Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Here's what Wiki say about AGM's FWIW:

"AGM & Gel VRLA batteries:
Have shorter recharge time than flooded lead-acid.
Cannot tolerate overcharging: overcharging leads to premature failure.
Have shorter useful life, compared to properly maintained wet-cell battery.
Discharge significantly less hydrogen gas.
AGM batteries are by nature, safer for the environment, and safer to use.
Can be used or positioned in any orientation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VRLA_battery#Applications

Gerry
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"Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> That’s backward from what I have always heard. I thought they were more 
> durable. 
 
> > I use an AGM in my Prius, but I would never use one in my diesel cars since 
> > the AGMs are more easily damaged. For example, if you leave something on 
> > and run the AGM down, you can't charge at more than 4 amps without 
> > shortening its life.
> > Also, I vaguely recall someone on the Prius website complaining that the 
> > AGM in his Prius only lasted 3 years. YMMV. Hopefully someone on he group 
> > has had experience with AGMs in diesels.
> > Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

As one data point, my tractor has a 2006 CarQuest AGM battery that still starts 
the (4-cylinder Diesel) engine despite long dormant periods and being heavily 
discharged (and recharged) several times.  I have heard that some newer 
batteries are inferior, but that's hearsay.


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Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Rdeafboy wrote:

> Anybody use AGM type battery??

AGM is functionally a drop-in replacement for flooded cell battery
in a car.  Charge voltage is close enough it seems to work out
just fine.

Are they better than flooded cell?  They cost more, so AGM must be
better - right?

> My Interstate whosesaler is out of the 49 now

What about a group 93? 

I built a chart of showing the DIN and EN numbers as well as the
BCI. I have failed to figure out why there are two DIN numbers...

NOTE 1: all of these batteries are 175 mm wide, so I did not
list that dimension.

NOTE 2: The batteries with a "b4" holddown may be a problem
for 123 cars.  I don't know the clamping range of the
factory clips.

NOTE 3: This chart is in the same order as the last listing -
descending volume as calculated from the maximum
exterior dimensions.  With all else equal, greater
volume should equal greater capacity - unless the
calculated volume does not compare to the internal
volume.  

| BCI |DIN| EN   | length | height | Holddown |
|-+-+-+--+++--|
|  49 | H8  | L5  | 88L5 |354 |190 | b3   |
|  93 | T8  | LB5 | 88LB |354 |175 | b3   |
| 94R | H7  | L4  | 77L4 |315 |190 | b3   |
|  92 | T7  | LB4 | 77LB |315 |175 | b3   |
| 98R | H6  | 3   | 66L3 |283 |190 | b4   |
|  48 | H6  | L3  | 66L3 |278 |190 | b3   |
|  41 | T65 | | 54LB |293 |175 | b4   |
| 40R | T6  | LB3 | 66LB |278 |175 | b1   |
|  91 | T6  | LB3 | 66LB |278 |175 | b3   |
| 97R | H5  | L6  |  |252 |190 | b4   |
|  47 | H5  | L2  | 55L2 |242 |190 | b3   |
| 96R | | |  |242 |175 | b5   |
|  90 | T5  | LB2 | 45LB |242 |175 | b3   |
|  42 | T5  | LB2 | 45LB |242 |175 | b4   |
| 67R | | |  |132 |176 | b2   |
| 99R | T4  | LB1 | 36LB |210 |175 | b3   |


Holddowns
 b1 - 10.5 mm high, long side only
 b2 - ?? high, short side only
 b3 - 10.5 mm high on long and short sides
 b4 - 19.0 mm high, long side only
 b5 - ?? high, long side only

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Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That’s backward from what I have always heard. I thought they were more 
durable. 

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> On Jan 8, 2018, at 6:16 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Rdeafboy wrote:
>> I have a 1983 240d .  I can get a Bosch 49 for $173 at PoorBoys locally or 
>> AcDelco 49 AGM from Rock Auto del'd for $182 ...Anybody use AGM type battery 
>> ?? 
> 
> I use an AGM in my Prius, but I would never use one in my diesel cars since 
> the AGMs are more easily damaged. For example, if you leave something on and 
> run the AGM down, you can't charge at more than 4 amps without shortening its 
> life.
> Also, I vaguely recall someone on the Prius website complaining that the AGM 
> in his Prius only lasted 3 years. YMMV. Hopefully someone on he group has had 
> experience with AGMs in diesels.
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have one in the 98 e300 and in the 07 r320

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> On Jan 8, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Rdeafboy via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have a 1983 240d .  I can get a Bosch 49 for $173 at PoorBoys locally or 
> AcDelco 49 AGM from Rock Auto del'd for $182 ...Anybody use AGM type battery 
> ??  My Interstate whosesaler is out of the 49 now .  [Had one last for 9 
> years in the past]Suggestions as to good brands ??  I had good luck with 
> Bosch & Interstate
> 
>  
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Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

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Rdeafboy wrote:
> I have a 1983 240d .  I can get a Bosch 49 for $173 at PoorBoys locally or 
> AcDelco 49 AGM from Rock Auto del'd for $182 ...Anybody use AGM type battery 
> ?? 

I use an AGM in my Prius, but I would never use one in my diesel cars since the 
AGMs are more easily damaged. For example, if you leave something on and run 
the AGM down, you can't charge at more than 4 amps without shortening its life.
Also, I vaguely recall someone on the Prius website complaining that the AGM in 
his Prius only lasted 3 years. YMMV. Hopefully someone on he group has had 
experience with AGMs in diesels.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

El Mercado de Wal?

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> On Jan 8, 2018, at 2:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What about this one from Home Depot?  $119..
> 
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Exide-Extreme-L5-49-Auto-Battery-L5-49X/204852602
> 
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> It probably sounds stupid, but I've had very good luck with used batteries
>> I've gotten from my Interstate wholesale house. $49.95 + $15 core. I'd pick
>> one up and use that until they get more new group 49 batteries in stock.
>> Make sure your alternator, etc is up to snuff.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

That's what I've been using for about a year now.  No complaints, but not a 
whole lot of service time.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On January 8, 2018 2:58:35 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>What about this one from Home Depot?  $119..
>
>https://www.homedepot.com/p/Exide-Extreme-L5-49-Auto-Battery-L5-49X/204852602
>
>On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> It probably sounds stupid, but I've had very good luck with used
>batteries
>> I've gotten from my Interstate wholesale house. $49.95 + $15 core.
>I'd pick
>> one up and use that until they get more new group 49 batteries in
>stock.
>> Make sure your alternator, etc is up to snuff.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Bob wrote:
> ...Anybody use AGM type battery ??

AGM RedTop Interstate being used here in cold for about 6-years, just
fine.  It may not be group49?
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What about this one from Home Depot?  $119..

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Exide-Extreme-L5-49-Auto-Battery-L5-49X/204852602

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It probably sounds stupid, but I've had very good luck with used batteries
> I've gotten from my Interstate wholesale house. $49.95 + $15 core. I'd pick
> one up and use that until they get more new group 49 batteries in stock.
> Make sure your alternator, etc is up to snuff.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

It probably sounds stupid, but I've had very good luck with used batteries I've 
gotten from my Interstate wholesale house. $49.95 + $15 core. I'd pick one up 
and use that until they get more new group 49 batteries in stock. Make sure 
your alternator, etc is up to snuff.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 49 Battery

[Rdeafboy via Mercedes]

I have a 1983 240d .  I can get a Bosch 49 for $173 at PoorBoys locally or 
AcDelco 49 AGM from Rock Auto del'd for $182 ...Anybody use AGM type battery ?? 
 My Interstate whosesaler is out of the 49 now .  [Had one last for 9 years in 
the past]Suggestions as to good brands ??  I had good luck with Bosch & 
Interstate

 
Bob
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