[MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement

2007-06-22 Thread Roger Conlon
I'll make sure and bring it to their attention when I finalize on the 
installer


Roger


We put a PPG windshield in our 1987 300SDL when we had it and it worked out
okay. Have the installer be careful of the two rivets on the top corners of
the roof that hold the molding down. I think they're aluminum and oxidize.
When they remove the molding the rivet that holds the molding clip on 
snaps.



James Zavesky



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[MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement

2007-06-21 Thread Roger Conlon
I have a cracked windshield in my 87 SDL, called the local auto glass place 
to get price on
replacement.
$505 for windshield from Mercedes
$377.20 for six pieces of molding
$100-$120 for install.

Do I need the Mercedes glass or should I go with a PPG glass, and is it 
necessary for new molding?
I have $100 deductible on my insurance but you can bet I'll pay for it in 
the long run if I go
all original Benz stuff.

Roger

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement

2007-06-21 Thread Allan Streib
Roger Conlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Do I need the Mercedes glass or should I go with a PPG glass, and is
 it necessary for new molding?

For what it's worth, I once had the windshield on a VW jetta replaced
by an aftermarket glass and gasket, and it started leaking about 9
months later.  Never could get it resealed even using silicone all
around it.

Allan
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1966 230

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement

2007-06-21 Thread BillR
Roger - Make sure you check your state regulations on glass replacement.  My
son had the front and rear glass replaced on my 300SD just before I bought
it from him [crack in the rear, 23 years of normal wear in the front].
Free, and SC regulations would not even allow the insurance company to note
it in his policy.  Many / most? places require insurance to cover such
things.
BillR 

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Subject: [MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement

I have a cracked windshield in my 87 SDL, called the local auto glass place 
to get price on
replacement.
$505 for windshield from Mercedes
$377.20 for six pieces of molding
$100-$120 for install.

Do I need the Mercedes glass or should I go with a PPG glass, and is it 
necessary for new molding?
I have $100 deductible on my insurance but you can bet I'll pay for it in 
the long run if I go
all original Benz stuff.

Roger

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement

2007-06-21 Thread James Zavesky
We put a PPG windshield in our 1987 300SDL when we had it and it worked out
okay. Have the installer be careful of the two rivets on the top corners of
the roof that hold the molding down. I think they're aluminum and oxidize.
When they remove the molding the rivet that holds the molding clip on snaps.


James Zavesky


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 On Behalf Of Roger Conlon
 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:18 PM
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: [MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement
 
 I have a cracked windshield in my 87 SDL, called the local auto glass
 place
 to get price on
 replacement.
 $505 for windshield from Mercedes
 $377.20 for six pieces of molding
 $100-$120 for install.
 
 Do I need the Mercedes glass or should I go with a PPG glass, and is it
 necessary for new molding?
 I have $100 deductible on my insurance but you can bet I'll pay for it in
 the long run if I go
 all original Benz stuff.
 
 Roger
 
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement

2007-06-21 Thread Loren Faeth
They should cut the rubber to remove the old glass.  By doing this, 
all the metal trim can be reused.  What you SHOULD buy, that i did 
not see listed, is a new rubber gasket.

At 03:18 PM 6/21/2007, you wrote:
I have a cracked windshield in my 87 SDL, called the local auto glass place
to get price on
replacement.
$505 for windshield from Mercedes
$377.20 for six pieces of molding
$100-$120 for install.

Do I need the Mercedes glass or should I go with a PPG glass, and is it
necessary for new molding?
I have $100 deductible on my insurance but you can bet I'll pay for it in
the long run if I go
all original Benz stuff.

Roger

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement

2007-06-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
You shouldnt have to pay more than about $250 to have the windshield 
replaced, labor and all.  I wouldnt see why you would need any new 
moulding.  You do not have to buy the MB glass.

Roger Conlon wrote:
 I have a cracked windshield in my 87 SDL, called the local auto glass place 
 to get price on
 replacement.
 $505 for windshield from Mercedes
 $377.20 for six pieces of molding
 $100-$120 for install.
 
 Do I need the Mercedes glass or should I go with a PPG glass, and is it 
 necessary for new molding?
 I have $100 deductible on my insurance but you can bet I'll pay for it in 
 the long run if I go
 all original Benz stuff.
 
 Roger
 
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement

2007-06-21 Thread Kevin Kraly
My '83 300SD has a leak at the upper right corner of the windshield.  I 
anticipate needing a new gasket there as well as the rear glass since water 
also leaks into the trunk.  Does anything need to be done with the 
aerodynamic trim on each side of the windshield?  I want to have this 
removed and painted since it's full of rock chips.

Kevin in Portland, OR
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement

2007-06-21 Thread LWB250
The drip rail trim is swaged (pressed) on to a
weldment that comes out of the body.  You can take it
off, but I guarantee you, you'll never get it back on
the way it went, or to even stay on permanently.  On
top of that, if you don't have the driver tool to
drive it back on, or can't fabricate one, forget it. 
Not to mention that even with the tool it's a tricky
job and seriously endangers the car finish if you're
not careful.

DO NOT buy anything buy OEM (MB) window seals. 
Without going into a lengthy dissertation, non-OEM
seals are often poorly made, however, it's an
attribute that won't manifest itself for several
years.  Consider the cost amortized over the life of
the car and it's easy to take.

Dan



--- Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My '83 300SD has a leak at the upper right corner of
 the windshield.  I 
 anticipate needing a new gasket there as well as the
 rear glass since water 
 also leaks into the trunk.  Does anything need to be
 done with the 
 aerodynamic trim on each side of the windshield?  I
 want to have this 
 removed and painted since it's full of rock chips.
 
 Kevin in Portland, OR
 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement

2007-06-21 Thread LWB250
I might add, this comes from many years of experience
with both 123 and 126 body MBs, having pretty much
field-stripped them for paint prep.

Check out some of my former MBs at www.penoff.com

Dan


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 The drip rail trim is swaged (pressed) on to a
 weldment that comes out of the body.  You can take
 it
 off, but I guarantee you, you'll never get it back
 on
 the way it went, or to even stay on permanently.  On
 top of that, if you don't have the driver tool to
 drive it back on, or can't fabricate one, forget it.
 
 Not to mention that even with the tool it's a tricky
 job and seriously endangers the car finish if you're
 not careful.
 
 DO NOT buy anything buy OEM (MB) window seals. 
 Without going into a lengthy dissertation, non-OEM
 seals are often poorly made, however, it's an
 attribute that won't manifest itself for several
 years.  Consider the cost amortized over the life of
 the car and it's easy to take.
 
 Dan
 
 
 
 --- Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  My '83 300SD has a leak at the upper right corner
 of
  the windshield.  I 
  anticipate needing a new gasket there as well as
 the
  rear glass since water 
  also leaks into the trunk.  Does anything need to
 be
  done with the 
  aerodynamic trim on each side of the windshield? 
 I
  want to have this 
  removed and painted since it's full of rock chips.
  
  Kevin in Portland, OR
  1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 
  
  
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement

2007-06-21 Thread Mitch Haley


LWB250 wrote:
 
 Check out some of my former MBs at www.penoff.com

Who was the guy who called himself The Mercedes Martha Stewart?

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement

2007-06-21 Thread Mitch Haley


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 
 That was poos

Thought so. Just didn't recognize the LWB250 email addy.

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement

2007-06-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
That was poos

Mitch Haley wrote:
 
 LWB250 wrote:
 Check out some of my former MBs at www.penoff.com
 
 Who was the guy who called himself The Mercedes Martha Stewart?
 
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement

2007-06-21 Thread Marshall Booth
Roger Conlon wrote:
 I have a cracked windshield in my 87 SDL, called the local auto glass place 
 to get price on
 replacement.
 $505 for windshield from Mercedes
 $377.20 for six pieces of molding
 $100-$120 for install.
 
 Do I need the Mercedes glass or should I go with a PPG glass, and is it 
 necessary for new molding?
 I have $100 deductible on my insurance but you can bet I'll pay for it in 
 the long run if I go
 all original Benz stuff.


The PPG glass is just FINE. Much of what dealers have sold over th last 
10-15 years have been PPG with a star on it. I have PPG glass in one of 
my present cars and have used it on several others with NO problem.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement

2007-06-21 Thread OK Don
I got a new windshield in my 300SDL last summer at the local
Binswanger shop for a total of $200.00 - including tax. It has not
leaked in the torrential rains we've been getting - even at highway
speeds yesterday. They were able to replace the molding such that I
can't tell they touched it.
I think this windshield is glued in instead of using a gasket?

Glass - $98.52
4.8 labor - $72.00
2- Urethane kits - $20.00
tax - $9.48
total $200.00

On 6/21/07, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Roger Conlon wrote:
  I have a cracked windshield in my 87 SDL, called the local auto glass place
  to get price on
  replacement.
  $505 for windshield from Mercedes
  $377.20 for six pieces of molding
  $100-$120 for install.
 
  Do I need the Mercedes glass or should I go with a PPG glass, and is it
  necessary for new molding?
  I have $100 deductible on my insurance but you can bet I'll pay for it in
  the long run if I go
  all original Benz stuff.
 

 The PPG glass is just FINE. Much of what dealers have sold over th last
 10-15 years have been PPG with a star on it. I have PPG glass in one of
 my present cars and have used it on several others with NO problem.

 Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement

2007-06-21 Thread Peter Frederick
PPG is OEM for Mercedes -- they make some of it right down the road 
from me, the rest in Germany, I think.

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement

2007-06-21 Thread Peter Frederick
I think you are correct.  I know the rear window is a lace type gasket, 
but I believe the front one on the SDL is glued in.  I'll check next 
time I see my brother.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement

2007-06-21 Thread LWB250
That's me.  The Mercedes Martha Stewart as many know
me.  From the original Banned list, it's Poosy
Penoff, courtesy of Jabba the Hurst.

I've got a bunch more stuff to put up on the Web site,
like resoldering ACC controllers, recalibrating
compressor cutoff switches, stuff like that...

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement

2007-06-21 Thread LWB250
The 126 chassis windshield is glued in, there is no
rubber seal as in the W123 chassis.  You need to have
a really good installer or it will be boogered up.

Dan



--- Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Roger Conlon wrote:
  I have a cracked windshield in my 87 SDL, called
 the local auto glass place 
  to get price on
  replacement.
  $505 for windshield from Mercedes
  $377.20 for six pieces of molding
  $100-$120 for install.
  
  Do I need the Mercedes glass or should I go with a
 PPG glass, and is it 
  necessary for new molding?
  I have $100 deductible on my insurance but you can
 bet I'll pay for it in 
  the long run if I go
  all original Benz stuff.
 
 
 The PPG glass is just FINE. Much of what dealers
 have sold over th last 
 10-15 years have been PPG with a star on it. I have
 PPG glass in one of 
 my present cars and have used it on several others
 with NO problem.
 
 Marshall
 -- 
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 Ass't Prof. (ret.)
 Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement

2007-06-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
We need to link that into our articles, if I ever get around to setting 
that up

LWB250 wrote:
 That's me.  The Mercedes Martha Stewart as many know
 me.  From the original Banned list, it's Poosy
 Penoff, courtesy of Jabba the Hurst.
 
 I've got a bunch more stuff to put up on the Web site,
 like resoldering ACC controllers, recalibrating
 compressor cutoff switches, stuff like that...
 
 Dan
 
 
 
 --- Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

 LWB250 wrote:
 Check out some of my former MBs at www.penoff.com
 Who was the guy who called himself The Mercedes
 Martha Stewart?

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement

2007-06-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Also, the 126 has metal strips imbedded in it that you hook power up to 
and they heat up to loosed the glue.

LWB250 wrote:
 The 126 chassis windshield is glued in, there is no
 rubber seal as in the W123 chassis.  You need to have
 a really good installer or it will be boogered up.
 
 Dan

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement

2007-06-21 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:45:38 -0700 (PDT), LWB250 wrote:

 Check out some of my former MBs at www.penoff.com
 
 Dan

_That_ Dan!!

The address didn't mean anything to me, but there seemed to be a
lot of good advice.

But now, well, you have a reputation.

All good, of course! *grin*

Glad to see your with us again!

--   Philip

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