haley wrote:
> Is is possible to buy a new high current alternator for $300, or is 
> this a rebuild masquerading as new?
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bosch-008-154-42-02-88-Alternator-/361554574274
> 
> > On January 11, 2017 at 3:42 PM Fred Moir via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > YMMV

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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 13:26:22 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I found Dave's list and stuck it on OneDrive:
> 
> https://1drv.ms/f/s!Aq8Oa078p_LjgQGp_8GpYAO2cH39

Yup, that's the one I remembered.

Thanks,


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Alternators

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Is is possible to buy a new high current alternator for $300, or is 
this a rebuild masquerading as new?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bosch-008-154-42-02-88-Alternator-/361554574274

> On January 11, 2017 at 3:42 PM Fred Moir via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> YMMV
> 
> 
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] Alternators

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Wow, I've been lucky. I've replaced one alternator in the 20 plus years I've 
owned my two old 617s. Do both cars and parts just last longer here in the 
South? I used to live up North and I know the stress all that salt can put on 
metal and parts. When I worked, I always drove my 83 300D around 100 miles a 
day and it never had starting problems unless the battery got old. I like the 
Bosch batteries now...used to install Interstates, but now only use Bosch. 
Good luck and keep warm you Northern Folks, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Out of town

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Just take them. Curt can figure out distribution. One of our Q traditions
is to photograph  each car with its owner (s).

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
2005 E320 4 matic
Wickford RI

On Jan 11, 2017 6:58 PM, "MG via Mercedes"  wrote:

> I will have to let some of the others do that as photobucket doesn't like
> my computer.
>
> Manfred
>
> Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Take lots of pix & post them on photobucket  etc.
>>
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> 1982 300CD
>> 2005 E320 4 matic
>> Wickford RI
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2017 9:17 AM, "MG via Mercedes"  wrote:
>>
>> Take a mini vacation from the winter. It's supposed to be nice here for
>>> the next 6 days or so. Dry and warm up to 78 so it sounds like a great
>>> time
>>> for a Q down here this Sat. Bring a tent and camp out. We can do a
>>> campfire, roast marshmallows and sit around and try and empty the keg.
>>> Whats not to like.
>>>
>>> Be there or be square as they used to say. I don't get it but I'm sure
>>> someone can enlighten me on Sat, or at least try.
>>>
>>> Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
>>> So, Fly out to FL Q tomorrow


 OK Don via Mercedes 

> January 10, 2017 at 5:28 PM
> We are forecast to be iced in this weekend, from Fri am on - won't be
> doing
> any flying.
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 7:46 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>
>
> Curley McLain 
> January 10, 2017 at 7:46 AM
> You ridin' da dog to da FL Q?
>
> Or flying in the company jet on the way to the next cruise?
>
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> January 10, 2017 at 7:24 AM
> I forgot to mention I am out of town for a company meeting all week. We
> are at the Whitehall in downtown Houston.
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Re: [MBZ] Out of town

[MG via Mercedes]

I will have to let some of the others do that as photobucket 
doesn't like my computer.


Manfred

Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:

Take lots of pix & post them on photobucket  etc.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
2005 E320 4 matic
Wickford RI

On Jan 11, 2017 9:17 AM, "MG via Mercedes"  wrote:


Take a mini vacation from the winter. It's supposed to be nice here for
the next 6 days or so. Dry and warm up to 78 so it sounds like a great time
for a Q down here this Sat. Bring a tent and camp out. We can do a
campfire, roast marshmallows and sit around and try and empty the keg.
Whats not to like.

Be there or be square as they used to say. I don't get it but I'm sure
someone can enlighten me on Sat, or at least try.

Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:


So, Fly out to FL Q tomorrow


OK Don via Mercedes 

January 10, 2017 at 5:28 PM
We are forecast to be iced in this weekend, from Fri am on - won't be
doing
any flying.

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 7:46 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <


Curley McLain 
January 10, 2017 at 7:46 AM
You ridin' da dog to da FL Q?

Or flying in the company jet on the way to the next cruise?


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 10, 2017 at 7:24 AM
I forgot to mention I am out of town for a company meeting all week. We
are at the Whitehall in downtown Houston.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Out of town

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Take lots of pix & post them on photobucket  etc.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
2005 E320 4 matic
Wickford RI

On Jan 11, 2017 9:17 AM, "MG via Mercedes"  wrote:

> Take a mini vacation from the winter. It's supposed to be nice here for
> the next 6 days or so. Dry and warm up to 78 so it sounds like a great time
> for a Q down here this Sat. Bring a tent and camp out. We can do a
> campfire, roast marshmallows and sit around and try and empty the keg.
> Whats not to like.
>
> Be there or be square as they used to say. I don't get it but I'm sure
> someone can enlighten me on Sat, or at least try.
>
> Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> So, Fly out to FL Q tomorrow
>>
>>
>> OK Don via Mercedes 
>>> January 10, 2017 at 5:28 PM
>>> We are forecast to be iced in this weekend, from Fri am on - won't be
>>> doing
>>> any flying.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 7:46 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>>>
>>>
>>> Curley McLain 
>>> January 10, 2017 at 7:46 AM
>>> You ridin' da dog to da FL Q?
>>>
>>> Or flying in the company jet on the way to the next cruise?
>>>
>>>
>>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>> January 10, 2017 at 7:24 AM
>>> I forgot to mention I am out of town for a company meeting all week. We
>>> are at the Whitehall in downtown Houston.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Alternators

[MG via Mercedes]

The alternator I got is an AL69X. 80 amp and slightly larger then 
the original. You also sometimes have to change the pulley around 
from your original alternator. This is on the 617 engines.


Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

YMMV


Fred Moir.
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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[MG via Mercedes]

It is a Bosch which is what Mercedes uses. I forget what model it 
was originally on. It is a bit bigger in size also but does fit. 
The one thing that you do have to do is change the ends of the 
original alt wires. I also installed a much larger main cable 
straight to the battery from the alt.


Kyle Arola via Mercedes wrote:

Wow, 55 to 80 is a big jump!  I imagine I will be making that jump in a bit
as well  Is this a MB alternator, or an aftermarket brand?

Kyle

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 9:00 AM, MG via Mercedes 
wrote:


Regular alt is 55 amp with a 65 amp available. I recently put an 80amp on
my TD that finally keeps up with the drain when I run the headlights,
wipers and AC all at the same time. In local traffic the 55 amp alt
couldn't keep up. Even at highway speed it was marginal.

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:


You don't drive it very far though. Cold starting takes amps out of your
battery, the 123 has a relatively small (70a?) alternator. It takes time
and revs to put the amps you took out back in. A battery minder plugged in
during these cold times will help the battery stay charged up.
-Curt


  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  Cc: Andrew
Strasfogel 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 5:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
   Balogna.  I drive this car EVERY day.

The simplest explanation is usually the answer.  Gonna test my Diehard.

What does NAPA sell?

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Well, when you buy die-Easy crap batteries in place of real batteries what

do you expect?

Did the guy adjust the valves right?  Are the clearances right at current
temp?

If your engine/starting system was in good shape it would not need a
heater at moderate temps like you have.

You probably need a new cord for the heater, or it needs to be plugged in
to the heater.

Check the GP resistance

Check that each GP is getting power and the relay is working

Air, fuel, fire/compression.  You need all three for internal combustion.

Valves not adjusted = low compression = no fire

<5 working GPs = no fire

air leak= no fuel

Plugged intake= no air

I was in a home despot and saw they had group 49 batteries on the shelf.
$119  I'm thinking that is the best deal around.

If you insist on overpaying for batteries, at least buy and interstate,
You WILL get a good battery for you money.  you pay 50% more for the
die-easy and get 50% less battery for an application that needs 100 to
150%
battery.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 


January 10, 2017 at 9:56 AM
I broke down and got a jump-start this morning. It really needed to
crank
and the battery wasn't up to the job. No heat in the engine, so the
block
heater is inoperative. I tried the light bulb trick, with no luck. Now
the
question remains, what is my problem? The system glowed perfectly and
the
relay is good. Could it be glow plugs? I just had a valve adjustment so
that's not it. My instinct says it's the DieHard battery again. I've had
to
replace this roughly every 18 months.

On Jan 10, 2017 9:26 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
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Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
January 10, 2017 at 8:25 AM
I did that with the block heater in the ASV trail groomer the snowmobile
club has. We weren't sure it was working so I put the Kill-A-Watt on it,
sure enough it was drawing 800 watts. That machine is terrible to start
in
the cold, the block heater is pretty much required.
-Curt

From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
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Cc: Jim Cathey 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel



On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working.  If it's
quiet
outside.  Otherwise, ammeter/wattmeter.  Kill-A-Watt is highly
recommended,
and fairly cheap.  Dozens of uses!

-- Jim
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Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
January 10, 2017 at 12:51 AM


On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working. If it's quiet
outside. Otherwise, 

[MBZ] Alternators

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

YMMV


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
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Alternators.pdf
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[MBZ] Files from my archive

[OK Don via Mercedes]

These might be of interest to some - -

https://1drv.ms/f/s!Aq8Oa078p_Lje1UZ0aJteQ7etWc

-- 
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I found Dave's list and stuck it on OneDrive:

https://1drv.ms/f/s!Aq8Oa078p_LjgQGp_8GpYAO2cH39


On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I recall having Dave Meiman's list of alternators, but I can't find it.
>
> Perhaps someone can post his URL.
>
>
> Craig
>
>


-- 
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 09:01:53 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Bosch, same body as the original. looks and fits the same on the
> outside.
> 
> > Kyle Arola via Mercedes 
> > January 11, 2017 at 8:38 AM
> > Wow, 55 to 80 is a big jump! I imagine I will be making that jump in
> > a bit as well Is this a MB alternator, or an aftermarket brand?

I recall having Dave Meiman's list of alternators, but I can't find it.

Perhaps someone can post his URL.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Shouldn't have to go under although the turbo might be kind of in the way, not 
a problem on a 240D...

-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 11:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
   
Thanks -  I will crawl under and inspect.
On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Did you look at the cord, thats usually the cause of a non-working block 
heater. On my '83 240D it was really obvious, the wire was all chewed at the 
connector into the block heater. A new cable was cheap and easy to replace.
-Curt

      From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 10:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

Car started right up yesterday afternoon with temperature at 36 deg.
Battery is fine, glow plugs are fine.  Only problem is an inoperative block
heater.  Thanks to all for the good advice.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Bosch, same body as the original. looks and fits the same on the outside.
>
> Kyle Arola via Mercedes 
>> January 11, 2017 at 8:38 AM
>> Wow, 55 to 80 is a big jump! I imagine I will be making that jump in a bit
>> as well Is this a MB alternator, or an aftermarket brand?
>>
>> Kyle
>>
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Thanks -  I will crawl under and inspect.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Did you look at the cord, thats usually the cause of a non-working block
> heater. On my '83 240D it was really obvious, the wire was all chewed at
> the connector into the block heater. A new cable was cheap and easy to
> replace.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
>  Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 10:51 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
>
> Car started right up yesterday afternoon with temperature at 36 deg.
> Battery is fine, glow plugs are fine.  Only problem is an inoperative block
> heater.  Thanks to all for the good advice.
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Bosch, same body as the original. looks and fits the same on the outside.
> >
> > Kyle Arola via Mercedes 
> >> January 11, 2017 at 8:38 AM
> >> Wow, 55 to 80 is a big jump! I imagine I will be making that jump in a
> bit
> >> as well Is this a MB alternator, or an aftermarket brand?
> >>
> >> Kyle
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Did you look at the cord, thats usually the cause of a non-working block 
heater. On my '83 240D it was really obvious, the wire was all chewed at the 
connector into the block heater. A new cable was cheap and easy to replace.
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 10:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
   
Car started right up yesterday afternoon with temperature at 36 deg.
Battery is fine, glow plugs are fine.  Only problem is an inoperative block
heater.  Thanks to all for the good advice.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Bosch, same body as the original. looks and fits the same on the outside.
>
> Kyle Arola via Mercedes 
>> January 11, 2017 at 8:38 AM
>> Wow, 55 to 80 is a big jump! I imagine I will be making that jump in a bit
>> as well Is this a MB alternator, or an aftermarket brand?
>>
>> Kyle
>>
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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

Glad you got it working cause you ain't getting Bella back! NO way NO how!

Kyle

On Jan 11, 2017 10:51 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Car started right up yesterday afternoon with temperature at 36 deg.
> Battery is fine, glow plugs are fine.  Only problem is an inoperative block
> heater.  Thanks to all for the good advice.
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Bosch, same body as the original. looks and fits the same on the outside.
> >
> > Kyle Arola via Mercedes 
> >> January 11, 2017 at 8:38 AM
> >> Wow, 55 to 80 is a big jump! I imagine I will be making that jump in a
> bit
> >> as well Is this a MB alternator, or an aftermarket brand?
> >>
> >> Kyle
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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Car started right up yesterday afternoon with temperature at 36 deg.
Battery is fine, glow plugs are fine.  Only problem is an inoperative block
heater.  Thanks to all for the good advice.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Bosch, same body as the original. looks and fits the same on the outside.
>
> Kyle Arola via Mercedes 
>> January 11, 2017 at 8:38 AM
>> Wow, 55 to 80 is a big jump! I imagine I will be making that jump in a bit
>> as well Is this a MB alternator, or an aftermarket brand?
>>
>> Kyle
>>
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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Bosch, same body as the original. looks and fits the same on the outside.


Kyle Arola via Mercedes 
January 11, 2017 at 8:38 AM
Wow, 55 to 80 is a big jump! I imagine I will be making that jump in a bit
as well Is this a MB alternator, or an aftermarket brand?

Kyle


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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

Wow, 55 to 80 is a big jump!  I imagine I will be making that jump in a bit
as well  Is this a MB alternator, or an aftermarket brand?

Kyle

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 9:00 AM, MG via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Regular alt is 55 amp with a 65 amp available. I recently put an 80amp on
> my TD that finally keeps up with the drain when I run the headlights,
> wipers and AC all at the same time. In local traffic the 55 amp alt
> couldn't keep up. Even at highway speed it was marginal.
>
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> You don't drive it very far though. Cold starting takes amps out of your
>> battery, the 123 has a relatively small (70a?) alternator. It takes time
>> and revs to put the amps you took out back in. A battery minder plugged in
>> during these cold times will help the battery stay charged up.
>> -Curt
>>
>>
>>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  To: Mercedes Discussion List  Cc: Andrew
>> Strasfogel 
>>  Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 5:21 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
>>Balogna.  I drive this car EVERY day.
>>
>> The simplest explanation is usually the answer.  Gonna test my Diehard.
>>
>> What does NAPA sell?
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well, when you buy die-Easy crap batteries in place of real batteries what
>>> do you expect?
>>>
>>> Did the guy adjust the valves right?  Are the clearances right at current
>>> temp?
>>>
>>> If your engine/starting system was in good shape it would not need a
>>> heater at moderate temps like you have.
>>>
>>> You probably need a new cord for the heater, or it needs to be plugged in
>>> to the heater.
>>>
>>> Check the GP resistance
>>>
>>> Check that each GP is getting power and the relay is working
>>>
>>> Air, fuel, fire/compression.  You need all three for internal combustion.
>>>
>>> Valves not adjusted = low compression = no fire
>>>
>>> <5 working GPs = no fire
>>>
>>> air leak= no fuel
>>>
>>> Plugged intake= no air
>>>
>>> I was in a home despot and saw they had group 49 batteries on the shelf.
>>> $119  I'm thinking that is the best deal around.
>>>
>>> If you insist on overpaying for batteries, at least buy and interstate,
>>> You WILL get a good battery for you money.  you pay 50% more for the
>>> die-easy and get 50% less battery for an application that needs 100 to
>>> 150%
>>> battery.
>>>
>>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>
 January 10, 2017 at 9:56 AM
 I broke down and got a jump-start this morning. It really needed to
 crank
 and the battery wasn't up to the job. No heat in the engine, so the
 block
 heater is inoperative. I tried the light bulb trick, with no luck. Now
 the
 question remains, what is my problem? The system glowed perfectly and
 the
 relay is good. Could it be glow plugs? I just had a valve adjustment so
 that's not it. My instinct says it's the DieHard battery again. I've had
 to
 replace this roughly every 18 months.

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 Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 January 10, 2017 at 8:25 AM
 I did that with the block heater in the ASV trail groomer the snowmobile
 club has. We weren't sure it was working so I put the Kill-A-Watt on it,
 sure enough it was drawing 800 watts. That machine is terrible to start
 in
 the cold, the block heater is pretty much required.
 -Curt

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 Cc: Jim Cathey 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel



 On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working.  If it's
 quiet
 outside.  Otherwise, ammeter/wattmeter.  Kill-A-Watt is highly
 recommended,
 and fairly cheap.  Dozens of uses!

 -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Out of town

[MG via Mercedes]

Take a mini vacation from the winter. It's supposed to be nice 
here for the next 6 days or so. Dry and warm up to 78 so it 
sounds like a great time for a Q down here this Sat. Bring a tent 
and camp out. We can do a campfire, roast marshmallows and sit 
around and try and empty the keg. Whats not to like.


Be there or be square as they used to say. I don't get it but I'm 
sure someone can enlighten me on Sat, or at least try.


Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

So, Fly out to FL Q tomorrow



OK Don via Mercedes 
January 10, 2017 at 5:28 PM
We are forecast to be iced in this weekend, from Fri am on - won't be 
doing

any flying.

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 7:46 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <


Curley McLain 
January 10, 2017 at 7:46 AM
You ridin' da dog to da FL Q?

Or flying in the company jet on the way to the next cruise?


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 10, 2017 at 7:24 AM
I forgot to mention I am out of town for a company meeting all week. 
We are at the Whitehall in downtown Houston.


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[MG via Mercedes]

Regular alt is 55 amp with a 65 amp available. I recently put an 
80amp on my TD that finally keeps up with the drain when I run 
the headlights, wipers and AC all at the same time. In local 
traffic the 55 amp alt couldn't keep up. Even at highway speed it 
was marginal.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

You don't drive it very far though. Cold starting takes amps out of your 
battery, the 123 has a relatively small (70a?) alternator. It takes time and 
revs to put the amps you took out back in. A battery minder plugged in during 
these cold times will help the battery stay charged up.
-Curt


  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 

 Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 5:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
   
Balogna.  I drive this car EVERY day.


The simplest explanation is usually the answer.  Gonna test my Diehard.

What does NAPA sell?

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Well, when you buy die-Easy crap batteries in place of real batteries what
do you expect?

Did the guy adjust the valves right?  Are the clearances right at current
temp?

If your engine/starting system was in good shape it would not need a
heater at moderate temps like you have.

You probably need a new cord for the heater, or it needs to be plugged in
to the heater.

Check the GP resistance

Check that each GP is getting power and the relay is working

Air, fuel, fire/compression.  You need all three for internal combustion.

Valves not adjusted = low compression = no fire

<5 working GPs = no fire

air leak= no fuel

Plugged intake= no air

I was in a home despot and saw they had group 49 batteries on the shelf.
$119  I'm thinking that is the best deal around.

If you insist on overpaying for batteries, at least buy and interstate,
You WILL get a good battery for you money.  you pay 50% more for the
die-easy and get 50% less battery for an application that needs 100 to 150%
battery.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 

January 10, 2017 at 9:56 AM
I broke down and got a jump-start this morning. It really needed to crank
and the battery wasn't up to the job. No heat in the engine, so the block
heater is inoperative. I tried the light bulb trick, with no luck. Now the
question remains, what is my problem? The system glowed perfectly and the
relay is good. Could it be glow plugs? I just had a valve adjustment so
that's not it. My instinct says it's the DieHard battery again. I've had
to
replace this roughly every 18 months.

On Jan 10, 2017 9:26 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
January 10, 2017 at 8:25 AM
I did that with the block heater in the ASV trail groomer the snowmobile
club has. We weren't sure it was working so I put the Kill-A-Watt on it,
sure enough it was drawing 800 watts. That machine is terrible to start in
the cold, the block heater is pretty much required.
-Curt

From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
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Cc: Jim Cathey 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel



On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working.  If it's quiet
outside.  Otherwise, ammeter/wattmeter.  Kill-A-Watt is highly
recommended,
and fairly cheap.  Dozens of uses!

-- Jim
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Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
January 10, 2017 at 12:51 AM


On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working. If it's quiet
outside. Otherwise, ammeter/wattmeter. Kill-A-Watt is highly recommended,
and fairly cheap. Dozens of uses!

-- Jim
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Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
January 9, 2017 at 1:01 PM
I wonder if my W123 300TD block heater is broke

Had to plug it in to start Sat. night (18 deg.) but then it would not
start
Sunday although