date:20190809

On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 22:37:17 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Back in the day, we had an incentive program to make good progress in
> school.  Oddly enough it was called Selective Service.

We had that one, too, as well has having a high-enough draft number.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] This was weird, or maybe not

On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 20:07:03 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> So does my SL500. The systems were IR until 98, I think, when they
> changed to RF.
> 
> Again, if the emitter is weak or the receivers are not working well, or
> their plastic lenses are cloudy, it won’t work from a distance of any
> kind, or in the sunlight.

Cataracts, anyone?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-09 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> Peter wrote:

> Wonderful stuff, I'm still kicking myself for not buying a dozen
> 100' rolls of it when it was still made.

My cartridge loader sits unused.  Hasn't loaded a roll of film in
at least 10 years.  I'm still not sure abandoning film is a good idea...

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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

2019-08-09 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> Peter wrote:

> I think that's backwards -- 5W-40 is a 5 wt oil at cold temps
> that retains the viscosity of a 40W oil at high temps.

Thanks for trimming your post!

But you trimmed too much. *smiles*  If you are replying to Curt,
correct.  If you are replying to my reply to Curt you should be
agreeing with me. :)

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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

2019-08-09 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

What I am saying is from experience.    Mitch's theory is ok, but 
sometimes theories get blown to bits in the real world.


In really cold weather, the 15W-50 is like molasses on a cold day, and 
makes for hard starting. My OM603s did OK with the 10-40 stuff, back 
when it was real M1 and had enough zinc.   But I tried the 5W-40 and got 
rattly lifters (not a problem with the iron heads, but still signals 
that the oil is too thin.)  Also, the oil  consumption went way high 
with the 5w-x stuff, but was back to nothing with the 15W-50.


All y'all are free to put whatever ya want in yer engine.  I'm just 
'splainin what happens with an OM603 in real cold.   As Herr Doktor 
Booth said: OM603s and its 4 and 5 cyl versions are happy with 15w-50 M1 
with high zinc, down to about -10F.  Below that gets iffy.  the watery 
stuff causes lifter problems, and that is close enough to a lubrication 
problem for me to say NO.

All y'all are free to put whatever ya want in yer engine.

If you can plug in your engine heater all winter, every time, then 
15w-50 is great year round.  You just have to keep it at 0 or above for 
good starting.  (assuming 425 PSi compression)


Now that mobil is selling dino as M1, in most weights, but perhaps not 
the 15W-50, that is all the more reason to find REAL synthetic 15w50 for 
your OM603 diesel,  or at least use Real Dino oil with  high zinc (Delo 
or Delvac).


I still run Dino Delo or Delvac in the iron heads with more frequent 
changes due to higher soot levels.  10W-40 is good.




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Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

2019-08-09 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes

Back in the day, we had an incentive program to make good progress in school.  
Oddly enough it was called Selective Service.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Clay Monroe via Mercedes
>...
> All because the schools could not graduate much more than 17% of their
> population in a reasonable amount of time.   ...
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: DON'T FIX THE IPHONE

2019-08-09 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

Get one of Dan's 4s fones.  There usta be a free third party OS10 app 
that would pull pictures off any device you could plug into the computer 
USB.  I used it to get pictures of my motorola startacs.  Good ol 
VZWireless said the only way to get them was to pay them a huge fee per 
picture.   Its probably still there, but I dunno the name of it.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 8/9/19 7:08 PM:

One of the reasons I bought an iPoo four months ago was it had a really nice 
camera.
Today I took a picture I wanted to email to a friend.
Just need to Bluetooth it to my PC so I can email it...
WTF? There's no option to 'share to bleutooth"???

Oh, I see, to do it the Apple Way™, I need to buy a $2000 MacBook and fire up 
the Airdrop program. Obviously that's much easier than selecting 'send to 
bluetooth'.

So now I have 4 months worth of pictures on a device that doesn't have an 
external memory card slot, and that Apple doesn't want me to be able to export 
out of the Apple Universe™.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: WTF is Boeing on?

2019-08-09 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

THE SLOPPINESS OF BOEING'S SOFTWARE SEEMS TO BE TYPICAL. It does not
engender confidence in being a passenger on either airbust or Boeing's
newer equipment.

archer75--- via Mercedes wrote on 8/9/19 7:22 AM:

WTF is Boeing on? Not just customer databases lying around on the web. 787
jetliner code, too, security bugs and all
Fears of cyber-hijackings? That's plane crazy, says Dreamliner maker

A Black Hat presentation on how to potentially hijack a 787 – by exploiting bugs found in
internal code left lying around on a public-facing server – was last night slammed as
"irresponsible and misleading" by Boeing.

At the hacking conference in Las Vegas on Wednesday, Ruben Santamarta,
principal security consultant at pen-testing biz IOActive, told attendees he
had found holes in software used in a computer network aboard the jetliners.

It is important to note here that there are essentially three electronic
networks on a 787: the first is home to non-critical stuff like the in-flight
entertainment system; the second is used by slightly more important
applications reserved for crew and maintenance teams; and the third is used by
the vital avionics gear that controls the airplane's flight and reads its
sensors.

The software Santamarta probed – a crew information service – lives in the
second network. He suggested it may be possible to exploit holes in, say, the
in-flight entertainment system on the first network to access the adjoining
second network where one could abuse the flaws he found in the crew information
software to then reach into the adjoining third network. Once there, one could
tap into the avionics equipment to hijack the 787, in theory.

Boeing, however, insists the software on the second network cannot be exploited
as IOActive described, nor can a miscreant direct the avionics from other
networks, due to restrictions in place, such as hardware filters that only
allow data to flow between networks rather than instructions or commands. El
Reg quietly hopes the avionics can't be taken over by malformed data that
triggers vulnerabilities within the flight control systems on the third network.
'Limited'

During his talk, Santamarta acknowledged he had no way of proving he could
actually commandeer the flight control systems via the holes he found in the
crew-facing software. For one thing, he couldn’t persuade Boeing to let him
loose on a real passenger jet.

“We have confirmed the vulnerabilities, but not that they are exploitable, so
we are presenting why we think they are,” he said. “We have got very limited
data, so it’s impossible to say if the mitigation factors Boeing say they have
work. We offer them our assistance.”

The Register spoke to Boeing engineers to get their side of the story. They
told us work-in-progress software destined for the 787 was stored on a server
belonging to the aircraft manufacturer's research and development labs. This
box had been, like so many databases and other systems recently, accidentally
left open to the internet, which isn't particularly wise. Boeing's eggheads
were alerted to the exposed machine by someone who wasn’t from IOActive, we're
told, suggesting God-only-knows how many people found the thing.
Boeing 737-Max 9 on Shutterstock
Another rewrite for 737 Max software as cosmic bit-flipping tests glitch out
systems – report
READ MORE

According to IOActive, in September, Santamarta stumbled upon the software on
the server, while it was exposed to the web, using a Google search. He set to
work studying the materials, eventually finding a bunch of bugs that could be
exploited to achieve arbitrary code execution in the crew information
application.

Boeing's engineers claimed to us they first knew of IOActive’s investigation
into the leaked code when Black Hat's organizers published the conference
schedule some months ago, revealing that a talk was due to take place on
hacking 787 aircraft. According to the techies, IOActive had contacted the crew
information software's external developer, Honeywell, about its findings, and
not Boeing. IOActive categorically denied this to us, and said it spoke to the
Dreamliner maker directly about its discoveries.

In any case, a Boeing engineer told us the bugs in the software have been
ironed out, and even if they were present, it would not be possible to hijack
the avionics network from another network anyway. Once Boeing was aware of the
nature of the programming blunders in the Honeywell software found by
Santamarta, the manufacturer verified in the lab and then on an actual 787 that
it was not possible to seize control of a $150-million-ish jetliner via the
holes Santamarta discovered.

And yes, it's all very vague because no one wants to spill too many beans about
the cyber-security of a passenger jet. And Boeing is really quite cross about
the whole thing.

“IOActive’s scenarios cannot affect any critical or essential airplane system
and do not describe a way

Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

Lol, Tech Pan was the film used by the military to take those photos where you 
could read newspaper headlines from 12 miles up or whatever -- the resolution 
of that film greatly exceeded the resolution of 35mm lenses for the most part.  
Recovered from space, believe it or not, back in the day.

The lovely polyester base was developed because acetate base blisters in a hard 
vacuum.

Wonderful stuff, I'm still kicking myself for not buying a dozen 100' rolls of 
it when it was still made.



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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

I've been using the D3300 for "scanning" film -- resolution is equal to my film 
scanner and it's MUCH faster.

Need to make some film holders so I can make multiple "scans" of my medium 
format films and stitch them together.  Still not projection prints onto good 
silver base paper, but who can afford that these days?

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT: DON'T FIX THE IPHONE

The main issue is removing the image to another program.  Usually very very 
difficult to do from what I've heard, and that's not acceptable to me.
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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

I do use the phone camera for documenting my airplane build for the FAA -
it's good enough, handy, and I don't have the Nikon in the shop with flying
bits of steel and welding going on.

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:19 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Nikon D3300 for all my photography, such as that you’ve seen on my blogs.
> I rarely use the camera on my phone for anything.
>
> -D
>
> > On Aug 9, 2019, at 9:15 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Very true - I keep telling my kids to use the real camera instead of the
> > phone, well two of them have DSLRs and use them frequently. I am
> > continually surprised by the quality of the images from the Nikon D750 -
> > not the most pixels, and not the most expensive, but very good. My
> printer
> > only goes to 13' x 19" - and it's the equal of most of my film prints in
> > that range. No, I didn't get the package with the base lens - and I can
> use
> > all of my old Nikon film camera lenses, just without the automation. I
> can
> > still adjust the aperture and focus it. I do miss the anti-vibration
> > feature of the DSLR lenses in low light though.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 7:51 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm always amused by the notion that cell phone or iPad cameras are
> >> great.  They are not, really, although to do good snapshot photos.
> >>
> >> The reason the "work" well is that the lens is a 7 element, multicoated
> >> PLASTIC molding with an opening of f2.  Plenty of light on the teeny
> tiny
> >> sensor with itsy bitsy optical elements, plus a ton of post image
> >> processing that usually boosts saturation and contrast.
> >>
> >> Enlarge them very much and the quality drops off very quickly, and they
> >> cannot be used to produce offset prints, the image goes to much when
> it's
> >> screened  -- I have a buddy in charge of the printing department at the
> >> local university.  No go, even the new ones.
> >>
> >> The difficulty is when comparisons are made between even a mid-range
> DSLR
> >> and the phone camera.  Without fail the reviewers use the "package"
> lens on
> >> the DSLR with is barely good enough to call glorified junk.  Optimized
> for
> >> long zoom range, very small aperature (I've seen f4 to f6.3), would be
> >> unusable on a film camera unless you were on a white sand beach in
> bright
> >> sunlight.  Horrible distortion, the small aperature causes low light
> >> sensitivity (one fourth of the light per area of the phone camera) and
> >> typically far less post processing (or none, if you have a decent
> camera.
> >>
> >> A real comparison would be the f1.8 35mm "normal" lens on the DLSR, or
> >> better the f2.8 Macro lens.  Flat field, amazing corner sharpness
> stopped
> >> down a bit, little or no distortion, all the things the fixed focal
> length
> >> fixed aperature phone camera lens gives you, plus the far larger area
> for
> >> each pixel set on the sensor.
> >>
> >> Costs a bit more (a LOT more for the lenses, sadly), but if you are
> going
> >> to do anything more than share pics on the phone, use a DSLR.  You can
> even
> >> get one today for about $1500 that gives you ALMOST the resolution of a
> >> 35mm anything with a normal lens and Plus-X film if you have bright
> light.
> >> Otherwise it's more like Tri-X
> >>
> >> I will probably never be able to afford a digital camera with the
> >> resolution and contrast I could easily get with an Olympus OM-1, the f
> 1.8
> >> 50mm normal lens, and either Pan F or Agfapan 25..  And I won't
> mention
> >> Kodak Tech pan or microfilm.
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> >
> > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> > pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >
> > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who
> > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> > for themselves."
> >
> > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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pause and

Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

I used to use TechPan for aerial photos due to the extended red sensitivity
- it was almost like shooting through a #25 filter. I started using it when
it was a special order item and you had to mix your own developer from
scratch - but the results were worth it (Leica and 50mm Summicron).

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 7:51 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'm always amused by the notion that cell phone or iPad cameras are
> great.  They are not, really, although to do good snapshot photos.
>
> The reason the "work" well is that the lens is a 7 element, multicoated
> PLASTIC molding with an opening of f2.  Plenty of light on the teeny tiny
> sensor with itsy bitsy optical elements, plus a ton of post image
> processing that usually boosts saturation and contrast.
>
> Enlarge them very much and the quality drops off very quickly, and they
> cannot be used to produce offset prints, the image goes to much when it's
> screened  -- I have a buddy in charge of the printing department at the
> local university.  No go, even the new ones.
>
> The difficulty is when comparisons are made between even a mid-range DSLR
> and the phone camera.  Without fail the reviewers use the "package" lens on
> the DSLR with is barely good enough to call glorified junk.  Optimized for
> long zoom range, very small aperature (I've seen f4 to f6.3), would be
> unusable on a film camera unless you were on a white sand beach in bright
> sunlight.  Horrible distortion, the small aperature causes low light
> sensitivity (one fourth of the light per area of the phone camera) and
> typically far less post processing (or none, if you have a decent camera.
>
> A real comparison would be the f1.8 35mm "normal" lens on the DLSR, or
> better the f2.8 Macro lens.  Flat field, amazing corner sharpness stopped
> down a bit, little or no distortion, all the things the fixed focal length
> fixed aperature phone camera lens gives you, plus the far larger area for
> each pixel set on the sensor.
>
> Costs a bit more (a LOT more for the lenses, sadly), but if you are going
> to do anything more than share pics on the phone, use a DSLR.  You can even
> get one today for about $1500 that gives you ALMOST the resolution of a
> 35mm anything with a normal lens and Plus-X film if you have bright light.
> Otherwise it's more like Tri-X
>
> I will probably never be able to afford a digital camera with the
> resolution and contrast I could easily get with an Olympus OM-1, the f 1.8
> 50mm normal lens, and either Pan F or Agfapan 25..  And I won't mention
> Kodak Tech pan or microfilm.
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"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: DON'T FIX THE IPHONE

Hmm - I have over 382,000 on disk and a few more still in the camera. Only
a few of my film images have been digitized ...
They are stored on a local disk, and external USB drive, and the openNAS
raid array that you turned me onto ---

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:11 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I’ve got over 10,000 images in iPhoto and Aperture, all stored on a RAID
> in RAW (NEF) format. Both original and edited images are stored on backup.
> Never had a problem, but have heard of people who did. Because I have my
> image files stored in a separate library I don’t sweat it, as I can always
> get the original image if I need it.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Aug 9, 2019, at 8:34 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Do NOT, under any circumstances, ever put photos in iPhoto -- never
> heard anything good about that program.
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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

Nikon D3300 for all my photography, such as that you’ve seen on my blogs. I 
rarely use the camera on my phone for anything.

-D

> On Aug 9, 2019, at 9:15 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Very true - I keep telling my kids to use the real camera instead of the
> phone, well two of them have DSLRs and use them frequently. I am
> continually surprised by the quality of the images from the Nikon D750 -
> not the most pixels, and not the most expensive, but very good. My printer
> only goes to 13' x 19" - and it's the equal of most of my film prints in
> that range. No, I didn't get the package with the base lens - and I can use
> all of my old Nikon film camera lenses, just without the automation. I can
> still adjust the aperture and focus it. I do miss the anti-vibration
> feature of the DSLR lenses in low light though.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 7:51 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm always amused by the notion that cell phone or iPad cameras are
>> great.  They are not, really, although to do good snapshot photos.
>> 
>> The reason the "work" well is that the lens is a 7 element, multicoated
>> PLASTIC molding with an opening of f2.  Plenty of light on the teeny tiny
>> sensor with itsy bitsy optical elements, plus a ton of post image
>> processing that usually boosts saturation and contrast.
>> 
>> Enlarge them very much and the quality drops off very quickly, and they
>> cannot be used to produce offset prints, the image goes to much when it's
>> screened  -- I have a buddy in charge of the printing department at the
>> local university.  No go, even the new ones.
>> 
>> The difficulty is when comparisons are made between even a mid-range DSLR
>> and the phone camera.  Without fail the reviewers use the "package" lens on
>> the DSLR with is barely good enough to call glorified junk.  Optimized for
>> long zoom range, very small aperature (I've seen f4 to f6.3), would be
>> unusable on a film camera unless you were on a white sand beach in bright
>> sunlight.  Horrible distortion, the small aperature causes low light
>> sensitivity (one fourth of the light per area of the phone camera) and
>> typically far less post processing (or none, if you have a decent camera.
>> 
>> A real comparison would be the f1.8 35mm "normal" lens on the DLSR, or
>> better the f2.8 Macro lens.  Flat field, amazing corner sharpness stopped
>> down a bit, little or no distortion, all the things the fixed focal length
>> fixed aperature phone camera lens gives you, plus the far larger area for
>> each pixel set on the sensor.
>> 
>> Costs a bit more (a LOT more for the lenses, sadly), but if you are going
>> to do anything more than share pics on the phone, use a DSLR.  You can even
>> get one today for about $1500 that gives you ALMOST the resolution of a
>> 35mm anything with a normal lens and Plus-X film if you have bright light.
>> Otherwise it's more like Tri-X
>> 
>> I will probably never be able to afford a digital camera with the
>> resolution and contrast I could easily get with an Olympus OM-1, the f 1.8
>> 50mm normal lens, and either Pan F or Agfapan 25..  And I won't mention
>> Kodak Tech pan or microfilm.
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> 
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>> 
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
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>> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

Very true - I keep telling my kids to use the real camera instead of the
phone, well two of them have DSLRs and use them frequently. I am
continually surprised by the quality of the images from the Nikon D750 -
not the most pixels, and not the most expensive, but very good. My printer
only goes to 13' x 19" - and it's the equal of most of my film prints in
that range. No, I didn't get the package with the base lens - and I can use
all of my old Nikon film camera lenses, just without the automation. I can
still adjust the aperture and focus it. I do miss the anti-vibration
feature of the DSLR lenses in low light though.


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> I'm always amused by the notion that cell phone or iPad cameras are
> great.  They are not, really, although to do good snapshot photos.
>
> The reason the "work" well is that the lens is a 7 element, multicoated
> PLASTIC molding with an opening of f2.  Plenty of light on the teeny tiny
> sensor with itsy bitsy optical elements, plus a ton of post image
> processing that usually boosts saturation and contrast.
>
> Enlarge them very much and the quality drops off very quickly, and they
> cannot be used to produce offset prints, the image goes to much when it's
> screened  -- I have a buddy in charge of the printing department at the
> local university.  No go, even the new ones.
>
> The difficulty is when comparisons are made between even a mid-range DSLR
> and the phone camera.  Without fail the reviewers use the "package" lens on
> the DSLR with is barely good enough to call glorified junk.  Optimized for
> long zoom range, very small aperature (I've seen f4 to f6.3), would be
> unusable on a film camera unless you were on a white sand beach in bright
> sunlight.  Horrible distortion, the small aperature causes low light
> sensitivity (one fourth of the light per area of the phone camera) and
> typically far less post processing (or none, if you have a decent camera.
>
> A real comparison would be the f1.8 35mm "normal" lens on the DLSR, or
> better the f2.8 Macro lens.  Flat field, amazing corner sharpness stopped
> down a bit, little or no distortion, all the things the fixed focal length
> fixed aperature phone camera lens gives you, plus the far larger area for
> each pixel set on the sensor.
>
> Costs a bit more (a LOT more for the lenses, sadly), but if you are going
> to do anything more than share pics on the phone, use a DSLR.  You can even
> get one today for about $1500 that gives you ALMOST the resolution of a
> 35mm anything with a normal lens and Plus-X film if you have bright light.
> Otherwise it's more like Tri-X
>
> I will probably never be able to afford a digital camera with the
> resolution and contrast I could easily get with an Olympus OM-1, the f 1.8
> 50mm normal lens, and either Pan F or Agfapan 25..  And I won't mention
> Kodak Tech pan or microfilm.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: DON'T FIX THE IPHONE

I’ve got over 10,000 images in iPhoto and Aperture, all stored on a RAID in RAW 
(NEF) format. Both original and edited images are stored on backup. Never had a 
problem, but have heard of people who did. Because I have my image files stored 
in a separate library I don’t sweat it, as I can always get the original image 
if I need it.

-D

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> Do NOT, under any circumstances, ever put photos in iPhoto -- never heard 
> anything good about that program.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Whale Oil and Castor Oil: was: Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

Wrong. The Caddy would get nearly 20 mpg on the highway. Low to mid teens 
around town, but it sipped fuel for a 5,000 pound car on the highway.

-D


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> Probably the main reason the Caddy tended to get 10 mpg while the Chrysler 
> Imperial got 25.
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[MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

I'm always amused by the notion that cell phone or iPad cameras are great.  
They are not, really, although to do good snapshot photos.

The reason the "work" well is that the lens is a 7 element, multicoated PLASTIC 
molding with an opening of f2.  Plenty of light on the teeny tiny sensor with 
itsy bitsy optical elements, plus a ton of post image processing that usually 
boosts saturation and contrast.  

Enlarge them very much and the quality drops off very quickly, and they cannot 
be used to produce offset prints, the image goes to much when it's screened  -- 
I have a buddy in charge of the printing department at the local university.  
No go, even the new ones.

The difficulty is when comparisons are made between even a mid-range DSLR and 
the phone camera.  Without fail the reviewers use the "package" lens on the 
DSLR with is barely good enough to call glorified junk.  Optimized for long 
zoom range, very small aperature (I've seen f4 to f6.3), would be unusable on a 
film camera unless you were on a white sand beach in bright sunlight.  Horrible 
distortion, the small aperature causes low light sensitivity (one fourth of the 
light per area of the phone camera) and typically far less post processing (or 
none, if you have a decent camera.

A real comparison would be the f1.8 35mm "normal" lens on the DLSR, or better 
the f2.8 Macro lens.  Flat field, amazing corner sharpness stopped down a bit, 
little or no distortion, all the things the fixed focal length fixed aperature 
phone camera lens gives you, plus the far larger area for each pixel set on the 
sensor.

Costs a bit more (a LOT more for the lenses, sadly), but if you are going to do 
anything more than share pics on the phone, use a DSLR.  You can even get one 
today for about $1500 that gives you ALMOST the resolution of a 35mm anything 
with a normal lens and Plus-X film if you have bright light.  Otherwise it's 
more like Tri-X

I will probably never be able to afford a digital camera with the resolution 
and contrast I could easily get with an Olympus OM-1, the f 1.8 50mm normal 
lens, and either Pan F or Agfapan 25..  And I won't mention Kodak Tech pan 
or microfilm.
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Re: [MBZ] On the trail of the E300D's electrical drain ...

2019-08-09 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

9, and the fuse right next to it which I think is F.
-- 
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On August 9, 2019 6:50:29 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes  
wrote:
>
>What fuses do you pull?
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: DON'T FIX THE IPHONE

Do NOT, under any circumstances, ever put photos in iPhoto -- never heard 
anything good about that program.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Whale Oil and Castor Oil: was: Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

Probably the main reason the Caddy tended to get 10 mpg while the Chrysler 
Imperial got 25.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: DON'T FIX THE IPHONE

I don't use the iPoo for email, it's just my phone and "always with me" camera.

I was thinking I needed iTurds or iClowns to take files off the phone with the 
cable, I'll try that next. 
That wasn't so bad. 
I plugged it in, browsed the camera directory, and copied it all in seconds. 
But to do just one photo it would have been much quicker and easier if the 
phone had functional bluetooth or wifi file transfer capability. 
Mitch. 

> On August 9, 2019 at 8:16 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> 
> 
> You’re doing it all wrong.
> 
> If you’ve got email set up on the iPad, all you have to do when taking a 
> picture is to click on the “share” icon and you’ll get a list of ways you can 
> shre it. Email will be a choice as will messaging and any other means you 
> have set up on the iPad to communicate with another device.
> 
> This is assuming you’ve paired your iPad to the PC.
> 
> Another option is to use the charging (USB) cable for the iPad and plug it 
> into your PC.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Aug 9, 2019, at 8:08 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > One of the reasons I bought an iPoo four months ago was it had a really 
> > nice camera. 
> > Today I took a picture I wanted to email to a friend. 
> > Just need to Bluetooth it to my PC so I can email it...
> > WTF? There's no option to 'share to bleutooth"???
> > 
> > Oh, I see, to do it the Apple Way™, I need to buy a $2000 MacBook and fire 
> > up the Airdrop program. Obviously that's much easier than selecting 'send 
> > to bluetooth'. 
> > 
> > So now I have 4 months worth of pictures on a device that doesn't have an 
> > external memory card slot, and that Apple doesn't want me to be able to 
> > export out of the Apple Universe™.
> > 
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: DON'T FIX THE IPHONE

You’re doing it all wrong.

If you’ve got email set up on the iPad, all you have to do when taking a 
picture is to click on the “share” icon and you’ll get a list of ways you can 
shre it. Email will be a choice as will messaging and any other means you have 
set up on the iPad to communicate with another device.

This is assuming you’ve paired your iPad to the PC.

Another option is to use the charging (USB) cable for the iPad and plug it into 
your PC.

-D


> On Aug 9, 2019, at 8:08 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> One of the reasons I bought an iPoo four months ago was it had a really nice 
> camera. 
> Today I took a picture I wanted to email to a friend. 
> Just need to Bluetooth it to my PC so I can email it...
> WTF? There's no option to 'share to bleutooth"???
> 
> Oh, I see, to do it the Apple Way™, I need to buy a $2000 MacBook and fire up 
> the Airdrop program. Obviously that's much easier than selecting 'send to 
> bluetooth'. 
> 
> So now I have 4 months worth of pictures on a device that doesn't have an 
> external memory card slot, and that Apple doesn't want me to be able to 
> export out of the Apple Universe™.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: DON'T FIX THE IPHONE


One of the reasons I bought an iPoo four months ago was it had a really nice 
camera. 
Today I took a picture I wanted to email to a friend. 
Just need to Bluetooth it to my PC so I can email it...
WTF? There's no option to 'share to bleutooth"???

Oh, I see, to do it the Apple Way™, I need to buy a $2000 MacBook and fire up 
the Airdrop program. Obviously that's much easier than selecting 'send to 
bluetooth'. 

So now I have 4 months worth of pictures on a device that doesn't have an 
external memory card slot, and that Apple doesn't want me to be able to export 
out of the Apple Universe™.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] This was weird, or maybe not

So does my SL500. The systems were IR until 98, I think, when they changed to 
RF.

Again, if the emitter is weak or the receivers are not working well, or their 
plastic lenses are cloudy, it won’t work from a distance of any kind, or in the 
sunlight.

-D


> On Aug 9, 2019, at 6:47 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This one has an IR emitter you aim at these sensors on the door and trunk 
> lock area, each of those has the red/green indicators to show un/locking.  It 
> is a 600!  So it has to be more complicated!
> 
> -_FT
> 
> On 8/9/19 4:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> The key has an RFC chip in it, the battery shouldn’t have any effect on it’s 
>> ability to start. Same reason why a “Mickey Mouse” key will start and run 
>> the car as well.
>> 
>> Just for grins, try the remote at each door and the trunk in the dark. I say 
>> that because my 1997 SL500 fob won’t work in the daylight, but will in the 
>> dark. I can only assume that something has weakened the fob (this is with 
>> brand new batteries) or the system isn’t as sensitive as it used to be.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2019, at 4:11 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Last week I thought I had locked the SL with the IR remote that shines at 
>>> receivers on the doors and trunk.  They have red and green lights that 
>>> blink red when it locks, green when it unlocks. I have noticed that the 
>>> lights don't all work, a green on one, a red on another, I think neither on 
>>> the trunk, and sometimes the key remote won't activate different lock 
>>> receivers.  Maybe the batteries are getting low in the remotes, I'll have 
>>> to check them.  These fobs have a key that flips out of a rectangular 
>>> housing when you push a little button, then a larger button to work the 
>>> remote signal.
>>> 
>>> So I went to get in the car, hit the remote button aimed at the driver 
>>> door, then got in.  Tried to start the car, no go.  Ugh. Finally got out 
>>> and fiddled with the battery cables, tightened them, whatever.  Then it 
>>> started OK.  Same thing happened Wed evening, fooled with the battery, 
>>> still no go.  I know the battery is good so it was confusing.  So for some 
>>> reason I tried the remote again at the driver door, which was open, and 
>>> then tried to start the car and bingo it worked.  So I am trying to figure 
>>> out if the door receiver is funky, or the key, or what.  i guess first 
>>> thing is to change key battery.
>>> 
>>> I guess this must be some immobilizer feature, ignition is disabled if the 
>>> locks are locked, although the driver door did not seem to be locking which 
>>> is why I could open it even though the car thought it was locked.
>>> 
>>> This thing gives me fits!
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Whale Oil and Castor Oil: was: Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

That would be the “Jetaway 200”. Had one in my 1962 Cadillac Fleetwood.

-D


> On Aug 9, 2019, at 7:47 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Whale oil was used in the transmission, specifically GM Hydramatics and 
> derivatives as a friction modifier and anti-oxidant.
> 
> Not as much of an issue in Ford and Chrysler trannies as they used higher 
> operating pressures with far less slip, and never had fluid couplings -- the 
> old Dual Range Hydramatic had TWO fluid couplings that could be clutched in 
> or out -- high slip and low slip.  A torque converter eliminates that issue, 
> and about 200 lbs.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Whale Oil and Castor Oil: was: Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

Whale oil was used in the transmission, specifically GM Hydramatics and 
derivatives as a friction modifier and anti-oxidant.

Not as much of an issue in Ford and Chrysler trannies as they used higher 
operating pressures with far less slip, and never had fluid couplings -- the 
old Dual Range Hydramatic had TWO fluid couplings that could be clutched in or 
out -- high slip and low slip.  A torque converter eliminates that issue, and 
about 200 lbs.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

I think that's backwards -- 5W-40 is a 5 wt oil at cold temps that retains the 
viscosity of a 40W oil at high temps.  Dino oils thin dramatically with 
temperature (as does honey!), so while a 5W oil would be fine when you start, 
it will not lubricate and full engine temp
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Re: [MBZ] OT: DON'T FIX THE IPHONE

This is hardly new -- Jobs insisted that the cases on the Mac be nearly 
impossible to open so he could charge a huge amount to install the memory 
needed to run the OS.

"Tech" has always been about fleecing the customer, at least as long as I've 
know about it.  Ross Perot got rich selling software that erased all the 
database data (permanently) if the customer didn't update their software 
annually at huge expense.  I remember computer science types complaining about 
it in the 70's.  Eventually the courts decided it was illegal, the data was NOT 
the property of the computer program seller, but the property of the user, and 
had to be preserved, and that "mandatory updates" were extortion, which they 
are.



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Re: [MBZ] On the trail of the E300D's electrical drain ...

On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 16:06:42 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> My 124 wagon came with the alarm disconnected, my '95 sedan still has an
> operational alarm, although it will drain the battery if it sits for a
> couple of weeks.  I just pull fuses or disconnect the battery if I know
> I'm going to let that car sit.

What fuses do you pull?


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Re: [MBZ] This was weird, or maybe not

This one has an IR emitter you aim at these sensors on the door and 
trunk lock area, each of those has the red/green indicators to show 
un/locking.  It is a 600!  So it has to be more complicated!


-_FT

On 8/9/19 4:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

The key has an RFC chip in it, the battery shouldn’t have any effect on it’s 
ability to start. Same reason why a “Mickey Mouse” key will start and run the 
car as well.

Just for grins, try the remote at each door and the trunk in the dark. I say 
that because my 1997 SL500 fob won’t work in the daylight, but will in the 
dark. I can only assume that something has weakened the fob (this is with brand 
new batteries) or the system isn’t as sensitive as it used to be.

-D



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wrote:

Last week I thought I had locked the SL with the IR remote that shines at 
receivers on the doors and trunk.  They have red and green lights that blink 
red when it locks, green when it unlocks. I have noticed that the lights don't 
all work, a green on one, a red on another, I think neither on the trunk, and 
sometimes the key remote won't activate different lock receivers.  Maybe the 
batteries are getting low in the remotes, I'll have to check them.  These fobs 
have a key that flips out of a rectangular housing when you push a little 
button, then a larger button to work the remote signal.

So I went to get in the car, hit the remote button aimed at the driver door, 
then got in.  Tried to start the car, no go.  Ugh. Finally got out and fiddled 
with the battery cables, tightened them, whatever.  Then it started OK.  Same 
thing happened Wed evening, fooled with the battery, still no go.  I know the 
battery is good so it was confusing.  So for some reason I tried the remote 
again at the driver door, which was open, and then tried to start the car and 
bingo it worked.  So I am trying to figure out if the door receiver is funky, 
or the key, or what.  i guess first thing is to change key battery.

I guess this must be some immobilizer feature, ignition is disabled if the 
locks are locked, although the driver door did not seem to be locking which is 
why I could open it even though the car thought it was locked.

This thing gives me fits!

--
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[MBZ] OT: Whale Oil and Castor Oil: was: Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

2019-08-09 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

> > Curt wrote:
> > I still don't think you understand how the 5w part of the rating
> > works. It's a 40w oil that resists thickening when it's cold.

> Fmiser wrote:
> Other way around.  It's a 5w oil that doesn't thin as much as it
> gets hot. Until the VI breaks down and it becomes a 5W oil.
> Admittedly not prone to happening without longer drain intervals.
> > The Delvac 1 everybody used to crow about was 5w40...
> Some of the group IV synthetic oils don't even need viscosity
> improving to achieve a multi-weight rating - they are by nature
> less prone to thinning as it heats.

I wonder what the ratings and nature of the castor oil the racers of the late 
forties and early fifties was; also the (more expensive) whale oil? There was  
one or more muscle cars in later years (Chryslers?) that required whale oil 
IIRC.
When they were racing at the fairgrounds in Tampa back then, you could smell 
burning castor oil all over Hyde Park and other neighborhoods. After the races 
the castor oil had to be drained out. The racers were mostly powered by souped 
up flathead Fords and 4 cylinder Offys IIRC.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] OT who was into old printing presses and such?

2019-08-09 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

Rick Hawkins, probably down on Tybee Island this time of year?
-- 
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On August 9, 2019 9:50:13 AM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Letterpress type
>
>https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/338835237004552/
>
>$300
>
>Approximately 80 letterpress type fonts with 4 cabinets.
>
>Condition
>Used - Good
>Brand
>Letterpress

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Re: [MBZ] I shouldn't have sold my '70 280SEC 3.5

2019-08-09 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes

Yup that was a mistake! I have a friend in Greece who had two. Sold em both 
over ten years ago. Also regrets it!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 9, 2019, at 1:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It was nicer (moss green) than this one, though still not perfect.  Stupid
> money for a car that doesn't deserve it.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] hmmmm... could be simple issue?

Woman posted some more pics, looks decent.  I'm thinking this is a 
simple 722.6 electrical problem.  I might go take a look at it Sunday, 
it is about 2.5 hr away down by Savannah.


--R

On 8/9/19 11:16 AM, Floyd Thursby wrote:


Seller sez: "I was told it was the acceleration sensor- it won’t shift 
gears, just stays in first."


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2950947908279706

$700, errr $500, and new connector or conductor plate?  Barring that 
pull the $500E300 drive train...


I've asked her for some more info on general condition and some more pics

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Re: [MBZ] This was weird, or maybe not

The key has an RFC chip in it, the battery shouldn’t have any effect on it’s 
ability to start. Same reason why a “Mickey Mouse” key will start and run the 
car as well.

Just for grins, try the remote at each door and the trunk in the dark. I say 
that because my 1997 SL500 fob won’t work in the daylight, but will in the 
dark. I can only assume that something has weakened the fob (this is with brand 
new batteries) or the system isn’t as sensitive as it used to be.

-D


> On Aug 9, 2019, at 4:11 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Last week I thought I had locked the SL with the IR remote that shines at 
> receivers on the doors and trunk.  They have red and green lights that blink 
> red when it locks, green when it unlocks. I have noticed that the lights 
> don't all work, a green on one, a red on another, I think neither on the 
> trunk, and sometimes the key remote won't activate different lock receivers.  
> Maybe the batteries are getting low in the remotes, I'll have to check them.  
> These fobs have a key that flips out of a rectangular housing when you push a 
> little button, then a larger button to work the remote signal.
> 
> So I went to get in the car, hit the remote button aimed at the driver door, 
> then got in.  Tried to start the car, no go.  Ugh. Finally got out and 
> fiddled with the battery cables, tightened them, whatever.  Then it started 
> OK.  Same thing happened Wed evening, fooled with the battery, still no go.  
> I know the battery is good so it was confusing.  So for some reason I tried 
> the remote again at the driver door, which was open, and then tried to start 
> the car and bingo it worked.  So I am trying to figure out if the door 
> receiver is funky, or the key, or what.  i guess first thing is to change key 
> battery.
> 
> I guess this must be some immobilizer feature, ignition is disabled if the 
> locks are locked, although the driver door did not seem to be locking which 
> is why I could open it even though the car thought it was locked.
> 
> This thing gives me fits!
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[MBZ] This was weird, or maybe not

Last week I thought I had locked the SL with the IR remote that shines 
at receivers on the doors and trunk.  They have red and green lights 
that blink red when it locks, green when it unlocks. I have noticed that 
the lights don't all work, a green on one, a red on another, I think 
neither on the trunk, and sometimes the key remote won't activate 
different lock receivers.  Maybe the batteries are getting low in the 
remotes, I'll have to check them.  These fobs have a key that flips out 
of a rectangular housing when you push a little button, then a larger 
button to work the remote signal.


So I went to get in the car, hit the remote button aimed at the driver 
door, then got in.  Tried to start the car, no go.  Ugh. Finally got out 
and fiddled with the battery cables, tightened them, whatever.  Then it 
started OK.  Same thing happened Wed evening, fooled with the battery, 
still no go.  I know the battery is good so it was confusing.  So for 
some reason I tried the remote again at the driver door, which was open, 
and then tried to start the car and bingo it worked.  So I am trying to 
figure out if the door receiver is funky, or the key, or what.  i guess 
first thing is to change key battery.


I guess this must be some immobilizer feature, ignition is disabled if 
the locks are locked, although the driver door did not seem to be 
locking which is why I could open it even though the car thought it was 
locked.


This thing gives me fits!

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Re: [MBZ] On the trail of the E300D's electrical drain ...

My 124 wagon came with the alarm disconnected, my '95 sedan still has an
operational alarm, although it will drain the battery if it sits for a
couple of weeks.  I just pull fuses or disconnect the battery if I know I'm
going to let that car sit.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:35 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 09:22:06 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > The red connector is for the SRS / Airbags, so don't touch that one.
> >
> > I would start with the two on the far left side, unplug both of those
> > and see if the central locking system still works.  If yes, then check
> > to see if the current drain behavior has been fixed.
>
> Thanks, Max.
>
> I thought, with so many saying, "disconnect the alarm," someone would
> have done it and know exactly how to do it.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]


On 8/9/19 10:00 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

You don't understand or don't trust the winter viscosity rating.
There is NOTHING WRONG with 0W or 5W oil in our old indirect injection engines.
Let's start with 15W50 M1.
At 100°C, its viscosity is 18 cSt.
If we could make an oil that was 18 cSt at 100C and 18 cSt at 0C, we'd have the 
perfect oil.
But, alas, at 40°, its viscosity is 125, and at -20C, it's over 3000.

Now let's look at 5W30 M1.
At 100C, it's 11.0, thinner than we want, but any thicker and they can't rate 
it as SAE30.
At 40C, its 62, which is thicker than we want, but thinner than 15W50.

So, we see that the best way to choose is to follow the MBZ manual, with a W 
rating acceptable at the lowest temp we'll park the car in and the 2nd number 
acceptable at the warmest temp we'll drive in. For an OM-617, I believe the big 
number is going to be 40-50 in all but the freezing weather, and 20W is 
acceptable above 0°C IIRC (check your manual, my memory isn't perfect).

The historical fear of low W-rated oil is well founded.
If I used 1979 era 10W40 in my 116.120 and drove through Arizona in July at 
90mph, it might turn into 10W10, or at best 10W15. 10W40 oils were famous for 
thermal breakdown of the VI improvers, expecially in motorcycles, lawn movers, 
and turbocharged cars. In 1979, M1 5W30 (the only grade available) was far 
superior to any dino 10W40 in a 617.950, because it stayed SAE30 at high temp. 
By 1986, we could buy M1 15W50 with the red stripe on the can.



On August 8, 2019 at 10:18 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
Zackly!  The OM 616/617 trace their original design to the OM 621, which
first appeared in ~1958.  The actual design work is ~70 years old.  No
5w-x is appropriate for these engines.  It is not appropriate, and not
approved.  Original oils were single weight.   10W-40 was approved in
the late OM621s, (wnen it became available) and then for the OM 615, 616
and 617.  For engines with in excess of 200k kliks, (120K miles) 15w-50
works well.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: WTF is Boeing on?

2019-08-09 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

Just when you start to relax after the anal probe by TSA at flight check
in, the Captain announces on the intercom the airplane is under control of
deep web hackers and we are being flown into a mountain at Mach .9 ...
please put your seats and tray tables in the upright position...

Investigator: "How did they all die?"
Answer: "Multiple mistakes were made in computer programming."
Perhaps that would make a suitable headstone for the mass grave

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 5:23 AM archer75--- via Mercedes <
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>
>
> WTF is Boeing on? Not just customer databases lying around on the web. 787
> jetliner code, too, security bugs and all
> Fears of cyber-hijackings? That's plane crazy, says Dreamliner maker
>
> A Black Hat presentation on how to potentially hijack a 787 – by
> exploiting bugs found in internal code left lying around on a public-facing
> server – was last night slammed as "irresponsible and misleading" by Boeing.
>
> At the hacking conference in Las Vegas on Wednesday, Ruben Santamarta,
> principal security consultant at pen-testing biz IOActive, told attendees
> he had found holes in software used in a computer network aboard the
> jetliners.
>
> It is important to note here that there are essentially three electronic
> networks on a 787: the first is home to non-critical stuff like the
> in-flight entertainment system; the second is used by slightly more
> important applications reserved for crew and maintenance teams; and the
> third is used by the vital avionics gear that controls the airplane's
> flight and reads its sensors.
>
> The software Santamarta probed – a crew information service – lives in the
> second network. He suggested it may be possible to exploit holes in, say,
> the in-flight entertainment system on the first network to access the
> adjoining second network where one could abuse the flaws he found in the
> crew information software to then reach into the adjoining third network.
> Once there, one could tap into the avionics equipment to hijack the 787, in
> theory.
>
> Boeing, however, insists the software on the second network cannot be
> exploited as IOActive described, nor can a miscreant direct the avionics
> from other networks, due to restrictions in place, such as hardware filters
> that only allow data to flow between networks rather than instructions or
> commands. El Reg quietly hopes the avionics can't be taken over by
> malformed data that triggers vulnerabilities within the flight control
> systems on the third network.
> 'Limited'
>
> During his talk, Santamarta acknowledged he had no way of proving he could
> actually commandeer the flight control systems via the holes he found in
> the crew-facing software. For one thing, he couldn’t persuade Boeing to let
> him loose on a real passenger jet.
>
> “We have confirmed the vulnerabilities, but not that they are exploitable,
> so we are presenting why we think they are,” he said. “We have got very
> limited data, so it’s impossible to say if the mitigation factors Boeing
> say they have work. We offer them our assistance.”
>
> The Register spoke to Boeing engineers to get their side of the story.
> They told us work-in-progress software destined for the 787 was stored on a
> server belonging to the aircraft manufacturer's research and development
> labs. This box had been, like so many databases and other systems recently,
> accidentally left open to the internet, which isn't particularly wise.
> Boeing's eggheads were alerted to the exposed machine by someone who wasn’t
> from IOActive, we're told, suggesting God-only-knows how many people found
> the thing.
> Boeing 737-Max 9 on Shutterstock
> Another rewrite for 737 Max software as cosmic bit-flipping tests glitch
> out systems – report
> READ MORE
>
> According to IOActive, in September, Santamarta stumbled upon the software
> on the server, while it was exposed to the web, using a Google search. He
> set to work studying the materials, eventually finding a bunch of bugs that
> could be exploited to achieve arbitrary code execution in the crew
> information application.
>
> Boeing's engineers claimed to us they first knew of IOActive’s
> investigation into the leaked code when Black Hat's organizers published
> the conference schedule some months ago, revealing that a talk was due to
> take place on hacking 787 aircraft. According to the techies, IOActive had
> contacted the crew information software's external developer, Honeywell,
> about its findings, and not Boeing. IOActive categorically denied this to
> us, and said it spoke to the Dreamliner maker directly about its
> discoveries.
>
> In any case, a Boeing engineer told us the bugs in the software have been
> ironed out, and even if they were present, it would not be possible to
> hijack the avionics network from another network anyway. Once Boeing was
> aware of the nature of the programming blunders in the Honeywell software
> found by Santamarta, the manufacturer

Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

I went out for a beer and bite with a buddy the other evening, he is a 
retired USAir pilot.  We were talking about this sort of thing, I made 
the point that pilots have a vested interest in it as they are usually 
the first ones at the scene, being in the very pointy end of the 
airplane.  He laughed and agreed.


--FT

On 8/8/19 10:03 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

There I fixed it:

And therein is the problem with software trying to run airplanes.    I 
prefer a
real, experienced pilot to get to the destination intact rather than 
becoming

human sausage packed in a tube impacted into the earth.



Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote on 8/7/19 11:54 PM:
Well said.  The good news is Uncle Sam has a pipeline to develop 
pilots with skill, experience, and intuition.  Other countries, not 
so much.



-Original Message-
From:  Curley McLain via Mercedes

And therein is the problem with software trying to run airplanes.    
I prefer a
real, experienced pilot to get to the destination intact rather than 
becoming

human sausage packed in a tube.






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[MBZ] I shouldn't have sold my '70 280SEC 3.5

2019-08-09 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

It was nicer (moss green) than this one, though still not perfect.  Stupid
money for a car that doesn't deserve it.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-mercedes-benz-280se-3-5-3/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2019-08-08
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Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

2019-08-09 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes

AK Governor Dunleavy went on a budget gutting spree.  Told each selected agency 
how much he wanted them to cut their spending.  The university system spent 
their time sniveling in hopes somehow the cash would magically show up.  It did 
not.  Now the three universities are having to come under one umbrella, which 
will slash admin by reducing replication.  Also there should be a stark pruning 
of ineffective programs and lecturers.  Belt tightening on a good scale.  

All because the schools could not graduate much more than 17% of their 
population in a reasonable amount of time.  Or, really, at all.  Now maybe the 
supported programs will be of use to the economy of that state, instead of 
churning out liberal arts students who would be better served in the lower 48.  
There are not enough coffee shoppes or carts to support the less technical 
students anyway

clay monroe

> I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm 
> looking for didn't fall out.

> On Aug 8, 2019, at 7:20 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Peter Frederick via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> In my experience, the reason American companies have such huge
>> overhead costs is due to too many management people who know too
>> little and spend far too much time doing everything but running their
>> operations.  "up or out", "internal competition", and similar
>> backstabbing systems replace actual teamwork, and wooden heads abound,
>> driving all the smart and capable young bright people off.
> 
> This phenomenon is seen at educational insitutions as well. Compare the
> administrative staff count of any university from 20 or 30 years ago to
> that of today. The bloat is huge.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

2019-08-09 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> Curt wrote:

> I still don't think you understand how the 5w part of the rating
> works. It's a 40w oil that resists thickening when it's cold. 

Other way around.  It's a 5w oil that doesn't thin as much as it
gets hot. Until the VI breaks down and it becomes a 5W oil.
Admittedly not prone to happening without longer drain intervals.

> The Delvac 1 everybody used to crow about was 5w40...

Some of the group IV synthetic oils don't even need viscosity
improving to achieve a multi-weight rating - they are by nature
less prone to thinning as it heats.

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Re: [MBZ] Interesting discussion on this nice 300SD

Nice, but $19k plus BAT fees seems excessive. 
Should we do a wagering pool on how much he'll lose in the sale?
Mitch. 

> On August 9, 2019 at 10:17 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Looks like someone bought it now selling it again.  Nice car though.
> 
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1981-mercedes-benz-300sd-8/

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Re: [MBZ] hmmmm... could be simple issue?


> On August 9, 2019 at 11:16 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> $700, errr $500, and new connector or conductor plate?  Barring that 
> pull the $500E300 drive train...

Whatever it is (I don't do failbook), if it's a 722.6, it's in 2nd, not first, 
and almost surely electrical trouble.

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Re: [MBZ] On the trail of the E300D's electrical drain ...

On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 09:22:06 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The red connector is for the SRS / Airbags, so don't touch that one.
> 
> I would start with the two on the far left side, unplug both of those
> and see if the central locking system still works.  If yes, then check
> to see if the current drain behavior has been fixed.

Thanks, Max.

I thought, with so many saying, "disconnect the alarm," someone would
have done it and know exactly how to do it.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] the car is not for sale

2019-08-09 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


On 09/08/2019 8:54 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

I'm having a hard time understanding this

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2383114491958669/


simple - you cannot buy the whole car - he wants to sell parts


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Aviation Technology

Fun read!
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 7:09 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Recent patent activity raises questions about current military technology:
>
>
>
> <
> https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29232/navys-advanced-aerospace-tech-boss-claims-key-ufo-patent-is-operable
> >
>
>
>
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[MBZ] hmmmm... could be simple issue?

Seller sez: "I was told it was the acceleration sensor- it won’t shift 
gears, just stays in first."


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2950947908279706

$700, errr $500, and new connector or conductor plate?  Barring that 
pull the $500E300 drive train...


I've asked her for some more info on general condition and some more pics

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Re: [MBZ] Lifter Noise

2019-08-09 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes

Excellent. I was thinking along those lines as well, not quite that vividly, 
but 15 w 40 is going in shortly and I will be listening for lifter Noise. 

Thanks to all. Nothing is quite as invigorating as a good oil thread.   

Bob R

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 8, 2019, at 11:20 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Since you described the problem, I did several searches on the internet.
> Based on the search results, it seems hydraulic lifters are a known issue
> failure point for the engine, or at least one that is sensitive to oil
> viscosity and wear, as a combination.
> So, my thoughts are, based on what you've mentioned so far.
> A. The car had a sludge oil system when you got it, with previous owner
> going long interval on changes and unknown oil types.
> B. Based on search results, lifter wear seems to happen early and easily.
> C. Sludged up oil system closed up lifter parts clearences. "Gunk Seal"
> D. You changed oil on short cycles to "clean up the system".
> E. Fresh clean oil carried away the "Gunk Seal" and lifters failed to
> "prime and pump up and hold hydraulic pressure" due to:
>a. Wear, or
>b. Use of a low viscosity oil for oil change, ie 5w30... perhaps..
>c. Both, wear and light oil.
> 
> Suggestion: Drop the oil and refill with 15 w 40 diesel oil that meets
> Mercedes spec, start and run to operating temps use a stethoscope to
> listen along the rocker arm / valve cover and the lifter area to locate a
> loose lifter, if you still have a rattle issue.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 8:43 PM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 19:51:11 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I change them every oil change.
>> 
>> Are we talking about the same rubber (viton?) o-rings?
>> These are about 1/4" in diameter.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 8, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
  wrote:
 
 Craig, I'm pretty sure they are the same part number.
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> On August 8, 2019 6:45:55 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> The part number for the OM61x o-rings is 015 997 94 48.
> 
> I don't have the part number for OM60x o-rings yet.
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[MBZ] Interesting discussion on this nice 300SD


Looks like someone bought it now selling it again.  Nice car though.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1981-mercedes-benz-300sd-8/

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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

You don't understand or don't trust the winter viscosity rating.
There is NOTHING WRONG with 0W or 5W oil in our old indirect injection engines.
Let's start with 15W50 M1.
At 100°C, its viscosity is 18 cSt.
If we could make an oil that was 18 cSt at 100C and 18 cSt at 0C, we'd have the 
perfect oil. 
But, alas, at 40°, its viscosity is 125, and at -20C, it's over 3000.

Now let's look at 5W30 M1.
At 100C, it's 11.0, thinner than we want, but any thicker and they can't rate 
it as SAE30.
At 40C, its 62, which is thicker than we want, but thinner than 15W50.

So, we see that the best way to choose is to follow the MBZ manual, with a W 
rating acceptable at the lowest temp we'll park the car in and the 2nd number 
acceptable at the warmest temp we'll drive in. For an OM-617, I believe the big 
number is going to be 40-50 in all but the freezing weather, and 20W is 
acceptable above 0°C IIRC (check your manual, my memory isn't perfect).

The historical fear of low W-rated oil is well founded. 
If I used 1979 era 10W40 in my 116.120 and drove through Arizona in July at 
90mph, it might turn into 10W10, or at best 10W15. 10W40 oils were famous for 
thermal breakdown of the VI improvers, expecially in motorcycles, lawn movers, 
and turbocharged cars. In 1979, M1 5W30 (the only grade available) was far 
superior to any dino 10W40 in a 617.950, because it stayed SAE30 at high temp. 
By 1986, we could buy M1 15W50 with the red stripe on the can. 

> On August 8, 2019 at 10:18 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> Zackly!  The OM 616/617 trace their original design to the OM 621, which 
> first appeared in ~1958.  The actual design work is ~70 years old.  No 
> 5w-x is appropriate for these engines.  It is not appropriate, and not 
> approved.  Original oils were single weight.   10W-40 was approved in 
> the late OM621s, (wnen it became available) and then for the OM 615, 616 
> and 617.  For engines with in excess of 200k kliks, (120K miles) 15w-50 
> works well.

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[MBZ] the car is not for sale


I'm having a hard time understanding this

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2383114491958669/

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[MBZ] OT who was into old printing presses and such?


Letterpress type

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/338835237004552/

$300

Approximately 80 letterpress type fonts with 4 cabinets.

Condition
Used - Good
Brand
Letterpress

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[MBZ] TOUGHNUT


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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

2019-08-09 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

I still don't think you understand how the 5w part of the rating works. It's a 
40w oil that resists thickening when it's cold. At 100C it's much thinner than 
it is when cold after all.
The Delvac 1 everybody used to crow about was 5w40...

Curt

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  On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 10:19 PM, Curley McLain via 
Mercedes wrote:   Zackly!  The OM 616/617 trace their 
original design to the OM 621, which 
first appeared in ~1958.  The actual design work is ~70 years old.  No 
5w-x is appropriate for these engines.  It is not appropriate, and not 
approved.  Original oils were single weight.   10W-40 was approved in 
the late OM621s, (wnen it became available) and then for the OM 615, 616 
and 617.  For engines with in excess of 200k kliks, (120K miles) 15w-50 
works well.

OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 8/8/19 10:19 AM:
> The tolerances are different in an engine designed for a minimum 15 or20
> weight oil vs one designed for 5 weight oil. Use the oil that was
> recommended when the engine was produced. Because an oil meets the current
> MB spec for the current engines does not mean that it is appropriate for an
> engine designed 40 years ago, before the existence of 5w oils.
>
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Re: [MBZ] On the trail of the E300D's electrical drain ...

The red connector is for the SRS / Airbags, so don't touch that one.

I would start with the two on the far left side, unplug both of those and
see if the central locking system still works.  If yes, then check to see
if the current drain behavior has been fixed.
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Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 5:28 PM Craig via Mercedes 
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> On Thu, 08 Aug 2019 11:16:23 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > On my '95, which I suspect is similar, the alarm system would be my
> > first guess.  The current drain cycling like that tells me the alarm
> > system is checking which monitored thing is not right like an open
> > hood, open door, open trunk, key in ignition, doors not locked, and
> > after awhile it decides to stop checking and goes to low power state.
> > Note this is all speculation, I haven't actually researched this.
>
> Thank you, Max, for your input.
>
> I connected up the trouble lamp again this morning and noticed the
> behavior had changed. I saw the familiar bright-dim, but then after a
> while dim it repeated the bright-dim. It continued going bright for a
> short time and then going dim for a longer as long as the trouble lamp
> was connected.
>
> I then went to the fuse box and disconnected each fuse, one at at time.
> The only one which interrupted the lamp was fuse 9. When that was
> disconnected, the lamp was extinguished.
>
>
> > Maybe disconnect the alarm system under the passenger footwell cover
> > and see if that fixes it?
>
> I had earlier closed the trunk (that helped a lot!). I pushed the
> hood-open button, but that made no change.
>
> Just now I opened the trunk and the front passenger-side door to take
> pictures and then closed them. Now, the trouble lamp goes bright once
> and then stays dim continuously.
>
> I hate it when things change like that!
>
> I removed the carpet and shield from the front passenger footwell and
> found what is shown in the attached pictures.
>
> There are five connectors, four of which are connected.
>
> Which connector do I remove?
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Surprise might be an emotion you feel