Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Dave M.]

Yes. The last revision of the OM603 head, casting #22, has a modified
oil passage. The previous castings were mostly open to the head
gasket, and sometimes the gasket would blow out into the timing chain
cavity and #1 cylinder. The new casting moves the passage internal to
the head with a hole at either end. In retrospect, I don't understand
why it wasn't designed like that in the first place. A photo of the
heads side by side, showing the oil passage difference, is here:



:)

-Dave M.

On 12/26/05, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I used a dial indicator with a magnetic base to measure how far the
> top of the pistons protruded from the block. Bent rods don't come up
> as far. Also measure the roundness of the cylinders at top, middle,
> and bottom.
>
> Didn't Mercedes change the oil passage in front of the #1 cylinder on
> the 603.97x heads in the latest versions?
>
> Thanks
>
> -Dave Walton

Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Dave M.]

I forgot something in my previous post. The engine used from 1992-95
in the W140 is the 603.971. The differences are relatively minor, but
the power ratings and redline are not the same. I have NO idea why
that is. The mehcanical internals are, AFAIK, identical.

+dm

> --
> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 08:59:19 -0700
> From: "Dave M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)
>
> The rodbenders are the 3.5L engines - 603.970 used from 1990-1991 in
> the 350SD & 350SDL (W126), and from 1992-1995 in the 300SD and S350.
> Yes, Mercedes stupidly badged the car 300SD even though it has a 350
> engine. Thankfully they stopped that practice between 1994 and 2002,
> but have since returned to badge numbers that do NOT match engine
> displacement. I detest that practice... rgh...
>
> :-(
>
> -dave m.

Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Zeitgeist]

You could both visually inspect the cyls for signs of unusual wear
patterns, and measure piston protrusion to ensure the stroke length is
the same for each.

On 12/25/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Is there any way of telling if the rods are bent with the head off?

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Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Have you seen a 3.5 with head problems?  I posted yesterday about one I 
looked at that was supposedly diagnosed with a bad head gasket.  Gets 
hot, builds up lots of pressure, has lots of oil leaking into the 
coolant.  In fact, there was alot of oil in the area around the coolant 
tank I guess where it has spilled over.  Car has 330K miles and 
supposedly only uses a qt every 3k miles.  Ran pretty darn good.  If I 
am able to get it cheap I will fix it.  Is there any way of telling if 
the rods are bent with the head off?


Marshall Booth wrote:



dave walton wrote:

There is s much to go wrong with this model you


could spend a couple grand on little PITA repairs. Not to mention the
rodbender engine, problematic head, and self-destructing head gasket.



THERE IS NO HEAD PROBLEM with OM603.97 engines (the heads were GREAT),
but 140s had wiring harness and evaporator problems that could each cost
$3-4k to fix!

Marshall 


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Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Marshall Booth]

ALL OM603.97 engines have problems. They were the ONLY engines in
Mercedes S class diesels imported to th US in the '90s ('90-'95). It
doesn't matter whether the desgination was 300 or 350, ALL US delivered
"S" class diesls had 3.5 liter OM603.97 engines in the '90s. All te
original engines had the same problem with connecting rods. The rebuilds
that Mecedes supplied did NOT have the problem.

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Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Marshall Booth]

dave walton wrote:
> 
There is s much to go wrong with this model you
> could spend a couple grand on little PITA repairs. Not to mention the
> rodbender engine, problematic head, and self-destructing head gasket.

THERE IS NO HEAD PROBLEM with OM603.97 engines (the heads were GREAT),
but 140s had wiring harness and evaporator problems that could each cost
$3-4k to fix!

Marshall 
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Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Dave M.]

The rodbenders are the 3.5L engines - 603.970 used from 1990-1991 in
the 350SD & 350SDL (W126), and from 1992-1995 in the 300SD and S350.
Yes, Mercedes stupidly badged the car 300SD even though it has a 350
engine. Thankfully they stopped that practice between 1994 and 2002,
but have since returned to badge numbers that do NOT match engine
displacement. I detest that practice... rgh...

:-(

-dave m.

> --
> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:48:29 -0500
> From: dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)
>
> Are the 300SD rodbenders 3.0 or 3.5 litre?
>
> Thanks
>
> -Dave Walton
> 94 S350, 99 E300

Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

In the early 90's everything was badged in hundreds for some reason. 
the early 90's 300E still had a 3.0 engine but in 93 it was still the 
300E but had the 3.2 engine.  The 300CE really had a 3.2. In the 140's, 
300SE was 3.2 engine, 300SD 3.5 engine, 400SE and 400SEL was 4.2, the 
500SEL was really a 5.0.  Then in 94 they changed the whole sytem so it 
was S320, S350, S420, S500 etc


Jim Cathey wrote:


I was a bit confused by that. My understanding is that the 300's (3.0
litre) are okay while the 350's (3.5 litre) are problematic. This car
is listed as a 300-Series, but is described as having the 3.5 liter
engine. I am still not clear on the issue.

Did the 93 300SD have a 3.5 litre engine that is not a rodbender?



To render it excruciatingly clear, for whatever reason the early
W140 300SD used a 3.5l motor, contrary to most of their badging
practices, and contrary to cars that used that very motor both before
and after.  OTOH, anybody _ever_ seen a 190E/D with a 1.9l motor?
The correlation between number and engine displacement is only
approximate, but the only out-and-out lies I can think of (leaving
out auxiliary badging such as 6.3, 6.9, etc.) are the early 350 SL,
that 300SD, and the W201 190.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

ok

LT Don wrote:


You must ban yourself.

On 12/24/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Well I try to not cuss on this list too much but this car is a piece of
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Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Desert Rat]

The newer C class models are contradictory as well. The C240 is really
a 2.6 and the C230 is really a 1.8.Think that applies to the SLK as
well.


On 12/24/05, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I was a bit confused by that. My understanding is that the 300's (3.0
> > litre) are okay while the 350's (3.5 litre) are problematic. This car
> > is listed as a 300-Series, but is described as having the 3.5 liter
> > engine. I am still not clear on the issue.
> >
> > Did the 93 300SD have a 3.5 litre engine that is not a rodbender?
>
> To render it excruciatingly clear, for whatever reason the early
> W140 300SD used a 3.5l motor, contrary to most of their badging
> practices, and contrary to cars that used that very motor both before
> and after.  OTOH, anybody _ever_ seen a 190E/D with a 1.9l motor?
> The correlation between number and engine displacement is only
> approximate, but the only out-and-out lies I can think of (leaving
> out auxiliary badging such as 6.3, 6.9, etc.) are the early 350 SL,
> that 300SD, and the W201 190.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Jim Cathey]

I was a bit confused by that. My understanding is that the 300's (3.0
litre) are okay while the 350's (3.5 litre) are problematic. This car
is listed as a 300-Series, but is described as having the 3.5 liter
engine. I am still not clear on the issue.

Did the 93 300SD have a 3.5 litre engine that is not a rodbender?


To render it excruciatingly clear, for whatever reason the early
W140 300SD used a 3.5l motor, contrary to most of their badging
practices, and contrary to cars that used that very motor both before
and after.  OTOH, anybody _ever_ seen a 190E/D with a 1.9l motor?
The correlation between number and engine displacement is only
approximate, but the only out-and-out lies I can think of (leaving
out auxiliary badging such as 6.3, 6.9, etc.) are the early 350 SL,
that 300SD, and the W201 190.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[LT Don]

You must ban yourself.

On 12/24/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well I try to not cuss on this list too much but this car is a piece of
> shit,




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Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Yes, it has the 3.5 liter, the heads are fine, the rods bend.  On the 
3.0, the rods are fine but the heads crack.  Speaking of cracked heads, 
I just got done looking at a 350SDL with a blown head gasket.  Never 
seen a 350 with a blown head before.


dave walton wrote:


I was a bit confused by that. My understanding is that the 300's (3.0
litre) are okay while the 350's (3.5 litre) are problematic. This car
is listed as a 300-Series, but is described as having the 3.5 liter
engine. I am still not clear on the issue.

Did the 93 300SD have a 3.5 litre engine that is not a rodbender?

Thanks

-Dave Walton
94 S350, 99 E300

On 12/24/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


There are no problems with the heads or gaskets on those engines.  The
140 300SD was 92-93, S350 94-95

dave walton wrote:



That car looks used, abused, and beat to shit. Those W140's are
expensive enough to maintain if you start with a good one. Ask me how
I know...
Plus, the seller has a history of "buyer beware" behavior documented
in his feedback. There is s much to go wrong with this model you
could spend a couple grand on little PITA repairs. Not to mention the
rodbender engine, problematic head, and self-destructing head gasket.

Anyway, I thought the S350's were only imported here in 94 and 95?
And why is the sunroof open with snow on the ground?

-Dave Walton

94 S350, 99 E300

4599601326

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eBay car, if anyone wants me to check it out, it is not to far from my work.

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Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Going by the sellers feedback, I have no doubt it was totalled due to 
the wreck.


Jim Cathey wrote:


Well I try to not cuss on this list too much but this car is a piece of
shit, it has had a salvage title:



This doesn't necessarily mean too much, given how sloppy States
can be with their paperwork at times.  This vehicle _is_ a bit
POS-ey, though, just from looking at it.  It could easily have
gotten a besmirched title just by the process it went through when
getting a new engine.

Anybody else think the Carfax reports are particularly difficult
to read?  Almost like ex-Microsoft Cobol heads designed it.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Desert Rat]

91 on up all S class used the rod bender 350 engine.

On 12/24/05, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are the 300SD rodbenders 3.0 or 3.5 litre?
>
> Thanks
>
> -Dave Walton
> 94 S350, 99 E300
>
> On 12/24/05, Desert Rat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > All MB S class diesels from 1991 (W126) and all W140's had the rod
> > bender engine even if the badge says 300SD. This applies to North
> > America only.
> >
> > On 12/24/05, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I was a bit confused by that. My understanding is that the 300's (3.0
> > > litre) are okay while the 350's (3.5 litre) are problematic. This car
> > > is listed as a 300-Series, but is described as having the 3.5 liter
> > > engine. I am still not clear on the issue.
> > >
> > > Did the 93 300SD have a 3.5 litre engine that is not a rodbender?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > -Dave Walton
> > > 94 S350, 99 E300
> > >
> > > On 12/24/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > There are no problems with the heads or gaskets on those engines.  The
> > > > 140 300SD was 92-93, S350 94-95
> > > >
> > > > dave walton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > That car looks used, abused, and beat to shit. Those W140's are
> > > > > expensive enough to maintain if you start with a good one. Ask me how
> > > > > I know...
> > > > > Plus, the seller has a history of "buyer beware" behavior documented
> > > > > in his feedback. There is s much to go wrong with this model you
> > > > > could spend a couple grand on little PITA repairs. Not to mention the
> > > > > rodbender engine, problematic head, and self-destructing head gasket.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, I thought the S350's were only imported here in 94 and 95?
> > > > > And why is the sunroof open with snow on the ground?
> > > > >
> > > > > -Dave Walton
> > > > >
> > > > > 94 S350, 99 E300
> > > > >
> > > > > 4599601326
> > > > >
> > > > > On 12/24/05, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>eBay car, if anyone wants me to check it out, it is not to far from 
> > > > >>my work.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Strong-running-300SD-diesel-inexpensive_W0QQitemZ4599601326QQcategoryZ6336QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> > > > >>
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Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[dave walton]

Are the 300SD rodbenders 3.0 or 3.5 litre?

Thanks

-Dave Walton
94 S350, 99 E300

On 12/24/05, Desert Rat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All MB S class diesels from 1991 (W126) and all W140's had the rod
> bender engine even if the badge says 300SD. This applies to North
> America only.
>
> On 12/24/05, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I was a bit confused by that. My understanding is that the 300's (3.0
> > litre) are okay while the 350's (3.5 litre) are problematic. This car
> > is listed as a 300-Series, but is described as having the 3.5 liter
> > engine. I am still not clear on the issue.
> >
> > Did the 93 300SD have a 3.5 litre engine that is not a rodbender?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > -Dave Walton
> > 94 S350, 99 E300
> >
> > On 12/24/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > There are no problems with the heads or gaskets on those engines.  The
> > > 140 300SD was 92-93, S350 94-95
> > >
> > > dave walton wrote:
> > >
> > > > That car looks used, abused, and beat to shit. Those W140's are
> > > > expensive enough to maintain if you start with a good one. Ask me how
> > > > I know...
> > > > Plus, the seller has a history of "buyer beware" behavior documented
> > > > in his feedback. There is s much to go wrong with this model you
> > > > could spend a couple grand on little PITA repairs. Not to mention the
> > > > rodbender engine, problematic head, and self-destructing head gasket.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, I thought the S350's were only imported here in 94 and 95?
> > > > And why is the sunroof open with snow on the ground?
> > > >
> > > > -Dave Walton
> > > >
> > > > 94 S350, 99 E300
> > > >
> > > > 4599601326
> > > >
> > > > On 12/24/05, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>eBay car, if anyone wants me to check it out, it is not to far from my 
> > > >>work.
> > > >>
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> > > >>
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Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Desert Rat]

All MB S class diesels from 1991 (W126) and all W140's had the rod
bender engine even if the badge says 300SD. This applies to North
America only.

On 12/24/05, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was a bit confused by that. My understanding is that the 300's (3.0
> litre) are okay while the 350's (3.5 litre) are problematic. This car
> is listed as a 300-Series, but is described as having the 3.5 liter
> engine. I am still not clear on the issue.
>
> Did the 93 300SD have a 3.5 litre engine that is not a rodbender?
>
> Thanks
>
> -Dave Walton
> 94 S350, 99 E300
>
> On 12/24/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There are no problems with the heads or gaskets on those engines.  The
> > 140 300SD was 92-93, S350 94-95
> >
> > dave walton wrote:
> >
> > > That car looks used, abused, and beat to shit. Those W140's are
> > > expensive enough to maintain if you start with a good one. Ask me how
> > > I know...
> > > Plus, the seller has a history of "buyer beware" behavior documented
> > > in his feedback. There is s much to go wrong with this model you
> > > could spend a couple grand on little PITA repairs. Not to mention the
> > > rodbender engine, problematic head, and self-destructing head gasket.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I thought the S350's were only imported here in 94 and 95?
> > > And why is the sunroof open with snow on the ground?
> > >
> > > -Dave Walton
> > >
> > > 94 S350, 99 E300
> > >
> > > 4599601326
> > >
> > > On 12/24/05, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >>eBay car, if anyone wants me to check it out, it is not to far from my 
> > >>work.
> > >>
> > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Strong-running-300SD-diesel-inexpensive_W0QQitemZ4599601326QQcategoryZ6336QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> > >>
> > >>No affiliation, ect.
> > >>Rick Knoble
> > >>1985 300 CD
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> >   84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
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Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[dave walton]

I was a bit confused by that. My understanding is that the 300's (3.0
litre) are okay while the 350's (3.5 litre) are problematic. This car
is listed as a 300-Series, but is described as having the 3.5 liter
engine. I am still not clear on the issue.

Did the 93 300SD have a 3.5 litre engine that is not a rodbender?

Thanks

-Dave Walton
94 S350, 99 E300

On 12/24/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are no problems with the heads or gaskets on those engines.  The
> 140 300SD was 92-93, S350 94-95
>
> dave walton wrote:
>
> > That car looks used, abused, and beat to shit. Those W140's are
> > expensive enough to maintain if you start with a good one. Ask me how
> > I know...
> > Plus, the seller has a history of "buyer beware" behavior documented
> > in his feedback. There is s much to go wrong with this model you
> > could spend a couple grand on little PITA repairs. Not to mention the
> > rodbender engine, problematic head, and self-destructing head gasket.
> >
> > Anyway, I thought the S350's were only imported here in 94 and 95?
> > And why is the sunroof open with snow on the ground?
> >
> > -Dave Walton
> >
> > 94 S350, 99 E300
> >
> > 4599601326
> >
> > On 12/24/05, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>eBay car, if anyone wants me to check it out, it is not to far from my work.
> >>
> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Strong-running-300SD-diesel-inexpensive_W0QQitemZ4599601326QQcategoryZ6336QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> >>
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> >>Rick Knoble
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Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Jim Cathey]

Well I try to not cuss on this list too much but this car is a piece of
shit, it has had a salvage title:


This doesn't necessarily mean too much, given how sloppy States
can be with their paperwork at times.  This vehicle _is_ a bit
POS-ey, though, just from looking at it.  It could easily have
gotten a besmirched title just by the process it went through when
getting a new engine.

Anybody else think the Carfax reports are particularly difficult
to read?  Almost like ex-Microsoft Cobol heads designed it.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

well here is the answer from the seller:

Item: Mercedes-Benz : 300-Series (4599601326)
This message was sent while the listing was active.
addisonautogroupinc is the seller.
Looks like it was hit in the front,long time ago,no recent repair,also 
you have the small existing damage showed in the pictures


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


Its supposed to have a mpg guage, all 140's do.

Dave M. wrote:



I noticed it has a 'MPG' gauge. I thought only gas models had this -
those are simply vacuum gauges. What in the world would drive a MPG
gauge on a diesel? Boost pressure or something? Bizarre!

BTW - I agree, this looks like a beater. And I don't trust the
seller's feedback. And I don't like private bidding. And I'd want some
kind of verification of the 'recent' engine. If it does have a factory
crate motor in there, it's almost worth it as a parts car, if the
reserve is low enough. Hmmm.

O_o

+dm




--
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:34:02 -0700
From: Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)


On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:57:29 -0600 "Rick Knoble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:




eBay car, if anyone wants me to check it out, it is not to far from my
work.

<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4599601326>



Yes, but check out his feedback. Makes me leery.


Craig



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Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Its supposed to have a mpg guage, all 140's do.

Dave M. wrote:


I noticed it has a 'MPG' gauge. I thought only gas models had this -
those are simply vacuum gauges. What in the world would drive a MPG
gauge on a diesel? Boost pressure or something? Bizarre!

BTW - I agree, this looks like a beater. And I don't trust the
seller's feedback. And I don't like private bidding. And I'd want some
kind of verification of the 'recent' engine. If it does have a factory
crate motor in there, it's almost worth it as a parts car, if the
reserve is low enough. Hmmm.

O_o

+dm



--
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:34:02 -0700
From: Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)


On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:57:29 -0600 "Rick Knoble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:



eBay car, if anyone wants me to check it out, it is not to far from my
work.

<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4599601326>



Yes, but check out his feedback. Makes me leery.


Craig



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Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I just sent a question asking if it had ever been wrecked.

Mitch Haley wrote:


Craig McCluskey wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4599601326


Yes, but check out his feedback. Makes me leery.



Might be interesting to see if a dealer service writer would
check the history of that VIN & look for an engine replacement.

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Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well I try to not cuss on this list too much but this car is a piece of 
shit, it has had a salvage title:


Vehicle Snapshot
Vehicle 1993 Mercedes-Benz S Class 300SD
VIN WDBGB34E8PA104173
Body Style 4 Door Sedan
Country of Manufacture Germany


Vehicle History Checklist
Vehicle Description WDBGB34E8PA104173
Title Check Records found
Problem Check No records found
Odometer Check No records found
Vehicle Information No records found
Full History Records found

 Title Check
Problems Found!

Abandoned No Abandoned Records Found
Damaged No Damaged Records Found
Fire Damage No Fire Damage Records Found
Grey Market No Grey Market Records Found
Hail Damage No Hail Damage Records Found
Insurance Loss No Insurance Loss Records Found
Junk Junk Records Found
Rebuilt/Rebuildable Rebuilt/Rebuildable Records Found
Salvage Salvage Records Found


 Problem Check
Your vehicle checks out!

NHTSA Crash Test Vehicle No NHTSA Crash Test Vehicle Records Found
Fire Damage Incident No Fire Damage Incident Records Found
Frame Damage No Frame Damage Records Found
Major Damage No Major Damage Records Found
Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon No Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon Records Found
Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon No Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon Records Found
Odometer Problem No Odometer Problem Records Found
Salvage Auction No Salvage Auction Records Found
Water Damage No Water Damage Records Found


 Vehicle Information
Your vehicle checks out!

Accident Data No Accident Data Records Found
Corrected Title No Corrected Title Records Found
Driver Education No Driver Education Records Found
Duplicate Title No Duplicate Title Records Found
Emission/Safety Inspection No Emission/Safety Inspection Records Found
Livery Use No Livery Use Records Found
Government Use No Government Use Records Found
Police Use No Police Use Records Found
Rental/Fleet No Rental/Fleet Records Found
Repossessed No Repossessed Records Found
Taxi Use No Taxi Use Records Found
Theft No Theft Records Found


 Vehicle History Records
We have searched the Experian Automotive National Vehicle Database of 
insurance, DMV, and auto auction information and found the following 23 
records for this 1993 MERCEDES-BENZ S CLASS 300SD. Note the highlighted 
rows for potential issues that could affect the value of this vehicle.


Date Location Mileage Description
1996-04-16 mason city, IL  registration event/renewal
1997-04-25 mason city, IL  registration event/renewal
1998-05-15 grand prairie, TX 86719 title
1998-05-15 grand prairie, TX  junk vehicle
1998-05-15 grand prairie, TX  salvage
1998-06-01 grand prairie, TX  registration event/renewal
1998-12-01 knox, IN  title
1998-12-01 knox, IN  rebuilt/rebuildable
1999-03-05 union, MO  registration event/renewal
1999-03-09 union, MO 87924 title
1999-06-28 burbank, IL  registration event/renewal
1999-10-01 tinley park, IL  registration event/renewal
1999-10-27 tinley park, IL 89000 title
2000-09-16 tinley park, IL  registration event/renewal
2001-10-16 tinley park, IL  registration event/renewal
2002-07-14 tinley park, IL  registration event/renewal
2002-11-14 tinley park, IL  registration event/renewal
2002-11-25 tinley park, IL 91361 title
2002-12-12 tinley park, IL  registration event/renewal
2004-03-04 chicago, IL  registration event/renewal
2004-03-18 chicago, IL  title
2004-03-18 chicago, IL  excluded/exempt
2005-02-22 tinley park, IL  registration event/renewal


Glossary of Descriptions Found for This Vehicle (full glossary)
Description Full Definition

Renewal Vehicle had registration renewal event reported by state DMV.
Title Vehicle had title registration event reported by state DMV.
Junk Vehicle parts have been salvaged and vehicle has been destroyed or 
scrapped.

Salvage A vehicle branded as salvage by the reporting DMV.
Rebuilt/Rebuildable A salvaged vehicle that was refurbished with 
new/used parts.
Excluded/Exempt Vehicle is generally exempt from normal/mandatory 
odometer law for the following reasons:

1.Vehicle model year is 10 years or older.
2.Gross weight of vehicle over 16000 lbs.
3.Vehicle is not self-propelled.
4.Titled to the manufacturer.

 Highlights
Highlights from our Editors' Review of the 1992-99 Mercedes-Benz 
S-Class/CL-Class
The following summary includes recall and trouble spot information for 
several model years of this vehicle. Only information labeled "1992-99" 
applies to this vehicle.


Consumer Guide Rating
N/A


Pros
Acceleration (except S320), Ride, Passenger and cargo room, 
Steering/handling, Side airbags (late models)



Cons
Fuel economy, Price
Road Test Scores
Performance 7
Fuel Economy 3
Ride Quality 9
Steering/Handling/Braking 6
Quietness 8
Controls/Materials 7
Interior Room 8
Room/Comfort (rear) 6
Cargo Capacity 4
Value within Class 5
(all scores out of 10)

NHTSA Safety Ratings
N/A
(all scores out of 5)
 Recalls
Check with the seller to ensure that the recall work was completed on 
these items.



1996: Drive-belt pulley on some cars can break.


1997: Corrosion of electrical-ignition filam

Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

There are no problems with the heads or gaskets on those engines.  The 
140 300SD was 92-93, S350 94-95


dave walton wrote:


That car looks used, abused, and beat to shit. Those W140's are
expensive enough to maintain if you start with a good one. Ask me how
I know...
Plus, the seller has a history of "buyer beware" behavior documented
in his feedback. There is s much to go wrong with this model you
could spend a couple grand on little PITA repairs. Not to mention the
rodbender engine, problematic head, and self-destructing head gasket.

Anyway, I thought the S350's were only imported here in 94 and 95?
And why is the sunroof open with snow on the ground?

-Dave Walton

94 S350, 99 E300

4599601326

On 12/24/05, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


eBay car, if anyone wants me to check it out, it is not to far from my work.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Strong-running-300SD-diesel-inexpensive_W0QQitemZ4599601326QQcategoryZ6336QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

No affiliation, ect.
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD
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 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[dave walton]

My diesel has an MPG gauge. I ignore it. No idea what actuates it. It
does move quite a bit.

-Dave Walton
94 S350, 99 E300

On 12/24/05, Dave M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I noticed it has a 'MPG' gauge. I thought only gas models had this -
> those are simply vacuum gauges. What in the world would drive a MPG
> gauge on a diesel? Boost pressure or something? Bizarre!
>
> BTW - I agree, this looks like a beater. And I don't trust the
> seller's feedback. And I don't like private bidding. And I'd want some
> kind of verification of the 'recent' engine. If it does have a factory
> crate motor in there, it's almost worth it as a parts car, if the
> reserve is low enough. Hmmm.
>
> O_o
>
> +dm
>
> > --
> > Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:34:02 -0700
> > From: Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:57:29 -0600 "Rick Knoble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > eBay car, if anyone wants me to check it out, it is not to far from my
> > > work.
> > >
> > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4599601326>
> >
> >
> > Yes, but check out his feedback. Makes me leery.
> >
> >
> > Craig
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Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Dave M.]

I noticed it has a 'MPG' gauge. I thought only gas models had this -
those are simply vacuum gauges. What in the world would drive a MPG
gauge on a diesel? Boost pressure or something? Bizarre!

BTW - I agree, this looks like a beater. And I don't trust the
seller's feedback. And I don't like private bidding. And I'd want some
kind of verification of the 'recent' engine. If it does have a factory
crate motor in there, it's almost worth it as a parts car, if the
reserve is low enough. Hmmm.

O_o

+dm

> --
> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:34:02 -0700
> From: Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)
>
>
> On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:57:29 -0600 "Rick Knoble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > eBay car, if anyone wants me to check it out, it is not to far from my
> > work.
> >
> > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4599601326>
>
>
> Yes, but check out his feedback. Makes me leery.
>
>
> Craig

Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Mitch Haley]

Craig McCluskey wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4599601326
> 
> Yes, but check out his feedback. Makes me leery.

Might be interesting to see if a dealer service writer would
check the history of that VIN & look for an engine replacement.

Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[dave walton]

That car looks used, abused, and beat to shit. Those W140's are
expensive enough to maintain if you start with a good one. Ask me how
I know...
Plus, the seller has a history of "buyer beware" behavior documented
in his feedback. There is s much to go wrong with this model you
could spend a couple grand on little PITA repairs. Not to mention the
rodbender engine, problematic head, and self-destructing head gasket.

Anyway, I thought the S350's were only imported here in 94 and 95?
And why is the sunroof open with snow on the ground?

-Dave Walton

94 S350, 99 E300

4599601326

On 12/24/05, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> eBay car, if anyone wants me to check it out, it is not to far from my work.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Strong-running-300SD-diesel-inexpensive_W0QQitemZ4599601326QQcategoryZ6336QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> No affiliation, ect.
> Rick Knoble
> 1985 300 CD
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Re: [MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:57:29 -0600 "Rick Knoble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> eBay car, if anyone wants me to check it out, it is not to far from my
> work. 
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Strong-running-300SD-diesel-inexpensive_W0QQitemZ4599601326QQcategoryZ6336QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Yes, but check out his feedback. Makes me leery.


Craig

[MBZ] 93 S-Class diesel (new engine?)

[Rick Knoble]

eBay car, if anyone wants me to check it out, it is not to far from my work. 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Strong-running-300SD-diesel-inexpensive_W0QQitemZ4599601326QQcategoryZ6336QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

No affiliation, ect.
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD