Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
Progress! I took a look at the nearly-frozen AC idler bearing, and removed it from the dogleg. I then cleaned it and carefully pried out the (hardened) rubber seal, exposing the dry bearing. A shot of brake cleaner loosened everything up, then I cleaned out the bearing and blew it dry with compressed air. I smeared in bearing grease, packing it down in, then I pushed the seal back into place. It won't seal too well anymore, but it'll extend the life of this considerably. (And I don't need to order anything or wait for it to get here.) It works pretty smoothly now. I then removed the suspension pump from the engine. That takes a 17mm flare wrench to remove the high-pressure line, and a 17mm socket to remove the banjo bolt on the low. An Allen wrench removes the four long bolts from the face of the pump, liberating it. You need a 13mm socket to loosen the clamp on the high-pressure line, else you don't have enough slack to remove the pump. With the pump out you need to cork the high-pressure line else the suspension oil reservoir will empty onto the ground. I lost quite a bit of oil before I got this done. With the pump out you can remove the remaining two Allen bolts (the short ones) and pry the lid off the pump. The shaft and cam can then be pushed out from behind with your thumb. I cleaned everything with brake cleaner, it was very grimy. I took pains to keep the four pistons from getting dirty during this. The three old seals (of diverse sorts) can now be removed: scrape off the paper body seal (114 236 00 X0), chisel out the big O-ring body seal (010 997 43 45) being careful not to damage the channel or the face, and pry out the shaft seal (004 997 01 47). The big O-ring was very hard, I couldn't even tell that it had been an O-ring in the beginning, and was most likely the source of the leak. I then cleaned everything again and tapped the new shaft seal in gently with a hammer. The shaft may then be lubed and twisted back into place. (You need to gently pry the piston drive ring into place to let the cam go into it while you do this. With the shaft in place you can then pry again to slip the brass bushing between the drive collar and the cam, it doesn't really work to try to install it all in one shot.) Then I put the O-ring in the channel and bolted the cover back on with the two bolts. The trickiest part is getting the body of the pump installed back on the engine with the drive ears mating with the distributor drive while keeping the new paper seal in place. (You need to put the high-pressure line back on the pump first, though not tightened down yet.) That's not too difficult, though. I then bolted everything back down and reinstalled and tightened the hoses and their braces, then sprayed everything off again with cleaner. Done. Today's session was about 1-1/2 hours. The big O-ring keeps suspension oil from leaking out of the head of the pump. The shaft seal keeps it from leaking into the engine crankcase, and the paper seal keeps the engine oil (and any vagrant suspension oil) from leaking out behind the body of the pump. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
In another session in the evening I scraped off the gasket surfaces and installed the water pump. That took a long time, due to the tenacity of the old gasket. I tried to be careful with the razor blade not to damage the metal surfaces. Once done I transferred the thermostat to the new pump, but used the new O-ring seal that came with the pump. (I made sure to install the jiggle valve up.) The two slightly-longer pump mounting bolts must go in where they came out, at the bottom and bottom-right of the water pump where the thicker bosses on the pump are else they'll bottom out in the holes and not clamp. I wire-brushed the rust off of the one very long bolt that goes through the body before reinstalling it. The new gasket had a small tear most of the way through at one point, that was very distressing to find. At least it was at the top and not the bottom, so any leak will be very visible. I used Permatex anaerobic sealer to goop the torn area before reassembly, it should be fine. I got the pump and thermostat housings assembled, and the radiator feed fitting partially installed before I had to quit again. This job is turning out to be very slow! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
I don't remember if I reported this or not, but once it was all apart I was able to check to see if an Allen bolt would be removable 'easily'. Verdict: I don't think so. I pressure-washed the area, that's as far as I've gotten so far. I still need to remove the suspension pump for re-sealing. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
Jim Cathey wrote: Cut the bolt, and replace it with a narrow-head internal-hex (allen) type that can be removed through the notch in the future? Tempting! Or use a loong setscrew. Install it like a stud and spin a nut down on it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
I had a few minutes, so I put the three-jaw puller on the harmonic balancer. It walked right off, releasing my lost 13mm socket, the water pump, the bolt, and my stubby 13mm wrench. I found that the offending bolt was 1/4 _longer_ than the others, which might have made the difference between removing the balancer or not. At least with it out of there the suspension pump is going to be very easy to work on. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
Well, it's official: the harmonic balancer has to come off the crankshaft in order to remove the water pump. (I can't tell you how pissed such a design error makes me. I expected better from a top-of-the-line car.) Anyway, to the story: I used the brass hammer to tap on the crank pulley and it popped off fairly easily, it was just stuck a bit. With that out of there, along with all the belts and the water pump pulley, I could then reach through the slot in the balancer to the offending bolt head. By feel the centerline of the bolt is even with the edge of the notch, so there's no way a socket wrench of any sort would have gone on there. Once I bent the dipstick tube out of the way a bit I could then get the stubby 13mm box-end wrench on it. I cracked it loose, and then began a very tedious session of walking that bolt out: one 12-point notch at a time. It never did reach a point where it was loose enough to spin with fingertips. The bolt came free just about the time the bolt head contacted the rear of the balancer. While the water pump is now loose, there's no way to get it out of there, the bolt is too long and the pump is trapped there. (My wrench is trapped on the bolt, too.) This sucks. I'm at 4.5 hours on this job and I haven't even got the bad pump out yet. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
Cut the bolt, and replace it with a narrow-head internal-hex (allen) type that can be removed through the notch in the future? Allan On Fri, 01 May 2009 07:48 -0700, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Well, it's official: the harmonic balancer has to come off the crankshaft in order to remove the water pump. (I can't tell you how pissed such a design error makes me. I expected better from a top-of-the-line car.) Anyway, to the story: I used the brass hammer to tap on the crank pulley and it popped off fairly easily, it was just stuck a bit. With that out of there, along with all the belts and the water pump pulley, I could then reach through the slot in the balancer to the offending bolt head. By feel the centerline of the bolt is even with the edge of the notch, so there's no way a socket wrench of any sort would have gone on there. Once I bent the dipstick tube out of the way a bit I could then get the stubby 13mm box-end wrench on it. I cracked it loose, and then began a very tedious session of walking that bolt out: one 12-point notch at a time. It never did reach a point where it was loose enough to spin with fingertips. The bolt came free just about the time the bolt head contacted the rear of the balancer. While the water pump is now loose, there's no way to get it out of there, the bolt is too long and the pump is trapped there. (My wrench is trapped on the bolt, too.) This sucks. I'm at 4.5 hours on this job and I haven't even got the bad pump out yet. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
I'd guess the allen bolt was original. At 10:20 AM 5/1/2009, you wrote: Cut the bolt, and replace it with a narrow-head internal-hex (allen) type that can be removed through the notch in the future? Allan On Fri, 01 May 2009 07:48 -0700, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Well, it's official: the harmonic balancer has to come off the crankshaft in order to remove the water pump. (I can't tell you how pissed such a design error makes me. I expected better from a top-of-the-line car.) Anyway, to the story: I used the brass hammer to tap on the crank pulley and it popped off fairly easily, it was just stuck a bit. With that out of there, along with all the belts and the water pump pulley, I could then reach through the slot in the balancer to the offending bolt head. By feel the centerline of the bolt is even with the edge of the notch, so there's no way a socket wrench of any sort would have gone on there. Once I bent the dipstick tube out of the way a bit I could then get the stubby 13mm box-end wrench on it. I cracked it loose, and then began a very tedious session of walking that bolt out: one 12-point notch at a time. It never did reach a point where it was loose enough to spin with fingertips. The bolt came free just about the time the bolt head contacted the rear of the balancer. While the water pump is now loose, there's no way to get it out of there, the bolt is too long and the pump is trapped there. (My wrench is trapped on the bolt, too.) This sucks. I'm at 4.5 hours on this job and I haven't even got the bad pump out yet. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
Yea, Cama told you that several days ago. Jim Cathey wrote: Well, it's official: the harmonic balancer has to come off the crankshaft in order to remove the water pump. (I can't tell you how pissed such a design error makes me. I expected better from a top-of-the-line car.) Anyway, to the story: I used the brass hammer to tap on the crank pulley and it popped off fairly easily, it was just stuck a bit. With that out of there, along with all the belts and the water pump pulley, I could then reach through the slot in the balancer to the offending bolt head. By feel the centerline of the bolt is even with the edge of the notch, so there's no way a socket wrench of any sort would have gone on there. Once I bent the dipstick tube out of the way a bit I could then get the stubby 13mm box-end wrench on it. I cracked it loose, and then began a very tedious session of walking that bolt out: one 12-point notch at a time. It never did reach a point where it was loose enough to spin with fingertips. The bolt came free just about the time the bolt head contacted the rear of the balancer. While the water pump is now loose, there's no way to get it out of there, the bolt is too long and the pump is trapped there. (My wrench is trapped on the bolt, too.) This sucks. I'm at 4.5 hours on this job and I haven't even got the bad pump out yet. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.12/2090 - Release Date: 05/01/09 06:17:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090501/1cfa8415/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
Just replace that vergasser with an OM603 and be done with it. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Yea, Cama told you that several days ago. Jim Cathey wrote: Well, it's official: the harmonic balancer has to come off the crankshaft in order to remove the water pump. (I can't tell you how pissed such a design error makes me. I expected better from a top-of-the-line car.) Anyway, to the story: I used the brass hammer to tap on the crank pulley and it popped off fairly easily, it was just stuck a bit. With that out of there, along with all the belts and the water pump pulley, I could then reach through the slot in the balancer to the offending bolt head. By feel the centerline of the bolt is even with the edge of the notch, so there's no way a socket wrench of any sort would have gone on there. Once I bent the dipstick tube out of the way a bit I could then get the stubby 13mm box-end wrench on it. I cracked it loose, and then began a very tedious session of walking that bolt out: one 12-point notch at a time. It never did reach a point where it was loose enough to spin with fingertips. The bolt came free just about the time the bolt head contacted the rear of the balancer. While the water pump is now loose, there's no way to get it out of there, the bolt is too long and the pump is trapped there. (My wrench is trapped on the bolt, too.) This sucks. I'm at 4.5 hours on this job and I haven't even got the bad pump out yet. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.12/2090 - Release Date: 05/01/09 06:17:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090501/1cfa8415/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos KD5NRO The important thing in aeroplanes is that they shall be speedy Baron Manfred von Richthofen -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090501/290c9ecb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
Just replace that vergasser with an OM603 and be done with it. That was one of the motivations for buying that particular SEL. (We have an SDL with a twice-wrecked body.) That wasn't for immediate consideration, just something to keep in mind for some far-off day. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
Yea, Cama told you that several days ago. Yeah, but there's that whole river in Egypt thing... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
Cut the bolt, and replace it with a narrow-head internal-hex (allen) type that can be removed through the notch in the future? Tempting! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
Work proceeds on the apparently GM-designed M117 motor. The stubby wrench didn't work. I then removed the 6 13mm bolts in the crank pulley. That didn't loosen it yet. So I removed the radiator, which didn't want to come out easily due to the transmission cooler lines. They eventually cracked loose without ripping out of the plastic radiator, but it seemed a close thing. I plugged these holes with four corks and set the radiator aside. I then removed the AC idler pulley, which turns out to be very stiff. The bearing is shot, it's likely that this was the source of the odd whining noise up front. I still can't get the 3-jaw puller in there because of the AC condensor, and the AC system still has some kind of charge in it, possibly R12, so I don't want to drain it. Out of time today. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
Yesterday I bought a 1/4 13mm socket, $0.25 at the pawn shop. Unfortunately, it didn't fit either. (And I lost it down behind the pulley and can't seem to fish it out, even with the magnet.) I'm now trying with the 13mm stubby wrench, but I ran out of time to resolve that issue. I did feel down in the crank pulley, and I think it's hex-head bolts not Allens that hold it on. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
I don't understand all your fuss about pulling the balancer, the reality is all you will be pulling is the rubber dampening ring, the harmonic balancer will stay in place. It is quite simple. Remove radiator. 1/2 hour max. Remove pulley for the belts then remove the dampener ring. Maximum, 1.5 hours total to get the ring off for a novice. Condenser stays in place. With all the time you have wasted with futile attempts and posting here you could have had it apart already and be going back together. While in there, ideal time to replace all the belts, anyways. As you mentioned the pulley for the water pump is behind the damper. Even if you got the lower bolt loose, you would not have enough room to get the bolt out enough to remove the water pump with the dampener in place. The access hole is offset on those later m117s and is all but useless in helping with this job. Lastly, with the dampener out of the way, you will be able to properly prep the face of the timing cover for the new pump to mate to. As with any job, cleanliness is critical. The facts are what they are and all the whining in the world is not going to change anything. Check your MB V8 factory service manual (4.2 and 5.6, not 3.5 and 4.5) if in doubt. Mathieu On Apr 28, 2009, at 1:29 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: Same as the 72 M117? Just a royal pain to get the pulley in exactly the correct position as I remember, using a standard 3/8 drive socket. That's what I thought initially, but I've been having real trouble. Doesn't help that I can't see, I'll hate to have to pull the radiator and evaporator. Also, the stupid WP pulley is trapped on the end of the shaft by the crank pulley. That's in the way, too. I'm going to be _really_ mad if I have to pull the crank pulley/balancer. I think you just need to give up and send the 560 SEL to me in North Alabama where it can enjoy a nice quiet retirement in the sun. I promise to take the My favorite quote: Never give up, never surrender! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
Benz must have changed over to the separate balancer/hub system with the aluminum block then. The balancer will be held on by six hex head bolts and is easy to take off -- the hub stays put on the crank. The balancer is larger diameter than the older one, I believe, and hence will have to come off. Not a big deal, since you don't have to remove the crank bolt. Peter -Original Message- From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Sent: Apr 28, 2009 12:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump Same as the 72 M117? Just a royal pain to get the pulley in exactly the correct position as I remember, using a standard 3/8 drive socket. That's what I thought initially, but I've been having real trouble. Doesn't help that I can't see, I'll hate to have to pull the radiator and evaporator. Also, the stupid WP pulley is trapped on the end of the shaft by the crank pulley. That's in the way, too. I'm going to be _really_ mad if I have to pull the crank pulley/balancer. I think you just need to give up and send the 560 SEL to me in North Alabama where it can enjoy a nice quiet retirement in the sun. I promise to take the My favorite quote: Never give up, never surrender! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
The balancer and the rubber dampening ring are two very different parts. The balancer is still held on with the large 27mm bolt. The dampener ring is held on by the six crank pulley bolts. Very similar to a om617a. The dampener ring is often referred to as the harmonic balancer by mistake. The dampener is the large green disk and the harmonic is considerably smaller in diameter and resides behind the dampener. Regards, Mathieu Cama Old World Automotive Lawrenceville, GA www.oldworldauto.com 404-550-8000 9:30 AM - 5:30 PM Mon-Fri On Apr 28, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Peter Frederick wrote: Benz must have changed over to the separate balancer/hub system with the aluminum block then. The balancer will be held on by six hex head bolts and is easy to take off -- the hub stays put on the crank. The balancer is larger diameter than the older one, I believe, and hence will have to come off. Not a big deal, since you don't have to remove the crank bolt. Peter -Original Message- From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Sent: Apr 28, 2009 12:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump Same as the 72 M117? Just a royal pain to get the pulley in exactly the correct position as I remember, using a standard 3/8 drive socket. That's what I thought initially, but I've been having real trouble. Doesn't help that I can't see, I'll hate to have to pull the radiator and evaporator. Also, the stupid WP pulley is trapped on the end of the shaft by the crank pulley. That's in the way, too. I'm going to be _really_ mad if I have to pull the crank pulley/balancer. I think you just need to give up and send the 560 SEL to me in North Alabama where it can enjoy a nice quiet retirement in the sun. I promise to take the My favorite quote: Never give up, never surrender! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
I like your style. --R Mathieu J. Cama wrote: I don't understand all your fuss about pulling the balancer, the reality is all you will be pulling is the rubber dampening ring, the harmonic balancer will stay in place. It is quite simple. Remove radiator. 1/2 hour max. Remove pulley for the belts then remove the dampener ring. Maximum, 1.5 hours total to get the ring off for a novice. Condenser stays in place. With all the time you have wasted with futile attempts and posting here you could have had it apart already and be going back together. While in there, ideal time to replace all the belts, anyways. As you mentioned the pulley for the water pump is behind the damper. Even if you got the lower bolt loose, you would not have enough room to get the bolt out enough to remove the water pump with the dampener in place. The access hole is offset on those later m117s and is all but useless in helping with this job. Lastly, with the dampener out of the way, you will be able to properly prep the face of the timing cover for the new pump to mate to. As with any job, cleanliness is critical. The facts are what they are and all the whining in the world is not going to change anything. Check your MB V8 factory service manual (4.2 and 5.6, not 3.5 and 4.5) if in doubt. Mathieu ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
Another half hour wasted on that water pump. I _can't_ see how to get a wrench on that last stinkin' bolt. (The one on the bottom.) I've tried every socket, U-joint, wrench that I've got. I can barely feel the bolt head with my fingertips, and the notches in the harmonic balancer just don't seem to be deep enough. Anybody got any suggestions? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
remove the balancer? Jim Cathey wrote: Another half hour wasted on that water pump. I _can't_ see how to get a wrench on that last stinkin' bolt. (The one on the bottom.) I've tried every socket, U-joint, wrench that I've got. I can barely feel the bolt head with my fingertips, and the notches in the harmonic balancer just don't seem to be deep enough. Anybody got any suggestions? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
Jim Cathey wrote: Anybody got any suggestions? Factory socket? Right angle die grinder? (for the access opening in the balancer) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
yes. On Apr 27, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: remove the balancer? Jim Cathey wrote: Another half hour wasted on that water pump. I _can't_ see how to get a wrench on that last stinkin' bolt. (The one on the bottom.) I've tried every socket, U-joint, wrench that I've got. I can barely feel the bolt head with my fingertips, and the notches in the harmonic balancer just don't seem to be deep enough. Anybody got any suggestions? -- Jim-- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com Regards, Mathieu Cama Old World Automotive Lawrenceville, GA www.oldworldauto.com 404-550-8000 9:30 AM - 5:30 PM Mon-Fri ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
Open end wrench, ground thin enough to fit if need be, bent such that you can turn it one flat at a time On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Jim Cathey wrote: Anybody got any suggestions? Factory socket? Right angle die grinder? (for the access opening in the balancer) Mitch. -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos KD5NRO The important thing in aeroplanes is that they shall be speedy Baron Manfred von Richthofen -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090427/0a5f4d96/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
Same as the 72 M117? Just a royal pain to get the pulley in exactly the correct position as I remember, using a standard 3/8 drive socket. Been a few years, but I didn't have to do anything drastic. You may need to find an extension that will fit in the slot. DO NOT grind the slot larger unless you can then re-balance the balancer. Peter On Apr 27, 2009, at 9:57 PM, OK Don wrote: Open end wrench, ground thin enough to fit if need be, bent such that you can turn it one flat at a time On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Jim Cathey wrote: Anybody got any suggestions? Factory socket? Right angle die grinder? (for the access opening in the balancer) Mitch. -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos KD5NRO The important thing in aeroplanes is that they shall be speedy Baron Manfred von Richthofen -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/ attachments/20090427/0a5f4d96/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
I think you just need to give up and send the 560 SEL to me in North Alabama where it can enjoy a nice quiet retirement in the sun. I promise to take the car out to see the gulf to the Smokey Mountains at least once a year. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/ 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump Open end wrench, ground thin enough to fit if need be, bent such that you can turn it one flat at a time On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Jim Cathey wrote: Anybody got any suggestions? Factory socket? Right angle die grinder? (for the access opening in the balancer) Mitch. -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos KD5NRO The important thing in aeroplanes is that they shall be speedy Baron Manfred von Richthofen -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090427/0a 5f4d96/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2081 - Release Date: 4/26/2009 9:44 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2081 - Release Date: 4/26/2009 9:44 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] @#$% 560 SEL water pump
Same as the 72 M117? Just a royal pain to get the pulley in exactly the correct position as I remember, using a standard 3/8 drive socket. That's what I thought initially, but I've been having real trouble. Doesn't help that I can't see, I'll hate to have to pull the radiator and evaporator. Also, the stupid WP pulley is trapped on the end of the shaft by the crank pulley. That's in the way, too. I'm going to be _really_ mad if I have to pull the crank pulley/balancer. I think you just need to give up and send the 560 SEL to me in North Alabama where it can enjoy a nice quiet retirement in the sun. I promise to take the My favorite quote: Never give up, never surrender! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
