Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> Bodes poorly for values of used V8s and SUVs?

The increasing cost of food may bring the used car market to heel. That and the 
child tax credit that has been dispensed on a monthly basis, as opposed to 
getting a large tax return in March or April. One can hope. I'd like to pick up 
a Benz bargain or two from somewhere other than the rust belt.


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Re: [MBZ] My ML350 Bluetec Oil Cooler Seal Repair update

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Wow. Strong work and a good write up.


Rick

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Subject: [MBZ] My ML350 Bluetec Oil Cooler Seal Repair update

Yes I am still trying to finish the oil cooler seal replacement on my new to me 
2012 ML350 diesel. I have the turbo back in and have to finish up connecting 
the exhaust down pipe to the back of the turbo. I may have to take the car to 
the dealer or a European indy to compete the second step after torqueing the 
(3) screws to ( 20 NM). Step two is tightening the screws and additional ( 90 
degs ). These screws face the engine bulkhead and is under engine shielding. 
The top (2) are sort accessible but  third is on the bottom with very little 
access. Matter of fact I dropped the third screw and still need to find it. 
Below is the link to where been posting most of my photos of this project.

Things to Complete list
1) Install O2 probe at elbow of exhaust pipe
2) Install new CCV valve assembly
3) Install fuel rail to fuel rail connection line
4) Double check that all fuel injector supply nuts have been torqued
5) Install new fuel filter ( I will prefill filter with fuel )
6) Install charge air from turbo to front of engine and turbo intercooler
7) Reinstall injector return fuel line
8) Install air intake assembly that connects to the turbo. ( I purchased new 
seal for this joint )
9) Install all remaining electrical connectors
10) Install rear shield located behind turbo
11) Install new inlet air filters, left & right
12) Install the rest of the engine shielding
13) double check that all electrical and mechanical items
14) Install coolant that was drained from engine
15) test start engine ( May take several tries as fuel lines need to be 
recharged )


Link to Oil cooler seal replacement project: 
https://mbworld.org/forums/m-class-w166/834751-2012-ml350-blutec-oil-cooler-leak-repair.html

Bob Massmann
2012 ML350 Bluetec 87,000 miles
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Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Doubled in about 1.5yr. I can’t understand it. It’s perplexing. 

--FT
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> On Mar 4, 2022, at 11:09 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Four dollars a gallon here tonight for 87.
> 
> Just keeps going up. $0.30 in the past two days alone
> 
> Bodes poorly for values of used V8s and SUVs?
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Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Diesel is $4.59!

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022, at 11:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> Bodes well for us diesel lovers.
> 
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2022, 11:09 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> Four dollars a gallon here tonight for 87.
>> 
>> Just keeps going up. $0.30 in the past two days alone
>> 
>> Bodes poorly for values of used V8s and SUVs?
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Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Bodes well for us diesel lovers.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022, 11:09 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> Four dollars a gallon here tonight for 87.
>
> Just keeps going up. $0.30 in the past two days alone
>
> Bodes poorly for values of used V8s and SUVs?
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[MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Four dollars a gallon here tonight for 87.

Just keeps going up. $0.30 in the past two days alone

Bodes poorly for values of used V8s and SUVs?

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[MBZ] 1956 220S - $10,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Looks pretty rough, but probably not beyond restoring. Don't know if the price 
makes any sense.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/cto/d/fort-sheridan-1956-mercedes-220s/7453840556.html

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[MBZ] Valvoline Premium Blue 5w40

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Napa has this on monthly special last month for $21.99 a gallon. While in KC 
last week a store in town on my way home showed to have it available for pickup 
the next day and let me order 12. Days later order canceled. This month it’s on 
sale for $23.99. Ordered 6 for pickup in a town on the way to where I’m at now. 
Next day order cancelled. I checked this town for the last coupon of days and 
showed no stock. This afternoon I checked again and Napa here said it had it 
available for pickup in 30 minutes. Ordered 6. Figuring it would be canceled I 
be dammed if it didn’t say it was ready for pickup. Went by and got it. I then 
put in an order for 6 more which showed to be in stock in Tulsa on my way back 
home. They called said they had 3 and could not get more. So I have 3 more to 
pickup tomorrow. Was able to order 2 more from different store in Tulsa. So for 
the moment I have 3 jugs of Rotella, and will have 11 jugs of the valvoline 
after tomorrow. I guess I could be like those people buying up all the sh*t 
paper causing a shortage. In my case I really need it for my vehicles.

Point of this story is, if you are looking for any, it started randomly showing 
in stock at stores so order it quick for store pickup. I am probably going to 
try to snag some more. They also have Delvac 1 ESP 5w40 for $21.99 but the spec 
sheets make the valvoline look a lot better, at least on paper. 

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Re: [MBZ] W124 Coupe

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I second that. One of the reasons oldest boy is in a Ford Escape. I don’t have 
to maintain it, and it can be fixed by just about any shop.

Now if I could just get the youngest out of his W210 and into a Subaru or 
something appropriate for his climate/location.

-D

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> On Mar 4, 2022, at 1:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> This. You don't want to be his mechanic for the rest of your life...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Friday, March 4, 2022, 03:42:08 PM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> Since you are nearing retirement, and may not be around to do necessary 
> maintenance and repairs, I would stick to popular and easy to work on cars. 
> Chevy, Ford, Toyota, etc. While WE may view Mercedes Benz as a reliable and 
> easy to repair marque, most of the mechanics and shade tree mechanics are a 
> bit intimidated by them. The hood stack crowd and "will it run on vegetable 
> oil?" crowd attests to that.
> 
> Find him an old 2003-2011 Crown Vic or Mercury Marquis and call it good.
> 
> My two cents.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: March 4, 2022 11:07 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: azbob...@gmail.com
> Subject: [MBZ] W124 Coupe
> 
> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/scottsdale-1989-mercedes-coupe-for-sale/7452593304.html
> 
> Should I be running away from this? I see the headlight wipers are gone, but 
> would it be an option for breathalyzer boy? Are the windows the dealbreaker 
> on these?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] This seems like a good deal

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

If you were in a cult you could probably use all 3 and get the better deal

--FT

On 3/4/22 4:41 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/5300962689915015/


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Re: [MBZ] One For AZ Bob

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

He should find a cop car at auction.  There would be some irony in that.

--FT

On 3/4/22 4:22 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

I would be all over this one.
Just make sure the intake manifold has been upgraded. There was a TSB or recall 
for that.

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/scottsdale-2003-ford-crown-victoria-lx/7453268880.html


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[MBZ] This seems like a good deal

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/5300962689915015/


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Re: [MBZ] One For AZ Bob

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

That’s a nice one. 

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> On Mar 4, 2022, at 2:23 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I would be all over this one.
> Just make sure the intake manifold has been upgraded. There was a TSB or 
> recall for that.
> 
> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/scottsdale-2003-ford-crown-victoria-lx/7453268880.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Coupe

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> I thought there was an issue with coupes and the fit/sealing of the windows 
> over time and that was a deal breaker. 

On the 114/123 coupes I believe the between-side-glass seals were NLA.  Or 
perhaps just expen$ive.
(The [non-existent] B-piller seals, so to speak.)  I know naught of any other 
coupes.

-- JIm

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[MBZ] One For AZ Bob

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I would be all over this one.
Just make sure the intake manifold has been upgraded. There was a TSB or recall 
for that.

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/scottsdale-2003-ford-crown-victoria-lx/7453268880.html


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Re: [MBZ] W124 Coupe

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

This. You don't want to be his mechanic for the rest of your life...

-Curt

On Friday, March 4, 2022, 03:42:08 PM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote: 


Since you are nearing retirement, and may not be around to do necessary 
maintenance and repairs, I would stick to popular and easy to work on cars. 
Chevy, Ford, Toyota, etc. While WE may view Mercedes Benz as a reliable and 
easy to repair marque, most of the mechanics and shade tree mechanics are a bit 
intimidated by them. The hood stack crowd and "will it run on vegetable oil?" 
crowd attests to that.

Find him an old 2003-2011 Crown Vic or Mercury Marquis and call it good.

My two cents.


Rick

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Cc: azbob...@gmail.com
Subject: [MBZ] W124 Coupe

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/scottsdale-1989-mercedes-coupe-for-sale/7452593304.html

Should I be running away from this? I see the headlight wipers are gone, but 
would it be an option for breathalyzer boy? Are the windows the dealbreaker on 
these?

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] W124 Coupe

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Since you are nearing retirement, and may not be around to do necessary 
maintenance and repairs, I would stick to popular and easy to work on cars. 
Chevy, Ford, Toyota, etc. While WE may view Mercedes Benz as a reliable and 
easy to repair marque, most of the mechanics and shade tree mechanics are a bit 
intimidated by them. The hood stack crowd and "will it run on vegetable oil?" 
crowd attests to that.

Find him an old 2003-2011 Crown Vic or Mercury Marquis and call it good.

My two cents.


Rick

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Cc: azbob...@gmail.com
Subject: [MBZ] W124 Coupe

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/scottsdale-1989-mercedes-coupe-for-sale/7452593304.html

Should I be running away from this? I see the headlight wipers are gone, but 
would it be an option for breathalyzer boy? Are the windows the dealbreaker on 
these?

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] Bosch K-Jetronic – Part 1, The Basics

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

That explains that dark magic well.

AZBob

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> https://tasteslikepetrol.net/2020/02/bosch-k-jetronic-basics/
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Re: [MBZ] It’s 2008 all over again

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I didn't think to check, I was just amused to see it.

-Curt


On Friday, March 4, 2022, 02:01:05 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel 
 wrote: 

Selling price.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 1:47 PM Curt Raymond  wrote:
> SP?
> 
> 
>  On Friday, March 4, 2022, 12:48:53 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel 
>  wrote 
> 
> 
> 
> What was the SP of the whale oi?
> 
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 12:46 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> There was a time when people thought it was crazy to pull oil up out of the 
>> ground and try to refine it, after all you could get all the oil you might 
>> ever need by boiling it out of whales...
>> 
>> As an aside we went to a gun show last weekend and one of the vendors had 
>> small cans of whale oil. I didn't see how old they were but I'd guess 50-60 
>> years or more.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>>  On Friday, March 4, 2022, 11:36:03 AM EST, G Mann via Mercedes 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> In the middle ages, the holy grail of alchemists was developing the magic
>> formula to turn lead into gold. It never worked, but that did not keep rich
>> people from funding alchemists to keep trying.
>> "Making fuel" from something always involves vast expenditure of time and
>> energy which quickly equates to using more energy than you make.
>> I think it qualifies for a special Darwin Award for futile endeavors.
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 7:58 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree that crops as fuel doesn't make any sense but the future of
>>> ethanol/biodiesel is algae based. They grow the algae in tanks fed on the
>>> carbon dioxide output of power plants. Its a win-win, capture the carbon
>>> (and presumably excess heat) coming out of the power plants and create a
>>> usable fuel.
>>>
>>> -Curt
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 4, 2022, 09:03:12 AM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Let's hope not. It's silly and inefficient to use food crops as fuel. That
>>> applies to Ethanol as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, at 11:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> > Maybe biodiesel will return to the pumps.
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 11:37 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Yes, diesel pickups were and still are abused by using used veg oil.
>>> They
>>> >> are ruined for the same reasons.
>>> >> Used cooking oil is severely contaminated with water, acids, and food
>>> >> particles that do not flow throw injection pumps and injectors. Failure
>>> to
>>> >> remove those contaminants is common with the belief that you just pump
>>> the
>>> >> waste cooking oil into your diesel tank and drive away for free.
>>> >> That does not work.
>>> >> Add to those sins the viscosity of veg oil at room temperature [whatever
>>> >> ambient temp might be].
>>> >> IF you have clean veg oil, de watered, and acid neutral, it still must
>>> be
>>> >> pre-heated to between 160F/180F to achieve a flow rate that will support
>>> >> atomization at the injector nozzle. Below 160F the nozzles will dribble
>>> and
>>> >> spew instead of spray crisply.
>>> >> The lack of good spray pattern means you do not get good compression
>>> >> ignition, thus semi burned veg oil builds carbon globs that stick and
>>> stack
>>> >> in the combustion chambers, valves, and nozzles. Those chunks of semi
>>> >> burned carbon grind the rings and cylinder walls to death.
>>> >> Further, the cold veg oil overworks the injector pump, fails to
>>> lubricate
>>> >> the close tolerance moving parts, and galls them [ruins the IP so it can
>>> >> not be rebuilt].
>>> >> So, the answer to your question is Yes, diesel trucks are also
>>> >> destroyed.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:17 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > When oil was $10/bbl did they use it as salad dressing??
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 10:11 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>>> >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > I saw it with older VW diesels also, around here.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, at 9:59 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> >> > > > Good question. I have only really noticed it with MB diesels. For
>>> >> some
>>> >> > > > reason people think you can just run them with no maintenance and
>>> >> they
>>> >> > > > will last a million miles.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >> On Mar 3, 2022, at 8:57 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
>>> >> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >> I wonder if they (veg oil morons) destroy diesel pickups too?
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >> Rick
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> >> > > >> Sent: March 3, 2022 8:53 PM
>>> >> > > >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; davesl...@okiebenz.com
>>> >> > > >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> >> > > >> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
>>> >> > > >> Subject: [MBZ] It’s 2008 

Re: [MBZ] W124 Coupe

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

123 coupe rear window regulator keeps on popping off the connecting
linkage.  Must remove rear seats and side panel to address which is a total
PIA.  My indy threaded the shaft to secure the two moving parts with a lock
nut.  Issue solved forever.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 1:50 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Oh I don’t know. On 123 coupés the rear window regulators are apparently
> quite difficult to deal with but I don’t know about fitting. Could be I
> guess
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> > On Mar 4, 2022, at 1:10 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I thought there was an issue with coupes and the fit/sealing of the
> windows over time and that was a deal breaker.
> >
> > Sent from Mail for Windows
> >
> > From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:23 AM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: Floyd Thursby
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Coupe
> >
> > I love the coupés and that one (other than being white) looks really
> > nice other than no interior pics.  What is the window issue?
> >
> > I'm not sure I would turn a nice car like that over to the boy with his
> > history, but that would be your decision.  Find a beater 210 for such an
> > endeavor.
> >
> > --FT
> >
> > On 3/4/22 12:06 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> > >
> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/scottsdale-1989-mercedes-coupe-for-sale/7452593304.html
> > >
> > > Should I be running away from this? I see the headlight wipers are
> gone, but would it be an option for breathalyzer boy? Are the windows the
> dealbreaker on these?
> > >
> > > AZBob
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
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Re: [MBZ] It’s 2008 all over again

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Selling price.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 1:47 PM Curt Raymond  wrote:

> SP?
>
>
>  On Friday, March 4, 2022, 12:48:53 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>
>
> What was the SP of the whale oi?
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 12:46 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > There was a time when people thought it was crazy to pull oil up out of
> the ground and try to refine it, after all you could get all the oil you
> might ever need by boiling it out of whales...
> >
> > As an aside we went to a gun show last weekend and one of the vendors
> had small cans of whale oil. I didn't see how old they were but I'd guess
> 50-60 years or more.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >  On Friday, March 4, 2022, 11:36:03 AM EST, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > In the middle ages, the holy grail of alchemists was developing the magic
> > formula to turn lead into gold. It never worked, but that did not keep
> rich
> > people from funding alchemists to keep trying.
> > "Making fuel" from something always involves vast expenditure of time and
> > energy which quickly equates to using more energy than you make.
> > I think it qualifies for a special Darwin Award for futile endeavors.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 7:58 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I agree that crops as fuel doesn't make any sense but the future of
> >> ethanol/biodiesel is algae based. They grow the algae in tanks fed on
> the
> >> carbon dioxide output of power plants. Its a win-win, capture the carbon
> >> (and presumably excess heat) coming out of the power plants and create a
> >> usable fuel.
> >>
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >> On Friday, March 4, 2022, 09:03:12 AM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Let's hope not. It's silly and inefficient to use food crops as fuel.
> That
> >> applies to Ethanol as well.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, at 11:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >> > Maybe biodiesel will return to the pumps.
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 11:37 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Yes, diesel pickups were and still are abused by using used veg oil.
> >> They
> >> >> are ruined for the same reasons.
> >> >> Used cooking oil is severely contaminated with water, acids, and food
> >> >> particles that do not flow throw injection pumps and injectors.
> Failure
> >> to
> >> >> remove those contaminants is common with the belief that you just
> pump
> >> the
> >> >> waste cooking oil into your diesel tank and drive away for free.
> >> >> That does not work.
> >> >> Add to those sins the viscosity of veg oil at room temperature
> [whatever
> >> >> ambient temp might be].
> >> >> IF you have clean veg oil, de watered, and acid neutral, it still
> must
> >> be
> >> >> pre-heated to between 160F/180F to achieve a flow rate that will
> support
> >> >> atomization at the injector nozzle. Below 160F the nozzles will
> dribble
> >> and
> >> >> spew instead of spray crisply.
> >> >> The lack of good spray pattern means you do not get good compression
> >> >> ignition, thus semi burned veg oil builds carbon globs that stick and
> >> stack
> >> >> in the combustion chambers, valves, and nozzles. Those chunks of semi
> >> >> burned carbon grind the rings and cylinder walls to death.
> >> >> Further, the cold veg oil overworks the injector pump, fails to
> >> lubricate
> >> >> the close tolerance moving parts, and galls them [ruins the IP so it
> can
> >> >> not be rebuilt].
> >> >> So, the answer to your question is Yes, diesel trucks are also
> >> >> destroyed.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:17 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > When oil was $10/bbl did they use it as salad dressing??
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 10:11 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> >> >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > I saw it with older VW diesels also, around here.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, at 9:59 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
> >> >> > > > Good question. I have only really noticed it with MB diesels.
> For
> >> >> some
> >> >> > > > reason people think you can just run them with no maintenance
> and
> >> >> they
> >> >> > > > will last a million miles.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >> On Mar 3, 2022, at 8:57 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> >> >> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> I wonder if they (veg oil morons) destroy diesel pickups too?
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> Rick
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >> >> > > >> Sent: March 3, 2022 8:53 PM
> >> >> > > >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; davesl...@okiebenz.com
> >> >> > > >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >> >> > > >> Cc: 

Re: [MBZ] W124 Coupe

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Oh I don’t know. On 123 coupés the rear window regulators are apparently quite 
difficult to deal with but I don’t know about fitting. Could be I guess

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Mar 4, 2022, at 1:10 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I thought there was an issue with coupes and the fit/sealing of the windows 
> over time and that was a deal breaker.
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:23 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Floyd Thursby
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Coupe
>  
> I love the coupés and that one (other than being white) looks really
> nice other than no interior pics.  What is the window issue?
>  
> I'm not sure I would turn a nice car like that over to the boy with his
> history, but that would be your decision.  Find a beater 210 for such an
> endeavor.
>  
> --FT
>  
> On 3/4/22 12:06 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> > https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/scottsdale-1989-mercedes-coupe-for-sale/7452593304.html
> > 
> > Should I be running away from this? I see the headlight wipers are gone, 
> > but would it be an option for breathalyzer boy? Are the windows the 
> > dealbreaker on these?
> > 
> > AZBob
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Coupe

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

W123s, maybe, but I’m not aware of an issue with W124 coupes.

If anything, the seatbelt presenters can fail and I don’t believe parts are 
available for them.

-D

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 4, 2022, at 11:10 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
wrote:


I thought there was an issue with coupes and the fit/sealing of the windows 
over time and that was a deal breaker.

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:23 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Floyd Thursby
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Coupe

I love the coupés and that one (other than being white) looks really
nice other than no interior pics.  What is the window issue?

I'm not sure I would turn a nice car like that over to the boy with his
history, but that would be your decision.  Find a beater 210 for such an
endeavor.

--FT

On 3/4/22 12:06 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/scottsdale-1989-mercedes-coupe-for-sale/7452593304.html
>
> Should I be running away from this? I see the headlight wipers are gone, but 
> would it be an option for breathalyzer boy? Are the windows the dealbreaker 
> on these?
>
> AZBob
>
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Re: [MBZ] It’s 2008 all over again

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

SP?


 On Friday, March 4, 2022, 12:48:53 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel 
 wrote 



What was the SP of the whale oi?

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 12:46 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:
> There was a time when people thought it was crazy to pull oil up out of the 
> ground and try to refine it, after all you could get all the oil you might 
> ever need by boiling it out of whales...
> 
> As an aside we went to a gun show last weekend and one of the vendors had 
> small cans of whale oil. I didn't see how old they were but I'd guess 50-60 
> years or more.
> 
> -Curt
> 
>  On Friday, March 4, 2022, 11:36:03 AM EST, G Mann via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> In the middle ages, the holy grail of alchemists was developing the magic
> formula to turn lead into gold. It never worked, but that did not keep rich
> people from funding alchemists to keep trying.
> "Making fuel" from something always involves vast expenditure of time and
> energy which quickly equates to using more energy than you make.
> I think it qualifies for a special Darwin Award for futile endeavors.
> 
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 7:58 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I agree that crops as fuel doesn't make any sense but the future of
>> ethanol/biodiesel is algae based. They grow the algae in tanks fed on the
>> carbon dioxide output of power plants. Its a win-win, capture the carbon
>> (and presumably excess heat) coming out of the power plants and create a
>> usable fuel.
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>> On Friday, March 4, 2022, 09:03:12 AM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Let's hope not. It's silly and inefficient to use food crops as fuel. That
>> applies to Ethanol as well.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, at 11:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> > Maybe biodiesel will return to the pumps.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 11:37 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yes, diesel pickups were and still are abused by using used veg oil.
>> They
>> >> are ruined for the same reasons.
>> >> Used cooking oil is severely contaminated with water, acids, and food
>> >> particles that do not flow throw injection pumps and injectors. Failure
>> to
>> >> remove those contaminants is common with the belief that you just pump
>> the
>> >> waste cooking oil into your diesel tank and drive away for free.
>> >> That does not work.
>> >> Add to those sins the viscosity of veg oil at room temperature [whatever
>> >> ambient temp might be].
>> >> IF you have clean veg oil, de watered, and acid neutral, it still must
>> be
>> >> pre-heated to between 160F/180F to achieve a flow rate that will support
>> >> atomization at the injector nozzle. Below 160F the nozzles will dribble
>> and
>> >> spew instead of spray crisply.
>> >> The lack of good spray pattern means you do not get good compression
>> >> ignition, thus semi burned veg oil builds carbon globs that stick and
>> stack
>> >> in the combustion chambers, valves, and nozzles. Those chunks of semi
>> >> burned carbon grind the rings and cylinder walls to death.
>> >> Further, the cold veg oil overworks the injector pump, fails to
>> lubricate
>> >> the close tolerance moving parts, and galls them [ruins the IP so it can
>> >> not be rebuilt].
>> >> So, the answer to your question is Yes, diesel trucks are also
>> >> destroyed.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:17 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > When oil was $10/bbl did they use it as salad dressing??
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 10:11 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > I saw it with older VW diesels also, around here.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, at 9:59 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> >> > > > Good question. I have only really noticed it with MB diesels. For
>> >> some
>> >> > > > reason people think you can just run them with no maintenance and
>> >> they
>> >> > > > will last a million miles.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Sent from my iPhone
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >> On Mar 3, 2022, at 8:57 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
>> >> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> I wonder if they (veg oil morons) destroy diesel pickups too?
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Rick
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> >> > > >> Sent: March 3, 2022 8:53 PM
>> >> > > >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; davesl...@okiebenz.com
>> >> > > >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> >> > > >> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
>> >> > > >> Subject: [MBZ] It’s 2008 all over again
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Starting to see posts on Fakebook, and ads for cars for sale,
>> >> talking
>> >> > > about running used cooking oil as fuel. Here we go again. What cars
>> >> were
>> >> > > not destroyed by the first round of cooking oil people, then the
>> hood
>> >> > stack
>> >> > > people, will surely be 

Re: [MBZ] W124 Coupe

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I thought there was an issue with coupes and the fit/sealing of the windows over time and that was a deal breaker.  Sent from Mail for Windows From: Floyd Thursby via MercedesSent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:23 AMTo: mercedes@okiebenz.comCc: Floyd ThursbySubject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Coupe I love the coupés and that one (other than being white) looks really nice other than no interior pics.  What is the window issue? I'm not sure I would turn a nice car like that over to the boy with his history, but that would be your decision.  Find a beater 210 for such an endeavor. --FT On 3/4/22 12:06 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/scottsdale-1989-mercedes-coupe-for-sale/7452593304.html> > Should I be running away from this? I see the headlight wipers are gone, but would it be an option for breathalyzer boy? Are the windows the dealbreaker on these?> > AZBob> > Sent from my iPad> ___> http://www.okiebenz.com> > To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> -- --FT___http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com  

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Re: [MBZ] It’s 2008 all over again

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What was the SP of the whale oi?

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 12:46 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> There was a time when people thought it was crazy to pull oil up out of
> the ground and try to refine it, after all you could get all the oil you
> might ever need by boiling it out of whales...
>
> As an aside we went to a gun show last weekend and one of the vendors had
> small cans of whale oil. I didn't see how old they were but I'd guess 50-60
> years or more.
>
> -Curt
>
>  On Friday, March 4, 2022, 11:36:03 AM EST, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> In the middle ages, the holy grail of alchemists was developing the magic
> formula to turn lead into gold. It never worked, but that did not keep rich
> people from funding alchemists to keep trying.
> "Making fuel" from something always involves vast expenditure of time and
> energy which quickly equates to using more energy than you make.
> I think it qualifies for a special Darwin Award for futile endeavors.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 7:58 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I agree that crops as fuel doesn't make any sense but the future of
> > ethanol/biodiesel is algae based. They grow the algae in tanks fed on the
> > carbon dioxide output of power plants. Its a win-win, capture the carbon
> > (and presumably excess heat) coming out of the power plants and create a
> > usable fuel.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Friday, March 4, 2022, 09:03:12 AM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Let's hope not. It's silly and inefficient to use food crops as fuel.
> That
> > applies to Ethanol as well.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, at 11:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Maybe biodiesel will return to the pumps.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 11:37 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Yes, diesel pickups were and still are abused by using used veg oil.
> > They
> > >> are ruined for the same reasons.
> > >> Used cooking oil is severely contaminated with water, acids, and food
> > >> particles that do not flow throw injection pumps and injectors.
> Failure
> > to
> > >> remove those contaminants is common with the belief that you just pump
> > the
> > >> waste cooking oil into your diesel tank and drive away for free.
> > >> That does not work.
> > >> Add to those sins the viscosity of veg oil at room temperature
> [whatever
> > >> ambient temp might be].
> > >> IF you have clean veg oil, de watered, and acid neutral, it still must
> > be
> > >> pre-heated to between 160F/180F to achieve a flow rate that will
> support
> > >> atomization at the injector nozzle. Below 160F the nozzles will
> dribble
> > and
> > >> spew instead of spray crisply.
> > >> The lack of good spray pattern means you do not get good compression
> > >> ignition, thus semi burned veg oil builds carbon globs that stick and
> > stack
> > >> in the combustion chambers, valves, and nozzles. Those chunks of semi
> > >> burned carbon grind the rings and cylinder walls to death.
> > >> Further, the cold veg oil overworks the injector pump, fails to
> > lubricate
> > >> the close tolerance moving parts, and galls them [ruins the IP so it
> can
> > >> not be rebuilt].
> > >> So, the answer to your question is Yes, diesel trucks are also
> > >> destroyed.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:17 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > When oil was $10/bbl did they use it as salad dressing??
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 10:11 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > I saw it with older VW diesels also, around here.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, at 9:59 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
> > >> > > > Good question. I have only really noticed it with MB diesels.
> For
> > >> some
> > >> > > > reason people think you can just run them with no maintenance
> and
> > >> they
> > >> > > > will last a million miles.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >> On Mar 3, 2022, at 8:57 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > >> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> I wonder if they (veg oil morons) destroy diesel pickups too?
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> Rick
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > >> > > >> Sent: March 3, 2022 8:53 PM
> > >> > > >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; davesl...@okiebenz.com
> > >> > > >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > >> > > >> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
> > >> > > >> Subject: [MBZ] It’s 2008 all over again
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> Starting to see posts on Fakebook, and ads for cars for sale,
> > >> talking
> > >> > > about running used cooking oil as fuel. Here we go again. What
> cars
> > >> were
> > >> > > not destroyed by the first round of cooking oil 

Re: [MBZ] It’s 2008 all over again

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

There was a time when people thought it was crazy to pull oil up out of the 
ground and try to refine it, after all you could get all the oil you might ever 
need by boiling it out of whales...

As an aside we went to a gun show last weekend and one of the vendors had small 
cans of whale oil. I didn't see how old they were but I'd guess 50-60 years or 
more.

-Curt

 On Friday, March 4, 2022, 11:36:03 AM EST, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote: 

In the middle ages, the holy grail of alchemists was developing the magic
formula to turn lead into gold. It never worked, but that did not keep rich
people from funding alchemists to keep trying.
"Making fuel" from something always involves vast expenditure of time and
energy which quickly equates to using more energy than you make.
I think it qualifies for a special Darwin Award for futile endeavors.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 7:58 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I agree that crops as fuel doesn't make any sense but the future of
> ethanol/biodiesel is algae based. They grow the algae in tanks fed on the
> carbon dioxide output of power plants. Its a win-win, capture the carbon
> (and presumably excess heat) coming out of the power plants and create a
> usable fuel.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Friday, March 4, 2022, 09:03:12 AM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Let's hope not. It's silly and inefficient to use food crops as fuel. That
> applies to Ethanol as well.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, at 11:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Maybe biodiesel will return to the pumps.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 11:37 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, diesel pickups were and still are abused by using used veg oil.
> They
> >> are ruined for the same reasons.
> >> Used cooking oil is severely contaminated with water, acids, and food
> >> particles that do not flow throw injection pumps and injectors. Failure
> to
> >> remove those contaminants is common with the belief that you just pump
> the
> >> waste cooking oil into your diesel tank and drive away for free.
> >> That does not work.
> >> Add to those sins the viscosity of veg oil at room temperature [whatever
> >> ambient temp might be].
> >> IF you have clean veg oil, de watered, and acid neutral, it still must
> be
> >> pre-heated to between 160F/180F to achieve a flow rate that will support
> >> atomization at the injector nozzle. Below 160F the nozzles will dribble
> and
> >> spew instead of spray crisply.
> >> The lack of good spray pattern means you do not get good compression
> >> ignition, thus semi burned veg oil builds carbon globs that stick and
> stack
> >> in the combustion chambers, valves, and nozzles. Those chunks of semi
> >> burned carbon grind the rings and cylinder walls to death.
> >> Further, the cold veg oil overworks the injector pump, fails to
> lubricate
> >> the close tolerance moving parts, and galls them [ruins the IP so it can
> >> not be rebuilt].
> >> So, the answer to your question is Yes, diesel trucks are also
> >> destroyed.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:17 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > When oil was $10/bbl did they use it as salad dressing??
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 10:11 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I saw it with older VW diesels also, around here.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, at 9:59 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> > > > Good question. I have only really noticed it with MB diesels. For
> >> some
> >> > > > reason people think you can just run them with no maintenance and
> >> they
> >> > > > will last a million miles.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> On Mar 3, 2022, at 8:57 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> >> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> I wonder if they (veg oil morons) destroy diesel pickups too?
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Rick
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >> > > >> Sent: March 3, 2022 8:53 PM
> >> > > >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; davesl...@okiebenz.com
> >> > > >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >> > > >> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
> >> > > >> Subject: [MBZ] It’s 2008 all over again
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Starting to see posts on Fakebook, and ads for cars for sale,
> >> talking
> >> > > about running used cooking oil as fuel. Here we go again. What cars
> >> were
> >> > > not destroyed by the first round of cooking oil people, then the
> hood
> >> > stack
> >> > > people, will surely be destroyed by the second round of cooking oil
> >> > people.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> > > >>
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Coupe

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I love the coupés and that one (other than being white) looks really 
nice other than no interior pics.  What is the window issue?


I'm not sure I would turn a nice car like that over to the boy with his 
history, but that would be your decision.  Find a beater 210 for such an 
endeavor.


--FT

On 3/4/22 12:06 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/scottsdale-1989-mercedes-coupe-for-sale/7452593304.html

Should I be running away from this? I see the headlight wipers are gone, but 
would it be an option for breathalyzer boy? Are the windows the dealbreaker on 
these?

AZBob

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[MBZ] OT: Tsunami inundates Kessennuma City

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Real time footage of the 2011 tsunami, with Japanese commentary.  The
amount of debris carried away by the powerful waves is astounding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8qFi74k2UE
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[MBZ] W124 Coupe

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/scottsdale-1989-mercedes-coupe-for-sale/7452593304.html

Should I be running away from this? I see the headlight wipers are gone, but 
would it be an option for breathalyzer boy? Are the windows the dealbreaker on 
these?

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] It’s 2008 all over again

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> "Making fuel" from something always involves vast expenditure of time and
> energy which quickly equates to using more energy than you make.

While the second law of thermodynamics is inviolate, the point of this
was not to make _energy_.  It is to make _fuel_ out of waste products, and
requires a significant input of solar energy.  In this case it's a solar energy
endeavor, but with convenient supplies of heat and food for the bugs,
presumably multiplying the efficiency somewhat.

Think "breeder reactor", rather than "perpetual motion machine."

Even so, I don't know how it pencils out.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] My ML350 Bluetec Oil Cooler Seal Repair update

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I applaud your efforts. Not an easy job. 

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Mar 4, 2022, at 11:15 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes I am still trying to finish the oil cooler seal replacement on my new to 
> me 2012 ML350 diesel. I have the turbo back in and have to finish up 
> connecting the exhaust down pipe to the back of the turbo. I may have to take 
> the car to the dealer or a European indy to compete the second step after 
> torqueing the (3) screws to ( 20 NM). Step two is tightening the screws and 
> additional ( 90 degs ). These screws face the engine bulkhead and is under 
> engine shielding. The top (2) are sort accessible but  third is on the bottom 
> with very little access. Matter of fact I dropped the third screw and still 
> need to find it. Below is the link to where been posting most of my photos of 
> this project.
> 
> Things to Complete list
> 1) Install O2 probe at elbow of exhaust pipe
> 2) Install new CCV valve assembly
> 3) Install fuel rail to fuel rail connection line
> 4) Double check that all fuel injector supply nuts have been torqued
> 5) Install new fuel filter ( I will prefill filter with fuel )
> 6) Install charge air from turbo to front of engine and turbo intercooler
> 7) Reinstall injector return fuel line
> 8) Install air intake assembly that connects to the turbo. ( I purchased new 
> seal for this joint )
> 9) Install all remaining electrical connectors
> 10) Install rear shield located behind turbo
> 11) Install new inlet air filters, left & right
> 12) Install the rest of the engine shielding
> 13) double check that all electrical and mechanical items
> 14) Install coolant that was drained from engine
> 15) test start engine ( May take several tries as fuel lines need to be 
> recharged )
> 
> 
> Link to Oil cooler seal replacement project: 
> https://mbworld.org/forums/m-class-w166/834751-2012-ml350-blutec-oil-cooler-leak-repair.html
> 
> Bob Massmann
> 2012 ML350 Bluetec 87,000 miles
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Re: [MBZ] It’s 2008 all over again

[G Mann via Mercedes]

In the middle ages, the holy grail of alchemists was developing the magic
formula to turn lead into gold. It never worked, but that did not keep rich
people from funding alchemists to keep trying.
"Making fuel" from something always involves vast expenditure of time and
energy which quickly equates to using more energy than you make.
I think it qualifies for a special Darwin Award for futile endeavors.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 7:58 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I agree that crops as fuel doesn't make any sense but the future of
> ethanol/biodiesel is algae based. They grow the algae in tanks fed on the
> carbon dioxide output of power plants. Its a win-win, capture the carbon
> (and presumably excess heat) coming out of the power plants and create a
> usable fuel.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Friday, March 4, 2022, 09:03:12 AM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Let's hope not. It's silly and inefficient to use food crops as fuel. That
> applies to Ethanol as well.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, at 11:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Maybe biodiesel will return to the pumps.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 11:37 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, diesel pickups were and still are abused by using used veg oil.
> They
> >> are ruined for the same reasons.
> >> Used cooking oil is severely contaminated with water, acids, and food
> >> particles that do not flow throw injection pumps and injectors. Failure
> to
> >> remove those contaminants is common with the belief that you just pump
> the
> >> waste cooking oil into your diesel tank and drive away for free.
> >> That does not work.
> >> Add to those sins the viscosity of veg oil at room temperature [whatever
> >> ambient temp might be].
> >> IF you have clean veg oil, de watered, and acid neutral, it still must
> be
> >> pre-heated to between 160F/180F to achieve a flow rate that will support
> >> atomization at the injector nozzle. Below 160F the nozzles will dribble
> and
> >> spew instead of spray crisply.
> >> The lack of good spray pattern means you do not get good compression
> >> ignition, thus semi burned veg oil builds carbon globs that stick and
> stack
> >> in the combustion chambers, valves, and nozzles. Those chunks of semi
> >> burned carbon grind the rings and cylinder walls to death.
> >> Further, the cold veg oil overworks the injector pump, fails to
> lubricate
> >> the close tolerance moving parts, and galls them [ruins the IP so it can
> >> not be rebuilt].
> >> So, the answer to your question is Yes, diesel trucks are also
> >> destroyed.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:17 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > When oil was $10/bbl did they use it as salad dressing??
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 10:11 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I saw it with older VW diesels also, around here.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, at 9:59 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> > > > Good question. I have only really noticed it with MB diesels. For
> >> some
> >> > > > reason people think you can just run them with no maintenance and
> >> they
> >> > > > will last a million miles.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> On Mar 3, 2022, at 8:57 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> >> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> I wonder if they (veg oil morons) destroy diesel pickups too?
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Rick
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >> > > >> Sent: March 3, 2022 8:53 PM
> >> > > >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; davesl...@okiebenz.com
> >> > > >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >> > > >> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
> >> > > >> Subject: [MBZ] It’s 2008 all over again
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Starting to see posts on Fakebook, and ads for cars for sale,
> >> talking
> >> > > about running used cooking oil as fuel. Here we go again. What cars
> >> were
> >> > > not destroyed by the first round of cooking oil people, then the
> hood
> >> > stack
> >> > > people, will surely be destroyed by the second round of cooking oil
> >> > people.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> > > >>
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[MBZ] My ML350 Bluetec Oil Cooler Seal Repair update

[Robert Massmann via Mercedes]

Yes I am still trying to finish the oil cooler seal replacement on my new to me 
2012 ML350 diesel. I have the turbo back in and have to finish up connecting 
the exhaust down pipe to the back of the turbo. I may have to take the car to 
the dealer or a European indy to compete the second step after torqueing the 
(3) screws to ( 20 NM). Step two is tightening the screws and additional ( 90 
degs ). These screws face the engine bulkhead and is under engine shielding. 
The top (2) are sort accessible but  third is on the bottom with very little 
access. Matter of fact I dropped the third screw and still need to find it. 
Below is the link to where been posting most of my photos of this project.

Things to Complete list
1) Install O2 probe at elbow of exhaust pipe
2) Install new CCV valve assembly
3) Install fuel rail to fuel rail connection line
4) Double check that all fuel injector supply nuts have been torqued
5) Install new fuel filter ( I will prefill filter with fuel )
6) Install charge air from turbo to front of engine and turbo intercooler
7) Reinstall injector return fuel line
8) Install air intake assembly that connects to the turbo. ( I purchased new 
seal for this joint )
9) Install all remaining electrical connectors
10) Install rear shield located behind turbo
11) Install new inlet air filters, left & right
12) Install the rest of the engine shielding
13) double check that all electrical and mechanical items
14) Install coolant that was drained from engine
15) test start engine ( May take several tries as fuel lines need to be 
recharged )


Link to Oil cooler seal replacement project: 
https://mbworld.org/forums/m-class-w166/834751-2012-ml350-blutec-oil-cooler-leak-repair.html

Bob Massmann
2012 ML350 Bluetec 87,000 miles
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[MBZ] It needs finishing up and a clutch 1963 Mercedes-Benz el camino, $800

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Well, the price is not bad.  I might replace the new sheet metal with 
something other than mobile home siding but that's just me...


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/363458165629748

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Re: [MBZ] It's a good 'un

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

no loballers i no what i got

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On 3/4/22 10:12 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/345057714034186/

That'll buff right out.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Shamu -- I don't think I have ever seen one of these -- 2021 MERCEDES-BENZ A 220 4MATIC - $40, 000 (Jacksonville)

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Rebuilt Title with 7k miles?

Storm damage maybe? Wrecked?

I really don't care for the Star Trek look of the instruments on these glass 
dashboards. Do they have "themes" available? Can I select "classic analog" at 
least, and get rid of all the blue and red?

The air vents are awful as well. They look like a certain body orifice that I 
won't define further.



On Fri, Mar 4, 2022, at 9:15 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/d/jacksonville-2021-mercedes-benz-220/7453506356.html
>
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[MBZ] It's a good 'un

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/345057714034186/

That'll buff right out.

-Curt

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[MBZ] Bosch K-Jetronic – Part 1, The Basics

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://tasteslikepetrol.net/2020/02/bosch-k-jetronic-basics/

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Re: [MBZ] It’s 2008 all over again

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I agree that crops as fuel doesn't make any sense but the future of 
ethanol/biodiesel is algae based. They grow the algae in tanks fed on the 
carbon dioxide output of power plants. Its a win-win, capture the carbon (and 
presumably excess heat) coming out of the power plants and create a usable fuel.

-Curt

On Friday, March 4, 2022, 09:03:12 AM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Let's hope not. It's silly and inefficient to use food crops as fuel. That 
applies to Ethanol as well.


On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, at 11:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Maybe biodiesel will return to the pumps.
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 11:37 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, diesel pickups were and still are abused by using used veg oil. They
>> are ruined for the same reasons.
>> Used cooking oil is severely contaminated with water, acids, and food
>> particles that do not flow throw injection pumps and injectors. Failure to
>> remove those contaminants is common with the belief that you just pump the
>> waste cooking oil into your diesel tank and drive away for free.
>> That does not work.
>> Add to those sins the viscosity of veg oil at room temperature [whatever
>> ambient temp might be].
>> IF you have clean veg oil, de watered, and acid neutral, it still must be
>> pre-heated to between 160F/180F to achieve a flow rate that will support
>> atomization at the injector nozzle. Below 160F the nozzles will dribble and
>> spew instead of spray crisply.
>> The lack of good spray pattern means you do not get good compression
>> ignition, thus semi burned veg oil builds carbon globs that stick and stack
>> in the combustion chambers, valves, and nozzles. Those chunks of semi
>> burned carbon grind the rings and cylinder walls to death.
>> Further, the cold veg oil overworks the injector pump, fails to lubricate
>> the close tolerance moving parts, and galls them [ruins the IP so it can
>> not be rebuilt].
>> So, the answer to your question is Yes, diesel trucks are also
>> destroyed.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:17 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > When oil was $10/bbl did they use it as salad dressing??
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 10:11 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I saw it with older VW diesels also, around here.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, at 9:59 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> > > > Good question. I have only really noticed it with MB diesels. For
>> some
>> > > > reason people think you can just run them with no maintenance and
>> they
>> > > > will last a million miles.
>> > > >
>> > > > Sent from my iPhone
>> > > >
>> > > >> On Mar 3, 2022, at 8:57 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
>> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I wonder if they (veg oil morons) destroy diesel pickups too?
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Rick
>> > > >>
>> > > >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> > > >> Sent: March 3, 2022 8:53 PM
>> > > >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; davesl...@okiebenz.com
>> > > >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> > > >> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
>> > > >> Subject: [MBZ] It’s 2008 all over again
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Starting to see posts on Fakebook, and ads for cars for sale,
>> talking
>> > > about running used cooking oil as fuel. Here we go again. What cars
>> were
>> > > not destroyed by the first round of cooking oil people, then the hood
>> > stack
>> > > people, will surely be destroyed by the second round of cooking oil
>> > people.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Sent from my iPhone
>> > > >>
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>> >
>> > 

[MBZ] don’t low ball me and serious inquiries only .Bill of Sell only ! 1929 Mercedes-Benz benz Kit car,$2,000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

needs some TLC

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/349294740435553

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[MBZ] this is a project car and is a 1990 not a 2023 1990 Mercedes-Benz 300 SE Sedan 4D, $1, 800

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

my grandpa was driving down the road and the hood did come up bend, as 
well as crack the windshield but is fixable


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[MBZ] Shamu -- I don't think I have ever seen one of these -- 2021 MERCEDES-BENZ A 220 4MATIC - $40, 000 (Jacksonville)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/d/jacksonville-2021-mercedes-benz-220/7453506356.html

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Re: [MBZ] It’s 2008 all over again

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Let's hope not. It's silly and inefficient to use food crops as fuel. That 
applies to Ethanol as well.


On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, at 11:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Maybe biodiesel will return to the pumps.
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 11:37 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, diesel pickups were and still are abused by using used veg oil. They
>> are ruined for the same reasons.
>> Used cooking oil is severely contaminated with water, acids, and food
>> particles that do not flow throw injection pumps and injectors. Failure to
>> remove those contaminants is common with the belief that you just pump the
>> waste cooking oil into your diesel tank and drive away for free.
>> That does not work.
>> Add to those sins the viscosity of veg oil at room temperature [whatever
>> ambient temp might be].
>> IF you have clean veg oil, de watered, and acid neutral, it still must be
>> pre-heated to between 160F/180F to achieve a flow rate that will support
>> atomization at the injector nozzle. Below 160F the nozzles will dribble and
>> spew instead of spray crisply.
>> The lack of good spray pattern means you do not get good compression
>> ignition, thus semi burned veg oil builds carbon globs that stick and stack
>> in the combustion chambers, valves, and nozzles. Those chunks of semi
>> burned carbon grind the rings and cylinder walls to death.
>> Further, the cold veg oil overworks the injector pump, fails to lubricate
>> the close tolerance moving parts, and galls them [ruins the IP so it can
>> not be rebuilt].
>> So, the answer to your question is Yes, diesel trucks are also
>> destroyed.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:17 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > When oil was $10/bbl did they use it as salad dressing??
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 10:11 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I saw it with older VW diesels also, around here.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, at 9:59 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> > > > Good question. I have only really noticed it with MB diesels. For
>> some
>> > > > reason people think you can just run them with no maintenance and
>> they
>> > > > will last a million miles.
>> > > >
>> > > > Sent from my iPhone
>> > > >
>> > > >> On Mar 3, 2022, at 8:57 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
>> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I wonder if they (veg oil morons) destroy diesel pickups too?
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Rick
>> > > >>
>> > > >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> > > >> Sent: March 3, 2022 8:53 PM
>> > > >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; davesl...@okiebenz.com
>> > > >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> > > >> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
>> > > >> Subject: [MBZ] It’s 2008 all over again
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Starting to see posts on Fakebook, and ads for cars for sale,
>> talking
>> > > about running used cooking oil as fuel. Here we go again. What cars
>> were
>> > > not destroyed by the first round of cooking oil people, then the hood
>> > stack
>> > > people, will surely be destroyed by the second round of cooking oil
>> > people.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Sent from my iPhone
>> > > >>
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