[MBZ] When Ford Fights Ferrari, We All Win

[Craig via Mercedes]

https://fee.org/articles/when-ford-fights-ferrari-we-all-win/
When Ford Fights Ferrari, We All Win
You don’t need to be a die-hard gearhead to appreciate what goes into,
and comes out of, racing.


But being a die-hard gearhead probably helps. :-)


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Bottom Feeders Only

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

wish that SDL was close, but too many projects already...    wunna you 
chowdaheads should rescue it!



Frederick Moir via Mercedes 
November 23, 2019 at 9:48 PM
77 Mercedes 230 123

https://vermont.craigslist.org/pts/7017590408.html
1973 Mercedes 280SE4

https://nh.craigslist.org/pts/7018621477.html
Mercedes Benz 300 SDL

https://boston.craigslist.org/nos/pts/7024796559.html

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred


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Re: [MBZ] OT - User Friendly

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Back in the day, the only thing that annoyed me was the frod had the key 
on the left side of the dash, while shovey (and MB) had the key to the 
right of the steering wheel   (Talking Pre-1968 here)   Then there were 
IH trucks.   Some had left side key, some right side.   I found that 
even more annoying than switching between frod and shovey.



Clay Monroe via Mercedes 
November 23, 2019 at 8:02 PM
I did get trained to the MB way of doing things. That was on the w115 
with no bells or whistles. Nothing automagic to mess with, analog all 
the way. One of the friction points with the w220 was the addition of 
dingles and dangles to complicate the experience.


Before the Benz, there was the confusion of adjusting to how the “new” 
car wanted things done, as we changed brands with each car, in search 
of a viable/reliable marque. I found Mercedes of the w115-w124 era to 
fit that mold.


In future, the cars will be engineered beyond user interaction. Just 
get into your rolling coffin and arrive at your destination.


clay





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Re: [MBZ] Bottom Feeders Only

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Not so bad that it has been rejected by mice.

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 10:49 PM Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
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> 77 Mercedes 230 123
>
> https://vermont.craigslist.org/pts/7017590408.html
> 1973 Mercedes 280SE4
>
> https://nh.craigslist.org/pts/7018621477.html
> Mercedes Benz 300 SDL
>
> https://boston.craigslist.org/nos/pts/7024796559.html
>
> Fred Moir
> Lynn MA
> Diesel preferred
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[MBZ] Bottom Feeders Only

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

77 Mercedes 230 123

https://vermont.craigslist.org/pts/7017590408.html
1973 Mercedes 280SE4

https://nh.craigslist.org/pts/7018621477.html
Mercedes Benz 300 SDL

https://boston.craigslist.org/nos/pts/7024796559.html

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

You are measuring junction voltage while conducting a dribble of current.  The 
voltage drop across the junction is largely irrelevant, other than that the 
smaller it is the less energy is wasted as heat.  This might matter in some 
kind of sensitive analog circuit, but this is a  brute force power application. 
 Junction voltage varies with the current through it, the junction temperature, 
and the exact chemical process details.  There is no single number to measure 
or compare.

If it works well, great.  It's possible that your new diodes are just better 
than the old, or that the failing one had partially failed for some time before 
it died.  Hard to know.  Chances are that you only had to replace the one dead 
one to be fully back in business.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Apparently my phone doesn't want me to talk about the 19th century.
I even got the accent right.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini%C3%A9_ball
Curt

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  On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 8:56 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:   On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 01:30:52 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I recently read a history of the 1953 Enfield rifle which was the first
> rifles musket in general use. At the time there was much discussion
> about the destructive capabilities of the Miné ball vs roundball.

1953?

Miné ball?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - User Friendly

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Our first MB - a 1970 220D, had NO markings on the controls. You were
expected to have memorized the manual before you drove the car. The
controls were unchanged (IIRC) all the way through the W124's - and mostly
the same in the ML320.

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 8:03 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I did get trained to the MB way of doing things.  That was on the w115
> with no bells or whistles.  Nothing automagic to mess with, analog all the
> way.  One of the friction points with the w220 was the addition of dingles
> and dangles to complicate the experience.
>

-- 
OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] That so called professional mechanic on the 123/124 fakebook group is a moron

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I wonder if this guy has any training or even a legal right to practice.
It doesn't sound like he could pass the exam for a Michigan license to do brake 
work.
Here we test for knowledge in many specific areas, like brakes, suspension, 
engine rebuilding, etc.
If you pass all the non-bodywork tests you're licensed for Master Automotive. 
I was Master Motorcycle, Master Auto but let it all expire 30 years ago. 
Mitch.

> On November 23, 2019 at 3:47 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> He's a "pro."   "Pro's" don't care about how much damage they do to your 
> vehicle, as long as it goes out the shop door before the damage they do 
> fails.   Sad commentary on the state of affairs.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

1853 enfield


Craig via Mercedes 
November 23, 2019 at 7:55 PM
On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 01:30:52 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes

1953?

Miné ball?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - User Friendly

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

I did get trained to the MB way of doing things.  That was on the w115 with no 
bells or whistles.  Nothing automagic to mess with, analog all the way.  One of 
the friction points with the w220 was the addition of dingles and dangles to 
complicate the experience.

Before the Benz, there was the confusion of adjusting to how the “new” car 
wanted things done, as we changed brands with each car, in search of a 
viable/reliable marque.  I found Mercedes of the w115-w124 era to fit that mold.

In future, the cars will be engineered beyond user interaction.  Just get into 
your rolling coffin and arrive at your destination.

clay


> On Nov 23, 2019, at 3:56 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, that is a thought-provoking article.  Designers driving behavior and
> the good/bad calculation of that design: I submit that depends on designer
> intent.   Is the goal a safe car, or an addictive app on your smartphone to
> sell advertising?
> 
> Re: auto design, and the friction point you describe.  Is that friction
> good because MB has you trained and now MB is the only answer to driving?
> I despise most modern automatic transmission selectors, with strange
> motions required to get forward or reverse or park.  SWMBO's Infiniti
> (Nissan) has the same headlight control on the turn signal stalk, and then
> another stalk on the other side for wipers.  Some rentals I've driven
> combine the cruise control and rear windshield wiper onto those stalks,
> more opportunities to get confused.
> 
> I guess we should be glad there is still one steering wheel and the two or
> three foot pedals haven't changed position or function.
> 
> I do like some of the rental car seats which are all manual controls,
> eliminating the switches and motors and wiring that my 124 cars have.  I
> would consider that an upgrade in usefulness if I could retro-fit those
> type of seats and get the color / material to match.
> 
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 9:27 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> This may not be off topic, but I found the article interesting enough to
>> go look for the book
>> 
>> https://www.wired.com/story/how-dumb-design-wwii-plane-led-macintosh/
>> 
>> I wonder how much the dumbing down of the user experience has impacted the
>> newer model cars.  I had to drive SWMBA’s ‘yota of choice to class today
>> and was boggled at getting accessories to function the way I required
>> (wipers, heat).  Years of driving Mercedes had me trained as to where
>> things I needed to have function belonged.  And those systems had been in
>> those exact locations over at least a 50 year period.  I am not sure if
>> they remain there today, but I am sure I could sit in any Benz built since
>> 1960 and knobs and buttons would be where they belonged, and I could drive
>> right off.  Not so with this car.  Too many buttons and whistle features I
>> could not figure out.  Even worse, the “yota I am supposed to be driving
>> will not arrive for two more weeks, and I will not be back to ANC until
>> 2020 to learn all its tricks.
>> 
>> I will be so pleased to get behind the wheel of the SDL and transport
>> myself in comfort for the next six weeks.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

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On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 01:30:52 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I recently read a history of the 1953 Enfield rifle which was the first
> rifles musket in general use. At the time there was much discussion
> about the destructive capabilities of the Miné ball vs roundball.

1953?

Miné ball?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Shot placement is everything.Dad has a Brit SMLE that was converted from .303 
to 410 bore. It shoots well with slugs.I should check and see if it's legal 
here. I know we're not allowed larger than 10ga but I don't recall if there is 
a minimum.
Curt

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  On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 6:52 PM, Curley McLain via 
Mercedes wrote:   I know I could have put meat in the 
freezer with a 410 slug or with a 
rifle.  (i'm talking 50 years ago)   The state only allowed 12, 16 or 20 
ga slugs.   I had no need for any of those otherwise, until I took up 
trapshooting.  By then I had lost interest in sitting in a tree freezing 
and hoping bambi blundered by.   There were not that many bambis at the 
time.   Later, in HS, I went out with a friend of mine.   He had slugs, 
and also a 303. He shot a field rat with the 303, and we hustled back to 
the camper and hid the rifle.   We were warming up water for hot 
chocolate when there was a knock o n the door.   Game warden...     he 
had heard the rifle from wherever he was and went hunting.    He had no 
luck that day. Later we took the  1 ton flatbed truck to the neighbor's 
timber and recovered the field rat.

A few years ago, field rats were thick but you still could not use 
anything else.

> Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
> November 23, 2019 at 5:37 PM
> I'm not a big fan of slugs. I had an experience of zero penetration 
> from a Rem 12 ga. slug fired from my 870. It struck a good-sized 
> whitetail buck in the shoulder at about 45 yds. It flattened the slug 
> to the shape and size of a silver dollar, and slid up to the neck just 
> under the skin on the near side. The buck fell away from me, and the 
> second shot hit the heart.
>
> I will be impressed if the new trigger turns that pattern into a 
> group. If rifle is legal in your area, that other group will put 
> venison in your freezer for sure.
>
> Greg

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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Our deer season is broken into two parts, the first two weeks of December are 
shotgun, then the second two are muzzleloader. Interestingly muzzleloaders can 
be rifles but no cartridge rifles are allowed.
As with roundball hunting shot placement is critical. Slugs and roundball 
should go in the "engine room", the lungs or heart. As you've found they don't 
do well with bones. I recently read a history of the 1953 Enfield rifle which 
was the first rifles musket in general use. At the time there was much 
discussion about the destructive capabilities of the Miné ball vs roundball.
During muzzleloader I'll be using 450grain "Buffalo bullets" out of my .54. 
Those go into the shoulder and break the hell out of whatever they hit.Actually 
when I'm hunting alone I'll probably always carry the muzzleloader, it's much 
more accurate and fun to shoot than the shotgun. The guys in my hunting group 
already think I'm weird, no need to remove any lingering doubts...
Curt

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  On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 6:37 PM, Greg Fiorentino 
wrote:   I'm not a big fan of slugs. I had an experience of zero penetration 
from a Rem 12 ga. slug fired from my 870. It struck a good-sized whitetail buck 
in the shoulder at about 45 yds. It flattened the slug to the shape and size of 
a silver dollar, and slid up to the neck just under the skin on the near side. 
The buck fell away from me, and the second shot hit the heart.

I will be impressed if the new trigger turns that pattern into a group. If 
rifle is legal in your area, that other group will put venison in your freezer 
for sure.

Greg

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Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2019 3:21 PM
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Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

That's 50 yards with a rifle I hadn't shot for at least 20 years.
The big holes are indeed 12ga. I put the trigger kit in it today. Trigger pull 
is much nicer now. I need to find time to get back to the range and try it out.

Curt

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  On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 8:48 AM, Meade Dillon via 
Mercedes wrote:  If I'm judging the holes correctly, 
your offhand shots with the rifle
scored a bulls-eye and a 9.  That is indeed impressive!  What was the
distance to the target?

Are the two really big holes from the Mossberg?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 12:20 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anybody ordered from M*Carbo before?I ordered one of their Mossberg 500
> trigger kits yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frpF4vwy9Fk
> A week or so ago I fired my 500 with the slug barrel, it shot adequately
> but not "minute of deer". I was thinking the problem is the trigger. I plan
> to pull it apart and polish the seer (yeah I know, don't change the angles)
> and figured a new spring wouldn't hurt while I was there...
> As an aside a month ago I found 180gr .300 Savage ammo, I've got my
> grandfather's Savage 99 which shoots 150gr bullets sideways. I took it with
> me to the range when I shot the 12ga. I fired 2 shots offhand, buddy Ben
> looking through the scope says "I think you hit just under the paper, good
> windage." We walk down range (50 yards) and, well I'll let you see the
> picture...
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49095377378_f969cfb3ed_b.jpg
> You can see the two hits below the paper, they must have been there before
> we started...
>
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Lessee, 2 days left, if I buy a Powerball ticket today...

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Yeah that's nice.  $650k nice?  No.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1957-mercedes-benz-300sl-roadster/
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

That's good news!
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 6:55 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> Dunno if its my imagination or not, but it seems like the welder is
> better now than before the diode blew.   The welds this afternoon are
> smoother so either I am improving or the welder is smoother now with the
> mostly new diodes.I don't think I improved that much, so I think it
> is the new diodes.
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Dunno if its my imagination or not, but it seems like the welder is 
better now than before the diode blew.   The welds this afternoon are 
smoother so either I am improving or the welder is smoother now with the 
mostly new diodes.    I don't think I improved that much, so I think it 
is the new diodes.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I know I could have put meat in the freezer with a 410 slug or with a 
rifle.  (i'm talking 50 years ago)   The state only allowed 12, 16 or 20 
ga slugs.   I had no need for any of those otherwise, until I took up 
trapshooting.  By then I had lost interest in sitting in a tree freezing 
and hoping bambi blundered by.   There were not that many bambis at the 
time.   Later, in HS, I went out with a friend of mine.   He had slugs, 
and also a 303. He shot a field rat with the 303, and we hustled back to 
the camper and hid the rifle.   We were warming up water for hot 
chocolate when there was a knock o n the door.   Game warden...     he 
had heard the rifle from wherever he was and went hunting.    He had no 
luck that day. Later we took the  1 ton flatbed truck to the neighbor's 
timber and recovered the field rat.


A few years ago, field rats were thick but you still could not use 
anything else.



Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
November 23, 2019 at 5:37 PM
I'm not a big fan of slugs. I had an experience of zero penetration 
from a Rem 12 ga. slug fired from my 870. It struck a good-sized 
whitetail buck in the shoulder at about 45 yds. It flattened the slug 
to the shape and size of a silver dollar, and slid up to the neck just 
under the skin on the near side. The buck fell away from me, and the 
second shot hit the heart.


I will be impressed if the new trigger turns that pattern into a 
group. If rifle is legal in your area, that other group will put 
venison in your freezer for sure.


Greg


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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I'm not a big fan of slugs. I had an experience of zero penetration from a Rem 
12 ga. slug fired from my 870. It struck a good-sized whitetail buck in the 
shoulder at about 45 yds. It flattened the slug to the shape and size of a 
silver dollar, and slid up to the neck just under the skin on the near side. 
The buck fell away from me, and the second shot hit the heart.

I will be impressed if the new trigger turns that pattern into a group. If 
rifle is legal in your area, that other group will put venison in your freezer 
for sure.

Greg

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Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2019 3:21 PM
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Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

That's 50 yards with a rifle I hadn't shot for at least 20 years.
The big holes are indeed 12ga. I put the trigger kit in it today. Trigger pull 
is much nicer now. I need to find time to get back to the range and try it out.

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 8:48 AM, Meade Dillon via 
Mercedes wrote:   If I'm judging the holes correctly, 
your offhand shots with the rifle
scored a bulls-eye and a 9.  That is indeed impressive!  What was the
distance to the target?

Are the two really big holes from the Mossberg?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 12:20 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anybody ordered from M*Carbo before?I ordered one of their Mossberg 500
> trigger kits yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frpF4vwy9Fk
> A week or so ago I fired my 500 with the slug barrel, it shot adequately
> but not "minute of deer". I was thinking the problem is the trigger. I plan
> to pull it apart and polish the seer (yeah I know, don't change the angles)
> and figured a new spring wouldn't hurt while I was there...
> As an aside a month ago I found 180gr .300 Savage ammo, I've got my
> grandfather's Savage 99 which shoots 150gr bullets sideways. I took it with
> me to the range when I shot the 12ga. I fired 2 shots offhand, buddy Ben
> looking through the scope says "I think you hit just under the paper, good
> windage." We walk down range (50 yards) and, well I'll let you see the
> picture...
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49095377378_f969cfb3ed_b.jpg
> You can see the two hits below the paper, they must have been there before
> we started...
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Spent over two hours shooting clays this morning with folks from work. Did 
well, dusted a lot of clays, had some quality social time with coworkers. Even 
got my shotgun cleaned this afternoon after I got home. A beautiful day for it, 
too, high 70s, no humidity, clear skies.

One of our group had a brand new Mossberg 930 they were breaking in. I’m not 
big on semi auto shotguns for clays, but it was a nice gun and shot well.

Dick’s has shotgun ammo on sale right now instead of during their Black 
Friday/Thursday sale as they have in the past. $2.00 off a carton of Remington 
12GA shells. Guess I’ll be heading up there tomorrow with the ML or wagon to 
load up for next year.

-D smelling of Hoppes #9


> On Nov 23, 2019, at 6:20 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's 50 yards with a rifle I hadn't shot for at least 20 years.
> The big holes are indeed 12ga. I put the trigger kit in it today. Trigger 
> pull is much nicer now. I need to find time to get back to the range and try 
> it out.
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 8:48 AM, Meade Dillon via 
> Mercedes wrote:   If I'm judging the holes correctly, 
> your offhand shots with the rifle
> scored a bulls-eye and a 9.  That is indeed impressive!  What was the
> distance to the target?
> 
> Are the two really big holes from the Mossberg?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 12:20 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Anybody ordered from M*Carbo before?I ordered one of their Mossberg 500
>> trigger kits yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frpF4vwy9Fk
>> A week or so ago I fired my 500 with the slug barrel, it shot adequately
>> but not "minute of deer". I was thinking the problem is the trigger. I plan
>> to pull it apart and polish the seer (yeah I know, don't change the angles)
>> and figured a new spring wouldn't hurt while I was there...
>> As an aside a month ago I found 180gr .300 Savage ammo, I've got my
>> grandfather's Savage 99 which shoots 150gr bullets sideways. I took it with
>> me to the range when I shot the 12ga. I fired 2 shots offhand, buddy Ben
>> looking through the scope says "I think you hit just under the paper, good
>> windage." We walk down range (50 yards) and, well I'll let you see the
>> picture...
>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49095377378_f969cfb3ed_b.jpg
>> You can see the two hits below the paper, they must have been there before
>> we started...
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

That's 50 yards with a rifle I hadn't shot for at least 20 years.
The big holes are indeed 12ga. I put the trigger kit in it today. Trigger pull 
is much nicer now. I need to find time to get back to the range and try it out.

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 8:48 AM, Meade Dillon via 
Mercedes wrote:   If I'm judging the holes correctly, 
your offhand shots with the rifle
scored a bulls-eye and a 9.  That is indeed impressive!  What was the
distance to the target?

Are the two really big holes from the Mossberg?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 12:20 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anybody ordered from M*Carbo before?I ordered one of their Mossberg 500
> trigger kits yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frpF4vwy9Fk
> A week or so ago I fired my 500 with the slug barrel, it shot adequately
> but not "minute of deer". I was thinking the problem is the trigger. I plan
> to pull it apart and polish the seer (yeah I know, don't change the angles)
> and figured a new spring wouldn't hurt while I was there...
> As an aside a month ago I found 180gr .300 Savage ammo, I've got my
> grandfather's Savage 99 which shoots 150gr bullets sideways. I took it with
> me to the range when I shot the 12ga. I fired 2 shots offhand, buddy Ben
> looking through the scope says "I think you hit just under the paper, good
> windage." We walk down range (50 yards) and, well I'll let you see the
> picture...
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49095377378_f969cfb3ed_b.jpg
> You can see the two hits below the paper, they must have been there before
> we started...
>
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 14:03:32 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Here is the instruction
> https://www.fluke.com/en-us/learn/best-practices/test-tools-basics/digital-multimeters/how-to-test-diodes-using-a-digital-multimeter
> 
> My fluke does not have a diode setting, but my old ECG meter does.   I 
> used the ecg meter.  for some reason it reads 2.63 open circuit; and
> red to -.  but forward (red to +) it reads correctly.

The meter has (or mimics) a constant current source. In the forward
direction, the current goes through the diode and biases it into
conduction. The meter then reads the voltage drop across the diode.

In the reverse direction with a good diode, there is very little current
flowing through the diode and the current source goes to its open circuit
voltage, typically causing the meter to read infinity or its digits to
flash.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] That so called professional mechanic on the 123/124 fakebook group is a moron

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The key term here being ‘working”.

-D



> On Nov 23, 2019, at 3:53 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Meh. Kaleb is just jealous the kid has a working lift in his shop.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: November 23, 2019 2:47 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: 126die...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] That so called professional mechanic on the 123/124 
> fakebook group is a moron
> 
> He's a "pro."   "Pro's" don't care about how much damage they do to your
> vehicle, as long as it goes out the shop door before the damage they do
> fails.   Sad commentary on the state of affairs.
> 
>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>> November 23, 2019 at 2:09 PM
>> I just happened upon a 124 post about him rebuilding a suspension for
>> one of the equally moronic members. In the photos I see brake calipers
>> just freely having in the air from what looks like fairly brand new
>> brake hoses. Wow.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Craig needs to buy this

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 13:03:52 -0500 (EST) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> > On November 23, 2019 at 11:17 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2014-bruce-transporters-stealth-series/
>
> Ever come up behind a semitrailer with polished stainless doors when
> the sun is at your back? Now imagine driving past an entire trailer
> with mirror finish. Mitch.

I have come up behind a semitrailer with polished stainless doors when
the sun was at my back (headed west on I-40 in the early morning or
headed east on I-40 in the late afternon). It's a rather unpleasant
experience.

The trailer is in very good condition and is very desirable. It would be
very useful, but $60k is way above my current budget. In addition, I
already have a semitrailer and plenty of work to do on it, our Kenworth
W900B, and our '93 E300D.

Thank you for bringing it to my attention: I have already sent an email
about it to Samaritan's Purse's fleet manager.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] That so called professional mechanic on the 123/124 fakebook group is a moron

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Meh. Kaleb is just jealous the kid has a working lift in his shop.


Rick

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Sent: November 23, 2019 2:47 PM
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Cc: 126die...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] That so called professional mechanic on the 123/124 fakebook 
group is a moron

He's a "pro."   "Pro's" don't care about how much damage they do to your
vehicle, as long as it goes out the shop door before the damage they do
fails.   Sad commentary on the state of affairs.

> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> November 23, 2019 at 2:09 PM
> I just happened upon a 124 post about him rebuilding a suspension for
> one of the equally moronic members. In the photos I see brake calipers
> just freely having in the air from what looks like fairly brand new
> brake hoses. Wow.
>


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Re: [MBZ] That so called professional mechanic on the 123/124 fakebook group is a moron

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

He's a "pro."   "Pro's" don't care about how much damage they do to your 
vehicle, as long as it goes out the shop door before the damage they do 
fails.   Sad commentary on the state of affairs.



Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
November 23, 2019 at 2:09 PM
I just happened upon a 124 post about him rebuilding a suspension for 
one of the equally moronic members. In the photos I see brake calipers 
just freely having in the air from what looks like fairly brand new 
brake hoses. Wow.




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Re: [MBZ] Craig needs to buy this

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Perfect for your seasons run at the salt flats "World fastest 220
Mercedes"...

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 11:04 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Ever come up behind a semitrailer with polished stainless doors when the
> sun is at your back?
> Now imagine driving past an entire trailer with mirror finish.
> Mitch.
>
> > On November 23, 2019 at 11:17 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2014-bruce-transporters-stealth-series/
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[MBZ] That so called professional mechanic on the 123/124 fakebook group is a moron

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I just happened upon a 124 post about him rebuilding a suspension for one of 
the equally moronic members. In the photos I see brake calipers just freely 
having in the air from what looks like fairly brand new brake hoses. Wow. 

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Here is the instruction
https://www.fluke.com/en-us/learn/best-practices/test-tools-basics/digital-multimeters/how-to-test-diodes-using-a-digital-multimeter

My fluke does not have a diode setting, but my old ECG meter does.   I 
used the ecg meter.  for some reason it reads 2.63 open circuit; and red 
to -.  but forward (red to +) it reads correctly.



tyee165 via Mercedes 
November 23, 2019 at 1:16 PM
What are you measuring?


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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

What are you measuring?Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
 Original message From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 Date: 2019-11-23  10:39 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Meade 
Dillon via Mercedes  Cc: Curley McLain 
<126die...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question) Got 12 diodes 
that test .53 or above.  Found one bad one and 7 that are around .49.    So 
most were weak and one bad.   I think the rain has stopped, so its time to put 
humpthy together again and see if it will melt steel.> Meade Dillon via 
Mercedes > November 23, 2019 at 7:50 AM> So are 
you back to melting steel yet?> -> Max> Charleston 
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Re: [MBZ] The list

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM archer75--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> You're probably right about "outlier". I only layed on the shop floor for 24 
> hours, though.

Friend of mine was in the laundry room when he heard somebody pounding on the 
door. 
He hurriedly turned to answer it, slipped and fell, breaking both bones in his 
left shin. 
He screamed for help (15-20' from the door they were knocking on) but he heard 
them get in their car and leave. Nobody he knows ever admitted to visiting him 
that day.

It would have been way more than 24 hours before anybody found him, so he 
dragged himself out to the car and drove to the hospital. That's where owning a 
Corolla with a slushbox beats owning a F250 with a stick.

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

How many diodes does it take to make a buzz box buzz like a buzz box 
should?   In this case 12.   It no longer has a loud buzz, but buzzes 
like a buzz box should. I declare success!


Jim,  You are undoubtedly right, however I figured balancing the 
readings is like balancing the injector nozzles on a good Diesel.   I 
took the 12 highest and closest between the new and old.


The reference I read said they should be .50 or above.  quibbling over 
.49 or .50, I agree is not significant.  My meter could be off by .01 
easily.   It is off my 2-3 ohms on the ohmmeter setting, I know.



Jim Cathey 
November 23, 2019 at 11:01 AM

I don't think that kind of difference is generally significant. It's 
like weighing crowbars,

and quibbling about an ounce or two.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Craig needs to buy this

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Ever come up behind a semitrailer with polished stainless doors when the sun is 
at your back?
Now imagine driving past an entire trailer with mirror finish.
Mitch.

> On November 23, 2019 at 11:17 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2014-bruce-transporters-stealth-series/

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Got 12 diodes that test .53 or above.  Found one bad one and 7 that are 
> around .49.So most were weak and one bad.

I don't think that kind of difference is generally significant.  It's like 
weighing crowbars,
and quibbling about an ounce or two.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Got 12 diodes that test .53 or above.  Found one bad one and 7 that are 
around .49.    So most were weak and one bad.   I think the rain has 
stopped, so its time to put humpthy together again and see if it will 
melt steel.



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
November 23, 2019 at 7:50 AM
So are you back to melting steel yet?
-
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Charleston SC


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[MBZ] Craig needs to buy this

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2014-bruce-transporters-stealth-series/

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[MBZ] Lessee, 2 days left, if I buy a Powerball ticket today...

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1957-mercedes-benz-300sl-roadster/

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Re: [MBZ] This could be a cheap fix, or an expensive fix... 05ML500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

No have not had time to work on it this week.  Might later today or 
tomorrow.


--FT

On 11/23/19 8:52 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Do you have this running yet?
-
Max
Charleston SC




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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The new diodes are in. Unfortunately when I went back to fleabay, I 
ordered the bag of 10 in place of the bag of 20 by mistake.   I am about 
to set to testing diodes.  I have to decide if I should replace just the 
one that is bad, or replace 10 and reuse 2 old ones.   I had intended to 
replace all 12.   As soon as I segregate bad from new and good, I'll 
start putting humpty back together again.


Then, I hope the melting steel begins again.    No old microwaves to use 
though.   Sorry Jim.


But if I hang around Jim and Rich long enough, I may start designing 
circuits sometime.


(Actually in the 80s, when Revent wanted $200 for a timer buzzer, I went 
to radiojunk and bought 12vDC buzzers and transformers and full wave 
bridge rectifiers and built my own.   THat way I could make each oven 
have a distinct sound so we could tell from a distance which oven had 
timed out.  There were 3 double rack double chamber revents and 3 
rotating ovens.    We had one guy that was deaf, so I added a red rotary 
light to one oven for him as a visual timer.)



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
November 23, 2019 at 7:50 AM
So are you back to melting steel yet?
-
Max
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] OT - User Friendly

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

As I pointed out last week regarding color of handle covers on pumps for 
Benzin and Diesel, the industry should standardize voluntarily, as the 
motorcycle industry should have in the 20s.  That way the goobers stay 
away. Thankfully, after WWII, hardly Davidson got rid of the left 
hand operated gear shift on their motorsickles.


In the US, we had SAE  and other voluntary (industry) standards.   My 
cars built under DIN standards are excellent.   Whitworth, not so 
much.   Unfortunately, DIN was abandoned to adopt the frog backed ISO 
standards.   ISO has goobers involved, so everything is messed up.   Up 
to W123, I could work on any german made vehicle, and most german made 
equipment and only need 10, 13, 14, 17 and 19mm wrenches and sockets, 
along with 5, 6, 8 and 10 mm allen wrenches.   For exhaust 12mm was 
added.   My BMW R75/5 added a pin wrench for the fork tubes, and a 
larger socket and a spark plug wrench. (supplied in tool kit)   Life was 
good and life was simple.   In 1985,  you had to add the special socket 
for the delivery valves on MB, except you really didn't need one until 
2000 to 2007, when the ULSD dissolved whatever was left of the DV orings.


Goobermnt meddling in anything but the enumerated powers is a bad thing.


Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
November 23, 2019 at 7:18 AM
Is government-forced standardization a good thing? In some cases yes, the
trade-off is probably worth the lives saved, like in this case. Where is
the line beyond which government decree becomes a bad trade-off?
-
Max
Charleston SC




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Re: [MBZ] This could be a cheap fix, or an expensive fix... 05ML500

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Do you have this running yet?
-
Max
Charleston SC




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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

So are you back to melting steel yet?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

If I'm judging the holes correctly, your offhand shots with the rifle
scored a bulls-eye and a 9.  That is indeed impressive!  What was the
distance to the target?

Are the two really big holes from the Mossberg?
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On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 12:20 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anybody ordered from M*Carbo before?I ordered one of their Mossberg 500
> trigger kits yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frpF4vwy9Fk
> A week or so ago I fired my 500 with the slug barrel, it shot adequately
> but not "minute of deer". I was thinking the problem is the trigger. I plan
> to pull it apart and polish the seer (yeah I know, don't change the angles)
> and figured a new spring wouldn't hurt while I was there...
> As an aside a month ago I found 180gr .300 Savage ammo, I've got my
> grandfather's Savage 99 which shoots 150gr bullets sideways. I took it with
> me to the range when I shot the 12ga. I fired 2 shots offhand, buddy Ben
> looking through the scope says "I think you hit just under the paper, good
> windage." We walk down range (50 yards) and, well I'll let you see the
> picture...
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49095377378_f969cfb3ed_b.jpg
> You can see the two hits below the paper, they must have been there before
> we started...
>
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Re: [MBZ] abomination

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I still remember what a sour disappointment I had with that show.
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On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 6:16 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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>
> If you're going to put a modern US engine in a W201 or W124, why not take
> some weight off the front end and use a Ford 2.3 or GM 2.0?
> Or, much better, an AMG 2.0?
>
> Anyway, 40 years ago, CBS did abomination better than anybody:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH8rxarVG8
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Re: [MBZ] OT - User Friendly

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Is government-forced standardization a good thing?  In some cases yes, the
trade-off is probably worth the lives saved, like in this case.  Where is
the line beyond which government decree becomes a bad trade-off?
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On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 8:15 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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> Years ago Harley Sportsters and Brit bikes had the shifter on the right
> side and the rear brake on the left side, the opposite of Jap bikes and the
> big v twins. I believe the government forced manufacturers to standardize
> all the controls in the early 1970's.
>
> God, I'm getting old.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - User Friendly

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Years ago Harley Sportsters and Brit bikes had the shifter on the right side 
and the rear brake on the left side, the opposite of Jap bikes and the big v 
twins. I believe the government forced manufacturers to standardize all the 
controls in the early 1970's.

God, I'm getting old.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT - User Friendly

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes, that is a thought-provoking article.  Designers driving behavior and
the good/bad calculation of that design: I submit that depends on designer
intent.   Is the goal a safe car, or an addictive app on your smartphone to
sell advertising?

Re: auto design, and the friction point you describe.  Is that friction
good because MB has you trained and now MB is the only answer to driving?
I despise most modern automatic transmission selectors, with strange
motions required to get forward or reverse or park.  SWMBO's Infiniti
(Nissan) has the same headlight control on the turn signal stalk, and then
another stalk on the other side for wipers.  Some rentals I've driven
combine the cruise control and rear windshield wiper onto those stalks,
more opportunities to get confused.

I guess we should be glad there is still one steering wheel and the two or
three foot pedals haven't changed position or function.

I do like some of the rental car seats which are all manual controls,
eliminating the switches and motors and wiring that my 124 cars have.  I
would consider that an upgrade in usefulness if I could retro-fit those
type of seats and get the color / material to match.


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On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 9:27 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This may not be off topic, but I found the article interesting enough to
> go look for the book
>
> https://www.wired.com/story/how-dumb-design-wwii-plane-led-macintosh/
>
> I wonder how much the dumbing down of the user experience has impacted the
> newer model cars.  I had to drive SWMBA’s ‘yota of choice to class today
> and was boggled at getting accessories to function the way I required
> (wipers, heat).  Years of driving Mercedes had me trained as to where
> things I needed to have function belonged.  And those systems had been in
> those exact locations over at least a 50 year period.  I am not sure if
> they remain there today, but I am sure I could sit in any Benz built since
> 1960 and knobs and buttons would be where they belonged, and I could drive
> right off.  Not so with this car.  Too many buttons and whistle features I
> could not figure out.  Even worse, the “yota I am supposed to be driving
> will not arrive for two more weeks, and I will not be back to ANC until
> 2020 to learn all its tricks.
>
> I will be so pleased to get behind the wheel of the SDL and transport
> myself in comfort for the next six weeks.
>
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Re: [MBZ] abomination

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If you're going to put a modern US engine in a W201 or W124, why not take some 
weight off the front end and use a Ford 2.3 or GM 2.0?
Or, much better, an AMG 2.0?

Anyway, 40 years ago, CBS did abomination better than anybody:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH8rxarVG8

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