Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC
if that was a 124 body it'd be even better:D Luther On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 17:59:35 -0600, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry Geiger wrote: This 500 SEC is gray market with 5 speed manual. I bet it likes fuel. Drop a OM606 turbo in it. Could be the ultimate FrankenBenz. Can't you just imagine a 450hp superturbo 126 coupe mit 5sp? -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (271,xxx mi) head case? '83 300SD (242 kmi) for sale '82 300CD (163 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine '85 300D (280,176) parts car
Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC
Terry Geiger wrote: This 500 SEC is gray market with 5 speed manual. I bet it likes fuel. Drop a OM606 turbo in it. Could be the ultimate FrankenBenz. Can't you just imagine a 450hp superturbo 126 coupe mit 5sp?
[MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC
A friend is considering purchasing a 1984 500 SEC. The car runs and drives well. The a/c isn't working. I only have diesel experience so I can't offer advice about this car. The car has 170k miles on the clock. Are there any expensive repair issues on these cars? Any feedback would be appreciated. Thank you, Terry Geiger '74 Triumph TR6 | '63 Triumph Herald | '70 MGBGT | '84 Mercedes 300D Turbo Diesel http://www.shoalsbritishcars.org/
Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC
Does your friend own his/her own gas station? My only experience with gasser S-Class cars is an elderly lady here in my small town who drives a 560 -- she says (indirect quote) they are really expensive when they break. On 3/29/07, Terry Geiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend is considering purchasing a 1984 500 SEC. The car runs and drives well. The a/c isn't working. I only have diesel experience so I can't offer advice about this car. The car has 170k miles on the clock. Are there any expensive repair issues on these cars? Any feedback would be appreciated. Thank you, Terry Geiger '74 Triumph TR6 | '63 Triumph Herald | '70 MGBGT | '84 Mercedes 300D Turbo Diesel http://www.shoalsbritishcars.org/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- http://don.homelinux.net/~don/
Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC
if yuou got to take it to the shop everytime, then yes - Original Message - From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC Does your friend own his/her own gas station? My only experience with gasser S-Class cars is an elderly lady here in my small town who drives a 560 -- she says (indirect quote) they are really expensive when they break. On 3/29/07, Terry Geiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend is considering purchasing a 1984 500 SEC. The car runs and drives well. The a/c isn't working. I only have diesel experience so I can't offer advice about this car. The car has 170k miles on the clock. Are there any expensive repair issues on these cars? Any feedback would be appreciated. Thank you, Terry Geiger '74 Triumph TR6 | '63 Triumph Herald | '70 MGBGT | '84 Mercedes 300D Turbo Diesel http://www.shoalsbritishcars.org/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC
Nothing really special, I don't think. May have SLS in the rear, check for leaking struts, those cost the earth. Prone to rusted out rear control arms ($900 or so), can't tell till they bust and the shock bangs around. Front end is typical W126, no more or less problems than usual. Check the timing chain, it may be due for one. Not a problem like the 420 or 380, but you don't want to have to do a valve job any sooner than 250,000. Excessive oil consumption and blue smoke on startup is usually just bad valve stem seals, not expensive. AC could be just a blow seal on the compressor manifold, could be a dead compressor (read expensive there), you will have to investigate. May also be just a bad compressor seal or a dead KLIMA relay. Look for rust on the lower corners of the rear window, this is a know trouble spot. Not horribly expensive to repair, but must be done or the trunk fills with water, etc. Engine is bulletproof unless you seriously overheat it or never change the oil. Not a problem to work on as it will have the inserts for the head bolts already. May need valves/cams at around 250,000 miles if run on dino oil, probably nothing if run on Mobil 1. Peter
Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC
the 500SEL/SEC wont have SLS, that came in the 560, in the US anyway - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC Nothing really special, I don't think. May have SLS in the rear, check for leaking struts, those cost the earth. Prone to rusted out rear control arms ($900 or so), can't tell till they bust and the shock bangs around. Front end is typical W126, no more or less problems than usual. Check the timing chain, it may be due for one. Not a problem like the 420 or 380, but you don't want to have to do a valve job any sooner than 250,000. Excessive oil consumption and blue smoke on startup is usually just bad valve stem seals, not expensive. AC could be just a blow seal on the compressor manifold, could be a dead compressor (read expensive there), you will have to investigate. May also be just a bad compressor seal or a dead KLIMA relay. Look for rust on the lower corners of the rear window, this is a know trouble spot. Not horribly expensive to repair, but must be done or the trunk fills with water, etc. Engine is bulletproof unless you seriously overheat it or never change the oil. Not a problem to work on as it will have the inserts for the head bolts already. May need valves/cams at around 250,000 miles if run on dino oil, probably nothing if run on Mobil 1. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC
This 500 SEC is gray market with 5 speed manual. I bet it likes fuel. Terry Geiger '74 Triumph TR6 | '63 Triumph Herald | '70 MGBGT | '84 Mercedes 300D Turbo Diesel http://www.shoalsbritishcars.org/ - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin, Mobil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC the 500SEL/SEC wont have SLS, that came in the 560, in the US anyway
Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC
you are kidding. Actually, it should get fairly decent mileage, maybe 18-20?? Where is this car located? If this person passes, how much are they wanting for it? - Original Message - From: Terry Geiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC This 500 SEC is gray market with 5 speed manual. I bet it likes fuel. Terry Geiger '74 Triumph TR6 | '63 Triumph Herald | '70 MGBGT | '84 Mercedes 300D Turbo Diesel http://www.shoalsbritishcars.org/ - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin, Mobil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC the 500SEL/SEC wont have SLS, that came in the 560, in the US anyway ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC
wa - Original Message - From: Terry Geiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC This 500 SEC is gray market with 5 speed manual. I bet it likes fuel. Terry Geiger '74 Triumph TR6 | '63 Triumph Herald | '70 MGBGT | '84 Mercedes 300D Turbo Diesel http://www.shoalsbritishcars.org/ - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin, Mobil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC the 500SEL/SEC wont have SLS, that came in the 560, in the US anyway ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC
Arrrggg! Don Want Car! On 3/29/07, Terry Geiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This 500 SEC is gray market with 5 speed manual. -- http://don.homelinux.net/~don/
Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC
Terry Geiger wrote: This 500 SEC is gray market with 5 speed manual. I bet it likes fuel. Hi Terry, Mercedes, alas, never made such a car, though it is possible someone has taken it upon themselves to rectify MB's oversight with this one. More likely that someone stuck a 500SEC badge on a 280SLC. In fact, from the factory there were no manual SECs or 500s at all. What is the VIN of this car? A gray 500SEC should be WDB12604412xx. Tom
Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC
I think the last SLCs were built in '81 - replaced by the 380SEC in '82 - at least for the US market. The 500SEC was sold here in '84 and '85, then the 560SEC from '86 to '91. On 3/29/07, tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry Geiger wrote: This 500 SEC is gray market with 5 speed manual. I bet it likes fuel. Hi Terry, Mercedes, alas, never made such a car, though it is possible someone has taken it upon themselves to rectify MB's oversight with this one. More likely that someone stuck a 500SEC badge on a 280SLC. In fact, from the factory there were no manual SECs or 500s at all. What is the VIN of this car? A gray 500SEC should be WDB12604412xx. Tom -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC
This 500 SEC is gray market with 5 speed manual. I bet it likes fuel. I'm sure that it's taste in fuel is much refined in that it only likes premium. It should be quite quick with the 5 speed behind that big V8. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266K miles, Ursula
Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC
On 3/29/07, tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry Geiger wrote: This 500 SEC is gray market with 5 speed manual. I bet it likes fuel. Hi Terry, Mercedes, alas, never made such a car, though it is possible someone has taken it upon themselves to rectify MB's oversight with this one. More likely that someone stuck a 500SEC badge on a 280SLC. In fact, from the factory there were no manual SECs or 500s at all. Really? There sure were manual 126 sedans, I've seen one (though it was a twin-cam 280, I think). I'm surprised they wouldn't have made a stick 126 coupe for at least some non-US markets. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper
Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC
Personally I prefer the latter 560 and 420 engines after they changed the injection system. The biggest problem I have found with the 117 engines is the mechanics. The engines are great going well over 300k miles with no oil consumption. However a jack leg mechanic can very mess one up in a heart beat. My 420 had all kinds of valve train problems mainly because a mechanic stripped out the cam tower bolts, then heil-coiled them but left shavings in the holes. Thus when torqued the cam towers did not seat. The main problems with the engines is the fuel injection system. They do not like to sit for long periods. If they do they will gum up and not run right. Other than that you change oil and timing chains. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, Mobil Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 11:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC if yuou got to take it to the shop everytime, then yes - Original Message - From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC Does your friend own his/her own gas station? My only experience with gasser S-Class cars is an elderly lady here in my small town who drives a 560 -- she says (indirect quote) they are really expensive when they break. On 3/29/07, Terry Geiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend is considering purchasing a 1984 500 SEC. The car runs and drives well. The a/c isn't working. I only have diesel experience so I can't offer advice about this car. The car has 170k miles on the clock. Are there any expensive repair issues on these cars? Any feedback would be appreciated. Thank you, Terry Geiger '74 Triumph TR6 | '63 Triumph Herald | '70 MGBGT | '84 Mercedes 300D Turbo Diesel http://www.shoalsbritishcars.org/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Really? There sure were manual 126 sedans, I've seen one (though it was a twin-cam 280, I think). I'm surprised they wouldn't have made a stick 126 coupe for at least some non-US markets. Only the six-banger 126 was available with a stick and all the SECs had V8s. My understanding is that the inline engines were too tall for the lower hoodline of the SEC. Tom
Re: [MBZ] 500 SEL/SEC
I found that all of the rubber air control and intake manifold hoses (and there are a LOT of them) were hard to the point of not sealing on the '78 450 engine - replacing all of them ($$) made a major difference in how the engine runs (as it wouldn't even start before). I agree with Trampas that the 560 is the V-8 engine to have. More power and better mileage. On 3/30/07, Trampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I prefer the latter 560 and 420 engines after they changed the injection system. The biggest problem I have found with the 117 engines is the mechanics. The engines are great going well over 300k miles with no oil consumption. However a jack leg mechanic can very mess one up in a heart beat. My 420 had all kinds of valve train problems mainly because a mechanic stripped out the cam tower bolts, then heil-coiled them but left shavings in the holes. Thus when torqued the cam towers did not seat. The main problems with the engines is the fuel injection system. They do not like to sit for long periods. If they do they will gum up and not run right. Other than that you change oil and timing chains. Trampas -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
