Re: [MBZ] OM352 LA

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I didn't got far enough to see the fee, but send them a sad letter from 
the non-profit and maybe they will let you in free.  If not $50 is way 
cheaper than paying a truck stealer to work on it.


If you get the MB number or not, contact the CC with the engine number, 
and i'll bet they can come up the the PN and a price in a week or so.



Curt Raymond 
January 10, 2018 at 8:25 PM
Sadly to download requires a signup and $50 membership. Lots of other 
sites promise the manuals for free but seem like a scam.


I've got 2 projects for this engine this summer, it needs the valves 
set and it needs an new exhaust manifold. The latter we've known about 
for years but its recently gotten much worse. Apparently Pisten Bully 
can actually come up with the real thing for just over $1000. They're 
going to get us an MB number, maybe we can find a used one.


-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OM352 LA

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 02:25:41 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Sadly to download requires a signup and $50 membership. Lots of other
> sites promise the manuals for free but seem like a scam.

I have run across those sites in my looking for manuals for our Kenworth.
Frustrating.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OM352 LA

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curt wrote:

> ... and it needs an new exhaust manifold. The latter
> we've known about for years but its recently gotten much worse.
> Apparently Pisten Bully can actually come up with the real thing
> for just over $1000.

Is it repairable?  Cast iron can be welded - with care.
Experience is good too.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 737 follies

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Classic example of the aviation rule that says:

"All accidents start and end on the ground"

Failure to train, failure to plan for what "could happen".

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 6:57 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The guys I trusted all retired by 1990 or so... The WWII veteran bomber
> pilots.   I could always tell when I had one (or 2) of them up front.
>
> Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>> January 10, 2018 at 7:32 PM
>> I will NEVER fly Royal Air Maroc (and some other airlines)!
>>
>> It seems (even to one as inexperienced as me) obvious that the first
>> priority is to keep the bird in the air! Keep it flying until you can
>> safely land.
>>
>> Do airline pilots receive training/evaluation for handling high stress
>> situations?
>>
>> Greg
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OM352 LA

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Sadly to download requires a signup and $50 membership. Lots of other sites 
promise the manuals for free but seem like a scam.

I've got 2 projects for this engine this summer, it needs the valves set and it 
needs an new exhaust manifold. The latter we've known about for years but its 
recently gotten much worse. Apparently Pisten Bully can actually come up with 
the real thing for just over $1000. They're going to get us an MB number, maybe 
we can find a used one.

-Curt
 

On Monday, January 8, 2018, 10:44:55 AM EST, Curley McLain 
<126die...@gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 https://www.barringtondieselclub.co.za/mercedes/352.html

Manuals are there to download.  Just scroll down


   Curt Raymond via Mercedes  January 8, 2018 at 8:00 AM  Does anybody have 
access to manuals for big Mercedes engines? The Pisten Bully has an OM352 LA 
straight 6. Last night it occurred to me to ask if anybody had ever set the 
valves, in nearly 800 hours of run time it would appear the answer is no...
The Wikipedia article gives specs which suggests they ought to be adjusted. At 
the next service we plan to give it a try...

Curt


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 737 follies

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The guys I trusted all retired by 1990 or so... The WWII veteran bomber 
pilots.   I could always tell when I had one (or 2) of them up front.



Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
January 10, 2018 at 7:32 PM
I will NEVER fly Royal Air Maroc (and some other airlines)!

It seems (even to one as inexperienced as me) obvious that the first 
priority is to keep the bird in the air! Keep it flying until you can 
safely land.


Do airline pilots receive training/evaluation for handling high stress 
situations?


Greg


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Re: [MBZ] OT: 737 follies

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On January 10, 2018 at 8:32 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I will NEVER fly Royal Air Maroc (and some other airlines)!
> 
> It seems (even to one as inexperienced as me) obvious that the first priority 
> is to keep the bird in the air! Keep it flying until you can safely land.

I've been reading Sylvia's favorites tonight.
https://fearoflanding.com/fun-stuff/my-favourite-posts-from-2006-to-2017/

I just read an interesting one about secure cockpits. 
What do you do when the Captain leaves the cockpit and a hijacker uses the 
secure cockpit door to lock the Captain out?

https://fearoflanding.com/accidents/accident-reports/hijack-by-the-pilot-ethiopia-airlines/

 One passenger, Francesco Cuomo, told the Italian news agency ANSA that he 
and other passengers woke up shortly after midnight when the plane started to 
“bounce.”

“The pilot was threatening (the hijacker) to open the cockpit door and 
tried to knock it down without succeeding,” said Cuomo, a 25-year-old economist 
from Italy.

“At this point, a message was transmitted by the loudspeakers in poor 
English, but the threat to crash the airplane was clearly understood,” he added.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 737 follies

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I will NEVER fly Royal Air Maroc (and some other airlines)!

It seems (even to one as inexperienced as me) obvious that the first priority 
is to keep the bird in the air! Keep it flying until you can safely land.

Do airline pilots receive training/evaluation for handling high stress 
situations? 

Greg

-Original Message-
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Subject: [MBZ] OT: 737 follies

https://fearoflanding.com/accidents/accident-reports/a-unique-occurrence-turning-an-incident-into-a-crisis/

21:46:14 The aircraft overflies Haarlem at an altitude of 348 feet with an 
indicated airspeed of 165.5 knots.

Their route takes them straight past a 479-foot tower which was located on the 
outskirts of Haarlem. They then proceed towards Amsterdam’s western harbour 
area, flying near obstacles up to 587 feet. They are flying 200' below the 
tallest buildings in their area.


When the flight crew was asked if they received training for incidents like 
this they replied that an incident like this could not be trained and for that 
reason they did not receive such training.

The investigation revealed that the relevant Atlas Blue and Royal Air Maroc 
manuals contained all information needed for situations just like this serious 
incident. The training manuals contained general guidance needed to address the 
incident in a structured manner and the QRH and FCOM contained all relevant 
procedures that would have been needed to address the actual damage.

Despite this the flight crew was convinced that they had encountered a 
unique occurrence.

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[MBZ] OT: 737 follies

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

https://fearoflanding.com/accidents/accident-reports/a-unique-occurrence-turning-an-incident-into-a-crisis/

21:46:14 The aircraft overflies Haarlem at an altitude of 348 feet with an 
indicated airspeed of 165.5 knots.

Their route takes them straight past a 479-foot tower which was located on the 
outskirts of Haarlem. They then proceed towards Amsterdam’s western harbour 
area, flying near obstacles up to 587 feet. They are flying 200' below the 
tallest buildings in their area.


When the flight crew was asked if they received training for incidents like 
this they replied that an incident like this could not be trained and for that 
reason they did not receive such training.

The investigation revealed that the relevant Atlas Blue and Royal Air Maroc 
manuals contained all information needed for situations just like this serious 
incident. The training manuals contained general guidance needed to address the 
incident in a structured manner and the QRH and FCOM contained all relevant 
procedures that would have been needed to address the actual damage.

Despite this the flight crew was convinced that they had encountered a 
unique occurrence.

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Re: [MBZ] The Finny for Poos is still available

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yep, my parents bought it and passed it to me. My dad isn't a great one for 
maintenance so it'd have gotten the oil changed "sometimes" before I got it. I 
was religious about 3,000 mile oil changes even though the book said (I think) 
5,000. I did 10w40 in the summer and 5w30 in the winter although I always used 
the cheapest oil I could get. It leaked less with the thicker oil in the 
summer...
-Curt
 

On Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 5:17:57 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Did you get it new? If not, who knows what sort of life it had before 
you got it. Some folks never change oil.

RB

On 10/01/2018 4:06 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> I was referring to some off-list knowledge. Dwight and I both had '88 GMC 
> S15s. Mine had the little 2.8L, his had the 4.3L. I was apparently lucky that 
> mine went 150,000 miles, I guess most of them didn't make it that far.
>
> -Curt
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] The Finny for Poos is still available

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Did you get it new? If not, who knows what sort of life it had before 
you got it. Some folks never change oil.


RB

On 10/01/2018 4:06 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I was referring to some off-list knowledge. Dwight and I both had '88 GMC S15s. 
Mine had the little 2.8L, his had the 4.3L. I was apparently lucky that mine 
went 150,000 miles, I guess most of them didn't make it that far.

-Curt








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Re: [MBZ] The Finny for Poos is still available

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I was referring to some off-list knowledge. Dwight and I both had '88 GMC S15s. 
Mine had the little 2.8L, his had the 4.3L. I was apparently lucky that mine 
went 150,000 miles, I guess most of them didn't make it that far.

-Curt





On Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 5:02:32 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





its in the post.  1950 216 c.i flathead.

> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> January 10, 2018 at 10:35 AM

> Which engine did your GMC have? Mine had the 2.8l v6, 93hp on a good 
> day. It was good practice for a 240D, a bit faster but not much.
> -Curt
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 11:30:01 AM EST, Dwight Giles via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
> Yes many if us have started out on slow American iron- 3500 pounds plus.
> Six cylinder.
> Like my 50 Dodge Pick up. 217 cu inch flat head six with fluid drive. My
> 124 OM602 2.5t was a rocket  by comparison.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI

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Re: [MBZ] The Finny for Poos is still available

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

its in the post.  1950 216 c.i flathead.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
January 10, 2018 at 10:35 AM
Which engine did your GMC have? Mine had the 2.8l v6, 93hp on a good 
day. It was good practice for a 240D, a bit faster but not much.

-Curt


On Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 11:30:01 AM EST, Dwight Giles via 
Mercedes  wrote:


Yes many if us have started out on slow American iron- 3500 pounds plus.
Six cylinder.
Like my 50 Dodge Pick up. 217 cu inch flat head six with fluid drive. My
124 OM602 2.5t was a rocket  by comparison.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


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Re: [MBZ] LED bulbs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I haven't had any difficulty with LED bulbs in the home at all. That said the 
oldest ones I have (2-3 years now I guess) are real Cree branded bulbs. We've 
got a bunch of Sylvannia now which were much cheaper but still seem good. The 
no-name CFLs I bought were all garbage, they made noise, weren't as bright as 
they claimed they'd be and some flickered...
-Curt
 

On Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 4:59:01 PM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 My experience with household LED bulbs is that the power supplies or 
circuitry inside them fails before the light part degrades. The bulbs 
might "good" for thousands of hours but the electronics are not.  That 
is probably not an issue with automotive bulbs, although they might have 
some kind of embedded circuitry in them?

--FT


On 1/10/18 12:03 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> Your son is correct.  In addition to a slow falloff of the blue LED's
> photon emission with use, the fluorescent phosphors that are part of all
> white LED's fade with use, just like old fluorescents tubes whose phosphors
> are excited by high-intensity ultraviolet that comes from an electric arc
> through a low-pressure mercury vapor atmosphere.  I believe it is a fairly
> linear process.  IIRC, end-of-life for LED's and fluorescents is defined as
> 50% or thereabouts.
>
> LED's just last a lot longer than gas-discharge or incandescent lamps.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] The Finny for Poos is still available

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yeah, I drove a 47 shovey 1.5 ton truck with its 4th and 5th engines 
early on.  First in the fields long before a driver's license, then on 
the road later.  When I got the DL, Then I drove it  a lot and the F500 
with 14' refer box a few times, including when it blew out a spark 
plug.   The 65 impala (283) with unsynchro first gear was a rocket 
compared to the old trucks.



Dwight Giles 
January 10, 2018 at 10:29 AM
Yes many if us have started out on slow American iron- 3500 pounds 
plus. Six cylinder.
Like my 50 Dodge Pick up. 217 cu inch flat head six with fluid drive. 
My 124 OM602 2.5t was a rocket  by comparison.


Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI



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Re: [MBZ] LED bulbs

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

My experience with household LED bulbs is that the power supplies or 
circuitry inside them fails before the light part degrades. The bulbs 
might "good" for thousands of hours but the electronics are not.  That 
is probably not an issue with automotive bulbs, although they might have 
some kind of embedded circuitry in them?


--FT


On 1/10/18 12:03 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

Your son is correct.  In addition to a slow falloff of the blue LED's
photon emission with use, the fluorescent phosphors that are part of all
white LED's fade with use, just like old fluorescents tubes whose phosphors
are excited by high-intensity ultraviolet that comes from an electric arc
through a low-pressure mercury vapor atmosphere.  I believe it is a fairly
linear process.  IIRC, end-of-life for LED's and fluorescents is defined as
50% or thereabouts.

LED's just last a lot longer than gas-discharge or incandescent lamps.

-- Jim
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[MBZ] Sprinting

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Ten year old fleet vans with V6 diesels:

https://www.copart.com/lot/48407117
https://www.copart.com/lot/47634207
https://www.copart.com/lot/50124127
https://www.copart.com/lot/50124617
https://www.copart.com/lot/50228877

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Re: [MBZ] LED bulbs

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Randy wrote:

> Not sure if it applies to automotive bulbs, but my architect son
> advises that over time, LED bulbs fade away. His firm had a
> presentation by some manufacturer or vendor of lighting and were
> advised that LED bulbs get less bright over time.

Correct for white LEDs.  Those are much like a fluorescent in
that the light energy generated is used to make phosphor "glow".
The phosphor "wears out" over time.

Red, green, yellow LEDs do not have this problem.  They generate
the light we see directly.

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[MBZ] Subject: Re: Subject: Re: 49 Battery

[Rdeafboy via Mercedes]

I took out my battery tray out this past summer and "miracle" painted it ...no 
rust on it nor underneath it.  A few years ago a squirrel place a walnut over 
the drain hole which caused problems inside .. So I'm always checking there.  
 
BTW  Never thought Home Depot would sell batteries.  Thanx for all the info 
guys !!
 
Bob
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Florida gullwing

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Shazam!  It's an Autozam!

--FT


On 1/10/18 1:23 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-mazda-az-1-4/

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[MBZ] OT: Florida gullwing

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-mazda-az-1-4/

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Re: [MBZ] The Finny for Poos is still available

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I have been there too. My father was a fan of smaller engines and manual 
transmissions. I learned to drive on a full size pickup with an inline 6 
and 3 on the tree.
Passing on 2 lane highways meant planning ahead. Fortunately, the 
highway that I drove most often was something I knew well so I knew 
where the potential passing areas were.
I don't consider my 115 300D a real dog in city traffic and it will 
cruise down the highway at a pretty good pace, but it was truly not 
built for passing on 2 lane highways.


RB

On 10/01/2018 10:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Which engine did your GMC have? Mine had the 2.8l v6, 93hp on a good day. It 
was good practice for a 240D, a bit faster but not much.
-Curt
  


 On Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 11:30:01 AM EST, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 wrote:
  
  Yes many if us have started out on slow American iron- 3500 pounds plus.

Six cylinder.
Like my 50 Dodge Pick up. 217 cu inch flat head six with fluid drive. My
124 OM602 2.5t was a rocket  by comparison.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 10, 2018 9:53 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:


Indeed!  A 190Dc, 200D, 220D or 240D automatic teaches the driver to Plan
Ahead!

A 67 Chevelle SS396 teaches the driver to have a steady foot or a fat
wallet (at least until you get to a gas station)

Dwight Giles via Mercedes 

January 10, 2018 at 7:48 AM
I too commuted in an automatic 240D for a number of years. 70 miles each
way mostly on I95. I called it a good middle lane car. What helped was
remembering my cycling behaviors 'gravity is your friend"

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


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Re: [MBZ] The Finny for Poos is still available

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Mine had the 4.3l v6. Not bad even with the 4wd. Kind of wish I had kept it
as it wasn't rusty. Had been in TN all its life till I brought it to RI.
Karen used it as a dog hauler for her golden retriever rescue organization.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 10, 2018 11:35 AM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

> Which engine did your GMC have? Mine had the 2.8l v6, 93hp on a good day.
> It was good practice for a 240D, a bit faster but not much.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 11:30:01 AM EST, Dwight Giles via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
>
> Yes many if us have started out on slow American iron- 3500 pounds plus.
> Six cylinder.
> Like my 50 Dodge Pick up. 217 cu inch flat head six with fluid drive. My
> 124 OM602 2.5t was a rocket  by comparison.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Jan 10, 2018 9:53 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Indeed!  A 190Dc, 200D, 220D or 240D automatic teaches the driver to Plan
> > Ahead!
> >
> > A 67 Chevelle SS396 teaches the driver to have a steady foot or a fat
> > wallet (at least until you get to a gas station)
> >
> > Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
> >> January 10, 2018 at 7:48 AM
> >> I too commuted in an automatic 240D for a number of years. 70 miles each
> >> way mostly on I95. I called it a good middle lane car. What helped was
> >> remembering my cycling behaviors 'gravity is your friend"
> >>
> >> Dwight Giles Jr.
> >> Wickford RI
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] The Finny for Poos is still available

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I don't remember that, but the track is rather narrow, so there were a lot
of ground loops.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 7:20 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Didn't the Luscombe have a habit of collapsing the landing gear if you
> landed a little too hard, or am I thinking of another plane of that era.?
> Gerry
> ~
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] The Finny for Poos is still available

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Which engine did your GMC have? Mine had the 2.8l v6, 93hp on a good day. It 
was good practice for a 240D, a bit faster but not much.
-Curt
 

On Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 11:30:01 AM EST, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Yes many if us have started out on slow American iron- 3500 pounds plus.
Six cylinder.
Like my 50 Dodge Pick up. 217 cu inch flat head six with fluid drive. My
124 OM602 2.5t was a rocket  by comparison.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 10, 2018 9:53 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Indeed!  A 190Dc, 200D, 220D or 240D automatic teaches the driver to Plan
> Ahead!
>
> A 67 Chevelle SS396 teaches the driver to have a steady foot or a fat
> wallet (at least until you get to a gas station)
>
> Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>> January 10, 2018 at 7:48 AM
>> I too commuted in an automatic 240D for a number of years. 70 miles each
>> way mostly on I95. I called it a good middle lane car. What helped was
>> remembering my cycling behaviors 'gravity is your friend"
>>
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>>
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Re: [MBZ] The Finny for Poos is still available

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes many if us have started out on slow American iron- 3500 pounds plus.
Six cylinder.
Like my 50 Dodge Pick up. 217 cu inch flat head six with fluid drive. My
124 OM602 2.5t was a rocket  by comparison.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 10, 2018 9:53 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Indeed!  A 190Dc, 200D, 220D or 240D automatic teaches the driver to Plan
> Ahead!
>
> A 67 Chevelle SS396 teaches the driver to have a steady foot or a fat
> wallet (at least until you get to a gas station)
>
> Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>> January 10, 2018 at 7:48 AM
>> I too commuted in an automatic 240D for a number of years. 70 miles each
>> way mostly on I95. I called it a good middle lane car. What helped was
>> remembering my cycling behaviors 'gravity is your friend"
>>
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Project car for Gerry

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On January 10, 2018 at 9:58 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 7grand is a bit steep for a smashed up car.  If it was a straight-up 
> auction you could just buy it for cheepcheep and drive it as is as a fun 
> beater.


It is 'on approval' rather than a straight auction, but the $7100 came from 
buyers bidding on it in the week leading up to the sale. 

>  Anyway the driver does a hey y'all homahbeer n watchiss 
> and puts into insane mode or whatever it is, and floors it.

Ludicrous mode. Musk must have been a Mel Brooks fan. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk7VWcuVOf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_BYMorS0KY

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Re: [MBZ] Project car for Gerry

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

7grand is a bit steep for a smashed up car.  If it was a straight-up 
auction you could just buy it for cheepcheep and drive it as is as a fun 
beater.


I have a friend who is adamantly anti-car, either rides her bike 
everywhere or takes Uber.  A coupla months ago an Uber Tesla picked her 
up and she was chatting with the driver about the car. She knew only a 
bit about it, that it was electric, which sorta appealed to her greenie 
sensibilities.  Anyway the driver does a hey y'all homahbeer n watchiss 
and puts into insane mode or whatever it is, and floors it.  She got 
such a thrill from it she said at that moment she actually understood 
why some people are really into cars.  It did not turn her into a car 
person, but she developed this newfound appreciation for the whole 
deal.  She asked him to do it 2 more times, he readily agreed.


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On 1/10/18 9:40 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

He can fix this up and get rid of the Prius.
https://www.copart.com/lot/50974967

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Re: [MBZ] The Finny for Poos is still available

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Indeed!  A 190Dc, 200D, 220D or 240D automatic teaches the driver to 
Plan Ahead!


A 67 Chevelle SS396 teaches the driver to have a steady foot or a fat 
wallet (at least until you get to a gas station)



Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
January 10, 2018 at 7:48 AM
I too commuted in an automatic 240D for a number of years. 70 miles each
way mostly on I95. I called it a good middle lane car. What helped was
remembering my cycling behaviors 'gravity is your friend"

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


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[MBZ] Project car for Gerry

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

He can fix this up and get rid of the Prius. 
https://www.copart.com/lot/50974967

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: 49 Battery

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

 
> > > Bob wrote:
> > >  IS an AGM battery worth it?? 
> > 
> > I don't know.  Lots of people say good things about them.  But if
> > it is twice the price, I should get twice the life.  I'm not sure
> > it adds up.
> 
> Ever have a car rust out near the battery tray?
> That adds up in a hurry, and it's what a sealed battery is supposed to 
> prevent. 
> Mitch.
> ___
All of my recent group 49 batteries have vent tubes. I've never had a problem 
with rusted trays. The AGM batteries have vent tubes too.
About 2 months ago I bought an AGM from Advance Auto which was made in Korea 
and cost about $180. I didn't bother with the discount since I was in a hurry.
We'll see how it holds up. 

By coincidence there is a battery discussion going on at PTS (Prius Technical 
Stuff). Here is one members experience with AGM batteries:

"I bought a battery from the Toyota dealership 2 years ago for almost $300
> . It died and I am told it is a 12 month 12,000 mile battery."

prius_technical_st...@yahoogroups.com

Gerry





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Re: [MBZ] The Finny for Poos is still available

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I too commuted in an automatic 240D  for a number of years. 70 miles each
way mostly on I95. I called it a good middle lane car. What helped was
remembering my cycling behaviors 'gravity is your friend"

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 10, 2018 8:43 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I commuted various 240Ds for several years and never really had an issue.
> Once in awhile somebody would toot the horn but not often, they just deal
> with it. You won't get "driven over", they don't want to get their shiny
> SUV dirty...
> -Curt
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2018, 10:22:07 PM EST, tyee165 via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  But everyday traffic is fast these days so unless it is a garage queen to
> be polished on Sunday it needs to move right along
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
>  Original message From: Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2018-01-09  5:28 PM  (GMT-06:00) To:
> Mercedes Discussion List  Cc: Dwight Giles <
> dwight.gi...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Finny for Poos is still
> available
> And not a car you buy for speed anyway.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Jan 9, 2018 1:30 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
>
> > I think it's a lighter car than a W115 or W123 chassis - won't be as slow
> > as you think.
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 10:28 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 09/01/2018 7:25 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > >
> > >> This is the one I want, but I think the price is still a bit
> optimistic:
> > >>
> > >> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/1968-mercedes-200d-di
> > >> esel/6452342666.html
> > >>
> > >> I’m tempted to go look at it this week.  I’m thinking $2500-$2800,
> > maybe,
> > >> depending on where the rust is, or not.
> > >>
> > >> -D
> > >>
> > >> Isn't a 2 liter diesel going to be pretty anemic even with a manual
> > > transmission?
> > >
> > > RB
> > >
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> who
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> > for themselves."
> >
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> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] The Finny for Poos is still available

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I commuted various 240Ds for several years and never really had an issue. Once 
in awhile somebody would toot the horn but not often, they just deal with it. 
You won't get "driven over", they don't want to get their shiny SUV dirty...
-Curt
 

On Tuesday, January 9, 2018, 10:22:07 PM EST, tyee165 via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 But everyday traffic is fast these days so unless it is a garage queen to be 
polished on Sunday it needs to move right along


Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
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 Date: 2018-01-09  5:28 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List  Cc: Dwight Giles 
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Finny for Poos is still 
available 
And not a car you buy for speed anyway.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 9, 2018 1:30 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes"  wrote:

> I think it's a lighter car than a W115 or W123 chassis - won't be as slow
> as you think.
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 10:28 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > On 09/01/2018 7:25 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> This is the one I want, but I think the price is still a bit optimistic:
> >>
> >> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/1968-mercedes-200d-di
> >> esel/6452342666.html
> >>
> >> I’m tempted to go look at it this week.  I’m thinking $2500-$2800,
> maybe,
> >> depending on where the rust is, or not.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >> Isn't a 2 liter diesel going to be pretty anemic even with a manual
> > transmission?
> >
> > RB
> >
> >
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>
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> for themselves."
>
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Re: [MBZ] The Finny for Poos is still available

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

It is not a vergasser.  It will go up and down hills just fine.  It is a 
diesel.  It has torque.  They are tons of fun to drive!  No other car 
has ever been as much fun to drive as a 110/111.  They have similar 
acceleration times to a 240D automatic. If they are tweaked to 65 HP, 
then they accelerate a lot faster.



OK Don via Mercedes 
January 10, 2018 at 12:13 AM
I expect that it's geared such that it will be fine in town. Getting 
on the
freeway and keeping speed up hills might be an issue, but then there 
are no

hills in FL ???



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Re: [MBZ] The Finny for Poos is still available

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Didn't the Luscombe have a habit of collapsing the landing gear if you landed a 
little too hard, or am I thinking of another plane of that era.?
Gerry
~
OK Don wrote:

> Because the Luscombe 8E is mildly aerobatic!  Actually, you have "low and
> slow" for fun scenic touring (Luscombe, Breezy), enjoying the evening,
> etc., there is "high and fast" (Tailwind W10) for getting somewhere in a
> hurry or racing, and there is the abililty to haul a load (Cessna 182).
> Just like cars, no one aircraft fits all missions.
> 
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 12:10 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> > I don’t have the time, resources or space to do something that major.
> > Also, as stated previously, I’m a purist. It does nothing for me to repower
> > a vintage car.  I’ll leave that to the hotrodders.
> >
> > Ask Lt. Don why one of his airplane buddies would want to fly a Luscombe.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Jan 9, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just save the original so it could be put back in and find a bigger,
> > better motor! Not suggesting a SBC, but just a 3 liter diesel. Even
> > normally aspirated, it would have to be an improvement.
> > >
> > > RB
> > >
> > >> On 09/01/2018 11:41 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> I would not.  If it wasn’t installed at the factory (with the exception
> > of the AC, of course), it doesn’t belong.
> > >>
> > >> -D
> > >>
> > >>> On Jan 9, 2018, at 12:39 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> So, are you a purist in the sense that you would not consider swapping
> > in a later motor?
> > >>>
> > >>> RB
> > >>>
> >  On 09/01/2018 11:30 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> >  Absolutely.  However, I’m more into the looks than the performance.
> > And it has AC!
> > 
> >  -D
> > 
> > >> On Jan 9, 2018, at 11:28 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 09/01/2018 7:25 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> This is the one I want, but I think the price is still a bit
> > optimistic:
> > >>
> > >> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/1968-mercedes-200d-
> > diesel/6452342666.html
> > >>
> > >> I’m tempted to go look at it this week.  I’m thinking $2500-$2800,
> > maybe, depending on where the rust is, or not.
> > >>
> > >> -D
> > >>
> > > Isn't a 2 liter diesel going to be pretty anemic even with a manual
> > transmission?
> > >
> > > RB
> > >
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