date:20181117

The cheep engines crap out early too, resulting in huge bills, as used 
engines are somewhere between made of platinum and unobtainium.


Surely some of the neighborhood greenie weenies drive the likes of 
dahoe, subburpan, explurgeition etc.   They can't haul their 1.3 kids 
and 3 huge dawgs (and associated plunder) in a pryus.



clay monroe via Mercedes 
November 17, 2018 at 9:33 PM
Both djeeps have had issues

#1 boy had his mess the bed two years ago when it had big issues and 
stayed with the dealership for repairs of I recall not (two months 
after acquiring). There were some cooling troubles as well. Then a big 
wind grabbed hold of the driver door and tried to rip it off.


#2 boy also had cooling issues, as well as charging, steering, 
electrical, and other things not shared with me. Much to do with 
owners not having a clue how to keep older or most any car running 
unless you take it to a dealership. You know? The things are made of 
pure goodness and will do anything you want with no attention or care.



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[MBZ] Free Basing like Pryor

https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/d/1985-mercedes-300sd/6732085681.html

The crack pipe is blazing

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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

Salvage?
https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/d/1998-mercedes-benz-300-diesel/6730703947.html

Todd car:
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/d/2000-mercedes-benz-55-amglow/6751061496.html

430:
https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/d/2002-mercedes-benz-e430/6751300317.html

Tell her you're collecting SLs and this is a special collector's edition:
https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/d/have-2002-mercedes-sl500/6747290643.html

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Both djeeps have had issues

#1 boy had his mess the bed two years ago when it had big issues and stayed 
with the dealership for repairs of I recall not (two months after acquiring).  
There were some cooling troubles as well.  Then a big wind grabbed hold of the 
driver door and tried to rip it off. 

#2 boy also had cooling issues, as well as charging, steering, electrical, and 
other things not shared with me.  Much to do with owners not having a clue how 
to keep older or most any car running unless you take it to a dealership.  You 
know?  The things are made of pure goodness and will do anything you want with 
no attention or care.


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> On Nov 17, 2018, at 6:59 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Didn't one of the Jeeps already break down?
> My parents have a Cherokee and a Renegade. Bother are decent to drive and 
> pretty good offroad, neither is what I'd call super reliable or a good 
> long-term cheap to operate vehicle...
> -Curt
> 
>On Saturday, November 17, 2018, 9:40:09 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> I’m struggling to understand the logic here….
> 
> The last thing I would put my kids in for their driving safety would be a 
> Jeep.  Not only are they unsafe as heck, they’re far from the kind of vehicle 
> an inexperienced driver should be driving.
> 
> Or is she looking to do some litigation for mangled arms and legs when 
> they’re in an accident and it rolls over?
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 9:18 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Progeny are currently in jeeps
>> 
>> She is protecting their financial futures
>> 
>> clay monroe
>> redgh...@comcast.net
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

Eh, I know what you mean.  You have lost that battle before you begin.

-D


> On Nov 17, 2018, at 10:24 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> logic defies her at times.  marketing and opinions of her co-workers, rather 
> than critical reviews do sway her
> 
> 
> clay monroe
> redgh...@comcast.net
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 6:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’m struggling to understand the logic here….
>> 
>> The last thing I would put my kids in for their driving safety would be a 
>> Jeep.  Not only are they unsafe as heck, they’re far from the kind of 
>> vehicle an inexperienced driver should be driving.
>> 
>> Or is she looking to do some litigation for mangled arms and legs when 
>> they’re in an accident and it rolls over?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

 Dan sez:


>If you have to go Asian, go Nissan or Mazda.  


 Mazda. Okay. Nissan, not so much imho. They are merged with Renault, and I 
think Renault has the upper hand in that relationship. Kind of like Fiat 
Chrysler. 


I'd buy a W210, but that's me. I don't have to kiss SWMBO a$$. 
I'd consider a Crown Vic too. 

   Rick
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logic defies her at times.  marketing and opinions of her co-workers, rather 
than critical reviews do sway her


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> On Nov 17, 2018, at 6:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’m struggling to understand the logic here….
> 
> The last thing I would put my kids in for their driving safety would be a 
> Jeep.  Not only are they unsafe as heck, they’re far from the kind of vehicle 
> an inexperienced driver should be driving.
> 
> Or is she looking to do some litigation for mangled arms and legs when 
> they’re in an accident and it rolls over?
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 9:18 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Progeny are currently in jeeps
>> 
>> She is protecting their financial futures
>> 
>> clay monroe
>> redgh...@comcast.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

2018-11-17 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes

Yeah Korean luxury cars are laughable and while the w220 may have been of 
similar perceived quality, I seriously doubt that the kimchi kadillac was as 
safe.

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> On Nov 17, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Fugly!no wonder she doesn't like MB.   WHile they keep getting 
> uglier, they still are better than a current camry or early jap crp and 
> korean crp.
> 
>> clay monroe via Mercedes 
>> November 17, 2018 at 8:22 PM
>> SWMBA drove a precursor to the Genesis. It was of equal quality as the W220. 
>> Some more prastic where MB used pot metal, but leather and trim were near 
>> the same.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

 Didn't one of the Jeeps already break down?
My parents have a Cherokee and a Renegade. Bother are decent to drive and 
pretty good offroad, neither is what I'd call super reliable or a good 
long-term cheap to operate vehicle...
-Curt

On Saturday, November 17, 2018, 9:40:09 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I’m struggling to understand the logic here….

The last thing I would put my kids in for their driving safety would be a Jeep. 
 Not only are they unsafe as heck, they’re far from the kind of vehicle an 
inexperienced driver should be driving.

Or is she looking to do some litigation for mangled arms and legs when they’re 
in an accident and it rolls over?

-D



> On Nov 17, 2018, at 9:18 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Progeny are currently in jeeps
> 
> She is protecting their financial futures
> 
> clay monroe
> redgh...@comcast.net
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Rifles

 I suspect some of it is the "its old and needs to be replaced" mindset. 
Probably some of the "the government will give us money, we should spend it." 
mindset too.
When my dad shot the moose in '16 my buddy Ben asked "Did you have to make the 
ammo for that gun?" I asked "are there guns you don't make the ammo for?"
Ben shot a bear last year, he's got some new fangled thing with plastic tipped 
bullets. The bear ran off into the bush before it croaked. I suggested the 
11.5mm (just over .45 cal) black powder round dad shot the moose with would 
have dropped it where it stood...
-Curt

On Saturday, November 17, 2018, 7:38:01 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 If the Bushies are old enough to be any good, it's pretty much a direct 
replacement, one factory made AR15 for another. Some undesirable stuff was sold 
under the Bushmaster name after Freedom Group acquired it. Like the old 
Bushmasters, Sig is good but nothing exotic or special. 
If the cops want to be operators operating operationally, they're probably 
demanding shorter lighter more maneuverable carbines these days, maybe the old 
guns were 20" barrels and the new ones are 14.5 or 16", maybe with nice optical 
sights on them. 
Mitch. 

> On November 17, 2018 at 7:12 PM archer75--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Orlando is replacing Bushmaster rifles with Sig Sauer rifles for its police. 
> Any advantage there?
> Gerry
> 
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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

Fugly!no wonder she doesn't like MB.   WHile they keep getting 
uglier, they still are better than a current camry or early jap crp and 
korean crp.



clay monroe via Mercedes 
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SWMBA drove a precursor to the Genesis. It was of equal quality as the 
W220. Some more prastic where MB used pot metal, but leather and trim 
were near the same.




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She is protecting their financial futures by spending big bucks on jap crp?

She's ok with POSs, but not in the safest cars on earth, but wants to 
protect progeny?Makes no sensebut then she is female.   
Logic/sense need not apply.



clay monroe via Mercedes 
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Progeny are currently in jeeps

She is protecting their financial futures

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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

I’m struggling to understand the logic here….

The last thing I would put my kids in for their driving safety would be a Jeep. 
 Not only are they unsafe as heck, they’re far from the kind of vehicle an 
inexperienced driver should be driving.

Or is she looking to do some litigation for mangled arms and legs when they’re 
in an accident and it rolls over?

-D

> On Nov 17, 2018, at 9:18 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Progeny are currently in jeeps
> 
> She is protecting their financial futures
> 
> clay monroe
> redgh...@comcast.net
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

SWMBA drove a precursor to the Genesis.  It was of equal quality as the W220.  
Some more prastic where MB used pot metal, but leather and trim were near the 
same.



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> On Nov 17, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is either of those Korean kars a sonata?   elanta et al is crap.   Sonati  I 
> have seen seem to have earned the Korean Kaddylac moniker.Of course 
> Kaddylak is no icon of quality.
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> November 17, 2018 at 6:37 PM
>> Dude, I’m telling you. W210 wagon or sedan, the latest and best one you can 
>> find. Nothing to do but gas and go.
>> 
>> Oh, yeah - the 2002 needed a crankshaft position sensor this week. $27 and 
>> five minutes to replace. Other than paying to have the instrument cluster 
>> rebuilt when I bought the car because the pixels in the display were wonky 
>> ($110 from BBA Reman with a lifetime guarantee) I have not put dime one into 
>> the 2002 E320 in the year and a half I’ve owned it beyond the above. So 
>> that’s $137.00 plus maintenance.
>> 
>> If you have to go Asian, go Nissan or Mazda. Avoid the Korean crap that’s 
>> circulating around these days. I have two co-workers that own Hunday cars 
>> that are under two years old, and they‘re falling apart. One of them has 
>> less than 10k on it and the lettering and icons have worn off the buttons on 
>> the dash for the ACC and other controls. Plastics are coming apart and 
>> breaking. The build quality is horrid.
>> 
>> -D
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Progeny are currently in jeeps

She is protecting their financial futures

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> On Nov 17, 2018, at 4:34 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> if she wants to keep her progeny safe, then it is Mercedes Benz oder nicht.   
> DB(MB) invented auto safety, crush zones, crash testing etc., etc., etc
> 
> Sumpin here don't add up.
> 
>> clay monroe via Mercedes 
>> November 17, 2018 at 6:24 PM
>> SWMBA is a very good person. A veritable saint for tolerating my … idiocy 
>> for the past 30+ years.
>> 
>> Priority is to keep our progeny safe, not the idiot she may have made the 
>> mistake to take as spouse. My bacon is best kept out of jumping from a 
>> skillet into flames. If I choose flames, then she does not want to be party 
>> to that if it imperils her babies. Sounds smart to me.
>> 
>> I am not fully non-compismentis, but have certain tendencies that can place 
>> in peril financial fluidity. I will be out of luck once she gets full power 
>> of attorney. I will not be needing to drive at that point
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Five Cars in a Three-Car Garage

I find that the owners of cars that use camera are exponentially incapable of 
backing up.  IT could be more about them not having been trained to drive.


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> On Nov 17, 2018, at 3:58 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I used to think that backup cameras were exclusively for bad drivers. I've 
> now seen the error of my ways, there are 2 occasions where they are extremely 
> useful:
> 1. Backing out into traffic when you have an obstructed view, like when a 
> large vehicle blocks you.2. Hooking to a trailer, no good for a 5th wheel or 
> goose neck obviously but those are easier to hook up to anyway.
> -Curt
> 
>On Saturday, November 17, 2018, 8:33:47 AM EST, Mitch Haley 
>  wrote:  
> 
> 
>> On November 17, 2018 at 8:14 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> In front, meaning away from the doors. Leave it to the truck driver to 
>> always back in...
> 
> I prefer to walk behind the car before I hop in and back out. 
> Besides that, if I'm driving stick (only the Saturn and the 2.3-16) I shut 
> the engine off 1/8 mile before my driveway and coast into the garage. 
> 
> Although newer cars with cameras that show the floor a couple feet behind the 
> car make his way more practical than ever. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

If struck from behind, the cop car has a partition that keep the car from going 
boom and flames, that is missing in the consumer version

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> On Nov 17, 2018, at 3:57 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 15:38:12 -0800 clay monroe via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I just learned that the cop versions have a much safer quality, as
>> there is some manner of Anit-Pinto in the enforcers that the standard
>> cars are not privy to.
> 
> Anit-Pinto?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] For Curley and Mitch

I watched that prius this morning.  After watching Chris Fixx swap in a fresh 
battery into a prius last night.  Figured I should know how if I got the lexus 
hybrid.

First, take the car apart (after purchasing a rebuild pack of cells for half 
dealer cost) so that nothing is attached behind the front seats.  Then you have 
to put it all back and everything is peachy keen again.   He picked up the car 
as non-op for like $1500 and will sell it on after the install for $4k.


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> On Nov 17, 2018, at 11:40 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm shocked !
> 
> That is the first Prius I have ever seen, that doesn't have a gay pride
> sticker on it, or a "vote Hillary" sticker.
> Can I have it for a day or two?  I want to do drive thru at every Starbucks
> I can find with a "No Weapons" sign on the front just for fun...
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 8:23 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Squeeze the trigger and the car rolls over on its side.  Heh.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 9:49 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'd like to see a long burst from a moving car.
>>> From what I've heard, the recoil from those cannons knocks 20 kts off
>> the flying speed of a 15 ton Falcon.
>>> 
>>> Mitch.
>>> 
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>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 
 Go to town, boys:
 
 https://youtu.be/uzLNC-strf0
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Re: [MBZ] Nice.. and GREEN!

on a good day downhill.

New it would have been 15.  The 450SL is working its way back that way.  At 
least it is better than the 8 I was getting seven years ago


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> On Nov 16, 2018, at 5:59 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I can hear the sound of sucking gasoline... what? 12 MPG?
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> November 16, 2018 at 7:57 PM
>> Check it out:
>> 
>> https://copleymotorcars.com/?showroom=1974-mercedes-benz-450sel
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Nice.. and GREEN!

MBCA club event today at a convertible and upholstery shop.  Not enough people 
showed up, but it was a good event.  Fellow will fabricate most anything as 
custom.

I asked what his approach to the RARE interiors might be.  My SL is green on 
green.  There are no major providers who supply that stuff.  So, my seats are a 
custom build.  Same as the carpets, door cards, console, and all the other 
goodies.  GAHH top is at least standard, so only need to spend $2k there.

I will just have to go the Preservation Class way.

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> On Nov 16, 2018, at 5:57 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> Check it out:
> 
> https://copleymotorcars.com/?showroom=1974-mercedes-benz-450sel
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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

2018-11-17 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes

My thoughts exactly.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 17, 2018, at 7:34 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> if she wants to keep her progeny safe, then it is Mercedes Benz oder nicht.   
> DB(MB) invented auto safety, crush zones, crash testing etc., etc., etc
> 
> Sumpin here don't add up.
> 
>> clay monroe via Mercedes 
>> November 17, 2018 at 6:24 PM
>> SWMBA is a very good person. A veritable saint for tolerating my … idiocy 
>> for the past 30+ years.
>> 
>> Priority is to keep our progeny safe, not the idiot she may have made the 
>> mistake to take as spouse. My bacon is best kept out of jumping from a 
>> skillet into flames. If I choose flames, then she does not want to be party 
>> to that if it imperils her babies. Sounds smart to me.
>> 
>> I am not fully non-compismentis, but have certain tendencies that can place 
>> in peril financial fluidity. I will be out of luck once she gets full power 
>> of attorney. I will not be needing to drive at that point
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay monroe
>> redgh...@comcast.net
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Vote this into the herd?

The Bland car will not be able to suffer ignominy.  I would be able to put 
those annoying stick figure family things, and maybe a coexist sticker.  I just 
picked one up that is made of guns not religious symbols

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> On Nov 16, 2018, at 1:07 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Paint them blue and green and put a Seahags sticker in the back windwhield. 
> Mitch. 
> 
>> On November 16, 2018 at 3:59 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Looks good.
>> Try to avoid painting the bumpers purple.
>> Then SWMBO is less likely to be embarrassed to be seen in it or to have 
>> her friends comment that they have seen you driving around in a car with 
>> purple bumpers!
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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

2018-11-17 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 19:28:18 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The cop versions got a shield of sorts added into them as standard
> production after it was discovered that in a number of rear end
> collisions (high speed ones where the cruiser was parked and someone
> rammed them from behind) the gas tank would be shoved up against the
> body and frame, rupturing and bursting into flames, I believe.
> 
> Hence the Pinto analogy.

So it should have been "Anti-Pinto" instead of "Anit Pinto".


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Vote this into the herd?

My name is Clay and I am an Addict.

Welcome Clay

I am one week clean

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> On Nov 16, 2018, at 12:55 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
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> 
> Decent price for a 2009 with under 120k on it from a dealer. 
> PPI it to death before you drop $10k on it though. 
> 
> Take off the ML320 Bluetec badges and the stars, put Lexus swoops or Acura 
> dividers in the circles that used to have stars in them?
> Or just say 'you wanted me to get rid of all the junkers and buy one solid 
> car, so I bought the most versatile one I could find'?
> 
> But seriously, you're the one driving it, so as long as she doesn't think 
> it's a public embarrassment (did I guess right about her opinion of Polei and 
> the gold/purple car?), what does she care?
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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

Probably more mutual frustration than imminent sundering of bonds.  Unless I 
force things and proceed down a pathway that ignores her better judgement.


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> On Nov 16, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> 
>> On November 16, 2018 at 12:36 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This whole 'buy yourself a car of my choosing or I'm filing for divorce' is 
>> either about spousal abuse/control, or it condenses down to 'I'm planning on 
>> filing for divorce'. Either way, it doesn't sound healthy to me. 
>> 
> 
> ...or I misunderstood and she actually said something like "I'm fed up to 
> here with the joke paint jobs on your silly Mercedes. Why can't you just 
> drive a plain white Camry like normal people do?"
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Re: [MBZ] Five Cars in a Three-Car Garage

2018-11-17 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

Some of us old farts can't turn our necks as far as we used to, making the
backup camera really great! It's also very nice for lining up to a trailer.
I installed an aftermarket cheap one in the F150 (bought very few options
with it) and am very glad I did. I used to have to get out and lower the
tailgate to see where I was backing when unloading it - no more.

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>  I used to think that backup cameras were exclusively for bad drivers.
> I've now seen the error of my ways, there are 2 occasions where they are
> extremely useful:
> 1. Backing out into traffic when you have an obstructed view, like when a
> large vehicle blocks you.2. Hooking to a trailer, no good for a 5th wheel
> or goose neck obviously but those are easier to hook up to anyway.
> -Curt
>
> On Saturday, November 17, 2018, 8:33:47 AM EST, Mitch Haley <
> mi...@mitchellhaley.com> wrote:
>
>
> > On November 17, 2018 at 8:14 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > In front, meaning away from the doors. Leave it to the truck driver to
> always back in...
>
> I prefer to walk behind the car before I hop in and back out.
> Besides that, if I'm driving stick (only the Saturn and the 2.3-16) I shut
> the engine off 1/8 mile before my driveway and coast into the garage.
>
> Although newer cars with cameras that show the floor a couple feet behind
> the car make his way more practical than ever.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Rifles

2018-11-17 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

Replacement with retirement of present equipment is most likely a
government budget that needs to "spend funds before the current cycle runs
out" or lose the allocation.

The Bushmasters will be taken in as "police turn ins" and sold off. Main
advantage for new rifles will be they are new, and the budget money got
spent... thus justified..

On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 5:46 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> Advantage for whoever got the contract
>
> > archer75--- via Mercedes 
> > November 17, 2018 at 6:12 PM
> > Orlando is replacing Bushmaster rifles with Sig Sauer rifles for its
> > police. Any advantage there?
> > Gerry
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Rifles


Advantage for whoever got the contract


archer75--- via Mercedes 
November 17, 2018 at 6:12 PM
Orlando is replacing Bushmaster rifles with Sig Sauer rifles for its 
police. Any advantage there?

Gerry




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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

Is either of those Korean kars a sonata?   elanta et al is crap.   
Sonati  I have seen seem to have earned the Korean Kaddylac moniker.
Of course Kaddylak is no icon of quality.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
November 17, 2018 at 6:37 PM
Dude, I’m telling you. W210 wagon or sedan, the latest and best one 
you can find. Nothing to do but gas and go.


Oh, yeah - the 2002 needed a crankshaft position sensor this week. $27 
and five minutes to replace. Other than paying to have the instrument 
cluster rebuilt when I bought the car because the pixels in the 
display were wonky ($110 from BBA Reman with a lifetime guarantee) I 
have not put dime one into the 2002 E320 in the year and a half I’ve 
owned it beyond the above. So that’s $137.00 plus maintenance.


If you have to go Asian, go Nissan or Mazda. Avoid the Korean crap 
that’s circulating around these days. I have two co-workers that own 
Hunday cars that are under two years old, and they‘re falling apart. 
One of them has less than 10k on it and the lettering and icons have 
worn off the buttons on the dash for the ACC and other controls. 
Plastics are coming apart and breaking. The build quality is horrid.


-D


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Re: [MBZ] Rifles

If the Bushies are old enough to be any good, it's pretty much a direct 
replacement, one factory made AR15 for another. Some undesirable stuff was sold 
under the Bushmaster name after Freedom Group acquired it. Like the old 
Bushmasters, Sig is good but nothing exotic or special. 
If the cops want to be operators operating operationally, they're probably 
demanding shorter lighter more maneuverable carbines these days, maybe the old 
guns were 20" barrels and the new ones are 14.5 or 16", maybe with nice optical 
sights on them. 
Mitch. 

> On November 17, 2018 at 7:12 PM archer75--- via Mercedes 
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> 
> 
> 
> Orlando is replacing Bushmaster rifles with Sig Sauer rifles for its police. 
> Any advantage there?
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

Dude, I’m telling you.  W210 wagon or sedan, the latest and best one you can 
find.  Nothing to do but gas and go.

Oh, yeah - the 2002 needed a crankshaft position sensor this week.  $27 and 
five minutes to replace.  Other than paying to have the instrument cluster 
rebuilt when I bought the car because the pixels in the display were wonky 
($110 from BBA Reman with a lifetime guarantee)  I have not put dime one into 
the 2002 E320 in the year and a half I’ve owned it beyond the above.  So that’s 
$137.00 plus maintenance.

If you have to go Asian, go Nissan or Mazda.  Avoid the Korean crap that’s 
circulating around these days.  I have two co-workers that own Hunday cars that 
are under two years old, and they‘re falling apart.  One of them has less than 
10k on it and the lettering and icons have worn off the buttons on the dash for 
the ACC and other controls.  Plastics are coming apart and breaking.  The build 
quality is horrid.

-D

> On Nov 17, 2018, at 6:57 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> SWMBA seems morally against the marque.
> 
> It clashes with her perceived identity as a nice person.  That I gather to 
> myself the bottom feeder sort of car, and those tend to require a reasonable 
> investment to update, this is deemed to be a “waste” of money.  
> 
> My perspective is otherwise.  I see them as more fiscally responsible than 
> paying for newer cars which will probably require a significant investment to 
> keep them in good repair.  The W220 was a decade old when it came my way.  In 
> the four years I drove it, repair costs equalled purchase price.  At the 
> point of SLS and cluster failure, I had tossed close to $5k in 12 months at 
> it.  Those repairs would have upped it to another $6k.  Car would not meet 
> KBB for those repairs.
> 
> Dan may be very well versed in how to make the newer cars worth owning, but I 
> am only capable of keeping simple old cars on the road with what little cash 
> I have and a few band aids.  
> 
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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

if she wants to keep her progeny safe, then it is Mercedes Benz oder 
nicht.   DB(MB) invented auto safety, crush zones, crash testing etc., 
etc., etc


Sumpin here don't add up.


clay monroe via Mercedes 
November 17, 2018 at 6:24 PM
SWMBA is a very good person. A veritable saint for tolerating my … 
idiocy for the past 30+ years.


Priority is to keep our progeny safe, not the idiot she may have made 
the mistake to take as spouse. My bacon is best kept out of jumping 
from a skillet into flames. If I choose flames, then she does not want 
to be party to that if it imperils her babies. Sounds smart to me.


I am not fully non-compismentis, but have certain tendencies that can 
place in peril financial fluidity. I will be out of luck once she gets 
full power of attorney. I will not be needing to drive at that point




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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

The cop versions got a shield of sorts added into them as standard production 
after it was discovered that in a number of rear end collisions (high speed 
ones where the cruiser was parked and someone rammed them from behind) the gas 
tank would be shoved up against the body and frame, rupturing and bursting into 
flames, I believe.

Hence the Pinto analogy.

-D who owned one of those recalled Pintos


> On Nov 17, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>>> I just learned that the cop versions have a much safer quality, as
>>> there is some manner of Anit-Pinto in the enforcers that the standard
>>> cars are not privy to.
> 
>> Anit-Pinto?
> 
> Anti fire device around the gas tank, maybe?
> Maybe what is referenced in this ad as a "kevlar trunk pack"?
> 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/d/2008-ford-crown-victoria-p71/6725772386.html
> 
> I do like this one.
> Looks good with the Mustang wheels.
> Could probably bolt in Lincoln Town Car seats, if wanted.
> They are the same chassis.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

SWMBA is a very good person.  A veritable saint for tolerating my … idiocy for 
the past 30+ years.  

Priority is to keep our progeny safe, not the idiot she may have made the 
mistake to take as spouse.  My bacon is best kept out of jumping from a skillet 
into flames.  If I choose flames, then she does not want to be party to that if 
it imperils her babies.  Sounds smart to me.  

I am not fully non-compismentis, but have certain tendencies that can place in 
peril financial fluidity.  I will be out of luck once she gets full power of 
attorney.  I will not be needing to drive at that point

clay monroe
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> On Nov 16, 2018, at 9:36 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On November 16, 2018 at 11:46 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Have you had a serious discussion with SWMBO? Is her dislike of your 
>> Mercedes hobby tied to the troubles you have had with the cars or is it 
>> something else?
> 
> This whole 'buy yourself a car of my choosing or I'm filing for divorce' is 
> either about spousal abuse/control, or it condenses down to 'I'm planning on 
> filing for divorce'. Either way, it doesn't sound healthy to me. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

>> I just learned that the cop versions have a much safer quality, as
>> there is some manner of Anit-Pinto in the enforcers that the standard
>> cars are not privy to.

>Anit-Pinto?

Anti fire device around the gas tank, maybe?
Maybe what is referenced in this ad as a "kevlar trunk pack"?

https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/d/2008-ford-crown-victoria-p71/6725772386.html

I do like this one.
Looks good with the Mustang wheels.
Could probably bolt in Lincoln Town Car seats, if wanted.
They are the same chassis.

Rick
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[MBZ] Rifles

2018-11-17 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes



Orlando is replacing Bushmaster rifles with Sig Sauer rifles for its police. 
Any advantage there?
Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] Five Cars in a Three-Car Garage

 I used to think that backup cameras were exclusively for bad drivers. I've now 
seen the error of my ways, there are 2 occasions where they are extremely 
useful:
1. Backing out into traffic when you have an obstructed view, like when a large 
vehicle blocks you.2. Hooking to a trailer, no good for a 5th wheel or goose 
neck obviously but those are easier to hook up to anyway.
-Curt

On Saturday, November 17, 2018, 8:33:47 AM EST, Mitch Haley 
 wrote:  
 
 
> On November 17, 2018 at 8:14 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> In front, meaning away from the doors. Leave it to the truck driver to always 
> back in...

I prefer to walk behind the car before I hop in and back out. 
Besides that, if I'm driving stick (only the Saturn and the 2.3-16) I shut the 
engine off 1/8 mile before my driveway and coast into the garage. 

Although newer cars with cameras that show the floor a couple feet behind the 
car make his way more practical than ever. 

Mitch.
  
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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

2018-11-17 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 15:38:12 -0800 clay monroe via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I just learned that the cop versions have a much safer quality, as
> there is some manner of Anit-Pinto in the enforcers that the standard
> cars are not privy to.

Anit-Pinto?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

SWMBA seems morally against the marque.

It clashes with her perceived identity as a nice person.  That I gather to 
myself the bottom feeder sort of car, and those tend to require a reasonable 
investment to update, this is deemed to be a “waste” of money.  

My perspective is otherwise.  I see them as more fiscally responsible than 
paying for newer cars which will probably require a significant investment to 
keep them in good repair.  The W220 was a decade old when it came my way.  In 
the four years I drove it, repair costs equalled purchase price.  At the point 
of SLS and cluster failure, I had tossed close to $5k in 12 months at it.  
Those repairs would have upped it to another $6k.  Car would not meet KBB for 
those repairs.

Dan may be very well versed in how to make the newer cars worth owning, but I 
am only capable of keeping simple old cars on the road with what little cash I 
have and a few band aids.  

clay monroe
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> On Nov 16, 2018, at 8:46 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 15/11/2018 10:45 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:
>> I do not call the shots on this.  I do cash, she does big money.  My cars 
>> come to me for low money, engine repair is big money.  Fresh “reliable” cars 
>> are big money too.  The POS PITA W220 was supposed to be a good car. It was 
>> for a year and a half.
>> 
>> clay monroe
> Have you had a serious discussion with SWMBO? Is her dislike of your Mercedes 
> hobby tied to the troubles you have had with the cars or is it something else?
> My guess is that she may not appreciate your customization of the cars. I 
> know my wife would not look favourably on the "hot wheels" car or the 
> imitation police car.
> If you kept them stock looking, would they be less objectionable? A 
> reasonably shiny classic Mercedes is generally considered a nice car by most 
> folks who may have no clue about how old they are.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTOg4aYGtdY

Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] If not the SD

I just learned that the cop versions have a much safer quality, as there is 
some manner of Anit-Pinto in the enforcers that the standard cars are not privy 
to.


clay monroe
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Rear Wheel Bearing

Yes, the Mercedes Source model.  Kent is really good at conjugating interesting 
tools.


clay monroe
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> On Nov 16, 2018, at 8:45 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That’s what Harbor Fright is really good for - cheep chinee tools I can buy, 
> cut up/modify without concerns about the cost.
> 
> I have one that less than two miles from my house.  On days when the breeze 
> is right and the windows are open I can smell it.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 11:29 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I did similar, I cut off the end of the cheapo Harbor Freight socket to
>> make it as shallow as possible, so that the breaker-bar torque was applied
>> as close to the nut as possible.  Trick is to keep the end of the socket
>> square.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 11:24 AM OK Don via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have several sockets that have had the tapered lip ground off so the hex
>>> grabs immediately for those shallow tight nuts.
>>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

The local auto auction had these things on offer, and they sold for pennies to 
the cab companies.  Then the Priapus things began to show up and all the taxi 
folks flocked to them paying close to retail KBB.  Now the cops are getting rid 
of Chargers and other more militaristic models.


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> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:45 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> If you get a real cruiser, it will have a hard plastic back seat and no 
> carpet.  Makes it easier to hose the back down after the perps have been 
> dropped off at the jail.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 7:41 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Left front seat is wrecked inside of 50,000 miles. 
>> Mitch. 
>>> On November 16, 2018 at 1:29 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Then an ex cop crown Vic is what you need. A cop has to be alert and awake 
>>> after sitting in a car for hours on end.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

I just learned that the cop versions have a much safer quality, as there is 
some manner of Anit-Pinto in the enforcers that the standard cars are not privy 
to.


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> On Nov 15, 2018, at 10:29 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Then an ex cop crown Vic is what you need. A cop has to be alert and awake 
> after sitting in a car for hours on end.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: November 16, 2018 12:06 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: redgh...@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] If not the SD
> 
> 
> That is a defining issue for me.  Seats in the car have to allow for a 24 
> hour road trip where I arrive tired because I did not sleep enough, not that 
> I am wracked with pain from the torment of the seating.  The family hates to 
> ride with me because of the forced march attitude.  SEA to DIA was done as 
> overnights both there and back.  Same with SEA to XWA, though that involved a 
> one way and then round trip within seven days.  Both trips were in an S 
> class.  I was tired mostest because i had to ride Amtrak for the initial 
> return leg from XWA.


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Re: [MBZ] For Curley and Mitch

2018-11-17 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

I'm shocked !

That is the first Prius I have ever seen, that doesn't have a gay pride
sticker on it, or a "vote Hillary" sticker.
Can I have it for a day or two?  I want to do drive thru at every Starbucks
I can find with a "No Weapons" sign on the front just for fun...



On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 8:23 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Squeeze the trigger and the car rolls over on its side.  Heh.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Nov 17, 2018, at 9:49 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'd like to see a long burst from a moving car.
> > From what I've heard, the recoil from those cannons knocks 20 kts off
> the flying speed of a 15 ton Falcon.
> >
> > Mitch.
> >
> >> On November 17, 2018 at 8:54 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Go to town, boys:
> >>
> >> https://youtu.be/uzLNC-strf0
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Re: [MBZ] Nice.. and GREEN!

I think my '79 300SD was about $27k.
My '86 190E was $34,500 with manny tranny (and 16v engine).
Mitch. 

> On November 17, 2018 at 11:44 AM OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> My '78 450SLC was $28,000 new - same amount that we paid for a new house in
> 1978 - $28,000.
>

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[MBZ] OT: Irv Gordon, who drove 3.2M miles in his P1800, has died

2018-11-17 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

Irv Gordon, the famous million-miler Volvo
man, has
reportedly died at age 77. The news was confirmed by his fansite
, which cited a Facebook
post by his daughter.

Gordon, a former schoolteacher from Long Island, gained fame and Guinness
World Records mentions by driving, driving and driving the Volvo P1800 he
bought in June 1966. He originally turned to Volvos after having trouble
with two consecutive Chevrolet
Corvairs;
Gordon needed a dependable car to get him to work and back every day, doing
125 miles of daily commuting.

A *Wired* article on Gordon
says he
really got into the record-driving thing after realizing he had passed the
250,000-mile mark with his Volvo with just basic maintenance and no repairs
, getting
a nice letter back from Volvo after he wrote the company to praise its
product.

The first million miles were a big deal for Gordon, his Volvo and the
carmaker: Volvo gave him a new, Bertone-designed 780 coupe he proceeded to
use as a family car, eventually selling it with just over 450,000 miles—the
P1800, he kept. The Guinness record was broken at 1.69 million miles,
almost exactly a million miles after Gordon had the engine rebuilt despite
the car not needing the work after all. It turned out to be fine, and
Gordon had just been overly cautious. The second million-mile mark, passed
in 2002, earned Irv a new C70
.

The P1800 did receive a new engine in 2009, as the original one was losing
compression, and some bodywork damage sustained in SEMA
transport
cemented Gordon's long-held belief that no one else should drive the car
but him. He also did all the oil changes
and
brake work himself. The last mileage update on his Facebook fanpage put the
car at 3.2 million miles, or over 5 million kilometers, in May 2018.

Gordon drove the car all over the world. Imagine all the people you meet
and stories you hear when you're out on the road, mile after mile ticking
on the odometer of the car that's become a part of you, and vice versa. As
Gordon said in another interview
:

"I bought this car, and I was so pleased that the car always took me to
work every day, took me home every day, never gave me any grief, never gave
me any problems, never needed any repairs. So, I expect that I'll still be
driving the car until there's nothing left of me—the car'll still be
around. The car's in better shape than I am."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/volvo-owner-irv-gordon-who-drove-32m-miles-in-his-p1800-has-died/ar-BBPMebM?li=BBnb7Kz
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Re: [MBZ] Nice.. and GREEN!

2018-11-17 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

My '78 450SLC was $28,000 new - same amount that we paid for a new house in
1978 - $28,000.

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 10:16 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Craig is right about the price jump.
>
> 1974 450SEL MSRP $17,400 according to NADA
>
> By 1979, the 6.9 was $45,000 give or take, while the 450SEL was a mere
> $30,000 give or take.
> > Craig via Mercedes 
> > November 16, 2018 at 9:58 PM
> > On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 21:12:01 -0500 (EST) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> >
> > I would say somewhat more than $10k.
> >
> > I bought a '72 220D/8 on 22 Aug 1972 for $7124.50.
> > I also recall a price increase in the 1974 timeframe, and, if I recall
> > correctly, it was because of a currency exchange rate change.
> >
> >
> > Craig
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Re: [MBZ] For Curley and Mitch

Squeeze the trigger and the car rolls over on its side.  Heh.

-D


> On Nov 17, 2018, at 9:49 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'd like to see a long burst from a moving car. 
> From what I've heard, the recoil from those cannons knocks 20 kts off the 
> flying speed of a 15 ton Falcon. 
> 
> Mitch. 
> 
>> On November 17, 2018 at 8:54 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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>> 
>> 
>> Go to town, boys:
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/uzLNC-strf0
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Re: [MBZ] For Curley and Mitch



I'd like to see a long burst from a moving car. 
>From what I've heard, the recoil from those cannons knocks 20 kts off the 
>flying speed of a 15 ton Falcon. 

Mitch. 

> On November 17, 2018 at 8:54 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Go to town, boys:
> 
> https://youtu.be/uzLNC-strf0

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 156, Issue 64

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>than "Re: Contents of Mercedes digest..."

Oops. 

Rick
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[MBZ] For Curley and Mitch

Go to town, boys:

https://youtu.be/uzLNC-strf0 

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 156, Issue 64

2018-11-17 Thread Rdeafboy via Mercedes




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Today's Topics:

  1. max needs this wagon (Floyd Thursby)
  2. what could go wrong (Floyd Thursby)
  3. Re: This might be a good deal (Floyd Thursby)
  4. This Is the Least Reliable Car in the Industry (Craig)
  5. Re: Five Cars in a Three-Car Garage (fmiser)
  6. Re: This might be a good deal (Mitch Haley)
  7. Re: If not the SD (Kaleb C. Striplin)
  8. Re: This might be a good deal (Mitch Haley)
  9. Re: This might be a good deal (Meade Dillon)
  10. Re: Five Cars in a Three-Car Garage (Jim Cathey)
  11. OT: An easy lesson (Curt Raymond)
  12. Vote this into the herd? (clay monroe)
  13. Re: Five Cars in a Three-Car Garage (Craig)
  14. Re: This might be a good deal (Meade Dillon)
  15. Re: Vote this into the herd? (Mitch Haley)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 14:38:07 -0500
From: Floyd Thursby 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] max needs this wagon
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Looks fairly nice, drop that dizzel into it

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/499253967230458

1999 Mercedes-Benz E320
Summerville, SC? 33 minutes ago 
?
 

$2,000

  * About This Vehicle

  *
      o

      o Driven 320,228 miles
  *
      o

      o Automatic transmission
  *
      o

      o Fair condition
        

Seller's Description

runs drives great heat and ac work minor body work

Seller Information
Robert Evans 
Joined Facebook in 2017

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 14:39:59 -0500
From: Floyd Thursby 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] what could go wrong
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It doesn't look bad though

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/291666731464941

2002 Mercedes-Benz S-Class
Moncks Corner, SC? 2 hours ago 
?
 

$1,650

  * About This Vehicle

  *
      o

      o Automatic transmission

Seller's Description

2002 Mercedes-Benz S430 158000 miles on it Runs and drives V8, 4.3L 
engine in good condition Automatic transmission shifts perfect Power 
windows and locks Leather seats AC and heat

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 14:43:19 -0500
From: Floyd Thursby 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] This might be a good deal
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Could be fun if it checks out, hard to tell from the 2 pics what shape 
it is in, but looks like that might be in Ion?

--FT


On 11/16/18 2:20 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> Hmmm, echoes of that $4000 lemon AMG?  I'd probably see an increase in
> speeding tickets...
>
> I remember looking at the specs for the C class years ago, and noted that
> the C500 outperformed the AMG version of the C.  I wonder if this CL500
> fits that same pattern.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 2:06 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Max you should go check it out
>>
>> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-cl-500/6749708032.html
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 12:59:35 -0700
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Subject: [MBZ] This Is the Least Reliable Car in the Industry
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Re: [MBZ] Five Cars in a Three-Car Garage

> On November 17, 2018 at 8:14 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> In front, meaning away from the doors. Leave it to the truck driver to always 
> back in...

I prefer to walk behind the car before I hop in and back out. 
Besides that, if I'm driving stick (only the Saturn and the 2.3-16) I shut the 
engine off 1/8 mile before my driveway and coast into the garage. 

Although newer cars with cameras that show the floor a couple feet behind the 
car make his way more practical than ever. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Five Cars in a Three-Car Garage