Re: [MBZ] A New Oil Specification for GDI Engines

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 18:41:31 -0500
Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  wrote:

> So what is the point of GDI rather than just regular oil fuel injection?

GDI is Gasoline Direct Injection, something relatively on the
automobile scene.

Engines have had DDI, Diesel Direct Injection, for quite a while, as
well as DII, Diesel Indirect Injection, ala  Benz OM engines of all
sorts.


Craig


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> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > https://www.rockauto.com/Newsletter/
> > 
> > A New Oil Specification for GDI Engines
> > Tom's Story

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Re: [MBZ] Sunroof recall

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Thanks this is good to hear. I need to go get my w211 checked on the recall
letter. MB replaced my fuel tank and pump on 15 year warranty as there were
fumes in car. What great cars!

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020, 7:19 PM ned kleinhenz via Mercedes <
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> I got the letter a month or so ago.
> It involved two trips to the dealership.
> In first trip they inspected the sunroof and verified it was one that
> needed to be replaced.
> In the second trip they replaced it.  Everything worked out well.
> I'm happy MB stood behind a 15 year old car by replacing a potentially
> defective part without charge.
> Ned
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Fun

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

It’s just a pig on the 112 cars. 113 and 606 are easy. 

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> On Oct 3, 2020, at 5:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, it’s a bit of a pig on W210s. You have to unbolt the AC compressor to 
> get the driver’s side mount out, and the passenger side isn’t much easier. 
> Glad I didn’t need to do it.
> 
> Put my belly pan on, too Been sitting in the garage for I don’t know how 
> long, I keep meaning to put it on but never have a reason to get under there.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
>> 
>> Boy you are a busy Benz repairer. Glad you didn't need motor mounts.
>> 
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 3, 2020, 10:57 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes > > wrote:
>> Just got out from under the car after determining that I don’t need the 
>> mounts replaced. I knew the PO did it (OE mounts, too!) but I wasn’t sure 
>> how long ago. They’re clearly tall enough that there’s nothing to be gained 
>> by replacing them. I did, however, notice that the front sway bar bushings 
>> were getting cracked, so I ordered a pair along with a pair of new links. 
>> Under $50 for the whole shebang from the dealer, a cheap and easy repair.
>> 
>> Maybe I’ll tackle the fuel filter now…
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Oct 3, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes >>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> And yesterday’s, too.
>>> 
>>> I’ve had a CEL on the 1998 S210 wagon for some time, P0400, which is the 
>>> EGR or related stuff. I replaced it for just that issue about 14 months 
>>> ago, and the CEL returned maybe 2-3 months ago. With minimal driving and 
>>> knowing it wasn’t anything significant, I just let it go.
>>> 
>>> As the weather has cooled off here relatively speaking, I went out last 
>>> night and spent some time poking around. Found the short U-shaped vacuum 
>>> line between the manifold connector and pressure transducer at the EGR was 
>>> split at one end. This would definitely cause a P0400 error, so I replaced 
>>> the cracked hose and reset the computer. It takes two driving cycles for 
>>> the computer to decide there’s an issue, so I’ll have to drive it a bit to 
>>> see if the CEL returns, but I’m optimistic the problem is solved.
>>> 
>>> Today I’m going to replace the motor mounts and transmission mounts. The 
>>> ones on the car are not original and not in too bod shape, but I have a set 
>>> of Lemförder mounts that are taking up space on the shelf so I figure i’ll 
>>> put them on. I need to replace the fuel filter, too, so maybe I’ll do that 
>>> as well.
>>> 
>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] A New Oil Specification for GDI Engines

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

So what is the point of GDI rather than just regular oil fuel injection?

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> On Oct 3, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> https://www.rockauto.com/Newsletter/
> 
> A New Oil Specification for GDI Engines
> Tom's Story
> 
> This year brought us a new specification for motor oil; ILSAC GF-6 /
> API SP. One of the primary goals of the new oil spec is to reduce
> incidence of two problems gasoline direct injection (GDI) engines have
> been experiencing.
> 
> GDI blasts the fuel directly into the combustion chamber at high
> pressure. This leaves less time for the air and fuel to mix together.
> The resulting air/fuel mixture may burn unevenly which may generate a
> lot of soot. As the pistons move up and down, the soot gets mixed into
> the motor oil. The soot travels with the motor oil through the engine
> and causes wear.
> 
> The most noticeable wear often occurs between the pins and bushings
> that hold timing chains together. As the bushing holes wear and
> enlarge, the timing chains stretch. Eventually the timing chains may
> stretch to the point that they slip across gear teeth or otherwise are
> unable to correctly connect the crankshaft to the camshafts. The
> computer generates a trouble code, the engine goes into limp-in mode
> and/or the engine stops running. GF-6 / SP oil resists collecting and
> circulating the harmful soot. GF-6, API SP and API SN PLUS on label
> GF-6, API SP and API SN PLUS on label
> 
> The second problem, low-speed pre-ignition (LSPI), is also related to
> the uneven burning of air/fuel in GDI engines; specifically,
> turbocharged GDI engines. When running at relatively low RPM and under
> heavy load, like when moving away from a dead stop, severe knocking may
> occur inside the cylinders. Scientists figured out that traces of
> engine oil mixing and burning with the air/fuel mixture contributes to
> the damaging engine knock. GF-5 / SN-Plus spec oil was released a
> couple of years ago to combat this problem (watch for the “Plus” after
> SN). The new GF-6 / SP oil helps with both the soot and knock problems.
> 
> Ford has produced the most turbocharged GDI engines. Small 1L,
> three-cylinder Ford EcoBoost engines power Ford Fiestas, and big 3.5L,
> six-cylinder EcoBoost motors are in work trucks that rack up a lot of
> severe-duty (towing, dust, etc.) miles. The soot and knock problems
> have been studied most thoroughly on EcoBoost engines. The new
> specification actually requires that new GF-6 / SP oils pass tests
> running in Ford EcoBoost motors! GDI shown in description and Info page
> GDI / Direct Injection in part descriptions and Info page
> 
> These new oils, higher fuel injection pressures, intake manifold port
> injection coupled with GDI, etc. help solve these problems on older
> engines and prevent them on newer engines. GDI engine owners may be
> able to help the most by simply changing their vehicles' motor oil
> frequently and always using the correct oil. Instead of waiting for the
> longest, light-duty, oil change interval (often 7,000+ miles/11,000+
> km), change the oil closer to the severe-duty interval (often 3,000
> miles/5,000 km).
> 
> You can check to see if your specific vehicle's engine uses GDI by
> looking at the “Info” pages and part descriptions for the engine's Fuel
> Injectors found under “Fuel & Air” in the RockAuto.com catalog. Find
> the correct engine Oil for your vehicle under “Engine.” Oil is also
> listed by viscosity/weight under the “Tools & Universal Parts” tab.
> 
> Note: The “A” in GF-6A means the oil is a viscosity/weight compatible
> with existing engines. The “B” in GF-B means the oil is only to be used
> in recent engine designs that require completely new viscosity/weight
> oils such as 0W-16.
> 
> Tom Taylor,
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Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I think for us is was 3600/yr, for two cars doing maybe 25k total miles,
but that was a couple of years ago when gas was higher.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 12:59 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My annual fuel costs for a household with two drivers is only about $1000
> to $1500.  Either the price of California fuel is 5x the price here in SC,
> or Karl drives far more than I.  Under the Wuhan Red Death shutdown, we're
> probably only spending $500 a year or less.
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Sunroof recall

[ned kleinhenz via Mercedes]

I got the letter a month or so ago.
It involved two trips to the dealership.
In first trip they inspected the sunroof and verified it was one that
needed to be replaced.
In the second trip they replaced it.  Everything worked out well.
I'm happy MB stood behind a 15 year old car by replacing a potentially
defective part without charge.
Ned
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Re: [MBZ] I should sell the $2200 05E320 wagon

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Maybe wagons are hot.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020, 11:08 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> with asking prices like these I could make some serious profit to fund
> more addictions
>
>
> https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/d/jacksonville-04-mercedes-e320-4matic-1/7206811398.html
>
>
> https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/d/albemarle-2004-mercedes-e320-wagon-4/7206815402.html
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Fun

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I brought my belly pan home in the back of my 124 300D. Gave it back to
former lister John Peterson when we reswapped.   Don't know if Dimitri has
it on now or not

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020, 6:46 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Yeah, it’s a bit of a pig on W210s. You have to unbolt the AC compressor
> to get the driver’s side mount out, and the passenger side isn’t much
> easier. Glad I didn’t need to do it.
>
> Put my belly pan on, too Been sitting in the garage for I don’t know how
> long, I keep meaning to put it on but never have a reason to get under
> there.
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> >
> > Boy you are a busy Benz repairer. Glad you didn't need motor mounts.
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2020, 10:57 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > Just got out from under the car after determining that I don’t need the
> mounts replaced. I knew the PO did it (OE mounts, too!) but I wasn’t sure
> how long ago. They’re clearly tall enough that there’s nothing to be gained
> by replacing them. I did, however, notice that the front sway bar bushings
> were getting cracked, so I ordered a pair along with a pair of new links.
> Under $50 for the whole shebang from the dealer, a cheap and easy repair.
> >
> > Maybe I’ll tackle the fuel filter now…
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Oct 3, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > And yesterday’s, too.
> > >
> > > I’ve had a CEL on the 1998 S210 wagon for some time, P0400, which is
> the EGR or related stuff. I replaced it for just that issue about 14 months
> ago, and the CEL returned maybe 2-3 months ago. With minimal driving and
> knowing it wasn’t anything significant, I just let it go.
> > >
> > > As the weather has cooled off here relatively speaking, I went out
> last night and spent some time poking around. Found the short U-shaped
> vacuum line between the manifold connector and pressure transducer at the
> EGR was split at one end. This would definitely cause a P0400 error, so I
> replaced the cracked hose and reset the computer. It takes two driving
> cycles for the computer to decide there’s an issue, so I’ll have to drive
> it a bit to see if the CEL returns, but I’m optimistic the problem is
> solved.
> > >
> > > Today I’m going to replace the motor mounts and transmission mounts.
> The ones on the car are not original and not in too bod shape, but I have a
> set of Lemförder mounts that are taking up space on the shelf so I figure
> i’ll put them on. I need to replace the fuel filter, too, so maybe I’ll do
> that as well.
> > >
> > > -D
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, it’s a bit of a pig on W210s. You have to unbolt the AC compressor to get 
the driver’s side mount out, and the passenger side isn’t much easier. Glad I 
didn’t need to do it.

Put my belly pan on, too Been sitting in the garage for I don’t know how long, 
I keep meaning to put it on but never have a reason to get under there.

-D

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> Boy you are a busy Benz repairer. Glad you didn't need motor mounts.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2020, 10:57 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  > wrote:
> Just got out from under the car after determining that I don’t need the 
> mounts replaced. I knew the PO did it (OE mounts, too!) but I wasn’t sure how 
> long ago. They’re clearly tall enough that there’s nothing to be gained by 
> replacing them. I did, however, notice that the front sway bar bushings were 
> getting cracked, so I ordered a pair along with a pair of new links. Under 
> $50 for the whole shebang from the dealer, a cheap and easy repair.
> 
> Maybe I’ll tackle the fuel filter now…
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  > > wrote:
> > 
> > And yesterday’s, too.
> > 
> > I’ve had a CEL on the 1998 S210 wagon for some time, P0400, which is the 
> > EGR or related stuff. I replaced it for just that issue about 14 months 
> > ago, and the CEL returned maybe 2-3 months ago. With minimal driving and 
> > knowing it wasn’t anything significant, I just let it go.
> > 
> > As the weather has cooled off here relatively speaking, I went out last 
> > night and spent some time poking around. Found the short U-shaped vacuum 
> > line between the manifold connector and pressure transducer at the EGR was 
> > split at one end. This would definitely cause a P0400 error, so I replaced 
> > the cracked hose and reset the computer. It takes two driving cycles for 
> > the computer to decide there’s an issue, so I’ll have to drive it a bit to 
> > see if the CEL returns, but I’m optimistic the problem is solved.
> > 
> > Today I’m going to replace the motor mounts and transmission mounts. The 
> > ones on the car are not original and not in too bod shape, but I have a set 
> > of Lemförder mounts that are taking up space on the shelf so I figure i’ll 
> > put them on. I need to replace the fuel filter, too, so maybe I’ll do that 
> > as well.
> > 
> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Fun

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Boy you are a busy Benz repairer. Glad you didn't need motor mounts.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020, 10:57 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Just got out from under the car after determining that I don’t need the
> mounts replaced. I knew the PO did it (OE mounts, too!) but I wasn’t sure
> how long ago. They’re clearly tall enough that there’s nothing to be gained
> by replacing them. I did, however, notice that the front sway bar bushings
> were getting cracked, so I ordered a pair along with a pair of new links.
> Under $50 for the whole shebang from the dealer, a cheap and easy repair.
>
> Maybe I’ll tackle the fuel filter now…
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > And yesterday’s, too.
> >
> > I’ve had a CEL on the 1998 S210 wagon for some time, P0400, which is the
> EGR or related stuff. I replaced it for just that issue about 14 months
> ago, and the CEL returned maybe 2-3 months ago. With minimal driving and
> knowing it wasn’t anything significant, I just let it go.
> >
> > As the weather has cooled off here relatively speaking, I went out last
> night and spent some time poking around. Found the short U-shaped vacuum
> line between the manifold connector and pressure transducer at the EGR was
> split at one end. This would definitely cause a P0400 error, so I replaced
> the cracked hose and reset the computer. It takes two driving cycles for
> the computer to decide there’s an issue, so I’ll have to drive it a bit to
> see if the CEL returns, but I’m optimistic the problem is solved.
> >
> > Today I’m going to replace the motor mounts and transmission mounts. The
> ones on the car are not original and not in too bod shape, but I have a set
> of Lemförder mounts that are taking up space on the shelf so I figure i’ll
> put them on. I need to replace the fuel filter, too, so maybe I’ll do that
> as well.
> >
> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

So I ended up replacing the fuel filter, which was due, along with an air 
filter element, which was also due.

Car is now good for many thousands of miles more. Gotta love these W210s, the 
ultimate “gas and go” cars.

-D

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Just got out from under the car after determining that I don’t need the 
> mounts replaced. I knew the PO did it (OE mounts, too!) but I wasn’t sure how 
> long ago. They’re clearly tall enough that there’s nothing to be gained by 
> replacing them. I did, however, notice that the front sway bar bushings were 
> getting cracked, so I ordered a pair along with a pair of new links. Under 
> $50 for the whole shebang from the dealer, a cheap and easy repair.
> 
> Maybe I’ll tackle the fuel filter now…
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> And yesterday’s, too.
>> 
>> I’ve had a CEL on the 1998 S210 wagon for some time, P0400, which is the EGR 
>> or related stuff. I replaced it for just that issue about 14 months ago, and 
>> the CEL returned maybe 2-3 months ago. With minimal driving and knowing it 
>> wasn’t anything significant, I just let it go.
>> 
>> As the weather has cooled off here relatively speaking, I went out last 
>> night and spent some time poking around. Found the short U-shaped vacuum 
>> line between the manifold connector and pressure transducer at the EGR was 
>> split at one end. This would definitely cause a P0400 error, so I replaced 
>> the cracked hose and reset the computer. It takes two driving cycles for the 
>> computer to decide there’s an issue, so I’ll have to drive it a bit to see 
>> if the CEL returns, but I’m optimistic the problem is solved.
>> 
>> Today I’m going to replace the motor mounts and transmission mounts. The 
>> ones on the car are not original and not in too bod shape, but I have a set 
>> of Lemförder mounts that are taking up space on the shelf so I figure i’ll 
>> put them on. I need to replace the fuel filter, too, so maybe I’ll do that 
>> as well.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] A New Oil Specification for GDI Engines

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Phillips/Kendall started shipping GF-6 labeled oil in April, which was 
when the spec became official IIRC.
That was when the oil distributor told me that stuff meeting GF-6 specs 
had been going into GF-5 bottles since about February.


All of which doesn't make one feel better about changing my oil with 
some SN+/GF-5/Dexos1Gen2 Mobil One that I bought in August of 2018, and 
then having my pistons fail 1800 miles later...


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[MBZ] A New Oil Specification for GDI Engines

[Craig via Mercedes]

https://www.rockauto.com/Newsletter/

A New Oil Specification for GDI Engines
Tom's Story

This year brought us a new specification for motor oil; ILSAC GF-6 /
API SP. One of the primary goals of the new oil spec is to reduce
incidence of two problems gasoline direct injection (GDI) engines have
been experiencing.

GDI blasts the fuel directly into the combustion chamber at high
pressure. This leaves less time for the air and fuel to mix together.
The resulting air/fuel mixture may burn unevenly which may generate a
lot of soot. As the pistons move up and down, the soot gets mixed into
the motor oil. The soot travels with the motor oil through the engine
and causes wear.

The most noticeable wear often occurs between the pins and bushings
that hold timing chains together. As the bushing holes wear and
enlarge, the timing chains stretch. Eventually the timing chains may
stretch to the point that they slip across gear teeth or otherwise are
unable to correctly connect the crankshaft to the camshafts. The
computer generates a trouble code, the engine goes into limp-in mode
and/or the engine stops running. GF-6 / SP oil resists collecting and
circulating the harmful soot. GF-6, API SP and API SN PLUS on label
GF-6, API SP and API SN PLUS on label

The second problem, low-speed pre-ignition (LSPI), is also related to
the uneven burning of air/fuel in GDI engines; specifically,
turbocharged GDI engines. When running at relatively low RPM and under
heavy load, like when moving away from a dead stop, severe knocking may
occur inside the cylinders. Scientists figured out that traces of
engine oil mixing and burning with the air/fuel mixture contributes to
the damaging engine knock. GF-5 / SN-Plus spec oil was released a
couple of years ago to combat this problem (watch for the “Plus” after
SN). The new GF-6 / SP oil helps with both the soot and knock problems.

Ford has produced the most turbocharged GDI engines. Small 1L,
three-cylinder Ford EcoBoost engines power Ford Fiestas, and big 3.5L,
six-cylinder EcoBoost motors are in work trucks that rack up a lot of
severe-duty (towing, dust, etc.) miles. The soot and knock problems
have been studied most thoroughly on EcoBoost engines. The new
specification actually requires that new GF-6 / SP oils pass tests
running in Ford EcoBoost motors! GDI shown in description and Info page
GDI / Direct Injection in part descriptions and Info page

These new oils, higher fuel injection pressures, intake manifold port
injection coupled with GDI, etc. help solve these problems on older
engines and prevent them on newer engines. GDI engine owners may be
able to help the most by simply changing their vehicles' motor oil
frequently and always using the correct oil. Instead of waiting for the
longest, light-duty, oil change interval (often 7,000+ miles/11,000+
km), change the oil closer to the severe-duty interval (often 3,000
miles/5,000 km).

You can check to see if your specific vehicle's engine uses GDI by
looking at the “Info” pages and part descriptions for the engine's Fuel
Injectors found under “Fuel & Air” in the RockAuto.com catalog. Find
the correct engine Oil for your vehicle under “Engine.” Oil is also
listed by viscosity/weight under the “Tools & Universal Parts” tab.

Note: The “A” in GF-6A means the oil is a viscosity/weight compatible
with existing engines. The “B” in GF-B means the oil is only to be used
in recent engine designs that require completely new viscosity/weight
oils such as 0W-16.

Tom Taylor,
RockAuto.com

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 430ML

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Ethyl!

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> On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does the ML require high test or regular octane fuel?
> 
>> On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 11:27 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> My V10 tree-magnet pickup gets 10-12 around town, and 15 on long leisurely
>> highway trips.
>> Very strong, 300HP and 450lb-ft on the 8-liter motor, I _expected_ poor
>> mileage out of it.
>> I basically have no room in my life for an SUV, never did.  Most of them
>> now are just tall
>> bug-shaped station wagons.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 430ML

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Does the ML require high test or regular octane fuel?

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 11:27 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My V10 tree-magnet pickup gets 10-12 around town, and 15 on long leisurely
> highway trips.
> Very strong, 300HP and 450lb-ft on the 8-liter motor, I _expected_ poor
> mileage out of it.
> I basically have no room in my life for an SUV, never did.  Most of them
> now are just tall
> bug-shaped station wagons.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Fun

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Did you read the first paragraph?

-D

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Remind us which car this is?
> 
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 10:57 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Just got out from under the car after determining that I don’t need the 
> mounts replaced. I knew the PO did it (OE mounts, too!) but I wasn’t sure how 
> long ago. They’re clearly tall enough that there’s nothing to be gained by 
> replacing them. I did, however, notice that the front sway bar bushings were 
> getting cracked, so I ordered a pair along with a pair of new links. Under 
> $50 for the whole shebang from the dealer, a cheap and easy repair.
> 
> Maybe I’ll tackle the fuel filter now…
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  > > wrote:
> > 
> > And yesterday’s, too.
> > 
> > I’ve had a CEL on the 1998 S210 wagon for some time, P0400, which is the 
> > EGR or related stuff. I replaced it for just that issue about 14 months 
> > ago, and the CEL returned maybe 2-3 months ago. With minimal driving and 
> > knowing it wasn’t anything significant, I just let it go.
> > 
> > As the weather has cooled off here relatively speaking, I went out last 
> > night and spent some time poking around. Found the short U-shaped vacuum 
> > line between the manifold connector and pressure transducer at the EGR was 
> > split at one end. This would definitely cause a P0400 error, so I replaced 
> > the cracked hose and reset the computer. It takes two driving cycles for 
> > the computer to decide there’s an issue, so I’ll have to drive it a bit to 
> > see if the CEL returns, but I’m optimistic the problem is solved.
> > 
> > Today I’m going to replace the motor mounts and transmission mounts. The 
> > ones on the car are not original and not in too bod shape, but I have a set 
> > of Lemförder mounts that are taking up space on the shelf so I figure i’ll 
> > put them on. I need to replace the fuel filter, too, so maybe I’ll do that 
> > as well.
> > 
> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Fun

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Remind us which car this is?

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 10:57 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Just got out from under the car after determining that I don’t need the
> mounts replaced. I knew the PO did it (OE mounts, too!) but I wasn’t sure
> how long ago. They’re clearly tall enough that there’s nothing to be gained
> by replacing them. I did, however, notice that the front sway bar bushings
> were getting cracked, so I ordered a pair along with a pair of new links.
> Under $50 for the whole shebang from the dealer, a cheap and easy repair.
>
> Maybe I’ll tackle the fuel filter now…
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > And yesterday’s, too.
> >
> > I’ve had a CEL on the 1998 S210 wagon for some time, P0400, which is the
> EGR or related stuff. I replaced it for just that issue about 14 months
> ago, and the CEL returned maybe 2-3 months ago. With minimal driving and
> knowing it wasn’t anything significant, I just let it go.
> >
> > As the weather has cooled off here relatively speaking, I went out last
> night and spent some time poking around. Found the short U-shaped vacuum
> line between the manifold connector and pressure transducer at the EGR was
> split at one end. This would definitely cause a P0400 error, so I replaced
> the cracked hose and reset the computer. It takes two driving cycles for
> the computer to decide there’s an issue, so I’ll have to drive it a bit to
> see if the CEL returns, but I’m optimistic the problem is solved.
> >
> > Today I’m going to replace the motor mounts and transmission mounts. The
> ones on the car are not original and not in too bod shape, but I have a set
> of Lemförder mounts that are taking up space on the shelf so I figure i’ll
> put them on. I need to replace the fuel filter, too, so maybe I’ll do that
> as well.
> >
> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 430ML

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

My V10 tree-magnet pickup gets 10-12 around town, and 15 on long leisurely 
highway trips.
Very strong, 300HP and 450lb-ft on the 8-liter motor, I _expected_ poor mileage 
out of it.
I basically have no room in my life for an SUV, never did.  Most of them now 
are just tall
bug-shaped station wagons.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 430ML

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

that's good to know.  I've only done mostly some rural/sorta in town 
driving and it was only like half a tank, so will need to watch it as I 
do more driving.


Interestingly enough, the 210 E320 and 211 E320 wagon both seem to do 
about the same whether around town/country or road-tripping, 28 and 23 
respectively, which is somewhat respectable.  The E300 dizzel was around 
30 most of the time which was quite nice.  That engine in a wagon would 
be great.  I wonder how hard it would be to swap it into a gasser 210 wagon.


--FT

On 10/3/20 11:06 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On 2020-10-03 11:01, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

Yeah I am going to put a 5000lb hitch on the ML500 and was thinking it
would be an OK tow vehicle but it would probably run in the single
digits mpg-wise pulling a trailer and a car,  Damn. My trucks aren't
quite that bad, and on regular fuel too.


I got 19ish hauling an empty dolly to Cleveland and hauling a 2900lb 
car back home.
The long drive offset the towing, mpg was pretty much identical to 
short haul rural driving.

2003 ML350.

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[MBZ] I should sell the $2200 05E320 wagon

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

with asking prices like these I could make some serious profit to fund 
more addictions


https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/d/jacksonville-04-mercedes-e320-4matic-1/7206811398.html

https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/d/albemarle-2004-mercedes-e320-wagon-4/7206815402.html

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 430ML

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-10-03 11:01, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

Yeah I am going to put a 5000lb hitch on the ML500 and was thinking it
would be an OK tow vehicle but it would probably run in the single
digits mpg-wise pulling a trailer and a car,  Damn. My trucks aren't
quite that bad, and on regular fuel too.


I got 19ish hauling an empty dolly to Cleveland and hauling a 2900lb car 
back home.
The long drive offset the towing, mpg was pretty much identical to short 
haul rural driving.

2003 ML350.

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 430ML

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah I am going to put a 5000lb hitch on the ML500 and was thinking it 
would be an OK tow vehicle but it would probably run in the single 
digits mpg-wise pulling a trailer and a car,  Damn. My trucks aren't 
quite that bad, and on regular fuel too.


--FT

On 10/3/20 9:44 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

Geared for towing, large frontal area (about twice a sedan) and an order of 
magnitude higher under-body drag.

Same deal as other SUVs and pickup trucks.

Probably rather high rolling resistance too.
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just got out from under the car after determining that I don’t need the mounts 
replaced. I knew the PO did it (OE mounts, too!) but I wasn’t sure how long 
ago. They’re clearly tall enough that there’s nothing to be gained by replacing 
them. I did, however, notice that the front sway bar bushings were getting 
cracked, so I ordered a pair along with a pair of new links. Under $50 for the 
whole shebang from the dealer, a cheap and easy repair.

Maybe I’ll tackle the fuel filter now…

-D

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> And yesterday’s, too.
> 
> I’ve had a CEL on the 1998 S210 wagon for some time, P0400, which is the EGR 
> or related stuff. I replaced it for just that issue about 14 months ago, and 
> the CEL returned maybe 2-3 months ago. With minimal driving and knowing it 
> wasn’t anything significant, I just let it go.
> 
> As the weather has cooled off here relatively speaking, I went out last night 
> and spent some time poking around. Found the short U-shaped vacuum line 
> between the manifold connector and pressure transducer at the EGR was split 
> at one end. This would definitely cause a P0400 error, so I replaced the 
> cracked hose and reset the computer. It takes two driving cycles for the 
> computer to decide there’s an issue, so I’ll have to drive it a bit to see if 
> the CEL returns, but I’m optimistic the problem is solved.
> 
> Today I’m going to replace the motor mounts and transmission mounts. The ones 
> on the car are not original and not in too bod shape, but I have a set of 
> Lemförder mounts that are taking up space on the shelf so I figure i’ll put 
> them on. I need to replace the fuel filter, too, so maybe I’ll do that as 
> well.
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 430ML

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

If you can't afford the fuel, you can't afford the repair bills.
Self-Filtering Owner Selection.  YMWV (your mileage won't vary).
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 430ML

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

The 320 is rated 15mpg combined city/highway. That matches with what I recall 
about my last one. That is about what my 3/4 ton Duramax gets while towing a 
fully loaded trailer. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 8:46 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I can understand the ML500, but I would have thought the 320s would do 
> better. No doubt a lot of the energy is lost in the drive train.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> That is one thing I never understood about the ML, why they seem to get such 
>> poor fuel mileage. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Oct 3, 2020, at 8:11 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah speakinawhich... I did a gas check on the $675ML500 (now $700 with 
>>> the new ignition switch) yesterday.  Filled up at Costco.  I had noticed 
>>> the gauge seemed to decline rather rapidly. 14.6mpg. Ugh. My trucks do 
>>> better than that. It is kinda funner to mash the pedal though...
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Except for the gas you would have to put in it.
 
 -D
 
>> On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:27 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
>> On 2020-10-03 07:13, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> That could be a good cheepcheep project. Get the fancy computer or a
>> good scanner, diagnose it and get it running. If it wasn’t so far I’d
>> jump on that.
> 
> A $1000 ML (assuming it doesn't need tires) would be a neat thing for 
> driving up to the cabin in Maine.
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 430ML

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Except my 3/4 ton pickup and suburban get about the same or more often better 
mileage than a ML320. 

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> On Oct 3, 2020, at 8:45 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
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> 
> Geared for towing, large frontal area (about twice a sedan) and an order of 
> magnitude higher under-body drag.
> 
> Same deal as other SUVs and pickup trucks.
> 
> Probably rather high rolling resistance too.
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 430ML

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On 2020-10-03 09:37, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

That is one thing I never understood about the ML, why they seem to
get such poor fuel mileage.


Compared to my wagon, it's got a bigger V6 running at higher rpms, more 
weight, worse aerodynamics, big truck tires...
Should all that add up to the difference between 28 mpg and 19 mpg? I 
don't know, but I think I like the wagon better. It rides better too.


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 430ML

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I can understand the ML500, but I would have thought the 320s would do better. 
No doubt a lot of the energy is lost in the drive train.

-D

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That is one thing I never understood about the ML, why they seem to get such 
> poor fuel mileage. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2020, at 8:11 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah speakinawhich... I did a gas check on the $675ML500 (now $700 with the 
>> new ignition switch) yesterday.  Filled up at Costco.  I had noticed the 
>> gauge seemed to decline rather rapidly. 14.6mpg. Ugh. My trucks do better 
>> than that. It is kinda funner to mash the pedal though...
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Except for the gas you would have to put in it.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:27 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
> On 2020-10-03 07:13, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> That could be a good cheepcheep project. Get the fancy computer or a
> good scanner, diagnose it and get it running. If it wasn’t so far I’d
> jump on that.
 
 A $1000 ML (assuming it doesn't need tires) would be a neat thing for 
 driving up to the cabin in Maine.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 430ML

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Geared for towing, large frontal area (about twice a sedan) and an order of 
magnitude higher under-body drag.

Same deal as other SUVs and pickup trucks.

Probably rather high rolling resistance too.
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 430ML

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

That is one thing I never understood about the ML, why they seem to get such 
poor fuel mileage. 

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> On Oct 3, 2020, at 8:11 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah speakinawhich... I did a gas check on the $675ML500 (now $700 with the 
> new ignition switch) yesterday.  Filled up at Costco.  I had noticed the 
> gauge seemed to decline rather rapidly. 14.6mpg. Ugh. My trucks do better 
> than that. It is kinda funner to mash the pedal though...
> 
> --FT
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>> On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Except for the gas you would have to put in it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:27 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
 On 2020-10-03 07:13, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
 That could be a good cheepcheep project. Get the fancy computer or a
 good scanner, diagnose it and get it running. If it wasn’t so far I’d
 jump on that.
>>> 
>>> A $1000 ML (assuming it doesn't need tires) would be a neat thing for 
>>> driving up to the cabin in Maine.
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[MBZ] Today's Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And yesterday’s, too.

I’ve had a CEL on the 1998 S210 wagon for some time, P0400, which is the EGR or 
related stuff. I replaced it for just that issue about 14 months ago, and the 
CEL returned maybe 2-3 months ago. With minimal driving and knowing it wasn’t 
anything significant, I just let it go.

As the weather has cooled off here relatively speaking, I went out last night 
and spent some time poking around. Found the short U-shaped vacuum line between 
the manifold connector and pressure transducer at the EGR was split at one end. 
This would definitely cause a P0400 error, so I replaced the cracked hose and 
reset the computer. It takes two driving cycles for the computer to decide 
there’s an issue, so I’ll have to drive it a bit to see if the CEL returns, but 
I’m optimistic the problem is solved.

Today I’m going to replace the motor mounts and transmission mounts. The ones 
on the car are not original and not in too bod shape, but I have a set of 
Lemförder mounts that are taking up space on the shelf so I figure i’ll put 
them on. I need to replace the fuel filter, too, so maybe I’ll do that as well.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 430ML

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yup. The ML500 was lucky to average 14mpg on a good tank. However, when you 
mashed on that accelerator, it definitely stood up on it’s hind legs, so to 
speak.

-D

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah speakinawhich... I did a gas check on the $675ML500 (now $700 with the 
> new ignition switch) yesterday.  Filled up at Costco.  I had noticed the 
> gauge seemed to decline rather rapidly. 14.6mpg. Ugh. My trucks do better 
> than that. It is kinda funner to mash the pedal though...
> 
> --FT
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>> On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Except for the gas you would have to put in it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:27 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 On 2020-10-03 07:13, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
 That could be a good cheepcheep project. Get the fancy computer or a
 good scanner, diagnose it and get it running. If it wasn’t so far I’d
 jump on that.
>>> 
>>> A $1000 ML (assuming it doesn't need tires) would be a neat thing for 
>>> driving up to the cabin in Maine.
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 430ML

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Yeah speakinawhich... I did a gas check on the $675ML500 (now $700 with the new 
ignition switch) yesterday.  Filled up at Costco.  I had noticed the gauge 
seemed to decline rather rapidly. 14.6mpg. Ugh. My trucks do better than that. 
It is kinda funner to mash the pedal though...

--FT
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> On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Except for the gas you would have to put in it.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:27 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2020-10-03 07:13, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>>> That could be a good cheepcheep project. Get the fancy computer or a
>>> good scanner, diagnose it and get it running. If it wasn’t so far I’d
>>> jump on that.
>> 
>> A $1000 ML (assuming it doesn't need tires) would be a neat thing for 
>> driving up to the cabin in Maine.
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 430ML

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Except for the gas you would have to put in it.

-D

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:27 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020-10-03 07:13, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> That could be a good cheepcheep project. Get the fancy computer or a
>> good scanner, diagnose it and get it running. If it wasn’t so far I’d
>> jump on that.
> 
> A $1000 ML (assuming it doesn't need tires) would be a neat thing for driving 
> up to the cabin in Maine.
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 430ML

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-10-03 07:13, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

That could be a good cheepcheep project. Get the fancy computer or a
good scanner, diagnose it and get it running. If it wasn’t so far I’d
jump on that.


A $1000 ML (assuming it doesn't need tires) would be a neat thing for 
driving up to the cabin in Maine.


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 430ML

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

That could be a good cheepcheep project. Get the fancy computer or a good 
scanner, diagnose it and get it running. If it wasn’t so far I’d jump on that. 

--FT
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> On Oct 2, 2020, at 10:09 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes 
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