Re: [MBZ] Just bought a green 300TD

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There’s no way I could turn the John Deere over, for sure. That thing was cast 
out of a solid billet of iron, I believe.

Since I can’t ever seem to post images to the list, I’ll send it to you 
directly and you’re welcome to share if you like.

-D

> On Dec 5, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> My pedal tractor was an International Harvester.
> I was not the original owner, it was well worn, repainted, and the new paint 
> was worn when I got it.
> The chain derailed every 15 minutes it seemed like.
> Then I'd turn it upside down, borrow my dad's biggest screwdriver, and guide 
> the chain back on the front sprocket...
> 
> On 2020-12-05 14:15, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Dang it, I thought I had a picture of me with my Johnny Lightning
>> helmet that I got for Christmas in the mid 1960s. I was going to post
>> it. All I could find was a picture of me on a John Deere pedal tractor
>> from around 1964-5. I remember my Dad had a permanent deal with a
>> local welding shop who regularly welded up the rear axle on it when it
>> broke, which was pretty often for some reason.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Just bought a green 300TD

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Dang it, I thought I had a picture of me with my Johnny Lightning helmet that I 
got for Christmas in the mid 1960s. I was going to post it. All I could find 
was a picture of me on a John Deere pedal tractor from around 1964-5. I 
remember my Dad had a permanent deal with a local welding shop who regularly 
welded up the rear axle on it when it broke, which was pretty often for some 
reason.

-D

> On Dec 5, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> They say that there's nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes.
> But I doubt this one will bankrupt me.
> 
> 
> After accidentally stumbling on that one when I wasn't even looking, it just 
> caught my eye on an end aisle display,  I went looking. First store had 5 
> Audi wagons and one MBZ.
> Sifted through about 20 cars at Meijer, found several Subaru SVX before I 
> found something really special, #3 in the Off Road Collection (yes, I said 
> off road) a 1963 Austin-Healey 3000. I assume British Leyland no longer owns 
> Matchbox, for no Brit would call a Big Healey an ORV.
> 
> Now I have to go into every dollar store I see, looking for S123s.
> 
> While looking for Matchbox at Meijer, I found something truly unusual, Johnny 
> Lightning cars, including a Cheetah (for 6x the cost of Matchbox, back in the 
> 70s they were only 2x as expensive as Matchbox. This is interesting to me 
> because I got a Johnny Lightning track for Christmas when I was about 9, and 
> because I loved the Cheetah as much as I loved Big Healeys when I was a 
> little kid.
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Re: [MBZ] I can not believe how stupid people are

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

My brother has worked from home for a couple of decades. He has a dedicated 
room in the house that is for his office and nothing else. He didn’t even let 
the kids go in it when they were younger.

He was the one who enlightened me about the home office deduction.

-D

> On Dec 5, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I know someone who had a home office years ago. The IRS sent someone to 
> inspect it. They found one of his toddlers toys on the floor.
> 
> Rejected.
> 
> 
> Rick
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] I can not believe how stupid people are
> 
> As Mitch alludes to, the IRS requirements for office space at home are very, 
> very strict and difficult to comply with. You pretty much have to have a 
> dedicated space you do absolutely nothing else in the way of personal stuff 
> with or it doesn’t qualify, as I recall.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Decent 1999 Mercedes Benz E320 Wagon - $2, 000 (Germanton) 4Matic

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

As long as they’re not rusty. If the bottom of the car is clean they’re not bad 
to R If it’s rusty, be prepared for additional work in some cases.

-D

> On Dec 5, 2020, at 12:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If the bad air cells are the same same as in the 126 cars and 123/300TD
> wagons then this is neither expensive nor difficult to fix
> 
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 10:46 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> My daughter was thinking about a wagon, she is not far from WS, I might
>> send her over to take a look at it
>> 
>> -_FT
>> 
>> On 12/5/20 10:42 AM, Floyd Thursby wrote:
>>> Looks pretty good for the price, rear suspension needs fixing --
>>> accumulators?
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://winstonsalem.craigslist.org/ctd/d/germanton-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-wagon/7241524485.html
>>> 
>>> 
>> --
>> --FT
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I can not believe how stupid people are

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That and when they’ve griped about work paying for their Internet access, the 
counter is, “So you wouldn’t have it if you didn’t need to work at home?”

This is nickel and dime stuff by people who just want to gripe, in my opinion. 
When someone sits down with them and crunches the numbers, as a couple of 
managers have had to do, suddenly working from home looks far more attractive.

-D

> On Dec 5, 2020, at 11:30 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> We’ve heard some griping from employees about this, but that’s
>> countered with, “So how much money have you saved this year not having
>> to commute, buy lunch or work clothing?”
> 
> I suppose that is what the argument would be. Your commute is now
> virtual, like everything else. Commuting expenses have never been
> deductible either, though when I worked as a consultant we were allowed
> to turn in travel expenses that were "over and above" our normal home
> office commute, when we were at a client site.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] I can not believe how stupid people are

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

As Mitch alludes to, the IRS requirements for office space at home are very, 
very strict and difficult to comply with. You pretty much have to have a 
dedicated space you do absolutely nothing else in the way of personal stuff 
with or it doesn’t qualify, as I recall.

We’ve heard some griping from employees about this, but that’s countered with, 
“So how much money have you saved this year not having to commute, buy lunch or 
work clothing?”

Yeah. That shuts it down pretty quick.

It’s a big win as far as I’m concerned. I’ve saved a boatload of money just on 
commuting costs.

-D

> On Dec 5, 2020, at 8:13 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020-12-04 23:22, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> I'm wondering how this affects 2020 and future income taxes. In prior
>> years most people didn't have any consequential "home office" dedicated
>> space or supply expenses. This year, many more people will. I'm using my
>> personal living space, electricity, and internet connection to do work
>> for my employer every single workday since the end of March.
> 
> And even with dedicated space, there's no such things as form 2106 for 
> employee work expenses, except for certain performing artists, public 
> officials (you like how legislators exempted themselves, don't you?) etc. The 
> rest of us don't get any miscellaneous itemized deductions (the category work 
> expenses fell under) except for gambling losses.
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Re: [MBZ] I can not believe how stupid people are -- now remote work

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve heard that our certification authorities are doing stuff like this so they 
can still have people testing for certs. I’m curious as to how they do it…

-D

> On Dec 4, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The next thing is using the camera and screenshots to verify that you
> are sitting at the computer and actually working on work stuff. Similar
> stuff is being done for students taking online exams, to try to detect
> cheating.
> 
> Yeah I would not work under those conditions. Also since I use an
> obscure OS at home, none of that would work on my computer.
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Agreed.
>> 
>> Just as there are app developers out there who have come up with apps
>> that “twitch” your mouse every few minutes, too.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] I can not believe how stupid people are -- now remote work

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Agreed.

Just as there are app developers out there who have come up with apps that 
“twitch” your mouse every few minutes, too.

-D

> On Dec 4, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I've read about folks who have workstations that track active time, so if you 
> don't interact every 5 seconds or so it assumes you've left. Pretty good sign 
> it's time to get a new job...
> 
> Curt
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> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 2:28 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Our HR department was reaching out to find some sort of application or 
> logging method to track employee’s time via Active Directory or VPN access.
> 
> We pretty much told them “No” and explained that logging can’t be a means of 
> time racking, as it’s easy to spoof and doesn’t always relate directly to 
> specific operations or actions by a user.
> 
> For example, our Cisco VPN client regularly logs on and off in the background 
> as a normal part of it’s operation. So that’s a service function, not a user 
> one. Does it mean the user wasn’t working?
> 
> Slippery slope, for sure.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Dec 4, 2020, at 2:23 PM, Curt Raymond  > <mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > I keep a definite separation of church and state, 8 hours after I log in I 
> > log out and go do something else.
> > Or sometimes, like hunting season, I take a couple hours off to hunt and 
> > log back in after dark.
> > I think the hip and trendy term is "work/life balance".
> > 
> > Curt
> > 
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> > On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 2:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > This is a common finding in the research on remote workers who work from 
> > home. They typically put in more hours because there’s no disconnect 
> > between home and work. There can also be concerns that there is a 
> > perception that if they’re not producing they’re not working. This is also 
> > something that’s come up in research as well.
> > 
> > We’ve focused on task or project completion, not watching clocks, and that 
> > seems to work well. As my boss says, he doesn’t care where or how much you 
> > work as long as things get done and when expected.
> > 
> > -D
> > 
> > > On Dec 4, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  > > <mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com> <mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com 
> > > <mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > > 
> > > I was teleworking full time before I retired this summer and as you said, 
> > > missed the daily interactions with other humans.  I also found that 
> > > working from home meant LONGER hours, since I had no reason to log out 
> > > and there was always a new email to open, which often kept me well beyond 
> > > 8 hours.  
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 12:03 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> > > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> 
> > > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> > > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>>> wrote:
> > > I would agree with this. I have a team that I work with, two of which are 
> > > younger people about 20 years my junior, and one who is a few years older 
> > > than me. We all get along well and have a lot of common interests, so the 
> > > social interaction was definitely a part of the work day. I definitely 
> > > miss that aspect of work.
> > > 
> > > The other aspect that hasn’t been mentioned here is what I would describe 
> > > as a “separation of duties”, although that’s not the ideal description.
> > > 
> > > I’m talking about the distinct delineation of “work” versus “home”. That 
> > > is, when I leave work, I’m done for the day both mentally and physically. 
> > > That’s not the case when you’re working from home. This is probably the 
> > > big negative for m

Re: [MBZ] I can not believe how stupid people are -- now remote work

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Our HR department was reaching out to find some sort of application or logging 
method to track employee’s time via Active Directory or VPN access.

We pretty much told them “No” and explained that logging can’t be a means of 
time racking, as it’s easy to spoof and doesn’t always relate directly to 
specific operations or actions by a user.

For example, our Cisco VPN client regularly logs on and off in the background 
as a normal part of it’s operation. So that’s a service function, not a user 
one. Does it mean the user wasn’t working?

Slippery slope, for sure.

-D

> On Dec 4, 2020, at 2:23 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I keep a definite separation of church and state, 8 hours after I log in I 
> log out and go do something else.
> Or sometimes, like hunting season, I take a couple hours off to hunt and log 
> back in after dark.
> I think the hip and trendy term is "work/life balance".
> 
> Curt
> 
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> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 2:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> This is a common finding in the research on remote workers who work from 
> home. They typically put in more hours because there’s no disconnect between 
> home and work. There can also be concerns that there is a perception that if 
> they’re not producing they’re not working. This is also something that’s come 
> up in research as well.
> 
> We’ve focused on task or project completion, not watching clocks, and that 
> seems to work well. As my boss says, he doesn’t care where or how much you 
> work as long as things get done and when expected.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Dec 4, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  > <mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > I was teleworking full time before I retired this summer and as you said, 
> > missed the daily interactions with other humans.  I also found that working 
> > from home meant LONGER hours, since I had no reason to log out and there 
> > was always a new email to open, which often kept me well beyond 8 hours.  
> > 
> > On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 12:03 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>> wrote:
> > I would agree with this. I have a team that I work with, two of which are 
> > younger people about 20 years my junior, and one who is a few years older 
> > than me. We all get along well and have a lot of common interests, so the 
> > social interaction was definitely a part of the work day. I definitely miss 
> > that aspect of work.
> > 
> > The other aspect that hasn’t been mentioned here is what I would describe 
> > as a “separation of duties”, although that’s not the ideal description.
> > 
> > I’m talking about the distinct delineation of “work” versus “home”. That 
> > is, when I leave work, I’m done for the day both mentally and physically. 
> > That’s not the case when you’re working from home. This is probably the big 
> > negative for me when it comes to working from home. I like the physical 
> > separation between the two environments.
> > 
> > -D
> > 
> > > On Dec 4, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> > > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> > > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>> wrote:
> > > 
> > > I realized when I was at Lotus that I was working mostly with people who 
> > > were not in my office so it really didn't matter much where I was.  
> > > Instead of fighting traffic at 830 I would drop the kids at school, go 
> > > home and work for a coupla hours, make phone calls, emails, work on 
> > > computer stuff, whatever.  Then I would head into the office for the 
> > > afternoon and if I needed to meet with anyone I could do that.  I got 
> > > more done at home without the distractions, and dealing with colleagues 
> > > in England or Europe was fine from home.  It was a really nice sorta 
> > > hybrid scheme. Working always from home got to be old, even though I got 
> > > more done and it was relaxing and flexible, I missed the social 
> > > interactions, random drop-in discussions, and serendipitous ideas that 
> > > popped up being around other people and seeing them in the cafeteria or 
> > > hallways.  It was just easier in a lot of ways to get a job done being 
> > > around others, at least for some things.
> > > 
> > > IBM went to a remote work environment back 

Re: [MBZ] OT: $800 MacBook with iPhone CPU?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Hee. Having been a trainer, I can really relate to this.

-D

> On Dec 4, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I get one or two students in every class that dont listen and end up with no 
> GUI. "So it's like I told you..."
> 
> Curt
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>  wrote:
> I know, it’s just that I find it annoying. That and if you’re a relative 
> newbie and don’t know to avoid this during setup, you’re surprised by a 
> machine and interface you didn’t expect.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Dec 4, 2020, at 10:55 AM, Curt Raymond  > <mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > 16 and 19 both ask during install.
> > 
> > Curt
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> > On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 6:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > The thing I didn’t care for in the later Windows Server products was that 
> > the “base” install is a headless design, CLI only.
> > 
> > -D
> > 
> > > On Dec 3, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> > > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>> wrote:
> > > 
> > > For Windows 10 I've given up on using menus for anything. I just hit the 
> > > windows key and start typing what I want. I've gotta say its not so bad, 
> > > no searching through menus, just let Windows find it for me.
> > > Actually my favorite OS right now is Windows Server 2016, actually 2019 
> > > seems mostly the same from a UI perspective. Very old school look, 
> > > minimal GUI, more like WinXP than Win10. Much better than 2012 which was 
> > > like Win8. Too bad its very expensive although you could use the free 
> > > trial for half a year at a time.
> > > 
> > > -Curt
> > > 
> > >On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 3:57:21 PM EST, Mitch Haley via 
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> > > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>> wrote:  
> > > 
> > > On 2020-12-03 15:18, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> > >>  I never saw any benefit to those stupid boxes in Win10.
> > >> AND it's not worth my time to learn a new GUI every time some liberal 
> > >> arts
> > >> clown at Micro$oft has a wild hair.
> > > 
> > > Now that you mention it, I run everything at work off a Win10 Desktop 
> > > homescreen, except I have to hit
> > > some key combo like CTRL-I to get a power button. I just got that 
> > > computer at the end of January, and haven't seen it since we closed the 
> > > office March 23.
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Re: [MBZ] I can not believe how stupid people are -- now remote work

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This is a common finding in the research on remote workers who work from home. 
They typically put in more hours because there’s no disconnect between home and 
work. There can also be concerns that there is a perception that if they’re not 
producing they’re not working. This is also something that’s come up in 
research as well.

We’ve focused on task or project completion, not watching clocks, and that 
seems to work well. As my boss says, he doesn’t care where or how much you work 
as long as things get done and when expected.

-D

> On Dec 4, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> I was teleworking full time before I retired this summer and as you said, 
> missed the daily interactions with other humans.  I also found that working 
> from home meant LONGER hours, since I had no reason to log out and there was 
> always a new email to open, which often kept me well beyond 8 hours.  
> 
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 12:03 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> I would agree with this. I have a team that I work with, two of which are 
> younger people about 20 years my junior, and one who is a few years older 
> than me. We all get along well and have a lot of common interests, so the 
> social interaction was definitely a part of the work day. I definitely miss 
> that aspect of work.
> 
> The other aspect that hasn’t been mentioned here is what I would describe as 
> a “separation of duties”, although that’s not the ideal description.
> 
> I’m talking about the distinct delineation of “work” versus “home”. That is, 
> when I leave work, I’m done for the day both mentally and physically. That’s 
> not the case when you’re working from home. This is probably the big negative 
> for me when it comes to working from home. I like the physical separation 
> between the two environments.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Dec 4, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > I realized when I was at Lotus that I was working mostly with people who 
> > were not in my office so it really didn't matter much where I was.  Instead 
> > of fighting traffic at 830 I would drop the kids at school, go home and 
> > work for a coupla hours, make phone calls, emails, work on computer stuff, 
> > whatever.  Then I would head into the office for the afternoon and if I 
> > needed to meet with anyone I could do that.  I got more done at home 
> > without the distractions, and dealing with colleagues in England or Europe 
> > was fine from home.  It was a really nice sorta hybrid scheme. Working 
> > always from home got to be old, even though I got more done and it was 
> > relaxing and flexible, I missed the social interactions, random drop-in 
> > discussions, and serendipitous ideas that popped up being around other 
> > people and seeing them in the cafeteria or hallways.  It was just easier in 
> > a lot of ways to get a job done being around others, at least for some 
> > things.
> > 
> > IBM went to a remote work environment back in the late 90s, got rid of a 
> > lot of office space but still had some for meetings/conf rooms and hot 
> > desking if you needed to be somewhere with those resources.  Most of the 
> > people were always traveling somewhere anyway so it did not make a lot of 
> > difference.  I spent a lot of time in hotels, airports, airplanes, and 
> > off-site partners and our other offices so it was fine with me though I did 
> > (until I moved away) have an office at our main building in Cambridge with 
> > a killer view of Boston and the river.  Plus I really liked a lot of the 
> > people I worked with so that was nice to be around friends.
> > 
> > But yeah, the social interaction is a key factor not just in work but in 
> > lots of other things, I find that people are getting cranky and ill-behaved 
> > not having that.
> > 
> > --FT
> > 
> > On 12/4/20 9:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >> And in a nutshell that’s what this company found. While the initial 
> >> approach was to let roughly 50% of the employees work remotely, about a 
> >> third of those ended up wanting to return t the office if I recall 
> >> correctly. Many of them were younger people whose social lives involved 
> >> relationships with their (work) peers.
> >> 
> >> It was pretty interesting, I thought.
> >> 
> >> -D
> >> 
> >>> On Dec 4, 2020, at 9:17 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
> >>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> A wise company will do an intelligent mix.   Those who do 

Re: [MBZ] I can not believe how stupid people are -- now remote work

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I would agree with this. I have a team that I work with, two of which are 
younger people about 20 years my junior, and one who is a few years older than 
me. We all get along well and have a lot of common interests, so the social 
interaction was definitely a part of the work day. I definitely miss that 
aspect of work.

The other aspect that hasn’t been mentioned here is what I would describe as a 
“separation of duties”, although that’s not the ideal description.

I’m talking about the distinct delineation of “work” versus “home”. That is, 
when I leave work, I’m done for the day both mentally and physically. That’s 
not the case when you’re working from home. This is probably the big negative 
for me when it comes to working from home. I like the physical separation 
between the two environments.

-D

> On Dec 4, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I realized when I was at Lotus that I was working mostly with people who were 
> not in my office so it really didn't matter much where I was.  Instead of 
> fighting traffic at 830 I would drop the kids at school, go home and work for 
> a coupla hours, make phone calls, emails, work on computer stuff, whatever.  
> Then I would head into the office for the afternoon and if I needed to meet 
> with anyone I could do that.  I got more done at home without the 
> distractions, and dealing with colleagues in England or Europe was fine from 
> home.  It was a really nice sorta hybrid scheme. Working always from home got 
> to be old, even though I got more done and it was relaxing and flexible, I 
> missed the social interactions, random drop-in discussions, and serendipitous 
> ideas that popped up being around other people and seeing them in the 
> cafeteria or hallways.  It was just easier in a lot of ways to get a job done 
> being around others, at least for some things.
> 
> IBM went to a remote work environment back in the late 90s, got rid of a lot 
> of office space but still had some for meetings/conf rooms and hot desking if 
> you needed to be somewhere with those resources.  Most of the people were 
> always traveling somewhere anyway so it did not make a lot of difference.  I 
> spent a lot of time in hotels, airports, airplanes, and off-site partners and 
> our other offices so it was fine with me though I did (until I moved away) 
> have an office at our main building in Cambridge with a killer view of Boston 
> and the river.  Plus I really liked a lot of the people I worked with so that 
> was nice to be around friends.
> 
> But yeah, the social interaction is a key factor not just in work but in lots 
> of other things, I find that people are getting cranky and ill-behaved not 
> having that.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 12/4/20 9:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> And in a nutshell that’s what this company found. While the initial approach 
>> was to let roughly 50% of the employees work remotely, about a third of 
>> those ended up wanting to return t the office if I recall correctly. Many of 
>> them were younger people whose social lives involved relationships with 
>> their (work) peers.
>> 
>> It was pretty interesting, I thought.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 4, 2020, at 9:17 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A wise company will do an intelligent mix.   Those who do better working
>>> from home, work from home.  Those who do better in an office environment,
>>> work in an office.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: $800 MacBook with iPhone CPU?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I know, it’s just that I find it annoying. That and if you’re a relative newbie 
and don’t know to avoid this during setup, you’re surprised by a machine and 
interface you didn’t expect.

-D

> On Dec 4, 2020, at 10:55 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> 16 and 19 both ask during install.
> 
> Curt
> 
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> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 6:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> The thing I didn’t care for in the later Windows Server products was that the 
> “base” install is a headless design, CLI only.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Dec 3, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > For Windows 10 I've given up on using menus for anything. I just hit the 
> > windows key and start typing what I want. I've gotta say its not so bad, no 
> > searching through menus, just let Windows find it for me.
> > Actually my favorite OS right now is Windows Server 2016, actually 2019 
> > seems mostly the same from a UI perspective. Very old school look, minimal 
> > GUI, more like WinXP than Win10. Much better than 2012 which was like Win8. 
> > Too bad its very expensive although you could use the free trial for half a 
> > year at a time.
> > 
> > -Curt
> > 
> >On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 3:57:21 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:  
> > 
> > On 2020-12-03 15:18, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> >>  I never saw any benefit to those stupid boxes in Win10.
> >> AND it's not worth my time to learn a new GUI every time some liberal 
> >> arts
> >> clown at Micro$oft has a wild hair.
> > 
> > Now that you mention it, I run everything at work off a Win10 Desktop 
> > homescreen, except I have to hit
> > some key combo like CTRL-I to get a power button. I just got that 
> > computer at the end of January, and haven't seen it since we closed the 
> > office March 23.
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] I can not believe how stupid people are

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And in a nutshell that’s what this company found. While the initial approach 
was to let roughly 50% of the employees work remotely, about a third of those 
ended up wanting to return t the office if I recall correctly. Many of them 
were younger people whose social lives involved relationships with their (work) 
peers.

It was pretty interesting, I thought.

-D

> On Dec 4, 2020, at 9:17 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A wise company will do an intelligent mix.   Those who do better working
> from home, work from home.  Those who do better in an office environment,
> work in an office.
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Re: [MBZ] I can not believe how stupid people are

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Along those lines, there’s a “Hidden Brain” episode that addresses a study that 
a company in China did in the last year on remote workers. It’s pretty 
interesting, especially the social aspects of what they discovered.

You can fast-forward in to about 11:00 or 12:00 when the segment on this starts:

https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/when-you-start-to-miss-tony-from-accounting/ 


-D

> On Dec 4, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I've been thinking that the current situation of almost all virtual work
> (for those that can do so) is a losing proposition in the long term.  I'm
> not sure when the impact will be felt, but eventually the work-place
> relationships will shrivel up into superficial and shallow relationships,
> and the trust and social cohesion needed to keep an organization vital and
> energized and innovating will slip.  Companies / workplaces that maintain
> in-person environments will gain the advantage.  Perhaps some companies
> will develop business models that allow them to remain competitive, but I
> fear that those models will be brutal for the 'workers' and heavily benefit
> the company and its leadership.  Man is a social being, and there will be a
> price to pay for reducing workplace social contact.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 1:48 AM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> If we still have the Internet and virtual processes used during COVID, do
>> we
>> really need markets and exchanges in big cities?  Why can't all that be
>> virtual from wherever?  With online banking, investing, etc. I think we are
>> close to that now.   There is, however, a serious drawback in reduced
>> social
>> contact:  https://biggeekdad.com/2016/12/the-millennial-question/
>> 
>> The traditional retirement investment was to have kids who can take care of
>> you in old age.  If we, as a nation, continue to have too few children it
>> won't matter how much gold or dollars the old geezers have; there will be
>> no
>> care-givers to hire, at least not American ones.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From:  Allan Streib via Mercedes
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] I can not believe how stupid people are
>> 
>> I get the sentiment but we need both unless we revert to pure subsistence
>> living. Farmers absolutely need commodities markets in Chicago and New
>> York,
>> for example. Anyone with any substantial assets needs insurance. Anyone who
>> wants income to retire on needs investments.
>> 
>> ...
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Re: [MBZ] OT: $800 MacBook with iPhone CPU?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

https://www.cultofmac.com/729236/m1-mac-mini-runs-windows-10-enormously-faster-than-microsoft-surface-pro-x/?utm_campaign=Cult%20of%20Mac%20Today_medium=email_source=Revue%20newsletter
 
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-D


> On Dec 4, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The thing I didn’t care for in the later Windows Server products was that the 
> “base” install is a headless design, CLI only.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 3, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> For Windows 10 I've given up on using menus for anything. I just hit the 
>> windows key and start typing what I want. I've gotta say its not so bad, no 
>> searching through menus, just let Windows find it for me.
>> Actually my favorite OS right now is Windows Server 2016, actually 2019 
>> seems mostly the same from a UI perspective. Very old school look, minimal 
>> GUI, more like WinXP than Win10. Much better than 2012 which was like Win8. 
>> Too bad its very expensive although you could use the free trial for half a 
>> year at a time.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 3:57:21 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>> On 2020-12-03 15:18, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
>>>  I never saw any benefit to those stupid boxes in Win10.
>>> AND it's not worth my time to learn a new GUI every time some liberal 
>>> arts
>>> clown at Micro$oft has a wild hair.
>> 
>> Now that you mention it, I run everything at work off a Win10 Desktop 
>> homescreen, except I have to hit
>> some key combo like CTRL-I to get a power button. I just got that 
>> computer at the end of January, and haven't seen it since we closed the 
>> office March 23.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: $800 MacBook with iPhone CPU?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The thing I didn’t care for in the later Windows Server products was that the 
“base” install is a headless design, CLI only.

-D

> On Dec 3, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> For Windows 10 I've given up on using menus for anything. I just hit the 
> windows key and start typing what I want. I've gotta say its not so bad, no 
> searching through menus, just let Windows find it for me.
> Actually my favorite OS right now is Windows Server 2016, actually 2019 seems 
> mostly the same from a UI perspective. Very old school look, minimal GUI, 
> more like WinXP than Win10. Much better than 2012 which was like Win8. Too 
> bad its very expensive although you could use the free trial for half a year 
> at a time.
> 
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 3:57:21 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> On 2020-12-03 15:18, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
>>   I never saw any benefit to those stupid boxes in Win10.
>> AND it's not worth my time to learn a new GUI every time some liberal 
>> arts
>> clown at Micro$oft has a wild hair.
> 
> Now that you mention it, I run everything at work off a Win10 Desktop 
> homescreen, except I have to hit
> some key combo like CTRL-I to get a power button. I just got that 
> computer at the end of January, and haven't seen it since we closed the 
> office March 23.
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Re: [MBZ] 1977 Mercedes SL 380 blown head gasket brand new paint job, $1500

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The owner should be beaten about the head and face for having those goshawful 
wheel arch metal trim pieces on the car.

-D

> On Dec 3, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Imagine painting an SL and then getting a blown head gasket.  I guess if
> the guy didn't have bad luck he would have no luck at all...
> 
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 1:44 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> This looks pretty nice
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/298751908073091/?ref=search_code=undefined
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Re: [MBZ] I can not believe how stupid people are

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If this is the case he’ll be bringing some homeless people with him to set up a 
tent camp in the front yard, too.

-D

> On Dec 2, 2020, at 11:31 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Probably from Portland and expects the gummint to deal with everything for 
> him, take care of him and his needs. Probably hasn’t factored a Kleb into 
> that calculation 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2020, at 11:02 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> As I recall, this renter is coming from California or Oregon, left coast
>> area?
>> 
>> There is your explanation Next call will be to ask you why the toilet
>> paper isn't an auto ass wipe feature.
>> 
>> Hope you collected both First and Last month rent as part of the move in
>> deposit... if anything breaks, it will stay broken, he won't fix it.
>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 7:13 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The new renters moved into the house Monday. Keep in mind they were
>>> moving from Oregon and paid for Novembers rent even though they were not
>>> moving in till this week.  We told them all the info as far as utilities
>>> middle of last month.  Guy shows up on Sunday to move a few things in
>>> and we are there finishing up a couple of last minute items.  He walks
>>> the house and wants some light bulbs replaced and a few other minor
>>> deals.  Whatever.  He better be sure there are no burned out  bulbs when
>>> he moves out.  I explained to him that I had shut the water off at the
>>> meter because there is not gas on in the house and it was going to be
>>> down to 25 or so a couple of nights.  I explained when he gets the gas
>>> turned on so there is heat in the house, he can then go down to the
>>> meter and turn it back on.  Yesterday he calls and it took quite a while
>>> to explain to him how to turn the damn valve on at the meter.  He just
>>> could not grasp it.  He finally got it. Later, he messages and says he
>>> turned the heater on and it ran for an hour but never got hot.  We asked
>>> him if he turned the gas on. No, he has not.  Well sir, it is a gas
>>> furnace so it will not heat until you get the gas turned on.  We had to
>>> have one of the garage doors worked on and had an appointment with then
>>> to come out today.  The guy knows this.  He messages saying one of the
>>> garage doors (the working one) starts going down then comes back up. It
>>> was working fine Sunday so he must have something blocking the sensors
>>> or knocked one of them loose.  Why bring this up anyway when you know
>>> the garage door guy will be coming over.  He then states he can't figure
>>> out how to light the gas log fireplaces that are in the house.  It is
>>> real simple, turn gas on, turn knob to pilot and hold it hit, hit the
>>> button to ignite it, turn knob to on, then you are in business. Could
>>> not get it.  The wife had to do it for him.  He says the jets do not
>>> work in the jacuzzi tub.  I just repaired bad air line going from the
>>> switch to the unit, it works fine.  She fills tub up and it works fine.
>>> Guy says oh, you have to have water in the but before they work?  Uh
>>> yea, otherwise you will burn the motor up.  What did he think, it
>>> sprayed jets of water out.  Holy crap.
>>> 
>>> So what does the guy do for a living?  He is in commercial construction
>>> of some sort.  He was relocated here to work on some big expansion the
>>> google server farm is doing here.  That is quite scary.
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Re: [MBZ] OT anyone need a deuce-and-a-half?

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Sounds like riding/driving a “real” Hummer. I see the ones that were designed 
for consumer use and laugh. They’re so far removed from the real thing it’s 
laughable.

A good way to get a couple of herniated discs - riding in the back of a (real) 
Hummer off road.

-D

> On Dec 2, 2020, at 1:10 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Anyone here ever drive a deuce and half any distance?
> It's like herding wild goats in traffic , handles like you are pushing 6
> concrete blocks with a piece of rope.. and you need a back brace and ear
> plugs for a week after you get out..
> I can't see why the attraction to ever own one.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 5:45 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> I wonder what you have to do (if anything) to switch between Diesel and
>> gasoline?
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 5:04 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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>> 
>>> I bet 2020 was good to him, at least with help clearing his inventory.
>>> Mitch
>>> 
>>> On 2020-12-01 15:47, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 There was a guy in my area that had about 10 of them sitting on a lot
 for sale. Last time I was by there he was down to 3 or 4.
>>> 
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>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
>> Wernher
>> Von Braun
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Re: [MBZ] OT new laptops

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You’ll most likely regret a 17” unless you’re using it for viewing DVDs or 
streaming content. It’s a beast to carry around and transport.

-D

> On Dec 1, 2020, at 11:08 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> 
> On 2020-11-30 20:42, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yes they did, yes I bought one, and yes I was able to mount a second
>> drive (m.2 SSD, $50 for a Crucial 500GB version).
> 
> I will put something like a WD Blue 1TB ($90 last weekend) in mine later, but 
> it doesn't have a platter drive bay like yours does so I need a roomy SSD.
> 
> I may get a 17" next Thanksgiving. I can probably sell the $400 one for a 
> profit, and never be out of warranty.
> I really like a 17" screen (but plugging it into a 27" panel is more better, 
> and 99% of the time it's used at home), a DVD is somewhat important to me 
> (but a USB DVD is OK), and two drives inside the machine is really, really 
> nice. Just a few mouse clicks to back up files.
> 
> On Black Friday, the top deal on the planet according to SlickDeals was the 
> Pavilion 15Z with AMD 4700, and every 17" I configured was $150-200 more for 
> similar specs.
> 
> After I bought it, I discovered the latest PCIe spec is PCIe4, and my high 
> end CPU, introduced in the winter of 2020, has a PCIe3 interface, limited to 
> 3GB/s. That's 10x as fast as the SATA in my old laptop, but some PCIe4 drives 
> can hit 5GB/s. OTOH, PCIe4 drives tend to draw a lot more power.
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Re: [MBZ] Potentially good deal?

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No. Potentially bad evaporator and self destructing wiring.-DOn Nov 29, 2020, at 4:43 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  wrote:Mileage not indicatedhttps://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/cto/d/merrillville-1993-mercedes-500-sel/7238370904.html___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

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Re: [MBZ] 1967 Mercedes-Benz S-Class,$18,900

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Sock puppet pointed it out. We’ll see what, if any, response there is. I’m 
wondering if the seller is even familiar with these cars? Clearly not familiar 
with the market, as that’s approaching crack pipe money, even for an S-Class.

-D

> On Nov 26, 2020, at 10:22 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We need to report it to Zuck and get some Fact Checking going here!  Lies!
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 11/26/20 10:11 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yes, a floor shifter was optional.
>> 
>> This is not an “S-Class”, it’s a W110 which is the basic entry level model. 
>> Very nice example without seeing the underside, but definitely not an 
>> S-Class which would justify the price if it was.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> a 200, 3 on the tree?
>>> 
>>> Wow this looks really nice
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/285399182873927/?ref=search_code=undefined
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1967 Mercedes-Benz S-Class,$18,900

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Yes, a floor shifter was optional.

This is not an “S-Class”, it’s a W110 which is the basic entry level model. 
Very nice example without seeing the underside, but definitely not an S-Class 
which would justify the price if it was.

-D

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> 
> a 200, 3 on the tree?
> 
> Wow this looks really nice
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/285399182873927/?ref=search_code=undefined
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Re: [MBZ] OT what could go wrong

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I don’t but I highly doubt that he would be able to find anything to graft onto 
the brakes themselves. I’ve seen plenty of them (used to work to a RR 
dealership in Zionsville, IN, and hang out in their shop during lunch chatting 
with the mechanic and looking at what he had on the rack) and the brakes are 
nothing like I’ve seen before.

-D

> On Nov 25, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 25/11/2020 12:52 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Unless the brakes need servicing. Darned near all the bits and pieces are 
>> exclusively RR, no aftermarket whatsoever, at least I’ve been told.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
> You don't recall the story I told about my mechanic son transplanting a power 
> brake booster unit from a Corvette into an old RR.
> 
> RB
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT what could go wrong

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Unless the brakes need servicing. Darned near all the bits and pieces are 
exclusively RR, no aftermarket whatsoever, at least I’ve been told.

-D

> On Nov 25, 2020, at 1:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> Transplant a 220diesel into the engine bay and with the extra room you can
> fit a kiddie pool.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 12:26 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> 
>> On 25/11/2020 11:17 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>>> One hose, listed on flea bay... $200.00 ... you will need two
>>> 
>>> Repaint... whip out about $12,00  upholstery  fix have to match
>> the
>>> leather, so whip out another $2,000..
>>> "Cheap Rolls Royce"
>>> 
>> Oh, come on. If you are going to drive an old cheap RR then you have to
>> act like you have always been wealthy and just let it deteriorate around
>> you.
>> 
>> Need to repair a hose, put in a chunk of copper pipe from your junk
>> stash in the garage.
>> 
>> Need to cover holes in the upholstery, cheap seat cover from Walmart, or
>> maybe one of those old Navajo blankets.
>> 
>> RB
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] So here's this one too -- 2007 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 350

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I have to share a related story…

I belong to a FB marketplace group or a nearby community that is very high end, 
like $1M homes. Those rich people toss out some really nice stuff. But anyway, 
apparently one of them is or has a relative that’s a used car dealer. They post 
cars from time to time, rarely anything of interest to me. So a couple days ago 
the guy posts a 2007 E350 with a CEL for “only” $7500.

I commented, asking if he knew what the CEL was for, as it was likely timing 
issues with this car due to the issue with the balance shaft. Of course it was 
a bit of a dick move, but I don’t care for sleazy used car dealers, either.

He came back and said the CEL for for the intake manifold runner control valve 
and that it was a $35 part. I checked, it’s not. Pointed that out, and that it 
was more likely the intake runner flaps were seized and the control valve had 
broken because of it.

He took down the post.

-D


> On Nov 25, 2020, at 11:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> 
> Because the balance shaft gear is completely worn away, maybe?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Car looks pretty nice, won't start.  Sent the guy a message to get the VIN
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375130383558463/?ref=search_code=undefined
>> 
>> 2007 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 350 Sedan 4D
>> $2,500
>> Vehicles <https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/charleston/vehicles/>
>> Listed 5 days ago in Spartanburg, SC 
>> <https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/105751289458503/>
>> 
>> 
>>  About This Vehicle…
>> 
>> Driven 190,000 miles
>> Automatic transmission
>> Exterior color: Black
>> Fuel type: Gasoline
>> 17.0 MPG city · 24.0 MPG highway · 20.0 MPG combined
>> 
>> 
>>  Seller's description…
>> 
>> Not running. It turns over but does not start. The car is in good condition 
>> and has clean title. Not sure what is wrong with it.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] So here's this one too -- 2007 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 350

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Because the balance shaft gear is completely worn away, maybe?

-D

> On Nov 25, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> Car looks pretty nice, won't start.  Sent the guy a message to get the VIN
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375130383558463/?ref=search_code=undefined
> 
> 2007 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 350 Sedan 4D
> $2,500
> Vehicles 
> Listed 5 days ago in Spartanburg, SC 
> 
> 
> 
>   About This Vehicle…
> 
> Driven 190,000 miles
> Automatic transmission
> Exterior color: Black
> Fuel type: Gasoline
> 17.0 MPG city · 24.0 MPG highway · 20.0 MPG combined
> 
> 
>   Seller's description…
> 
> Not running. It turns over but does not start. The car is in good condition 
> and has clean title. Not sure what is wrong with it.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT what could go wrong

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Like being an M100 owner. Gotta know the M100 handshake.

-D


> On Nov 25, 2020, at 11:44 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
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> 
> Only two cheap things on a Rolls. The air in the tires, and the $100 tip
> you give the parking valet.
> 
> Everything else comes in multiples of $100 bills.
> 
> 
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>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/231738794960236/
>> 
>> But hey only $3500
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Re: [MBZ] A bit high for a fixable 2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 350 Sedan 4D, $2, 000

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Always good to see a clean tittle.

-D

> On Nov 25, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/234463051351370/?ref=search_code=undefined
> 
> 2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 350 Sedan 4D
> $2,000
> Vehicles 
> Listed about an hour ago in Winston-Salem, NC 
> 
> 
> 
>   About This Vehicle…
> 
> Driven 200,000 miles
> Automatic transmission
> Exterior color: Black · Interior color: Grey
> Fuel type: Gasoline
> 
> 
>   Seller's description…
> 
> * MUST BE TOWED * ( Price negotiable) CAR DRIVES AND WILL TURN ON but is not 
> in drivable condition , I was in a incident hydroplaned and the car needs 
> body work , the hood and fender must be replaced , I had it recently in the 
> shop , all old parts ( Damaged) are located in trunk , I have a clean tittle 
> for it , if your willing to fix it you’d be more than happy
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Looks nice -- 1988 Mercedes 560 SEL - $1,200

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I was thinking compared to diesel, such as spark plugs, ignition, that sort of 
stuff. If it were mine it would be getting serviced at normal A/B/C intervals.

-D

> On Nov 25, 2020, at 8:51 AM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> 
> Maintenance requirements far more than diesel? No. My parents had an 88 
> 560SEL which they bought new. They barely maintained it and they hit 238,000 
> trouble free miles before my mom totaled it. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have always wanted a 560SEl, except for the fact that it’s horribly fuel 
>> inefficient and has far more maintenance requirements than it’s diesel 
>> brethren. I just wonder what it would be like to drive a LWB W126 with that 
>> much juice.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would budget a full transmission rebuild or replacement into any offering
>>> price.  If there's no rust then this is a good deal.
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 10:35 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yes seems worth it.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I bet a trans fluid change would do wonders
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/d/charlotte-1988-mercedes-560-sel/7235831538.html
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] big sale on HP elitebook

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Keep a close eye on the HP store, as they run specials throughout this time of 
year. I got a 17” HP laptop with 16GB of RAM, i5 processor and 480GB SSD last 
year for the wife for under $400. I know an HP employee who gave me a heads up 
on this, but I’m sure you can watch and find similar deals if you’re persistent.

-D

> On Nov 25, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you see any more good deals on laptops, please pass them on. SWMBO has
> decided it is time for at least one new laptop, now that we have three in
> the house who frequently need to get stuff done and only one laptop to
> share.
> 
> I know nothing about the HP Elitebook, but I'm tempted by this offer.  I've
> got a big HP Zbook for work, and despite the very heavy nature, I love the
> big screen and the full size keyboard.  I'm thinking that 15 inches is
> about the smallest screen I'll accept.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
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> 
>> $660 is cheaper than $1600
>> 
>> 
>> https://store.hp.com/us/en/ConfigureView?langId=-1=10151=10051=3074457345619656320==1=ma_black-friday-sale_product-tile_top-deals_1_8pz96av-mb_hp-elitebook-840-g7-
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Re: [MBZ] Looks nice -- 1988 Mercedes 560 SEL - $1,200

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No long wheelbase W126 should feel like a race car - it should feel like you’re 
sitting on a big fluffy couch at home in your living room. That’s the beauty of 
a W126…

-D

> On Nov 24, 2020, at 1:16 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
>> I have always wanted a 560SEl, except for the fact that it’s horribly fuel 
>> inefficient and has far more maintenance requirements than it’s diesel 
>> brethren. I just wonder what it would be like to drive a LWB W126 with that 
>> much juice.
> 
> Nice enough, but it's a heavy car, so it doesn't feel like a race car or 
> anything.
> I've got one I should sell.  Comes with replacement door and fender!  
> (Guardrail
> decorations added by me.)  An excellent napmobile.
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Re: [MBZ] OT beware of no-name or store-brand networking gear

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I’ve used Asus for a number of years and been very happy with them. Avoid 
D-Link at all costs, as they’re cheaply built and do a lousy job of keeping 
things up to date. I bought one of their routers some years back and within 
four months of my purchase they had stopped maintaining the firmware, and it 
wasn’t even an end of life product yet.

-D

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>  wrote:
> 
> TP Link isn't a no name brand. I've had one for a few years...
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 7:50 AM, Mitch Haley via 
> Mercedes wrote:   
> What if I buy Toilet Paper Links instead of no-name, is that safe?
> 
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/TP-Link-Archer-AX1800-4-Stream-Dual-Band-Wi-Fi-6-Wireless-Router-up-to-1-8-Gbps-Speeds-1-5-GHz-Quad-Core-CPU/210201077
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Re: [MBZ] Looks nice -- 1988 Mercedes 560 SEL - $1,200

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I have always wanted a 560SEl, except for the fact that it’s horribly fuel 
inefficient and has far more maintenance requirements than it’s diesel 
brethren. I just wonder what it would be like to drive a LWB W126 with that 
much juice.

-D

> On Nov 24, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would budget a full transmission rebuild or replacement into any offering
> price.  If there's no rust then this is a good deal.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 10:35 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> 
>> Yes seems worth it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I bet a trans fluid change would do wonders
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/d/charlotte-1988-mercedes-560-sel/7235831538.html
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody destroyed a 123 wagon and now it is on BAT

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But it’s too bad, as the exterior actually looks pretty nice, except for the 
wheels. The aesthetics don’t seem to carry into the interior, I guess.

-D

> On Nov 23, 2020, at 7:46 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> For some it's the journey, not the destination - he must have liked the
> challenge of figuring out how to work with what he picked (or had).
> Projects like this are often not rational ...
> 
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 6:34 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> It was crying out for a 606. Mechanical diesel, 722.3, etc. The thinking
>> man's option would have been a 648/722.6. For gas, the drivetrain from a
>> 560 drops right in.
>> 
>> I will say there appears to have been a lot of nice workmanship and money
>> put into that car. The basic ideas were just kind of random, like that
>> deboss garage dude converting a 124 wagon to LS, creating a ton of crappy
>> work for no apparent reason instead of dropping a 606 in. I mean, at least
>> use an m119 if you want a v8 in a 124; bolt a bunch of factory parts up and
>> go, rather than reinventing every system on the car e.g. A/C, steering
>> rack, cover strut reinforcement, motor and tranny mounts, fuel tank, blah
>> blah yada yada.
>> 
>> Nicer than most similar efforts.
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 2:48 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I just made that suggestion.
>>> 
>>> -D “flagged as inappropriate"
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 11:36 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> sacrilege.  Needs a stack coming out of the hood though.
>>>> 
>>>> --FT
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/23/20 11:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> 
>>> 
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-mercedes-benz-300td-9/?fbclid=IwAR3tIfXhjuTMFcb-DRhBXR1QkAsv_YxPj7ZCwCFJO5N6-JUMM_sx-wkzmwA
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody destroyed a 123 wagon and now it is on BAT

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That shifter was a real nightmare, almost cartoonish. How difficult would it 
have been to work out a cable arrangement using the stock shifter?

-D

> On Nov 23, 2020, at 7:33 PM, Karl Wittnebel  wrote:
> 
> It was crying out for a 606. Mechanical diesel, 722.3, etc. The thinking 
> man's option would have been a 648/722.6. For gas, the drivetrain from a 560 
> drops right in. 
> 
> I will say there appears to have been a lot of nice workmanship and money put 
> into that car. The basic ideas were just kind of random, like that deboss 
> garage dude converting a 124 wagon to LS, creating a ton of crappy work for 
> no apparent reason instead of dropping a 606 in. I mean, at least use an m119 
> if you want a v8 in a 124; bolt a bunch of factory parts up and go, rather 
> than reinventing every system on the car e.g. A/C, steering rack, cover strut 
> reinforcement, motor and tranny mounts, fuel tank, blah blah yada yada. 
> 
> Nicer than most similar efforts. 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 2:48 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> I just made that suggestion.
> 
> -D “flagged as inappropriate"
> 
> 
> > On Nov 23, 2020, at 11:36 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > sacrilege.  Needs a stack coming out of the hood though.
> > 
> > --FT
> > 
> > On 11/23/20 11:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-mercedes-benz-300td-9/?fbclid=IwAR3tIfXhjuTMFcb-DRhBXR1QkAsv_YxPj7ZCwCFJO5N6-JUMM_sx-wkzmwA
> >>  
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Re: [MBZ] Low Cost Drawer Liner

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

For what little the “special purchase” deal Kroil offers for like $10 that 
includes a can of the liquid and a spray can, I’m good with buying it. Between 
the two it lasts me several years if not longer.

-D

> On Nov 23, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> ATF mixed with acetone. Mix a small amount just prior to use. The
> acetone draws into the tiniest crevices and pulls the ATF with it. I
> learned about it on this list, or maybe the old mbz.org list.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Kroil. I swear by that stuff. I’ve yet to encounter a fastener it hasn’t 
>> been able to free up.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 5:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Fluid film.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> For my birthday everyone in the family piled on and gave me Lowe’s gift 
>>>> cards. So I’m trying to figure out what I can buy from Lowe’s for me that 
>>>> I really need. It occurs to me as I wander through the store that I could 
>>>> use a tool box for the new house, as I have nothing to contain tools 
>>>> there. So I found a really nice five drawer Craftsman upper cabinet that 
>>>> was on sale for around $200 down from $250.
>>>> 
>>>> So I get this tool box home and am thinking about all the duplicate tools 
>>>> I have that I can put it in. Then I realize I need some drawer liners so 
>>>> stuff isn’t sliding all over the place.
>>>> 
>>>> I know I can get precut drawer liners for big $$$ if I wanted, but I’m 
>>>> cheap in this regard so I start doing some research.
>>>> 
>>>> I found some Duck brand shelf liner in a 20’ x 6’ roll for $9.00 on the 
>>>> Island of Large Wimmen. Bought two rolls for a total of $18, delivered the 
>>>> next day. I spent about a half an hour in the garage last night with my 
>>>> carpenter’s square and a fresh carpet knife and now I have nice, custom 
>>>> fit drawer liners.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010DHSV6O/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8=1
>>>> 
>>>> This tool box is so nice and new I’m almost afraid to use it. I haven’t 
>>>> bought a tool box in over 40 years…
>>>> 
>>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 Mercedes 350SDL parts car - $2,500 (Pierson)

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Good point.

-D

> On Nov 23, 2020, at 6:20 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 23/11/2020 5:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I don’t think it’s bad considering the coverage you get for $5. I’ve used it 
>> a couple of times since they started charging and was happy with the results.
>> 
>> I think the change had to put a significant dent in the number of listings 
>> they had. Within a day or two of them enacting the change the number of 
>> listings fell off precipitously.
>> 
>> Definitely put a damper on the bottom feeder stuff. I think a lot of that 
>> moved to FB.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
> A lot of bottom feeders don't have a credit card so cannot readily pay online.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Low Cost Drawer Liner

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I think there might have been some confusion with the posts as they crossed, 
too.

Yes, I use Kroil as a penetrating lubricant. Great stuff. The Fluid Film I used 
to prevent corrosion on the underside of the E320 4Matic. The W210s seem to 
immediately rust out upon crossing the Mason-Dixon Line, so I figured it might 
defer the inevitable for a few months.

Plus the livestock likes the smell…

-D



> On Nov 23, 2020, at 6:18 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> It wouldn't be the first time...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Monday, November 23, 2020, 6:12:12 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I know the difference. I think you repeated yourself…
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Nov 23, 2020, at 6:10 PM, Curt Raymond  > <mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > They're not for the same purpose. Kroil is a penetrant, its supposed to 
> > creep. Kroil is a protectant, its supposed to stay put.
> > 
> > -Curt
> > 
> > On Monday, November 23, 2020, 5:56:39 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Kroil. I swear by that stuff. I’ve yet to encounter a fastener it hasn’t 
> > been able to free up.
> > 
> > -D
> > 
> > > On Nov 23, 2020, at 5:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  > > <mailto:dsereta...@yahoo.com> <mailto:dsereta...@yahoo.com 
> > > <mailto:dsereta...@yahoo.com>>> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Fluid film.
> > > 
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > 
> > >> On Nov 23, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > >> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> > >> <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>> wrote:
> 
> > >> 
> > >> For my birthday everyone in the family piled on and gave me Lowe’s gift 
> > >> cards. So I’m trying to figure out what I can buy from Lowe’s for me 
> > >> that I really need. It occurs to me as I wander through the store that I 
> > >> could use a tool box for the new house, as I have nothing to contain 
> > >> tools there. So I found a really nice five drawer Craftsman upper 
> > >> cabinet that was on sale for around $200 down from $250.
> > >> 
> > >> So I get this tool box home and am thinking about all the duplicate 
> > >> tools I have that I can put it in. Then I realize I need some drawer 
> > >> liners so stuff isn’t sliding all over the place.
> > >> 
> > >> I know I can get precut drawer liners for big $$$ if I wanted, but I’m 
> > >> cheap in this regard so I start doing some research.
> > >> 
> > >> I found some Duck brand shelf liner in a 20’ x 6’ roll for $9.00 on the 
> > >> Island of Large Wimmen. Bought two rolls for a total of $18, delivered 
> > >> the next day. I spent about a half an hour in the garage last night with 
> > >> my carpenter’s square and a fresh carpet knife and now I have nice, 
> > >> custom fit drawer liners.
> > >> 
> > >> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010DHSV6O/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8=1
> > >>   
> > >> <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010DHSV6O/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8=1><https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010DHSV6O/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8=1
> > >>  
> > >> <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010DHSV6O/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8=1>>
> > >> 
> > >> This tool box is so nice and new I’m almost afraid to use it. I haven’t 
> > >> bought a tool box in over 40 years…
> > >> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 Mercedes 350SDL parts car - $2,500 (Pierson)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I don’t think it’s bad considering the coverage you get for $5. I’ve used it a 
couple of times since they started charging and was happy with the results.

I think the change had to put a significant dent in the number of listings they 
had. Within a day or two of them enacting the change the number of listings 
fell off precipitously.

Definitely put a damper on the bottom feeder stuff. I think a lot of that moved 
to FB.

-D



> On Nov 23, 2020, at 6:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> That wouldn't deter me at all.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 6:10 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Per listing, paid up front when you list. Listing is good for 30 days.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Nov 23, 2020, at 6:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Is the fee $5 per listing or a percentage of the take?
> > 
> > On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:28 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> >> The Bayou of Fleas has financial stake in CL.  That should say it all
> >> 
> >> Clay
> >> 
> >> 
> >> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
> >> 
> >>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 9:09 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  >>> <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
> >> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> How long did you think a free service would stay free with worldwide
> >>> coverage? That any of it is free is amazing. Can't be cheap to host, if
> >>> nothing else.
> >>> 
> >>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 11:59 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>>> I guess maybe that'll stop some of the spam, though I never really
> >>>>> thought it was that out of control. And people reposting their car
> >> every
> >>>>> few days so it stays on top.
> >>>> 
> >>>> It was not done for us, it was a money grab.
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Re: [MBZ] Low Cost Drawer Liner

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I know the difference. I think you repeated yourself…

-D

> On Nov 23, 2020, at 6:10 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> They're not for the same purpose. Kroil is a penetrant, its supposed to 
> creep. Kroil is a protectant, its supposed to stay put.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Monday, November 23, 2020, 5:56:39 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Kroil. I swear by that stuff. I’ve yet to encounter a fastener it hasn’t been 
> able to free up.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Nov 23, 2020, at 5:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  > <mailto:dsereta...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Fluid film.
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Nov 23, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >> 
> >> For my birthday everyone in the family piled on and gave me Lowe’s gift 
> >> cards. So I’m trying to figure out what I can buy from Lowe’s for me that 
> >> I really need. It occurs to me as I wander through the store that I could 
> >> use a tool box for the new house, as I have nothing to contain tools 
> >> there. So I found a really nice five drawer Craftsman upper cabinet that 
> >> was on sale for around $200 down from $250.
> >> 
> >> So I get this tool box home and am thinking about all the duplicate tools 
> >> I have that I can put it in. Then I realize I need some drawer liners so 
> >> stuff isn’t sliding all over the place.
> >> 
> >> I know I can get precut drawer liners for big $$$ if I wanted, but I’m 
> >> cheap in this regard so I start doing some research.
> >> 
> >> I found some Duck brand shelf liner in a 20’ x 6’ roll for $9.00 on the 
> >> Island of Large Wimmen. Bought two rolls for a total of $18, delivered the 
> >> next day. I spent about a half an hour in the garage last night with my 
> >> carpenter’s square and a fresh carpet knife and now I have nice, custom 
> >> fit drawer liners.
> >> 
> >> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010DHSV6O/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8=1
> >>  
> >> <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010DHSV6O/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8=1>
> >> 
> >> This tool box is so nice and new I’m almost afraid to use it. I haven’t 
> >> bought a tool box in over 40 years…
> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 Mercedes 350SDL parts car - $2,500 (Pierson)

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Per listing, paid up front when you list. Listing is good for 30 days.

-D

> On Nov 23, 2020, at 6:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Is the fee $5 per listing or a percentage of the take?
> 
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:28 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes <
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>> The Bayou of Fleas has financial stake in CL.  That should say it all
>> 
>> Clay
>> 
>> 
>> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
>> 
>>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 9:09 AM, OK Don via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How long did you think a free service would stay free with worldwide
>>> coverage? That any of it is free is amazing. Can't be cheap to host, if
>>> nothing else.
>>> 
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>>> 
> I guess maybe that'll stop some of the spam, though I never really
> thought it was that out of control. And people reposting their car
>> every
> few days so it stays on top.
 
 It was not done for us, it was a money grab.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Low Cost Drawer Liner

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I fogged all of the chassis cavities with Fluid Film on the E320 4Matic while I 
was working on it in preparation for it’s move to the Great White North. I had 
to buy a bunch of it when I bought it to do the W111 so I had a couple of cans 
left over. Figured it couldn’t hurt, and I won’t use the stuff in Florida.

-D

> On Nov 23, 2020, at 5:57 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've been using fluid film on ratcheting tie downs. Those ratchets are made 
> super cheap and always stick until I started shooting them with fluid film. 
> The stuff stays put so it doesn't need to be re-applied all the time.
> I like it for door hinges on cars too, same reason.
> Things do smell like sheep for a day or two...
> -Curt
> 
> 
> 
>On Monday, November 23, 2020, 5:55:24 PM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via 
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> 
> Fluid film.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> For my birthday everyone in the family piled on and gave me Lowe’s gift 
>> cards. So I’m trying to figure out what I can buy from Lowe’s for me that I 
>> really need. It occurs to me as I wander through the store that I could use 
>> a tool box for the new house, as I have nothing to contain tools there. So I 
>> found a really nice five drawer Craftsman upper cabinet that was on sale for 
>> around $200 down from $250.
>> 
>> So I get this tool box home and am thinking about all the duplicate tools I 
>> have that I can put it in. Then I realize I need some drawer liners so stuff 
>> isn’t sliding all over the place.
>> 
>> I know I can get precut drawer liners for big $$$ if I wanted, but I’m cheap 
>> in this regard so I start doing some research.
>> 
>> I found some Duck brand shelf liner in a 20’ x 6’ roll for $9.00 on the 
>> Island of Large Wimmen. Bought two rolls for a total of $18, delivered the 
>> next day. I spent about a half an hour in the garage last night with my 
>> carpenter’s square and a fresh carpet knife and now I have nice, custom fit 
>> drawer liners.
>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010DHSV6O/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8=1
>> 
>> This tool box is so nice and new I’m almost afraid to use it. I haven’t 
>> bought a tool box in over 40 years…
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Low Cost Drawer Liner

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Gotcha.

-D

> On Nov 23, 2020, at 5:56 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That's why I said look a the package Gear Wrench put it in.
> There should be warranty info on the back.
> 
> On 2020-11-23 17:47, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> That’s just what the Advance web page for the product says under
>> “Warranty”. Look at it.
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Re: [MBZ] Low Cost Drawer Liner

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Kroil. I swear by that stuff. I’ve yet to encounter a fastener it hasn’t been 
able to free up.

-D

> On Nov 23, 2020, at 5:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> 
> Fluid film.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> For my birthday everyone in the family piled on and gave me Lowe’s gift 
>> cards. So I’m trying to figure out what I can buy from Lowe’s for me that I 
>> really need. It occurs to me as I wander through the store that I could use 
>> a tool box for the new house, as I have nothing to contain tools there. So I 
>> found a really nice five drawer Craftsman upper cabinet that was on sale for 
>> around $200 down from $250.
>> 
>> So I get this tool box home and am thinking about all the duplicate tools I 
>> have that I can put it in. Then I realize I need some drawer liners so stuff 
>> isn’t sliding all over the place.
>> 
>> I know I can get precut drawer liners for big $$$ if I wanted, but I’m cheap 
>> in this regard so I start doing some research.
>> 
>> I found some Duck brand shelf liner in a 20’ x 6’ roll for $9.00 on the 
>> Island of Large Wimmen. Bought two rolls for a total of $18, delivered the 
>> next day. I spent about a half an hour in the garage last night with my 
>> carpenter’s square and a fresh carpet knife and now I have nice, custom fit 
>> drawer liners.
>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010DHSV6O/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8=1
>> 
>> This tool box is so nice and new I’m almost afraid to use it. I haven’t 
>> bought a tool box in over 40 years…
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody destroyed a 123 wagon and now it is on BAT

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I just made that suggestion.

-D “flagged as inappropriate"


> On Nov 23, 2020, at 11:36 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> sacrilege.  Needs a stack coming out of the hood though.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 11/23/20 11:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-mercedes-benz-300td-9/?fbclid=IwAR3tIfXhjuTMFcb-DRhBXR1QkAsv_YxPj7ZCwCFJO5N6-JUMM_sx-wkzmwA
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Re: [MBZ] Low Cost Drawer Liner

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That’s just what the Advance web page for the product says under “Warranty”. 
Look at it.

-D

> On Nov 23, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> 
> On 2020-11-23 17:14, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I don’t get a feeling of confidence when I see “30 day replacement if
>> defective” for the warranty.
> 
> Read the package, might be an error.
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Re: [MBZ] Low Cost Drawer Liner

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Mobil products are exempt from coupons at Advance. You can use your “points” or 
whatever they are, but no coupons.

-D

> On Nov 23, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> send me wunnathem 30%ers.  I just got a 25%, will have to see if it applies 
> to fluids as I am going to do some tranny, diff, and TC changes over the hol
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 11/23/20 4:48 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>> If you need a fresh set of combination wrenches, look for a Black Friday 
>> deal on these, or stack a 30% coupon on top of the Advance Auto sale price...
>> 
>> https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/gear-wrench-20-piece-ratchet-wrench-set-8920a/10703429-P
>>  
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Re: [MBZ] Low Cost Drawer Liner

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I don’t get a feeling of confidence when I see “30 day replacement if 
defective” for the warranty.

-D

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> 
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Re: [MBZ] Low Cost Drawer Liner

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I have a lot of duplicates of things from accretion over the years. For 
example, I have a complete Craftsman screwdriver set that was always in a wall 
cabinet I had for my woodworking setup when I had one. Tools were segregated 
between garage and wood shop so as not to commingle with things that could be 
greasy or have sawdust in them. All of those duplicates are going north.

I don’t, however, have doubles of things like ratchets and socket sets. Some 
duplicates, but not complete sets. I’ll buy new for those and keep the dupes in 
Florida. I had a pretty good set of standard combination wrenches, but not 
metrics, so those will get bought as new up north, too.

All of my MB specific stuff will stay in Florida. I’m not doing any substantive 
work on cars in Indiana, at least not intentionally. Worst case scenario 
there’s a Harbor Fright nearby, so if I had to make do with something in the 
way of hand tools I could snag it there.

Xmas ask is more Lowe’s gift cards so I can get a rolling box to put the tool 
box on…

-D

> On Nov 23, 2020, at 3:59 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> I hope you used the opportunity to buy some new tools too, you'll need a set 
> at the new manse.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 11/23/20 3:49 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> For my birthday everyone in the family piled on and gave me Lowe’s gift 
>> cards. So I’m trying to figure out what I can buy from Lowe’s for me that I 
>> really need. It occurs to me as I wander through the store that I could use 
>> a tool box for the new house, as I have nothing to contain tools there. So I 
>> found a really nice five drawer Craftsman upper cabinet that was on sale for 
>> around $200 down from $250.
>> 
>> So I get this tool box home and am thinking about all the duplicate tools I 
>> have that I can put it in. Then I realize I need some drawer liners so stuff 
>> isn’t sliding all over the place.
>> 
>> I know I can get precut drawer liners for big $$$ if I wanted, but I’m cheap 
>> in this regard so I start doing some research.
>> 
>> I found some Duck brand shelf liner in a 20’ x 6’ roll for $9.00 on the 
>> Island of Large Wimmen. Bought two rolls for a total of $18, delivered the 
>> next day. I spent about a half an hour in the garage last night with my 
>> carpenter’s square and a fresh carpet knife and now I have nice, custom fit 
>> drawer liners.
>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010DHSV6O/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8=1
>> 
>> This tool box is so nice and new I’m almost afraid to use it. I haven’t 
>> bought a tool box in over 40 years…
>> 
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[MBZ] Low Cost Drawer Liner

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

For my birthday everyone in the family piled on and gave me Lowe’s gift cards. 
So I’m trying to figure out what I can buy from Lowe’s for me that I really 
need. It occurs to me as I wander through the store that I could use a tool box 
for the new house, as I have nothing to contain tools there. So I found a 
really nice five drawer Craftsman upper cabinet that was on sale for around 
$200 down from $250.

So I get this tool box home and am thinking about all the duplicate tools I 
have that I can put it in. Then I realize I need some drawer liners so stuff 
isn’t sliding all over the place.

I know I can get precut drawer liners for big $$$ if I wanted, but I’m cheap in 
this regard so I start doing some research.

I found some Duck brand shelf liner in a 20’ x 6’ roll for $9.00 on the Island 
of Large Wimmen. Bought two rolls for a total of $18, delivered the next day. I 
spent about a half an hour in the garage last night with my carpenter’s square 
and a fresh carpet knife and now I have nice, custom fit drawer liners.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010DHSV6O/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8=1

This tool box is so nice and new I’m almost afraid to use it. I haven’t bought 
a tool box in over 40 years…

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Re: [MBZ] W114 parts car 280C

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

BZZZT

Too much rust. The wheels are awful, too.

Not far from my other house, though. Gotta wait for the garage floor to be 
epoxied before I can put any cars in it, though.

-D

> On Nov 23, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Great project car for the Danster to tidy up and flip.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 1:06 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Looks pretty much all there...
>> 
>> 
>> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/pts/d/indianapolis-1975-mercedes-benz/7233718116.html
>> 
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>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 Mercedes 350SDL parts car - $2,500 (Pierson)

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Across the board.

> On Nov 23, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jim Cathey via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Craigslist now charges money to list a non-parts car.
> 
> I thought that was just for dealers? Is it also true for private sellers 
> now?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Max needs new a 210 White Whale

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Standard on wagons, optional on sedans except the 500E (W124) and the LWB 
W126s, if I recall. You have a rare bird there.

-D

> On Nov 23, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My 1999 4Matic has rear SLS.
> Seems more robust than S123 or W201 SLS
> I think it's standard on wagons, but don't know for sure.
> I'd hope the E320 PS pump would fit on a E300 if you wanted to swap 
> drivetrains.
> 
> On 2020-11-23 10:41, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> It's probably just the cable, connector, or the TCM occasionally
>> acting up, either would be fairly easy to fix.  Conductor plate might
>> even be marginal.  It looks like the rear is blown though, I think
>> these have SLS?  Otherwise looks like a fairly nice car.
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[MBZ] W123 ACC Default Operation

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

What was the deal when the ACC defaults to defrost for heat? I’ve got someone 
asking me and I can't recall the details.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Random COVID question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We just keep our usual hurricane supply levels maintained, no shortages here. I 
will say that I did go down the paper goods aisle this morning when I was doing 
my weekly grocery run and there was some TP on the shelves, but not a lot. They 
were clearly well below the normal stock levels, for sure.

I don’t get it.

-D

> On Nov 22, 2020, at 5:16 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's being hoarded again that's why, everyone thinking there is going to be 
> another big spike and everything will get shut down by Gropin' Joe such that 
> you won't be able to go out to buy TP.  I don't get it, I have plenty I got 3 
> or 4 months ago.  Who knows.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 11/22/20 5:12 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> How come, as we approach a year of this pandemic, the paper companies
>> still cannot keep retailers stocked with toilet paper and paper towels?
>> 
>> I was at Target yesterday, and they had nothing. Zippo. Not even a roll
>> of the most generic off-brand anything.
>> 
>> Is it simply lack of truck and storage and shelf space? The retailers
>> are buying as much as they can fit through their pipeline and it's still
>> not enough?
>> 
>> Why are they not raising prices to meet demand? Surely it's better to
>> have to pay more for something if you really need it, than to be unable
>> to buy it at all? A higher price will also discourgage hoarding.
>> 
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Sunday crack

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Despite the interior upholstery being trashed, it looks pretty solid. Clearly a 
Euro model, as that’s velour, which does not age well.

I wish they didn’t have those darned battering ram bumpers. They really kill 
the lines of the car.

-D

> On Nov 22, 2020, at 3:40 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/indianapolis-1977-mercedes-benz-450sel/7234731951.html
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Re: [MBZ] The meth is strong

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I love how they cleaned it up before taking pictures.

-D

> On Nov 21, 2020, at 7:03 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/673913389935286/
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Re: [MBZ] Self-gratification

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While the W210s are probably the most bulletproof modern Benz, there’s nothing 
like a long wheelbase W126 to cruise in. Wonderful cars, definitely my most 
favorite Mercedes of them all.

-D

> On Nov 21, 2020, at 6:23 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I gratified myself today by first driving a 43yo Benz 280E to the C which 
> was a nice experience. I had not driven a 123 in awhile and this one actually 
> drives pretty well. It was fun, 123s are cool cars. It’s a gasser so that is 
> a new experience. 
> 
> Then this afternoon I cleaned up the 36yo 300SD and took it for a spin around 
> the neighborhood then to the grocery store. The parking lot was full of 
> Yankees driving like fools in their big new SUVs and trying to park them.  A 
> stinky diesel fit in nicely. 
> 
> The 126 just feels like a big comfortable solid cruiser whereas the 123 feels 
> more nimble for fun driving. Different tools for different jobs I guess. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 77 280E at C

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High 70s today, light rain.

-D

> On Nov 21, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 2020-11-21 12:23, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
>> 72F here
> 
> Looks nice here, but not supposed to hit 50 today.
> Lots of 60s and 70s earlier this week.
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Re: [MBZ] Why insurance costs so much

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They cover a lot of weird stuff because they have to.

The really lousing thing is the way they screw you in the fine print. Our 
latest one has been that prescriptions don’t count toward your maximum out of 
pocket. So that means you can go to the hospital and rack up a bill and most of 
it’s paid - but you’re still on the hook for whatever isn’t covered for the 
prescriptions. Think about how many drugs they give someone during a hospital 
stay.

Both of our employers have ditched increases this year and said we should be 
happy because they’re going to absorb the increase in insurance costs. Whatever.

-D

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> Due to recent medial issues I have been reading all the fine print of my 
> employer medial plan.  They cover gender reassignment surgery.  You have to 
> be kidding me.  I guess since my out of pocket has been met for the year, now 
> is my chance to become a woman for free.
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Re: [MBZ] Update on Hildegard, 1982 240D

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Actually, it’s 20mm to get a 10mm clearance. There’s a hole in the middle that 
a pin on the vacuum valve goes in.

-D

> On Nov 20, 2020, at 8:50 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
> 10mm disc that’s used to set the clearance on the throttle lever and the 
> vacuum valve. Not sure there’s a similar setup on the 240D, I don’t know.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 7:11 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On 2020-11-19 21:21, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I’m not sure. Do you adjust the IP to the proper idle and then adjust
>>> the linkage to match?
>> 
>> Let's see, there's a rack stop in the governor, should never be messed with 
>> unless you're a diesel injection shop.
>> 
>> Then there's the rack damper screw, intended to keep the rack from bouncing 
>> at idle. A blind man can adjust that.
>> 
>> I believe there's also a throttle stop on the IP.
>> 
>> Then there's the throttle linkage. My 1979 300SD has a rather specific 
>> procedure for adjusting all of that, and you need a little calibrated nylon 
>> donut for a couple of the steps. I'm not sure how much of that applies to a 
>> 1980s 240D.
>> I don't know where my donut is, I hope it's in the 300SD somewhere. It's not 
>> much bigger than a Hot Wheels tire.
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Re: [MBZ] Update on Hildegard, 1982 240D

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10mm disc that’s used to set the clearance on the throttle lever and the vacuum 
valve. Not sure there’s a similar setup on the 240D, I don’t know.

-D

> On Nov 20, 2020, at 7:11 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020-11-19 21:21, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes wrote:
>> I’m not sure. Do you adjust the IP to the proper idle and then adjust
>> the linkage to match?
> 
> Let's see, there's a rack stop in the governor, should never be messed with 
> unless you're a diesel injection shop.
> 
> Then there's the rack damper screw, intended to keep the rack from bouncing 
> at idle. A blind man can adjust that.
> 
> I believe there's also a throttle stop on the IP.
> 
> Then there's the throttle linkage. My 1979 300SD has a rather specific 
> procedure for adjusting all of that, and you need a little calibrated nylon 
> donut for a couple of the steps. I'm not sure how much of that applies to a 
> 1980s 240D.
> I don't know where my donut is, I hope it's in the 300SD somewhere. It's not 
> much bigger than a Hot Wheels tire.
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Re: [MBZ] It runs but has sat in a garage for approx. 15 years so just needs some bugs worked out.

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That’s great!

The Ghia was the only model VW I never owned but always wanted. nd of course 
the best color was the bright orange - I restored a 1971 convertible that was 
the stock orange color.

Pictures, please!

House of Ghia used to be the go-to for all things Ghia. It’s not the cheapest, 
but the guys who have owned and run it over the years are seriously fanatical 
about quality and correctness of parts, so it’s a great place to go and be sure 
you’re getting high quality stuff.

-D


> On Nov 19, 2020, at 10:46 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> 
> Well I went and looked at this today, and bought it.
> 
> It's really solid, no rust anywhere that I could find, looked at bottom
> of doors, all around the base of the car and underneath fenders and
> underside. The paint is not perfect, some crazing and a few cracks and
> chips here and there. Everything is there trim-wise and lighting.
> 
> Engine and transmission rebuild/replacement is all documented, work done
> by Buggy Works in Martinsville which has been there since I was a kid so
> I assume they know what they are doing.
> 
> Disc brakes front and rear with new calipers.
> 
> Under the rear lid, engine fitted with dual carbs, electronic ignition,
> and an oil cooler with a spin-on filter. New air shrouding all
> around. Battery relocated to the rear also. Engine starts right up but
> splutters a little when you hit the throttle. Guessing the carbs need
> cleaning after sitting for 15 years. The owner did recently drain the
> gas tank and get fresh fuel.
> 
> Under the front lid, a new gas tank. Missing the spare tire though,
> which I will need to find since I think the weight of it is important
> for proper handling. Crazy spaghetti mess of wiring behind the dash
> which I will need to clean up.
> 
> Interior is a little rougher. Floor covering is rubber and has become
> brittle. It was cracking and falling apart as I tried to pull it
> up. Plan is to clean that out, paint the floor pan with POR-15, dynamat
> it, and install a period correct carpet set which I assume can be
> sourced somewhere. Will also want to look for new weatherstripping for
> the doors. Window rubber looks OK.
> 
> The vinyl upholstery on the passenger door has a tear. The driver's door
> upholstery backing board is warped and will need to be replaced. Drivers
> seat has a small tear on the side.
> 
> The dash is wood, not sure if original or someone put that in. In any
> case the finish is totally gone and will need to be redone. Cheap
> aftermarket radio which I'll try to replace with something either better
> or closer to original.
> 
> All in all I'm pretty pleased. Back in the air-cooled world after 30-odd
> years.
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Bloomfield - very rural.
>> 
>> Looks like a really nice deal if the underside is clean.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Non-MB, but German. And Italian I guess.
>>> 
>>> Honestly if it's not rusty, there's not much else to worry about. Engine
>>> is like a big lawn mower. Very simple.
>>> 
>>> https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/bloomfield-1969-volkswagen-karmann-ghia/7232441404.html
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] so I see this car and contact the guy

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Yes, I’m sad to say I believe there are.

https://youtu.be/kXvA6WJrYUo

-D

> On Nov 19, 2020, at 2:11 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Seriously, are there so many stupid people in this world?  When can she look 
> at it?  "OK. "  WTF
> 
> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/chapel-hill-mercedes-benz-es/7233417123.html
> 
> Interested in the E320.  My daughter lives in Chapel Hill, she could come 
> take a look at it if we could make a time
> 
> Ok
> 
> What time might work for you?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1998 S420 Engine has a ticking sound that goes away after driving awhile

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Little to none, I suspect, with maybe some accelerated wear on the lifter faces 
and cam lobes. There’s not enough oil flowing at idle to overcome the lack of 
restriction when the end caps are blown out of the tubes, but once you get 
moving things are better. I wouldn’t leave it that way for an extended period, 
though.

I did a writeup of the job on my SL500 in the R129 forum on Benz World if you 
want to see what’s involved. It’s not a difficult job to do, and while you’re 
in there you can replace the timing chain upper guides, too, as they’re cheap 
and they have to come off anyway.

Here’s the old ham operator’s page covering the job:

https://www.k6jrf.com/MB_lifter.html <https://www.k6jrf.com/MB_lifter.html>

He mentions replacing the breather tubes while you’re there, mainly because 
they’ll be hard as a rock and will break or shatter. The whole set of breather 
tubes are around $150 from the dealer, I think. I have a list of all the parts 
for my R129 and E420, but they may be a little different for your car.

-D

> On Nov 18, 2020, at 6:21 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What damage is expected assuming it's been running that way for a while?
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> You need to find a better source - I’ve seen complete sets *with* the new OE 
>> O rings for under $150. I’ve got a set on the shelf that I ultrasonically 
>> cleaned and installed new O rings on. I’m holding them in reserve for the 
>> E420 if it ever needs them or I feel like changing valve cover seals and 
>> have the engine open.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Nov 18, 2020, at 4:55 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 2020-11-18 14:48, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> Run it with M1 oil for a while to clean the lifters?
>>> 
>>> Needs to have the valve oil feed tubes replaced, about $20 each times 16.
>>> Or you can find a set from one of the early engines that didn't have self 
>>> destructing plastic oil tubes (the end plug falls out because it was not 
>>> cast in one piece)
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-V8-16-PIECES-M119-OILER-Oil-TUBES-ALUMINUM-1191870087-OEM/153976240589
>>> Mitch.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1998 S420 Engine has a ticking sound that goes away after driving awhile

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You need to find a better source - I’ve seen complete sets *with* the new OE O 
rings for under $150. I’ve got a set on the shelf that I ultrasonically cleaned 
and installed new O rings on. I’m holding them in reserve for the E420 if it 
ever needs them or I feel like changing valve cover seals and have the engine 
open.

-D

> On Nov 18, 2020, at 4:55 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020-11-18 14:48, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> Run it with M1 oil for a while to clean the lifters?
> 
> Needs to have the valve oil feed tubes replaced, about $20 each times 16.
> Or you can find a set from one of the early engines that didn't have self 
> destructing plastic oil tubes (the end plug falls out because it was not cast 
> in one piece)
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-V8-16-PIECES-M119-OILER-Oil-TUBES-ALUMINUM-1191870087-OEM/153976240589
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] front/rear axle gear lubes

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Talked to people who have, and they suggest that it’s no better than a bottle.

I like my little pump.

-D

> On Nov 18, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ever try the Amsoil EZ Pack baggies?
> https://www.amsoil.com/p/severe-gear-75w-90-svg/
> 
> On 2020-11-18 08:59, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> This pump, like the cow inseminator, end up being messy as heck. You
>> end up with all sorts of leftover fluid in it and fighting the hoses
>> on both ends.
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Re: [MBZ] look at pic 142

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Coil packs on these V12s are notoriously expensive, as they’re an “all in one” 
setup where if one goes you have to replace the whole assembly that consists of 
six coil packs.

-D

> On Nov 18, 2020, at 11:37 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://carsandbids.com/auctions/3znxv2pj/2007-mercedes-benz-s600
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Re: [MBZ] front/rear axle gear lubes

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This pump, like the cow inseminator, end up being messy as heck. You end up 
with all sorts of leftover fluid in it and fighting the hoses on both ends. 
I’ve used the cow inseminator pump for doing differentials for years, and it’s 
always a mess despite being able to fill a differential in about three uses due 
to the volume it can handle. When I went to the little pump that screws on the 
container it was so, so much easier, especially from a mess standpoint. Yes, 
it’s more labor as far as pumping, but it’s amazingly mess free.

-D

> On Nov 18, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> good idea.  I have a little hand pump in the garage, I think I got it for 
> siphoning gas but I bet it would work for this too, it's like this one
> 
> https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/performance-tool-multi-use-pump-w1145/7071094-p
> 
> I'll give it a try and if not will get one of the pumps you said
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 11/17/20 7:47 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Get one of these from Advance Auto:
>> 
>> https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/performance-tool-fluid-oil-pump-w1139/9016678-P
>> 
>> Far easier to use and much less messy than the cow inseminator. A little 
>> more tedious, but works great and fits regular quart oil bottles as well as 
>> the tall gear oil bottles.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 1:40 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, the ML manual says the transfer case for the ML should be Dexron 3 
>>> or Dexron 2E, I saw the 236 specs in some Benzworld post I think, 
>>> somewhere.  VML says nothing about Dexron specs
>>> 
>>> I have some M1 ATF around I think, only needs 1.5L.
>>> 
>>> I watched this Hoovie vid about changing fluids on his SLS, the mech had a 
>>> cow inseminator, a big syringe looks like it would hold about 2qt, filled 
>>> that with the fluid and had an adapter to pump it into the box.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> On 11/17/20 1:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> Both differentials would be Mobil 1 75W-90 gear oil. I would use Mobil 1 
>>>> “multi vehicle” synthetic ATF in the transfer case. I say that because 
>>>> there is a big difference in viscosity between 236.10 (original 
>>>> recommendation) and 236.14 (current ATF spec). It’s a difference of 7.0 
>>>> for 236.14 and 8.5 with 236.10.
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve been looking at this closely, as I’m changing the fluid in the E320 
>>>> 4Matic and the spec called out is 236.10. The Mobil 1 ATF meets this spec.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am going to change the lubes in the axle diffs on the 163 ML and 211 E, 
>>>>> looks like MB specify for the ML (I did not look up the E, I suppose it 
>>>>> is the same):
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rear Axle SAE 90, 85W90
>>>>> 
>>>>> Front Axle SAE 90
>>>>> 
>>>>> I see 75W90 (Mobil1 Synth, etc.) and 80W90 and some other stuff, but no 
>>>>> straight 90.  I guess I could find some MB fluid for 3X what this stuff 
>>>>> costs but I wonder if the 75W90 would be OK.  I put that in the rear diff 
>>>>> on the 210 E300, I think that was the spec for it.  I have a bottle or 
>>>>> two in the garage, I can buy more easy enough.  Some of the purists say 
>>>>> "use the MB fluid!" and others say it is fine, I am leaning to the latter 
>>>>> as this stuff is probably better than whatever was specced out 15 yr ago.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The transfer case uses the same transmission fluid (well, 236.14 spec 
>>>>> transmission, 236.10 transfer case, Valvoline MaxLife meets both specs) 
>>>>> so I'm good on that.
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] front/rear axle gear lubes

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Get one of these from Advance Auto:

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/performance-tool-fluid-oil-pump-w1139/9016678-P

Far easier to use and much less messy than the cow inseminator. A little more 
tedious, but works great and fits regular quart oil bottles as well as the tall 
gear oil bottles.

-D


> On Nov 17, 2020, at 1:40 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, the ML manual says the transfer case for the ML should be Dexron 3 or 
> Dexron 2E, I saw the 236 specs in some Benzworld post I think, somewhere.  
> VML says nothing about Dexron specs
> 
> I have some M1 ATF around I think, only needs 1.5L.
> 
> I watched this Hoovie vid about changing fluids on his SLS, the mech had a 
> cow inseminator, a big syringe looks like it would hold about 2qt, filled 
> that with the fluid and had an adapter to pump it into the box.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 11/17/20 1:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Both differentials would be Mobil 1 75W-90 gear oil. I would use Mobil 1 
>> “multi vehicle” synthetic ATF in the transfer case. I say that because there 
>> is a big difference in viscosity between 236.10 (original recommendation) 
>> and 236.14 (current ATF spec). It’s a difference of 7.0 for 236.14 and 8.5 
>> with 236.10.
>> 
>> I’ve been looking at this closely, as I’m changing the fluid in the E320 
>> 4Matic and the spec called out is 236.10. The Mobil 1 ATF meets this spec.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am going to change the lubes in the axle diffs on the 163 ML and 211 E, 
>>> looks like MB specify for the ML (I did not look up the E, I suppose it is 
>>> the same):
>>> 
>>> Rear Axle SAE 90, 85W90
>>> 
>>> Front Axle SAE 90
>>> 
>>> I see 75W90 (Mobil1 Synth, etc.) and 80W90 and some other stuff, but no 
>>> straight 90.  I guess I could find some MB fluid for 3X what this stuff 
>>> costs but I wonder if the 75W90 would be OK.  I put that in the rear diff 
>>> on the 210 E300, I think that was the spec for it.  I have a bottle or two 
>>> in the garage, I can buy more easy enough.  Some of the purists say "use 
>>> the MB fluid!" and others say it is fine, I am leaning to the latter as 
>>> this stuff is probably better than whatever was specced out 15 yr ago.
>>> 
>>> The transfer case uses the same transmission fluid (well, 236.14 spec 
>>> transmission, 236.10 transfer case, Valvoline MaxLife meets both specs) so 
>>> I'm good on that.
>>> 
>>> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Pheasant

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

1988-1991 approximately.

Pigeon River valley. Ellwood May Environmental Park. My house was at 3610 
Bonnie Court, right at the bottom center of the map:

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7761536,-87.756805,1217m/data=!3m1!1e3 
<https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7761536,-87.756805,1217m/data=!3m1!1e3>

Used to catch salmon in the Pigeon River as well. Yum. Just a 5 minute walk 
from the house.

-D



> On Nov 17, 2020, at 4:45 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> When was this?
> They all but disappeared around here between 1980 and 2000.
> I still see them, but nowhere near as prevalent as in the 1970s.
> Numbers are up from 20 years ago but I have given up hope of them coming back 
> the way they were.
> 
> But in Iowa and South Dakota it seems like they never went away.
> Mitch.
> 
> On 2020-11-17 14:38, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Boatloads of them around our former house in Sheboygan, WI. House
>> backed onto a nature preserve that was a small valley with a stream.
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Re: [MBZ] It runs but has sat in a garage for approx. 15 years so just needs some bugs worked out.

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

They were a “sports car”, remember?

https://youtu.be/7p90_8JJQUI <https://youtu.be/7p90_8JJQUI>

-D

> On Nov 17, 2020, at 3:04 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ah, that's nice. Didn't know that.
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Ghias had front disks standard. A common upgrade for Beetles was to swap the 
>> front drums for Ghia disks.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:52 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I presume there might be a way to put disk brakes on at least the front?
>>> I hated the drum brakes on my Beetle. Never got the knack for adjusting
>>> them.
>>> 
>>> Allan
>>> 
>>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
>>> 
>>>> Bloomfield - very rural.
>>>> 
>>>> Looks like a really nice deal if the underside is clean.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Non-MB, but German. And Italian I guess.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Honestly if it's not rusty, there's not much else to worry about. Engine
>>>>> is like a big lawn mower. Very simple.
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/bloomfield-1969-volkswagen-karmann-ghia/7232441404.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> Allan
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Pheasant

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Boatloads of them around our former house in Sheboygan, WI. House backed onto a 
nature preserve that was a small valley with a stream. Lots of deer, pheasant, 
wild turkey, etc., etc. There was a trail from the preserve that came up to our 
back yard, and on numerous occasions wild turkey would walk right up the trail 
into our back yard where they would feed on seeds we would toss out there.

The kids loved to see them wandering around in the back yard. It was pretty 
cool.

That was a beautiful bird. Do you do anything with the feathers?

-D

> On Nov 17, 2020, at 3:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I went out again today. Tons of hunters with dogs in the spot I was in 
> yesterday. I skulked around the edges hoping somebody would push one onto 
> me.Around 2:30 everybody jumps in their truck and clears out. I guess all the 
> birds have been shot. I hung around a bit more but didn't see any reason to 
> stay.As I was driving out I spot one hanging by the edge of the road. 10 
> trucks must have driven right by it. Grandpop's 16 gauge strikes again.
> Curt
> 
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> 
>  On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 12:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via 
> Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:   Used 
> to go to Nantucket a lot, those things were all over running wild 
> in the moors.  I'd see them around the house all the time.  I don't know 
> if hunting was allowed or not, but the fam's Springer Spaniel would get 
> out and occasionally come back with one she caught.  They were pretty 
> stupid birds.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 11/17/20 12:31 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> The state of MA supposedly stocks 40,000 pheasants into the wild every year. 
>> They publish an interactive map to show you where and how often (but not 
>> which days) they stock. I figured this was my year to go get some.
>> On the way home from deer camp I grabbed my grandfather's Remington model 31 
>> pump shotgun. Its a 16ga and I already had some shells (good because all the 
>> ammunition is sold out) so I took it. I like carrying that gun, its nice and 
>> light so its easy to keep ready.
>> I'd been out once already early in the season but the spot I had picked was 
>> crawling with hunters so this time I chose a less accessible spot. Pulled up 
>> to park and there was a bird waiting in the road. This presents a problem 
>> since that bird will probably fly before I get close enough. Fortunately 
>> there was another, even stupider bird which hung around a second too 
>> long.https://photos.app.goo.gl/kZ14QLryRDrLSabZ6
>> There were at least 3 more birds, I should have gotten one of them but held 
>> off for a better shot. I should know better and just take the shot that 
>> presents itself. Its kind of amazing how they can disappear into the bush. 
>> That one ran behind a tree and was just gone...
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] It runs but has sat in a garage for approx. 15 years so just needs some bugs worked out.

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Ghias had front disks standard. A common upgrade for Beetles was to swap the 
front drums for Ghia disks.

-D

> On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:52 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I presume there might be a way to put disk brakes on at least the front?
> I hated the drum brakes on my Beetle. Never got the knack for adjusting
> them.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Bloomfield - very rural.
>> 
>> Looks like a really nice deal if the underside is clean.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Non-MB, but German. And Italian I guess.
>>> 
>>> Honestly if it's not rusty, there's not much else to worry about. Engine
>>> is like a big lawn mower. Very simple.
>>> 
>>> https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/bloomfield-1969-volkswagen-karmann-ghia/7232441404.html
>>> 
>>> Allan
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] It runs but has sat in a garage for approx. 15 years so just needs some bugs worked out.

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Newer than the originals.

-D

> On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:48 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> So the motor and transmission are only 15 years old, which makes them new?
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Re: [MBZ] It runs but has sat in a garage for approx. 15 years so just needs some bugs worked out.

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Bloomfield - very rural.

Looks like a really nice deal if the underside is clean.

-D

> On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Non-MB, but German. And Italian I guess.
> 
> Honestly if it's not rusty, there's not much else to worry about. Engine
> is like a big lawn mower. Very simple.
> 
> https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/bloomfield-1969-volkswagen-karmann-ghia/7232441404.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT remember when electronic heath records were thought to be a step forward?

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That’s about as wacky as the Florida law about being able to open carry on your 
way to fishing and back. Hunting, too, which makes sense, but fishing?

-D

> On Nov 17, 2020, at 7:38 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020-11-16 11:32, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> I’m here at the hospital getting my covids trial shot and they don’t
>> allow concealed weapons. I wonder if the M4 would be OK
> 
> In MI, hospitals are on the list of places where you can't conceal by law 
> unless certain law enforcement exemptions apply to you, and you can't carry 
> in those places without a CPL. The unintended consequence of those two laws 
> is that you can open carry in hospitals and schools, but only if you have a 
> concealed pistol license.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Let your Stealer Light the way.

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That or maybe your head is too big? Those blood clots have your head swelling 
up.

-D



> On Nov 17, 2020, at 1:29 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> One of my customers gave me one a while back. It was too tight fitting so I 
> gave it to the wife. Maybe they have different sizes. All this crap just says 
> masks are here to stay forever. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 12:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dealers are now selling MB branded face masks. Got comped for one today 
>> from my dealer, bought one ($7.00) for the youngest son who loves MB bling.
>> 
>> Black with a silver tristar on the side.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Makes sense, the Illuminati started up in Germany shortly before we 
>>> declared independence from England...
>>> Let your German cars be luminous!
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Let your Stealer Light the way.

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Dealers are now selling MB branded face masks. Got comped for one today from my 
dealer, bought one ($7.00) for the youngest son who loves MB bling.

Black with a silver tristar on the side.

-D

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> independence from England...
> Let your German cars be luminous!
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Re: [MBZ] front/rear axle gear lubes

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Both differentials would be Mobil 1 75W-90 gear oil. I would use Mobil 1 “multi 
vehicle” synthetic ATF in the transfer case. I say that because there is a big 
difference in viscosity between 236.10 (original recommendation) and 236.14 
(current ATF spec). It’s a difference of 7.0 for 236.14 and 8.5 with 236.10.

I’ve been looking at this closely, as I’m changing the fluid in the E320 4Matic 
and the spec called out is 236.10. The Mobil 1 ATF meets this spec.

-D

> On Nov 17, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am going to change the lubes in the axle diffs on the 163 ML and 211 E, 
> looks like MB specify for the ML (I did not look up the E, I suppose it is 
> the same):
> 
> Rear Axle SAE 90, 85W90
> 
> Front Axle SAE 90
> 
> I see 75W90 (Mobil1 Synth, etc.) and 80W90 and some other stuff, but no 
> straight 90.  I guess I could find some MB fluid for 3X what this stuff costs 
> but I wonder if the 75W90 would be OK.  I put that in the rear diff on the 
> 210 E300, I think that was the spec for it.  I have a bottle or two in the 
> garage, I can buy more easy enough.  Some of the purists say "use the MB 
> fluid!" and others say it is fine, I am leaning to the latter as this stuff 
> is probably better than whatever was specced out 15 yr ago.
> 
> The transfer case uses the same transmission fluid (well, 236.14 spec 
> transmission, 236.10 transfer case, Valvoline MaxLife meets both specs) so 
> I'm good on that.
> 
> -- 
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] W210 seat heater

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Those are what I was talking about. Getting a hold of those wire loops is 
difficult at best.

-D

> On Nov 16, 2020, at 1:54 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
>> Make sure you have your cluster pulling hooks handy, as they make an 
>> excellent tool for pulling those loops from the seat cover through the pad 
>> while you hook them or insert the nylon wedges.
> 
> Unlike earlier seats, the W210 doesn't have fabric loops.  There are stiff
> wires sewn into ribs on the seat covers, which are grabbed by snap-hooks
> pushed through the pad.  The tools may or may not be useful or necessary
> during reassembly.  I'll know when I get there.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A Life Lesson

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

My Mom and Dad had an irrevocable trust. My brother was the administrator. 
Couldn’t have picked a better one, as he’s a corporate banker and very “black 
and white” when it comes to marching orders. When my Mom passed the trust was 
terminated and the assets distributed to us kids.

As I understood it, Dad formed the trust primarily to hold title to their real 
estate holdings, some that were outside the U.S. Not exactly sure what the 
ramifications were, but knowing my Dad there was a good reason.

-D

> On Nov 16, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Next, pick the Trustee carefully, and each successor Trustee, during the
>> life of the trust.
> 
> Absolutely.  You are effectively choosing a monarch, which works great
> until you get a bad one.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] W210 seat heater

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Jim,

Make sure you have your cluster pulling hooks handy, as they make an excellent 
tool for pulling those loops from the seat cover through the pad while you hook 
them or insert the nylon wedges.

It’s pretty cool how they arrange to get the upholstery to do what it does with 
a bunch of hooks or loops and wedges.

-D

> On Nov 16, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Jill's been driving the 2000 E320 AWD sedan as a replacement for the
> BMW X5.  (Which we still have, for now.)  All's well, and it's wearing a
> brand-new set of studded 16" Hakkapeliittas, but the lack of a
> driver's-seat heater is coming to the fore.  Well, that was the last
> thing on the list, so I guess it's time.
> 
> I removed the driver's seat, and peeled the seatback cover off.  Not
> Easy.  The hardest part was unclipping the plastic hooks that pull the
> cover (via heavy wire sewn into the cover) back against the pad and
> springs.  (I also broke the plastic headrest sockets, as I couldn't
> see how to get them to release.)  The broken seat heater seems to
> start with a fine braided copper wire, looking something like solder
> wick, molded into the foam, which morphs at some point to a thin (30+
> gauge) blue insulated ultra-fine tinned copper stranded wire that
> weaves throughout the foam in the back.  (The blue insulation is thin
> and tough, reminding me of wire-wrap wire rather than the usual soft
> PVC.)  Peeling back the bolster where the cut in the leather was, I
> could see where the wire was broken in that area.  Only one side had
> continuity to one of the terminals, which means there is more than one
> break.  Great.
> 
> The design is bad.  While the serpentine wire is closer to the human
> body, and thus can provide heat quicker and over a larger area than
> the older separate heating pads, it's very vulnerable to damage, and a
> poor design choice for long-term reliability.  I think that only the
> W210 used this kind of design, and they went back to separate pads in
> subsequent models.  I think that if they'd used wire of twice the
> gauge, and twice the length, that it would have held up to the
> physical stress much better.
> 
> I chased the wire around the offending outboard bolster, using a razor
> blade to cut it out of the pad, and found all the breaks.  Cutting out the
> bad spot and soldering the ends together works well.  I had one break
> to repair, and one accidental cut.  After that the whole panel had continuity,
> and seemed to heat well when hooked to the (larger) bench power supply.
> I'm running a 5A test current.  I used duct tape to secure the wire back
> into the pad.
> 
> While it was 'burning in', I turned the seat cover inside out at the
> tear (that was over the heater break) and got the lips of the tear
> closed up.  I used duct tape to secure the face into position, then
> cut a piece of chamois cloth (leather-like, tough, water tolerant) to
> cover the tear.  I used black weatherstrip cement to cover the
> chamois, then pressed it into place over the tear on the back side.  I
> then sandwiched the repair between two small anvils to press it flat
> while the glue dried.
> 
> During all this the current through the heater became intermittent,
> chopping in and out, and gradually getting worse.  Arcing?  Eventually
> it failed altogether.  Not Good!  This does not bode well for a
> semi-permanent repair.
> 
> The tear repair looked pretty good the next day, I guess we'll see how
> (if?) it holds up with time.  There is a worse tear at the piping of
> the side seam that I still have to figure out what to do with.
> 
> I began chasing down the new break in the heater.  The problem lay
> between the two earlier repairs, in the high-stress bolster, so I
> began cutting more wire out of the pad between them.  I eventually
> found a slightly discolored place that seemed to be the new break.  I
> cut it out and stripped back the ends and soldered them.  (The wire is
> embedded in a wavy pattern, so it's easy to get a little slack to work
> with.)  Once repaired I could again apply the 5A burn-in current,
> we'll let it cook for the day.
> 
> Assuming it passes testing I still have to re-assemble the seat back,
> then do the same thing to the bottom cushion.
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Re: [MBZ] OT remember when electronic heath records were thought to be a step forward?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Potentially. But why give that information up anyway? As far as one’s health 
why would the presence (or lack thereof) have an effect on my health?

-D

> On Nov 16, 2020, at 11:48 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Somehow I can't help but think the answer to the "firearms in the house" 
> question would not remain between me and my doctor.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 8:41 PM
> To: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> Cc: Allan Streib 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT remember when electronic heath records were thought to 
> be a step forward?
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> “Do you have any firearms in your house?”
> 
> "Why yes I do, would you like me to bring one to my next appointment?"
> 
> Wonder how that would go over.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Leah Remini

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

They have a “center” in Ybor City, which is a vibrant night life/tourista sort 
of area in Tampa. They used to stand out on the sidewalk and approach people as 
they walked by, but so many people were abusive to them that they don’t do it 
any more. The place is still open, I believe, but they’re not recruiting 
outside of the building.

Again, driving through downtown Clearwater is simply creepy. It’s like a ghost 
town with their “Sea Org” people wandering the streets.

-D

> On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:41 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It’s completely crazy. I can see how people can get sucked into it, there are 
> a lot of people out there who have needs I guess. The money aspect is wild. 
> 
> My former wife told me that before I knew her, she was living in Boston a few 
> doors down from where the CoS had a building. They were always out trolling 
> for people, inviting them in for a meal and lecture. Being a college student 
> or shortly after, no money, she did that, free meal hey why not. After a few 
> hours (once in, you stayed) she tried to leave and they wouldn’t let her, 
> doors were locked (Fire code???).  After some tussle and creating A Scene she 
> finally got them to let her out. Scared the hell out of her. Wild stuff. 
> 
> I worked with this guy who had some occasional interaction with L Ron. He 
> told me that he had discussed this Scientology thing with LRon, who said the 
> whole thing was this giant hack he kinda did as some sci fi kind of mental 
> exercise (LRon wrote a lot of kitschy sci-fi novels, nothing very good but 
> sorta entertaining) just to see if he could get people to do it, invent some 
> sort of religion, and it really surprised him when it took off for real. I 
> guess LRon decided to roll with it, kinda live in this fantasy he created. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2020, at 8:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would also add that our long lost list buddy, Bill Wachmuth, lives in the 
>> town where Miscavige’s wife is supposedly being “held” at a remote 
>> Scientology facility. He and Ruth Ann have seen her around town with her 
>> “handlers”.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2020, at 8:10 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m watching this series on Netflix by this woman Leah Remini who was quite 
>>> involved in Scientology then ran off. She did this series about it. It is 
>>> totally crazy, like really seriously whacked out crazy.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT remember when electronic heath records were thought to be a step forward?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Interesting. Our internist’s practice is heavy in geriatrics, but we aren’t at 
the point of being eligible for Medicare, so unless they’ve adopted it across 
the board that wouldn’t apply to us.

-D

> On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:08 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> I thought they were Medicare questions because that is when i started getting 
> asked.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 8:08 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> This isn’t exactly dealing with electronic records, but….
> 
> Our long time internist’s practice was recently bought out by a major 
> healthcare provider. For the most part it’s been pretty transparent and 
> little has changed, which is nice. However…
> 
> During your triage or interview with the receiving nurse when you go for your 
> annual physical, they have a series of “mental wellness” questions, like, 
> “Are you happy with your life?” or “Do you feel centered?” (whatever the heck 
> that means!) and other touchy-feely sort of crap like that. The nurse started 
> down that road with me and I got ugly with her. “But sir, it’s part of your 
> whole self wellness evaluation”
> 
> Nope. Not answering those questions. And back out the ones you started with, 
> dear.
> 
> I stood over her at the computer for a minute and watched her remove my 
> responses to the first question she had asked. No different than the, “Do you 
> have any firearms in your house?” question they used to ask. “I don’t know, 
> do you?” After that response my internist must have redlined that question as 
> I've never gotten it again.
> 
> Geez.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Nov 15, 2020, at 7:53 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > The office I go to has been on electronic records for about 15 years now. I 
> > hadn't been in for a long time so the last time I went they did a full 
> > review of medications. The had me listed as "Currently Taking" every drug 
> > they had ever prescribed for me. That included 5(!) different blood 
> > pressure, 2 different cholesterol, and the same blood thinner but twice. 
> > They also thought I was taking MASSIVE doses of vicodin every day because 
> > I'd been prescribed it when I broke my wrist and then had re-upped that 
> > prescription. 
> > 
> > Nobody seemed to question that I would be taking all those drugs. I gave 
> > the doc a really hard time about it, "Wouldn't I be dead? Wouldn't that 
> > cause your governing body to ask some uncomfortable questions?"
> > -Curt
> > 
> >On Saturday, November 14, 2020, 6:15:52 PM EST, Allan Streib via 
> > Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:  
> > 
> > Can't say that is the case here. Clipboard and stack of papers when you
> > check in is still the routine. You're always treated like someone
> > they've never encountered before.
> > 
> > One office had converted it to a web page that you could fill out from
> > your phone, but it was so laughably bad I asked for paper after about 5
> > minutes of struggling with it.
> > 
> > Allan
> > 
> > OK Don via Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> 
> > writes:
> > 
> >> I now no longer have to fill out complete histories, immunization records,
> >> medications, etc., etc., every time I'm referred to another doc - they all
> >> have the electronic record in front of them, and come into the room having
> >> already read it, knowing what the issue is.
> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Leah Remini

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I would also add that our long lost list buddy, Bill Wachmuth, lives in the 
town where Miscavige’s wife is supposedly being “held” at a remote Scientology 
facility. He and Ruth Ann have seen her around town with her “handlers”.

-D

> On Nov 15, 2020, at 8:10 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m watching this series on Netflix by this woman Leah Remini who was quite 
> involved in Scientology then ran off. She did this series about it. It is 
> totally crazy, like really seriously whacked out crazy. 
> 
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] OT Leah Remini

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

She did two seasons of it and really ragged on them big time. They’ve got it 
out for her like you can’t imagine.

They’re right over in Clearwater and have pretty much killed the city. They own 
most of the property downtown and don’t do anything with it because they got 
pissed at the city a few years ago when the city wouldn’t sell them a piece of 
land they wanted. Their followers set up all sorts of shell corporations and 
have been systematically buying up all the real estate.

It’s creepy. If you venture downtown all you see are their creepy converts 
walking around in their black pants, white shirts and vests. They look like 
zombies.

If you’ve got the time go to the St. Pete Times web site and read everything 
they’ve written on them. Leah’s not kidding.

This is a really good article on how they’ve bought up all the real estate 
downtown:

https://projects.tampabay.com/projects/2019/investigations/scientology-clearwater-real-estate/
 


More general topics:

https://www.tampabay.com/special-reports/2019/10/17/scientology-the-truth-rundown/
 


https://whyweprotest.wikia.org/wiki/St._Petersburg_Times 


If you hit the paywall for the Times, copy and paste the article URL into 
Outline https://outline.com/  and it will give you the 
article text.

-D



> On Nov 15, 2020, at 8:10 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> 
> I’m watching this series on Netflix by this woman Leah Remini who was quite 
> involved in Scientology then ran off. She did this series about it. It is 
> totally crazy, like really seriously whacked out crazy. 
> 
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] OT remember when electronic heath records were thought to be a step forward?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This isn’t exactly dealing with electronic records, but….

Our long time internist’s practice was recently bought out by a major 
healthcare provider. For the most part it’s been pretty transparent and little 
has changed, which is nice. However…

During your triage or interview with the receiving nurse when you go for your 
annual physical, they have a series of “mental wellness” questions, like, “Are 
you happy with your life?” or “Do you feel centered?” (whatever the heck that 
means!) and other touchy-feely sort of crap like that. The nurse started down 
that road with me and I got ugly with her. “But sir, it’s part of your whole 
self wellness evaluation”

Nope. Not answering those questions. And back out the ones you started with, 
dear.

I stood over her at the computer for a minute and watched her remove my 
responses to the first question she had asked. No different than the, “Do you 
have any firearms in your house?” question they used to ask. “I don’t know, do 
you?” After that response my internist must have redlined that question as I've 
never gotten it again.

Geez.

-D

> On Nov 15, 2020, at 7:53 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The office I go to has been on electronic records for about 15 years now. I 
> hadn't been in for a long time so the last time I went they did a full review 
> of medications. The had me listed as "Currently Taking" every drug they had 
> ever prescribed for me. That included 5(!) different blood pressure, 2 
> different cholesterol, and the same blood thinner but twice. They also 
> thought I was taking MASSIVE doses of vicodin every day because I'd been 
> prescribed it when I broke my wrist and then had re-upped that prescription. 
> 
> Nobody seemed to question that I would be taking all those drugs. I gave the 
> doc a really hard time about it, "Wouldn't I be dead? Wouldn't that cause 
> your governing body to ask some uncomfortable questions?"
> -Curt
> 
>On Saturday, November 14, 2020, 6:15:52 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Can't say that is the case here. Clipboard and stack of papers when you
> check in is still the routine. You're always treated like someone
> they've never encountered before.
> 
> One office had converted it to a web page that you could fill out from
> your phone, but it was so laughably bad I asked for paper after about 5
> minutes of struggling with it.
> 
> Allan
> 
> OK Don via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> I now no longer have to fill out complete histories, immunization records,
>> medications, etc., etc., every time I'm referred to another doc - they all
>> have the electronic record in front of them, and come into the room having
>> already read it, knowing what the issue is.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A Life Lesson

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Is there anything that involves a lawyer that doesn’t enrich them?

Where’s Gay Larry when you need him?

-D

> On Nov 15, 2020, at 7:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Probate is such a scam. When my uncle Reg died it took like 3 years to get 
> everything distributed even though nobody challenged anything.
> As far as I can tell the whole probate process exists to enrich probate 
> lawyers.
> -Curt
> 
>On Saturday, November 14, 2020, 7:31:25 PM EST, OK Don via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> When my father died in 2012, I was the trustee. Probate took a little more
> than a year before I could disburse the funds to my siblings. The lawyer
> who helped us with the probate process (an old friend) recommended that we
> get a trust in place to save our kids from the probate hassle. even with
> the "old friend" discount, getting a trust in place, turn-key, with another
> lawyer cost almost exactly the same as the probate process, and it's all
> paid in advance - no cost to our kids to execute the instructions in the
> trust - even the lawyer is paid for, should he be needed. I thought it was
> a heck of a deal.
> 
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 5:55 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you all for your kind thoughts.
>> Peter, good idea on the trust.  My mother did that and it might make sense
>> for me too.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Peter Frederick via Mercedes
>> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:53 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Peter Frederick 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A Life Lesson
>> 
>> So sorry to hear about your wife's passing.  It's never fun.  My Mom is
>> almost 97, so it's only a matter of time.
>> 
>> I recommend talking to an estate attorney once you have things settled.  It
>> is far better to have a trust set up than to go through probate, to say
>> nothing of less expensive.  There are also advantages if you need home
>> health care in the future.  A friend of mine had one heck of a time when
>> her
>> father passed away (an estate attorney who didn't set up his own) and
>> got everything put the way she wanted it.  When she unexpectedly passed
>> away
>> 5 years ago everything went fine other than the fact that we all lost her.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Going home today

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That sort of sucks. You’ll probably be on blood thinners now?

-D

> On Nov 15, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nope, no definite reason could be found to correct so I am at high risk for a 
> recovering event. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 15, 2020, at 12:30 PM, dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Good news - that you’re going home.
>> 
>> Any idea of how these occurred or what might have caused them?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I should be released from the hospital today. Dr showed me my CT and the 
>>> clots were very severe. Said if I had waited another hour before coming in 
>>> I probably would have dropped dead. 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A Life Lesson

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Plain probate. Wills, durable power of attorneys, etc., etc. There’s far more 
to it, but in general it’s what most people need for it to be done right. And 
that’s for a couple (two people.) He does a complete review of assets and how 
they’re held, gets all the familia details down, inventory of property, etc., 
etc. It’s pretty thorough.

A trust is about twice that much or more depending on how complicated it will 
be.

I don’t know how competitive the costs are compared to other attorneys - our 
guy is both a probate and tax attorney, which is why we chose him. I suspect if 
you do it with someone who practices only in probate it might be a little 
cheaper, but in the long run, who cares if you want to be sure things are right?

-D

> On Nov 15, 2020, at 3:17 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Dan wrote:
> 
>> We have a trust set up in order to essentially bypass probate and convey all 
>> of our belongings, etc., to our children upon our passing. However, I would 
>> warn anyone considering a trust that they can be expensive and complex to 
>> set up. Our probate attorney typically doesn’t recommend them unless you’ve 
>> got more than $500k in assets. We didn’t when ours was set up, but it’s how 
>> we wanted things done, so we bit the bullet and spent the money for peace of 
>> mind.
>> 
>> To give you an idea, our probate attorney charges about $2k to do a husband 
>> and wife’s wills, durable power of attorney, and all the related paperwork. 
>> He has a 25 page form you have to fill out in advance of him doing any of 
>> the work, and you meet at least once after the form is turned in to review 
>> everything. Don’t rely on a “do it yourself” will or something like that, as 
>> it’s not worth the potential headaches it could cause for your heirs. We’re 
>> comfortable that things will go as we want them to when we’re gone.
>> -D
> 
> Is that $2K for probate or a trust?
> THanks,
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A Life Lesson

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That is the real beauty of a trust. Everything is pretty much transparent to 
the heirs, and it’s a fairly simple matter for the trustee to execute the 
process for probate.

-D

> On Nov 14, 2020, at 7:30 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> When my father died in 2012, I was the trustee. Probate took a little more
> than a year before I could disburse the funds to my siblings. The lawyer
> who helped us with the probate process (an old friend) recommended that we
> get a trust in place to save our kids from the probate hassle. even with
> the "old friend" discount, getting a trust in place, turn-key, with another
> lawyer cost almost exactly the same as the probate process, and it's all
> paid in advance - no cost to our kids to execute the instructions in the
> trust - even the lawyer is paid for, should he be needed. I thought it was
> a heck of a deal.
> 
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 5:55 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you all for your kind thoughts.
>> Peter, good idea on the trust.  My mother did that and it might make sense
>> for me too.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Peter Frederick via Mercedes
>> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:53 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Peter Frederick 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A Life Lesson
>> 
>> So sorry to hear about your wife's passing.  It's never fun.  My Mom is
>> almost 97, so it's only a matter of time.
>> 
>> I recommend talking to an estate attorney once you have things settled.  It
>> is far better to have a trust set up than to go through probate, to say
>> nothing of less expensive.  There are also advantages if you need home
>> health care in the future.  A friend of mine had one heck of a time when
>> her
>> father passed away (an estate attorney who didn't set up his own) and
>> got everything put the way she wanted it.  When she unexpectedly passed
>> away
>> 5 years ago everything went fine other than the fact that we all lost her.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A Life Lesson

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We have a trust set up in order to essentially bypass probate and convey all of 
our belongings, etc., to our children upon our passing. However, I would warn 
anyone considering a trust that they can be expensive and complex to set up. 
Our probate attorney typically doesn’t recommend them unless you’ve got more 
than $500k in assets. We didn’t when ours was set up, but it’s how we wanted 
things done, so we bit the bullet and spent the money for peace of mind.

To give you an idea, our probate attorney charges about $2k to do a husband and 
wife’s wills, durable power of attorney, and all the related paperwork. He has 
a 25 page form you have to fill out in advance of him doing any of the work, 
and you meet at least once after the form is turned in to review everything. 
Don’t rely on a “do it yourself” will or something like that, as it’s not worth 
the potential headaches it could cause for your heirs. We’re comfortable that 
things will go as we want them to when we’re gone.

-D

> On Nov 14, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thank you all for your kind thoughts.
> Peter, good idea on the trust.  My mother did that and it might make sense
> for me too. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Peter Frederick via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:53 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Peter Frederick 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A Life Lesson
> 
> So sorry to hear about your wife's passing.  It's never fun.  My Mom is
> almost 97, so it's only a matter of time.
> 
> I recommend talking to an estate attorney once you have things settled.  It
> is far better to have a trust set up than to go through probate, to say
> nothing of less expensive.  There are also advantages if you need home
> health care in the future.  A friend of mine had one heck of a time when her
> father passed away (an estate attorney who didn't set up his own) and
> got everything put the way she wanted it.  When she unexpectedly passed away
> 5 years ago everything went fine other than the fact that we all lost her.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cheepchinee plasticrap

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That and it’s a really common part, too, and not terribly expensive. Sort of 
like keeping a brake light switch on the shelf.

-D

> On Nov 14, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yep, btdt. Probably a good idea to just replace it as soon as you get a car. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So I was on my way home in the (now) $720 05ML500 and noticed the AC quit 
>> working and the steering was hard. $h1t. Battery light was on and the temp 
>> needle was climbing too. I was only like 3mi from home some got on home, 
>> temp did not get in red but it was up there close. The electric fan was 
>> getting a workout, glad the battery was good  It was sorta rainy and getting 
>> dark but I discerned the serpentine belt had let go. 
>> 
>> Got a new one today to put on and noticed the little plastic idler pulley 
>> had lost one side ridge so basically the belt just walked off and ripped 
>> itself in two for about a foot or so. 
>> 
>> I remembered I had a couple I had bought for the $500 99E300 so dug around 
>> and found them, exact same part. Yay me. Got that on, got the belt on (had 
>> to go look at the salvage 03E500 to see how it routed) and farred that mutha 
>> up, all was good. 
>> 
>> That was my Benzing so far today. I think I’m going to crawl around under 
>> the front of it to see if I can tell what the clunk in the front axleS might 
>> be. The skeeters are vicious today though. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A Life Lesson

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m so sorry to hear that, Scott. Please accept my condolences.

While it’s little consolation, it’s good to know things were set up in advance 
so as to minimize the hassle and confusion that often occurs when a loved one 
passes. It’s important to make sure the family knows your wishes in advance, as 
people often think a will takes care of this. It does not. Wills don’t come 
into play until well after one passes in most cases.

We both have very detailed instructions for what is to occur upon our passing. 
There are the legal things that our attorney has taken care of as well as more 
informal things we’ve written down and put in a place easily accessible to each 
other and our children. Once these are done it’s easy to maintain them should 
anything change.

We had a similar situation in a previous generation where a surviving sibling 
who was not included in their sister’s estate tied things up in court for 
several years and got almost nothing when it was all said and done. Ironically, 
they were a very successful business owner who had no need for the money - the 
only people who made out well in that situation were the probate attorneys.

-D

> On Nov 14, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> SWMBO recently turned 90 (I'm a few years behind).  Except for A-Fib, she
> was in generally good health but experienced nausea a few times a month
> after dinner, which usually passed in a few hours or by morning.  Two weeks
> ago she got sicker and sicker until she agreed to go to the ER.  A CT scan
> showed her stomach had twisted and moved in a way that stopped blood flow to
> part of her stomach; that tissue died and ruptured.  Emergency surgery
> (within hours) repaired the damage but she died later that day.  The
> suddenness of her death stunned me.
> 
> 
> 
> I learned a few things.  My wife's final wishes were well known (to me and
> our children) and she wrote her complete eulogy, obituary, and memorial
> service 10 years ago.  This made "first things" incredibly easy.  Almost all
> of our assets have survivor rights or named beneficiaries and my wife's will
> makes me executor which simplifies many things too.
> 
> 
> 
> But the lesson is that life is fragile.  The end can come suddenly with no
> warning.  You will do your family a huge favor by making provisions for
> final arrangements and financial management.  In my own family (a previous
> generation) surviving siblings severed ties for life because of a
> disagreement over funeral arrangements.  
> 
> 
> 
> Personally, I will now make pre-need final arrangements and also hire a
> trusted local professional to execute my will.  
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hmmm. Not what I'd expect to find in rural Kentucky.

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Potter & Brumfield. Biggest relay manufacturers around, at leas they used to be.

Nice town.

-D

> On Nov 13, 2020, at 1:26 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have relatives in that area and have visited Princeton.  My auntie lived 
> there a long time.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 11/13/20 1:16 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> https://westky.craigslist.org/cto/d/princeton-1959-and-1960-mercedes-benz/7228781253.html
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[MBZ] Nice E320

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https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/lakeland-one-owner-pristine-mercedes/7230210435.html
 


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