Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL - 169k miles - $11,000

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Not a rodbender, a head leaker.

-D

> On Nov 8, 2022, at 3:27 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Nope - not the rod bender. It has 100k fewer miles than the one I had.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 3:46 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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>> Seems expensive to me. But maybe these are starting to get rare. Rodbender?
>> 
>> 
>> https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/fairfield-1987-mercedes-benz-300sdl/7555200147.html
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL - 169k miles - $11,000

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Nope - not the rod bender. It has 100k fewer miles than the one I had.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 3:46 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> Seems expensive to me. But maybe these are starting to get rare. Rodbender?
>
>
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"Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you
are wearing."

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

“Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
Von Braun
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[MBZ] 1987 300SDL - 169k miles - $11,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Seems expensive to me. But maybe these are starting to get rare. Rodbender?

https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/fairfield-1987-mercedes-benz-300sdl/7555200147.html
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[MBZ] 1987 300SDL - 160k miles - $2,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Another optimist.

https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-classic-benz/7367155033.html

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL - 265k miles - $4,500

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Decision fatigue ---

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> What are people thinking when they order a car with an interior color to
> match the exterior?
>
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 3:02 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> > Boring colors, but otherwise looks nice
> >
> >
> >
> https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/dayton-mercedes-benz/7314819581.html
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL - 265k miles - $4,500

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What are people thinking when they order a car with an interior color to
match the exterior?

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> Boring colors, but otherwise looks nice
>
>
> https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/dayton-mercedes-benz/7314819581.html
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[MBZ] 1987 300SDL - 265k miles - $4,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Boring colors, but otherwise looks nice

https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/dayton-mercedes-benz/7314819581.html

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If I were in the market and in the area I would definitely check it out.  I
dig the color combo (blue/blue leather).

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> Looks neglected.
>
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5586932911.html
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[MBZ] 1987 300SDL

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Looks neglected.

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5586932911.html

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Yes, many years ago; 'don't remember a lot of it.
'Oughta read it again.

Wilton


Cap'n Eddie the race car driver never had a driver's license, even in 
the 60s.   Before WWI (the war to end all wars) no DL was needed 
Afterward,  he was so famous.  He said if he got stopped he pulled 
out the gold 'Merkun Legion membership card the Legion had given him 
and showed it to johnny law.  Johnny, on reading the name on the 
card, would strike up a conversation with the war hero driver/pilot 
and never ask for a real driver's license.


It is a great book!

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yes, many years ago; 'don't remember a lot of it.
'Oughta read it again.

Wilton

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Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap



>NC requires them to be IN THE VEHICLE, too.


BTW, at a license chk point coupla years ago, I eased up to the 
officer and handed 'im my military ID, but just as he was taking it, 
I realized it and said, as I laughed and was withdrawing the card, 
"Oh, I gave you the wrong card."  He also laughed and said, "Oh, 
you're OK, go ahead."  I drove on.


Wilton


Wilton, did you ever read Eddie Rickenbacker's biography?

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

OK apparently is the exception.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
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> Andrew wrote:
>>
>>>  I save all my registrations in the vinyl/clear plastic folder...
>>>
>>
>> Mine are all at home.  I can produce them if they want, but... they
>> have computers in their cars - they can look them up.  Registration /
>> license are superfluous these days.
>> mao
>>
>
> They will have you looked before you stop, but many state lawz say you
> have to have reg. and ins. car to hand to johnny l aw.   If you don't
> produce them they can and will use that as an excuse to search you and the
> car, and to fine you at the least, and even haul you into j ail if they
> thiink they can shake you down for more money that way.
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

NC requires them to be IN THE VEHICLE, too.

BTW, at a license chk point coupla years ago, I eased up to the 
officer and handed 'im my military ID, but just as he was taking it, 
I realized it and said, as I laughed and was withdrawing the card, 
"Oh, I gave you the wrong card."  He also laughed and said, "Oh, 
you're OK, go ahead."  I drove on.


Wilton


Wilton, did you ever read Eddie Rickenbacker's biography?

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Andrew wrote:

 I save all my registrations in the vinyl/clear plastic folder...


Mine are all at home.  I can produce them if they want, but... they
have computers in their cars - they can look them up.  Registration /
license are superfluous these days.
mao


They will have you looked before you stop, but many state lawz say 
you have to have reg. and ins. car to hand to johnny l aw.   If you 
don't produce them they can and will use that as an excuse to search 
you and the car, and to fine you at the least, and even haul you into 
j ail if they thiink they can shake you down for more money that way.



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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

So w/o a glovebox where do you stash the registration and insurance 
papers?


The console tray gets a locking jockey box on the newer 126's.
You might need special tools, like a spoon or a popsicle stick,
to break into it.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Early one evening in 1976, I had just departed main gate of George AFB, CA, 
with my '74 Plymouth van heavily loaded with beams (sticking out the 
rear,etc.) I had salvaged from a small bridge on base to take them to 
"cabin" in mtns 35 miles away.   Almost immediately, CHP stopped me and 
asked for "license and registration."  Officer glanced at 'em, returned 'em 
and waved me on.  Next day, as I was returning the registration card to the 
glove compartment from on the engine cover, where I had placed it when the 
officer returned, I realized  I had given him a 2-year-old card for the '64 
Dodge van with MI plates I had sold coupla years before.  Officer obviously 
did look very closely at card nor vehicle.


Wilton

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Cc: "OK Don" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 4:23 PM
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I've never been asked for my registration . . .

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


The standard cop recitation when you're pulled over is "driver's license
and vehicle registration please".





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who

learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That's b/c you have never been stopped.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 4:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I've never been asked for my registration . . .
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The standard cop recitation when you're pulled over is "driver's license
> > and vehicle registration please".
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!
>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I've never been asked for my registration . . .

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The standard cop recitation when you're pulled over is "driver's license
> and vehicle registration please".
>
>


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NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

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our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The standard cop recitation when you're pulled over is "driver's license
and vehicle registration please".

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 3:40 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> NC requires them to be IN THE VEHICLE, too.
>
> BTW, at a license chk point coupla years ago, I eased up to the officer
> and handed 'im my military ID, but just as he was taking it, I realized it
> and said, as I laughed and was withdrawing the card, "Oh, I gave you the
> wrong card."  He also laughed and said, "Oh, you're OK, go ahead."  I drove
> on.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Curt Raymond" 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 3:26 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap
>
>
> Illinois lets you get away with that? I'm pretty sure here in MA its a
>> "produce your license and registration" or go to jail...
>> I would expect a progressive place like IL to be the same.
>> -Curt
>>
>>  From: Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Mountain Man 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 3:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap
>>
>> Andrew wrote:
>>
>>> I save all my registrations in the vinyl/clear plastic folder...
>>>
>>
>> Mine are all at home. I can produce them if they want, but... they
>> have computers in their cars - they can look them up. Registration /
>> license are superfluous these days.
>> mao
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[WILTON via Mercedes]

NC requires them to be IN THE VEHICLE, too.

BTW, at a license chk point coupla years ago, I eased up to the officer and 
handed 'im my military ID, but just as he was taking it, I realized it and 
said, as I laughed and was withdrawing the card, "Oh, I gave you the wrong 
card."  He also laughed and said, "Oh, you're OK, go ahead."  I drove on.


Wilton

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Cc: "Curt Raymond" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 3:26 PM
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Illinois lets you get away with that? I'm pretty sure here in MA its a 
"produce your license and registration" or go to jail...

I would expect a progressive place like IL to be the same.
-Curt

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Cc: Mountain Man 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

Andrew wrote:

I save all my registrations in the vinyl/clear plastic folder...


Mine are all at home. I can produce them if they want, but... they
have computers in their cars - they can look them up. Registration /
license are superfluous these days.
mao



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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Illinois lets you get away with that? I'm pretty sure here in MA its a "produce 
your license and registration" or go to jail...
I would expect a progressive place like IL to be the same.
-Curt

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Cc: Mountain Man  
 Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 3:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap
   
Andrew wrote:
> I save all my registrations in the vinyl/clear plastic folder...

Mine are all at home.  I can produce them if they want, but... they
have computers in their cars - they can look them up.  Registration /
license are superfluous these days.
mao



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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Andrew wrote:
> I save all my registrations in the vinyl/clear plastic folder...

Mine are all at home.  I can produce them if they want, but... they
have computers in their cars - they can look them up.  Registration /
license are superfluous these days.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[clay via Mercedes]

If you actually drove one for a while, you would see that the 126 is a far 
superior car.  The 220 is junk and will not appreciate

clay

On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> Sure he has spent a lot of money on it but a 220 should be worth a hell of a 
> lot more than a 126.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Crazy how? As in I'm crazy or he's crazy?
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 2:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That trade is crazy unless your 220 has lots of problems or you just hate 
>>> it and love the 126
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I've seen the actual bill for the rebuild but it doesn't specify the part 
 number for the head. It is visible in place as a casting number, isn't it?
 
 I was wondering the same thing myself. However, since the rebuild was done 
 in 2010, would the original heads still be available? I can have him look 
 at it and tell me. He knows about the rod bender issues so I'm assuming 
 the newer head was installed.
 
 I would be trading a W220 for a W126, so it would be like going from 
 present day to the 1980s. Not a bad thing as far as I'm concerned.
 
 I suspect that a leak is probably due to lack of use. The car hadn't been 
 driven much in the recent past to my knowledge.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 2:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> "Engine - rebuilt." doesn't tell you much - what was done to it by whom? 
> It
> now has an oil leak - should a rebuilt engine leak oil?
> What head does it have? Etc. . . . .
 
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I save all my registrations in the vinyl/clear plastic folder with my
Becker manual and radio code.  In the glovebox.  Of cars w/o airbags.

Andrew
1983 300TD
1985 300TD

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:44 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> That, too.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Okie Benz" 
> Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap
>
>
> Center console.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> So w/o a glovebox where do you stash the registration and insurance
>>> papers?
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[WILTON via Mercedes]

That, too.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 

To: "Okie Benz" 
Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap



Center console.

Dan


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 wrote:


So w/o a glovebox where do you stash the registration and insurance 
papers?





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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Don't know what others use, but I used small, black leather-bound book-like 
bag/pouch that fits nicely between lower, left edge of driver's seat between 
seat and door threshold; easily reachable while in seat, etc.


Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap


So w/o a glovebox where do you stash the registration and insurance 
papers?


On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Tim Crone via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


On Sep 14, 2015 11:11 PM, "WILTON via Mercedes" 
wrote:
>
> My (Tim's) 91 350SDL has right side air bag; no glove box.

Same for a couple later SDs I stripped in the junk yard.  My 87 300SDL 
does

not have a PS airbag.

I love the SDL (in principle; seems I love cleaning the house more in
practice :) but it is not a modern car.  I agree with Kaleb, anything 
over
$4k is because you want it, not because it is intrinsically valuable to 
the

average buyer.  May be worth splitting the difference with the seller?

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Center console.

Dan


> On Sep 15, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So w/o a glovebox where do you stash the registration and insurance papers?
> 


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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So w/o a glovebox where do you stash the registration and insurance papers?

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Tim Crone via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On Sep 14, 2015 11:11 PM, "WILTON via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> >
> > My (Tim's) 91 350SDL has right side air bag; no glove box.
>
> Same for a couple later SDs I stripped in the junk yard.  My 87 300SDL does
> not have a PS airbag.
>
> I love the SDL (in principle; seems I love cleaning the house more in
> practice :) but it is not a modern car.  I agree with Kaleb, anything over
> $4k is because you want it, not because it is intrinsically valuable to the
> average buyer.  May be worth splitting the difference with the seller?
>
> Best,
> Tim
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Tim Crone via Mercedes]

On Sep 14, 2015 11:11 PM, "WILTON via Mercedes" 
wrote:
>
> My (Tim's) 91 350SDL has right side air bag; no glove box.

Same for a couple later SDs I stripped in the junk yard.  My 87 300SDL does
not have a PS airbag.

I love the SDL (in principle; seems I love cleaning the house more in
practice :) but it is not a modern car.  I agree with Kaleb, anything over
$4k is because you want it, not because it is intrinsically valuable to the
average buyer.  May be worth splitting the difference with the seller?

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[WILTON via Mercedes]

My (Tim's) 91 350SDL has right side air bag; no glove box.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap


I'm not sure but it's sort of retarded to give up the glove box space. It 
may be functional but I kind of doubt it


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:



Interior
Interior swap from 1991 420sel


I didn’t notice that.  I wonder if it’s functional? 

Dan


On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Why in the world would they stick a passenger side airbag in it?

Sent from my iPhone



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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

That may be why the SRS light is on?

Oil leak and other problems may indicate deeper problems, which may be cheap to 
fix once diagnosed, or may be a nightmare if the work was done poorly.

This car sounds more like a nice project, less like a Mercedes Martha daily 
driver (but I'll bet it is quite reliable and will get you around).

Go for it!

I call first dibs when you decide to sell!
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 14, 2015 8:15:19 PM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>I'm not sure but it's sort of retarded to give up the glove box space.
>It may be functional but I kind of doubt it 
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>>> Interior
>>> Interior swap from 1991 420sel
>> 
>> I didn’t notice that.  I wonder if it’s functional? 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I'm not sure but it's sort of retarded to give up the glove box space. It may 
be functional but I kind of doubt it 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> Interior
>> Interior swap from 1991 420sel
> 
> I didn’t notice that.  I wonder if it’s functional? 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Why in the world would they stick a passenger side airbag in it?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

> Interior
> Interior swap from 1991 420sel

I didn’t notice that.  I wonder if it’s functional? 

Dan


> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Why in the world would they stick a passenger side airbag in it?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

What is the Martha treatment worth? Thats gotta add in there somewhere.
That color is snoresville too...
-Curt
  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin  
 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 6:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap
   
It might be worth 6k depending on market but around here it would probably be 
worth 3-4k. So by your numbers your car is worth more.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 4:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Without doing a lot of legwork, a quick review would suggest that my car 
> (2003 S430) is worth around $8k-$10, depending on the market and venue.
> 
> I have roughly $6.5k in the car including my purchase price.
> 
> Using that as a basis point the question becomes, would the W126 as described 
> be worth $6k?
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 3:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Sure he has spent a lot of money on it but a 220 should be worth a hell of a 
>> lot more than a 126.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Why in the world would they stick a passenger side airbag in it?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 4:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Here’s a link to a few pictures:
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/v4jqy37mencb754/AACTXTN6LSdEz2sJHcg-gucNa?dl=0
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 4:43 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What's that worth in $$?
>> 
>> -R
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It might be worth 6k depending on market but around here it would probably be 
worth 3-4k. So by your numbers your car is worth more.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 4:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Without doing a lot of legwork, a quick review would suggest that my car 
> (2003 S430) is worth around $8k-$10, depending on the market and venue.
> 
> I have roughly $6.5k in the car including my purchase price.
> 
> Using that as a basis point the question becomes, would the W126 as described 
> be worth $6k?
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 3:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Sure he has spent a lot of money on it but a 220 should be worth a hell of a 
>> lot more than a 126.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I think a good SDL with nothing wrong would bring 10K, so it is 
probably about even value.   (understanding the buyers for a perfect 
SDL are limited in number)  Probably easier to sell the W220.


Another way to look at it is:  AN SDL that good for $6000 is a steal.

Given a choice, I'd take the SDL.  NO CONTEST  a durable real car 
(PKW) vs a plastic electron wagon  (PEW)


Without doing a lot of legwork, a quick review would suggest that my 
car (2003 S430) is worth around $8k-$10, depending on the market and 
venue.


I have roughly $6.5k in the car including my purchase price.

Using that as a basis point the question becomes, would the W126 as 
described be worth $6k?


Dan


 On Sep 14, 2015, at 3:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:


 Sure he has spent a lot of money on it but a 220 should be worth a 
hell of a lot more than a 126.



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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Here’s a link to a few pictures:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/v4jqy37mencb754/AACTXTN6LSdEz2sJHcg-gucNa?dl=0

Dan


> On Sep 14, 2015, at 4:43 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> What's that worth in $$?
> 
> -R


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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Without doing a lot of legwork, a quick review would suggest that my car (2003 
S430) is worth around $8k-$10, depending on the market and venue.

I have roughly $6.5k in the car including my purchase price.

Using that as a basis point the question becomes, would the W126 as described 
be worth $6k?

Dan


> On Sep 14, 2015, at 3:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sure he has spent a lot of money on it but a 220 should be worth a hell of a 
> lot more than a 126.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

What's that worth in $$?

-R

On 9/14/15 1:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Former owner of my 94 S420 is still interested in swapping for my 2003 S430 
even.  If you don't recall, here's what he's done with the car since he got it 
in 2010:



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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I'm getting confused.

So the engine in this car is not a rod bender, correct?  If not, 
what was the issue with these? Are these the ones that would crack 
the heads of overheated (#14 head)?


Befuddled Dan

Sent from my iPad


The 86-87 SDL is NOT  a rodbender.  Those came later and were 350SDs, 
until in the 140, they went back to calling it a 300SD, because they 
had trashed the name of the 350SD.


all were 14 heads, and some made problems early on.  Out of 5 OM603s, 
i've owned all were 14 heads and were reliable.  Herr Doctor 
theorized in his latter years that perhaps most of the bad castings 
were replaced by then, and the remaining ones were good.  I buy into 
that theory.


As long as the compression is good, I would not worry about it other 
than to keep the coolant tank filled to the right level and check it 
regularly.  I put something like 250k miles on my first SDL with the 
14 head, and the head never made trouble.


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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Sure he has spent a lot of money on it but a 220 should be worth a hell of a 
lot more than a 126.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Crazy how? As in I'm crazy or he's crazy?
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 2:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> That trade is crazy unless your 220 has lots of problems or you just hate it 
>> and love the 126
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've seen the actual bill for the rebuild but it doesn't specify the part 
>>> number for the head. It is visible in place as a casting number, isn't it?
>>> 
>>> I was wondering the same thing myself. However, since the rebuild was done 
>>> in 2010, would the original heads still be available? I can have him look 
>>> at it and tell me. He knows about the rod bender issues so I'm assuming the 
>>> newer head was installed.
>>> 
>>> I would be trading a W220 for a W126, so it would be like going from 
>>> present day to the 1980s. Not a bad thing as far as I'm concerned.
>>> 
>>> I suspect that a leak is probably due to lack of use. The car hadn't been 
>>> driven much in the recent past to my knowledge.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 2:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 
 "Engine - rebuilt." doesn't tell you much - what was done to it by whom? It
 now has an oil leak - should a rebuilt engine leak oil?
 What head does it have? Etc. . . . .
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Crazy how? As in I'm crazy or he's crazy?

Dan

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> On Sep 14, 2015, at 2:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That trade is crazy unless your 220 has lots of problems or you just hate it 
> and love the 126
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I've seen the actual bill for the rebuild but it doesn't specify the part 
>> number for the head. It is visible in place as a casting number, isn't it?
>> 
>> I was wondering the same thing myself. However, since the rebuild was done 
>> in 2010, would the original heads still be available? I can have him look at 
>> it and tell me. He knows about the rod bender issues so I'm assuming the 
>> newer head was installed.
>> 
>> I would be trading a W220 for a W126, so it would be like going from present 
>> day to the 1980s. Not a bad thing as far as I'm concerned.
>> 
>> I suspect that a leak is probably due to lack of use. The car hadn't been 
>> driven much in the recent past to my knowledge.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
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>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> "Engine - rebuilt." doesn't tell you much - what was done to it by whom? It
>>> now has an oil leak - should a rebuilt engine leak oil?
>>> What head does it have? Etc. . . . .
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That trade is crazy unless your 220 has lots of problems or you just hate it 
and love the 126

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> On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I've seen the actual bill for the rebuild but it doesn't specify the part 
> number for the head. It is visible in place as a casting number, isn't it?
> 
> I was wondering the same thing myself. However, since the rebuild was done in 
> 2010, would the original heads still be available? I can have him look at it 
> and tell me. He knows about the rod bender issues so I'm assuming the newer 
> head was installed.
> 
> I would be trading a W220 for a W126, so it would be like going from present 
> day to the 1980s. Not a bad thing as far as I'm concerned.
> 
> I suspect that a leak is probably due to lack of use. The car hadn't been 
> driven much in the recent past to my knowledge.
> 
> Dan
> 
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>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 2:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> "Engine - rebuilt." doesn't tell you much - what was done to it by whom? It
>> now has an oil leak - should a rebuilt engine leak oil?
>> What head does it have? Etc. . . . .
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes cracked #14 heads

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> wrote:
> 
> I'm getting confused.
> 
> So the engine in this car is not a rod bender, correct?  If not, what was the 
> issue with these? Are these the ones that would crack the heads of overheated 
> (#14 head)?
> 
> Befuddled Dan
> 
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> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 2:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> "Engine - rebuilt." doesn't tell you much - what was done to it by whom? It
>>> now has an oil leak - should a rebuilt engine leak oil?
>>> What head does it have? Etc. . . . .
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I'm getting confused.

So the engine in this car is not a rod bender, correct?  If not, what was the 
issue with these? Are these the ones that would crack the heads of overheated 
(#14 head)?

Befuddled Dan

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> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 2:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> "Engine - rebuilt." doesn't tell you much - what was done to it by whom? It
>> now has an oil leak - should a rebuilt engine leak oil?
>> What head does it have? Etc. . . . .
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I've seen the actual bill for the rebuild but it doesn't specify the part 
number for the head. It is visible in place as a casting number, isn't it?

I was wondering the same thing myself. However, since the rebuild was done in 
2010, would the original heads still be available? I can have him look at it 
and tell me. He knows about the rod bender issues so I'm assuming the newer 
head was installed.

I would be trading a W220 for a W126, so it would be like going from present 
day to the 1980s. Not a bad thing as far as I'm concerned.

I suspect that a leak is probably due to lack of use. The car hadn't been 
driven much in the recent past to my knowledge.

Dan

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> On Sep 14, 2015, at 2:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> "Engine - rebuilt." doesn't tell you much - what was done to it by whom? It
> now has an oil leak - should a rebuilt engine leak oil?
> What head does it have? Etc. . . . .
> 

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[OK Don via Mercedes]

"Engine - rebuilt." doesn't tell you much - what was done to it by whom? It
now has an oil leak - should a rebuilt engine leak oil?
What head does it have? Etc. . . . .


On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The 126 is the epitome of Mercedes Benz.
> The SDL is the epitome of the 126 chassis.
>
> Sounds like it may need the center link between the tierods some day, but
> that is easy and not expensive.
>
> Sounds like a nice car and it should have lower maint. costs than a 140.
> Especially since he has done all that work.   May need upper and lower ball
> joints some day.
>
>
>
> Former owner of my 94 S420 is still interested in swapping for my 2003
>> S430 even.  If you don't recall, here's what he's done with the car since
>> he got it in 2010:
>>
>>
>>>  The car spent its entire life in Palm Springs minus one year in Orange
>>> County and the last 5 with me.  The second owner purchased at 100,000 miles
>>> and made the commute to LA.  He *overheated the car and gave it to a
>>> mechanic who subsequently made the repairs* and sold to me at 185,XXX.
>>> We drove it back to Mobile from California. Current mileage is 195,000 and
>>> below are only the major items that have been replaced/repaired.
>>> Everything works on the car.
>>>
>>> 
>>>  Engine
>>>  Rebuilt
>>>  Replaced various metal fuel lines *(the ones not replaced will fail
>>> next)*
>>>  Replaced as needed plastic clamps on fuel lines *(the ones not
>>> replaced will fail next)*
>>>  Purchased rebuilt cruise control amplifier
>>>  Odometer gear went out at 190,000 and was replaced immediately. Wore
>>> gear was original.
>>>  Engine mounts
>>>  Replaced various fuel injectors *(the ones not replaced will fail
>>> next)*
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>> What do you guys think? It's obviously to my advantage if I was
>> interested in such a car.
>>
>> Dan am I nuts or what?
>>
>>
>
You are trading a know set of problems for an unknown set, that having been
said, I'd rather have a W126 than a W140.

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

The 126 is the epitome of Mercedes Benz.
The SDL is the epitome of the 126 chassis.

Sounds like it may need the center link between the tierods some day, 
but that is easy and not expensive.


Sounds like a nice car and it should have lower maint. costs than a 
140.  Especially since he has done all that work.   May need upper 
and lower ball joints some day.



Former owner of my 94 S420 is still interested in swapping for my 
2003 S430 even.  If you don't recall, here's what he's done with the 
car since he got it in 2010:




 The car spent its entire life in Palm Springs minus one year in 
Orange County and the last 5 with me.  The second owner purchased 
at 100,000 miles and made the commute to LA.  He overheated the car 
and gave it to a mechanic who subsequently made the repairs and 
sold to me at 185,XXX.  We drove it back to Mobile from California. 
Current mileage is 195,000 and below are only the major items that 
have been replaced/repaired.  Everything works on the car.


 Items that have been replaced:

 AC System
 Climate Control Unit
 Compressor/Dryer/Hoses
 Suction Discharge hose (which is not made any longer)
 Replaced ALL vac pods
 Spent:  $2,000 A/C shop alone

 Engine
 Rebuilt
 Replaced various metal fuel lines
 Replaced as needed plastic clamps on fuel lines
 Purchased rebuilt cruise control amplifier
 Odometer gear went out at 190,000 and was replaced immediately. 
Wore gear was original.

 Engine mounts
 Replaced various fuel injectors

 Suspension/Brakes
 Idler arm repair kit
 Replaced steering gear box with used unit
 New Michelins at 187,582
 Both tie rods
 Replaced pads, rotors, calipers
 Wheel speed sensors
 Sway bars/links
 Rear sub frame bushings

 Transmission
 Replaced with a rebuilt unit from Silver Star Transmission
 Replaced both flex discs
 Transmission mount

 Body
 Complete repaint $3500
 No rust or rot

 Interior
 Interior swap from 1991 420sel
 Upgraded to leather wheel
 Replaced dash
 New floor mats
 New stereo/speakers

 Needs attention:
 SRS light on (clock springs have been replaced), still need to diagnose
 Antilock light intermittent
 Both rear speaker grills are cracked.  Need repair/paint
 Front door speaker grills need repaint
 Small oil drip- have not investigated
 Driver seat has tear on left side of seat bottom and mesh in 
center of bottom has come apart at the seams in two spots.

 Either one or both of the headlamp washers are inoperable



What do you guys think? It's obviously to my advantage if I was 
interested in such a car.


Dan am I nuts or what?

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[MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Former owner of my 94 S420 is still interested in swapping for my 2003 S430 
even.  If you don't recall, here's what he's done with the car since he got it 
in 2010:

>  
> The car spent its entire life in Palm Springs minus one year in Orange County 
> and the last 5 with me.  The second owner purchased at 100,000 miles and made 
> the commute to LA.  He overheated the car and gave it to a mechanic who 
> subsequently made the repairs and sold to me at 185,XXX.  We drove it back to 
> Mobile from California.  Current mileage is 195,000 and below are only the 
> major items that have been replaced/repaired.  Everything works on the car.
>  
> Items that have been replaced:
>  
> AC System
> Climate Control Unit
> Compressor/Dryer/Hoses
> Suction Discharge hose (which is not made any longer)
> Replaced ALL vac pods
> Spent:  $2,000 A/C shop alone
>  
> Engine
> Rebuilt
> Replaced various metal fuel lines
> Replaced as needed plastic clamps on fuel lines
> Purchased rebuilt cruise control amplifier
> Odometer gear went out at 190,000 and was replaced immediately.  Wore gear 
> was original.
> Engine mounts
> Replaced various fuel injectors
>  
> Suspension/Brakes
> Idler arm repair kit
> Replaced steering gear box with used unit
> New Michelins at 187,582
> Both tie rods
> Replaced pads, rotors, calipers
> Wheel speed sensors
> Sway bars/links
> Rear sub frame bushings
>  
> Transmission
> Replaced with a rebuilt unit from Silver Star Transmission
> Replaced both flex discs
> Transmission mount
>  
> Body
> Complete repaint $3500
> No rust or rot
>  
> Interior
> Interior swap from 1991 420sel
> Upgraded to leather wheel
> Replaced dash
> New floor mats
> New stereo/speakers
>  
> Needs attention:
> SRS light on (clock springs have been replaced), still need to diagnose
> Antilock light intermittent 
> Both rear speaker grills are cracked.  Need repair/paint
> Front door speaker grills need repaint
> Small oil drip- have not investigated
> Driver seat has tear on left side of seat bottom and mesh in center of bottom 
> has come apart at the seams in two spots.
> Either one or both of the headlamp washers are inoperable
> 

What do you guys think? It's obviously to my advantage if I was interested in 
such a car.

Dan am I nuts or what?

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

[Allan Streib]

My 300D has a slight vibration at highway speeds.  It's sort of a rumble
that occurs at intervals of a second or two... not a a constant
virbation, and not violent at all.  Barely perceptible.  Hard to tell
where it's coming from.  It's always been there.  I recently replaced
both flex disks, the center bearing, and carrier, and a little before
that replaced the motor and trans mounts.  Replacing the center carrier
removed some vibration at low speeds but the low frequency vibration is
still there at high speeds, perhaps *slightly* reduced.

I was careful to mark the driveshaft halves and put them back together
in the same alignment, but can't be certain that someone did not get
them offset in the ~20 years time prior to my owning the car.

Allan
--
1983 300D

On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:08 -0500, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The idea of swapping the shaft is a good one.  Especially if you can 
> use a known smooth running driveshaft, complete with carrier bearing 
> and rubber.  Here is why:  This just occurred to me as I read your 
> post.  ON the belt idler, the bearing is in the same place all the 
> time, moving maybe + - one degree or so. What happens there is that 
> the bearing wears into "grooves" if viewed parallel to the centerline 
> of the bearing.
> 
> The U-joint in the driveshaft is the same thing.  It is possible that 
> the ujoint seems tight, but is worn into grooves.  The relative 
> weakness of the new rubber center "carrier bearing holder" may be ok 
> with a perfect shaft, but not stiff enough for the imperceptibly worn 
> u-joint, with grooves worn into it.
> 
> I never got the vibration resolved. I drove it with the vibration for 
> years.  On my car, it started after some yahoos took out the 
> driveshaft without my permission to start the work.
> 
> 
> >I have a feeling this is the area I should concentrate; ensure the shaft is
> >perfectly level, which if not, would certainly cause just such a vibration.
> >Will pursue this angle further.  Thanks.

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

[Dieselhead]

The idea of swapping the shaft is a good one.  Especially if you can 
use a known smooth running driveshaft, complete with carrier bearing 
and rubber.  Here is why:  This just occurred to me as I read your 
post.  ON the belt idler, the bearing is in the same place all the 
time, moving maybe + - one degree or so. What happens there is that 
the bearing wears into "grooves" if viewed parallel to the centerline 
of the bearing.


The U-joint in the driveshaft is the same thing.  It is possible that 
the ujoint seems tight, but is worn into grooves.  The relative 
weakness of the new rubber center "carrier bearing holder" may be ok 
with a perfect shaft, but not stiff enough for the imperceptibly worn 
u-joint, with grooves worn into it.


I never got the vibration resolved. I drove it with the vibration for 
years.  On my car, it started after some yahoos took out the 
driveshaft without my permission to start the work.




I have a feeling this is the area I should concentrate; ensure the shaft is
perfectly level, which if not, would certainly cause just such a vibration.
Will pursue this angle further.  Thanks.

Ralph

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


 I chased this on my first SDL also.  One thing that helped: after I changed
 the carrier and the rubber mount again, I noticed the new rubber mount for
 the carrier is not as thick or stiff as the older ones.   THis allowed the
 carrier bearing to sag at rest, and to float around while running.  A
 definite source of vibration.  I cleaned the rubber good with brake cleaner,
 then took blue permatex and built up the mount below the bearing, with the
 driveshaft wired in as near centered as I could make it.  This helped.

 I have suspected that the new carrier bearing mount is not stiff enough to
 do the job, but never could prove it, since I don't have an old rubber mount
 to compare to.

 As Jim said, if any fool takes the driveshaft apart, there are 20 some
 wrong ways to put it back together, and only one right way. Even when you
 try to mark the halves, it is hard to get them aligned right.



 This sort of vibration can be tires, wheel bearings, diff mounts (you

 replaced that) subframe mounts, or a bad half shaft.  Check the axles for
 rotational play (that is, click-click while rotating back and forth.

 You should also check for excessive wear in the spider pinion -- there
 should be very little "backlash" while turning a rear wheel 
before the other

 one moves, along with the pinion (driveshaft).  If one wheel can be move a
 significant amount independent of the others, the diff is worn out.  Will
 clank sometimes, and can vibrate.  My 220D was shot, and I think the "new"
 300D is going to get a transplant soon, as it's bad as well.

 Weak shocks can permit wheel tramp a resonant speeds, so check those, and
 make sure the sway bar bushings in the rear and the links are all 
good, they

 allow the sway bar to vibrate if they are bad.

 Good luck!

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

[Ralph Robertson]

I have a feeling this is the area I should concentrate; ensure the shaft is
perfectly level, which if not, would certainly cause just such a vibration.
Will pursue this angle further.  Thanks.

Ralph

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I chased this on my first SDL also.  One thing that helped: after I changed
> the carrier and the rubber mount again, I noticed the new rubber mount for
> the carrier is not as thick or stiff as the older ones.   THis allowed the
> carrier bearing to sag at rest, and to float around while running.  A
> definite source of vibration.  I cleaned the rubber good with brake cleaner,
> then took blue permatex and built up the mount below the bearing, with the
> driveshaft wired in as near centered as I could make it.  This helped.
>
> I have suspected that the new carrier bearing mount is not stiff enough to
> do the job, but never could prove it, since I don't have an old rubber mount
> to compare to.
>
> As Jim said, if any fool takes the driveshaft apart, there are 20 some
> wrong ways to put it back together, and only one right way. Even when you
> try to mark the halves, it is hard to get them aligned right.
>
>
>
> This sort of vibration can be tires, wheel bearings, diff mounts (you
>> replaced that) subframe mounts, or a bad half shaft.  Check the axles for
>> rotational play (that is, click-click while rotating back and forth.
>>
>> You should also check for excessive wear in the spider pinion -- there
>> should be very little "backlash" while turning a rear wheel before the other
>> one moves, along with the pinion (driveshaft).  If one wheel can be move a
>> significant amount independent of the others, the diff is worn out.  Will
>> clank sometimes, and can vibrate.  My 220D was shot, and I think the "new"
>> 300D is going to get a transplant soon, as it's bad as well.
>>
>> Weak shocks can permit wheel tramp a resonant speeds, so check those, and
>> make sure the sway bar bushings in the rear and the links are all good, they
>> allow the sway bar to vibrate if they are bad.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Peter
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

[Dieselhead]

I chased this on my first SDL also.  One thing that helped: after I 
changed the carrier and the rubber mount again, I noticed the new 
rubber mount for the carrier is not as thick or stiff as the older 
ones.   THis allowed the carrier bearing to sag at rest, and to float 
around while running.  A definite source of vibration.  I cleaned the 
rubber good with brake cleaner, then took blue permatex and built up 
the mount below the bearing, with the driveshaft wired in as near 
centered as I could make it.  This helped.


I have suspected that the new carrier bearing mount is not stiff 
enough to do the job, but never could prove it, since I don't have an 
old rubber mount to compare to.


As Jim said, if any fool takes the driveshaft apart, there are 20 
some wrong ways to put it back together, and only one right way. 
Even when you try to mark the halves, it is hard to get them aligned 
right.



This sort of vibration can be tires, wheel bearings, diff mounts 
(you replaced that) subframe mounts, or a bad half shaft.  Check the 
axles for rotational play (that is, click-click while rotating back 
and forth.


You should also check for excessive wear in the spider pinion -- 
there should be very little "backlash" while turning a rear wheel 
before the other one moves, along with the pinion (driveshaft).  If 
one wheel can be move a significant amount independent of the 
others, the diff is worn out.  Will clank sometimes, and can 
vibrate.  My 220D was shot, and I think the "new" 300D is going to 
get a transplant soon, as it's bad as well.


Weak shocks can permit wheel tramp a resonant speeds, so check 
those, and make sure the sway bar bushings in the rear and the links 
are all good, they allow the sway bar to vibrate if they are bad.


Good luck!

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

[OK Don]

This sounds very similar to the vibration I had in the '87 300SDL that I
traded to Kaleb a while back -- I didnt' do all that you did, but I never
could figure out what it was. My Indie at the time (may he rest in peace)
put it up on the rack, had his wife run it up through the vibration range
(65 MPH, IIRC), and couldn't find the source, though he could reproduce it.

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> The only  help I can offer is that to say this is a strange one for sure.
>  Maybe you should try a completely different driveshaft?
>
>
> On 3/28/2011 10:35 AM, Ralph Robertson wrote:
>
>> An update to my long story:  I have a vibration at certain speeds in my
>> '87
>> 300SDL.  The vehicle is in super condition, with about 130K miles.  This
>> is
>> what I have done thus far:
>> replace transmission output shaft bearing and seal.
>> replace drive shaft center carrier bearing.
>> replace both front and rear drive shaft flex discs.
>> replace differential mount.
>> remove and switch rear axles from left to right.
>> Had motor mounts and trans. mounts checked, but not replaced.  Apparently
>> they are all still good.
>> Had the drive shaft removed, checked out and balanced at a specialty shop
>> in
>> Atlanta, Ga.  It was out of balance slightly, and they added a weight to
>> correct this.
>> The vibration still is noticeable when under acceleration at about 25-30
>> MPH, then smooths out.  At about 45-50 it returns until about 58 MPH, then
>> again smooths out and is not noticeable.  At about 70-75mph, I can feel it
>> again returning slightly.  After having all the above done, the vibration
>> is
>> somewhat reduced and I assume the new rubbers are dampening the issue.
>> The strange thing is the weather seems to have an effect.  When the temp.
>> is
>> around 55F., I can feel this issue, but if it is above say 70 degrees F,
>> it
>> is practically unnoticeable, except for the higher speed vibration.
>> Except for replacing all the mounts, I am at a standstill!  Any ideas?
>> Thanks, Ralph - '87 300SDL
>> '84 300CD
>>
>
> --
>
> --
>
OK Don
2001 ML320
1992 300D 2.5T
1990 300D 2.5T
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

[Peter Frederick]

This sort of vibration can be tires, wheel bearings, diff mounts (you  
replaced that) subframe mounts, or a bad half shaft.  Check the axles  
for rotational play (that is, click-click while rotating back and forth.


You should also check for excessive wear in the spider pinion --  
there should be very little "backlash" while turning a rear wheel  
before the other one moves, along with the pinion (driveshaft).  If  
one wheel can be move a significant amount independent of the others,  
the diff is worn out.  Will clank sometimes, and can vibrate.  My  
220D was shot, and I think the "new" 300D is going to get a  
transplant soon, as it's bad as well.


Weak shocks can permit wheel tramp a resonant speeds, so check those,  
and make sure the sway bar bushings in the rear and the links are all  
good, they allow the sway bar to vibrate if they are bad.


Good luck!

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

The only  help I can offer is that to say this is a strange one 
for sure.  Maybe you should try a completely different driveshaft?


On 3/28/2011 10:35 AM, Ralph Robertson wrote:

An update to my long story:  I have a vibration at certain speeds in my '87
300SDL.  The vehicle is in super condition, with about 130K miles.  This is
what I have done thus far:
replace transmission output shaft bearing and seal.
replace drive shaft center carrier bearing.
replace both front and rear drive shaft flex discs.
replace differential mount.
remove and switch rear axles from left to right.
Had motor mounts and trans. mounts checked, but not replaced.  Apparently
they are all still good.
Had the drive shaft removed, checked out and balanced at a specialty shop in
Atlanta, Ga.  It was out of balance slightly, and they added a weight to
correct this.
The vibration still is noticeable when under acceleration at about 25-30
MPH, then smooths out.  At about 45-50 it returns until about 58 MPH, then
again smooths out and is not noticeable.  At about 70-75mph, I can feel it
again returning slightly.  After having all the above done, the vibration is
somewhat reduced and I assume the new rubbers are dampening the issue.
The strange thing is the weather seems to have an effect.  When the temp. is
around 55F., I can feel this issue, but if it is above say 70 degrees F, it
is practically unnoticeable, except for the higher speed vibration.
Except for replacing all the mounts, I am at a standstill!  Any ideas?
Thanks, Ralph - '87 300SDL
 '84 300CD


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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

[Mike Esh]

Tires and/or rims?

Michael E. Esh


On Mar 28, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Ralph Robertson  wrote:

> An update to my long story:  I have a vibration at certain speeds in my '87
> 300SDL.  The vehicle is in super condition, with about 130K miles.  This is
> what I have done thus far:
> replace transmission output shaft bearing and seal.
> replace drive shaft center carrier bearing.
> replace both front and rear drive shaft flex discs.
> replace differential mount.
> remove and switch rear axles from left to right.
> Had motor mounts and trans. mounts checked, but not replaced.  Apparently
> they are all still good.
> Had the drive shaft removed, checked out and balanced at a specialty shop in
> Atlanta, Ga.  It was out of balance slightly, and they added a weight to
> correct this.
> The vibration still is noticeable when under acceleration at about 25-30
> MPH, then smooths out.  At about 45-50 it returns until about 58 MPH, then
> again smooths out and is not noticeable.  At about 70-75mph, I can feel it
> again returning slightly.  After having all the above done, the vibration is
> somewhat reduced and I assume the new rubbers are dampening the issue.
> The strange thing is the weather seems to have an effect.  When the temp. is
> around 55F., I can feel this issue, but if it is above say 70 degrees F, it
> is practically unnoticeable, except for the higher speed vibration.
> Except for replacing all the mounts, I am at a standstill!  Any ideas?
> Thanks, Ralph - '87 300SDL
>'84 300CD
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Ralph Robertson  wrote:
> 
>> I first replaced all the rubber mountings on the vehicle, but the vibration
>> was still there.  Now hoping the balancing of the shaft will do the trick.
>> Thanks for all input.
>> Ralph
>> 
>>  On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Max Dillon 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Have you tried replacing the rubber bits?  Flex discs on front and rear,
>>> and
>>> carrier bearing with rubber mount; Any/all could be culprit as well.
>>> 
>>> -Max
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
>>> ]
>>> On Behalf Of Ralph Robertson
>>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 8:53 AM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft
>>> 
>>> I am assuming that the driveshaft for the 300SDL would be longer due to
>>> the
>>> longer wheelbase vehicle, but not sure.  I was able to locate a company
>>> that
>>> would overhaul my old driveshaft and balance it, so hoping that will
>>> correct
>>> my vibration issue.  Thanks for the reply.
>>> 
>>> Ralph  '87 300SDL
>>> '84 300CD
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Rich Thomas <
>>> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> There was (is?) an SDL at the knackers nearby, don't know what year, are
>>>> there differences?  Maybe Max and I need to take a trip over there and
>>> check
>>>> various things out.
>>>> 
>>>> --R
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/9/2011 8:12 AM, Ralph Robertson wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I am looking for a used driveshaft for my 1987 300SDL. Can anyone
>>> assist
>>>>> me
>>>>> here?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks. Ralph '87 300SDL
>>>>>  '84 300CD
>>>>> Brooskville, Fl, 34601
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

[Max Dillon]

Tires would be prime suspect, balance and roundness.

Also, rubber mount for carrier bearing?  I see the bearing was replaced, but no 
mention of the mount.

Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!)
'95 E300 281k miles (daily driving duties)
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From: Bob Rentfro 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 11:47:07 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

Tires?

Bob R
On Mar 28, 2011 8:35 AM, "Ralph Robertson"  wrote:
> An update to my long story: I have a vibration at certain speeds in my '87
> 300SDL. The vehicle is in super condition, with about 130K miles. This is
> what I have done thus far:
> replace transmission output shaft bearing and seal.
> replace drive shaft center carrier bearing.
> replace both front and rear drive shaft flex discs.
> replace differential mount.
> remove and switch rear axles from left to right.
> Had motor mounts and trans. mounts checked, but not replaced. Apparently
> they are all still good.
> Had the drive shaft removed, checked out and balanced at a specialty shop
in
> Atlanta, Ga. It was out of balance slightly, and they added a weight to
> correct this.
> The vibration still is noticeable when under acceleration at about 25-30
> MPH, then smooths out. At about 45-50 it returns until about 58 MPH, then
> again smooths out and is not noticeable. At about 70-75mph, I can feel it
> again returning slightly. After having all the above done, the vibration
is
> somewhat reduced and I assume the new rubbers are dampening the issue.
> The strange thing is the weather seems to have an effect. When the temp.
is
> around 55F., I can feel this issue, but if it is above say 70 degrees F,
it
> is practically unnoticeable, except for the higher speed vibration.
> Except for replacing all the mounts, I am at a standstill! Any ideas?
> Thanks, Ralph - '87 300SDL
> '84 300CD
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Ralph Robertson 
wrote:
>
>> I first replaced all the rubber mountings on the vehicle, but the
vibration
>> was still there. Now hoping the balancing of the shaft will do the trick.
>> Thanks for all input.
>> Ralph
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Max Dillon wrote:
>>
>>> Have you tried replacing the rubber bits? Flex discs on front and rear,
>>> and
>>> carrier bearing with rubber mount; Any/all could be culprit as well.
>>>
>>> -Max
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:
mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
>>> ]
>>> On Behalf Of Ralph Robertson
>>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 8:53 AM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft
>>>
>>> I am assuming that the driveshaft for the 300SDL would be longer due to
>>> the
>>> longer wheelbase vehicle, but not sure. I was able to locate a company
>>> that
>>> would overhaul my old driveshaft and balance it, so hoping that will
>>> correct
>>> my vibration issue. Thanks for the reply.
>>>
>>> Ralph '87 300SDL
>>> '84 300CD
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Rich Thomas <
>>> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> > There was (is?) an SDL at the knackers nearby, don't know what year,
are
>>> > there differences? Maybe Max and I need to take a trip over there and
>>> check
>>> > various things out.
>>> >
>>> > --R
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 3/9/2011 8:12 AM, Ralph Robertson wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I am looking for a used driveshaft for my 1987 300SDL. Can anyone
>>> assist
>>> >> me
>>> >> here?
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks. Ralph '87 300SDL
>>> >> '84 300CD
>>> >> Brooskville, Fl, 34601
>>> >> ___
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

[Mitch Haley]

Bob Rentfro wrote:

Tires?


Rotate front to rear, see if vibration moves up front.
Also, I don't see any mention of wheel bearings.
Maybe Peter F has a better idea.
MLH.

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

[Bob Rentfro]

Tires?

Bob R
On Mar 28, 2011 8:35 AM, "Ralph Robertson"  wrote:
> An update to my long story: I have a vibration at certain speeds in my '87
> 300SDL. The vehicle is in super condition, with about 130K miles. This is
> what I have done thus far:
> replace transmission output shaft bearing and seal.
> replace drive shaft center carrier bearing.
> replace both front and rear drive shaft flex discs.
> replace differential mount.
> remove and switch rear axles from left to right.
> Had motor mounts and trans. mounts checked, but not replaced. Apparently
> they are all still good.
> Had the drive shaft removed, checked out and balanced at a specialty shop
in
> Atlanta, Ga. It was out of balance slightly, and they added a weight to
> correct this.
> The vibration still is noticeable when under acceleration at about 25-30
> MPH, then smooths out. At about 45-50 it returns until about 58 MPH, then
> again smooths out and is not noticeable. At about 70-75mph, I can feel it
> again returning slightly. After having all the above done, the vibration
is
> somewhat reduced and I assume the new rubbers are dampening the issue.
> The strange thing is the weather seems to have an effect. When the temp.
is
> around 55F., I can feel this issue, but if it is above say 70 degrees F,
it
> is practically unnoticeable, except for the higher speed vibration.
> Except for replacing all the mounts, I am at a standstill! Any ideas?
> Thanks, Ralph - '87 300SDL
> '84 300CD
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Ralph Robertson 
wrote:
>
>> I first replaced all the rubber mountings on the vehicle, but the
vibration
>> was still there. Now hoping the balancing of the shaft will do the trick.
>> Thanks for all input.
>> Ralph
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Max Dillon wrote:
>>
>>> Have you tried replacing the rubber bits? Flex discs on front and rear,
>>> and
>>> carrier bearing with rubber mount; Any/all could be culprit as well.
>>>
>>> -Max
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:
mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
>>> ]
>>> On Behalf Of Ralph Robertson
>>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 8:53 AM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft
>>>
>>> I am assuming that the driveshaft for the 300SDL would be longer due to
>>> the
>>> longer wheelbase vehicle, but not sure. I was able to locate a company
>>> that
>>> would overhaul my old driveshaft and balance it, so hoping that will
>>> correct
>>> my vibration issue. Thanks for the reply.
>>>
>>> Ralph '87 300SDL
>>> '84 300CD
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Rich Thomas <
>>> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> > There was (is?) an SDL at the knackers nearby, don't know what year,
are
>>> > there differences? Maybe Max and I need to take a trip over there and
>>> check
>>> > various things out.
>>> >
>>> > --R
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 3/9/2011 8:12 AM, Ralph Robertson wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I am looking for a used driveshaft for my 1987 300SDL. Can anyone
>>> assist
>>> >> me
>>> >> here?
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks. Ralph '87 300SDL
>>> >> '84 300CD
>>> >> Brooskville, Fl, 34601
>>> >> ___
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

[Ralph Robertson]

An update to my long story:  I have a vibration at certain speeds in my '87
300SDL.  The vehicle is in super condition, with about 130K miles.  This is
what I have done thus far:
replace transmission output shaft bearing and seal.
replace drive shaft center carrier bearing.
replace both front and rear drive shaft flex discs.
replace differential mount.
remove and switch rear axles from left to right.
Had motor mounts and trans. mounts checked, but not replaced.  Apparently
they are all still good.
Had the drive shaft removed, checked out and balanced at a specialty shop in
Atlanta, Ga.  It was out of balance slightly, and they added a weight to
correct this.
The vibration still is noticeable when under acceleration at about 25-30
MPH, then smooths out.  At about 45-50 it returns until about 58 MPH, then
again smooths out and is not noticeable.  At about 70-75mph, I can feel it
again returning slightly.  After having all the above done, the vibration is
somewhat reduced and I assume the new rubbers are dampening the issue.
The strange thing is the weather seems to have an effect.  When the temp. is
around 55F., I can feel this issue, but if it is above say 70 degrees F, it
is practically unnoticeable, except for the higher speed vibration.
Except for replacing all the mounts, I am at a standstill!  Any ideas?
Thanks, Ralph - '87 300SDL
'84 300CD
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Ralph Robertson  wrote:

> I first replaced all the rubber mountings on the vehicle, but the vibration
> was still there.  Now hoping the balancing of the shaft will do the trick.
> Thanks for all input.
> Ralph
>
>   On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Max Dillon 
> wrote:
>
>> Have you tried replacing the rubber bits?  Flex discs on front and rear,
>> and
>> carrier bearing with rubber mount; Any/all could be culprit as well.
>>
>> -Max
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
>> ]
>> On Behalf Of Ralph Robertson
>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 8:53 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft
>>
>>  I am assuming that the driveshaft for the 300SDL would be longer due to
>> the
>> longer wheelbase vehicle, but not sure.  I was able to locate a company
>> that
>> would overhaul my old driveshaft and balance it, so hoping that will
>> correct
>> my vibration issue.  Thanks for the reply.
>>
>> Ralph  '87 300SDL
>>  '84 300CD
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Rich Thomas <
>> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>>
>> > There was (is?) an SDL at the knackers nearby, don't know what year, are
>> > there differences?  Maybe Max and I need to take a trip over there and
>> check
>> > various things out.
>> >
>> > --R
>> >
>> >
>> > On 3/9/2011 8:12 AM, Ralph Robertson wrote:
>> >
>> >>  I am looking for a used driveshaft for my 1987 300SDL. Can anyone
>> assist
>> >> me
>> >> here?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks. Ralph '87 300SDL
>> >>   '84 300CD
>> >>  Brooskville, Fl, 34601
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

[Ralph Robertson]

I first replaced all the rubber mountings on the vehicle, but the vibration
was still there.  Now hoping the balancing of the shaft will do the trick.
Thanks for all input.
Ralph

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

> Have you tried replacing the rubber bits?  Flex discs on front and rear,
> and
> carrier bearing with rubber mount; Any/all could be culprit as well.
>
> -Max
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Ralph Robertson
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 8:53 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft
>
>  I am assuming that the driveshaft for the 300SDL would be longer due to
> the
> longer wheelbase vehicle, but not sure.  I was able to locate a company
> that
> would overhaul my old driveshaft and balance it, so hoping that will
> correct
> my vibration issue.  Thanks for the reply.
>
> Ralph  '87 300SDL
>  '84 300CD
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Rich Thomas <
> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>
> > There was (is?) an SDL at the knackers nearby, don't know what year, are
> > there differences?  Maybe Max and I need to take a trip over there and
> check
> > various things out.
> >
> > --R
> >
> >
> > On 3/9/2011 8:12 AM, Ralph Robertson wrote:
> >
> >>  I am looking for a used driveshaft for my 1987 300SDL. Can anyone
> assist
> >> me
> >> here?
> >>
> >> Thanks. Ralph '87 300SDL
> >>   '84 300CD
> >>  Brooskville, Fl, 34601
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

[Max Dillon]

Have you tried replacing the rubber bits?  Flex discs on front and rear, and
carrier bearing with rubber mount; Any/all could be culprit as well.

-Max

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Ralph Robertson
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 8:53 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

I am assuming that the driveshaft for the 300SDL would be longer due to the
longer wheelbase vehicle, but not sure.  I was able to locate a company that
would overhaul my old driveshaft and balance it, so hoping that will correct
my vibration issue.  Thanks for the reply.

Ralph  '87 300SDL
  '84 300CD

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> There was (is?) an SDL at the knackers nearby, don't know what year, are
> there differences?  Maybe Max and I need to take a trip over there and
check
> various things out.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 3/9/2011 8:12 AM, Ralph Robertson wrote:
>
>>  I am looking for a used driveshaft for my 1987 300SDL. Can anyone assist
>> me
>> here?
>>
>> Thanks. Ralph '87 300SDL
>>   '84 300CD
>>  Brooskville, Fl, 34601
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

[Ralph Robertson]

I am assuming that the driveshaft for the 300SDL would be longer due to the
longer wheelbase vehicle, but not sure.  I was able to locate a company that
would overhaul my old driveshaft and balance it, so hoping that will correct
my vibration issue.  Thanks for the reply.

Ralph  '87 300SDL
  '84 300CD

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> There was (is?) an SDL at the knackers nearby, don't know what year, are
> there differences?  Maybe Max and I need to take a trip over there and check
> various things out.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 3/9/2011 8:12 AM, Ralph Robertson wrote:
>
>>  I am looking for a used driveshaft for my 1987 300SDL. Can anyone assist
>> me
>> here?
>>
>> Thanks. Ralph '87 300SDL
>>   '84 300CD
>>  Brooskville, Fl, 34601
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Yea I guess I do have one depending on if I fix the car or dont fix the 
car.  I need to retire and sell parts full time.


Dieselhead wrote:
I have a spare for an 87 300D.  Does anyone know if it is the same 
shaft?  Otherwise, car-part.com is a good resource if Herr Listmom 
does not have one.  Kaleb should have one, it is just a matter of him 
having time to extract the driveshaft.



Sure, I'll get the head while we're at it.  Rich - should I make a 
petition with

SWMBO for Saturday?

Actually I have a long list of little niggling things I would like to 
get, like
an original fuel cap, various screws, a 124 dash vent - passenger 
side, SLS

reservoir tank mounts for my '87 wagon, etc etc etc.

 Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 334k miles
'95 E300 280k miles
'73 Balboa 20
Charleston SC





From: Rich Thomas 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:04:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

There was (is?) an SDL at the knackers nearby, don't know what year, are
there differences?  Maybe Max and I need to take a trip over there and
check various things out.

--R

On 3/9/2011 8:12 AM, Ralph Robertson wrote:
 I am looking for a used driveshaft for my 1987 300SDL. Can anyone 
assist me

 here?

 Thanks. Ralph '87 300SDL
'84 300CD
   Brooskville, Fl, 34601
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

[Gerry Archer]

Did you check with Anthonys on Route 50?  He's semi-retired last I heard
and might have one in the back he'd part with.  Isn't there a U-Pull-it in 
the
Tampa area that specializes in foreign cars?  If you can't find one 
elsewhere,

Potomac German Auto might have one for a price.  They have a yard in
Jacksonville. www.pgauto.com
Gerry
'83 300D and 240D
-
From: "Ralph Robertson" 

I am looking for a used driveshaft for my 1987 300SDL. Can anyone assist me
here?
Thanks. Ralph '87 300SDL

'84 300CD

Brooskville, Fl, 34601



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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

[Dieselhead]

I have a spare for an 87 300D.  Does anyone know if it is the same 
shaft?  Otherwise, car-part.com is a good resource if Herr Listmom 
does not have one.  Kaleb should have one, it is just a matter of him 
having time to extract the driveshaft.



Sure, I'll get the head while we're at it.  Rich - should I make a 
petition with

SWMBO for Saturday?

Actually I have a long list of little niggling things I would like 
to get, like

an original fuel cap, various screws, a 124 dash vent - passenger side, SLS
reservoir tank mounts for my '87 wagon, etc etc etc.

 Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 334k miles
'95 E300 280k miles
'73 Balboa 20
Charleston SC





From: Rich Thomas 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:04:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

There was (is?) an SDL at the knackers nearby, don't know what year, are
there differences?  Maybe Max and I need to take a trip over there and
check various things out.

--R

On 3/9/2011 8:12 AM, Ralph Robertson wrote:

 I am looking for a used driveshaft for my 1987 300SDL. Can anyone assist me
 here?

 Thanks. Ralph '87 300SDL
'84 300CD
   Brooskville, Fl, 34601
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

[Max Dillon]

Sure, I'll get the head while we're at it.  Rich - should I make a petition 
with 
SWMBO for Saturday?

Actually I have a long list of little niggling things I would like to get, like 
an original fuel cap, various screws, a 124 dash vent - passenger side, SLS 
reservoir tank mounts for my '87 wagon, etc etc etc.

 Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 334k miles
'95 E300 280k miles
'73 Balboa 20
Charleston SC





From: Rich Thomas 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:04:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

There was (is?) an SDL at the knackers nearby, don't know what year, are 
there differences?  Maybe Max and I need to take a trip over there and 
check various things out.

--R

On 3/9/2011 8:12 AM, Ralph Robertson wrote:
> I am looking for a used driveshaft for my 1987 300SDL. Can anyone assist me
> here?
>
> Thanks. Ralph '87 300SDL
>'84 300CD
>   Brooskville, Fl, 34601
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

[Rich Thomas]

There was (is?) an SDL at the knackers nearby, don't know what year, are 
there differences?  Maybe Max and I need to take a trip over there and 
check various things out.


--R

On 3/9/2011 8:12 AM, Ralph Robertson wrote:

I am looking for a used driveshaft for my 1987 300SDL. Can anyone assist me
here?

Thanks. Ralph '87 300SDL
   '84 300CD
  Brooskville, Fl, 34601
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[MBZ] 1987 300SDL Driveshaft

[Ralph Robertson]

I am looking for a used driveshaft for my 1987 300SDL. Can anyone assist me
here?

Thanks. Ralph '87 300SDL
  '84 300CD
 Brooskville, Fl, 34601
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[MBZ] 1987 300SDL F/Sale

[Limon276]

My father is selling his 1987 300 SDL. I was going to put it on Ebay but  
not sure what to start it at. Does anyone have suggestions at what I should  
start it at? The engine seems good with 200,000 miles on it, but it has 
tranny  issues in low gears. (any suggestions)slight rust and some paint fade. 
Typical  south New York stuff. (Car is located in zip 11422) Thanks everyone, 
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[MBZ] 1987 300SDL For Sale

[Tarek Elshenawy]

All who inquired, here are the details. Asking $4,000. Average NADA retail
$5,250.

1987 Mercedes-Benz 300SDL
VIN: WDBCB25D8HA329743
Mileage: 269,853
Paint Code: 623 [Light Ivory]
Interior Code: 273 [Leather Brazil Brown]

I bought the car as a second owner in March of 2003 with 180,126 miles. The
original owner purchased the car in New Bern, NC and the car has been in
North Carolina ever since.

Aesthetically, the car is in great shape. Being a 'North Carolina native'
the car has no rust whatsoever. The paint is original and in great shape for
its age. The interior is in overall great shape, with the only exception
being the cracks in the leather on the bottom front seat cushions. The dash
has no cracks in it whatsoever; likewise for the Zebrano wood trim, all of
which is in great condition for its age.

Unfortunately in February of 2005, the car was involved in a low speed,
parking lot accident. The only damaged parts were the passenger side
headlight, front bumper, and front passenger side fender. There was
absolutely NO damage to the hood, unibody, suspension or anything inside the
engine compartment. The car was fixed immediately following the accident
with OEM and NOS parts only. This was also my 'golden opportunity' to
retrofit the car with original Bosch European headlights (with working city
lights).

As far as maintenance is concerned, only Mobil Delvac 1300 Super 15W-40 has
been used. The coolant, air filter, transmission filter, main fuel filter,
inline fuel filter, brake fluid, power steering fluid, power steering filter
have all been changed at regular intervals using German products and
lubricants when available. This includes exclusive use of Mercedes, Knecht,
Mann and Heingst products.

Regarding the mechanical qualities of the car, the car has an overall tight,
solid feel; rare in a W126 with such mileage. The engine is a strong 603
motor with no problems at all. No need to worry about the infamous OM603.961
cylinder head problem; the cylinder head was replaced with a newer stamped
version purchased from Potomac German Auto. Of course, the trap oxidizer was
long gone before I purchased the car. The engine and IP are leak-free thanks
to new seals. The transmission is in great shape, shifts flawlessly and is
leak-free. The suspension makes for a great ride, as a majority of its
components were replaced before I bought the car.

Everything inside and out of the car is functioning properly. The following
items were recently replaced:

-New thermostat
-New coolant reservoir cap
-6 new glow plugs
-New IP seals
-New ABS wheel sensors (right and left)
-New Michelin MXV-4 tires all around

If you have any questions, please feel free to email me off list and I will
be happy to answer them. I will try to provide pictures as soon as possible.

Regards,

Tarek Elshenawy
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL

[Luther - laptop]

Nah, you sold it to me too cheap.  Thanks :)

Luther

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:19:26 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> I will give you a refund.
>
> Luther - laptop wrote:
>> You should really fix this damn pre-chamber problem on my SDL that YOU
>> sold me.  Butthead.
>>
>> Luther
>>
>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:40:44 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin, work
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> That is why I do not like to sell cars to people I know, unless they  
>>> know
>>> how to work on their own Mercedes. I have friends or acquaintances  
>>> always
>>> wanting to know if I have a Mercedes I can sell them.  I always say no
>>> because when something goes wrong they will be wanting me to fix it.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Kaleb C. Striplin
>>> Cox Auto Trader
>>> 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor
>>>
>>
>



-- 
Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
'87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case
'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi)
'82 300CD (170 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL and Red Stick Benz

[Jim Cathey]

> The "boy" wants to pay me with a certified cashier's check from Bank of
> America.

If you also have an account at BofA, you can just use
a transfer slip.  I've bought/sold several cars that way.
Right there in the lobby.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL and Red Stick Benz

[LarryT]

Call BoA and make sure the CC is valid - not counterfeit and bought for 
the face amount.  They will have a record of it and should be able to tell 
you pretty quickly.  If they give you any trouble tell them if the CC 
bounces you will tell TV/News/everyone how BoA refused to tell you if one of 
their products was legit and that you were screwed out of $X directly 
because of BoA's inaction and lack of customer service..  That usually gets 
their attention.

Good luck -

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- Original Message - 
From: "Dave H..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL and Red Stick Benz


> Those were exactly my thoughts as well, but drive away he did???
>
> What have I done to that poor SDL:(
>
> Concerning the Red brick:
> The "boy" wants to pay me with a certified cashier's check from Bank of
> America.
>
> Anything I should be careful of?
>
>
> DAve H...
>
>
> Dave H...
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:54 AM
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987  300SDL and Red Stick Benz
>
>> i bet its also messed up.  You cant really replace anything till you
>> figure out what caused the problem in the first place though.  If it was
>> driven any distance at all like that it did overheat and crack the head.
>>
>> Peter T. Arnold wrote:
>>> Don't change that belt with out doing a critical check on it's shock
>>> and idler!
>>>
>>> BTDT
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Peter T. Arnold
>>>
>>> 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems!
>>> 1987 300SDL  286 KMI  Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio
>>> 1995 F-250 PowerChoke  199Kmi
>>> 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
>>> Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that
>>> is!
>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:11:44 -0500, you wrote:
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>>  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic,
>>  91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>>  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL and Red Stick Benz

[Dave H...]

I emailed him back asking why he could not just pay in cash.  His response: 
"I need some kind of receipt."  My response:  "Better come with either cash 
or during banking hours when WE can go to the bank and get the cash."

This past summer I really got S'd when I explicitly asked for cash or a 
certified check, accepted the check and then found out it was a Credit Card 
Check.  It took 30 days for that credit card check to clear.  Don't make 
that mistake folks!


Dave H...

--
From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 4:06 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL and Red Stick Benz

> More than likely he's financing the balance and the check is from the
> bank.
>
> Tom
> www.kegkits.com
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Received: 12/29/07 2:47 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> CC:
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL and Red Stick Benz
>
> Yeah - if he can pay with a certified BofA check, why isn't he paying
> with
> cash?  Cash only, esp from this weasel.
>
> On Dec 29, 2007 2:37 PM, Dave H... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Those were exactly my thoughts as well, but drive away he did???
>>
>> What have I done to that poor SDL:(
>>
>> Concerning the Red brick:
>> The "boy" wants to pay me with a certified cashier's check from Bank
> of
>> America.
>>
>> Anything I should be careful of?
>>
>>
>> DAve H...
>>
>>
>> Dave H...
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:54 AM
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987  300SDL and Red Stick Benz
>>
>> > i bet its also messed up.  You cant really replace anything till you
>> > figure out what caused the problem in the first place though.  If it
> was
>> > driven any distance at all like that it did overheat and crack the
> head.
>> >
>> > Peter T. Arnold wrote:
>> >> Don't change that belt with out doing a critical check on it's
> shock
>> >> and idler!
>> >>
>> >> BTDT
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Peter T. Arnold
>> >>
>> >> 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems!
>> >> 1987 300SDL  286 KMI  Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio
>> >> 1995 F-250 PowerChoke  199Kmi
>> >> 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
>> >> Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that
>> >> is!
>> >> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:11:44 -0500, you wrote:
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>> >  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic,
>> >  91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0
> Euro,
>> >  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>> >  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL and Red Stick Benz

[Tom Hargrave]

More than likely he's financing the balance and the check is from the
bank.

Tom
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- Original Message -
From: Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: 12/29/07 2:47 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
CC: 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL and Red Stick Benz

Yeah - if he can pay with a certified BofA check, why isn't he paying
with
cash?  Cash only, esp from this weasel.

On Dec 29, 2007 2:37 PM, Dave H... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Those were exactly my thoughts as well, but drive away he did???
>
> What have I done to that poor SDL:(
>
> Concerning the Red brick:
> The "boy" wants to pay me with a certified cashier's check from Bank
of
> America.
>
> Anything I should be careful of?
>
>
> DAve H...
>
>
> Dave H...
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:54 AM
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987  300SDL and Red Stick Benz
>
> > i bet its also messed up.  You cant really replace anything till you
> > figure out what caused the problem in the first place though.  If it
was
> > driven any distance at all like that it did overheat and crack the
head.
> >
> > Peter T. Arnold wrote:
> >> Don't change that belt with out doing a critical check on it's
shock
> >> and idler!
> >>
> >> BTDT
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Peter T. Arnold
> >>
> >> 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems!
> >> 1987 300SDL  286 KMI  Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio
> >> 1995 F-250 PowerChoke  199Kmi
> >> 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
> >> Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that
> >> is!
> >> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:11:44 -0500, you wrote:
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
> >  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic,
> >  91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0
Euro,
> >  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D,
> >  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
> > http://www.okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL and Red Stick Benz

[Mitch Haley]

"Dave H..." wrote:
> 
> The "boy" wants to pay me with a certified cashier's check from Bank of
> America.
> Anything I should be careful of?

Getting arrested?

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7174

Normally I'd say take it to the local BoA branch and exchange it for cash,
but stories like I linked above give me pause. How much does he owe? More
than would be reasonable to carry in your pocket in cash?

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL and Red Stick Benz

[Sunil Hari]

Yeah - if he can pay with a certified BofA check, why isn't he paying with
cash?  Cash only, esp from this weasel.

On Dec 29, 2007 2:37 PM, Dave H... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Those were exactly my thoughts as well, but drive away he did???
>
> What have I done to that poor SDL:(
>
> Concerning the Red brick:
> The "boy" wants to pay me with a certified cashier's check from Bank of
> America.
>
> Anything I should be careful of?
>
>
> DAve H...
>
>
> Dave H...
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:54 AM
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987  300SDL and Red Stick Benz
>
> > i bet its also messed up.  You cant really replace anything till you
> > figure out what caused the problem in the first place though.  If it was
> > driven any distance at all like that it did overheat and crack the head.
> >
> > Peter T. Arnold wrote:
> >> Don't change that belt with out doing a critical check on it's shock
> >> and idler!
> >>
> >> BTDT
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Peter T. Arnold
> >>
> >> 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems!
> >> 1987 300SDL  286 KMI  Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio
> >> 1995 F-250 PowerChoke  199Kmi
> >> 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
> >> Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that
> >> is!
> >> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:11:44 -0500, you wrote:
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
> >  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic,
> >  91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
> >  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D,
> >  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL and Red Stick Benz

[Dave H...]

Those were exactly my thoughts as well, but drive away he did???

What have I done to that poor SDL:(

Concerning the Red brick:
The "boy" wants to pay me with a certified cashier's check from Bank of 
America.

Anything I should be careful of?


DAve H...


Dave H...



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Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:54 AM
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987  300SDL and Red Stick Benz

> i bet its also messed up.  You cant really replace anything till you
> figure out what caused the problem in the first place though.  If it was
> driven any distance at all like that it did overheat and crack the head.
>
> Peter T. Arnold wrote:
>> Don't change that belt with out doing a critical check on it's shock
>> and idler!
>>
>> BTDT
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Peter T. Arnold
>>
>> 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems!
>> 1987 300SDL  286 KMI  Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio
>> 1995 F-250 PowerChoke  199Kmi
>> 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
>> Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that
>> is!
>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:11:44 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>
> -- 
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic,
>  91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
> http://www.okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL and Red Stick Benz

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

i bet its also messed up.  You cant really replace anything till you 
figure out what caused the problem in the first place though.  If it was 
driven any distance at all like that it did overheat and crack the head.

Peter T. Arnold wrote:
> Don't change that belt with out doing a critical check on it's shock
> and idler!
> 
> BTDT
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Peter T. Arnold
> 
> 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems!
> 1987 300SDL  286 KMI  Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio
> 1995 F-250 PowerChoke  199Kmi
> 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
> Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that
> is!
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:11:44 -0500, you wrote:
> 

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  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic,
  91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL and Red Stick Benz

[Peter T . Arnold]

Don't change that belt with out doing a critical check on it's shock
and idler!

BTDT


--

Regards,

Peter T. Arnold

2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems!
1987 300SDL  286 KMI  Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio
1995 F-250 PowerChoke  199Kmi
1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that
is!
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:11:44 -0500, you wrote:

>Bill,
>
>I very much like your idea.
>
>Group,
>
>Supposedly the owner of the 300SDL, in conversation, will be by with a new 
>serpentine belt and replace it today.
>
>Also supposedly, the "boy" will be here on January third to pay off and take 
>delivery of this vehicles  We shall see!  The "boy" seems to be avoiding my 
>demand that the final payment, to avoid repossession, has to be in cash.
>
>
>Dave H...
>
>--
>From: "Bill " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 8:57 AM
>To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987  300SDL
>
>> This far from a field I have experience in from either side, but one idea 
>> a
>> talk show guy suggested a few years ago does make sense.  Make the payment
>> some percentage higher than the actual monthly cost and them give a
>> 'discount' for paying on time.  He was talking about rent, but it should
>> work the same, and that way the extra cost of a problem buyer and
>> repossession is built into the deal.
>> BillR
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work
>> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:50 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL
>>
>> If I were to ever "finance" a vehicle for somebody, they would be paying a
>> little extra AND the car would not leave until they had it paid off.  Even
>> then you can be on shakey ground.
>>
>> ---
>> Kaleb C. Striplin
>> Cox Auto Trader
>> 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL
>>
>>
>>> Yep, IMO used car salesmen get a bad rep from everyone - no matter what
>>> they
>>> do they get blamed - no matter how hard they try to make the customer
>>> happy
>>> they still get blamed.
>>>
>>> Dude!  You gotta stop making interest free loans - that costs you money -
>>> and you need paper saying if they want out or don;t make payments the
>>> ownership stays with *you* as being the sole owner.  The registration can
>>> stay in your name as long as they have insurance, pay the
>>> title/registration
>>> fees and make all payments as agreeed.  Then, if they stop sending you
>>> money
>>> or making payments, it will be easy to get the vehicle back - relatively
>>> speaking of course.
>>>
>>> There are ways but at some point the friendship will become strained -
>>> which
>>> is better than destroying it they way they have been treating you.
>>>
>>> They want a business warranty while having a friends loan.  You in deep
>>> do-doo.  ;-)
>>>
>>> In he future, if someone wants to buy a car you own, put it in an
>>> impartial
>>> parties hands and let them sell it to them.  I bet your friends walks
>>> away.
>>>
>>> Take care -
>>> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
>>> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
>>> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
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>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Dave H..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:57 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL
>>>
>>>
>>>> Kaleb,
>>>>
>>>> This guy has three times the mechanical ability I have.  We both produce
>>>> biodiesel but my processing is like kindergarten compared to his.  He
>>>> produces over 4,000 gallons per week.
>>>>
>>>> I guess there is no way to say this without being a snob, but - did you
>>>> ever
>>>> get the feeling that som

Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL; No good deed ever goes unpunished

[Robert Bigham]

And how!  

Years ago I went on a road trip to rescue of a young 
relative who owned a VW bug:  Valve clearances had 
closed up and the thing overheated and stopped on the 
road about 100 miles from here and 80 miles from 
her home.

I drove the 100 miles, loosened up the valves, and BTW 
gave her a used tire that I had ratholed, because she 
had no spare.  She'd ruined a tire on the way. Told her I 
didn't know if it was good or not, but since it held air it 
was a lot better than no spare.

She drove on home and the bug ran OK.  I drove 100 
miles back, and thougt how I had done something good 
for once.

Months later she let me know the free tire had come 
apart after short use.  Seemed to think I had made her 
a victim by giving her a tire that proved to be a POS.  

No good deed ever goes unpunished.

Mark Twain said that if you take a stray dog, feed 
it and make it prosperous, it will not bite you, and that
is the principal difference between dogs and humans.  

But I do not learn from all my mistakes, and continue 
to try to help people out when I can.  DUH!  Robert 

--
"Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> WROTE
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL
>>>
>>>
>>>>A car deal gone south can hurt a friendship in a hurry.
>>>>
>>>> I sold a 1978 Olds Cutlass to my Sister In-law & 3 months later, I got 
>>>> a
>>>> call. She litterally screamed at me through the phone. The car was at a
>>>> local garage with 2 blow head gaskets & she accused me of selling her a
>>>> lemon.
>>>>
>>>> I asked what happen and she stated that the red "Hot" light came on. I
>>>> asked what she did next and she stated that she drove it (17 miles) to 
>>>> a
>>>> friends house. And why? Because her friend had a phone she could use -
>>>> this was pre-cell phone.
>>>>
>>>> As it turns out, the radiator spring a leak & the coolent ran low. This
>>>> was 100% her fault but if you ask her today, 20 years later, she will
>>>> still tell you that I sold her a lemon. At least I didn't finance the
>>>> car.
>>>>



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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL and Red Stick Benz

[Dave H...]

Bill,

I very much like your idea.

Group,

Supposedly the owner of the 300SDL, in conversation, will be by with a new 
serpentine belt and replace it today.

Also supposedly, the "boy" will be here on January third to pay off and take 
delivery of this vehicles  We shall see!  The "boy" seems to be avoiding my 
demand that the final payment, to avoid repossession, has to be in cash.


Dave H...

--
From: "Bill " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 8:57 AM
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987  300SDL

> This far from a field I have experience in from either side, but one idea 
> a
> talk show guy suggested a few years ago does make sense.  Make the payment
> some percentage higher than the actual monthly cost and them give a
> 'discount' for paying on time.  He was talking about rent, but it should
> work the same, and that way the extra cost of a problem buyer and
> repossession is built into the deal.
> BillR
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:50 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL
>
> If I were to ever "finance" a vehicle for somebody, they would be paying a
> little extra AND the car would not leave until they had it paid off.  Even
> then you can be on shakey ground.
>
> ---
> Kaleb C. Striplin
> Cox Auto Trader
> 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL
>
>
>> Yep, IMO used car salesmen get a bad rep from everyone - no matter what
>> they
>> do they get blamed - no matter how hard they try to make the customer
>> happy
>> they still get blamed.
>>
>> Dude!  You gotta stop making interest free loans - that costs you money -
>> and you need paper saying if they want out or don;t make payments the
>> ownership stays with *you* as being the sole owner.  The registration can
>> stay in your name as long as they have insurance, pay the
>> title/registration
>> fees and make all payments as agreeed.  Then, if they stop sending you
>> money
>> or making payments, it will be easy to get the vehicle back - relatively
>> speaking of course.
>>
>> There are ways but at some point the friendship will become strained -
>> which
>> is better than destroying it they way they have been treating you.
>>
>> They want a business warranty while having a friends loan.  You in deep
>> do-doo.  ;-)
>>
>> In he future, if someone wants to buy a car you own, put it in an
>> impartial
>> parties hands and let them sell it to them.  I bet your friends walks
>> away.
>>
>> Take care -
>> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
>> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
>> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
>> PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
>> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
>> .
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Dave H..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL
>>
>>
>>> Kaleb,
>>>
>>> This guy has three times the mechanical ability I have.  We both produce
>>> biodiesel but my processing is like kindergarten compared to his.  He
>>> produces over 4,000 gallons per week.
>>>
>>> I guess there is no way to say this without being a snob, but - did you
>>> ever
>>> get the feeling that some people just don't possess something  
>>> making
>>> them worthy of owning a Mercedes?   I am beginning to wonder if perhaps
>>> they
>>> would not have been happier with a dependable/beat up looking pick up?
>>>
>>> So far this year I have lost my shirt selling Mercedes vehicles.  Mostly
>>> to
>>> people I knew some on EBay and no one ever seems happy with their
>>> purchases.
>>> It seems the harder I work to help someone else the more it comes back 
>>> to
>>> bite me in the A!  I have a 300D manual right now a beautiful "Dark 
>>> Brick
>>> Red" color it has some challenges all minor.  I sold that one on EBay 
>>> for
>>> a
>>> $2,000.00 loss, allowed the guy to store it h

Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL

[Curt Raymond]

Wait, where are you at? I'm super interested in something like this...


-Curt

Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:54:41 -0500
From: "Dave H..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL
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Alex,

As I understand the history of this vehicle it was born and raised in 
Germany.  It does have both the European front and rear bumpers, but
 the 
American headlights.

It has the cloth interior and is a standard.

It came to America with its original purchaser in 1998/99  and I bought
 it 
in 03/04.


Dave H...

   
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I will give you a refund.

Luther - laptop wrote:
> You should really fix this damn pre-chamber problem on my SDL that YOU  
> sold me.  Butthead.
> 
> Luther
> 
> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:40:44 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin, work  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> That is why I do not like to sell cars to people I know, unless they know
>> how to work on their own Mercedes. I have friends or acquaintances always
>> wanting to know if I have a Mercedes I can sell them.  I always say no
>> because when something goes wrong they will be wanting me to fix it.
>>
>> ---
>> Kaleb C. Striplin
>> Cox Auto Trader
>> 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor
>>
> 

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  91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D,
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL

[Bill]

This far from a field I have experience in from either side, but one idea a
talk show guy suggested a few years ago does make sense.  Make the payment
some percentage higher than the actual monthly cost and them give a
'discount' for paying on time.  He was talking about rent, but it should
work the same, and that way the extra cost of a problem buyer and
repossession is built into the deal.
BillR 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:50 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL

If I were to ever "finance" a vehicle for somebody, they would be paying a 
little extra AND the car would not leave until they had it paid off.  Even 
then you can be on shakey ground.

---
Kaleb C. Striplin
Cox Auto Trader
730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor

- Original Message - 
From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL


> Yep, IMO used car salesmen get a bad rep from everyone - no matter what 
> they
> do they get blamed - no matter how hard they try to make the customer 
> happy
> they still get blamed.
>
> Dude!  You gotta stop making interest free loans - that costs you money -
> and you need paper saying if they want out or don;t make payments the
> ownership stays with *you* as being the sole owner.  The registration can
> stay in your name as long as they have insurance, pay the 
> title/registration
> fees and make all payments as agreeed.  Then, if they stop sending you 
> money
> or making payments, it will be easy to get the vehicle back - relatively
> speaking of course.
>
> There are ways but at some point the friendship will become strained - 
> which
> is better than destroying it they way they have been treating you.
>
> They want a business warranty while having a friends loan.  You in deep
> do-doo.  ;-)
>
> In he future, if someone wants to buy a car you own, put it in an 
> impartial
> parties hands and let them sell it to them.  I bet your friends walks 
> away.
>
> Take care -
> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
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> .
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dave H..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL
>
>
>> Kaleb,
>>
>> This guy has three times the mechanical ability I have.  We both produce
>> biodiesel but my processing is like kindergarten compared to his.  He
>> produces over 4,000 gallons per week.
>>
>> I guess there is no way to say this without being a snob, but - did you
>> ever
>> get the feeling that some people just don't possess something  making
>> them worthy of owning a Mercedes?   I am beginning to wonder if perhaps
>> they
>> would not have been happier with a dependable/beat up looking pick up?
>>
>> So far this year I have lost my shirt selling Mercedes vehicles.  Mostly
>> to
>> people I knew some on EBay and no one ever seems happy with their
>> purchases.
>> It seems the harder I work to help someone else the more it comes back to
>> bite me in the A!  I have a 300D manual right now a beautiful "Dark Brick
>> Red" color it has some challenges all minor.  I sold that one on EBay for
>> a
>> $2,000.00 loss, allowed the guy to store it here and agreed to just take
>> interest free payments until it was all paid for.  Six months later the
>> guy
>> is behind - tells me he never wanted the vehicle and know wants all his
>> money back
>>
>> Can't wait to get rid of the rest of the Mercedes I am gong to sell and
>> just
>> keep the ones I am going to, and be done with the headache/losses! I HATE
>> the car business!
>>
>>
>> Dave H...
>>
>> --
>> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin, work" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:40 AM
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987  300SDL
>>
>>> That is why I do not like to sell cars to people I know, unless they 
>>> know
>>> how to work on their own Mercedes. I have friends or acquaintances 
>>> always
>>> wanting to know if I have a Mercedes I can sell them.  I always say no
>>> because when something goes wr

Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL

[Luther - laptop]

You should really fix this damn pre-chamber problem on my SDL that YOU  
sold me.  Butthead.

Luther

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:40:44 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin, work  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That is why I do not like to sell cars to people I know, unless they know
> how to work on their own Mercedes. I have friends or acquaintances always
> wanting to know if I have a Mercedes I can sell them.  I always say no
> because when something goes wrong they will be wanting me to fix it.
>
> ---
> Kaleb C. Striplin
> Cox Auto Trader
> 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor
>

-- 
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'87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case
'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi)
'82 300CD (170 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL

[LarryT]

I know many people have had bad experiences financing cars - especially for 
family members.  One time was an exception - was selling my 25' wooden 
sailboat - 1st guy came by with his wife, wanted it but could only pay 1/2 
then ($1500) and wanted a month to pay the rest - another $1500.  Within 2 
weeks he;d paid me off.  But he was a stranger - perhaps a relative would 
have been different?


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- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Fmiser'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 

Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL


> Helping a friend and being taken advantage of are two different things.
>
> I'll be more than happy to help someone find a car or to look at a car
> that someone is considering.
>
> I've had family members ask me to finance cars and I've always said
> "no". The last one was my youngest Brother who wanted to buy a car from
> me and make payments. I TOLD him to borrow the money from a bank and he
> told me that he could not because he would not be able to pay back the
> loan. Then I asked how he expected to pay me back?
>
> Thanks, Tom
> 256-656-1924
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: "Fmiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: 12/28/07 12:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987  300SDL
>
>> > A car deal gone south can hurt a friendship in a hurry.
>> >
>> > Tom
>> > www.kegkits.com
>
>> That is why I do not like to sell cars to people I know,
>> unless they know how to work on their own Mercedes. I have
>> friends or acquaintances always wanting to know if I have a
>> Mercedes I can sell them.  I always say no because when
>> something goes wrong they will be wanting me to fix it.
>>
>> ---
>> Kaleb C. Striplin
>
> Sad, isn't it. It's not worth the risk to help a friend. Doesn't
> bode well for the country's future, does it?
>
> --   Philip
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL

[E M]

Do you have any pics of the car?

Ed
300E

On 28/12/2007, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> i'm moving to DC in june.  if you still have it, i'm interested.  but
> right
> now, can't afford a car and transit to columbus, then ANOTHER moving
> expense
> to dc.
>
> On Dec 28, 2007 7:07 PM, Dave H... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Tom,
> >
> > Oh YES most definitely, I retained a fully operational master key with
> an
> > added clause that if the lock/key should need to be changed that I must
> be
> > provided with a full functional copy to enable repossession of the
> vehicle
> > if that should be necessary.
> >
> > I'm learning:)
> >
> >
> > Dave H...
> >
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL

[Sunil Hari]

i'm moving to DC in june.  if you still have it, i'm interested.  but right
now, can't afford a car and transit to columbus, then ANOTHER moving expense
to dc.

On Dec 28, 2007 7:07 PM, Dave H... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Tom,
>
> Oh YES most definitely, I retained a fully operational master key with an
> added clause that if the lock/key should need to be changed that I must be
> provided with a full functional copy to enable repossession of the vehicle
> if that should be necessary.
>
> I'm learning:)
>
>
> Dave H...
>
> --
> From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 6:43 PM
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987  300SDL
>
> > Did you keep a copy of the keys?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tom Hargrave
> > www.kegkits.com
> > 256-656-1924
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Dave H...
> > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:45 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL
> >
> > Larry,
> >
> > I am learning - SLOW but learning.   :)
> >
> > Two nights ago sold a 68 280SE to a local person.  This time a full
> > contract
> >
> > was signed and witnessed.
> >
> > Loan at 12% interest, three calendar days late a $50.00 penalty, non
> > payment
> >
> > for thirty days automatic repossession. I have a lien on the title and
> he
> > must provide proof of insurance with me as the lien holder being the
> > primary
> >
> > beneficiary.
> >
> > This guy is a local Ph.D. level college professor but I am not taking
> any
> > more chances.
> >
> > Learning but SLOW:)
> >
> >
> > Dave H...
> >
> >
> > --
> > From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:39 AM
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987  300SDL
> >
> >> Yep, IMO used car salesmen get a bad rep from everyone - no matter what
> >> they
> >> do they get blamed - no matter how hard they try to make the customer
> >> happy
> >> they still get blamed.
> >>
> >> Dude!  You gotta stop making interest free loans - that costs you money
> -
> >> and you need paper saying if they want out or don;t make payments the
> >> ownership stays with *you* as being the sole owner.  The registration
> can
> >> stay in your name as long as they have insurance, pay the
> >> title/registration
> >> fees and make all payments as agreeed.  Then, if they stop sending you
> >> money
> >> or making payments, it will be easy to get the vehicle back -
> relatively
> >> speaking of course.
> >>
> >> There are ways but at some point the friendship will become strained -
> >> which
> >> is better than destroying it they way they have been treating you.
> >>
> >> They want a business warranty while having a friends loan.  You in deep
> >> do-doo.  ;-)
> >>
> >> In he future, if someone wants to buy a car you own, put it in an
> >> impartial
> >> parties hands and let them sell it to them.  I bet your friends walks
> >> away.
> >>
> >> Take care -
> >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
> >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
> >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
> >> PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
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> >> .
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Dave H..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> >> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:57 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL
> >>
> >>
> >>> Kaleb,
> >>>
> >>> This guy has three times the mechanical ability I have.  We both
> produce
> >>> biodiesel but my processing is like kindergarten compared to his.  He
> >>> produces over 4,000 gallons per week.
> >>>
> >>> I guess there is no way to say this without being a snob, but - did
> you
> >>> ever
> >>> get the feeling that some people just don't possess something 
> >>> making
> >>> th

Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL

[Dave H...]

Tom,

Oh YES most definitely, I retained a fully operational master key with an 
added clause that if the lock/key should need to be changed that I must be 
provided with a full functional copy to enable repossession of the vehicle 
if that should be necessary.

I'm learning:)


Dave H...

--
From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 6:43 PM
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987  300SDL

> Did you keep a copy of the keys?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> 256-656-1924
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Dave H...
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:45 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL
>
> Larry,
>
> I am learning - SLOW but learning.   :)
>
> Two nights ago sold a 68 280SE to a local person.  This time a full 
> contract
>
> was signed and witnessed.
>
> Loan at 12% interest, three calendar days late a $50.00 penalty, non 
> payment
>
> for thirty days automatic repossession. I have a lien on the title and he
> must provide proof of insurance with me as the lien holder being the 
> primary
>
> beneficiary.
>
> This guy is a local Ph.D. level college professor but I am not taking any
> more chances.
>
> Learning but SLOW:)
>
>
> Dave H...
>
>
> --------------
> From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:39 AM
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987  300SDL
>
>> Yep, IMO used car salesmen get a bad rep from everyone - no matter what
>> they
>> do they get blamed - no matter how hard they try to make the customer
>> happy
>> they still get blamed.
>>
>> Dude!  You gotta stop making interest free loans - that costs you money -
>> and you need paper saying if they want out or don;t make payments the
>> ownership stays with *you* as being the sole owner.  The registration can
>> stay in your name as long as they have insurance, pay the
>> title/registration
>> fees and make all payments as agreeed.  Then, if they stop sending you
>> money
>> or making payments, it will be easy to get the vehicle back - relatively
>> speaking of course.
>>
>> There are ways but at some point the friendship will become strained -
>> which
>> is better than destroying it they way they have been treating you.
>>
>> They want a business warranty while having a friends loan.  You in deep
>> do-doo.  ;-)
>>
>> In he future, if someone wants to buy a car you own, put it in an
>> impartial
>> parties hands and let them sell it to them.  I bet your friends walks
>> away.
>>
>> Take care -
>> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
>> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
>> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
>> PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
>> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
>> .
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Dave H..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL
>>
>>
>>> Kaleb,
>>>
>>> This guy has three times the mechanical ability I have.  We both produce
>>> biodiesel but my processing is like kindergarten compared to his.  He
>>> produces over 4,000 gallons per week.
>>>
>>> I guess there is no way to say this without being a snob, but - did you
>>> ever
>>> get the feeling that some people just don't possess something  
>>> making
>>> them worthy of owning a Mercedes?   I am beginning to wonder if perhaps
>>> they
>>> would not have been happier with a dependable/beat up looking pick up?
>>>
>>> So far this year I have lost my shirt selling Mercedes vehicles.  Mostly
>>> to
>>> people I knew some on EBay and no one ever seems happy with their
>>> purchases.
>>> It seems the harder I work to help someone else the more it comes back 
>>> to
>>> bite me in the A!  I have a 300D manual right now a beautiful "Dark 
>>> Brick
>>> Red" color it has some challenges all minor.  I sold that one on EBay 
>>> for
>>> a
>>> $2,000.00 loss, allowed the guy to store it here and agreed to just take
>>> interest free payments until it was all paid for.  Six m

Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL

[Tom Hargrave]

Yep, good sign.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:44 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL

Hi Tom,
You've probably seen the shop sign that says (something like this)

Standard Labor Rate - $25/hr
Labor rate if you watch - $50/hr
Labor rate if you help - $100/hr

There's more but I'll have to find my Joke file first -- 
;-)

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL


> This is why I quit working on cars for friends but I'm still willing to 
> help
> list members with their Mercedes providing they are stopping by to learn
> something.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> 256-656-1924
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:59 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL
>
> Thats just it, they wont want to pay for my time, or the cost of the 
> parts.
> Just dont want to get involved in it if I can help it.
>
> ---
> Kaleb C. Striplin
> Cox Auto Trader
> 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL
>
>
>> No problem as long as they are willing to pay you for your time, right?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom Hargrave
>> www.kegkits.com
>> 256-656-1924
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL

[Tom Hargrave]

Did you keep a copy of the keys?

Thanks,
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www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
 

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On Behalf Of Dave H...
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:45 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL

Larry,

I am learning - SLOW but learning.   :)

Two nights ago sold a 68 280SE to a local person.  This time a full contract

was signed and witnessed.

Loan at 12% interest, three calendar days late a $50.00 penalty, non payment

for thirty days automatic repossession. I have a lien on the title and he 
must provide proof of insurance with me as the lien holder being the primary

beneficiary.

This guy is a local Ph.D. level college professor but I am not taking any 
more chances.

Learning but SLOW:)


Dave H...


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From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:39 AM
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987  300SDL

> Yep, IMO used car salesmen get a bad rep from everyone - no matter what 
> they
> do they get blamed - no matter how hard they try to make the customer 
> happy
> they still get blamed.
>
> Dude!  You gotta stop making interest free loans - that costs you money -
> and you need paper saying if they want out or don;t make payments the
> ownership stays with *you* as being the sole owner.  The registration can
> stay in your name as long as they have insurance, pay the 
> title/registration
> fees and make all payments as agreeed.  Then, if they stop sending you 
> money
> or making payments, it will be easy to get the vehicle back - relatively
> speaking of course.
>
> There are ways but at some point the friendship will become strained - 
> which
> is better than destroying it they way they have been treating you.
>
> They want a business warranty while having a friends loan.  You in deep
> do-doo.  ;-)
>
> In he future, if someone wants to buy a car you own, put it in an 
> impartial
> parties hands and let them sell it to them.  I bet your friends walks 
> away.
>
> Take care -
> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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> .
>
> - Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave H..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL
>
>
>> Kaleb,
>>
>> This guy has three times the mechanical ability I have.  We both produce
>> biodiesel but my processing is like kindergarten compared to his.  He
>> produces over 4,000 gallons per week.
>>
>> I guess there is no way to say this without being a snob, but - did you
>> ever
>> get the feeling that some people just don't possess something  making
>> them worthy of owning a Mercedes?   I am beginning to wonder if perhaps
>> they
>> would not have been happier with a dependable/beat up looking pick up?
>>
>> So far this year I have lost my shirt selling Mercedes vehicles.  Mostly
>> to
>> people I knew some on EBay and no one ever seems happy with their
>> purchases.
>> It seems the harder I work to help someone else the more it comes back to
>> bite me in the A!  I have a 300D manual right now a beautiful "Dark Brick
>> Red" color it has some challenges all minor.  I sold that one on EBay for
>> a
>> $2,000.00 loss, allowed the guy to store it here and agreed to just take
>> interest free payments until it was all paid for.  Six months later the
>> guy
>> is behind - tells me he never wanted the vehicle and know wants all his
>> money back
>>
>> Can't wait to get rid of the rest of the Mercedes I am gong to sell and
>> just
>> keep the ones I am going to, and be done with the headache/losses! I HATE
>> the car business!
>>
>>
>> Dave H...
>>
>> --
>> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin, work" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:40 AM
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987  300SDL
>>
>>> That is why I do not like to sell cars to people I know, unless they 
>>> know
>>> how to work on their own Mercedes. I have friends or acquaintances 
>>> always
>>> wanting to know if I have a Mercedes I can sell them.  I always say no
>>> because when something goes wrong they will be wanting me to fix it.
>>>

Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL

[Tom Hargrave]

Very smart man.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:50 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL

If I were to ever "finance" a vehicle for somebody, they would be paying a 
little extra AND the car would not leave until they had it paid off.  Even 
then you can be on shakey ground.

---
Kaleb C. Striplin
Cox Auto Trader
730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor

- Original Message - 
From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL


> Yep, IMO used car salesmen get a bad rep from everyone - no matter what 
> they
> do they get blamed - no matter how hard they try to make the customer 
> happy
> they still get blamed.
>
> Dude!  You gotta stop making interest free loans - that costs you money -
> and you need paper saying if they want out or don;t make payments the
> ownership stays with *you* as being the sole owner.  The registration can
> stay in your name as long as they have insurance, pay the 
> title/registration
> fees and make all payments as agreeed.  Then, if they stop sending you 
> money
> or making payments, it will be easy to get the vehicle back - relatively
> speaking of course.
>
> There are ways but at some point the friendship will become strained - 
> which
> is better than destroying it they way they have been treating you.
>
> They want a business warranty while having a friends loan.  You in deep
> do-doo.  ;-)
>
> In he future, if someone wants to buy a car you own, put it in an 
> impartial
> parties hands and let them sell it to them.  I bet your friends walks 
> away.
>
> Take care -
> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
> PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
> .
>
> - Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave H..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL
>
>
>> Kaleb,
>>
>> This guy has three times the mechanical ability I have.  We both produce
>> biodiesel but my processing is like kindergarten compared to his.  He
>> produces over 4,000 gallons per week.
>>
>> I guess there is no way to say this without being a snob, but - did you
>> ever
>> get the feeling that some people just don't possess something  making
>> them worthy of owning a Mercedes?   I am beginning to wonder if perhaps
>> they
>> would not have been happier with a dependable/beat up looking pick up?
>>
>> So far this year I have lost my shirt selling Mercedes vehicles.  Mostly
>> to
>> people I knew some on EBay and no one ever seems happy with their
>> purchases.
>> It seems the harder I work to help someone else the more it comes back to
>> bite me in the A!  I have a 300D manual right now a beautiful "Dark Brick
>> Red" color it has some challenges all minor.  I sold that one on EBay for
>> a
>> $2,000.00 loss, allowed the guy to store it here and agreed to just take
>> interest free payments until it was all paid for.  Six months later the
>> guy
>> is behind - tells me he never wanted the vehicle and know wants all his
>> money back
>>
>> Can't wait to get rid of the rest of the Mercedes I am gong to sell and
>> just
>> keep the ones I am going to, and be done with the headache/losses! I HATE
>> the car business!
>>
>>
>> Dave H...
>>
>> --
>> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin, work" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:40 AM
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987  300SDL
>>
>>> That is why I do not like to sell cars to people I know, unless they 
>>> know
>>> how to work on their own Mercedes. I have friends or acquaintances 
>>> always
>>> wanting to know if I have a Mercedes I can sell them.  I always say no
>>> because when something goes wrong they will be wanting me to fix it.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Kaleb C. Striplin
>>> Cox Auto Trader
>>> 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, Dece

Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL

[Tom Hargrave]

Helping a friend and being taken advantage of are two different things.

I'll be more than happy to help someone find a car or to look at a car
that someone is considering.

I've had family members ask me to finance cars and I've always said
"no". The last one was my youngest Brother who wanted to buy a car from
me and make payments. I TOLD him to borrow the money from a bank and he
told me that he could not because he would not be able to pay back the
loan. Then I asked how he expected to pay me back?

Thanks, Tom
256-656-1924

-Original Message-
From: "Fmiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: 12/28/07 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987  300SDL

> > A car deal gone south can hurt a friendship in a hurry.
> >
> > Tom
> > www.kegkits.com

> That is why I do not like to sell cars to people I know,
> unless they know how to work on their own Mercedes. I have
> friends or acquaintances always wanting to know if I have a
> Mercedes I can sell them.  I always say no because when
> something goes wrong they will be wanting me to fix it.
> 
> ---
> Kaleb C. Striplin

Sad, isn't it. It's not worth the risk to help a friend. Doesn't
bode well for the country's future, does it?

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL

[Dave H...]

Alex,

As I understand the history of this vehicle it was born and raised in 
Germany.  It does have both the European front and rear bumpers, but the 
American headlights.

It has the cloth interior and is a standard.

It came to America with its original purchaser in 1998/99  and I bought it 
in 03/04.


Dave H...

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From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:27 PM
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL

> So is it a gray market car, or a conversion somebody did?  123s didn't 
> come
> with sticks except for the 240D, right guys?
>
> If it's gray-market, does it have manual climate controls?
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2007 2:08 PM, Dave H... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Alex,
>>
>> This is a 1984 but not totally mine yet.
>>
>> I have given this kid until 1 January to make up his mind what it is he
>> wants to do.
>>
>>
>> Dave H...
>>
>> --
>> From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 12:42 PM
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL
>>
>> > On Dec 28, 2007 6:57 AM, Dave H... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have a 300D manual right now a beautiful "Dark Brick
>> >> Red" color it has some challenges all minor.  I sold that one on EBay
>> for
>> >> a
>> >> $2,000.00 loss, allowed the guy to store it here and agreed to just
>> take
>> >> interest free payments until it was all paid for.  Six months later 
>> >> the
>> >> guy
>> >> is behind - tells me he never wanted the vehicle and know wants all 
>> >> his
>> >> money back
>> >
>> >
>> > Ooh, dark red diesel with a stick.  115 or 123 300D?  How much you want
>> > for
>> > it?  Where are you?
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL

[Mitch Haley]

"Dave H..." wrote:
> 
> Alex,
> 
> This is a 1984 but not totally mine yet.
> 
> I have given this kid until 1 January to make up his mind what it is he
> wants to do.

He already made up his mind. He wants his money back. 
I assume that isn't an option for him?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL

[Alex Chamberlain]

So is it a gray market car, or a conversion somebody did?  123s didn't come
with sticks except for the 240D, right guys?

If it's gray-market, does it have manual climate controls?


On Dec 28, 2007 2:08 PM, Dave H... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Alex,
>
> This is a 1984 but not totally mine yet.
>
> I have given this kid until 1 January to make up his mind what it is he
> wants to do.
>
>
> Dave H...
>
> --
> From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 12:42 PM
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL
>
> > On Dec 28, 2007 6:57 AM, Dave H... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> I have a 300D manual right now a beautiful "Dark Brick
> >> Red" color it has some challenges all minor.  I sold that one on EBay
> for
> >> a
> >> $2,000.00 loss, allowed the guy to store it here and agreed to just
> take
> >> interest free payments until it was all paid for.  Six months later the
> >> guy
> >> is behind - tells me he never wanted the vehicle and know wants all his
> >> money back
> >
> >
> > Ooh, dark red diesel with a stick.  115 or 123 300D?  How much you want
> > for
> > it?  Where are you?
>
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