Re: [MBZ] No more hood star

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

IIRC the C126 and C140 had no hood stars either.


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Re: [MBZ] It’s about time we get these in diesel

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Craig ponders:

>Indeed. I wonder what the MSRP is ...


If you have to ask


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Re: [MBZ] OT Honda CVCC

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A first gen Hatch. I didn't realize they still made those in 1980.
I'm pretty sure 1980 is the square body.
Looks like my 1975, minus the brown paint and roof rack.
I kinda regret scrapping that, especially since the roof rack seems to 
be quite rare.


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Re: [MBZ] No more hood star

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On 2020-12-15 21:44, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
I won't  drive a MB  without a hood star. Couple years ago was @ 
Stealer

for w211 service. I asked about no  star new models. Salesman said they
could add star except for ML"s.


20 years ago, I was a little put off that MLs and SLKs had big grille 
stars instead of hood stars. Is there a W163 star that replaces the hood 
medallion?


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Re: [MBZ] No more hood star

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Only SLs should be without a hood star!

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> Heresy
>
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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I was threatened with BP meds 15 years ago - did some research and used
this instead:
https://www.sfherb.com/Hibiscus-Flowers-Cut--1-Lb_p_13.html
I drank 4-5 cups a day for a year, and never heard another mention of meds.
I'm down to two cups a day now and doing fine - pass my flight physical
without issues.
My wife likes it, I tolerate it.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:40 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
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> I'm with you on the BP meds Curt.  I was on a big dose of carvedilol after
> my heart failure, and it nearly cost me my job.  About all I could do was
> wander in to work and stagger through the day, sort of like having an
> anchor in each shoe.  Same thing my Dad felt when he had heart trouble in
> the 70's.
>
> Got that backed off and I have much more energy, but I don't feel normal
> unless I skip the meds a couple days in a row.  Funny thing is that the
> heart failure was viral and temporary.  My BP has always been in the
> 140-150 over 90 range, and I have zero effects from it other than a
> slightly thickened left ventricle wall, and that was normal while I had the
> heart failure.
>
> I need to get more excercise and get some weight off anyway, maybe I can
> ditch the carvedilol.  Only still on it because my cardiologist said he'd
> seen some cases where discontinuing it caused the ventricular failure to
> re-appear, otherwise I'd have quit it then.
>
> Ain't life grand?
>
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Re: [MBZ] 300CE project $1,500

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No bartering 

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> On Dec 15, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> For the record I about a 91 in much better shape a while back for $500 that 
> has a set of CLK wheels on it that are worth $600 or so. In other words when 
> I pull them off and sell them and put the factory wheels back on the car will 
> be free. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Half way decent?

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That’s not a bad deal. Those are starting to go for stupid money

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> 1990 Mercedes 560- SEC
> 
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Re: [MBZ] No more hood star

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Heresy

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> On Dec 15, 2020, at 10:45 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 

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Re: [MBZ] No more hood star

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I won't  drive a MB  without a hood star. Couple years ago was @ Stealer
for w211 service. I asked about no  star new models. Salesman said they
could add star except for ML"s.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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>
> https://www.motortrend.com/news/2021-mercedes-e-class-latest-benz/?fbclid=IwAR0GbgBHibsagCogso8RfDDEyA62QLtk8DGX6Uicrra13rMWi0lQBd9bS_4
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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

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I'm with you on the BP meds Curt.  I was on a big dose of carvedilol after my 
heart failure, and it nearly cost me my job.  About all I could do was wander 
in to work and stagger through the day, sort of like having an anchor in each 
shoe.  Same thing my Dad felt when he had heart trouble in the 70's.

Got that backed off and I have much more energy, but I don't feel normal unless 
I skip the meds a couple days in a row.  Funny thing is that the heart failure 
was viral and temporary.  My BP has always been in the 140-150 over 90 range, 
and I have zero effects from it other than a slightly thickened left ventricle 
wall, and that was normal while I had the heart failure.

I need to get more excercise and get some weight off anyway, maybe I can ditch 
the carvedilol.  Only still on it because my cardiologist said he'd seen some 
cases where discontinuing it caused the ventricular failure to re-appear, 
otherwise I'd have quit it then.

Ain't life grand?

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[MBZ] Half way decent?

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1990 Mercedes 560- SEC

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Re: [MBZ] Rare 3.0 v8

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Huh- really? Not a400 E?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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> 1990 Mercedes 4 Door Sedan 300E 130,900 miles
>
>
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[MBZ] Rare 3.0 v8

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1990 Mercedes 4 Door Sedan 300E 130,900 miles

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Re: [MBZ] 300CE project $1,500

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One of the least stylish models ever made.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:29 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> For the record I about a 91 in much better shape a while back for $500
> that has a set of CLK wheels on it that are worth $600 or so. In other
> words when I pull them off and sell them and put the factory wheels back on
> the car will be free.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 15, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Honda CVCC

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Beat the price down to $3500, do a little tidying and then BAT flip for
double the price.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:16 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> Remember these?
>
> Guy I knew used to deliver pizza in one of these. Blew up the motor one
> night and just abandonded it at an apartment complex. Sat there for a
> couple of years then finally disappeared.
>
>
> https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/paoli-1979-honda-cvcc-civic-speed/7247756321.html
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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

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I think it depends on which news source you go by. 

When I was out of town last week I hit the treadmill every night at the hotel. 
I did a mile jog each night trying to work up to 2 miles etc. we have a really 
nice treadmill at the house but I can’t seem to get the wife to move all the 
cloths she has piled up on it and she tells me not to touch it. We also have a 
gym membership we have been paying for because last year she decided she wanted 
to start working out. I don’t think she has been to the gym in a year and keeps 
insisting next week she will go. In the mean time we still get dinged every 
month. She says I can go over there rather than using our treadmill at home. I 
don’t want to spend 30 minutes driving there and 30 minutes back to do a 15-20 
workout on the treadmill. 

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> On Dec 15, 2020, at 8:06 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> 
> Its more like a 96% recovery rate overall, much worse if you're older or have 
> underlying conditions.
> 
> Speaking of which, I'd like to take a moment for a brag here. I've been 
> hitting the gym 3 days a week since it reopened in July and my blood pressure 
> is so normal I'm only taking medication 4 days a week and in about 6 months I 
> expect to drop it entirely. This is great news because any blood pressure 
> medication I've ever taken that actually worked also affected my energy 
> levels. The stuff I'm on now is the best of the bunch but boy I've got a lot 
> more get up and go even just not taking it every day...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Tuesday, December 15, 2020, 6:06:33 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yea, well I’m watching the local news about how they starting giving out the 
> vaccine today in Tulsa. I just don’t get the risk of rushing to try something 
> that is basically untested for a virus that has a 99.x recovery rate. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > It also spreads the covids after bouncing the signals off chemtrails
> > 
> > --FT
> > 
> >> On 12/15/20 5:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >> 5G is very limited and practically line of sight, so if you’re not right 
> >> next to a 5G node in a major city, you’re not going to see it.
> >> 
> >> The hype about 5G is just that. It will be years before we see the 
> >> benefits across the board.
> >> 
> >> -D
> >> 
>  On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>   wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> What are 5g speeds supposed to be? On my iPhone 11 with t mobile I just 
> >>> tested my speed at 135mbps. This is about as high as I have seen. This is 
> >>> in the middle of Tulsa. Most of the time I see maybe 30-40mbps, even in 
> >>> rural areas where there is in good signal. If that is still LTE speeds 
> >>> what are 5g speeds supposed to be?
> >>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 300CE project $1,500

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

For the record I about a 91 in much better shape a while back for $500 that has 
a set of CLK wheels on it that are worth $600 or so. In other words when I pull 
them off and sell them and put the factory wheels back on the car will be free. 

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> 
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[MBZ] 300CE project $1,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

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[MBZ] OT Honda CVCC

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Remember these?

Guy I knew used to deliver pizza in one of these. Blew up the motor one
night and just abandonded it at an apartment complex. Sat there for a
couple of years then finally disappeared.

https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/paoli-1979-honda-cvcc-civic-speed/7247756321.html

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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

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 Its more like a 96% recovery rate overall, much worse if you're older or have 
underlying conditions.
Speaking of which, I'd like to take a moment for a brag here. I've been hitting 
the gym 3 days a week since it reopened in July and my blood pressure is so 
normal I'm only taking medication 4 days a week and in about 6 months I expect 
to drop it entirely. This is great news because any blood pressure medication 
I've ever taken that actually worked also affected my energy levels. The stuff 
I'm on now is the best of the bunch but boy I've got a lot more get up and go 
even just not taking it every day...
-Curt

On Tuesday, December 15, 2020, 6:06:33 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Yea, well I’m watching the local news about how they starting giving out the 
vaccine today in Tulsa. I just don’t get the risk of rushing to try something 
that is basically untested for a virus that has a 99.x recovery rate. 

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> On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It also spreads the covids after bouncing the signals off chemtrails
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 12/15/20 5:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> 5G is very limited and practically line of sight, so if you’re not right 
>> next to a 5G node in a major city, you’re not going to see it.
>> 
>> The hype about 5G is just that. It will be years before we see the benefits 
>> across the board.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What are 5g speeds supposed to be? On my iPhone 11 with t mobile I just 
>>> tested my speed at 135mbps. This is about as high as I have seen. This is 
>>> in the middle of Tulsa. Most of the time I see maybe 30-40mbps, even in 
>>> rural areas where there is in good signal. If that is still LTE speeds what 
>>> are 5g speeds supposed to be?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Diagnosis: Its a dirty old Dodge

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I need it to work to pass state mandated inspection, I've just never paid 
attention to how much it has to work. I think its just enough to flex the 
suspension some...
-Curt

On Tuesday, December 15, 2020, 7:55:23 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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 Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:

> The truck can still drive ahead pretty well with the brake on but I
> think that's probably a function of gearing and a 390HP engine...

Engine is always stronger than the parking brake in all the cars I've
owned. I've caught myself driving several blocks from the house with the
parking brake still on. It's less noticable than you might think.

Parking brake is just to keep the car from rolling by gravity.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Read the book as well.

Same sort of short sighted hysteria that drives purchasing “health” foods and 
trend of the month eating fad.  The marketing solution in search of a problem 
with gluten, keto, vegan, organic, fair trade, green and clean energy.  Causes 
more problems and makes people ill.

Clay


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> On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:50 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Have you ever seen the movie I am Legend?  The vaccine was the cause of the 
> zombie apocalypse.


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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Have you ever seen the movie I am Legend?  The vaccine was the cause of 
the zombie apocalypse.


On 12/15/2020 7:46 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote:

Just wait until spring when there are three or four to chose from.  That way 
you will know which pokes are full of “features”.   Try a cocktail of them all, 
just to be on the safe side.  Want to make sure you get all the CCP goodness 
with the Heweee 5G routers, chemtrails, and Fang Bang side impacts

Clay


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 wrote:

Yea, well I’m watching the local news about how they starting giving out the 
vaccine today in Tulsa. I just don’t get the risk of rushing to try something 
that is basically untested for a virus that has a 99.x recovery rate.


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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Wholeheartedly agree with that judgement.

Clay


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> On Dec 15, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is no reason to buy a modern car either.

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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

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Just wait until spring when there are three or four to chose from.  That way 
you will know which pokes are full of “features”.   Try a cocktail of them all, 
just to be on the safe side.  Want to make sure you get all the CCP goodness 
with the Heweee 5G routers, chemtrails, and Fang Bang side impacts

Clay


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> On Dec 15, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yea, well I’m watching the local news about how they starting giving out the 
> vaccine today in Tulsa. I just don’t get the risk of rushing to try something 
> that is basically untested for a virus that has a 99.x recovery rate. 


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[MBZ] rare to see a 240D with actual leather seats

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Bad shape though

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1977-Mercedes-Benz-200-Series/313343408035?hash=item48f4b8f7a3:g:NEkAAOSwHbpf1870


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Diagnosis: Its a dirty old Dodge

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On 2020-12-15 19:54, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:


Engine is always stronger than the parking brake in all the cars I've
owned. I've caught myself driving several blocks from the house with 
the

parking brake still on. It's less noticable than you might think.


Parking/emergency brakes should be able to skid the wheels.
The handbrake on my Saab 99 could, and it worked the front wheels. 
Probably less than 60 yards for 60-0 on handbrake. Girling front brakes, 
parking brake used the same pads as service brakes.
My Saturn Ion has rear drum service brakes, so the parking brake is just 
mechanical application of the service brakes. If you try to drive with 
the brake on, you feel the back end drop (first gear) or rise (reverse) 
when you start to let the clutch out.


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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-12-15 18:31, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:


The mm wave will support some serious speeds, but it has very limited
range. This is what they deploy in metropolitan areas. The lower
frequency (600 MHz?) stuff will go into outlying areas where line of
sight and latency is expected.


T-Mo uses the 700MHz band for some of its "4G" antennae, in order to 
push the signal some distance. I'm 5 miles due south of my T-Mo tower, 
and my cell stretches to the lake nearly five miles south of me. I'm 
pretty sure that cell runs around 700MHz and does not have fantastic 
speeds. I wonder if I can get RF information (frequency, signal 
strength) from the modem they sent me. Cute little thing, slightly 
smaller than my old Cradlepoint pocket router, about the size of a pack 
of cigarettes but half as thick. If the sample device doesn't do the 
lower frequencies I suspect it won't work any better than my phone here.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Diagnosis: Its a dirty old Dodge

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:

> The truck can still drive ahead pretty well with the brake on but I
> think that's probably a function of gearing and a 390HP engine...

Engine is always stronger than the parking brake in all the cars I've
owned. I've caught myself driving several blocks from the house with the
parking brake still on. It's less noticable than you might think.

Parking brake is just to keep the car from rolling by gravity.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> I guess it is just a marketing ploy, but the spouse has a phone that is 
> 5g capable and it almost always says it is connected to 5g at the top.  
> Even at the house which is way out in the country. No way there is 
> actually 5g here.

You'd be right. Carriers are using "5G" in their brand names for their
service, even though it's technically 4G LTE.

https://www.howtogeek.com/399560/5g-e-isnt-real-5g.-heres-what-you-need-to-know/

Allan

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[MBZ] No more hood star

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Re: [MBZ] It's about time we get these in diesel

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Closest to me is the NY state line, almost 2 hours southwest...
Curt

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  On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 5:46 PM, Mitch Haley via 
Mercedes wrote:   On 2020-12-15 17:24, Curt Raymond via 
Mercedes wrote:
> VW stuff is something like $9/l. The Autozone stuff is something like
> $20 for 2.5 gallons. It all meets the same spec so I use the Autozone
> stuff. $20 every 10,000 miles is no big whoop.

$2.98/gallon.
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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I guess it is just a marketing ploy, but the spouse has a phone that is 
5g capable and it almost always says it is connected to 5g at the top.  
Even at the house which is way out in the country. No way there is 
actually 5g here.


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5G phone service is like flying cars -- theoretically possible, but in practice 
is never going to happen.  Don't worry about getting a 5G capable phone any 
time soon, it will be dead of old age before you get any 5G service.
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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

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5G phone service is like flying cars -- theoretically possible, but in practice 
is never going to happen.  Don't worry about getting a 5G capable phone any 
time soon, it will be dead of old age before you get any 5G service.
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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

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Or maybe hysterical plates?

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 3:31 PM Karl Wittnebel 
wrote:

> Historical plates
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 3:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> That is true.  However one way or another I just get the feeling they
>> are going to try to make it impossible to drive older vehicles at some
>> point.
>>
>> On 12/15/2020 5:27 PM, Karl Wittnebel wrote:
>> > There is no reason to buy a modern car either.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 3:25 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I seem to recall something about installing 5 g radios or whatever
>> > you
>> > call them inside certain buildings, which woudl be the only way to
>> > get
>> > it inside.  Is there really a need to have more than 10-20mbps on
>> > a cell
>> > phone anyway?  I mean in the middle of most cities I get 30-60 and
>> > hit
>> > 133 today in Tulsa.  In other words, is there a reason I need to
>> rush
>> > out to get the new iphone that is 5g capable?  I don't think so.
>> >
>> > On 12/15/2020 5:18 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
>> > > This is the great joke of 5G -- the only way to get the higher
>> > "5G" speed is to use the millimeter wavelength signal carrier
>> > (higher frequency, more data per second) that does not penetrate
>> > glass, wood, steel, or masonry.  Basically outside only, and no
>> > more than 500 ft from the antenna, as the signal degrades in the
>> > presence of water vapor too.
>> > >
>> > > You will only see 5G speeds when you are within 500 ft of a
>> > repeater, outside, and there isn't significant interference from
>> > another repeater.
>> > >
>> > > So in other words, 4LTE is what you will have forever in you
>> > car, inside any structure, or more than 500 ft from a millimeter
>> > wavelength repeater.
>> > >
>> > > Not going to happen, 5G is a classic case of 1) a solution is
>> > search of a problem and 2) vapor-ware that will never actually
>> > exist in usable form.
>> > >
>> > > Biggest issue with 5G is that everyone is dropping 1x coverage,
>> > which is gonna isolate people more than a mile or two from an
>> > antenna (read 90% of rural america).  Had to change phones last
>> > year because Verizon was dropping support from my Samsung Alias II
>> > I've had for eons.
>> > >
>> > >
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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Historical plates

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 3:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That is true.  However one way or another I just get the feeling they
> are going to try to make it impossible to drive older vehicles at some
> point.
>
> On 12/15/2020 5:27 PM, Karl Wittnebel wrote:
> > There is no reason to buy a modern car either.
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 3:25 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I seem to recall something about installing 5 g radios or whatever
> > you
> > call them inside certain buildings, which woudl be the only way to
> > get
> > it inside.  Is there really a need to have more than 10-20mbps on
> > a cell
> > phone anyway?  I mean in the middle of most cities I get 30-60 and
> > hit
> > 133 today in Tulsa.  In other words, is there a reason I need to rush
> > out to get the new iphone that is 5g capable?  I don't think so.
> >
> > On 12/15/2020 5:18 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
> > > This is the great joke of 5G -- the only way to get the higher
> > "5G" speed is to use the millimeter wavelength signal carrier
> > (higher frequency, more data per second) that does not penetrate
> > glass, wood, steel, or masonry.  Basically outside only, and no
> > more than 500 ft from the antenna, as the signal degrades in the
> > presence of water vapor too.
> > >
> > > You will only see 5G speeds when you are within 500 ft of a
> > repeater, outside, and there isn't significant interference from
> > another repeater.
> > >
> > > So in other words, 4LTE is what you will have forever in you
> > car, inside any structure, or more than 500 ft from a millimeter
> > wavelength repeater.
> > >
> > > Not going to happen, 5G is a classic case of 1) a solution is
> > search of a problem and 2) vapor-ware that will never actually
> > exist in usable form.
> > >
> > > Biggest issue with 5G is that everyone is dropping 1x coverage,
> > which is gonna isolate people more than a mile or two from an
> > antenna (read 90% of rural america).  Had to change phones last
> > year because Verizon was dropping support from my Samsung Alias II
> > I've had for eons.
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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nope. The cellular guys were already talking about this when I was getting out 
of the generator business, and they thought it was all a lot of pixie dust.

The mm wave will support some serious speeds, but it has very limited range. 
This is what they deploy in metropolitan areas. The lower frequency (600 MHz?) 
stuff will go into outlying areas where line of sight and latency is expected.

It matters not to me, as there’s nothing I do with a phone that would ever 
require those kinds of speeds that I could imagine.

-D

> On Dec 15, 2020, at 5:41 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here you go:
> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/20/12/14/2124229/heres-the-5g-glossary-every-american-is-apparently-going-to-need
> 
> Confused yet?
> 
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 5:08 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 5G is very limited and practically line of sight, so if you’re not right
>> next to a 5G node in a major city, you’re not going to see it.
>> 
>> The hype about 5G is just that. It will be years before we see the
>> benefits across the board.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What are 5g speeds supposed to be? On my iPhone 11 with t mobile I just
>> tested my speed at 135mbps. This is about as high as I have seen. This is
>> in the middle of Tulsa. Most of the time I see maybe 30-40mbps, even in
>> rural areas where there is in good signal. If that is still LTE speeds what
>> are 5g speeds supposed to be?
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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

That is true.  However one way or another I just get the feeling they 
are going to try to make it impossible to drive older vehicles at some 
point.


On 12/15/2020 5:27 PM, Karl Wittnebel wrote:

There is no reason to buy a modern car either.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 3:25 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


I seem to recall something about installing 5 g radios or whatever
you
call them inside certain buildings, which woudl be the only way to
get
it inside.  Is there really a need to have more than 10-20mbps on
a cell
phone anyway?  I mean in the middle of most cities I get 30-60 and
hit
133 today in Tulsa.  In other words, is there a reason I need to rush
out to get the new iphone that is 5g capable?  I don't think so.

On 12/15/2020 5:18 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
> This is the great joke of 5G -- the only way to get the higher
"5G" speed is to use the millimeter wavelength signal carrier
(higher frequency, more data per second) that does not penetrate
glass, wood, steel, or masonry.  Basically outside only, and no
more than 500 ft from the antenna, as the signal degrades in the
presence of water vapor too.
>
> You will only see 5G speeds when you are within 500 ft of a
repeater, outside, and there isn't significant interference from
another repeater.
>
> So in other words, 4LTE is what you will have forever in you
car, inside any structure, or more than 500 ft from a millimeter
wavelength repeater.
>
> Not going to happen, 5G is a classic case of 1) a solution is
search of a problem and 2) vapor-ware that will never actually
exist in usable form.
>
> Biggest issue with 5G is that everyone is dropping 1x coverage,
which is gonna isolate people more than a mile or two from an
antenna (read 90% of rural america).  Had to change phones last
year because Verizon was dropping support from my Samsung Alias II
I've had for eons.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

There is no reason to buy a modern car either.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 3:25 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I seem to recall something about installing 5 g radios or whatever you
> call them inside certain buildings, which woudl be the only way to get
> it inside.  Is there really a need to have more than 10-20mbps on a cell
> phone anyway?  I mean in the middle of most cities I get 30-60 and hit
> 133 today in Tulsa.  In other words, is there a reason I need to rush
> out to get the new iphone that is 5g capable?  I don't think so.
>
> On 12/15/2020 5:18 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
> > This is the great joke of 5G -- the only way to get the higher "5G"
> speed is to use the millimeter wavelength signal carrier (higher frequency,
> more data per second) that does not penetrate glass, wood, steel, or
> masonry.  Basically outside only, and no more than 500 ft from the antenna,
> as the signal degrades in the presence of water vapor too.
> >
> > You will only see 5G speeds when you are within 500 ft of a repeater,
> outside, and there isn't significant interference from another repeater.
> >
> > So in other words, 4LTE is what you will have forever in you car, inside
> any structure, or more than 500 ft from a millimeter wavelength repeater.
> >
> > Not going to happen, 5G is a classic case of 1) a solution is search of
> a problem and 2) vapor-ware that will never actually exist in usable form.
> >
> > Biggest issue with 5G is that everyone is dropping 1x coverage, which is
> gonna isolate people more than a mile or two from an antenna (read 90% of
> rural america).  Had to change phones last year because Verizon was
> dropping support from my Samsung Alias II I've had for eons.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I seem to recall something about installing 5 g radios or whatever you 
call them inside certain buildings, which woudl be the only way to get 
it inside.  Is there really a need to have more than 10-20mbps on a cell 
phone anyway?  I mean in the middle of most cities I get 30-60 and hit 
133 today in Tulsa.  In other words, is there a reason I need to rush 
out to get the new iphone that is 5g capable?  I don't think so.


On 12/15/2020 5:18 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

This is the great joke of 5G -- the only way to get the higher "5G" speed is to 
use the millimeter wavelength signal carrier (higher frequency, more data per second) 
that does not penetrate glass, wood, steel, or masonry.  Basically outside only, and no 
more than 500 ft from the antenna, as the signal degrades in the presence of water vapor 
too.

You will only see 5G speeds when you are within 500 ft of a repeater, outside, 
and there isn't significant interference from another repeater.

So in other words, 4LTE is what you will have forever in you car, inside any 
structure, or more than 500 ft from a millimeter wavelength repeater.

Not going to happen, 5G is a classic case of 1) a solution is search of a 
problem and 2) vapor-ware that will never actually exist in usable form.

Biggest issue with 5G is that everyone is dropping 1x coverage, which is gonna 
isolate people more than a mile or two from an antenna (read 90% of rural 
america).  Had to change phones last year because Verizon was dropping support 
from my Samsung Alias II I've had for eons.




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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

This is the great joke of 5G -- the only way to get the higher "5G" speed is to 
use the millimeter wavelength signal carrier (higher frequency, more data per 
second) that does not penetrate glass, wood, steel, or masonry.  Basically 
outside only, and no more than 500 ft from the antenna, as the signal degrades 
in the presence of water vapor too.

You will only see 5G speeds when you are within 500 ft of a repeater, outside, 
and there isn't significant interference from another repeater.

So in other words, 4LTE is what you will have forever in you car, inside any 
structure, or more than 500 ft from a millimeter wavelength repeater.

Not going to happen, 5G is a classic case of 1) a solution is search of a 
problem and 2) vapor-ware that will never actually exist in usable form.

Biggest issue with 5G is that everyone is dropping 1x coverage, which is gonna 
isolate people more than a mile or two from an antenna (read 90% of rural 
america).  Had to change phones last year because Verizon was dropping support 
from my Samsung Alias II I've had for eons.  




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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea, well I’m watching the local news about how they starting giving out the 
vaccine today in Tulsa. I just don’t get the risk of rushing to try something 
that is basically untested for a virus that has a 99.x recovery rate. 

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> On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It also spreads the covids after bouncing the signals off chemtrails
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 12/15/20 5:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> 5G is very limited and practically line of sight, so if you’re not right 
>> next to a 5G node in a major city, you’re not going to see it.
>> 
>> The hype about 5G is just that. It will be years before we see the benefits 
>> across the board.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What are 5g speeds supposed to be? On my iPhone 11 with t mobile I just 
>>> tested my speed at 135mbps. This is about as high as I have seen. This is 
>>> in the middle of Tulsa. Most of the time I see maybe 30-40mbps, even in 
>>> rural areas where there is in good signal. If that is still LTE speeds what 
>>> are 5g speeds supposed to be?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] It's about time we get these in diesel

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On 2020-12-15 17:24, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

VW stuff is something like $9/l. The Autozone stuff is something like
$20 for 2.5 gallons. It all meets the same spec so I use the Autozone
stuff. $20 every 10,000 miles is no big whoop.


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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Here you go:
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/20/12/14/2124229/heres-the-5g-glossary-every-american-is-apparently-going-to-need

Confused yet?

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 5:08 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 5G is very limited and practically line of sight, so if you’re not right
> next to a 5G node in a major city, you’re not going to see it.
>
> The hype about 5G is just that. It will be years before we see the
> benefits across the board.
>
> -D
>
> > On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > What are 5g speeds supposed to be? On my iPhone 11 with t mobile I just
> tested my speed at 135mbps. This is about as high as I have seen. This is
> in the middle of Tulsa. Most of the time I see maybe 30-40mbps, even in
> rural areas where there is in good signal. If that is still LTE speeds what
> are 5g speeds supposed to be?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] It’s about time we get these in diesel

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

"The driver-selectable stop/start technology optimizes fuel economy by 
shutting off the engine at stoplights and certain other stop-and-go 
situations, helping to save fuel."


Looks like you can shut it off if you don't like it (which everyone will do)

--FT


On 12/15/20 2:56 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
Why would stop start function save fuel on a diesel? My understanding 
is that a diesel uses almost no fuel at idle.

Does not sound like a good idea for diesel.

RB

On 15/12/2020 1:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2020/dec/1203-duramax.html?fbclid=IwAR2nW-zi_-hwulxnkcdVWErvC8Bt9wp1ttmWdqQT2_iiYEUHrAMfTrgHB-c 








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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

It also spreads the covids after bouncing the signals off chemtrails

--FT

On 12/15/20 5:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

5G is very limited and practically line of sight, so if you’re not right next 
to a 5G node in a major city, you’re not going to see it.

The hype about 5G is just that. It will be years before we see the benefits 
across the board.

-D


On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

What are 5g speeds supposed to be? On my iPhone 11 with t mobile I just tested 
my speed at 135mbps. This is about as high as I have seen. This is in the 
middle of Tulsa. Most of the time I see maybe 30-40mbps, even in rural areas 
where there is in good signal. If that is still LTE speeds what are 5g speeds 
supposed to be?

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Re: [MBZ] It’s about time we get these in diesel

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Oh yea I do seem to recall that now when they first came out with that engine. 

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> On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:22 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yeahbut the Duramax 3.0 sucks for serviceability. IIRC the engine has to come 
> out every 150,000 miles or so to replace a belt on the backside. Stupid 
> design.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Tuesday, December 15, 2020, 2:50:01 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] It's about time we get these in diesel

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 VW stuff is something like $9/l. The Autozone stuff is something like $20 for 
2.5 gallons. It all meets the same spec so I use the Autozone stuff. $20 every 
10,000 miles is no big whoop.
-Curt

On Tuesday, December 15, 2020, 5:10:58 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I drove a rental Jeep somethingorother to the last ChowdahQ that did this. 
Drove me nuts. Kept thinking the engine was dying on me.

On a related note, I saw a big jug of cat pee for diesels at the dealer’s parts 
department yesterday. I can’t imagine what they charge for the stuff.

-D

> On Dec 15, 2020, at 3:41 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> You don't think that the MB engineers thought of that? Sure they did. It's
> either a beefier start that can handle the thousands more starts, or it's
> designed to just last through the warranty  period ...
> 
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:38 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> I test drove a 2014 E250 Bluetec sedan and it had the auto shutoff
>>> feature at idle.  Very strange sensation.  Brake on - shuts off.
>>> Brake off - engine restarts.
>> 
>> A few years later, you need a new starter.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] It’s about time we get these in diesel

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Yeahbut the Duramax 3.0 sucks for serviceability. IIRC the engine has to come 
out every 150,000 miles or so to replace a belt on the backside. Stupid design.
-Curt

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[MBZ] OT: Diagnosis: Its a dirty old Dodge

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

2010 Dodge 1500 needs rear brakes, I should have done them when I did the front 
last summer.I'd forgotten that American cars had drum parking brakes and of 
course when I took it apart (Sunday, again of course) the park brake shoes just 
fell to pieces. Ugh. Autozone claimed to have them in stock but when I got 
there the shoes weren't. I managed to get them yesterday and dug into it 
today.Overall its not a bad job but very different from a German car. I don't 
like how the caliper pins work and on the driver's side I had a heck of a time 
getting the caliper back in because the bellows were in the wrong place and 
stiff enough I didn't realize they could slide.
Now with it all assembled I'm in parking brake adjustment hell. I've never done 
it before and of course I've never really tested how well the thing holds 
before either. I definitely got the driver's side too stiff, I couldn't turn 
the wheel at all by hand, so I backed that off a little. The truck can still 
drive ahead pretty well with the brake on but I think that's probably a 
function of gearing and a 390HP engine...
I got too cold and stiff tonight, tomorrow I'll put it back on jackstands and 
try again.
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Re: [MBZ] It's about time we get these in diesel

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I drove a rental Jeep somethingorother to the last ChowdahQ that did this. 
Drove me nuts. Kept thinking the engine was dying on me.

On a related note, I saw a big jug of cat pee for diesels at the dealer’s parts 
department yesterday. I can’t imagine what they charge for the stuff.

-D

> On Dec 15, 2020, at 3:41 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> You don't think that the MB engineers thought of that? Sure they did. It's
> either a beefier start that can handle the thousands more starts, or it's
> designed to just last through the warranty  period ...
> 
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:38 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> I test drove a 2014 E250 Bluetec sedan and it had the auto shutoff
>>> feature at idle.  Very strange sensation.  Brake on - shuts off.
>>> Brake off - engine restarts.
>> 
>> A few years later, you need a new starter.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

5G is very limited and practically line of sight, so if you’re not right next 
to a 5G node in a major city, you’re not going to see it.

The hype about 5G is just that. It will be years before we see the benefits 
across the board.

-D

> On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What are 5g speeds supposed to be? On my iPhone 11 with t mobile I just 
> tested my speed at 135mbps. This is about as high as I have seen. This is in 
> the middle of Tulsa. Most of the time I see maybe 30-40mbps, even in rural 
> areas where there is in good signal. If that is still LTE speeds what are 5g 
> speeds supposed to be?
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[MBZ] 5g speeds

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

What are 5g speeds supposed to be? On my iPhone 11 with t mobile I just tested 
my speed at 135mbps. This is about as high as I have seen. This is in the 
middle of Tulsa. Most of the time I see maybe 30-40mbps, even in rural areas 
where there is in good signal. If that is still LTE speeds what are 5g speeds 
supposed to be?

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Re: [MBZ] It's about time we get these in diesel

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It’s the 2nd one. 

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> wrote:
> 
> You don't think that the MB engineers thought of that? Sure they did. It's
> either a beefier start that can handle the thousands more starts, or it's
> designed to just last through the warranty  period ...
> 
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:38 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> I test drove a 2014 E250 Bluetec sedan and it had the auto shutoff
>>> feature at idle.  Very strange sensation.  Brake on - shuts off.
>>> Brake off - engine restarts.
>> 
>> A few years later, you need a new starter.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] It's about time we get these in diesel

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So 2 newer vehicles I would be interested in. A e250 and one of these new 
diesel Suburbans. 

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> 
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> I test drove a 2014 E250 Bluetec sedan and it had the auto shutoff
>> feature at idle.  Very strange sensation.  Brake on - shuts off.
>> Brake off - engine restarts.
> 
> A few years later, you need a new starter.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: T-Mobile home wireless modem

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

 Varies but usually over 10 sometimes up to 35 or so. A lot of times I see mid 
20s. With the WISP I was paying double the t mobile price for 12 but I oh 
usually got 2-3.

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> On Dec 15, 2020, at 2:34 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> What kind of download speed are you guys getting with this service? They
> don't service my area yet, but might someday.
> 
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 11:58 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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>> 
>> Those who have this service:
>> 
>> What modem did they give you?
>> 
>> I have a Franklin T9 coming today for a free trial, but I assume the
>> actual one they give you when you buy the service is something
>> different.
>> 
>> T-Mo trial seems like a nice deal for anybody who wants 30 days / 30GB
>> of free internet service. They don't tell you until you order it that at
>> the end of the trial you're supposed to find a T-Mo store to return the
>> modem to. But that's no big deal where I live.
>> https://www.t-mobile.com/offers/free-trial
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Re: [MBZ] It’s about time we get these in diesel

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep, it sucks and I would think it would be hard on the starter,  battery, and 
engine. I guess if it gets the fuel economy up by half a gallon that is all 
that matters. 

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> On Dec 15, 2020, at 2:07 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wouldn't want it on any car. I've driven a few with stop/start and I
> always disable it.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Randy Bennell via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Why would stop start function save fuel on a diesel? My understanding is 
>> that a diesel uses almost no fuel at idle.
>> Does not sound like a good idea for diesel.
>> 
>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] It’s about time we get these in diesel

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I wondered that myself. 

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> On Dec 15, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 13:49:27 -0600 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2020/dec/1203-duramax.html?fbclid=IwAR2nW-zi_-hwulxnkcdVWErvC8Bt9wp1ttmWdqQT2_iiYEUHrAMfTrgHB-c
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> Indeed. I wonder what the MSRP is ...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] It's about time we get these in diesel

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-12-15 15:37, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:


I test drove a 2014 E250 Bluetec sedan and it had the auto shutoff
feature at idle.  Very strange sensation.  Brake on - shuts off.
Brake off - engine restarts.


A few years later, you need a new starter.


I was surprised, when shopping for an engine for my 2016-2019 Cruze, the 
nearest one I found had already had its starter pulled and sold. I was 
surprised anybody would want one already.

And yes, it's beefed up for start-stop.

The Cruze 1.4L burns about .28GPH at idle.
I seem to recall hearing that 1.6IDI VWs pulled about a pint an hour.
I have no idea what a modern CDI 3 liter consumes.

I suspect the main reason for putting start-stop in a diesel is to avoid 
idling, which isn't good for the emissions system.


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Re: [MBZ] It's about time we get these in diesel

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This car was WAY out of warranty.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 3:41 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> You don't think that the MB engineers thought of that? Sure they did. It's
> either a beefier start that can handle the thousands more starts, or it's
> designed to just last through the warranty  period ...
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:38 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
> >
> > > I test drove a 2014 E250 Bluetec sedan and it had the auto shutoff
> > > feature at idle.  Very strange sensation.  Brake on - shuts off.
> > > Brake off - engine restarts.
> >
> > A few years later, you need a new starter.
> >
> > Allan
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Re: [MBZ] It's about time we get these in diesel

[OK Don via Mercedes]

You don't think that the MB engineers thought of that? Sure they did. It's
either a beefier start that can handle the thousands more starts, or it's
designed to just last through the warranty  period ...

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:38 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > I test drove a 2014 E250 Bluetec sedan and it had the auto shutoff
> > feature at idle.  Very strange sensation.  Brake on - shuts off.
> > Brake off - engine restarts.
>
> A few years later, you need a new starter.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] It's about time we get these in diesel

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:

> I test drove a 2014 E250 Bluetec sedan and it had the auto shutoff
> feature at idle.  Very strange sensation.  Brake on - shuts off.
> Brake off - engine restarts.

A few years later, you need a new starter.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: T-Mobile home wireless modem

[OK Don via Mercedes]

What kind of download speed are you guys getting with this service? They
don't service my area yet, but might someday.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 11:58 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Those who have this service:
>
> What modem did they give you?
>
> I have a Franklin T9 coming today for a free trial, but I assume the
> actual one they give you when you buy the service is something
> different.
>
> T-Mo trial seems like a nice deal for anybody who wants 30 days / 30GB
> of free internet service. They don't tell you until you order it that at
> the end of the trial you're supposed to find a T-Mo store to return the
> modem to. But that's no big deal where I live.
> https://www.t-mobile.com/offers/free-trial
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Re: [MBZ] It's about time we get these in diesel

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I test drove a 2014 E250 Bluetec sedan and it had the auto shutoff feature
at idle.  Very strange sensation.  Brake on - shuts off.  Brake off -
engine restarts.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 3:23 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Exactly.  Most diesel idle fuel consumption is for accessories (AC,
> alternator, oil pump, etc.) which you probably still want at a long stop
> light or in stop and go gridlock.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Randy Bennell via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 2:56 PM
> To: Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> Cc: Randy Bennell 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] It's about time we get these in diesel
>
> Why would stop start function save fuel on a diesel? My understanding is
> that a diesel uses almost no fuel at idle.
> Does not sound like a good idea for diesel.
>
> RB
>
> On 15/12/2020 1:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/home.detail.html/con
> > tent/Pages/news/us/en/2020/dec/1203-duramax.html?fbclid=IwAR2nW-zi_-hw
> > ulxnkcdVWErvC8Bt9wp1ttmWdqQT2_iiYEUHrAMfTrgHB-c
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Re: [MBZ] It's about time we get these in diesel

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Exactly.  Most diesel idle fuel consumption is for accessories (AC,
alternator, oil pump, etc.) which you probably still want at a long stop
light or in stop and go gridlock.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 2:56 PM
To: Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
Cc: Randy Bennell 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] It's about time we get these in diesel

Why would stop start function save fuel on a diesel? My understanding is
that a diesel uses almost no fuel at idle.
Does not sound like a good idea for diesel.

RB

On 15/12/2020 1:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/home.detail.html/con
> tent/Pages/news/us/en/2020/dec/1203-duramax.html?fbclid=IwAR2nW-zi_-hw
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Re: [MBZ] It’s about time we get these in diesel

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I wouldn't want it on any car. I've driven a few with stop/start and I
always disable it.

Allan

Randy Bennell via Mercedes  writes:

> Why would stop start function save fuel on a diesel? My understanding is 
> that a diesel uses almost no fuel at idle.
> Does not sound like a good idea for diesel.
>
> RB

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Re: [MBZ] It’s about time we get these in diesel

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 13:49:27 -0600 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2020/dec/1203-duramax.html?fbclid=IwAR2nW-zi_-hwulxnkcdVWErvC8Bt9wp1ttmWdqQT2_iiYEUHrAMfTrgHB-c

Indeed. I wonder what the MSRP is ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] It’s about time we get these in diesel

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Why would stop start function save fuel on a diesel? My understanding is 
that a diesel uses almost no fuel at idle.

Does not sound like a good idea for diesel.

RB

On 15/12/2020 1:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

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[MBZ] It’s about time we get these in diesel

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Re: [MBZ] OT: T-Mobile home wireless modem

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep that’s it. I do not use the router portion of it. I have my 2 routers 
plugged into then everything else connects to the routers. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 15, 2020, at 1:21 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I see, it's just a white box, identified only by a T-Mo model number which 
> doesn't indicate who really made it.
> 
> https://www.t-mobile.com/isp/lte-wifi-gateway-digital-user-guide
> 
> https://www.tmonews.com/2019/03/t-mobile-home-internet-setup-router-photos/
> 
>> On 2020-12-15 13:17, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I did not do a free trial just signed up for it. It’s a white box that
>> is all I know. Been working great for the last 3 months or so.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: T-Mobile home wireless modem

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I see, it's just a white box, identified only by a T-Mo model number 
which doesn't indicate who really made it.


https://www.t-mobile.com/isp/lte-wifi-gateway-digital-user-guide

https://www.tmonews.com/2019/03/t-mobile-home-internet-setup-router-photos/

On 2020-12-15 13:17, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I did not do a free trial just signed up for it. It’s a white box that
is all I know. Been working great for the last 3 months or so.




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Re: [MBZ] OT: T-Mobile home wireless modem

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I did not do a free trial just signed up for it. It’s a white box that is all I 
know. Been working great for the last 3 months or so. 

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> On Dec 15, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Those who have this service:
> 
> What modem did they give you?
> 
> I have a Franklin T9 coming today for a free trial, but I assume the actual 
> one they give you when you buy the service is something different.
> 
> T-Mo trial seems like a nice deal for anybody who wants 30 days / 30GB of 
> free internet service. They don't tell you until you order it that at the end 
> of the trial you're supposed to find a T-Mo store to return the modem to. But 
> that's no big deal where I live.
> https://www.t-mobile.com/offers/free-trial
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[MBZ] OT: T-Mobile home wireless modem

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Those who have this service:

What modem did they give you?

I have a Franklin T9 coming today for a free trial, but I assume the 
actual one they give you when you buy the service is something 
different.


T-Mo trial seems like a nice deal for anybody who wants 30 days / 30GB 
of free internet service. They don't tell you until you order it that at 
the end of the trial you're supposed to find a T-Mo store to return the 
modem to. But that's no big deal where I live.

https://www.t-mobile.com/offers/free-trial

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Re: [MBZ] Wagon

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 That's "Patina" people pay extra for that.
Actually its kind of a nice car, reminds me a bit of my first MB except mine 
was an utter disaster...
-Curt

On Tuesday, December 15, 2020, 11:24:39 AM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Well, if you looked at the photos, you would easily see that the paint 
is bad and the interior is rough. At the moment, it is a beater at 
best,  assuming it runs OK.

RB

On 14/12/2020 7:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Wonder what makes it a "project".
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 5:20 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/403232907396079/
>>
>>


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Re: [MBZ] Wagon

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Well, if you looked at the photos, you would easily see that the paint 
is bad and the interior is rough. At the moment, it is a beater at 
best,  assuming it runs OK.


RB

On 14/12/2020 7:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Wonder what makes it a "project".

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 5:20 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/403232907396079/





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Re: [MBZ] BENZ STILL HAS PLENTY OF GIDDY UP

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Brand new paint job, needs A/C.
Interesting priorities there, for a Florida resident.
Or they spent their Covid Bucks on paint, and then the compressor went 
out.


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[MBZ] BENZ STILL HAS PLENTY OF GIDDY UP

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

For when your giddy up has done gone up and went

https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/d/jacksonville-1999-mercedes-benz-e320/7247451937.html


 1999 MERCEDES BENZ E320 - $1,000(JACKSONVILLE)

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