Re: [MBZ] Who needs a Sprinter?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Sure doesn't look like enough damage to total it. Wonder what State Farm
was thinking here?

Craig via Mercedes  writes:

> On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 21:25:38 -0400
> Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes  wrote:
>
>> > https://www.copart.com/lot/43609820/clean-title-2018-mercedes-benz-g-550-4x4-squared-tx-dallas?intcmp=web_lds_stf_43609820_20201008
>>
>> Keep an eye on that. I wonder how much it will go for
>
> It's $225 right now.
>
>
> Craig
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Contact Cleaner

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>1) Make sure the unit is unpowered.   Don't ask me how I know this.
>2) Spray contact cleaner on contacts while working them.

Yeah. It took a couple of weeks for my eyebrows to grow back after cleaning 
some powered contacts several decades ago.

Lesson learned.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Contact Cleaner

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

You need a Dim Bulb Tester for this -- put a incandescent light bulb in series 
with the hot side of the power plug.  Unlike a Variac (which reduces the 
voltage) the light bulb will limit the current, allowing you to troubleshoot 
without frying anything.

The lamp should go bright as the filter capacitors charge, then go fairly to 
very dim with no inputs and the volume all the way down.  if it stays bright or 
only slightly dims, you have a short somewhere.

Electrolytic capacitors have a defined life, and a Philco console is what, 55 
or so years old now, or older?  All the electrolytic caps need to be replaced 
-- as they dry out they become resistors (or worse, shorts) and not only do not 
do what they are supposed to but can actually cause current drains or damage 
transistors.

I just revived my 1980 Kenwood KA-80 this year, at long last, had several blown 
zener diodes and a shorted Darlington Power Pak output module.  Couple of the 
transistors driving the output module were bad too, and I still have issues 
with the phono pre-amp I will need an oscilloscope figure out.

If you don't have good electronics skills, best to have a professional work on 
it.  A lot of those transistors (especially germanium ones) are no longer 
around, even on eBay and the dark recesses of old parts supply places.  It 
would be a shame to fry something by accident that's unobtanium, rendering the 
console useless.
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Re: [MBZ] Who needs a Sprinter?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 21:25:38 -0400
Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes  wrote:

> > https://www.copart.com/lot/43609820/clean-title-2018-mercedes-benz-g-550-4x4-squared-tx-dallas?intcmp=web_lds_stf_43609820_20201008
>
> Keep an eye on that. I wonder how much it will go for

It's $225 right now.


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>The used car market is a real b*tch right now. Slim pickings everywhere.


Wait until after Thanksgiving. Between Thanksgiving and tax return season there 
should be some deals to be found.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Please do. I am looking for a 4-matic for SWMBO.


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

Let me say this very clearly- 4matic is worth it.
I can say more if any one wants.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Let me say this very clearly- 4matic is worth it.
I can say more if any one wants.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 10:11 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Curley McLain via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > Bull crap:  "My RWD diesels (W116 and W123) are useless in the snow."
> > They were only incompetent in schnee because they had bad tires on. The
> > 123 or 126 does not choose the tires it is on.
> >
> > As Jim says, tires and weight in the right places are key, as with any
> > vehicle.
>
> As they say in the fine print, "your experience may differ."
>
> Willing to believe it's the tires, however I also feel like the asphalt
> used around here is somehow very slippery. Even on just a rainy day I'll
> get wheel spin driving up a slope, or starting uphill at a 4-way stop.
>
> Once in the winter I was driving back home from Nashville, IN in my
> 300D. It had been snowing for about an hour. There's a fairly long
> curving downhill grade at one point. Familiar with it, I crested the top
> at about 5 mph, and could not control the car on the downhill. Could not
> stop, the wheels locked at the slightest brake application and the car
> slid by its own weight. I was able to veer to the right and got two
> wheels on the gravel shoulder, got some traction, and drove down the
> rest of the hill like that.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Curley McLain via Mercedes  writes:

> Bull crap:  "My RWD diesels (W116 and W123) are useless in the snow."
> They were only incompetent in schnee because they had bad tires on. The 
> 123 or 126 does not choose the tires it is on.
>
> As Jim says, tires and weight in the right places are key, as with any 
> vehicle.

As they say in the fine print, "your experience may differ."

Willing to believe it's the tires, however I also feel like the asphalt
used around here is somehow very slippery. Even on just a rainy day I'll
get wheel spin driving up a slope, or starting uphill at a 4-way stop.

Once in the winter I was driving back home from Nashville, IN in my
300D. It had been snowing for about an hour. There's a fairly long
curving downhill grade at one point. Familiar with it, I crested the top
at about 5 mph, and could not control the car on the downhill. Could not
stop, the wheels locked at the slightest brake application and the car
slid by its own weight. I was able to veer to the right and got two
wheels on the gravel shoulder, got some traction, and drove down the
rest of the hill like that.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Contact Cleaner

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Well this old girl came right to life, 35 or 40 years of dust cooking off, 
tubes glowing familiarly, warmly. It sounds pretty damn good. I just think it’s 
odd that when i enter the model number into the Google machine nothing comes 
up. 

Bob R

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> On Oct 12, 2020, at 6:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It's usually the old, dried up electrolytic capacitors, and they are easy
> to see - the bottom is usually pushed out. IIRC, you have replaced those in
> MB boards - the big old console will be easier to work on.
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:03 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I need to find some vintage radio repair guy I guess, not something I’m
>> going to tackle.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Oct 12, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 
 [I] do not know anything about replacing transistors
>>> 
>>> It has to be done carefully, else your replacements pop just like the
>> originals did.
>>> Bringing them up slowly on a Variac and probing carefully around the
>> circuitry to
>>> keep an eye on things along the way is often a very good thing.  Check
>> the capacitors
>>> first, it's likely that some other circuit component failed first and
>> the rest all went in
>>> a cascade.
>>> 
> i suppose contact cleaner is in order?
>>> 
>>> Yes.  I swear by Caig De-Ox-It.
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
>>> 
>> 
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> 
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
> Von Braun
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Re: [MBZ] Contact Cleaner

[OK Don via Mercedes]

It's usually the old, dried up electrolytic capacitors, and they are easy
to see - the bottom is usually pushed out. IIRC, you have replaced those in
MB boards - the big old console will be easier to work on.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:03 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I need to find some vintage radio repair guy I guess, not something I’m
> going to tackle.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 12, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> >
> > 
> >>
> >> [I] do not know anything about replacing transistors
> >
> > It has to be done carefully, else your replacements pop just like the
> originals did.
> > Bringing them up slowly on a Variac and probing carefully around the
> circuitry to
> > keep an eye on things along the way is often a very good thing.  Check
> the capacitors
> > first, it's likely that some other circuit component failed first and
> the rest all went in
> > a cascade.
> >
> >>> i suppose contact cleaner is in order?
> >
> > Yes.  I swear by Caig De-Ox-It.
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Contact Cleaner

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I need to find some vintage radio repair guy I guess, not something I’m going 
to tackle. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 12, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> [I] do not know anything about replacing transistors
> 
> It has to be done carefully, else your replacements pop just like the 
> originals did.
> Bringing them up slowly on a Variac and probing carefully around the 
> circuitry to
> keep an eye on things along the way is often a very good thing.  Check the 
> capacitors
> first, it's likely that some other circuit component failed first and the 
> rest all went in
> a cascade.
> 
>>> i suppose contact cleaner is in order?
> 
> Yes.  I swear by Caig De-Ox-It.
> 
> -- Jim
> 


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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> I've tried sandbags in the trunk. It helps, but only a little. I think
> the tires have been my downfall.

In all probability.  I swear by Hakkapeliittaa studded snow tires, the
difference is truly amazing and they last forever.  (I get 7-10 years
out of a set.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Contact Cleaner

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> [I] do not know anything about replacing transistors

It has to be done carefully, else your replacements pop just like the originals 
did.
Bringing them up slowly on a Variac and probing carefully around the circuitry 
to
keep an eye on things along the way is often a very good thing.  Check the 
capacitors
first, it's likely that some other circuit component failed first and the rest 
all went in
a cascade.

>> i suppose contact cleaner is in order?

Yes.  I swear by Caig De-Ox-It.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Contact Cleaner

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I am also somewhat into old console stereos. I have one I bought at a thrift 
store we i was about 14. It is a fancy maganvox and as far as I know still 
works. Have not fired it up in many years. I also have my grandmothers RCA from 
about 1968 that I used to listen to when I was at her house. I was playing it 
one time back in about 1991 when it made a loud popping sound and no longer 
worked after that. She had it checked out and it needed some transistors 
replaced I believe. She didn’t want to spend the money on it so it’s not been 
used since. I would really like to get it fixed but do not know anything about 
replacing transistors and not sure where to find anybody to work on it. 

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> On Oct 12, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On my truck swap trip with my pops, we picked up a few things languishing in 
> Illinois that we’ve wanted in AZ for quite awhile. One thing in particular is 
> my wife’s grandmother’s  console stereo. 
> It’s a Philco. I’m having trouble finding info on it. It hasn’t been 
> energized in probably 40 years, but it works well. All i’ve done so far is 
> take the back off, vacuumed the schmutz out, took some canned air to it. 
> The tuning for the FM is a little staticky so i suppose contact cleaner is in 
> order? 
> Do i just unplug it, spray as many contacts as i see, let it dry overnight 
> and try again tomorrow? 
> I’m going to get a new needle/cartridge, even though Queen News of The World 
> sounded just fine. Good source? 
> Oh, my new 2005 Dodge 2500 SLT 4x4 Cummins 5.9 ram like a scalded dog...after 
> I got after it in the mountains...Eye-talian tuneups galore. 24mpg , took it 
> up over Wolf Creek pass, didn’t miss a beat. 
> 
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Contact Cleaner

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

1) Make sure the unit is unpowered.   Don't ask me how I know this.
2) Spray contact cleaner on contacts while working them.
3) Dry with canned air.
4) Plug in and enjoy improved sound!

-MMM-

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On my truck swap trip with my pops, we picked up a few things languishing
> in Illinois that we’ve wanted in AZ for quite awhile. One thing in
> particular is my wife’s grandmother’s  console stereo.
> It’s a Philco. I’m having trouble finding info on it. It hasn’t been
> energized in probably 40 years, but it works well. All i’ve done so far is
> take the back off, vacuumed the schmutz out, took some canned air to it.
> The tuning for the FM is a little staticky so i suppose contact cleaner is
> in order?
> Do i just unplug it, spray as many contacts as i see, let it dry overnight
> and try again tomorrow?
> I’m going to get a new needle/cartridge, even though Queen News of The
> World sounded just fine. Good source?
> Oh, my new 2005 Dodge 2500 SLT 4x4 Cummins 5.9 ram like a scalded
> dog...after I got after it in the mountains...Eye-talian tuneups galore.
> 24mpg , took it up over Wolf Creek pass, didn’t miss a beat.
>
> Bob R
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[MBZ] Contact Cleaner

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

On my truck swap trip with my pops, we picked up a few things languishing in 
Illinois that we’ve wanted in AZ for quite awhile. One thing in particular is 
my wife’s grandmother’s  console stereo. 
It’s a Philco. I’m having trouble finding info on it. It hasn’t been energized 
in probably 40 years, but it works well. All i’ve done so far is take the back 
off, vacuumed the schmutz out, took some canned air to it. 
The tuning for the FM is a little staticky so i suppose contact cleaner is in 
order? 
Do i just unplug it, spray as many contacts as i see, let it dry overnight and 
try again tomorrow? 
I’m going to get a new needle/cartridge, even though Queen News of The World 
sounded just fine. Good source? 
Oh, my new 2005 Dodge 2500 SLT 4x4 Cummins 5.9 ram like a scalded dog...after I 
got after it in the mountains...Eye-talian tuneups galore. 24mpg , took it up 
over Wolf Creek pass, didn’t miss a beat. 

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Bull crap:  "My RWD diesels (W116 and W123) are useless in the snow."
They were only incompetent in schnee because they had bad tires on. The 
123 or 126 does not choose the tires it is on.


As Jim says, tires and weight in the right places are key, as with any 
vehicle.


My 123 went everywhere in the schnee (Farstone schnee tars)
My first SDL, when I put used Blizzaks on all 4 corners was like driving 
on dry pavement, until the schnee gets so deep the body floats, causing 
the tires to lose contact with the road.   Uphill, down it did not matter.

Tires!  The most important insurance policy for your vehicle!

Daughter's 124 vergasser on Blizzaks was also unstoppable in schnee.

Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
October 12, 2020 at 5:07 PM

My W115 was great in the snow. Proper snow tires, and maybe
a little bit of trunk weight, are the keys. For the hills, you also need
some brass balls sometimes. Momentum going up the hills is a
requirement.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Learn something each day

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Vast majority of hard cider/ sparkling cider and what is sold as grape 
"champagne" is wine carbonated like soda water.  (Artificial carbonation 
= large bubbles))


Real cider (As the English call it) is naturally carbonated in the 
champagne process, (A second fermentation in the bottle) (Natural 
carbonation = tiny bubbles, as in Don Ho)


My apple champagne is apple wine subjected to the champagne process. 
(second fermentation in the bottle)  With live yeast.  No sulfites added 
to kill the yeast.   It has about 15 atm pressure in the bottle.  That 
means VERY tiny bubbles.   No commercial bubbly has pressure that 
high.   It has to be chilled to 22-25ºF before opening to tame it enough 
so that it does not blow to the ceiling when uncapped.


I was fortunate enough to get a private tour of the facility that makes 
one of the largest/oldest brands of hard cider.   They make wine from 
chinee apple juice concentrate (no extra charge for formaldehyde) and 
water.  Then they run it through a carbonator and bottle it like pop. Yuk!



Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
October 11, 2020 at 5:21 PM
Apple champagne or sparkling cider? What's the diff?

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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I drove the 107, 115, 123, and 126 in the occasional ice and snow in OK,
with plenty of hills. Absolutely the worst place was our street and
driveway. I always managed, but it was close sometimes, and a few times I
had to leave one in the street because I couldn't get it up the drive.
Then I got the 2000 ML350. It is the only car (including a Saab Sonnett
III) that had NO problem climbing and iced over drive. It just went right
on up like nothing was wrong. Stopping was no better than anything else
though.
I was (am) very impressed by the ML 4matic - and that was the first
version. I out ran several Jeeps and 4WD pickups in OKC on the hills at
lights with the Saab, back in the day, but the ML was hands down better.
I've never driven a 4matic sedan - don't know how they compare.
We now have the all wheel drive Subaru, but we haven't had significant ice
or snow since we got it to compare to the ML.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:20 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Jim Cathey  writes:
>
> >> My RWD diesels (W116 and W123) are useless in the snow.
> >
> > My W115 was great in the snow.  Proper snow tires, and maybe
> > a little bit of trunk weight, are the keys.  For the hills, you also need
> > some brass balls sometimes.  Momentum going up the hills is a
> > requirement.
>
> I've tried sandbags in the trunk. It helps, but only a little. I think
> the tires have been my downfall. Lower-end all-season radials just have
> zero grip in the snow, especially wet icy snow.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Jim Cathey  writes:

>> My RWD diesels (W116 and W123) are useless in the snow.
>
> My W115 was great in the snow.  Proper snow tires, and maybe
> a little bit of trunk weight, are the keys.  For the hills, you also need
> some brass balls sometimes.  Momentum going up the hills is a
> requirement.

I've tried sandbags in the trunk. It helps, but only a little. I think
the tires have been my downfall. Lower-end all-season radials just have
zero grip in the snow, especially wet icy snow.

Allan

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[MBZ] winter tires

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Dan's recent query has me thinking about winter tires (specifically for
my XC90 as I try to keep my old MBs out of the salt).

Discount Tire showing these in the "best" rating category for snow
tires, with the Bridgestone and Michelin similarly priced and the Nokian
substantially more.

Bridgestone Blizzak DMV2 vs. Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3 SUV vs. Michelin
Latitude X-Ice Xi2

Any first-hand experiences?

Allan



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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> My RWD diesels (W116 and W123) are useless in the snow.

My W115 was great in the snow.  Proper snow tires, and maybe
a little bit of trunk weight, are the keys.  For the hills, you also need
some brass balls sometimes.  Momentum going up the hills is a
requirement.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 1980's

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Npt too far from here.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Good points, Allen, however, I know where you live and fortunately I won’t have 
the challenges you do as far as hills.

Based on your experiences it sounds like 4Matic would be beneficial anyway.

Thanks!

-D

> On Oct 12, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you're talking about Indiana specifically, I can relate my
> experiences.
> 
> My RWD diesels (W116 and W123) are useless in the snow. Especially with
> the diesel torque they spin out very easily. Out in the county there are
> some hills that have created predicaments for me more than once.
> 
> Same thing has happened with my FWD Volvo XC90, though at the time I was
> also being limited by the traction control. I didn't realize it could be
> turned off and that might have helped me get a better running start at
> the hill. As it was I was close to home so I had one of the boys come
> with the 4WD Frontier and a chain which pulled the Volvo and itself up
> the same hill without issue.
> 
> The one thing missing from the above is good snow tires. I've never
> sprung for that expense, though the Volvo needs new front tires before
> the winter so I will probably do that this winter.
> 
> The AWD Element, prior to its current transmission issues, has also been
> good in snow and has all-season tires.
> 
> So I would say if you're not getting the 4Matic, at least plan to get
> good snow tires.
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> I’m curious to know from those who have experienced it - do you think the 
>> 4Matic is worthwhile in inclement weather or northern climates with snow?
>> 
>> I ask because I was considering this as a requirement for my northern car, 
>> but it’s narrowed the choices so much that I’m wondering if I’m 
>> overemphasizing the value of it.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

If you're talking about Indiana specifically, I can relate my
experiences.

My RWD diesels (W116 and W123) are useless in the snow. Especially with
the diesel torque they spin out very easily. Out in the county there are
some hills that have created predicaments for me more than once.

Same thing has happened with my FWD Volvo XC90, though at the time I was
also being limited by the traction control. I didn't realize it could be
turned off and that might have helped me get a better running start at
the hill. As it was I was close to home so I had one of the boys come
with the 4WD Frontier and a chain which pulled the Volvo and itself up
the same hill without issue.

The one thing missing from the above is good snow tires. I've never
sprung for that expense, though the Volvo needs new front tires before
the winter so I will probably do that this winter.

The AWD Element, prior to its current transmission issues, has also been
good in snow and has all-season tires.

So I would say if you're not getting the 4Matic, at least plan to get
good snow tires.

Allan


Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> I’m curious to know from those who have experienced it - do you think the 
> 4Matic is worthwhile in inclement weather or northern climates with snow?
>
> I ask because I was considering this as a requirement for my northern car, 
> but it’s narrowed the choices so much that I’m wondering if I’m 
> overemphasizing the value of it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -D

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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

04 would still be m112 but 3.7L. Still just as reliable. 

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> On Oct 12, 2020, at 4:04 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Probably not that often, but if I’m going to find a car for there, I would 
> prefer it to be equipped for the climate in case we’re up there in the winter.
> 
> I’ve been looking at MLs around here, too. Almost nothing. There’s a 2004 
> ML350 I could get for a good price, but it’s got 140k on it, meaning the 
> balance shaft is probably about ready to pop. I don’t need/want/have time for 
> projects right now.
> 
> The used car market is a real b*tch right now. Slim pickings everywhere.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’m curious to know from those who have experienced it - do you think the 
>> 4Matic is worthwhile in inclement weather or northern climates with snow?
>> 
>> I ask because I was considering this as a requirement for my northern car, 
>> but it’s narrowed the choices so much that I’m wondering if I’m 
>> overemphasizing the value of it.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks, Mitch! Didn’t know that, just made the assumption since it’s badged as 
an ML350.

I may check it out.

-D


> On Oct 12, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020-10-12 16:03, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Probably not that often, but if I’m going to find a car for there, I
>> would prefer it to be equipped for the climate in case we’re up there
>> in the winter.
>> I’ve been looking at MLs around here, too. Almost nothing. There’s a
>> 2004 ML350 I could get for a good price, but it’s got 140k on it,
>> meaning the balance shaft is probably about ready to pop. I don’t
>> need/want/have time for projects right now.
> 
> Check the data card.
> My 2003 has the 3.7L M112, with the ignition coils that never make it to 300k.
> As best as I can recall, they never put the junk 3.5 in the W163, just W211 
> and W164.
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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

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On 2020-10-12 16:03, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Probably not that often, but if I’m going to find a car for there, I
would prefer it to be equipped for the climate in case we’re up there
in the winter.

I’ve been looking at MLs around here, too. Almost nothing. There’s a
2004 ML350 I could get for a good price, but it’s got 140k on it,
meaning the balance shaft is probably about ready to pop. I don’t
need/want/have time for projects right now.


Check the data card.
My 2003 has the 3.7L M112, with the ignition coils that never make it to 
300k.
As best as I can recall, they never put the junk 3.5 in the W163, just 
W211 and W164.


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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I love my 2005  E320 4matic. I have owned many 4WD & AWD over the years &
this is the best. I really don't meed it here but it also handles well in
the rain. Only problem i have had was bearing problem in transfer case.
Dealer fixed it for 300.00.

Has 184 k miles.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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> I’m curious to know from those who have experienced it - do you think the
> 4Matic is worthwhile in inclement weather or northern climates with snow?
>
> I ask because I was considering this as a requirement for my northern car,
> but it’s narrowed the choices so much that I’m wondering if I’m
> overemphasizing the value of it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Probably not that often, but if I’m going to find a car for there, I would 
prefer it to be equipped for the climate in case we’re up there in the winter.

I’ve been looking at MLs around here, too. Almost nothing. There’s a 2004 ML350 
I could get for a good price, but it’s got 140k on it, meaning the balance 
shaft is probably about ready to pop. I don’t need/want/have time for projects 
right now.

The used car market is a real b*tch right now. Slim pickings everywhere.

-D



> On Oct 12, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’m curious to know from those who have experienced it - do you think the 
> 4Matic is worthwhile in inclement weather or northern climates with snow?
> 
> I ask because I was considering this as a requirement for my northern car, 
> but it’s narrowed the choices so much that I’m wondering if I’m 
> overemphasizing the value of it.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

How often will you be using it in the ice and snow? Maybe you should look at an 
ML?

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> On Oct 12, 2020, at 3:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’m curious to know from those who have experienced it - do you think the 
> 4Matic is worthwhile in inclement weather or northern climates with snow?
> 
> I ask because I was considering this as a requirement for my northern car, 
> but it’s narrowed the choices so much that I’m wondering if I’m 
> overemphasizing the value of it.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -D
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[MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 1980's

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

Okie acres too?
Fred.

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[MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m curious to know from those who have experienced it - do you think the 
4Matic is worthwhile in inclement weather or northern climates with snow?

I ask because I was considering this as a requirement for my northern car, but 
it’s narrowed the choices so much that I’m wondering if I’m overemphasizing the 
value of it.

Thanks,

-D
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Re: [MBZ] senior citizen owned and driven

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Mitch beat me to it.

Also until the oil cooler starts leaking and you have to replace the seal.

-D

> On Oct 12, 2020, at 4:18 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> Might be a decent deal?
> 
> https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-2006-mercedes-350/721167.html
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Re: [MBZ] senior citizen owned and driven

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On 2020-10-12 15:18, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Might be a decent deal?

https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-2006-mercedes-350/721167.html


Until the balance shaft chain sprockets go toothless like Larry Turner's 
(and pretty much everybody else's).


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[MBZ] senior citizen owned and driven

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Might be a decent deal?

https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-2006-mercedes-350/721167.html

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Re: [MBZ] I was nearly killed today

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I always thought she was really hot but she doesn't seem too bright.

I saw her daddy jogging in BH once with a woman who was like half (or 
maybe a third) his age, she was very cute.  I'm sure she loved him for 
his personality.


--FT

On 10/12/20 12:56 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Ran into her on the sidewalk in Dec carrying a vase of a dozen roses for my
wife's B-day. She put out her arms, looked straight at me, gave me a
surprised look and said "FOR ME!???".  Then said "BEAUTIFUL" and walked by.

These people are in showbiz for a reason.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 4:25 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:


Is that like Jaimie Lee Curtis’ “bifidus regularus”?

-D


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You can take some laxatives to help avert that

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When I strained my rectus muscle

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Re: [MBZ] post office higher-ups are removing the German automaker's iconic three-point star emblem from the front of the vehicles

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Of the carriers here that use their own vehicle, most seem to use a RHD Jeep 
Cherokee or a RHD Subaru.

I see one every so often that has an old Jeep DJ.

Allan


OK Don via Mercedes  writes:

> Our regular carrier drives a right side drive Jeep, and the substitute
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>
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>> We had a contract carrier a few years ago that had a basic Chevy, like a
>> Cavalier or Impala, that had rigged a steering wheel on the right side of
>> the cabin with a spare steering column and a couple of bicycle sprockets
>> and chain. It looked real Rube Goldberg but it was actually pretty cool. Of
>> course the car was a beater, but it did the job.
>>
>> -D
>>
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>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > All of the carriers from Olivet and some of them  from Charlotte are
>> still delivering in private vehicles. (my mom's Charlotte route is served
>> with a USPS van, mine by whatever the carrier owns)
>> >
>> > And it's getting harder and harder to find something with a clear floor
>> that lets you stab at the pedals from the right seat. Something, especially
>> something hybrid or long range EV, that lets you switch sides with the
>> steering wheel would be perfect for rural carriers, if the pedals are
>> likewise usable.
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Re: [MBZ] I was nearly killed today

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Ran into her on the sidewalk in Dec carrying a vase of a dozen roses for my
wife's B-day. She put out her arms, looked straight at me, gave me a
surprised look and said "FOR ME!???".  Then said "BEAUTIFUL" and walked by.

These people are in showbiz for a reason.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 4:25 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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> Is that like Jaimie Lee Curtis’ “bifidus regularus”?
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 8, 2020, at 6:51 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> > You can take some laxatives to help avert that
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT How many kilos of coke...

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Liters. Liters of coke. And Menthos. Can you fit in your back yard. Or
catch snakes with?

On Sun, Oct 11, 2020, 8:32 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> could I fit in here for a high-speed run from Miami to New York City?
> Even if I had to double the miles on it?
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> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-ferrari-testarossa-23/
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Re: [MBZ] post office higher-ups are removing the German automaker's iconic three-point star emblem from the front of the vehicles

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Our regular carrier drives a right side drive Jeep, and the substitute
driver sits in the right seat and drives a regular crown vic.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 11:05 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> We had a contract carrier a few years ago that had a basic Chevy, like a
> Cavalier or Impala, that had rigged a steering wheel on the right side of
> the cabin with a spare steering column and a couple of bicycle sprockets
> and chain. It looked real Rube Goldberg but it was actually pretty cool. Of
> course the car was a beater, but it did the job.
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 12, 2020, at 11:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > All of the carriers from Olivet and some of them  from Charlotte are
> still delivering in private vehicles. (my mom's Charlotte route is served
> with a USPS van, mine by whatever the carrier owns)
> >
> > And it's getting harder and harder to find something with a clear floor
> that lets you stab at the pedals from the right seat. Something, especially
> something hybrid or long range EV, that lets you switch sides with the
> steering wheel would be perfect for rural carriers, if the pedals are
> likewise usable.
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Re: [MBZ] post office higher-ups are removing the German automaker's iconic three-point star emblem from the front of the vehicles

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We had a contract carrier a few years ago that had a basic Chevy, like a 
Cavalier or Impala, that had rigged a steering wheel on the right side of the 
cabin with a spare steering column and a couple of bicycle sprockets and chain. 
It looked real Rube Goldberg but it was actually pretty cool. Of course the car 
was a beater, but it did the job.

-D

> On Oct 12, 2020, at 11:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> All of the carriers from Olivet and some of them  from Charlotte are still 
> delivering in private vehicles. (my mom's Charlotte route is served with a 
> USPS van, mine by whatever the carrier owns)
> 
> And it's getting harder and harder to find something with a clear floor that 
> lets you stab at the pedals from the right seat. Something, especially 
> something hybrid or long range EV, that lets you switch sides with the 
> steering wheel would be perfect for rural carriers, if the pedals are 
> likewise usable.
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Re: [MBZ] post office higher-ups are removing the German automaker's iconic three-point star emblem from the front of the vehicles

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

All of the carriers from Olivet and some of them  from Charlotte are 
still delivering in private vehicles. (my mom's Charlotte route is 
served with a USPS van, mine by whatever the carrier owns)


And it's getting harder and harder to find something with a clear floor 
that lets you stab at the pedals from the right seat. Something, 
especially something hybrid or long range EV, that lets you switch sides 
with the steering wheel would be perfect for rural carriers, if the 
pedals are likewise usable.


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Re: [MBZ] post office higher-ups are removing the German automaker's iconic three-point star emblem from the front of the vehicles

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Very cool.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 10:10 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> And something from the Chinese, er, Volvo
>
> Volvo's latest steering system panders to the left and right
>
> https://www.postandcourier.com/business/volvos-latest-steering-system-panders-to-the-left-and-right/article_72476daa-0749-11eb-a444-17f855bc9289.html
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Re: [MBZ] 06 E350AWD Not Upshifting

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Thanks!

On 10/10/2020 3:10 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

You would have to pull the codes with DAS to know what the issue is and to 
reset the trans computer. Could very well be the conductor plate.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 10, 2020, at 1:04 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
wrote:

Hello again all!
 1st, I hope everyone is well?  Hopefully we haven't been hit hard by the Covid 
(Whuhan) Virus?  I suspect the membership of this forum is on the older side, like 
me, and I pray everyone either doesn't get it or recovers quickly & completely.
 I thought I asked this question before but I searched and did not find it.  Anyway, 
re: the 06 E350AWD (AKA, The Paperweight) - I solved one transmission problem by fitting 
a correct battery in it.  Took it for a test drive and find it does not upshift from the 
starting gear.  I am wondering if a Fluid and filter would make any difference.  I am 
wondering if the Conductor plate could be at fault.  Maybe I should change it "while 
I'm in there" (a catch-22 that I dislike)?  There are trans fluid /Filter/Conductor 
plate its for less than $100 on the internet so I am thinking it's a good idea.  What's 
the consensus of those who know much more about auto trans than I do?

Thanks,
Larry
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[MBZ] post office higher-ups are removing the German automaker's iconic three-point star emblem from the front of the vehicles

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

And something from the Chinese, er, Volvo

Volvo's latest steering system panders to the left and right
https://www.postandcourier.com/business/volvos-latest-steering-system-panders-to-the-left-and-right/article_72476daa-0749-11eb-a444-17f855bc9289.html

--FT
Sent from iPhone
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