Re: [MBZ] Air France #AF11 B777 fails to respond
On 11/04/2022 11:28 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: If you lose a prop blade in a fixed wing, there's at least a chance of a deadstick landing. With a copter, it's put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye... A fellow we knew (sadly he has developed dementia in his old age and is now in a care home) was a metallurgical engineer. His view of helicopters was "not if they will crash but when they will crash". Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Air France #AF11 B777 fails to respond
My favorite show is Air Disasters. Very compelling and fact-filled analysis of what went wrong. Produced in Canada. https://www.smithsonianchannel.com/shows/air-disasters On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 10:48 AM mitch--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > On 2022-04-12 10:27, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > If you lose a prop blade in a fixed wing, the vibration will tear the > > engine off the front of the plane and the massive imbalance will > > prevent a > > graceful descent. Same end result as in the copter. > > > Neighbor did that in a pusher prop UL. It might have helped that he had > a big slow prop running off a reduction belt drive. > A defective Nyloc nut came off a bolt in the wing structure and the bolt > turned a two blade prop into a 1 1/3 blade prop. He shut it down and > made a forced landing in some farmer's field. Took the wing off and > towed it home for repairs. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Air France #AF11 B777 fails to respond
On 2022-04-12 10:27, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: If you lose a prop blade in a fixed wing, the vibration will tear the engine off the front of the plane and the massive imbalance will prevent a graceful descent. Same end result as in the copter. Neighbor did that in a pusher prop UL. It might have helped that he had a big slow prop running off a reduction belt drive. A defective Nyloc nut came off a bolt in the wing structure and the bolt turned a two blade prop into a 1 1/3 blade prop. He shut it down and made a forced landing in some farmer's field. Took the wing off and towed it home for repairs. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Air France #AF11 B777 fails to respond
If you lose a prop blade in a fixed wing, the vibration will tear the engine off the front of the plane and the massive imbalance will prevent a graceful descent. Same end result as in the copter. On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 11:29 PM M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > If you lose a prop blade in a fixed wing, there's at least a chance of a > deadstick landing. With a copter, it's put your head between your legs > and kiss your ass goodbye... > > On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 7:30 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > At least in a helicopter you can autorotate. > > > > -D > > > > > On Apr 11, 2022, at 7:53 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > I'm beginning to give fly-by-wire the same high regard I give to > > > helicopters, i.e. I want no part of either. > > > > > > -MMM- > > > > > >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 9:32 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> oops > > >> > > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avVvgYQtDiI > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> --FT > > >> ___ > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Air France #AF11 B777 fails to respond
If you lose a prop blade in a fixed wing, there's at least a chance of a deadstick landing. With a copter, it's put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye... On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 7:30 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > At least in a helicopter you can autorotate. > > -D > > > On Apr 11, 2022, at 7:53 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > I'm beginning to give fly-by-wire the same high regard I give to > > helicopters, i.e. I want no part of either. > > > > -MMM- > > > >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 9:32 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> oops > >> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avVvgYQtDiI > >> > >> > >> -- > >> --FT > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Air France #AF11 B777 fails to respond
At least in a helicopter you can autorotate. -D > On Apr 11, 2022, at 7:53 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes > wrote: > > I'm beginning to give fly-by-wire the same high regard I give to > helicopters, i.e. I want no part of either. > > -MMM- > >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 9:32 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> oops >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avVvgYQtDiI >> >> >> -- >> --FT >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Air France #AF11 B777 fails to respond
I'm beginning to give fly-by-wire the same high regard I give to helicopters, i.e. I want no part of either. -MMM- On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 9:32 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > oops > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avVvgYQtDiI > > > -- > --FT > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Air France #AF11 B777 fails to respond
oops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avVvgYQtDiI -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Air France
...Personally, I question the design philosophy here -- if the plane cannot be flown without accurate air speed signal, you'd damned well better insure that you NEVER lose that data stream. And you can't hand fly anything in the middle of the night at altitude in bad weather. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
