Re: [MBZ] Differentials

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I get it, I hate being stranded on the side of the road. Hopefully you're just 
having some bad luck. Of all the cars I see broken down on the shoulder, they 
are rarely Mercedes.


On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, at 21:48, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> Yeah I should think any competent shop could give it a go. But Herbert says
> the rebuilt ones tend to fail about as often as the junkyard ones do.
> Nobody seems to have the jig they used to determine the pinion position
> with the least whine, or maybe it was the shim thickness for the axle stub
> bearings that they would swap until it sounded good. Whereas Ford and GM
> and toyota diffs can be set up with some baby butt cream by just about
> anyone.
>
> If you hear anything promising I would definitely be interested in a
> reliable solution. Last night I thought maybe I should just work up a
> swappable toyota setup. Heresy I know. At least this junkyard has a
> warranty on diffs, so I can cycle through a few as long as they fail
> promptly.
>
> But really it is a reliability and utility thing. If I cant put my wife and
> kids in the car and tell them to head for Phoenix, a car isnt really worth
> the driveway space. This whole "nearly die getting rear ended by a semi
> because you are too stupid to drive a modern car" idea left a bad taste in
> my mouth. Wasted my whole day to boot and an expensive tow.
>
> New junkyard diff is in but abs light came on so I think it needs a sensor.
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, 1:55 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> You need to find a differential shop and send them over.
>>
>> Other than a major component, like a ring or pinion, I can’t imagine they
>> couldn’t rebuild them back to new.
>>
>> Let me ask around…
>>
>> -D
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On Jun 7, 2023, at 3:51 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > My 1987 300TD had a whine somewhere aft. So being a genius I replaced
>> the
>> > diff assembly, and it still whined.
>> > Center bearing, only six months old, was talking to me. Replaced it and
>> > viola quiet as can be.
>> > YMMV.
>> > Fred
>> >
>> >> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 3:16 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I had similar trouble with my '85 190D. It got very loud before I
>> replaced
>> >> it and the replacement was just as loud as that which I removed.
>> >>
>> >> The problem here would be, apparently, the fact that they're so good in
>> >> the first place. Remember we're talking about nearly 40 year old cars
>> here.
>> >> It's pretty unlikely a diff from an American or Japanese car of the same
>> >> vintage won't have had work done to it already. Nobody makes a rebuild
>> kit
>> >> because we've never needed a rebuild kit since they didn't fail in the
>> >> first 30 years.
>> >>
>> >> Seems like a business opportunity for somebody entrepreneurial which I'm
>> >> not...
>> >>
>> >> -Curt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 02:47:24 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via
>> Mercedes
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Has anyone else run into a serial differential swapping issue? I have
>> been
>> >> through about four differentials in the past year on the 300td and the
>> >> 560sel. Originals started whining so I thought I was doing a good thing
>> by
>> >> swapping, but then the replacement on the wagon seems to have blown a
>> seal
>> >> and is trying to seize up while the 560 locked up tight on the 405
>> >> yesterday leaving the car in the slow lane and me running upstream on
>> the
>> >> other side of the jersey wall frantically waving off traffic like that
>> guy
>> >> in Team America, just waiting for someone to plow into it until the chp
>> >> arrived to shut the whole freeway down. Total drag.
>> >>
>> >> I would happily put a new or factory rebuild in, but since they are nla
>> and
>> >> no one can figure out the rebuild, I guess its back to boneyard
>> roulette!
>> >>
>> >> I thought these things never went out, but as serious transportation
>> >> solution this is making my cars sort of a joke. Time for a Bolt or a
>> second
>> >> Lexus or something I guess. My Dad has a pickup he has been trying to
>> get
>> >> me to drive, so maybe that is the answer. I have never experienced this
>> >> problem before, but there doesnt seem to be a reliable solution. I can
>> >> recall taking the diff out of our 55 convertible in the 1990s and
>> taking it
>> >> to the diff shop to get it rebuilt. Doesnt seem that hard. For some
>> reason
>> >> a mercedes diff is just a paperweight when it is worn out. Unbelievably
>> >> stupid engineering.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, 9:15 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/907861446943871/v
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> AZBob
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from Mail  for
>> >>> Windows
>> >>>
>> 

[MBZ] 2000 E320 wagon - 260k miles - $2,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Low budget seat covers and miles getting up there but have seen worse.

https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/nashville-2000-mercedes-station-wagon/7630074103.html
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[MBZ] 2001 ML320 - 107k miles - $1,950

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Doesn't look too awful if you're in the market for a beater ML.

https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/paoli-2001-mercedes-ml320-3rd-row-seats/7630018823.html


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Re: [MBZ] Differentials

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I have a 420SEL rear diff/axles but I think we are a continent apart so 
shipping might be spendy 

--FT
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> On Jun 7, 2023, at 10:49 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I should think any competent shop could give it a go. But Herbert says
> the rebuilt ones tend to fail about as often as the junkyard ones do.
> Nobody seems to have the jig they used to determine the pinion position
> with the least whine, or maybe it was the shim thickness for the axle stub
> bearings that they would swap until it sounded good. Whereas Ford and GM
> and toyota diffs can be set up with some baby butt cream by just about
> anyone.
> 
> If you hear anything promising I would definitely be interested in a
> reliable solution. Last night I thought maybe I should just work up a
> swappable toyota setup. Heresy I know. At least this junkyard has a
> warranty on diffs, so I can cycle through a few as long as they fail
> promptly.
> 
> But really it is a reliability and utility thing. If I cant put my wife and
> kids in the car and tell them to head for Phoenix, a car isnt really worth
> the driveway space. This whole "nearly die getting rear ended by a semi
> because you are too stupid to drive a modern car" idea left a bad taste in
> my mouth. Wasted my whole day to boot and an expensive tow.
> 
> New junkyard diff is in but abs light came on so I think it needs a sensor.
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, 1:55 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> You need to find a differential shop and send them over.
>> 
>> Other than a major component, like a ring or pinion, I can’t imagine they
>> couldn’t rebuild them back to new.
>> 
>> Let me ask around…
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2023, at 3:51 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My 1987 300TD had a whine somewhere aft. So being a genius I replaced
>> the
>>> diff assembly, and it still whined.
>>> Center bearing, only six months old, was talking to me. Replaced it and
>>> viola quiet as can be.
>>> YMMV.
>>> Fred
>>> 
 On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 3:16 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I had similar trouble with my '85 190D. It got very loud before I
>> replaced
 it and the replacement was just as loud as that which I removed.
 
 The problem here would be, apparently, the fact that they're so good in
 the first place. Remember we're talking about nearly 40 year old cars
>> here.
 It's pretty unlikely a diff from an American or Japanese car of the same
 vintage won't have had work done to it already. Nobody makes a rebuild
>> kit
 because we've never needed a rebuild kit since they didn't fail in the
 first 30 years.
 
 Seems like a business opportunity for somebody entrepreneurial which I'm
 not...
 
 -Curt
 
 
 
 On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 02:47:24 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via
>> Mercedes
  wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 Has anyone else run into a serial differential swapping issue? I have
>> been
 through about four differentials in the past year on the 300td and the
 560sel. Originals started whining so I thought I was doing a good thing
>> by
 swapping, but then the replacement on the wagon seems to have blown a
>> seal
 and is trying to seize up while the 560 locked up tight on the 405
 yesterday leaving the car in the slow lane and me running upstream on
>> the
 other side of the jersey wall frantically waving off traffic like that
>> guy
 in Team America, just waiting for someone to plow into it until the chp
 arrived to shut the whole freeway down. Total drag.
 
 I would happily put a new or factory rebuild in, but since they are nla
>> and
 no one can figure out the rebuild, I guess its back to boneyard
>> roulette!
 
 I thought these things never went out, but as serious transportation
 solution this is making my cars sort of a joke. Time for a Bolt or a
>> second
 Lexus or something I guess. My Dad has a pickup he has been trying to
>> get
 me to drive, so maybe that is the answer. I have never experienced this
 problem before, but there doesnt seem to be a reliable solution. I can
 recall taking the diff out of our 55 convertible in the 1990s and
>> taking it
 to the diff shop to get it rebuilt. Doesnt seem that hard. For some
>> reason
 a mercedes diff is just a paperweight when it is worn out. Unbelievably
 stupid engineering.
 
 On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, 9:15 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 wrote:
 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/907861446943871/v
> 
> 
> 
> AZBob
> 
> 
> 
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> Windows
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Re: [MBZ] Differentials

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yeah I should think any competent shop could give it a go. But Herbert says
the rebuilt ones tend to fail about as often as the junkyard ones do.
Nobody seems to have the jig they used to determine the pinion position
with the least whine, or maybe it was the shim thickness for the axle stub
bearings that they would swap until it sounded good. Whereas Ford and GM
and toyota diffs can be set up with some baby butt cream by just about
anyone.

If you hear anything promising I would definitely be interested in a
reliable solution. Last night I thought maybe I should just work up a
swappable toyota setup. Heresy I know. At least this junkyard has a
warranty on diffs, so I can cycle through a few as long as they fail
promptly.

But really it is a reliability and utility thing. If I cant put my wife and
kids in the car and tell them to head for Phoenix, a car isnt really worth
the driveway space. This whole "nearly die getting rear ended by a semi
because you are too stupid to drive a modern car" idea left a bad taste in
my mouth. Wasted my whole day to boot and an expensive tow.

New junkyard diff is in but abs light came on so I think it needs a sensor.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, 1:55 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You need to find a differential shop and send them over.
>
> Other than a major component, like a ring or pinion, I can’t imagine they
> couldn’t rebuild them back to new.
>
> Let me ask around…
>
> -D
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jun 7, 2023, at 3:51 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > My 1987 300TD had a whine somewhere aft. So being a genius I replaced
> the
> > diff assembly, and it still whined.
> > Center bearing, only six months old, was talking to me. Replaced it and
> > viola quiet as can be.
> > YMMV.
> > Fred
> >
> >> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 3:16 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I had similar trouble with my '85 190D. It got very loud before I
> replaced
> >> it and the replacement was just as loud as that which I removed.
> >>
> >> The problem here would be, apparently, the fact that they're so good in
> >> the first place. Remember we're talking about nearly 40 year old cars
> here.
> >> It's pretty unlikely a diff from an American or Japanese car of the same
> >> vintage won't have had work done to it already. Nobody makes a rebuild
> kit
> >> because we've never needed a rebuild kit since they didn't fail in the
> >> first 30 years.
> >>
> >> Seems like a business opportunity for somebody entrepreneurial which I'm
> >> not...
> >>
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 02:47:24 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via
> Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Has anyone else run into a serial differential swapping issue? I have
> been
> >> through about four differentials in the past year on the 300td and the
> >> 560sel. Originals started whining so I thought I was doing a good thing
> by
> >> swapping, but then the replacement on the wagon seems to have blown a
> seal
> >> and is trying to seize up while the 560 locked up tight on the 405
> >> yesterday leaving the car in the slow lane and me running upstream on
> the
> >> other side of the jersey wall frantically waving off traffic like that
> guy
> >> in Team America, just waiting for someone to plow into it until the chp
> >> arrived to shut the whole freeway down. Total drag.
> >>
> >> I would happily put a new or factory rebuild in, but since they are nla
> and
> >> no one can figure out the rebuild, I guess its back to boneyard
> roulette!
> >>
> >> I thought these things never went out, but as serious transportation
> >> solution this is making my cars sort of a joke. Time for a Bolt or a
> second
> >> Lexus or something I guess. My Dad has a pickup he has been trying to
> get
> >> me to drive, so maybe that is the answer. I have never experienced this
> >> problem before, but there doesnt seem to be a reliable solution. I can
> >> recall taking the diff out of our 55 convertible in the 1990s and
> taking it
> >> to the diff shop to get it rebuilt. Doesnt seem that hard. For some
> reason
> >> a mercedes diff is just a paperweight when it is worn out. Unbelievably
> >> stupid engineering.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, 9:15 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/907861446943871/v
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> AZBob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from Mail  for
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Re: [MBZ] Differentials

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yeah he has responded to my emails before. Usually telling me to contact
someone here in CA that I or my mechanic have already talked to. But it is
nice to triangulate.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, 2:30 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Contact Pierre Hedary and ask him.
>
> Randy
>
> On 07/06/2023 1:46 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Has anyone else run into a serial differential swapping issue? I have
> been
> > through about four differentials in the past year on the 300td and the
> > 560sel. Originals started whining so I thought I was doing a good thing
> by
> > swapping, but then the replacement on the wagon seems to have blown a
> seal
> > and is trying to seize up while the 560 locked up tight on the 405
> > yesterday leaving the car in the slow lane and me running upstream on the
> > other side of the jersey wall frantically waving off traffic like that
> guy
> > in Team America, just waiting for someone to plow into it until the chp
> > arrived to shut the whole freeway down. Total drag.
> >
> > I would happily put a new or factory rebuild in, but since they are nla
> and
> > no one can figure out the rebuild, I guess its back to boneyard roulette!
> >
> > I thought these things never went out, but as serious transportation
> > solution this is making my cars sort of a joke. Time for a Bolt or a
> second
> > Lexus or something I guess. My Dad has a pickup he has been trying to get
> > me to drive, so maybe that is the answer. I have never experienced this
> > problem before, but there doesnt seem to be a reliable solution. I can
> > recall taking the diff out of our 55 convertible in the 1990s and taking
> it
> > to the diff shop to get it rebuilt. Doesnt seem that hard. For some
> reason
> > a mercedes diff is just a paperweight when it is worn out. Unbelievably
> > stupid engineering.
> >
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Should Be an Easy Flip...

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I really like that 

--FT
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> On Jun 7, 2023, at 3:14 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I've seen that one listed before, with the same photos.
> 
> Quite certain that's a conversion, not a factory produced truck?
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, at 14:08, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/d/phoenix-1955-mercedes-benz-170-d-pickup/7624504706.html
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2009 Mercedes Benz, ML 500 AWD

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Fluid can leak from the pan gasket (if the pan itself is intact), cooler lines at the trans end or the cooler end, or the cooler itself. Not many other failure points. I’m thinking this probably uses the push-in connection with an o-ring and a clip so easy to deal with, mostly. First question would be where the leak is. I guess it could come from the input or output shafts too, or the torque converter but those are less probable failures.--FTSent from iFōnOn Jun 7, 2023, at 2:59 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  wrote:https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/chandler-2009-mercedes-benz-ml-500-awd/7629094793.htmlSent from Mail for Windows Maybe an easy fix for someone? AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] Differentials

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Contact Pierre Hedary and ask him.

Randy

On 07/06/2023 1:46 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Has anyone else run into a serial differential swapping issue? I have been
through about four differentials in the past year on the 300td and the
560sel. Originals started whining so I thought I was doing a good thing by
swapping, but then the replacement on the wagon seems to have blown a seal
and is trying to seize up while the 560 locked up tight on the 405
yesterday leaving the car in the slow lane and me running upstream on the
other side of the jersey wall frantically waving off traffic like that guy
in Team America, just waiting for someone to plow into it until the chp
arrived to shut the whole freeway down. Total drag.

I would happily put a new or factory rebuild in, but since they are nla and
no one can figure out the rebuild, I guess its back to boneyard roulette!

I thought these things never went out, but as serious transportation
solution this is making my cars sort of a joke. Time for a Bolt or a second
Lexus or something I guess. My Dad has a pickup he has been trying to get
me to drive, so maybe that is the answer. I have never experienced this
problem before, but there doesnt seem to be a reliable solution. I can
recall taking the diff out of our 55 convertible in the 1990s and taking it
to the diff shop to get it rebuilt. Doesnt seem that hard. For some reason
a mercedes diff is just a paperweight when it is worn out. Unbelievably
stupid engineering.




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Re: [MBZ] Differentials

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You need to find a differential shop and send them over.

Other than a major component, like a ring or pinion, I can’t imagine they 
couldn’t rebuild them back to new.

Let me ask around…

-D

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 7, 2023, at 3:51 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My 1987 300TD had a whine somewhere aft. So being a genius I replaced the
> diff assembly, and it still whined.
> Center bearing, only six months old, was talking to me. Replaced it and
> viola quiet as can be.
> YMMV.
> Fred
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 3:16 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I had similar trouble with my '85 190D. It got very loud before I replaced
>> it and the replacement was just as loud as that which I removed.
>> 
>> The problem here would be, apparently, the fact that they're so good in
>> the first place. Remember we're talking about nearly 40 year old cars here.
>> It's pretty unlikely a diff from an American or Japanese car of the same
>> vintage won't have had work done to it already. Nobody makes a rebuild kit
>> because we've never needed a rebuild kit since they didn't fail in the
>> first 30 years.
>> 
>> Seems like a business opportunity for somebody entrepreneurial which I'm
>> not...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 02:47:24 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Has anyone else run into a serial differential swapping issue? I have been
>> through about four differentials in the past year on the 300td and the
>> 560sel. Originals started whining so I thought I was doing a good thing by
>> swapping, but then the replacement on the wagon seems to have blown a seal
>> and is trying to seize up while the 560 locked up tight on the 405
>> yesterday leaving the car in the slow lane and me running upstream on the
>> other side of the jersey wall frantically waving off traffic like that guy
>> in Team America, just waiting for someone to plow into it until the chp
>> arrived to shut the whole freeway down. Total drag.
>> 
>> I would happily put a new or factory rebuild in, but since they are nla and
>> no one can figure out the rebuild, I guess its back to boneyard roulette!
>> 
>> I thought these things never went out, but as serious transportation
>> solution this is making my cars sort of a joke. Time for a Bolt or a second
>> Lexus or something I guess. My Dad has a pickup he has been trying to get
>> me to drive, so maybe that is the answer. I have never experienced this
>> problem before, but there doesnt seem to be a reliable solution. I can
>> recall taking the diff out of our 55 convertible in the 1990s and taking it
>> to the diff shop to get it rebuilt. Doesnt seem that hard. For some reason
>> a mercedes diff is just a paperweight when it is worn out. Unbelievably
>> stupid engineering.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, 9:15 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/907861446943871/v
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2009 Mercedes Benz, ML 500 AWD

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Possibly.

A leak that bad is probably a cooler line if you’re lucky. I’m not sure a front 
pump seal would leak as badly as described.

-D


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https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/chandler-2009-mercedes-benz-ml-500-awd/7629094793.html
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Maybe an easy fix for someone?

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Re: [MBZ] Differentials

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

My 1987 300TD had a whine somewhere aft. So being a genius I replaced the
diff assembly, and it still whined.
Center bearing, only six months old, was talking to me. Replaced it and
viola quiet as can be.
YMMV.
Fred

On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 3:16 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> I had similar trouble with my '85 190D. It got very loud before I replaced
> it and the replacement was just as loud as that which I removed.
>
> The problem here would be, apparently, the fact that they're so good in
> the first place. Remember we're talking about nearly 40 year old cars here.
> It's pretty unlikely a diff from an American or Japanese car of the same
> vintage won't have had work done to it already. Nobody makes a rebuild kit
> because we've never needed a rebuild kit since they didn't fail in the
> first 30 years.
>
> Seems like a business opportunity for somebody entrepreneurial which I'm
> not...
>
> -Curt
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 02:47:24 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Has anyone else run into a serial differential swapping issue? I have been
> through about four differentials in the past year on the 300td and the
> 560sel. Originals started whining so I thought I was doing a good thing by
> swapping, but then the replacement on the wagon seems to have blown a seal
> and is trying to seize up while the 560 locked up tight on the 405
> yesterday leaving the car in the slow lane and me running upstream on the
> other side of the jersey wall frantically waving off traffic like that guy
> in Team America, just waiting for someone to plow into it until the chp
> arrived to shut the whole freeway down. Total drag.
>
> I would happily put a new or factory rebuild in, but since they are nla and
> no one can figure out the rebuild, I guess its back to boneyard roulette!
>
> I thought these things never went out, but as serious transportation
> solution this is making my cars sort of a joke. Time for a Bolt or a second
> Lexus or something I guess. My Dad has a pickup he has been trying to get
> me to drive, so maybe that is the answer. I have never experienced this
> problem before, but there doesnt seem to be a reliable solution. I can
> recall taking the diff out of our 55 convertible in the 1990s and taking it
> to the diff shop to get it rebuilt. Doesnt seem that hard. For some reason
> a mercedes diff is just a paperweight when it is worn out. Unbelievably
> stupid engineering.
>
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[MBZ] O.T. Zuffenhausen/Osnabruck Crack in my 'hood

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https://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/cto/d/goodyear-porsche/7622280949.htmlSent from Mail for Windows I’ve seen that in the wild and, while it is nice, I’m not sure it’s its asking nice, unless I am out of touch with 914 values.  AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] Differentials

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I had similar trouble with my '85 190D. It got very loud before I replaced it 
and the replacement was just as loud as that which I removed.

The problem here would be, apparently, the fact that they're so good in the 
first place. Remember we're talking about nearly 40 year old cars here. It's 
pretty unlikely a diff from an American or Japanese car of the same vintage 
won't have had work done to it already. Nobody makes a rebuild kit because 
we've never needed a rebuild kit since they didn't fail in the first 30 years.

Seems like a business opportunity for somebody entrepreneurial which I'm not...

-Curt



On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 02:47:24 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Has anyone else run into a serial differential swapping issue? I have been
through about four differentials in the past year on the 300td and the
560sel. Originals started whining so I thought I was doing a good thing by
swapping, but then the replacement on the wagon seems to have blown a seal
and is trying to seize up while the 560 locked up tight on the 405
yesterday leaving the car in the slow lane and me running upstream on the
other side of the jersey wall frantically waving off traffic like that guy
in Team America, just waiting for someone to plow into it until the chp
arrived to shut the whole freeway down. Total drag.

I would happily put a new or factory rebuild in, but since they are nla and
no one can figure out the rebuild, I guess its back to boneyard roulette!

I thought these things never went out, but as serious transportation
solution this is making my cars sort of a joke. Time for a Bolt or a second
Lexus or something I guess. My Dad has a pickup he has been trying to get
me to drive, so maybe that is the answer. I have never experienced this
problem before, but there doesnt seem to be a reliable solution. I can
recall taking the diff out of our 55 convertible in the 1990s and taking it
to the diff shop to get it rebuilt. Doesnt seem that hard. For some reason
a mercedes diff is just a paperweight when it is worn out. Unbelievably
stupid engineering.

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Re: [MBZ] Should Be an Easy Flip...

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I've seen that one listed before, with the same photos.

Quite certain that's a conversion, not a factory produced truck?


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[MBZ] Should Be an Easy Flip...

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https://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/d/phoenix-1955-mercedes-benz-170-d-pickup/7624504706.html  AZBob

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[MBZ] 2009 Mercedes Benz, ML 500 AWD

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https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/chandler-2009-mercedes-benz-ml-500-awd/7629094793.htmlSent from Mail for Windows Maybe an easy fix for someone? AZBob

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[MBZ] Differentials

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Has anyone else run into a serial differential swapping issue? I have been
through about four differentials in the past year on the 300td and the
560sel. Originals started whining so I thought I was doing a good thing by
swapping, but then the replacement on the wagon seems to have blown a seal
and is trying to seize up while the 560 locked up tight on the 405
yesterday leaving the car in the slow lane and me running upstream on the
other side of the jersey wall frantically waving off traffic like that guy
in Team America, just waiting for someone to plow into it until the chp
arrived to shut the whole freeway down. Total drag.

I would happily put a new or factory rebuild in, but since they are nla and
no one can figure out the rebuild, I guess its back to boneyard roulette!

I thought these things never went out, but as serious transportation
solution this is making my cars sort of a joke. Time for a Bolt or a second
Lexus or something I guess. My Dad has a pickup he has been trying to get
me to drive, so maybe that is the answer. I have never experienced this
problem before, but there doesnt seem to be a reliable solution. I can
recall taking the diff out of our 55 convertible in the 1990s and taking it
to the diff shop to get it rebuilt. Doesnt seem that hard. For some reason
a mercedes diff is just a paperweight when it is worn out. Unbelievably
stupid engineering.

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Re: [MBZ] Looks very nice but kinda weird -- 1974 Mercedes 450 SL - $12, 500 (Kernersville)

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Like holes in the fuel tank?

-D


> On Jun 7, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
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>> 
>> https://winstonsalem.craigslist.org/cto/d/kernersville-1974-mercedes-450-sl/7629782645.html
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Re: [MBZ] 2009 S550 4matic - 125k miles - $9,000

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I think maybe it's just "Don't Forget Your Key"

On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, at 10:17, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> Looks like some kind of warning on the dash, lo-res photos can't make it out.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Looks very nice but kinda weird -- 1974 Mercedes 450 SL - $12, 500 (Kernersville)

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I think I had that same unit in my '85 190D. I wonder what I did with it when I 
scrapped the car.

Compared to a lot of modern head units it's pretty understated...

-Curt


On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 11:54:59 AM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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That Kenwood unit is just wrong for that car. No two ways about it.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, at 10:49, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
>> https://winstonsalem.craigslist.org/cto/d/kernersville-1974-mercedes-450-sl/7629782645.html
>
> Good-looking early SL, but missing picture of the bucket area to show
> what the aftermarket speaker installation might have done.
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[MBZ] A ML430

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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/781821376608379/ Approaching beaterdom.  AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows 

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[MBZ] Anyone Need a Beater?

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Re: [MBZ] Looks very nice but kinda weird -- 1974 Mercedes 450 SL - $12, 500 (Kernersville)

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That Kenwood unit is just wrong for that car. No two ways about it.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, at 10:49, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
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>
> Good-looking early SL, but missing picture of the bucket area to show
> what the aftermarket speaker installation might have done.
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Re: [MBZ] Looks very nice but kinda weird -- 1974 Mercedes 450 SL - $12, 500 (Kernersville)

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> https://winstonsalem.craigslist.org/cto/d/kernersville-1974-mercedes-450-sl/7629782645.html

Good-looking early SL, but missing picture of the bucket area to show
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[MBZ] 2009 S550 4matic - 125k miles - $9,000

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Looks like some kind of warning on the dash, lo-res photos can't make it out.

https://toledo.craigslist.org/cto/d/toledo-mercedes-benz/7629799242.html
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[MBZ] 1990 300SE - 228k miles - $8,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Looks pretty nice, seems to have had a lot of upkeep, except I think the chrome 
wheels look wrong. Looks like a spot of rust under the front left turn signal. 
No interior photos. Price optimistic.

https://mattoon.craigslist.org/cto/d/arthur-1990-mercedes-benz-se/7629838411.html
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Re: [MBZ] has the om617 motor with a hood stack 1985 Mercedes-Benz 300 sd Sedan 4D, $6, 500

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Might have once been worth $6, 500.00 Now worth $65.00.

Randy


On 07/06/2023 8:50 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

the car does leak oil (I have not seen a om617 that doesn’t)

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Too good to not share

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Imported from China?

Randy


On 06/06/2023 10:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Pioneering
Award winning
Homegrown.

What's not to like?

On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 7:16 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
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Just curious .. were those jars of sauce located next to the toilet paper,
or the fire extinguishers?

On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 3:38 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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I know the spelling isn't quite right but I spotted these at the grocery
the other day.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/3crTQKbgc3t8cHzW9

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[MBZ] Looks fairly nice -- 1994 Mercedes-Benz s-class S 350D Sedan 4D, $5, 500

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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/207157648880730

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[MBZ] was drivable until accident that happened 30yr ago. 1959 Mercedes S220, $1, 050

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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/6282935855129656

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[MBZ] has the om617 motor with a hood stack 1985 Mercedes-Benz 300 sd Sedan 4D, $6, 500

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the car does leak oil (I have not seen a om617 that doesn’t)

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/804127767763513

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[MBZ] 5.0l 302 swapped with 3 speed automatic. 1959 Mercedes-Benz 190 e 2.3 Sedan 4D, $2, 500

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Hasnbeen parked since getting hit in the back.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1287576425209746

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[MBZ] 72K original miles, 1979 Mercedes 450SLC, rare C107 body, 72K original miles true classic - $11, 900 (SE Charlotte)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

white/red

https://charlotte.craigslist.org/ctd/d/matthews-1979-mercedes-450slc-rare-c107/7629789579.html

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[MBZ] Looks very nice but kinda weird -- 1974 Mercedes 450 SL - $12, 500 (Kernersville)

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https://winstonsalem.craigslist.org/cto/d/kernersville-1974-mercedes-450-sl/7629782645.html

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