Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

No that’s not the end of the story because the emissions from a Tesla are not 
zero! Electricity generation causes emissions. Period, end of story! Ok now 
that’s the end of the story!

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> On Oct 10, 2019, at 11:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Of course this propaganda totally misses the point. The emissions from the
> Tesla are zero. Mission from any diesel are nonzero. End of story.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 7:43 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Better send the EMTs for his heart attack.   Or as bernie sez:  Cardiac
>> infarction.
>> 
>> G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 10/10/19 3:36 PM:
>>> Quick, someone send an intervention team to assist Andrew in processing
>>> this.
>>> [Nothing personal, I just haven't pissed him off for a few days.] ;}}}
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Of course this propaganda totally misses the point. The emissions from the
Tesla are zero. Mission from any diesel are nonzero. End of story.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 7:43 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> Better send the EMTs for his heart attack.   Or as bernie sez:  Cardiac
> infarction.
>
> G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 10/10/19 3:36 PM:
> > Quick, someone send an intervention team to assist Andrew in processing
> > this.
> > [Nothing personal, I just haven't pissed him off for a few days.] ;}}}
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] This Pisses Me Off

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Actually it did not get all rusty when I had it. It did leak water to the 
interior which caused it to get moldy but it never did get rusty. I did sell it 
was too cheap and lost a ton of money on that deal. It was a huge mistake on my 
part. 

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> On Oct 10, 2019, at 8:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> No worse than the 230 that Todd had and sold to Kleb. It went to Okie Acres 
> as a decent car that just needed a threaded insert in one of the spark plug 
> holes. It rusted to a junker and got sold off for far less than it had been 
> worth when it was decent.
> 
> I wanted that car but was working on coming up with the cash when it was sold 
> to Kleb.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I got really ticked because a nice 110 200D got crushed in 2001.   Guy had 
>> it for sale in MN for $5k.  I wanted it for parts.   He would not budge on 
>> price.  It was a decent car but they were not bringing 5k.   I kept calling 
>> him every so often.   The last time he said he donated it.  The place he 
>> donated it to just sold cars for scrap.  I chased it through the tow company 
>> to the crusher.  They all remembered it, but it had already been crushed.
>> 
>> The seller was a jerk.  the car deserved better.
>> 
>> Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 10/10/19 12:22 PM:
>>> I really hate when decent cars get scrapped.
>>> I guess I better get my butt in gear and pick off what I can.
>>> 
>>> https://row52.com/Vehicle/Index/WDBAB53AXFA26867
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] This Pisses Me Off

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No worse than the 230 that Todd had and sold to Kleb. It went to Okie Acres as 
a decent car that just needed a threaded insert in one of the spark plug holes. 
It rusted to a junker and got sold off for far less than it had been worth when 
it was decent.

I wanted that car but was working on coming up with the cash when it was sold 
to Kleb.

-D


> On Oct 10, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I got really ticked because a nice 110 200D got crushed in 2001.   Guy had it 
> for sale in MN for $5k.  I wanted it for parts.   He would not budge on 
> price.  It was a decent car but they were not bringing 5k.   I kept calling 
> him every so often.   The last time he said he donated it.  The place he 
> donated it to just sold cars for scrap.  I chased it through the tow company 
> to the crusher.  They all remembered it, but it had already been crushed.
> 
> The seller was a jerk.  the car deserved better.
> 
> Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 10/10/19 12:22 PM:
>> I really hate when decent cars get scrapped.
>> I guess I better get my butt in gear and pick off what I can.
>> 
>> https://row52.com/Vehicle/Index/WDBAB53AXFA26867
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] This Pisses Me Off

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I got really ticked because a nice 110 200D got crushed in 2001.   Guy 
had it for sale in MN for $5k.  I wanted it for parts.   He would not 
budge on price.  It was a decent car but they were not bringing 5k.   I 
kept calling him every so often.   The last time he said he donated it.  
The place he donated it to just sold cars for scrap.  I chased it 
through the tow company to the crusher.  They all remembered it, but it 
had already been crushed.


The seller was a jerk.  the car deserved better.

Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 10/10/19 12:22 PM:

I really hate when decent cars get scrapped.
I guess I better get my butt in gear and pick off what I can.

https://row52.com/Vehicle/Index/WDBAB53AXFA26867

Rick




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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Better send the EMTs for his heart attack.   Or as bernie sez:  Cardiac 
infarction.


G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 10/10/19 3:36 PM:

Quick, someone send an intervention team to assist Andrew in processing
this.
[Nothing personal, I just haven't pissed him off for a few days.] ;}}}





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Re: [MBZ] Another OT question - ball valves

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 19:05:34 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> So does one have to super insulate the water pipes to make the thermal
> siphon effective?

No, but ordinary pipe insulation does help.

We had such an arrangement in our last house in Colorado Springs.

The kitchen was above the utility room in the basement. The line from the
hot water tank was insulated and then at the kitchen faucet a tee enabled
another copper line to go back to the hot water heater's drain valve
(which had been removed and a tee inserted to allow both the drain valve
and the returning copper line).

The heat loss from the bare copper return pipe slightly cooled down the
water in it making its density slightly greater than the water in the
insulated supply pipe, thus causing the thermally-induced circulation.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Another OT question - ball valves

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You can, but it doesn’t make a lot of difference I believe. The thermal 
siphoning is really what’s making it move the water.

-D
 
> On Oct 10, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So does one have to super insulate the water pipes to make the thermal siphon 
> effective?
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] Another OT question - ball valves

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

So does one have to super insulate the water pipes to make the thermal siphon 
effective?
-- 
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Re: [MBZ] This Pisses Me Off

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Too bad they don't have an esthetic sense of appreciation

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 4:17 PM Rory via Mercedes 
wrote:

> To some, it's just a thing.
>
> R-
>
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 11:50 AM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes a CDT.
> > Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 2:46 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Wow a coupe too. Sad
> > >
> > > --FT
> > > Sent from iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Oct 10, 2019, at 1:22 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I really hate when decent cars get scrapped.
> > > > I guess I better get my butt in gear and pick off what I can.
> > > >
> > > > https://row52.com/Vehicle/Index/WDBAB53AXFA26867
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A new Coleman video

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Can't believe you burn your refrigerant like that, isn't that bad for the 
environment?

;)
-- 
Max Dillon
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On October 10, 2019 2:55:15 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I know some of you guys are interested in my Coleman shenanigans. I did
>something a little different last night: https://youtu.be/lbcH5uqZkKM
>-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: new truck time?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Really cheap feeling interior though. We drove a couple before we bought the 
Ranger. The Ford interior was much more pleasing and the 4.0l v6 Ford was much 
more spritely than the 3.5l i5 in the Chevy although harder on fuel.

-Curt

On Thursday, October 10, 2019, 6:33:35 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 RB sez:

>No real idea about the Colorado and its GMC equivalent

According to this site, the 2007-2012 trucks are pretty robust. 

https://www.carcomplaints.com/best_vehicles/

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] OT: new truck time?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

RB sez:

>No real idea about the Colorado and its GMC equivalent

According to this site, the 2007-2012 trucks are pretty robust. 

https://www.carcomplaints.com/best_vehicles/

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Very true --- why I don't have one now :-(

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 4:35 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 10/10/2019 4:20 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> > TANSTAAFL, and there's nothing better than a Mercedes Diesel!
> >
> and
>
> TANSTAACMB
>
> Randy
>


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for themselves."

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2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Another OT question - ball valves

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 10, 2019 at 5:32 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> > and no 220 wiring hassle at each faucet.
> 
> Que?  We have a small 110V tank heater under the kitchen
> sink, it's fabulous.  We're on our third one, they die (leak)
> after 10 years or so.
> 
> No 220V, and no waiting for hot water.  It's instant, and low
> power.  By the time the little tank is exhausted, the feed (from
> the main hot water line) is up to temperature.
> 
> -- Jim
> 

You've got a 1KW mini tank.
Everybody else was talking about high wattage point of use tankless.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: new truck time?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 10/10/2019 4:30 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-trucks/want-the-hardest-core-chevy-colorado-zr2-meet-gms-new-military-infantry-squad-vehicle/ar-AAIAs0D?li=BBnb4R5

No real idea about the Colorado and its GMC equivalent, but the 
Silverado and Sierra are apparently just awful. Nothing but trouble.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 10/10/2019 4:20 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

TANSTAAFL, and there's nothing better than a Mercedes Diesel!


and

TANSTAACMB

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Another OT question - ball valves

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> and no 220 wiring hassle at each faucet.

Que?  We have a small 110V tank heater under the kitchen
sink, it's fabulous.  We're on our third one, they die (leak)
after 10 years or so.

No 220V, and no waiting for hot water.  It's instant, and low
power.  By the time the little tank is exhausted, the feed (from
the main hot water line) is up to temperature.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] OT: new truck time?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-trucks/want-the-hardest-core-chevy-colorado-zr2-meet-gms-new-military-infantry-squad-vehicle/ar-AAIAs0D?li=BBnb4R5

-- 
OK Don

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for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

[OK Don via Mercedes]

TANSTAAFL, and there's nothing better than a Mercedes Diesel!

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 3:29 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Driving A Tesla Results In More CO2 Than A Mercedes Diesel Car, Study Finds
> https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/24/tesla-carbon-dioxide-mercedes
>
> Tesla Model 3 is touted as a zero-emissions car by government regulators,
> but it actually results in more carbon dioxide than a comparable
> diesel-powered car, according to a recent study.
>
> When the CO2 emissions from battery production is included, electric cars,
> like Teslas, are “in the best case, slightly higher than those of a diesel
> engine, and are otherwise much higher,” reads a release from the German
> think tank IFO.
>
> “It’s better read as a warning that new technologies aren’t a
> climate-change panacea. Recall the false promises about corn and cellulosic
> ethanol,” The Wall Street Journal editorial board wrote of the study.
> (RELATED: 2020 Democrats Back Plan That’s Already Raising Electricity
> Prices)
>
> Driving a Tesla Model 3 in Germany, for example, is responsible for 156 to
> 181 grams of CO2 per kilometer, compared to just 141 grams per kilometer
> for a diesel-powered Mercedes C220d — that includes emissions from
> producing diesel fuel.
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Re: [MBZ] Another OT question - ball valves

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I did the same in the massive monolith we lived in in Indiana. The farthest 
upstairs bathroom was nearly 80 linear feet away measuring the pipe.  Just 
plumbed in a line parallel to the manifold that ran across the basement ceiling 
with a “T” and down to a “T” I installed behind the drain valve of the water 
heater. It thermal cycled hot water through about 40 of the 80 foot run, so the 
youngest son didn’t have to run 20 gallons of water until he got hot water… 
crude but effective.

-D


> On Oct 10, 2019, at 3:51 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 10/10/2019 2:34 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>> IF, you were in a commercial operation, where instant hot water on demand
>> was frequently required, perhaps it would be "cost vs investment return"
>> practical.
>> However, in a household setting, unlikely.
>> The time it takes to get hot water to the tap to wash your hands, unless
>> your personal time is in the $500 per hr range, is likely time vs
>> investment a "wash".
>> 
>> If instant hot water at the tap is truly a demand, perhaps a hot water
>> circulation system is a more practical investment. Where a pump, or pumps,
>> draw water from hot water tank, keep it in circulation at the faucets, for
>> instant demand hot water...
>> Somewhat lower cost / investment, and no 220 wiring hassle at each faucet.
>> However, the recirc pump system will require ongoing costs, maintenance,
>> and replacement.
>> So, as the saying goes, "nothing is for free"
>> 
>> 
> We have a thermal siphon setup. 
> https://www.buellinspections.com/re-circulating-hot-water/ 
> 
> 
> The HWT is in the basement and we have a return line from the bathroom on the 
> 2nd floor. It works quite well. There is no doubt some cost in re-heating the 
> circulating water but there are no pumps etc to run or to replace. When we 
> were re-doing the bath a few years back, I took the opportunity to run a 3rd 
> line back to the HWT. It is pex, so flexible and all one piece for something 
> like 60 or more feet.
> 
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Quick, someone send an intervention team to assist Andrew in processing
this.
[Nothing personal, I just haven't pissed him off for a few days.] ;}}}

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 1:29 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Driving A Tesla Results In More CO2 Than A Mercedes Diesel Car, Study Finds
> https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/24/tesla-carbon-dioxide-mercedes
>
> Tesla Model 3 is touted as a zero-emissions car by government regulators,
> but it actually results in more carbon dioxide than a comparable
> diesel-powered car, according to a recent study.
>
> When the CO2 emissions from battery production is included, electric cars,
> like Teslas, are “in the best case, slightly higher than those of a diesel
> engine, and are otherwise much higher,” reads a release from the German
> think tank IFO.
>
> “It’s better read as a warning that new technologies aren’t a
> climate-change panacea. Recall the false promises about corn and cellulosic
> ethanol,” The Wall Street Journal editorial board wrote of the study.
> (RELATED: 2020 Democrats Back Plan That’s Already Raising Electricity
> Prices)
>
> Driving a Tesla Model 3 in Germany, for example, is responsible for 156 to
> 181 grams of CO2 per kilometer, compared to just 141 grams per kilometer
> for a diesel-powered Mercedes C220d — that includes emissions from
> producing diesel fuel.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A new Coleman video

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 It sure is, I need to do a video with it sometime. I've had it lit several 
times which then made me an "expert" to be consulted when people light theirs 
for the first time.
-Curt

On Thursday, October 10, 2019, 3:30:48 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Is that the Coleman iron I sent you a few years ago in the back ground?
Oh, and yes, that is a cool adapter. My son just bought a MSR backpacking
stove that sits on one of those new fangled canisters - I'd not seen them
before.

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> I know some of you guys are interested in my Coleman shenanigans. I did
> something a little different last night: https://youtu.be/lbcH5uqZkKM
> -Curt 
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[MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Driving A Tesla Results In More CO2 Than A Mercedes Diesel Car, Study Finds
https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/24/tesla-carbon-dioxide-mercedes

Tesla Model 3 is touted as a zero-emissions car by government regulators, but 
it actually results in more carbon dioxide than a comparable diesel-powered 
car, according to a recent study.

When the CO2 emissions from battery production is included, electric cars, like 
Teslas, are “in the best case, slightly higher than those of a diesel engine, 
and are otherwise much higher,” reads a release from the German think tank IFO.

“It’s better read as a warning that new technologies aren’t a climate-change 
panacea. Recall the false promises about corn and cellulosic ethanol,” The Wall 
Street Journal editorial board wrote of the study. (RELATED: 2020 Democrats 
Back Plan That’s Already Raising Electricity Prices)

Driving a Tesla Model 3 in Germany, for example, is responsible for 156 to 181 
grams of CO2 per kilometer, compared to just 141 grams per kilometer for a 
diesel-powered Mercedes C220d — that includes emissions from producing diesel 
fuel.

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Re: [MBZ] Holy crap, here it is

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Ah, I stand corrected!

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 2:45 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> He did not say he did not have the money.
> He basically said, he would rather use your money.
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 10/10/2019 2:31 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> > I call BS - you sent a photo of an ATM receipt a few years ago that said
> > you could easily buy that today --- go get it.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 10:09 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Loan me the money and I will snatch it up.
> >>
>
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Re: [MBZ] This Pisses Me Off

[Rory via Mercedes]

To some, it's just a thing.

R-

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> Yes a CDT.
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 2:46 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Wow a coupe too. Sad
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iPhone
> >
> > > On Oct 10, 2019, at 1:22 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I really hate when decent cars get scrapped.
> > > I guess I better get my butt in gear and pick off what I can.
> > >
> > > https://row52.com/Vehicle/Index/WDBAB53AXFA26867
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Another OT question - ball valves

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 10/10/2019 2:34 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

IF, you were in a commercial operation, where instant hot water on demand
was frequently required, perhaps it would be "cost vs investment return"
practical.
However, in a household setting, unlikely.
The time it takes to get hot water to the tap to wash your hands, unless
your personal time is in the $500 per hr range, is likely time vs
investment a "wash".

If instant hot water at the tap is truly a demand, perhaps a hot water
circulation system is a more practical investment. Where a pump, or pumps,
draw water from hot water tank, keep it in circulation at the faucets, for
instant demand hot water...
Somewhat lower cost / investment, and no 220 wiring hassle at each faucet.
However, the recirc pump system will require ongoing costs, maintenance,
and replacement.
So, as the saying goes, "nothing is for free"


We have a thermal siphon setup. 
https://www.buellinspections.com/re-circulating-hot-water/


The HWT is in the basement and we have a return line from the bathroom 
on the 2nd floor. It works quite well. There is no doubt some cost in 
re-heating the circulating water but there are no pumps etc to run or to 
replace. When we were re-doing the bath a few years back, I took the 
opportunity to run a 3rd line back to the HWT. It is pex, so flexible 
and all one piece for something like 60 or more feet.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Holy crap, here it is

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Fake news 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 10, 2019, at 2:31 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I call BS - you sent a photo of an ATM receipt a few years ago that said
> you could easily buy that today --- go get it.
> 
> On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 10:09 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Loan me the money and I will snatch it up.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
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Re: [MBZ] Holy crap, here it is

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

He did not say he did not have the money.
He basically said, he would rather use your money.

Randy


On 10/10/2019 2:31 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

I call BS - you sent a photo of an ATM receipt a few years ago that said
you could easily buy that today --- go get it.

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 10:09 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Loan me the money and I will snatch it up.




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Re: [MBZ] Another OT question - ball valves

[G Mann via Mercedes]

IF, you were in a commercial operation, where instant hot water on demand
was frequently required, perhaps it would be "cost vs investment return"
practical.
However, in a household setting, unlikely.
The time it takes to get hot water to the tap to wash your hands, unless
your personal time is in the $500 per hr range, is likely time vs
investment a "wash".

If instant hot water at the tap is truly a demand, perhaps a hot water
circulation system is a more practical investment. Where a pump, or pumps,
draw water from hot water tank, keep it in circulation at the faucets, for
instant demand hot water...
Somewhat lower cost / investment, and no 220 wiring hassle at each faucet.
However, the recirc pump system will require ongoing costs, maintenance,
and replacement.
So, as the saying goes, "nothing is for free"


On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 12:17 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> In my limited investigation, the cost of running 220V to all of those water
> heaters was prohibitive, making it a no-go project.
>
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 6:39 AM Larry Turner via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Speaking of water supply and such, has anyone done a study comparing the
> > payback of installing "instant-on water heaters" at, say, 4 or 5 water
> > users (bathrooms, sinks, etc) Vs a central water heater?
> >
> > I haven't done a google search yet but will do so later today.  In the
> > mean time I thought the brain trust might have already analyzed this
> issue.
> >
> > TIA,
> > LarryT
> >
> > On 10/8/2019 11:47 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Which brings up the array of 12 vacuum solenoid valves used in ACC 3.
> > > What could ever go wrong? But most of them did make it out of warranty
> > > period.Speaking of overcomplicated.
> > >
> > > Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 10/8/19 6:56 PM:
> > >> Yes!
> > >> -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On October 8, 2019 7:39:41 PM EDT, Curley
> > >> McLain via Mercedes  wrote:
> > >>> Solenoid valve.   Gotta run everything with proprietary PCBs and
> crappy
> > >>>
> > >>> software.   Can't have manual valves any more.Never do with a $10
> > >>> valve when you can do it with a $1500 'lektronic gizmo. 
> > >
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
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Re: [MBZ] Holy crap, here it is

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I call BS - you sent a photo of an ATM receipt a few years ago that said
you could easily buy that today --- go get it.

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 10:09 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Loan me the money and I will snatch it up.
>

-- 
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for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] OT: A new Coleman video

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Is that the Coleman iron I sent you a few years ago in the back ground?
Oh, and yes, that is a cool adapter. My son just bought a MSR backpacking
stove that sits on one of those new fangled canisters - I'd not seen them
before.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 1:56 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> I know some of you guys are interested in my Coleman shenanigans. I did
> something a little different last night: https://youtu.be/lbcH5uqZkKM
> -Curt 
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for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] Another OT question - ball valves

[OK Don via Mercedes]

In my limited investigation, the cost of running 220V to all of those water
heaters was prohibitive, making it a no-go project.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 6:39 AM Larry Turner via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Speaking of water supply and such, has anyone done a study comparing the
> payback of installing "instant-on water heaters" at, say, 4 or 5 water
> users (bathrooms, sinks, etc) Vs a central water heater?
>
> I haven't done a google search yet but will do so later today.  In the
> mean time I thought the brain trust might have already analyzed this issue.
>
> TIA,
> LarryT
>
> On 10/8/2019 11:47 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> > Which brings up the array of 12 vacuum solenoid valves used in ACC 3.
> > What could ever go wrong? But most of them did make it out of warranty
> > period.Speaking of overcomplicated.
> >
> > Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 10/8/19 6:56 PM:
> >> Yes!
> >> -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On October 8, 2019 7:39:41 PM EDT, Curley
> >> McLain via Mercedes  wrote:
> >>> Solenoid valve.   Gotta run everything with proprietary PCBs and crappy
> >>>
> >>> software.   Can't have manual valves any more.Never do with a $10
> >>> valve when you can do it with a $1500 'lektronic gizmo. 
> >
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[MBZ] OT: A new Coleman video

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I know some of you guys are interested in my Coleman shenanigans. I did 
something a little different last night: https://youtu.be/lbcH5uqZkKM
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] This Pisses Me Off

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes a CDT.
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 2:46 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Wow a coupe too. Sad
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Oct 10, 2019, at 1:22 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I really hate when decent cars get scrapped.
> > I guess I better get my butt in gear and pick off what I can.
> >
> > https://row52.com/Vehicle/Index/WDBAB53AXFA26867
> >
> > Rick
> >
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Re: [MBZ] This Pisses Me Off

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Wow a coupe too. Sad 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Oct 10, 2019, at 1:22 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I really hate when decent cars get scrapped. 
> I guess I better get my butt in gear and pick off what I can. 
> 
> https://row52.com/Vehicle/Index/WDBAB53AXFA26867
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Honest auto shipping

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I'm starting to think about a new pickup and the Dodge 3.0l diesel is high on 
my list. Our 2010 Dodge is starting to show signs of the tin worm, at 9 years 
old and 138,000 miles I'm thinking it might make sense to trade it sooner 
rather than later. I usually keep pickups until they're 11 years old but this 
one has cost us very little to have which makes me wonder if we've got a bill 
looming.
-Curt

On Thursday, October 10, 2019, 1:58:50 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 
> On October 10, 2019 at 1:50 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Cool. Thanks. As soon as I clear my plate of a couple projects, I will be 
> scouting for a rust free replacement for my Ranger. Thinking of a Colorado or 
> Canyon. 

With a 4 cylinder?
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/colorado/2016/2016-chevrolet-colorado-z71-4x4-duramax-long-term-verdict/

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Re: [MBZ] Honest auto shipping

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 We went from an '03 Ranger to a 2010 Dodge RAM 1500. The Dodge actually gets 
BETTER fuel economy than the Ranger did while being a whole lot more capable 
and much more comfortable going down the road. 

I'll admit I did like taking the Ranger in the woods, it was small and could 
sneak in a lot of places the Dodge can't.
The new Colorado/Canyon is a much better truck than the previous ones which 
felt really cheap. I'd also check out the new Ranger, its about the same size. 
The Nissan Frontier is also a pretty nice truck. Surprisingly I didn't like the 
Tacoma at all although I did consider a Tundra.
-Curt

On Thursday, October 10, 2019, 1:51:48 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Cool. Thanks. As soon as I clear my plate of a couple projects, I will be 
scouting for a rust free replacement for my Ranger. Thinking of a Colorado or 
Canyon. Another Ranger would be okay, but most seem to have more miles on them 
than I would like.


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Honest auto shipping

I would add that Mike will work with you as far as time and price. Depending on 
the time of year and direction, the more flexible you are the better the price.

He got my 400E from Greenville, SC to me in under two days for $400. I couldn’t 
have gotten it myself for that kind of money.

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Honest auto shipping

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> On October 10, 2019 at 1:50 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Cool. Thanks. As soon as I clear my plate of a couple projects, I will be 
> scouting for a rust free replacement for my Ranger. Thinking of a Colorado or 
> Canyon. 

With a 4 cylinder?
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/colorado/2016/2016-chevrolet-colorado-z71-4x4-duramax-long-term-verdict/

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Re: [MBZ] Honest auto shipping

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Cool. Thanks. As soon as I clear my plate of a couple projects, I will be 
scouting for a rust free replacement for my Ranger. Thinking of a Colorado or 
Canyon. Another Ranger would be okay, but most seem to have more miles on them 
than I would like.


Rick

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I would add that Mike will work with you as far as time and price. Depending on 
the time of year and direction, the more flexible you are the better the price.

He got my 400E from Greenville, SC to me in under two days for $400. I couldn’t 
have gotten it myself for that kind of money.

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Honest auto shipping

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I would add that Mike will work with you as far as time and price. Depending on 
the time of year and direction, the more flexible you are the better the price.

He got my 400E from Greenville, SC to me in under two days for $400. I couldn’t 
have gotten it myself for that kind of money.

-D

> On Oct 10, 2019, at 12:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> THANK YOU!!!
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: October 10, 2019 11:44 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: 126die...@gmail.com
> Subject: [MBZ] Honest auto shipping
> 
> I found an honest auto shipping broker.   I can recommend him if any of
> you need cars shipped. Tell him you are on the okiebenz list.  It
> won't make a lot of difference in the price, but may get you some
> credibility.   All the other quotes I got were 50% or more higher
> priced.Joe asked for $50 commission and between 50-60¢ a mile.   the
> other quotes were around $1/mile.   Last spring when I tried to get a
> car shipped 500 miles, the brokers quoted me $3 a mile.  What a ripoff!
> So I appreciate an honest auto shipping broker.
> 
> Of course, the concession on my end is a 9-10 week shipping window. But
> I'd guess something may happen within 4-5 weeks or so.
> 
> Joe Todorovski
> Road Warrior Auto Transport
> Northbrook, IL
> 
> 773 849 9478
> 
> j...@roadwarriorauto.com 
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Re: [MBZ] Honest auto shipping

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I have a broker in South Florida I’ve used for years. Wouldn’t consider anyone 
else. He’s very good and has gotten me some huge deals, like getting the Finnie 
shipped enclosed for the price of an open carrier. ($1100 vs. +$2000)

As he says, “I wouldn’t use anyone I wouldn’t trust with my Mom’s stuff.”

Michael Coote 
AAA Auto Transport
mich...@transportmyautomobile.com
+1 (786) 348-2168

Tell him I sent you if you use him. Nothing in it for me but a satisfied long 
time customer.

-D

> On Oct 10, 2019, at 12:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> THANK YOU!!!
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: October 10, 2019 11:44 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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> Subject: [MBZ] Honest auto shipping
> 
> I found an honest auto shipping broker.   I can recommend him if any of
> you need cars shipped. Tell him you are on the okiebenz list.  It
> won't make a lot of difference in the price, but may get you some
> credibility.   All the other quotes I got were 50% or more higher
> priced.Joe asked for $50 commission and between 50-60¢ a mile.   the
> other quotes were around $1/mile.   Last spring when I tried to get a
> car shipped 500 miles, the brokers quoted me $3 a mile.  What a ripoff!
> So I appreciate an honest auto shipping broker.
> 
> Of course, the concession on my end is a 9-10 week shipping window. But
> I'd guess something may happen within 4-5 weeks or so.
> 
> Joe Todorovski
> Road Warrior Auto Transport
> Northbrook, IL
> 
> 773 849 9478
> 
> j...@roadwarriorauto.com 
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Re: [MBZ] This Pisses Me Off

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Unbelievable 

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> On Oct 10, 2019, at 12:22 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I really hate when decent cars get scrapped. 
> I guess I better get my butt in gear and pick off what I can. 
> 
> https://row52.com/Vehicle/Index/WDBAB53AXFA26867
> 
> Rick
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[MBZ] This Pisses Me Off

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I really hate when decent cars get scrapped. 
I guess I better get my butt in gear and pick off what I can. 

https://row52.com/Vehicle/Index/WDBAB53AXFA26867

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Mrpipe Ya Hoe

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

S55AMG?
Yep, back then the AMG S-class had the 5.4L V8:
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15138087/mercedes-benz-s55-amg-short-take-road-test/
I learned something new today. The AMG had less power than the S600.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Honest auto shipping

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

THANK YOU!!!


Rick

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Subject: [MBZ] Honest auto shipping

I found an honest auto shipping broker.   I can recommend him if any of
you need cars shipped. Tell him you are on the okiebenz list.  It
won't make a lot of difference in the price, but may get you some
credibility.   All the other quotes I got were 50% or more higher
priced.Joe asked for $50 commission and between 50-60¢ a mile.   the
other quotes were around $1/mile.   Last spring when I tried to get a
car shipped 500 miles, the brokers quoted me $3 a mile.  What a ripoff!
So I appreciate an honest auto shipping broker.

Of course, the concession on my end is a 9-10 week shipping window. But
I'd guess something may happen within 4-5 weeks or so.

Joe Todorovski
Road Warrior Auto Transport
Northbrook, IL

773 849 9478

j...@roadwarriorauto.com 
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[MBZ] Honest auto shipping

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I found an honest auto shipping broker.   I can recommend him if any of 
you need cars shipped. Tell him you are on the okiebenz list.  It 
won't make a lot of difference in the price, but may get you some 
credibility.   All the other quotes I got were 50% or more higher 
priced.    Joe asked for $50 commission and between 50-60¢ a mile.   the 
other quotes were around $1/mile.   Last spring when I tried to get a 
car shipped 500 miles, the brokers quoted me $3 a mile.  What a ripoff! 
So I appreciate an honest auto shipping broker.


Of course, the concession on my end is a 9-10 week shipping window. But 
I'd guess something may happen within 4-5 weeks or so.


Joe Todorovski
Road Warrior Auto Transport
Northbrook, IL

773 849 9478

j...@roadwarriorauto.com 
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[MBZ] Mrpipe Ya Hoe

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Pre-pimped. Could be a reasonable deal with some dickering

2001 S55 A.M.G
Bluffton, SC· about a day ago 
· 


$3,500

 * https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1656758867791995/

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[MBZ] Car

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I think he is trying to sell an ML

Need repair. All leather interior. New motor. Need work on transmission. 
Pm me


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1236305729910513/

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Re: [MBZ] Holy crap, here it is

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

You forgot to mention rattle can flat black paint all over inside and out

Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 10/10/19 6:50 AM:

Meh.  Needs a hood stack and chopped springs, de-badge and put on a spoiler.
-
Max
Charleston SC





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Re: [MBZ] SUCCESS!!!!!! IT'S ALIIIIIIIVVVVVEEEE!!!!

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

It’s the DAS Xentry HHTWIN latestgreatest  MB software combo on a laptop. 
Ordered it from a Chinese vendor off AliExpress. Was like $600 which is a lot 
but I guess buying a cheap nice car and getting it running sorta justifies it 
now. Finally got it to work right, I must have been doing something wrong with 
it before. I’ll get the link. 

Now I need to check out the SL600 and the ML320 and see what’s up with them. 
The ML has a similar problem with the tranny apparently but I was not 
successful before at trying to figure it out, will try again now that I 
blundered into success.   

--FT
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> On Oct 10, 2019, at 7:56 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Way to go!!  BTW, what kind of code reader did you use to read the tranny 
> codes?  recall how much it was?  Know if any decent code readers are for rent?
> 
> Your ego gets a great lift to the stratosphere - it's it such a mess dealing 
> with all the electronics/computers and such!
> 
> Ain't it great when a plan comes together?   ;-)
> 
> LarryT
> 
>> On 10/9/2019 7:18 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> The $600E320 (now the $800E320) is ALIVE!  Checked the trans fluid this 
>> morning after starting it and running it a bit in neutral and running 
>> through the gears without moving, I thought it might need more but it was 
>> spot on with the 7.5qt I put in, so that was good.  Little while ago I 
>> hooked up the computer and after a bit of frustration got it to talk to all 
>> the nannies and give a report on all the modules and codes and faults and 
>> such (there were A LOT!).  Cleared them, there were still some that seem to 
>> be hard faults with some components or something so will deal with those, 
>> but the transmission codes cleared so that was encouraging.  Took it out for 
>> a quick spin and IT WORKS  Trans shifts smoothly and properly, all seems 
>> well.  Car runs well though it seems to have some howling and rumbling 
>> coming from the back end, might be tires or something, I'll have to check.  
>> It was sitting for awhile so maybe the tires have some flats spots or 
>> something.  Everything underneath looked good and clean though, but I will 
>> check again.
>> 
>> So $200 for conductor plate, new connector, and filter and fluid and various 
>> bits and the car is now ready to roll!  Will hit the DMV tomorrow or Friday 
>> and get plates then do some shakedown.  But it seems like a really nice car, 
>> clean and looks good.  I need a right driving light, for some reason it 
>> looks like it broke off and is missing.  Nothing else it seems.
>> 
>> And I got the fancy computer working!  Turns out it had the 38 pin connector 
>> up under the fuse panel cover, so maybe using that instead of the OBD port 
>> was the key.  I'll have to look on the ML and see and then get it hooked to 
>> that if it has one, maybe I can get it sorted easily without having to mess 
>> with it much.
>> 
>> So a good Benz day  YAY ME
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Holy crap, here it is

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

You need to step up your game. Make that your main ride. You’ll be a better man 
for it. 

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> On Oct 9, 2019, at 10:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 1977 Mercedes Benz 240D
> 
> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/d/lewisville-1977-mercedes-benz-240d/6996040915.html
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Re: [MBZ] SUCCESS!!!!!! IT'S ALIIIIIIIVVVVVEEEE!!!!

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Way to go!!  BTW, what kind of code reader did you use to read the 
tranny codes?  recall how much it was?  Know if any decent code readers 
are for rent?


Your ego gets a great lift to the stratosphere - it's it such a mess 
dealing with all the electronics/computers and such!


Ain't it great when a plan comes together?   ;-)

LarryT

On 10/9/2019 7:18 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
The $600E320 (now the $800E320) is ALIVE!  Checked the trans fluid 
this morning after starting it and running it a bit in neutral and 
running through the gears without moving, I thought it might need more 
but it was spot on with the 7.5qt I put in, so that was good.  Little 
while ago I hooked up the computer and after a bit of frustration got 
it to talk to all the nannies and give a report on all the modules and 
codes and faults and such (there were A LOT!).  Cleared them, there 
were still some that seem to be hard faults with some components or 
something so will deal with those, but the transmission codes cleared 
so that was encouraging.  Took it out for a quick spin and IT 
WORKS  Trans shifts smoothly and properly, all seems well.  Car 
runs well though it seems to have some howling and rumbling coming 
from the back end, might be tires or something, I'll have to check.  
It was sitting for awhile so maybe the tires have some flats spots or 
something.  Everything underneath looked good and clean though, but I 
will check again.


So $200 for conductor plate, new connector, and filter and fluid and 
various bits and the car is now ready to roll!  Will hit the DMV 
tomorrow or Friday and get plates then do some shakedown.  But it 
seems like a really nice car, clean and looks good.  I need a right 
driving light, for some reason it looks like it broke off and is 
missing.  Nothing else it seems.


And I got the fancy computer working!  Turns out it had the 38 pin 
connector up under the fuse panel cover, so maybe using that instead 
of the OBD port was the key.  I'll have to look on the ML and see and 
then get it hooked to that if it has one, maybe I can get it sorted 
easily without having to mess with it much.


So a good Benz day  YAY ME



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Re: [MBZ] Holy crap, here it is

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Meh.  Needs a hood stack and chopped springs, de-badge and put on a spoiler.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 10:39 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 1977 Mercedes Benz 240D
>
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Re: [MBZ] Another OT question - ball valves

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Speaking of water supply and such, has anyone done a study comparing the 
payback of installing "instant-on water heaters" at, say, 4 or 5 water 
users (bathrooms, sinks, etc) Vs a central water heater?


I haven't done a google search yet but will do so later today.  In the 
mean time I thought the brain trust might have already analyzed this issue.


TIA,
LarryT

On 10/8/2019 11:47 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Which brings up the array of 12 vacuum solenoid valves used in ACC 3. 
What could ever go wrong? But most of them did make it out of warranty 
period.    Speaking of overcomplicated.


Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 10/8/19 6:56 PM:

Yes!
-- Max Dillon Charleston SC On October 8, 2019 7:39:41 PM EDT, Curley 
McLain via Mercedes  wrote:

Solenoid valve.   Gotta run everything with proprietary PCBs and crappy

software.   Can't have manual valves any more.    Never do with a $10
valve when you can do it with a $1500 'lektronic gizmo. 


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