[MBZ] Misc parts cars

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https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/goshen-mercedes/7488713336.html
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[MBZ] 2000 E320 4-matic wagon - 275k miles - $3,500

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Price high with the miles? Looks fairly decent though.

https://evansville.craigslist.org/cto/d/mount-vernon-mercedes-benz-e320-matic/7488807417.html
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[MBZ] 1993 Mercedes-Benz 400E w/80k Miles | The MB Market

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Who wants a 400E?


https://thembmarket.com/1993-mercedes-benz-400e


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Re: [MBZ] Even a Pristine brown 300SD

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Looks just like mine, except for the pristine part.

On Thu, May 26, 2022, at 6:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Sold for maybe 4X the MSRP.  Unbelievable.
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-mercedes-benz-300sd-22/
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Re: [MBZ] Mind boggling

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Leno has had a few older Nissans (Datsuns) on his YouTube channel. They are 
generally described as "British sports cars built properly"



On Thu, May 26, 2022, at 6:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Anyone ever heard of a 1969 Nissan Skyline sedan?  Apparently they are
> truly extraordinary.
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-nissan-skyline-2000-gt-r-2/?
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Re: [MBZ] 1958 Mercedes-Benz 220s,$5,000

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Assuming it were properly (or at least competently) restored, what would it 
fetch on BaT?

On Thu, May 26, 2022, at 6:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Probably another $15K needed for a barely passable restoration.
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 5:39 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Surface rust but looks complete
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/749739782712660
>>
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

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When I first heard of ZEVs, I thought "Oh, you mean Remote Emissions 
Vehicles".

Mitch.

On 2022-05-26 17:24, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

And I don’t want to start the back and forth up, but the electricity
to charge those batteries has to come from somewhere, and it’s likely
generated using fossil fuels at present.

So the emissions are going to come from somewhere in the process, just
not from a tailpipe on the car in this case.




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Re: [MBZ] Mind boggling

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Skyline GT-Rs have always been the Japanese grail of hot sedans.
That version appears to be the mechanical equal of the 2000GT.

But the 2000GT is also super beautiful and mega expensive in addition to 
being a mechanical marvel.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Unrestored 1966 AMC Rambler Ambassador 880 - $16,500

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On 2022-05-26 18:45, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

In high school my buddy drove his dads car for our weekend cruising.
Rambler with 327 if I recall. The car was pretty fast. Had the
lay-flat seats which he occasionally put to good use.



My mom always knew when my brother dropped the seats in the American.
The seat belts would disappear and he wouldn't notice so the next day 
mom would pull them back up between the seat backs and the seat base.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Unrestored 1966 AMC Rambler Ambassador 880 - $16,500

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In high school my buddy drove his dads car for our weekend cruising. Rambler 
with 327 if I recall. The car was pretty fast. Had the lay-flat seats which he 
occasionally put to good use. We’d all toss a quarter or fiddysin in the pot 
and that would keep gas in it so his dad didn’t get pissed at us. 

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> On May 25, 2022, at 5:01 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> He should probably be listing this on BaT for wider exposure. Not sure what 
> they are worth though.
> 
> The 327 V8 appears to be the biggest engine AMC made in that era.
> 
> https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/clear-creek-1966-amc-rambler-ambassador/7486485988.html
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

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No LOCAL emissions - their total emissions from harvesting the raw
materials to generating the electricity to charge them is higher than a
Mercedes Diesel.

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 4:36 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> EV have no emissions when driven so that's the benefit.
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 4:03 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I read an article recently about the massive amount of diesel fuel burned
> > to run the equipment to mine the minerals to make 1 EV battery. Not to
> > mention the soil that must be moved. For the last 30 or 40 years they
> > should have developed more nuclear power and figured out something else
> > besides electric battery powered cars.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On May 26, 2022, at 2:31 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > EVs are for pussies!
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On May 26, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> 6-8 mile commutes are where an EV excels. Electric heat means the
> > cabin is warm quickly and you don't need to worry about range.
> > >> Curt
> > >>
> > >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 11:31 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes<
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   As I understand it, the important thing
> > with Blue Tec is that the DPF "regeneration" cycle needs time to
> complete.
> > If it's frequently interrupted, you eventually have problems. I don't
> know
> > how long a cycle takes, or if 6-8 miles of driving is enough time. Kevin
> > posted a writeup a while back on someone's woes with Bluetec.
> > >>
> > >> It's not great for any car, gas or diesel, to not get fully warmed up.
> > You really want to get the engine oil and exhaust fully warm to drive out
> > moisture. That said, a 6-8 miles drive twice daily is probably OK
> > especially if some of it is at highway speeds and you're doing occasional
> > longer drives. You might be better off with a gasser though, or (heaven
> > forbid) even an EV for a commute that short.
> > >>
> > >>
> >  On Thu, May 26, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
> > >>> I have been out of the MB diesel game for too long and can’t keep up
> > on
> > >>> the nomenclature and which ones to avoid.
> > >>>
> > >>> If I was looking for a Mercedes diesel that would get 30+ mpg and is
> > >>> pretty reliable which would I look for?
> > >>>
> > >>> I know the 124 diesel with the 2.5 (602?) is great.  And the 603 is
> > >>> very good too. (Right?)
> > >>>
> > >>> The 606 in the 124 and 210 is also good?
> > >>>
> > >>> Then, the CDI started and the Black Death is a big concern and the
> > blue
> > >>> tec is next.  Someone mentioned the other day that bluetec has its
> own
> > >>> issues — most notably it is not good for relatively short drives like
> > a
> > >>> 10 minute commute.  It really needs to be driven for a while to get
> > >>> everything heated up and working.
> > >>>
> > >>> My cars now get driven to work only 6-8 miles one way. Half of that
> is
> > >>> on the highway - obviously not for long.  Then relatively short trips
> > >>> on the weekend. occasionally we drive long distances over a weekend
> > 600
> > >>> miles or so maybe every few months.
> > >>>
> > >>> So, if I want a fuel efficient MB diesel that doesn’t have to be
> > driven
> > >>> 30 minutes at a time, should I be focused on 124 and 210 with the
> 602,
> > >>> 603, and 606?
> > >>>
> > >>> What was the six cylinder non-turbo that was in the 124 and 210? I
> > >>> remember hearing great things about those.
> > >>>
> > >>> Donald H. Snook
> > >>>
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Of course, so does a bicycle for those distances!

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> 6-8 mile commutes are where an EV excels. Electric heat means the cabin is
> warm quickly and you don't need to worry about range.
> Curt
>

-- 
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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

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2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[OK Don via Mercedes]

It doesn't matter which fuel an engine burns, if you don't get it up to
temp, you deposit water and combustion byproducts in the oil, which starts
to eat the insides of the engine. I use this stuff because we drive maybe
once every other week:
https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/camguard.php?clickkey=4333

However, if Snook is still trading cars every six months, it's a non-issue
for him. We intend to keep these cars for another ten years, if not till we
die, so I try to take care of them.

I'd go the extra mile looking for a turbo 606 - it's really hard to go back
to an NA Diesel after driving a turbo Diesel for a while.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It sounds like you'd be better served with a gas car. With the cost of
> diesel recently and the fact that you're going to short drive it you'll
> carbon up a 60x engine. Get a V8 and enjoy it.
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 11:00 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   I have been out of the MB diesel game for
> too long and can’t keep up on the nomenclature and which ones to avoid.
>
> If I was looking for a Mercedes diesel that would get 30+ mpg and is
> pretty reliable which would I look for?
>
> I know the 124 diesel with the 2.5 (602?) is great.  And the 603 is very
> good too. (Right?)
>
> The 606 in the 124 and 210 is also good?
>
> Then, the CDI started and the Black Death is a big concern and the blue
> tec is next.  Someone mentioned the other day that bluetec has its own
> issues — most notably it is not good for relatively short drives like a 10
> minute commute.  It really needs to be driven for a while to get everything
> heated up and working.
>
> My cars now get driven to work only 6-8 miles one way. Half of that is on
> the highway - obviously not for long.  Then relatively short trips on the
> weekend. occasionally we drive long distances over a weekend 600 miles or
> so maybe every few months.
>
> So, if I want a fuel efficient MB diesel that doesn’t have to be driven 30
> minutes at a time, should I be focused on 124 and 210 with the 602, 603,
> and 606?
>
> What was the six cylinder non-turbo that was in the 124 and 210? I
> remember hearing great things about those.
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
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[MBZ] Even a Pristine brown 300SD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Sold for maybe 4X the MSRP.  Unbelievable.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-mercedes-benz-300sd-22/
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Re: [MBZ] Price is firm. Huge amount of interest. 2001 Mercedes-Benz cl-class, $3, 500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

If it was mechanically OK maybe $6-7 with the paint condition from what 
he says, but there might be fools that would pay more, I don't know


--FT

On 5/26/22 6:01 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

What's a fair value for that car with everything fixed?

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 5:39 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Car is a mess but interior looks OK.  Might be worth half that.

Not interested in lower offers.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1077918316266390

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[MBZ] Mind boggling

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Anyone ever heard of a 1969 Nissan Skyline sedan?  Apparently they are
truly extraordinary.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-nissan-skyline-2000-gt-r-2/?
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Re: [MBZ] Price is firm. Huge amount of interest. 2001 Mercedes-Benz cl-class, $3, 500

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What's a fair value for that car with everything fixed?

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 5:39 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Car is a mess but interior looks OK.  Might be worth half that.
>
> Not interested in lower offers.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1077918316266390
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1958 Mercedes-Benz 220s,$5,000

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Probably another $15K needed for a barely passable restoration.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Surface rust but looks complete
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/749739782712660
>
> --
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Re: [MBZ] Doesn't look bad, 4spd? 1975 Mercedes-Benz 240 d,$2,000

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Red paint makes it worth following up.

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 5:36 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Odometer most likely rolled over at least once.
>
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2022, at 3:51 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/495802569001484
> >
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

True. We’re all pussies.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2022, at 3:32 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A real man would walk. Uphill both ways.
> 
> 
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 26, 2022, at 3:31 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> EVs are for pussies!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 26, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 6-8 mile commutes are where an EV excels. Electric heat means the cabin is 
>>> warm quickly and you don't need to worry about range.
>>> Curt
>>> 
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 11:31 AM, Allan Streib via 
>>> Mercedes wrote:   As I understand it, the important 
>>> thing with Blue Tec is that the DPF "regeneration" cycle needs time to 
>>> complete. If it's frequently interrupted, you eventually have problems. I 
>>> don't know how long a cycle takes, or if 6-8 miles of driving is enough 
>>> time. Kevin posted a writeup a while back on someone's woes with Bluetec.
>>> 
>>> It's not great for any car, gas or diesel, to not get fully warmed up. You 
>>> really want to get the engine oil and exhaust fully warm to drive out 
>>> moisture. That said, a 6-8 miles drive twice daily is probably OK 
>>> especially if some of it is at highway speeds and you're doing occasional 
>>> longer drives. You might be better off with a gasser though, or (heaven 
>>> forbid) even an EV for a commute that short.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, May 26, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
 I have been out of the MB diesel game for too long and can’t keep up on 
 the nomenclature and which ones to avoid. 
 
 If I was looking for a Mercedes diesel that would get 30+ mpg and is 
 pretty reliable which would I look for? 
 
 I know the 124 diesel with the 2.5 (602?) is great.  And the 603 is 
 very good too. (Right?) 
 
 The 606 in the 124 and 210 is also good? 
 
 Then, the CDI started and the Black Death is a big concern and the blue 
 tec is next.  Someone mentioned the other day that bluetec has its own 
 issues — most notably it is not good for relatively short drives like a 
 10 minute commute.  It really needs to be driven for a while to get 
 everything heated up and working.  
 
 My cars now get driven to work only 6-8 miles one way. Half of that is 
 on the highway - obviously not for long.  Then relatively short trips 
 on the weekend. occasionally we drive long distances over a weekend 600 
 miles or so maybe every few months.  
 
 So, if I want a fuel efficient MB diesel that doesn’t have to be driven 
 30 minutes at a time, should I be focused on 124 and 210 with the 602, 
 603, and 606? 
 
 What was the six cylinder non-turbo that was in the 124 and 210? I 
 remember hearing great things about those. 
 
 Donald H. Snook
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

One way of thinking about it!

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2022, at 4:59 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> You're thinking backwards, the more people driving EVs means more petroleum 
> for us...
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 3:30 PM, Dimitri Seretakis
>  wrote:
> EVs are for pussies!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 26, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 6-8 mile commutes are where an EV excels. Electric heat means the cabin is 
> > warm quickly and you don't need to worry about range.
> > Curt
> > 
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> > 
> >  On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 11:31 AM, Allan Streib via 
> > Mercedes wrote:  As I understand it, the important 
> > thing with Blue Tec is that the DPF "regeneration" cycle needs time to 
> > complete. If it's frequently interrupted, you eventually have problems. I 
> > don't know how long a cycle takes, or if 6-8 miles of driving is enough 
> > time. Kevin posted a writeup a while back on someone's woes with Bluetec.
> > 
> > It's not great for any car, gas or diesel, to not get fully warmed up. You 
> > really want to get the engine oil and exhaust fully warm to drive out 
> > moisture. That said, a 6-8 miles drive twice daily is probably OK 
> > especially if some of it is at highway speeds and you're doing occasional 
> > longer drives. You might be better off with a gasser though, or (heaven 
> > forbid) even an EV for a commute that short.
> > 
> > 
> >> On Thu, May 26, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I have been out of the MB diesel game for too long and can’t keep up on 
> >> the nomenclature and which ones to avoid. 
> >> 
> >> If I was looking for a Mercedes diesel that would get 30+ mpg and is 
> >> pretty reliable which would I look for? 
> >> 
> >> I know the 124 diesel with the 2.5 (602?) is great.  And the 603 is 
> >> very good too. (Right?) 
> >> 
> >> The 606 in the 124 and 210 is also good? 
> >> 
> >> Then, the CDI started and the Black Death is a big concern and the blue 
> >> tec is next.  Someone mentioned the other day that bluetec has its own 
> >> issues — most notably it is not good for relatively short drives like a 
> >> 10 minute commute.  It really needs to be driven for a while to get 
> >> everything heated up and working.  
> >> 
> >> My cars now get driven to work only 6-8 miles one way. Half of that is 
> >> on the highway - obviously not for long.  Then relatively short trips 
> >> on the weekend. occasionally we drive long distances over a weekend 600 
> >> miles or so maybe every few months.  
> >> 
> >> So, if I want a fuel efficient MB diesel that doesn’t have to be driven 
> >> 30 minutes at a time, should I be focused on 124 and 210 with the 602, 
> >> 603, and 606? 
> >> 
> >> What was the six cylinder non-turbo that was in the 124 and 210? I 
> >> remember hearing great things about those. 
> >> 
> >> Donald H. Snook
> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] Doesn't look bad, 4spd? 1975 Mercedes-Benz 240 d,$2,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Or both. 

Either way, I don't believe for a second that it has 19k miles.


On Thu, May 26, 2022, at 4:49 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> or just quit working
>
> --FT
>
> On 5/26/22 4:58 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> Odometer most likely rolled over at least once.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 26, 2022, at 3:51 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/495802569001484
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Re: [MBZ] Doesn't look bad, 4spd? 1975 Mercedes-Benz 240 d,$2,000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

or just quit working

--FT

On 5/26/22 4:58 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Odometer most likely rolled over at least once.


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Re: [MBZ] If you hit a side window with something really hard

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if you had a w140 those windows are bullet proof.

On Thu, May 26, 2022, 5:41 PM mitch--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> very little energy is needed to break the window.
>
> A 1/4oz piece of spark plug insulator tossed at the window, for
> example...
>
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Only if they are charged from a no-emissions power source.


On Thu, May 26, 2022, at 4:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> EV have no emissions when driven so that's the benefit.
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 4:03 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I read an article recently about the massive amount of diesel fuel burned
>> to run the equipment to mine the minerals to make 1 EV battery. Not to
>> mention the soil that must be moved. For the last 30 or 40 years they
>> should have developed more nuclear power and figured out something else
>> besides electric battery powered cars.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

And I don’t want to start the back and forth up, but the electricity to charge 
those batteries has to come from somewhere, and it’s likely generated using 
fossil fuels at present.

So the emissions are going to come from somewhere in the process, just not from 
a tailpipe on the car in this case.

-D

> On May 26, 2022, at 5:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> EV have no emissions when driven so that's the benefit.
> 
> On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 4:03 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I read an article recently about the massive amount of diesel fuel burned
>> to run the equipment to mine the minerals to make 1 EV battery. Not to
>> mention the soil that must be moved. For the last 30 or 40 years they
>> should have developed more nuclear power and figured out something else
>> besides electric battery powered cars.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 26, 2022, at 2:31 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> EVs are for pussies!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 26, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 6-8 mile commutes are where an EV excels. Electric heat means the
>> cabin is warm quickly and you don't need to worry about range.
 Curt
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
 
 On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 11:31 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes<
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   As I understand it, the important thing
>> with Blue Tec is that the DPF "regeneration" cycle needs time to complete.
>> If it's frequently interrupted, you eventually have problems. I don't know
>> how long a cycle takes, or if 6-8 miles of driving is enough time. Kevin
>> posted a writeup a while back on someone's woes with Bluetec.
 
 It's not great for any car, gas or diesel, to not get fully warmed up.
>> You really want to get the engine oil and exhaust fully warm to drive out
>> moisture. That said, a 6-8 miles drive twice daily is probably OK
>> especially if some of it is at highway speeds and you're doing occasional
>> longer drives. You might be better off with a gasser though, or (heaven
>> forbid) even an EV for a commute that short.
 
 
>> On Thu, May 26, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
> I have been out of the MB diesel game for too long and can’t keep up
>> on
> the nomenclature and which ones to avoid.
> 
> If I was looking for a Mercedes diesel that would get 30+ mpg and is
> pretty reliable which would I look for?
> 
> I know the 124 diesel with the 2.5 (602?) is great.  And the 603 is
> very good too. (Right?)
> 
> The 606 in the 124 and 210 is also good?
> 
> Then, the CDI started and the Black Death is a big concern and the
>> blue
> tec is next.  Someone mentioned the other day that bluetec has its own
> issues — most notably it is not good for relatively short drives like
>> a
> 10 minute commute.  It really needs to be driven for a while to get
> everything heated up and working.
> 
> My cars now get driven to work only 6-8 miles one way. Half of that is
> on the highway - obviously not for long.  Then relatively short trips
> on the weekend. occasionally we drive long distances over a weekend
>> 600
> miles or so maybe every few months.
> 
> So, if I want a fuel efficient MB diesel that doesn’t have to be
>> driven
> 30 minutes at a time, should I be focused on 124 and 210 with the 602,
> 603, and 606?
> 
> What was the six cylinder non-turbo that was in the 124 and 210? I
> remember hearing great things about those.
> 
> Donald H. Snook
> 
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

EV have no emissions when driven so that's the benefit.

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 4:03 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I read an article recently about the massive amount of diesel fuel burned
> to run the equipment to mine the minerals to make 1 EV battery. Not to
> mention the soil that must be moved. For the last 30 or 40 years they
> should have developed more nuclear power and figured out something else
> besides electric battery powered cars.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 26, 2022, at 2:31 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > EVs are for pussies!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On May 26, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> 6-8 mile commutes are where an EV excels. Electric heat means the
> cabin is warm quickly and you don't need to worry about range.
> >> Curt
> >>
> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 11:31 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   As I understand it, the important thing
> with Blue Tec is that the DPF "regeneration" cycle needs time to complete.
> If it's frequently interrupted, you eventually have problems. I don't know
> how long a cycle takes, or if 6-8 miles of driving is enough time. Kevin
> posted a writeup a while back on someone's woes with Bluetec.
> >>
> >> It's not great for any car, gas or diesel, to not get fully warmed up.
> You really want to get the engine oil and exhaust fully warm to drive out
> moisture. That said, a 6-8 miles drive twice daily is probably OK
> especially if some of it is at highway speeds and you're doing occasional
> longer drives. You might be better off with a gasser though, or (heaven
> forbid) even an EV for a commute that short.
> >>
> >>
>  On Thu, May 26, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> I have been out of the MB diesel game for too long and can’t keep up
> on
> >>> the nomenclature and which ones to avoid.
> >>>
> >>> If I was looking for a Mercedes diesel that would get 30+ mpg and is
> >>> pretty reliable which would I look for?
> >>>
> >>> I know the 124 diesel with the 2.5 (602?) is great.  And the 603 is
> >>> very good too. (Right?)
> >>>
> >>> The 606 in the 124 and 210 is also good?
> >>>
> >>> Then, the CDI started and the Black Death is a big concern and the
> blue
> >>> tec is next.  Someone mentioned the other day that bluetec has its own
> >>> issues — most notably it is not good for relatively short drives like
> a
> >>> 10 minute commute.  It really needs to be driven for a while to get
> >>> everything heated up and working.
> >>>
> >>> My cars now get driven to work only 6-8 miles one way. Half of that is
> >>> on the highway - obviously not for long.  Then relatively short trips
> >>> on the weekend. occasionally we drive long distances over a weekend
> 600
> >>> miles or so maybe every few months.
> >>>
> >>> So, if I want a fuel efficient MB diesel that doesn’t have to be
> driven
> >>> 30 minutes at a time, should I be focused on 124 and 210 with the 602,
> >>> 603, and 606?
> >>>
> >>> What was the six cylinder non-turbo that was in the 124 and 210? I
> >>> remember hearing great things about those.
> >>>
> >>> Donald H. Snook
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

You're thinking backwards, the more people driving EVs means more petroleum for 
us...
Curt

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  On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 3:30 PM, Dimitri Seretakis 
wrote:   EVs are for pussies!

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 6-8 mile commutes are where an EV excels. Electric heat means the cabin is 
> warm quickly and you don't need to worry about range.
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 11:31 AM, Allan Streib via 
>Mercedes wrote:  As I understand it, the important 
>thing with Blue Tec is that the DPF "regeneration" cycle needs time to 
>complete. If it's frequently interrupted, you eventually have problems. I 
>don't know how long a cycle takes, or if 6-8 miles of driving is enough time. 
>Kevin posted a writeup a while back on someone's woes with Bluetec.
> 
> It's not great for any car, gas or diesel, to not get fully warmed up. You 
> really want to get the engine oil and exhaust fully warm to drive out 
> moisture. That said, a 6-8 miles drive twice daily is probably OK especially 
> if some of it is at highway speeds and you're doing occasional longer drives. 
> You might be better off with a gasser though, or (heaven forbid) even an EV 
> for a commute that short.
> 
> 
>> On Thu, May 26, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
>> I have been out of the MB diesel game for too long and can’t keep up on 
>> the nomenclature and which ones to avoid. 
>> 
>> If I was looking for a Mercedes diesel that would get 30+ mpg and is 
>> pretty reliable which would I look for? 
>> 
>> I know the 124 diesel with the 2.5 (602?) is great.  And the 603 is 
>> very good too. (Right?) 
>> 
>> The 606 in the 124 and 210 is also good? 
>> 
>> Then, the CDI started and the Black Death is a big concern and the blue 
>> tec is next.  Someone mentioned the other day that bluetec has its own 
>> issues — most notably it is not good for relatively short drives like a 
>> 10 minute commute.  It really needs to be driven for a while to get 
>> everything heated up and working.  
>> 
>> My cars now get driven to work only 6-8 miles one way. Half of that is 
>> on the highway - obviously not for long.  Then relatively short trips 
>> on the weekend. occasionally we drive long distances over a weekend 600 
>> miles or so maybe every few months.  
>> 
>> So, if I want a fuel efficient MB diesel that doesn’t have to be driven 
>> 30 minutes at a time, should I be focused on 124 and 210 with the 602, 
>> 603, and 606? 
>> 
>> What was the six cylinder non-turbo that was in the 124 and 210? I 
>> remember hearing great things about those. 
>> 
>> Donald H. Snook
>> 
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[MBZ] Blew a bag Whatsup - 2006 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 350 Wagon 4D, $2, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Rear bags are nothing to deal with, I'd be more worried about the 350.  
Car otherwise looks pretty nice but it made 175kmi


Blew the rear bags and stopped driving it, needs a couple coil packs and 
a sensor or 2, car runs and drives just on the rough side.


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Re: [MBZ] Doesn't look bad, 4spd? 1975 Mercedes-Benz 240 d,$2,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Odometer most likely rolled over at least once.


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[MBZ] 1958 Mercedes-Benz 220s,$5,000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Surface rust but looks complete

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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

It sounds like you'd be better served with a gas car. With the cost of diesel 
recently and the fact that you're going to short drive it you'll carbon up a 
60x engine. Get a V8 and enjoy it.
Curt

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  On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 11:00 AM, Donald Snook via 
Mercedes wrote:   I have been out of the MB diesel game 
for too long and can’t keep up on the nomenclature and which ones to avoid. 

If I was looking for a Mercedes diesel that would get 30+ mpg and is pretty 
reliable which would I look for? 

I know the 124 diesel with the 2.5 (602?) is great.  And the 603 is very good 
too. (Right?) 

The 606 in the 124 and 210 is also good? 

Then, the CDI started and the Black Death is a big concern and the blue tec is 
next.  Someone mentioned the other day that bluetec has its own issues — most 
notably it is not good for relatively short drives like a 10 minute commute.  
It really needs to be driven for a while to get everything heated up and 
working.  

My cars now get driven to work only 6-8 miles one way. Half of that is on the 
highway - obviously not for long.  Then relatively short trips on the weekend. 
occasionally we drive long distances over a weekend 600 miles or so maybe every 
few months.  

So, if I want a fuel efficient MB diesel that doesn’t have to be driven 30 
minutes at a time, should I be focused on 124 and 210 with the 602, 603, and 
606? 

What was the six cylinder non-turbo that was in the 124 and 210? I remember 
hearing great things about those. 

Donald H. Snook


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[MBZ] Doesn't look bad, 4spd? 1975 Mercedes-Benz 240 d,$2,000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/495802569001484

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[MBZ] Price is firm. Huge amount of interest. 2001 Mercedes-Benz cl-class, $3, 500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Car is a mess but interior looks OK.  Might be worth half that.

Not interested in lower offers.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1077918316266390

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[MBZ] Fwd: 1983 MERCEDES 380 SL

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

-- Forwarded message -
From: Frederick Moir 
Date: Thu, May 26, 2022 at 4:35 PM
Subject: 1983 MERCEDES 380 SL
To: Frederick Moir 


https://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/pts/d/woburn-1983-mercedes-380-sl/7483995542.html

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Lynn MA
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[MBZ] What's going on here -- Mercedes benz clk 550 - $3, 000 (Huntersville)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Some significant body damage? Crashed?

https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/d/huntersville-mercedes-benz-clk-550/7488649604.html

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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

What is appalling is the number of people (and I use the term loosely)
who think that batteries and hydrogen are energy _sources_!

Leaving out cosmological-scale quibbling, there are only
three primary energy sources:

Solar (PV/heating, wind, hydroelectric, biomass, fossil fuel, OTEC)
Kinetic (tidal, geothermal?)
Nuclear (fission, fusion, geothermal?)

Everything else is just a derivative of one of these, on varying time scales.
Even nuclear you can argue is just some _other_ sun, or micro-sun, at work,
at some point in time!

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Re: [MBZ] Gas Prices

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2022-05-26 15:45, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
The biggest loss leader at the local Costco is maple syrup.  $2/qt. 
cheaper

than Trader Joe's.


Seems like I paid in the low 30s for a liter of Canadian stuff last 
December.
That stuff may well have come from the Strategic Maploleum Reserve 
caverns.


I saw syrup there today but didn't check for a price.
Gas is 4.499 regular, 4.999 premium. I bought regular at Marathon for 
4.499-.05 instead.


BTW, it's Groupon days again.
I bought a $60 membership coupon from Groupon for...$60.
Took it to the store, where the friendly young lady upsold me to 
Executive for another $60 (supposed to get a 2% rebate at year end with 
a $60 floor so I get that extra $60 back).
Signed up for the Citi Visa card, another $50 if and only if you're an 
Executive Club Member.


The Groupon gets me a $40 shop card and $40 off on a $250 online order, 
if I sign up for auto-renew (which I always cancel after I get my $40 
shop card). Only works if you haven't been a member in 2022. My 
membership expired in September so I'm all set there.


https://www.groupon.com/deals/n-costco-membership-2022


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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I read an article recently about the massive amount of diesel fuel burned to 
run the equipment to mine the minerals to make 1 EV battery. Not to mention the 
soil that must be moved. For the last 30 or 40 years they should have developed 
more nuclear power and figured out something else besides electric battery 
powered cars. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2022, at 2:31 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> EVs are for pussies!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 26, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 6-8 mile commutes are where an EV excels. Electric heat means the cabin is 
>> warm quickly and you don't need to worry about range.
>> Curt
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> 
>> On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 11:31 AM, Allan Streib via 
>> Mercedes wrote:   As I understand it, the important 
>> thing with Blue Tec is that the DPF "regeneration" cycle needs time to 
>> complete. If it's frequently interrupted, you eventually have problems. I 
>> don't know how long a cycle takes, or if 6-8 miles of driving is enough 
>> time. Kevin posted a writeup a while back on someone's woes with Bluetec.
>> 
>> It's not great for any car, gas or diesel, to not get fully warmed up. You 
>> really want to get the engine oil and exhaust fully warm to drive out 
>> moisture. That said, a 6-8 miles drive twice daily is probably OK especially 
>> if some of it is at highway speeds and you're doing occasional longer 
>> drives. You might be better off with a gasser though, or (heaven forbid) 
>> even an EV for a commute that short.
>> 
>> 
 On Thu, May 26, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I have been out of the MB diesel game for too long and can’t keep up on 
>>> the nomenclature and which ones to avoid. 
>>> 
>>> If I was looking for a Mercedes diesel that would get 30+ mpg and is 
>>> pretty reliable which would I look for? 
>>> 
>>> I know the 124 diesel with the 2.5 (602?) is great.  And the 603 is 
>>> very good too. (Right?) 
>>> 
>>> The 606 in the 124 and 210 is also good? 
>>> 
>>> Then, the CDI started and the Black Death is a big concern and the blue 
>>> tec is next.  Someone mentioned the other day that bluetec has its own 
>>> issues — most notably it is not good for relatively short drives like a 
>>> 10 minute commute.  It really needs to be driven for a while to get 
>>> everything heated up and working.  
>>> 
>>> My cars now get driven to work only 6-8 miles one way. Half of that is 
>>> on the highway - obviously not for long.  Then relatively short trips 
>>> on the weekend. occasionally we drive long distances over a weekend 600 
>>> miles or so maybe every few months.  
>>> 
>>> So, if I want a fuel efficient MB diesel that doesn’t have to be driven 
>>> 30 minutes at a time, should I be focused on 124 and 210 with the 602, 
>>> 603, and 606? 
>>> 
>>> What was the six cylinder non-turbo that was in the 124 and 210? I 
>>> remember hearing great things about those. 
>>> 
>>> Donald H. Snook
>>> 
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[MBZ] If you hit a side window with something really hard

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

very little energy is needed to break the window.

A 1/4oz piece of spark plug insulator tossed at the window, for 
example...


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Re: [MBZ] Gas Prices

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The biggest loss leader at the local Costco is maple syrup.  $2/qt. cheaper
than Trader Joe's.

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 3:02 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> We have both in Tampa, but only Sam’s in Flagstaff. And while I haven’t
> been a member of Sam’s in a lot of years, I was really impressed when I
> went through the one in Flagstaff. It’s almost a 100% clone of a Costco
> with Sam’s logo on everything. They have fresh meat and seafood counters,
> and the offerings are very high quality and fresh.
>
> The one drawback is their gas isn’t TopTier, but it’s about $0.50/gallon
> cheaper than the local Shell station I used to frequent, and that
> difference will cover numerous bottles of Techron to address the
> discrepancy.
>
> -D
>
> On May 25, 2022, at 6:40 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> I wish we had one here. We have Sam's Club, which is basically Walmart in
> larger quantities.
>
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> Oh Costco is a solid place. When I got those Michelin CrossClimate 2s for
> the Passat, they honored the slae they were having in March ($100+ back on
> a set of for or something like that) even tough I bought the tires on April
> 7th. Took $166 off the final price.
>
> Bless you, Costco.
>
> I love those CrossClimate 2s btw.
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows
>
> *From: *greg via Mercedes 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 25, 2022 3:16 PM
> *To: *Mercedes Discussion List 
> *Cc: *ml320@fiorentino.space
> *Subject: *Re: [MBZ] Gas Prices
>
>
> premium is $5.239 today at my Costco.
>
> OTOH, they rebated me $246 for a pair of my 4 year-old Michelins on their
> road hazard warranty. One tire damaged, had to replace 2.
>
> Greg
>
> Funny, it’s $4.35/gallon for unleaded at Sam’s Club in Flagstaff.
> Premium is $4.65.
>
> -D
>
> On May 24, 2022, at 8:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> Shot up to $5.16 in Phoenix over the last two days. Diesel is $5.49.
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 24, 2022, at 1:02 PM, dan penoff.com via
> Mercedes
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> For the most part, yes.
>
> I can’t imagine what it would be like if I was still commuting.
>
> -D
>
> On May 24, 2022, at 3:13 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> You work from home most days though, correct?
>
> If you think it's painful now, just wait
> Summer driving season is around the corner.
>
> Rationing might be too.
>
>
> Rick
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: May 24, 2022 2:01 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: [MBZ] Gas Prices
>
> $4.75/gallon for premium at Costco in Tampa. Filling the ML550. This
> is gonna be painful.
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Are Mahle/Behr parts still considered good?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Whenever I have a bum fan controller I always replace the fan as well. Yeah, it 
adds to the cost, but it’s a “belt and suspenders” sort of thing, especially 
when electronics are involved. If it was just a resistor you would know, 
because wires or connectors would be melting.

-D

> On May 26, 2022, at 3:38 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yep. According to the FCP website for the Mahle part:
> 
> SKU:
>MAH-ABR35000P 
> FCP Euro ID:
>26659 
> Made in:
>Germany 
> Quality:
>OE 
> 
> So maybe it was just a bad part, or maybe there's some other issue that 
> causing it to burn out. It's not a simple resistor pack, it's got some solid 
> state stuff as well. I'm just hesitant to spend the $110 difference it would 
> cost to get the Volvo part, when I could exchange what I bought for free.
> 
> It's just a bit of a PITA to change it out, so if I knew the Volvo part would 
> be better I'd be willing to pay for it.
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 26, 2022, at 2:27 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Depends. Even companies like Mahle are reboxing. Check the country of 
>> origin on the part or it’s box. FCP will list it, too, I believe.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 26, 2022, at 3:19 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Back in January I replaced the blower motor resistor on the XC90 after the 
>>> blower suddenly stopped working. That fixed the problem, but already it has 
>>> apparently failed again.
>>> 
>>> FCP Euro has the Genuine Volvo part for about 3x the price of the 
>>> Mahle/Behr part. They are willing to accept a return on the part I bought 
>>> and credit it towards the Genuine part. I'm just wondering if that will 
>>> likely be any better, or if it's just paying for the brand name Volvo on 
>>> the box?
>>> 
>>> I thought Mahle was pretty much OE quality stuff, but maybe they aren't 
>>> anymore? Anyone know?
>>> 
>>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Are Mahle/Behr parts still considered good?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I replaced the blower in January as well, so it's new. I didn't know if it was 
bad, but as long as I was doing the work to get it out, it seemed like a good 
idea to replace it.


On Thu, May 26, 2022, at 2:31 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
> When the first resistor went, one might wonder if the blower is drawing 
> excessive current.
>
> When the second resistor went, one might say it's surely the blower, 
> except in your case the resistor quality is suspect so we still can't be 
> sure.
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Re: [MBZ] Are Mahle/Behr parts still considered good?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Yep. According to the FCP website for the Mahle part:

SKU:
MAH-ABR35000P 
FCP Euro ID:
26659 
Made in:
Germany 
Quality:
OE 

So maybe it was just a bad part, or maybe there's some other issue that causing 
it to burn out. It's not a simple resistor pack, it's got some solid state 
stuff as well. I'm just hesitant to spend the $110 difference it would cost to 
get the Volvo part, when I could exchange what I bought for free.

It's just a bit of a PITA to change it out, so if I knew the Volvo part would 
be better I'd be willing to pay for it.


On Thu, May 26, 2022, at 2:27 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Depends. Even companies like Mahle are reboxing. Check the country of 
> origin on the part or it’s box. FCP will list it, too, I believe.
>
> -D
>
>
>> On May 26, 2022, at 3:19 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Back in January I replaced the blower motor resistor on the XC90 after the 
>> blower suddenly stopped working. That fixed the problem, but already it has 
>> apparently failed again.
>> 
>> FCP Euro has the Genuine Volvo part for about 3x the price of the Mahle/Behr 
>> part. They are willing to accept a return on the part I bought and credit it 
>> towards the Genuine part. I'm just wondering if that will likely be any 
>> better, or if it's just paying for the brand name Volvo on the box?
>> 
>> I thought Mahle was pretty much OE quality stuff, but maybe they aren't 
>> anymore? Anyone know?
>> 
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

A real man would walk. Uphill both ways.



-D

> On May 26, 2022, at 3:31 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> EVs are for pussies!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 26, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 6-8 mile commutes are where an EV excels. Electric heat means the cabin is 
>> warm quickly and you don't need to worry about range.
>> Curt
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> 
>> On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 11:31 AM, Allan Streib via 
>> Mercedes wrote:   As I understand it, the important 
>> thing with Blue Tec is that the DPF "regeneration" cycle needs time to 
>> complete. If it's frequently interrupted, you eventually have problems. I 
>> don't know how long a cycle takes, or if 6-8 miles of driving is enough 
>> time. Kevin posted a writeup a while back on someone's woes with Bluetec.
>> 
>> It's not great for any car, gas or diesel, to not get fully warmed up. You 
>> really want to get the engine oil and exhaust fully warm to drive out 
>> moisture. That said, a 6-8 miles drive twice daily is probably OK especially 
>> if some of it is at highway speeds and you're doing occasional longer 
>> drives. You might be better off with a gasser though, or (heaven forbid) 
>> even an EV for a commute that short.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, May 26, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I have been out of the MB diesel game for too long and can’t keep up on 
>>> the nomenclature and which ones to avoid. 
>>> 
>>> If I was looking for a Mercedes diesel that would get 30+ mpg and is 
>>> pretty reliable which would I look for? 
>>> 
>>> I know the 124 diesel with the 2.5 (602?) is great.  And the 603 is 
>>> very good too. (Right?) 
>>> 
>>> The 606 in the 124 and 210 is also good? 
>>> 
>>> Then, the CDI started and the Black Death is a big concern and the blue 
>>> tec is next.  Someone mentioned the other day that bluetec has its own 
>>> issues — most notably it is not good for relatively short drives like a 
>>> 10 minute commute.  It really needs to be driven for a while to get 
>>> everything heated up and working.  
>>> 
>>> My cars now get driven to work only 6-8 miles one way. Half of that is 
>>> on the highway - obviously not for long.  Then relatively short trips 
>>> on the weekend. occasionally we drive long distances over a weekend 600 
>>> miles or so maybe every few months.  
>>> 
>>> So, if I want a fuel efficient MB diesel that doesn’t have to be driven 
>>> 30 minutes at a time, should I be focused on 124 and 210 with the 602, 
>>> 603, and 606? 
>>> 
>>> What was the six cylinder non-turbo that was in the 124 and 210? I 
>>> remember hearing great things about those. 
>>> 
>>> Donald H. Snook
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

It really is an impressive engine. Efficient, powerful, durable.

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> On May 26, 2022, at 1:56 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> OM  602 is great. Dimitri now has my old w124. over 300k miles on orig.
> 
>> On Thu, May 26, 2022, 12:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 606, they are great
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 26, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have been out of the MB diesel game for too long and can’t keep up on
>> the nomenclature and which ones to avoid.
>>> 
>>> If I was looking for a Mercedes diesel that would get 30+ mpg and is
>> pretty reliable which would I look for?
>>> 
>>> I know the 124 diesel with the 2.5 (602?) is great.  And the 603 is very
>> good too. (Right?)
>>> 
>>> The 606 in the 124 and 210 is also good?
>>> 
>>> Then, the CDI started and the Black Death is a big concern and the blue
>> tec is next.  Someone mentioned the other day that bluetec has its own
>> issues — most notably it is not good for relatively short drives like a 10
>> minute commute.  It really needs to be driven for a while to get everything
>> heated up and working.
>>> 
>>> My cars now get driven to work only 6-8 miles one way. Half of that is
>> on the highway - obviously not for long.  Then relatively short trips on
>> the weekend. occasionally we drive long distances over a weekend 600 miles
>> or so maybe every few months.
>>> 
>>> So, if I want a fuel efficient MB diesel that doesn’t have to be driven
>> 30 minutes at a time, should I be focused on 124 and 210 with the 602, 603,
>> and 606?
>>> 
>>> What was the six cylinder non-turbo that was in the 124 and 210? I
>> remember hearing great things about those.
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

EVs are for pussies!

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> On May 26, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 6-8 mile commutes are where an EV excels. Electric heat means the cabin is 
> warm quickly and you don't need to worry about range.
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 11:31 AM, Allan Streib via 
> Mercedes wrote:   As I understand it, the important 
> thing with Blue Tec is that the DPF "regeneration" cycle needs time to 
> complete. If it's frequently interrupted, you eventually have problems. I 
> don't know how long a cycle takes, or if 6-8 miles of driving is enough time. 
> Kevin posted a writeup a while back on someone's woes with Bluetec.
> 
> It's not great for any car, gas or diesel, to not get fully warmed up. You 
> really want to get the engine oil and exhaust fully warm to drive out 
> moisture. That said, a 6-8 miles drive twice daily is probably OK especially 
> if some of it is at highway speeds and you're doing occasional longer drives. 
> You might be better off with a gasser though, or (heaven forbid) even an EV 
> for a commute that short.
> 
> 
>> On Thu, May 26, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
>> I have been out of the MB diesel game for too long and can’t keep up on 
>> the nomenclature and which ones to avoid. 
>> 
>> If I was looking for a Mercedes diesel that would get 30+ mpg and is 
>> pretty reliable which would I look for? 
>> 
>> I know the 124 diesel with the 2.5 (602?) is great.  And the 603 is 
>> very good too. (Right?) 
>> 
>> The 606 in the 124 and 210 is also good? 
>> 
>> Then, the CDI started and the Black Death is a big concern and the blue 
>> tec is next.  Someone mentioned the other day that bluetec has its own 
>> issues — most notably it is not good for relatively short drives like a 
>> 10 minute commute.  It really needs to be driven for a while to get 
>> everything heated up and working.  
>> 
>> My cars now get driven to work only 6-8 miles one way. Half of that is 
>> on the highway - obviously not for long.  Then relatively short trips 
>> on the weekend. occasionally we drive long distances over a weekend 600 
>> miles or so maybe every few months.  
>> 
>> So, if I want a fuel efficient MB diesel that doesn’t have to be driven 
>> 30 minutes at a time, should I be focused on 124 and 210 with the 602, 
>> 603, and 606? 
>> 
>> What was the six cylinder non-turbo that was in the 124 and 210? I 
>> remember hearing great things about those. 
>> 
>> Donald H. Snook
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Are Mahle/Behr parts still considered good?

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

When the first resistor went, one might wonder if the blower is drawing 
excessive current.


When the second resistor went, one might say it's surely the blower, 
except in your case the resistor quality is suspect so we still can't be 
sure.


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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Worse than rising gas prices is rising heating oil prices. I’m going to have 
real issues next winter at this rate.

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> On May 26, 2022, at 12:19 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> You might be better off with a gasser though, or (heaven forbid) even an EV 
>> for a commute that short.
> 
> A hybrid would be ideal. Lexus makes a hybrid as does Toyota (Prius). 
> Mercedes has had hybrids for several years also. Perhaps Jaime would know the 
> details of them. Of course the time to prepare for rising fuel prices is 
> BEFORE they go up. I won't discuss the impetus for the rising prices, that's 
> for another list. Rest assured they will continue to rise.
> 
> I suspect most people are not prepared for what's coming.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Are Mahle/Behr parts still considered good?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Depends. Even companies like Mahle are reboxing. Check the country of origin on 
the part or it’s box. FCP will list it, too, I believe.

-D


> On May 26, 2022, at 3:19 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Back in January I replaced the blower motor resistor on the XC90 after the 
> blower suddenly stopped working. That fixed the problem, but already it has 
> apparently failed again.
> 
> FCP Euro has the Genuine Volvo part for about 3x the price of the Mahle/Behr 
> part. They are willing to accept a return on the part I bought and credit it 
> towards the Genuine part. I'm just wondering if that will likely be any 
> better, or if it's just paying for the brand name Volvo on the box?
> 
> I thought Mahle was pretty much OE quality stuff, but maybe they aren't 
> anymore? Anyone know?
> 
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[MBZ] Are Mahle/Behr parts still considered good?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Back in January I replaced the blower motor resistor on the XC90 after the 
blower suddenly stopped working. That fixed the problem, but already it has 
apparently failed again.

FCP Euro has the Genuine Volvo part for about 3x the price of the Mahle/Behr 
part. They are willing to accept a return on the part I bought and credit it 
towards the Genuine part. I'm just wondering if that will likely be any better, 
or if it's just paying for the brand name Volvo on the box?

I thought Mahle was pretty much OE quality stuff, but maybe they aren't 
anymore? Anyone know?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

6-8 mile commutes are where an EV excels. Electric heat means the cabin is warm 
quickly and you don't need to worry about range.
Curt

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  On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 11:31 AM, Allan Streib via 
Mercedes wrote:   As I understand it, the important 
thing with Blue Tec is that the DPF "regeneration" cycle needs time to 
complete. If it's frequently interrupted, you eventually have problems. I don't 
know how long a cycle takes, or if 6-8 miles of driving is enough time. Kevin 
posted a writeup a while back on someone's woes with Bluetec.

It's not great for any car, gas or diesel, to not get fully warmed up. You 
really want to get the engine oil and exhaust fully warm to drive out moisture. 
That said, a 6-8 miles drive twice daily is probably OK especially if some of 
it is at highway speeds and you're doing occasional longer drives. You might be 
better off with a gasser though, or (heaven forbid) even an EV for a commute 
that short.


On Thu, May 26, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
> I have been out of the MB diesel game for too long and can’t keep up on 
> the nomenclature and which ones to avoid. 
>
> If I was looking for a Mercedes diesel that would get 30+ mpg and is 
> pretty reliable which would I look for? 
>
> I know the 124 diesel with the 2.5 (602?) is great.  And the 603 is 
> very good too. (Right?) 
>
> The 606 in the 124 and 210 is also good? 
>
> Then, the CDI started and the Black Death is a big concern and the blue 
> tec is next.  Someone mentioned the other day that bluetec has its own 
> issues — most notably it is not good for relatively short drives like a 
> 10 minute commute.  It really needs to be driven for a while to get 
> everything heated up and working.  
>
> My cars now get driven to work only 6-8 miles one way. Half of that is 
> on the highway - obviously not for long.  Then relatively short trips 
> on the weekend. occasionally we drive long distances over a weekend 600 
> miles or so maybe every few months.  
>
> So, if I want a fuel efficient MB diesel that doesn’t have to be driven 
> 30 minutes at a time, should I be focused on 124 and 210 with the 602, 
> 603, and 606? 
>
> What was the six cylinder non-turbo that was in the 124 and 210? I 
> remember hearing great things about those. 
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
>
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[MBZ] 1980 380SL and 1987 420SEL both together $3250

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Both pretty high miles, might be little more than parts.

https://dayton.craigslist.org/cto/d/saint-paris-convertible-and/7488539549.html

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Re: [MBZ] Truly only 34000 miles. Mercedes 300SD 1980 34000 k - $19, 000 (Apex)

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

And all the rubber will be dried out, too.

-D

> On May 26, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Odometer can't be trusted either unless there's supporting paperwork, 
> unlikely given that the VIN is too old to be tracked by Carfax et. al.
> 
> Not good for a car to sit for 20 years unless it's been properly prepped for 
> storage. It will have a lot of issues to sort out.
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 26, 2022, at 11:41 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Dealer plates. It’s a flip.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 26, 2022, at 12:27 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 26/05/2022 7:04 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
 https://raleigh.craigslist.org/ctd/d/apex-mercedes-300sd/7488232731.html
 
>>> So, what do you folks think about this?
>>> 
>>> I have no intention of buying it but I would love to have it. I like my old 
>>> W115 but I think I  would  like the larger car even more.
>>> 
>>> I wonder about it sitting for 20 years and I wonder why the most recent 
>>> owners have been so quick to try to resell it.
>>> 
>>> Are they just buying it for less and trying to make a profit?
>>> 
>>> Are they dreamers who thought they wanted an old Mercedes and discovered 
>>> that they missed all of the things that newer cars offer?
>>> 
>>> Or does it have issues that are undisclosed?
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Truly only 34000 miles. Mercedes 300SD 1980 34000 k - $19, 000 (Apex)

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Odometer can't be trusted either unless there's supporting paperwork, unlikely 
given that the VIN is too old to be tracked by Carfax et. al.

Not good for a car to sit for 20 years unless it's been properly prepped for 
storage. It will have a lot of issues to sort out.


On Thu, May 26, 2022, at 11:41 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Dealer plates. It’s a flip.
>
> -D
>
>
>> On May 26, 2022, at 12:27 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On 26/05/2022 7:04 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/ctd/d/apex-mercedes-300sd/7488232731.html
>>> 
>> So, what do you folks think about this?
>> 
>> I have no intention of buying it but I would love to have it. I like my old 
>> W115 but I think I  would  like the larger car even more.
>> 
>> I wonder about it sitting for 20 years and I wonder why the most recent 
>> owners have been so quick to try to resell it.
>> 
>> Are they just buying it for less and trying to make a profit?
>> 
>> Are they dreamers who thought they wanted an old Mercedes and discovered 
>> that they missed all of the things that newer cars offer?
>> 
>> Or does it have issues that are undisclosed?
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes rust 

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> On May 26, 2022, at 12:55 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The Turbo is harder to find. Kaleb says Turbo is even better.  
> 
> Are you say, Dan, NA is the way to go?  
> 
> So, if I find a 606, most of them are going to be in a 210.  The thing to 
> watch out for them is rust, right? 
> 
> Donald H. Snook
> 
> 
>> On May 26, 2022, at 10:27 AM, dan penoff.com  wrote:
>> 
>> If the 606 is the non-turbo, agreed.
>> 
>> As long as you’re not looking for performance, it will be the most efficient 
>> engine in the W124 diesels.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On May 26, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 606, they are great 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On May 26, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 I have been out of the MB diesel game for too long and can’t keep up on 
 the nomenclature and which ones to avoid. 
 
 If I was looking for a Mercedes diesel that would get 30+ mpg and is 
 pretty reliable which would I look for? 
 
 I know the 124 diesel with the 2.5 (602?) is great.  And the 603 is very 
 good too. (Right?) 
 
 The 606 in the 124 and 210 is also good? 
 
 Then, the CDI started and the Black Death is a big concern and the blue 
 tec is next.  Someone mentioned the other day that bluetec has its own 
 issues — most notably it is not good for relatively short drives like a 10 
 minute commute.  It really needs to be driven for a while to get 
 everything heated up and working.  
 
 My cars now get driven to work only 6-8 miles one way. Half of that is on 
 the highway - obviously not for long.  Then relatively short trips on the 
 weekend. occasionally we drive long distances over a weekend 600 miles or 
 so maybe every few months.  
 
 So, if I want a fuel efficient MB diesel that doesn’t have to be driven 30 
 minutes at a time, should I be focused on 124 and 210 with the 602, 603, 
 and 606? 
 
 What was the six cylinder non-turbo that was in the 124 and 210? I 
 remember hearing great things about those. 
 
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

It’s amazing how all this happens. 

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> On May 26, 2022, at 11:19 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> You might be better off with a gasser though, or (heaven forbid) even an EV 
>> for a commute that short.
> 
> A hybrid would be ideal. Lexus makes a hybrid as does Toyota (Prius). 
> Mercedes has had hybrids for several years also. Perhaps Jaime would know the 
> details of them. Of course the time to prepare for rising fuel prices is 
> BEFORE they go up. I won't discuss the impetus for the rising prices, that's 
> for another list. Rest assured they will continue to rise.
> 
> I suspect most people are not prepared for what's coming.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Morris Minor on BAT

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I am thinking of writing one of the world's shortest books. The title will
be "Things you don't learn on the diesel list."

On Thu, May 26, 2022, 1:01 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
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> Oh, the things you learn on here.
>
> AZBob
>
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> > On May 26, 2022, at 7:49 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> >
> > [picking self off the floor] I would never have pegged Grant Mann as a
> > Morris Minor type of guy.
> >
> >> On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 11:15 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
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> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, that brings back a lot of memories.
> >> Long ago, I started collecting a full set of Morris Minor cars. One of
> each
> >> model and variant and restored them all to "as new". At the peak of this
> >> OCD exercise I had 36. Sold them as a group and moved on to my next auto
> >> adventure. [not a complicated car, so once your skill set was honed and
> you
> >> had piles of spares {donor cars} a total rebuild did not take long.]
> >> Likely the most complex build/restoration was the woody wagon version,
> that
> >> required hand forming and fitting each wood piece. Very much on par with
> >> doing a classic wood boat as for effort and time.
> >> It looks like this convertible brought a handsome price.
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 9:57 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-morris-minor-6/
> >>>
> >>> I briefly owned a similar Morris Oxford sedan when I was in the Peace
> >> Corps
> >>> in the late 60s.  These were quite common as Fiji was a British colony
> at
> >>> the time.  A very basic car, commensurate with my salary of $82/month.
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I agree a Hybrid would potentially be a great solution. And I already started 
looking for a Lexus ES Hybrid.  I found one 2-3 months ago that I should have 
bought.  Now, the newer ones are priced as much as they were new. All hybrids 
are probably going to skyrocket. 

Donald H. Snook


> On May 26, 2022, at 11:18 AM, Rick Knoble  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> You might be better off with a gasser though, or (heaven forbid) even an EV 
>> for a commute that short.
> 
> A hybrid would be ideal. Lexus makes a hybrid as does Toyota (Prius). 
> Mercedes has had hybrids for several years also. Perhaps Jaime would know the 
> details of them. Of course the time to prepare for rising fuel prices is 
> BEFORE they go up. I won't discuss the impetus for the rising prices, that's 
> for another list. Rest assured they will continue to rise.
> 
> I suspect most people are not prepared for what's coming.
> 
> 
> Rick

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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

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OM  602 is great. Dimitri now has my old w124. over 300k miles on orig.

On Thu, May 26, 2022, 12:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 606, they are great
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 26, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have been out of the MB diesel game for too long and can’t keep up on
> the nomenclature and which ones to avoid.
> >
> > If I was looking for a Mercedes diesel that would get 30+ mpg and is
> pretty reliable which would I look for?
> >
> > I know the 124 diesel with the 2.5 (602?) is great.  And the 603 is very
> good too. (Right?)
> >
> > The 606 in the 124 and 210 is also good?
> >
> > Then, the CDI started and the Black Death is a big concern and the blue
> tec is next.  Someone mentioned the other day that bluetec has its own
> issues — most notably it is not good for relatively short drives like a 10
> minute commute.  It really needs to be driven for a while to get everything
> heated up and working.
> >
> > My cars now get driven to work only 6-8 miles one way. Half of that is
> on the highway - obviously not for long.  Then relatively short trips on
> the weekend. occasionally we drive long distances over a weekend 600 miles
> or so maybe every few months.
> >
> > So, if I want a fuel efficient MB diesel that doesn’t have to be driven
> 30 minutes at a time, should I be focused on 124 and 210 with the 602, 603,
> and 606?
> >
> > What was the six cylinder non-turbo that was in the 124 and 210? I
> remember hearing great things about those.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

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The Turbo is harder to find. Kaleb says Turbo is even better.  

Are you say, Dan, NA is the way to go?  

So, if I find a 606, most of them are going to be in a 210.  The thing to watch 
out for them is rust, right? 

Donald H. Snook


> On May 26, 2022, at 10:27 AM, dan penoff.com  wrote:
> 
> If the 606 is the non-turbo, agreed.
> 
> As long as you’re not looking for performance, it will be the most efficient 
> engine in the W124 diesels.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 26, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 606, they are great 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 26, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have been out of the MB diesel game for too long and can’t keep up on 
>>> the nomenclature and which ones to avoid. 
>>> 
>>> If I was looking for a Mercedes diesel that would get 30+ mpg and is pretty 
>>> reliable which would I look for? 
>>> 
>>> I know the 124 diesel with the 2.5 (602?) is great.  And the 603 is very 
>>> good too. (Right?) 
>>> 
>>> The 606 in the 124 and 210 is also good? 
>>> 
>>> Then, the CDI started and the Black Death is a big concern and the blue tec 
>>> is next.  Someone mentioned the other day that bluetec has its own issues — 
>>> most notably it is not good for relatively short drives like a 10 minute 
>>> commute.  It really needs to be driven for a while to get everything heated 
>>> up and working.  
>>> 
>>> My cars now get driven to work only 6-8 miles one way. Half of that is on 
>>> the highway - obviously not for long.  Then relatively short trips on the 
>>> weekend. occasionally we drive long distances over a weekend 600 miles or 
>>> so maybe every few months.  
>>> 
>>> So, if I want a fuel efficient MB diesel that doesn’t have to be driven 30 
>>> minutes at a time, should I be focused on 124 and 210 with the 602, 603, 
>>> and 606? 
>>> 
>>> What was the six cylinder non-turbo that was in the 124 and 210? I remember 
>>> hearing great things about those. 
>>> 
>>> Donald H. Snook
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Whoa

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Ouchies.

-D



> On May 26, 2022, at 11:44 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> Brought the 2 front tars from the E500 up to the shop to get new Michelins 
> put on. Guy comes out with one wheel that had a big dent and crack on the 
> inside. Ouch. Off to LKQ just up the road a bit see if they have one
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Truly only 34000 miles. Mercedes 300SD 1980 34000 k - $19, 000 (Apex)

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Dealer plates. It’s a flip.

-D


> On May 26, 2022, at 12:27 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 26/05/2022 7:04 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/ctd/d/apex-mercedes-300sd/7488232731.html
>> 
> So, what do you folks think about this?
> 
> I have no intention of buying it but I would love to have it. I like my old 
> W115 but I think I  would  like the larger car even more.
> 
> I wonder about it sitting for 20 years and I wonder why the most recent 
> owners have been so quick to try to resell it.
> 
> Are they just buying it for less and trying to make a profit?
> 
> Are they dreamers who thought they wanted an old Mercedes and discovered that 
> they missed all of the things that newer cars offer?
> 
> Or does it have issues that are undisclosed?
> 
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Truly only 34000 miles. Mercedes 300SD 1980 34000 k - $19, 000 (Apex)

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 26/05/2022 7:04 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

https://raleigh.craigslist.org/ctd/d/apex-mercedes-300sd/7488232731.html


So, what do you folks think about this?

I have no intention of buying it but I would love to have it. I like my 
old W115 but I think I  would  like the larger car even more.


I wonder about it sitting for 20 years and I wonder why the most recent 
owners have been so quick to try to resell it.


Are they just buying it for less and trying to make a profit?

Are they dreamers who thought they wanted an old Mercedes and discovered 
that they missed all of the things that newer cars offer?


Or does it have issues that are undisclosed?

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> You might be better off with a gasser though, or (heaven forbid) even an EV 
> for a commute that short.

A hybrid would be ideal. Lexus makes a hybrid as does Toyota (Prius). Mercedes 
has had hybrids for several years also. Perhaps Jaime would know the details of 
them. Of course the time to prepare for rising fuel prices is BEFORE they go 
up. I won't discuss the impetus for the rising prices, that's for another list. 
Rest assured they will continue to rise.

I suspect most people are not prepared for what's coming.


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Re: [MBZ] Morris Minor on BAT

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Oh, the things you learn on here. 

AZBob

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> On May 26, 2022, at 7:49 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> [picking self off the floor] I would never have pegged Grant Mann as a
> Morris Minor type of guy.
> 
>> On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 11:15 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, that brings back a lot of memories.
>> Long ago, I started collecting a full set of Morris Minor cars. One of each
>> model and variant and restored them all to "as new". At the peak of this
>> OCD exercise I had 36. Sold them as a group and moved on to my next auto
>> adventure. [not a complicated car, so once your skill set was honed and you
>> had piles of spares {donor cars} a total rebuild did not take long.]
>> Likely the most complex build/restoration was the woody wagon version, that
>> required hand forming and fitting each wood piece. Very much on par with
>> doing a classic wood boat as for effort and time.
>> It looks like this convertible brought a handsome price.
>> 
>> On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 9:57 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-morris-minor-6/
>>> 
>>> I briefly owned a similar Morris Oxford sedan when I was in the Peace
>> Corps
>>> in the late 60s.  These were quite common as Fiji was a British colony at
>>> the time.  A very basic car, commensurate with my salary of $82/month.
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[MBZ] Whoa

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Brought the 2 front tars from the E500 up to the shop to get new Michelins put 
on. Guy comes out with one wheel that had a big dent and crack on the inside. 
Ouch. Off to LKQ just up the road a bit see if they have one

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Re: [MBZ] Morris Minor on BAT

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You have to start somewhere --

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 9:49 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> [picking self off the floor] I would never have pegged Grant Mann as a
> Morris Minor type of guy.
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 11:15 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Well, that brings back a lot of memories.
> > Long ago, I started collecting a full set of Morris Minor cars. One of
> each
> > model and variant and restored them all to "as new". At the peak of this
> > OCD exercise I had 36. Sold them as a group and moved on to my next auto
> > adventure. [not a complicated car, so once your skill set was honed and
> you
> > had piles of spares {donor cars} a total rebuild did not take long.]
> > Likely the most complex build/restoration was the woody wagon version,
> that
> > required hand forming and fitting each wood piece. Very much on par with
> > doing a classic wood boat as for effort and time.
> > It looks like this convertible brought a handsome price.
> >
> > On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 9:57 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-morris-minor-6/
> > >
> > > I briefly owned a similar Morris Oxford sedan when I was in the Peace
> > Corps
> > > in the late 60s.  These were quite common as Fiji was a British colony
> at
> > > the time.  A very basic car, commensurate with my salary of $82/month.
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

The turbo 606 is even better 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2022, at 10:28 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If the 606 is the non-turbo, agreed.
> 
> As long as you’re not looking for performance, it will be the most efficient 
> engine in the W124 diesels.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 26, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 606, they are great 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 26, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have been out of the MB diesel game for too long and can’t keep up on 
>>> the nomenclature and which ones to avoid. 
>>> 
>>> If I was looking for a Mercedes diesel that would get 30+ mpg and is pretty 
>>> reliable which would I look for? 
>>> 
>>> I know the 124 diesel with the 2.5 (602?) is great.  And the 603 is very 
>>> good too. (Right?) 
>>> 
>>> The 606 in the 124 and 210 is also good? 
>>> 
>>> Then, the CDI started and the Black Death is a big concern and the blue tec 
>>> is next.  Someone mentioned the other day that bluetec has its own issues — 
>>> most notably it is not good for relatively short drives like a 10 minute 
>>> commute.  It really needs to be driven for a while to get everything heated 
>>> up and working.  
>>> 
>>> My cars now get driven to work only 6-8 miles one way. Half of that is on 
>>> the highway - obviously not for long.  Then relatively short trips on the 
>>> weekend. occasionally we drive long distances over a weekend 600 miles or 
>>> so maybe every few months.  
>>> 
>>> So, if I want a fuel efficient MB diesel that doesn’t have to be driven 30 
>>> minutes at a time, should I be focused on 124 and 210 with the 602, 603, 
>>> and 606? 
>>> 
>>> What was the six cylinder non-turbo that was in the 124 and 210? I remember 
>>> hearing great things about those. 
>>> 
>>> Donald H. Snook
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

As I understand it, the important thing with Blue Tec is that the DPF 
"regeneration" cycle needs time to complete. If it's frequently interrupted, 
you eventually have problems. I don't know how long a cycle takes, or if 6-8 
miles of driving is enough time. Kevin posted a writeup a while back on 
someone's woes with Bluetec.

It's not great for any car, gas or diesel, to not get fully warmed up. You 
really want to get the engine oil and exhaust fully warm to drive out moisture. 
That said, a 6-8 miles drive twice daily is probably OK especially if some of 
it is at highway speeds and you're doing occasional longer drives. You might be 
better off with a gasser though, or (heaven forbid) even an EV for a commute 
that short.


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> I have been out of the MB diesel game for too long and can’t keep up on 
> the nomenclature and which ones to avoid. 
>
> If I was looking for a Mercedes diesel that would get 30+ mpg and is 
> pretty reliable which would I look for? 
>
> I know the 124 diesel with the 2.5 (602?) is great.  And the 603 is 
> very good too. (Right?) 
>
> The 606 in the 124 and 210 is also good? 
>
> Then, the CDI started and the Black Death is a big concern and the blue 
> tec is next.  Someone mentioned the other day that bluetec has its own 
> issues — most notably it is not good for relatively short drives like a 
> 10 minute commute.  It really needs to be driven for a while to get 
> everything heated up and working.  
>
> My cars now get driven to work only 6-8 miles one way. Half of that is 
> on the highway - obviously not for long.  Then relatively short trips 
> on the weekend. occasionally we drive long distances over a weekend 600 
> miles or so maybe every few months.  
>
> So, if I want a fuel efficient MB diesel that doesn’t have to be driven 
> 30 minutes at a time, should I be focused on 124 and 210 with the 602, 
> 603, and 606? 
>
> What was the six cylinder non-turbo that was in the 124 and 210? I 
> remember hearing great things about those. 
>
> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

If the 606 is the non-turbo, agreed.

As long as you’re not looking for performance, it will be the most efficient 
engine in the W124 diesels.

-D

> On May 26, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 606, they are great 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 26, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have been out of the MB diesel game for too long and can’t keep up on the 
>> nomenclature and which ones to avoid. 
>> 
>> If I was looking for a Mercedes diesel that would get 30+ mpg and is pretty 
>> reliable which would I look for? 
>> 
>> I know the 124 diesel with the 2.5 (602?) is great.  And the 603 is very 
>> good too. (Right?) 
>> 
>> The 606 in the 124 and 210 is also good? 
>> 
>> Then, the CDI started and the Black Death is a big concern and the blue tec 
>> is next.  Someone mentioned the other day that bluetec has its own issues — 
>> most notably it is not good for relatively short drives like a 10 minute 
>> commute.  It really needs to be driven for a while to get everything heated 
>> up and working.  
>> 
>> My cars now get driven to work only 6-8 miles one way. Half of that is on 
>> the highway - obviously not for long.  Then relatively short trips on the 
>> weekend. occasionally we drive long distances over a weekend 600 miles or so 
>> maybe every few months.  
>> 
>> So, if I want a fuel efficient MB diesel that doesn’t have to be driven 30 
>> minutes at a time, should I be focused on 124 and 210 with the 602, 603, and 
>> 606? 
>> 
>> What was the six cylinder non-turbo that was in the 124 and 210? I remember 
>> hearing great things about those. 
>> 
>> Donald H. Snook
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

606, they are great 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have been out of the MB diesel game for too long and can’t keep up on the 
> nomenclature and which ones to avoid. 
> 
> If I was looking for a Mercedes diesel that would get 30+ mpg and is pretty 
> reliable which would I look for? 
> 
> I know the 124 diesel with the 2.5 (602?) is great.  And the 603 is very good 
> too. (Right?) 
> 
> The 606 in the 124 and 210 is also good? 
> 
> Then, the CDI started and the Black Death is a big concern and the blue tec 
> is next.  Someone mentioned the other day that bluetec has its own issues — 
> most notably it is not good for relatively short drives like a 10 minute 
> commute.  It really needs to be driven for a while to get everything heated 
> up and working.  
> 
> My cars now get driven to work only 6-8 miles one way. Half of that is on the 
> highway - obviously not for long.  Then relatively short trips on the 
> weekend. occasionally we drive long distances over a weekend 600 miles or so 
> maybe every few months.  
> 
> So, if I want a fuel efficient MB diesel that doesn’t have to be driven 30 
> minutes at a time, should I be focused on 124 and 210 with the 602, 603, and 
> 606? 
> 
> What was the six cylinder non-turbo that was in the 124 and 210? I remember 
> hearing great things about those. 
> 
> Donald H. Snook
> 
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[MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I have been out of the MB diesel game for too long and can’t keep up on the 
nomenclature and which ones to avoid. 

If I was looking for a Mercedes diesel that would get 30+ mpg and is pretty 
reliable which would I look for? 

I know the 124 diesel with the 2.5 (602?) is great.  And the 603 is very good 
too. (Right?) 

The 606 in the 124 and 210 is also good? 

Then, the CDI started and the Black Death is a big concern and the blue tec is 
next.  Someone mentioned the other day that bluetec has its own issues — most 
notably it is not good for relatively short drives like a 10 minute commute.  
It really needs to be driven for a while to get everything heated up and 
working.  

My cars now get driven to work only 6-8 miles one way. Half of that is on the 
highway - obviously not for long.  Then relatively short trips on the weekend. 
occasionally we drive long distances over a weekend 600 miles or so maybe every 
few months.  

So, if I want a fuel efficient MB diesel that doesn’t have to be driven 30 
minutes at a time, should I be focused on 124 and 210 with the 602, 603, and 
606? 

What was the six cylinder non-turbo that was in the 124 and 210? I remember 
hearing great things about those. 

Donald H. Snook


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Unrestored 1966 AMC Rambler Ambassador 880 - $16,500

[greg via Mercedes]

Back in '69-'70 I sold cars at a VW dealer. We had some interesting used
cars come in during the time I was there: a couple of XKEs, some muscle
cars like a chevy 409, GTOs. I drove a Fleetwood Broughm for a while. But
the ONLY car I remember the used car manager getting excited about was a
Rambler Ambassador. I knew nothing about it, but remember being puzzled. I
think we lost money on the Jags, which needed brake work.

Greg

> Vacuum operated, which was standard on Nash/AMC up to 64 or so.
> Definitely our 1960 Rambler had vacuum operated wipers.
>
> I didn’t know the V8 was available in the ’66, that was the smaller
> body version.  After 1968 they got larger and the 327 was not only a
> strong engine, but very reliable too.
>
> Always got a kick out of the Ambassador, and the fact that it had far
> better seats, better handling, better peformace, and better brakes than a
> Caddy.  No one would buy them, even though they were probably the deal of
> the century.  Why not get 25 mpg and a second or two faster in the quarter
> mile?
>
> My dad drove the AMX (I think that’s what it was) for a rental once,
> said it was a real road rocked.  That 327 would blow the doors off a
> Firebird or Camaro with a 455.  More horsepower, more torque, and I
> believe a higher rev limit.
>
> Sadly no one bought them.
>
>> On May 25, 2022, at 9:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Electric wipers!  What's the alternative?
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 6:14 PM mitch--- via Mercedes
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My folks traded a dark blue Falcon wagon in on an Ambassador sedan.
>>> Looked something like this:
>>>
>>> http://motorlandamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/1969+AMC+Ambassador+Web+1-1387605968-O.jpg
>>>
>>> Then, after buying a travel trailer and putting air bags in the rear
>>> coil springs of the Ambassador, dad traded it in on this, which hardly
>>> noticed the trailer:
>>>
>>> http://old.superscoutspecialists.com/store/images/Product/swatch/2236.jpg
>>>
>>> Yeah, my taste for unusual cars is hereditary.
>>>
>>> There's a red Travelall parked in a driveway, unmoving, about 5 miles
>>> from me. I like the idea of owning one, but know better than to think I
>>> really want to own one.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Unrestored 1966 AMC Rambler Ambassador 880 - $16,500

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Vacuum operated, which was standard on Nash/AMC up to 64 or so.  Definitely 
> our 1960 Rambler had vacuum operated wipers.

As does a '60 Falcon.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Morris Minor on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

[picking self off the floor] I would never have pegged Grant Mann as a
Morris Minor type of guy.

On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 11:15 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Well, that brings back a lot of memories.
> Long ago, I started collecting a full set of Morris Minor cars. One of each
> model and variant and restored them all to "as new". At the peak of this
> OCD exercise I had 36. Sold them as a group and moved on to my next auto
> adventure. [not a complicated car, so once your skill set was honed and you
> had piles of spares {donor cars} a total rebuild did not take long.]
> Likely the most complex build/restoration was the woody wagon version, that
> required hand forming and fitting each wood piece. Very much on par with
> doing a classic wood boat as for effort and time.
> It looks like this convertible brought a handsome price.
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 9:57 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-morris-minor-6/
> >
> > I briefly owned a similar Morris Oxford sedan when I was in the Peace
> Corps
> > in the late 60s.  These were quite common as Fiji was a British colony at
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[MBZ] Truly only 34000 miles. Mercedes 300SD 1980 34000 k - $19, 000 (Apex)

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https://raleigh.craigslist.org/ctd/d/apex-mercedes-300sd/7488232731.html

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