Re: [MBZ] OT: Best Porches
Best porches? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz82fjXqFQ4 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] CEL - '92 2.6 190e
If I understand correctly, the EGR and the O2 sensor are the only devices that trip the CEL, right? Any thoughts on where to start troubleshooting? Or do I just replace the O2 sensor and the EGR? Thanks in advance, Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Aluminum Thermal Expansion
On Feb 18, 2010, at 4:11 AM, Peter T. Arnold wrote: THank-you Craig. Even my friend Google could not find the data. On 2/17/2010 11:08 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:10:41 + (UTC) pm7...@comcast.net wrote: MAybe some one can help an old fellow who studied this 40 years ago and that hit CONTROL-ALT-DELETE on his brain at a Keg-101 class the next day. MAterial: common Aluminum Casting such as A356 I bore a hole 1. in it at 50° The temperature goes to 100° What size is the hole? The key point to remember is that EVERYTHING in the casting expands at the same rate. The thermal expansion coefficient for aluminum is 12.3 x 10^-6 in/in deg.F. So for a temperature change of 50 deg.F., the expansion is 12.3E-6 x 50 = 6.15E-4 in/in. A 1. inch hole, then, will expand to 1.000614 inch. Craig If we discount the expansion of the drill. The thermal effects of boring a hole are MUCH more complex than just the coefficient of expansion of the workpiece material. Hadleigh Castings quotes A356 T61 at 11.9 x 10^-6 in/in deg F. from 68-212 deg F. http://www.hadleighcastings.com/uploads/A356.0%20Alloy%20Detail.pdf Higher temp results in higher coefficients of LINEAR expansion. And remember, as the workpiece material heats up, the hole gets smaller, not larger. The material expands in all directions. So your 1. drill is growing as it heats and the material that you're drilling is also growing. I suspect that when you're all done, and return to 50 deg F your 1. hole will measure closer to 1.0020. (It won't be round either.) $32 will get the article: linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/ S0890695501000475 The effects of thermal distortions on the diameter and cylindricity of dry drilled holes Abstract A model is developed to predict the effects of thermal distortion of the drill and workpiece on the diameter and cylindricity of dry drilled holes. Experiments using embedded thermocouples verify that the model predicts the flow of heat into the workpiece and into the drill reasonably well. The model predicts that thermal expansion of the drill is the dominant effect and leads to oversized holes with diameters that increase with depth. Me? I'm too far removed from that life. Now, I just need the the hole to be round and the right size. To get there, you drill undersize and ream/hone to correct diameter. With lots of coolant. Manufacturing engineering job was 20 years ago. Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One of the problems with being an amateur mechanic etc
My second example relates to a DeWalt jigsaw. I bought it a couple of years ago when I thought my son had managed to lose one that I have had for a long time. The old one showed up and as a result I did not make much use of the new one. I was not happy with it when I did and assumed maybe I had the wrong blades for it. It turns out that I have the right blades and I suspect the saw is defective. Everytime I try to use it, it bends the blade. I took it back and explained and asked them to help but they no longer have that model and thus declined. I cannot take it to the shop for repair as it would likely cost about what I paid for it to have it fixed. So, I am faced with tearing it apart to see if I can determine what is wrong with it. Grrr! I'd contact DeWalt directly. They have a decent reputation and seem to work to maintain it. Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] iBook deaths
On Jan 18, 2010, at 6:06 PM, Redghost wrote: 14 ibook with 1.33ghz G4, no PMU reset switch, can do PRAM, but no effect. Used install disk, but all I got was the Apple logo, no spin, then it just froze. Tried Apple Hardware test disk, but no boot, just goes to Open Firmware error. clay Pull the SO-DIMM under the Airport card. Try booting on the 256 mb of on-board ram only. Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Your tax dollars at work
Better examples http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=DA31FD9EFF1BF0BA There's a Lockheed version too, but it's just another boat Jim (biased. Former GD engineer) On Jan 6, 2010, at 10:11 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN- ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Thanks for sharing. Unfortunately the cost for the first one has exceeded $500 million, not $55 million, and projections for future hull costs aren't going to be anywhere close to original plans. When I was off shore on the West Coast, early 90's, there's a location from which mysterious vessels launched and recovered at night (it was rumored). Probably predecessors to this ship. True test will be when one gets hit by a bomb, missile, or mine, and we find out if there's enough Sailors on board to put out the fires and stop the flooding. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of relng...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:45 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Your tax dollars at work http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/6QlDvm/rense.com/general89/nav.htm RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 190e dash vents
that won't close. Which is kinda a problem when it's 20 deg F outside. The levers that are supposed to close them do nothing. Any suggestions for repair without removing the dash? Does anyone have a scan of the parts book that will show me the relevant pieces? As always, thanks in advance. Jim Arnott Union, OR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190e dash vents
Ya, they're all borked. Kaleb is sending a replacement center section. The others don't really matter much this time of year. I pulled the center vents out and got the doors closed so at least there's no 20 deg gale through the car now. Thanks for your help. Jim On Jan 3, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Sheesh ALL your vents are stuck? The side vents should give warm air anyway... I've never had a side one apart but the center segment is held in by a screw thats BEHIND one of the switches which is a super PITA because the switches are ment to come out from behind... I had to destroy the old plate (which was already broken..) to get it out... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 190e dash vents
that won't close. Which is kinda a problem when it's 20 deg F outside. The levers that are supposed to close them do nothing. Any suggestions for repair without removing the dash? Does anyone have a scan of the parts book that will show me the relevant pieces? As always, thanks in advance. Jim Arnott Union, OR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190e dash vents
Good plan. Looks like the center vents just snap in. http://img.eautopartscatalog.com/hires/W01331632931OES.JPG?width=300height=300 Pop 'em out and maybe I can see what's going on. This looks a little more challenging: http://img.eautopartscatalog.com/hires/W01331623053OES.JPG?width=300height=300 Wonder how it comes loose? Thanks for the suggestion. Jim On Jan 2, 2010, at 7:34 PM, harry watkins wrote: Jim, Go to Rusty's online site, buymbparts.biz and you can see some of it. Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One must ask Why?
My guess would be Hydraulics. Jim - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Interpreter? http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1498514925.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Triple square
While we're on the subject 2.6 head bolts. What size XZN? 8 mm? 10 mm? It IS XZN, right? I want to do the head gasket this weekend and I've never had a Mercedes cam cover off before. What am I going to find in there? Any other 'might not be in the toolbox' tools that I ought to know about? Thanks in advance. Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Yet another 2.6 question
Head bolts: 8 mm or 10 mm triple square? (XZN) TIA, Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cleaning the cooling system
On Nov 28, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Rick Knoble wrote: From: Jim Arnott j...@wetwesties.org This isn't a secret, right? http://web.archive.org/web/20060427105508/mb.braingears.com/201_Chassis.htm You guys know about this, right? IIRC, it used to be a pay website. I am surprised MBUSA hasn't shut it down. Rick web.archive.com is the Wayback Machine. Good luck closing it down. Might as well try to shut Google.com down. Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cleaning the cooling system
Thank you all. Detergent followed by citrus cleaner after repair. So be it. Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cleaning the cooling system
Thank you. Printed and added to repair notes. Jim On Nov 27, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:37:05 -0500 Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net wrote: Be carefull what you use for Detergent, it should be non foaming. A few tablespoons of TSP in fresh water will do the deed. Drive about 20 miles for max cleaning and flush it out. Follow by citric acid cleaning. And note that citric acid is NOT the same thing as citrus cleaner! You really want citric acid. BTW. The factory manual, Section 20-015, says, == A. De-oiling 1. Completely drain cooling system. 2. Remove thermostat element and set heater lever to warm. 3. Fill cooling system with a 5% solution of water and P3 Standard (made by Henkel) (50 grams P3 / liter of water). Attention: On vehicles with ALUMINUM RADIATOR, a neutral cleaner such as P3 Croni (made by Henkel) or Grisiorn 7220 (made by Farbwerke Hoechst) must be used instead of the heavily alcaline [sic] cleaner P3 Standard. 4. Run engine warm at medium speed up to approx. 80 deg.C (176 deg.F) and hold this temperature for about 5 minutes. 5. Stop engine and permit cooling system to cool down to approx. 50 deg.C (122 deg.F). 6. Completely drain solution. 7. Immediately thereafter, fill cooling system twice with fresh water, run warm (approx. 5 minutes) and drain. B. Decalcification, derusting. ATTENTION! Prior to decalcification, BE SURE to de-oil cooling system, even if there is no visible oiling-up. 1. After second fluching job during de-oiling, fill cooling system with a 10% (100 g/l) solution of water and citric acid, tartaric acid or oxalic acid (sold by the chemical trade), while giving preference to citric acid. 2. Run engine warm at medium speed up to approx. 80 deg.C (176 deg.F) and hold for approx. 10 minutes at this temperature. 3. Stop engine and permit to cool down to approx. 50 deg.C (122 deg.F). 4. Completely drain decalcification solution. 5. Flush cooling system at least three times with fresh water, while running engine for at least 5 minutes with each flushing charge. Badly calcified cooling systems may require a repetition of the treatment. Always prepare a fresh decalcification solution and repeat flushing steps. 6. Install thermostat element with a new seal. 7. Fill the cooling system with specified coolant specification for service products page 310 to 325). NOTE: For decalcification and derusting, commercial products named with the acids nemed [sic] above may also be used. Chromic acid or products containing chromates are prohibited by sewage regulations. = == Pay attention that you do NOT drive your car with the thermostat removed. Benz engines do not cool properly with the thermostat removed. Some people have used old thermostats that have been wedged completely open with a short piece of brass tubing (like a shell casing). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cleaning the cooling system
This isn't a secret, right? http://web.archive.org/web/20060427105508/mb.braingears.com/201_Chassis.htm I managed to suck up all but about 100 pages of the factory manual here. You guys know about this, right? Jim On Nov 27, 2009, at 8:27 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:23:21 -0600 harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net wrote: Same here, that's a keeper, thanks. You're welcome. I hadn't sent it earlier because of the amount of typing, but in between batches of turkey soup I decided to give it a go. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apostrophes [was: Re: Rotten egg smell from battery?]
If there break's fail, then their going to run off the end of they're road. If where lucky, we can figure out were there at. Sorry, I couldn't resist. On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:12:56 -0500 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: So if I loose my break's or the petal's I shouldnt report that using apostrophe's? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Cleaning the cooling system
We have a plan Looks like the head gasket replace on the 2.6 190e is going to happen next weekend (Dec 4). With a cooling system that is well oiled, what is the list wisdom regarding cooling system cleaning? Before or after the replace? Suggested products? (With as much oil as there is in this system, Tide might be a good choice.) I live where it hard freezes at night, so I think I'm either going to need some thing that works with coolant or I'm going to need something that works right now. BTW, dau #2 effing loves the car. Thanks in advance. Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car ID
Thank you sir. Jim On Nov 17, 2009, at 8:16 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: The crushed car is a VW Crossfox built in Brazil ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car ID
Looks like a Smart to me Jim On Nov 15, 2009, at 8:42 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Not a Smart, is it? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car ID
I stand myself corrected. It is indeed a Scion xD. http://www.scion.com/nextgen/ Tail lights and fuel filler match. Jim On Nov 15, 2009, at 8:42 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Not a Smart, is it? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Yet another 190e question - oil pressure sender
Where might the oil pressure sender be located on a '92 190e w/ a 2.6 motor? TIA, Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Shop manual 190e
Thanks to the Wayback Machine and braingears.com I have an almost complete factory manual (thanks to employer for providing me a duplexing laser printer!) for this new to me 190. I am missing only section 35 - Rear Axle. If this is a verboten topic please say so. If not Does anyone have a pdf of that section of the 124/201 shop manual that they could share? TIA, Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New member intro and 190e question or two
I really didn't intend to start a food fight So, as of 5 pm PST this evening I'm the proud owner of a '92 190e 2.6 with scum in the cooling system. I will order off a head set (locally. I believe in supporting local businesses) and we'll rip it apart in a couple weeks and see what we see. Thanks to all who responded with educational comments. Looks like we're off on another learning experience. If anyone who's BTDT want to toss pointers this way, I'll gladly accept the advise. As a side note, one listmember commented, all of those motors seep some oil into the coolant. What is it about German motors and head gaskets? The VWs I drive also have a weak cylinder head sealing interface Go figure. Thanks, and again, sorry about precipitating a ruckus. Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] New member intro and 190e question or two
Good evening folks, I am Jim Arnott, a long time VW owner (and list admin for a bunch of VW lists) and possibly a new used Mercedes owner. I live in NE Oregon and have been driving/repairing VWs most of my life. I have an opportunity to pick up a '92 190e 2.6 for not a lot of money. I have a single mom daughter that needs wheels and saving you all the long story, if we were to toss a shiny Merc her way it would please her to no end (and get her off my back!) The 190 that I'm looking at has oil in the coolant so it obviously need a head gasket. It's also leaking at the rear of the engine and I expect that that may well be a head gasket issue as well. Changing out the gasket doesn't look like too big of project, but I do have a question about one part of the process. The service manual 01.1101 I - 415/4 step 8 says Use impact extractor 116 589 20 33 00 to withdraw slide rail pin (74). Not having impact extractor 116 589 20 33 00 to withdraw slide rail pin, is there a work around? A substitute tool? Does the slide rail pin really need to be extracted to RR the head gasket? Second question: From what I've gathered through the Googles, head gasket failure seems to be typical on the 2.6 motor at around 100k miles. Is this a true statement and how likely is it that a simple replacement will cure its ills? There is no evidence that the motor has been overheated and the oil in the coolant is a relatively recent occurrence. The motor runs strong, has 3 bar oil pressure hot and the temp gauge sits right at 87 deg on a 20 mile drive at highway speeds. There is no cold pressurization of the cooling system so it appears that there is no compression leakage to the cooling system (A common VW problem.) Thank you in advance for you wisdom. Jim Arnott Union, OR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New member intro and 190e question or two
Thanks for the replies Gary, et al; Drove it 20 or so miles. Parked it over a piece of cardboard. 30 minutes later I had 2 silver dollar sized spots of motor oil from the rear of the engine. There is no evidence of coolant leaks. The spots were about 6 apart perpendicular to the chassis under the rear of the motor. Almost like it was running down either side of the bell housing. Where does the 2.6 motor leak oil?If it were VW, I'd say rear main seal. (Additional info: 157k miles, auto trans.) The coolant reservoir has enough oil in it to get the milk of magnesia look floating on the surface. I could be wrong, but it looks fairly significant to me (But what do I know? That's why I'm here!) I guess I'll give the guy his grand and take a chance. Now about pulling the slide rail pin(s)? Thanks again. Jim On Nov 9, 2009, at 8:41 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: all of those motors seep some oil into the coolant. is it leaking coolant out the rear or oil? imagine the coolant hasn't been changed in over a decade. a little seepage would become noticeable, no? depending on the leak in the rear, i'd consider just changing out the hoses and flushing out the cooling system. replace it with the mercedes forumaltion, which is xerex G05. drive it around and see what happens. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
