Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Scott Ritchey]

In "1984" George Orwell dubbed it "Newspeak" (mind control through
language).

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You got it Wilton.  Sad times when stating fact is thought of as a racial
slur because some sissy failed to leave his/her feelings under the pillow
when they got out of bed.  I call it "The Pussification of America".  I
tend to not worry too much about PC..Mac is much less troubleB-)

Mike
On Sep 10, 2013 1:05 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:



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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Rich Thomas]

I worked with a guy named Billy Goon who was Chinese.  One day we were 
talking and he says he plays poker with a bunch of other chinamen.  At 
that time, that term was derogatory from what I understood, so I say 
whoa you can't be saying that.  He asks what I mean, I say you can't say 
"chinamen" as that is derogatory.  He looks at me like I have 3 heads 
and asks why.  So I explain best I could that some people decided that 
was bad.  He is completely perplexed, and says, well I am from China, I 
am a man, so I am a chinaman just like you would be an americaman in China.


On an amusing side note in that regard, my buddy used to work for the 
computer company Wang way back when.  He was in a meeting with Mr. Wang 
and a bunch of other people, being presented to by some advertising firm 
who was pitching their services.  They unveil a big rendering of a 
full-page newspaper ad that says in big letters WANG The Chink in IBM's 
Armor along with whatever graphics and copy.  He says the whole room 
goes quiet, the guy is standing there like what did I just do, then it 
dawns on him...  Mr. Wang says very quietly, "Thank you, I think we have 
heard enough" and gets up and walks out.  True story.


The eminent authority on language and social interactions Ms. Rachel 
Jeantel explained it quite well.   Chinos! 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jUTzivZNO8


--R





On 9/10/13 12:36 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

So if this works like other "minorities" then if you are Oriental or Asian
you can refer to your peers as "Chinks" and still be politically correct?

Mike
Who hopes someone besides me gets the humor...




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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Rich Thomas]

Yes, that is what he means, using the Eurocentric designation (orient > 
rising > sun > east, that sort of thing, coming from the Age of 
Exploration and Empires and all that, along with a command of the Latin 
language and the associated etymology).


But he is correct.  A good friend of mine married a Chinese girl, very 
intelligent (she is an economics professor now, Hahvahd, MIT degrees), 
who grew up in New York City, no car.  She learned to drive at like 22 
or so, having had no need of a car up til then or any particular 
experience with them other than the occasional taxi, and really hated 
driving but had to in Houston to get anywhere (she did not want to ride 
the Ghetro).


One day we got talking about that subject for some reason, she was all 
like OMG the Chinese are the worst drivers, me included!  We determined, 
based on her ability to do extremely sophisticated econometric analysis, 
etc. that the reason for it was they don't grow up in a 
car/driving/riding culture (realizing that most are first or second 
generation) and so do not develop the awareness of subtle clues that are 
all around us and contribute to our ability to drive to varying degrees 
of wellness.  Also recognizing many people have their heads up their 
posteriors, providing a similar result, oriental, chinee, or whatever.  
Kinda like being dropped into any culture or situation without that sort 
of conditioning, you will look like a fool, or worse.  Her parents were 
off the boat, never drove a car.  She was a city girl, never drove a 
car, so cars were like some magical thing to them, more or less.


So to some extent it is a cultural attribute that is on display for all 
to observe.  How one gauges that observation is subject to one's own 
subjective observations.  Clay is also likely somewhat 
racisss but that does not really affect the quality of his 
subjective anecdotal observations in regards to the driving aspect.


Also note that in China the chance of dying in a car crash is something 
like 10% for all drivers.  That is, uh, high.


--R


On 9/10/13 10:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Do you mean Asians?

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:39 AM, clay  wrote:


I am not impressed with the driving ability of orientals.  I am pretty
sure the ones across the street are PLA spies.  Been there two years and
seem to get new high end cars every six months or so.  First it was VW,
then they moved to Benz, now it is BMW.  I had a good snicker this past
weekend when the fold down hard top was left down overnight while the
massive thunder storm blew through.  The red leather looked very unhappy
with a few inches of water all over it.

clay

Who is glad you and the car are both doing well



On Sep 9, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:


I just about had the old 300D wiped out yesterday.
My younger son and I were on our way to a big car show that is sponsored

by the Fabulous 50's Ford Club here annually in early September.

We were turning left in one of those double left turn setups, if you

understand what I mean.

We were southbound on McPhillips Street turning east onto Leila Avenue.

There are 2 dedicated left turn lanes and I was in the outside lane.

A fellow of Asian descent was in the other lane in a late model black

SUV. The light turned in our favour and we both moved forward but as he
turned the corner he drifted from the inside lane to the outside lane where
I was.

I don't know how I managed to dodge him and I don't think he even knew I

was there. What a jacka**.

My son's comment was, that insurance would likely pay me more than I

might be able to sell the car for.

Always a bright side I suppose as long as one does not get injured.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Scott Ritchey]

"Politically correct" is an oxymoron.




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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Ot perhaps a legacy of racial bias, slavery etc.
On Sep 10, 2013 4:41 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:

> A parent of one of my son's friends is from Dutch Guiana.  She refers to
> people by the color of their skin.
>
> When I asked her about this, she said it was a common way in her previous
> culture to identify people, as in "a black man" or "a yellow woman". She
> emphasized that it was never done in a disparaging manner, it was just a
> way to identify a characteristic.
>
> She found it strange that our culture could potentially find it
> inappropriate.
>
> I told her it was more a matter of societal norms and nothing else...
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 10, 2013, at 2:31 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
> > Neither is particularly descriptive in a useful way, like "african
> American". I know a guy from South Africa, he's white as me but looks a bit
> like a hobbit. He proudly declares that he's "african American" and its
> true, he's a naturalized citizen. People say "african American" when they
> mean "black". I don't understand why its okay to say "white" but not to say
> "black". I find "people of color" insulting to those of us with changeable
> skin tone. I'm pretty dark right now, its been a good summer.
> >
> > Anyway, last I heard it "Orientals are carpets".
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:54:07 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Richard Hattaway 
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
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> >
> >
> >
> >> I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the
> >> precision of his syntax.
> >
> > I am at a loss here. ?Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically
> correct any more?
> >
> > In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is
> considered offensive or racist.
> >
> > Do I need to be re-educated? ?
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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Gary Hurst]

"asian" is a particularly bad way to say it as it excludes most of asia
from its designation.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Andrew Strasfogel
wrote:

> I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the
> precision of his syntax.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Rich Thomas <
> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>
> > Yes, that is what he means, using the Eurocentric designation (orient >
> > rising > sun > east, that sort of thing, coming from the Age of
> Exploration
> > and Empires and all that, along with a command of the Latin language and
> > the associated etymology).
> >
> > But he is correct.  A good friend of mine married a Chinese girl, very
> > intelligent (she is an economics professor now, Hahvahd, MIT degrees),
> who
> > grew up in New York City, no car.  She learned to drive at like 22 or so,
> > having had no need of a car up til then or any particular experience with
> > them other than the occasional taxi, and really hated driving but had to
> in
> > Houston to get anywhere (she did not want to ride the Ghetro).
> >
> > One day we got talking about that subject for some reason, she was all
> > like OMG the Chinese are the worst drivers, me included!  We determined,
> > based on her ability to do extremely sophisticated econometric analysis,
> > etc. that the reason for it was they don't grow up in a
> car/driving/riding
> > culture (realizing that most are first or second generation) and so do
> not
> > develop the awareness of subtle clues that are all around us and
> contribute
> > to our ability to drive to varying degrees of wellness.  Also recognizing
> > many people have their heads up their posteriors, providing a similar
> > result, oriental, chinee, or whatever.  Kinda like being dropped into any
> > culture or situation without that sort of conditioning, you will look
> like
> > a fool, or worse.  Her parents were off the boat, never drove a car.  She
> > was a city girl, never drove a car, so cars were like some magical thing
> to
> > them, more or less.
> >
> > So to some extent it is a cultural attribute that is on display for all
> to
> > observe.  How one gauges that observation is subject to one's own
> > subjective observations.  Clay is also likely somewhat
> racisss
> > but that does not really affect the quality of his subjective anecdotal
> > observations in regards to the driving aspect.
> >
> > Also note that in China the chance of dying in a car crash is something
> > like 10% for all drivers.  That is, uh, high.
> >
> > --R
> >
> >
> > On 9/10/13 10:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> >
> >> Do you mean Asians?
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:39 AM, clay  wrote:
> >>
> >> I am not impressed with the driving ability of orientals.  I am pretty
> >>> sure the ones across the street are PLA spies.  Been there two years
> and
> >>> seem to get new high end cars every six months or so.  First it was VW,
> >>> then they moved to Benz, now it is BMW.  I had a good snicker this past
> >>> weekend when the fold down hard top was left down overnight while the
> >>> massive thunder storm blew through.  The red leather looked very
> unhappy
> >>> with a few inches of water all over it.
> >>>
> >>> clay
> >>>
> >>> Who is glad you and the car are both doing well
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sep 9, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I just about had the old 300D wiped out yesterday.
>  My younger son and I were on our way to a big car show that is
> sponsored
> 
> >>> by the Fabulous 50's Ford Club here annually in early September.
> >>>
>  We were turning left in one of those double left turn setups, if you
> 
> >>> understand what I mean.
> >>>
>  We were southbound on McPhillips Street turning east onto Leila
> Avenue.
> 
> >>> There are 2 dedicated left turn lanes and I was in the outside lane.
> >>>
>  A fellow of Asian descent was in the other lane in a late model black
> 
> >>> SUV. The light turned in our favour and we both moved forward but as he
> >>> turned the corner he drifted from the inside lane to the outside lane
> >>> where
> >>> I was.
> >>>
>  I don't know how I managed to dodge him and I don't think he even
> knew I
> 
> >>> was there. What a jacka**.
> >>>
>  My son's comment was, that insurance would likely pay me more than I
> 
> >>> might be able to sell the car for.
> >>>
>  Always a bright side I suppose as long as one does not get injured.
> 
>  Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Gary Hurst]

my daughter informed me with great delight that her bad teacher ended a
dispute between 2 students by screaming "niggers ain't bad in band" at
them.  while i personally find this incredibly charming and have great
respect for his taking command of the situation, i cannot help but lament
the double standard by which he can say this all day every day yet if i
white teacher so much as hinted at thinking such a though, he'd never work
again.  it's like a kind of terrorism, really

btw, the marching band constantly chants:

ice cold cool aid
fried chicken
fish n grits
that keep me tight!

again, can you imagine what would happen to a white teacher who taught this
to the band and had them chant it often at every game?


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

> So if this works like other "minorities" then if you are Oriental or Asian
> you can refer to your peers as "Chinks" and still be politically correct?
>
> Mike
> Who hopes someone besides me gets the humor...
> On Sep 10, 2013 12:31 PM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>
> > last i heard, "asian" is PC but "oriental" is not, but the rules change
> all
> > the time.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway <
> > rhatta...@rocketmail.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely
> the
> > > >precision of his syntax.
> > >
> > > I am at a loss here.  Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically
> > > correct any more?
> > >
> > > In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is
> > > considered offensive or racist.
> > >
> > > Do I need to be re-educated?
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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Randy Bennell]

I guess I could have described the driver differently.
I might have used oriental or ??? but I was trying to be somewhat 
conservative and not appear to be too red necked.

The fellow may have been Korean, Phillipino, etc.
Hard to tell since I am A) not an expert on that sort of thing, and B) 
did not really get close enough to determine much more


I blew my horn and waved my fist at him when I pulled up behind him at 
the next traffic light and he leaned out the window and waved his fist 
back at me.


Randy


On 10/09/2013 10:27 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
Yes, that is what he means, using the Eurocentric designation (orient 
> rising > sun > east, that sort of thing, coming from the Age of 
Exploration and Empires and all that, along with a command of the 
Latin language and the associated etymology).


But he is correct.  A good friend of mine married a Chinese girl, very 
intelligent (she is an economics professor now, Hahvahd, MIT degrees), 
who grew up in New York City, no car.  She learned to drive at like 22 
or so, having had no need of a car up til then or any particular 
experience with them other than the occasional taxi, and really hated 
driving but had to in Houston to get anywhere (she did not want to 
ride the Ghetro).


One day we got talking about that subject for some reason, she was all 
like OMG the Chinese are the worst drivers, me included!  We 
determined, based on her ability to do extremely sophisticated 
econometric analysis, etc. that the reason for it was they don't grow 
up in a car/driving/riding culture (realizing that most are first or 
second generation) and so do not develop the awareness of subtle clues 
that are all around us and contribute to our ability to drive to 
varying degrees of wellness.  Also recognizing many people have their 
heads up their posteriors, providing a similar result, oriental, 
chinee, or whatever.  Kinda like being dropped into any culture or 
situation without that sort of conditioning, you will look like a 
fool, or worse.  Her parents were off the boat, never drove a car.  
She was a city girl, never drove a car, so cars were like some magical 
thing to them, more or less.


So to some extent it is a cultural attribute that is on display for 
all to observe.  How one gauges that observation is subject to one's 
own subjective observations.  Clay is also likely somewhat 
racisss but that does not really affect the quality of his 
subjective anecdotal observations in regards to the driving aspect.


Also note that in China the chance of dying in a car crash is 
something like 10% for all drivers.  That is, uh, high.


--R


On 9/10/13 10:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Do you mean Asians?

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:39 AM, clay  wrote:


I am not impressed with the driving ability of orientals.  I am pretty
sure the ones across the street are PLA spies.  Been there two years 
and

seem to get new high end cars every six months or so.  First it was VW,
then they moved to Benz, now it is BMW.  I had a good snicker this past
weekend when the fold down hard top was left down overnight while the
massive thunder storm blew through.  The red leather looked very 
unhappy

with a few inches of water all over it.

clay

Who is glad you and the car are both doing well



On Sep 9, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:


I just about had the old 300D wiped out yesterday.
My younger son and I were on our way to a big car show that is 
sponsored

by the Fabulous 50's Ford Club here annually in early September.

We were turning left in one of those double left turn setups, if you

understand what I mean.
We were southbound on McPhillips Street turning east onto Leila 
Avenue.

There are 2 dedicated left turn lanes and I was in the outside lane.

A fellow of Asian descent was in the other lane in a late model black

SUV. The light turned in our favour and we both moved forward but as he
turned the corner he drifted from the inside lane to the outside 
lane where

I was.
I don't know how I managed to dodge him and I don't think he even 
knew I

was there. What a jacka**.

My son's comment was, that insurance would likely pay me more than I

might be able to sell the car for.

Always a bright side I suppose as long as one does not get injured.

Randy




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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Oriental is fine.  It means Korean or Japanese.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> last i heard, "asian" is PC but "oriental" is not, but the rules change all
> the time.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway <
> rhatta...@rocketmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > >I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the
> > >precision of his syntax.
> >
> > I am at a loss here.  Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically
> > correct any more?
> >
> > In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is
> > considered offensive or racist.
> >
> > Do I need to be re-educated?
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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[clay]

But they are not a carpet.  That is racist to say a middle eastern rug is 
oriental.  If the thing is made in china, it can be oriental.

clay

On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

> Neither is particularly descriptive in a useful way, like "african American". 
> I know a guy from South Africa, he's white as me but looks a bit like a 
> hobbit. He proudly declares that he's "african American" and its true, he's a 
> naturalized citizen. People say "african American" when they mean "black". I 
> don't understand why its okay to say "white" but not to say "black". I find 
> "people of color" insulting to those of us with changeable skin tone. I'm 
> pretty dark right now, its been a good summer.
> 
> Anyway, last I heard it "Orientals are carpets".
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:54:07 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Richard Hattaway 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
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> 
> 
> 
> 
>> I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the
>> precision of his syntax.
> 
> I am at a loss here. ?Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct 
> any more?
> 
> In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is 
> considered offensive or racist.
> 
> Do I need to be re-educated? ?
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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

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WILTON

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What happened to the terms for different races that I learned about many 
years ago in high school or college - Caucasian, Negroid, Mongoloid, etc.? 
Isn't it merely a statement of fact, not meant as anything denigrating?



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From: "Greg Fiorentino" 

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Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers



So I was talking to my (then much younger and very PC) daughter and
committed the unpardonable sin of saying that I bought some groceries at 
the

"Oriental Grocery"...the actual name of the store.  She demanded to know
then how I would like being called an occidental.  I honestly (missing 
the

point entirely) told her I didn't give a crap.

But seriously...if you want to describe an oriental (someone from the 
east,
who is racially of a group consisting of Japanese, Korean, Chinese, 
Burmese

etc.) and you use the term "asian" doesn't that term also include people
from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc; who are racially and
culturally very different?  When I read an account in the British news 
about

some asian men being arrested for terrorist activities I can never figure
out WTF they are talking about!

SO is the PC version intended to blur those differences so as to make a
statement that those differences are meaningless in the same way that the
term "partner" can mean married people, people in a homosexual 
relationship

or people working closely together in a business arrangement?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Greg

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Hurst
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:32 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

last i heard, "asian" is PC but "oriental" is not, but the rules change 
all

the time.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway 

wrote:






>I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely
>the precision of his syntax.

I am at a loss here.  Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically
correct any more?

In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is
considered offensive or racist.

Do I need to be re-educated?
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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Dan Penoff]

A parent of one of my son's friends is from Dutch Guiana.  She refers to people 
by the color of their skin.

When I asked her about this, she said it was a common way in her previous 
culture to identify people, as in "a black man" or "a yellow woman". She 
emphasized that it was never done in a disparaging manner, it was just a way to 
identify a characteristic.

She found it strange that our culture could potentially find it inappropriate.

I told her it was more a matter of societal norms and nothing else...

Dan

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On Sep 10, 2013, at 2:31 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Neither is particularly descriptive in a useful way, like "african American". 
> I know a guy from South Africa, he's white as me but looks a bit like a 
> hobbit. He proudly declares that he's "african American" and its true, he's a 
> naturalized citizen. People say "african American" when they mean "black". I 
> don't understand why its okay to say "white" but not to say "black". I find 
> "people of color" insulting to those of us with changeable skin tone. I'm 
> pretty dark right now, its been a good summer.
> 
> Anyway, last I heard it "Orientals are carpets".
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:54:07 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Richard Hattaway 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
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> 
> 
>> I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the
>> precision of his syntax.
> 
> I am at a loss here. ?Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct 
> any more?
> 
> In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is 
> considered offensive or racist.
> 
> Do I need to be re-educated? ?
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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Michael Canfield]

So if this works like other "minorities" then if you are Oriental or Asian
you can refer to your peers as "Chinks" and still be politically correct?

Mike
Who hopes someone besides me gets the humor...
On Sep 10, 2013 12:31 PM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:

> last i heard, "asian" is PC but "oriental" is not, but the rules change all
> the time.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway <
> rhatta...@rocketmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > >I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the
> > >precision of his syntax.
> >
> > I am at a loss here.  Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically
> > correct any more?
> >
> > In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is
> > considered offensive or racist.
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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Gary Hurst]

i lived in a county with 100,000 asians and it was indicated to me that
"oriental" was not the "preferred nomenclature", to quote a great sage of
our times.  but i personally don't care as i don't get involved in these
sorts of PC things.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
wrote:

> Oriental is fine.  It means Korean or Japanese.
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Gary Hurst 
> wrote:
>
> > last i heard, "asian" is PC but "oriental" is not, but the rules change
> all
> > the time.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway <
> > rhatta...@rocketmail.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely
> the
> > > >precision of his syntax.
> > >
> > > I am at a loss here.  Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically
> > > correct any more?
> > >
> > > In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is
> > > considered offensive or racist.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[clay]

Two points.

The north koreans are now purchasing Porsche, having moved on from BMW.

the school #2 boys attends just let us know they are in lock down.  Seems some 
men in a dark sedan decided to open fire on an unarmed fellow.  He was 
transported to hospital in critical condition.  There were a pair of other 
elementary schools that are in lock down.

I checked the local news app and was very surprised to find the suspects were 
noted as being african americans.  They never reveal the race of criminals 
around Seattle.  We are supposed to assume all the criminals are of a generic 
background, so you can not know what perps are doing what sort of illegal 
things by race.

clay


On Sep 10, 2013, at 9:55 AM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

> So I was talking to my (then much younger and very PC) daughter and
> committed the unpardonable sin of saying that I bought some groceries at the
> "Oriental Grocery"...the actual name of the store.  She demanded to know
> then how I would like being called an occidental.  I honestly (missing the
> point entirely) told her I didn't give a crap.
> 
> But seriously...if you want to describe an oriental (someone from the east,
> who is racially of a group consisting of Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Burmese
> etc.) and you use the term "asian" doesn't that term also include people
> from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc; who are racially and
> culturally very different?  When I read an account in the British news about
> some asian men being arrested for terrorist activities I can never figure
> out WTF they are talking about!
> 
> SO is the PC version intended to blur those differences so as to make a
> statement that those differences are meaningless in the same way that the
> term "partner" can mean married people, people in a homosexual relationship
> or people working closely together in a business arrangement?
> 
> Inquiring minds want to know!
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary
> Hurst
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:32 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
> 
> last i heard, "asian" is PC but "oriental" is not, but the rules change all
> the time.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway > wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely 
>>> the precision of his syntax.
>> 
>> I am at a loss here.  Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically 
>> correct any more?
>> 
>> In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is 
>> considered offensive or racist.
>> 
>> Do I need to be re-educated?  


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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[clay]

The latins are less afraid of their shadows and more honest with identifying 
characteristics.  IT does speed things along when you can say it was a chinese 
or a turk indicating a store owner, as they tended to focus according to 
ethnicity what sort of retail business it was.  Like being able to pair a 
person from Pakistan to 7-11.

clay


On Sep 10, 2013, at 1:41 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

> A parent of one of my son's friends is from Dutch Guiana.  She refers to 
> people by the color of their skin.
> 
> When I asked her about this, she said it was a common way in her previous 
> culture to identify people, as in "a black man" or "a yellow woman". She 
> emphasized that it was never done in a disparaging manner, it was just a way 
> to identify a characteristic.
> 
> She found it strange that our culture could potentially find it inappropriate.
> 
> I told her it was more a matter of societal norms and nothing else...
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Sep 10, 2013, at 2:31 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
>> Neither is particularly descriptive in a useful way, like "african 
>> American". I know a guy from South Africa, he's white as me but looks a bit 
>> like a hobbit. He proudly declares that he's "african American" and its 
>> true, he's a naturalized citizen. People say "african American" when they 
>> mean "black". I don't understand why its okay to say "white" but not to say 
>> "black". I find "people of color" insulting to those of us with changeable 
>> skin tone. I'm pretty dark right now, its been a good summer.
>> 
>> Anyway, last I heard it "Orientals are carpets".
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:54:07 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Richard Hattaway 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the
>>> precision of his syntax.
>> 
>> I am at a loss here. ?Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct 
>> any more?
>> 
>> In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is 
>> considered offensive or racist.
>> 
>> Do I need to be re-educated? ?
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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[clay]

Sorry Wilton,  you can only self identify, no longer is race able to be 
designated.  You have to be latino or african american.  You can be white is 
you really need to be.  Maybe asian american, but they are not happy about that 
given the density of that population here, prefer to be identified by 
nationality.  They seem not to like each others ethnicity.

clay

On Sep 10, 2013, at 10:04 AM, WILTON wrote:

> What happened to the terms for different races that I learned about many 
> years ago in high school or college - Caucasian, Negroid, Mongoloid, etc.? 
> Isn't it merely a statement of fact, not meant as anything denigrating?
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Greg Fiorentino" 
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
> 
> 
>> So I was talking to my (then much younger and very PC) daughter and
>> committed the unpardonable sin of saying that I bought some groceries at the
>> "Oriental Grocery"...the actual name of the store.  She demanded to know
>> then how I would like being called an occidental.  I honestly (missing the
>> point entirely) told her I didn't give a crap.
>> 
>> But seriously...if you want to describe an oriental (someone from the east,
>> who is racially of a group consisting of Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Burmese
>> etc.) and you use the term "asian" doesn't that term also include people
>> from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc; who are racially and
>> culturally very different?  When I read an account in the British news about
>> some asian men being arrested for terrorist activities I can never figure
>> out WTF they are talking about!
>> 
>> SO is the PC version intended to blur those differences so as to make a
>> statement that those differences are meaningless in the same way that the
>> term "partner" can mean married people, people in a homosexual relationship
>> or people working closely together in a business arrangement?
>> 
>> Inquiring minds want to know!
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary
>> Hurst
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:32 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
>> 
>> last i heard, "asian" is PC but "oriental" is not, but the rules change all
>> the time.
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway >> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> >I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely
>>> >the precision of his syntax.
>>> 
>>> I am at a loss here.  Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically
>>> correct any more?
>>> 
>>> In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is
>>> considered offensive or racist.
>>> 
>>> Do I need to be re-educated?
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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Rich Thomas]

There you go.  Hope for everyone!

I'm thinking that riding in a car in Burma would be roughly equivalent 
to driving around Boston from the age of 2 as far as experience with the 
whole car deal goes.  "If you don't like how I drive, stay off the damn 
sidewalk!"


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On 9/10/13 11:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

And BTW, my Asian ex spouse never caused an accident and was a very capable
driver, despite having been chauffered around as a child of an upper class
family in Burma before learning to drive on her own.



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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[WILTON]

What happened to the terms for different races that I learned about many 
years ago in high school or college - Caucasian, Negroid, Mongoloid, etc.? 
Isn't it merely a statement of fact, not meant as anything denigrating?



- Original Message - 
From: "Greg Fiorentino" 

To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers



So I was talking to my (then much younger and very PC) daughter and
committed the unpardonable sin of saying that I bought some groceries at 
the

"Oriental Grocery"...the actual name of the store.  She demanded to know
then how I would like being called an occidental.  I honestly (missing the
point entirely) told her I didn't give a crap.

But seriously...if you want to describe an oriental (someone from the 
east,
who is racially of a group consisting of Japanese, Korean, Chinese, 
Burmese

etc.) and you use the term "asian" doesn't that term also include people
from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc; who are racially and
culturally very different?  When I read an account in the British news 
about

some asian men being arrested for terrorist activities I can never figure
out WTF they are talking about!

SO is the PC version intended to blur those differences so as to make a
statement that those differences are meaningless in the same way that the
term "partner" can mean married people, people in a homosexual 
relationship

or people working closely together in a business arrangement?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Hurst
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:32 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

last i heard, "asian" is PC but "oriental" is not, but the rules change 
all

the time.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway 

wrote:






>I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely
>the precision of his syntax.

I am at a loss here.  Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically
correct any more?

In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is
considered offensive or racist.

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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Do you mean Asians?

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:39 AM, clay  wrote:

> I am not impressed with the driving ability of orientals.  I am pretty
> sure the ones across the street are PLA spies.  Been there two years and
> seem to get new high end cars every six months or so.  First it was VW,
> then they moved to Benz, now it is BMW.  I had a good snicker this past
> weekend when the fold down hard top was left down overnight while the
> massive thunder storm blew through.  The red leather looked very unhappy
> with a few inches of water all over it.
>
> clay
>
> Who is glad you and the car are both doing well
>
>
>
> On Sep 9, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:
>
> > I just about had the old 300D wiped out yesterday.
> > My younger son and I were on our way to a big car show that is sponsored
> by the Fabulous 50's Ford Club here annually in early September.
> > We were turning left in one of those double left turn setups, if you
> understand what I mean.
> > We were southbound on McPhillips Street turning east onto Leila Avenue.
> There are 2 dedicated left turn lanes and I was in the outside lane.
> > A fellow of Asian descent was in the other lane in a late model black
> SUV. The light turned in our favour and we both moved forward but as he
> turned the corner he drifted from the inside lane to the outside lane where
> I was.
> > I don't know how I managed to dodge him and I don't think he even knew I
> was there. What a jacka**.
> >
> > My son's comment was, that insurance would likely pay me more than I
> might be able to sell the car for.
> > Always a bright side I suppose as long as one does not get injured.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Gary Hurst]

no, greg, the whole PC thing it to bring certain individuals power that
they did not have before.  it's about how the disenfranchised gain control


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

> So I was talking to my (then much younger and very PC) daughter and
> committed the unpardonable sin of saying that I bought some groceries at
> the
> "Oriental Grocery"...the actual name of the store.  She demanded to know
> then how I would like being called an occidental.  I honestly (missing the
> point entirely) told her I didn't give a crap.
>
> But seriously...if you want to describe an oriental (someone from the east,
> who is racially of a group consisting of Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Burmese
> etc.) and you use the term "asian" doesn't that term also include people
> from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc; who are racially and
> culturally very different?  When I read an account in the British news
> about
> some asian men being arrested for terrorist activities I can never figure
> out WTF they are talking about!
>
> SO is the PC version intended to blur those differences so as to make a
> statement that those differences are meaningless in the same way that the
> term "partner" can mean married people, people in a homosexual relationship
> or people working closely together in a business arrangement?
>
> Inquiring minds want to know!
>
> Greg
>
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>
> last i heard, "asian" is PC but "oriental" is not, but the rules change all
> the time.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway <
> rhatta...@rocketmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > >I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely
> > >the precision of his syntax.
> >
> > I am at a loss here.  Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically
> > correct any more?
> >
> > In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is
> > considered offensive or racist.
> >
> > Do I need to be re-educated?
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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Richard Hattaway]

>I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the
>precision of his syntax.

I am at a loss here.  Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any 
more?

In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is 
considered offensive or racist.

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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Andrew Strasfogel]

And BTW, my Asian ex spouse never caused an accident and was a very capable
driver, despite having been chauffered around as a child of an upper class
family in Burma before learning to drive on her own.



On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Andrew Strasfogel
wrote:

> I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the
> precision of his syntax.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Rich Thomas <
> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>
>> Yes, that is what he means, using the Eurocentric designation (orient >
>> rising > sun > east, that sort of thing, coming from the Age of Exploration
>> and Empires and all that, along with a command of the Latin language and
>> the associated etymology).
>>
>> But he is correct.  A good friend of mine married a Chinese girl, very
>> intelligent (she is an economics professor now, Hahvahd, MIT degrees), who
>> grew up in New York City, no car.  She learned to drive at like 22 or so,
>> having had no need of a car up til then or any particular experience with
>> them other than the occasional taxi, and really hated driving but had to in
>> Houston to get anywhere (she did not want to ride the Ghetro).
>>
>> One day we got talking about that subject for some reason, she was all
>> like OMG the Chinese are the worst drivers, me included!  We determined,
>> based on her ability to do extremely sophisticated econometric analysis,
>> etc. that the reason for it was they don't grow up in a car/driving/riding
>> culture (realizing that most are first or second generation) and so do not
>> develop the awareness of subtle clues that are all around us and contribute
>> to our ability to drive to varying degrees of wellness.  Also recognizing
>> many people have their heads up their posteriors, providing a similar
>> result, oriental, chinee, or whatever.  Kinda like being dropped into any
>> culture or situation without that sort of conditioning, you will look like
>> a fool, or worse.  Her parents were off the boat, never drove a car.  She
>> was a city girl, never drove a car, so cars were like some magical thing to
>> them, more or less.
>>
>> So to some extent it is a cultural attribute that is on display for all
>> to observe.  How one gauges that observation is subject to one's own
>> subjective observations.  Clay is also likely somewhat racisss
>> but that does not really affect the quality of his subjective anecdotal
>> observations in regards to the driving aspect.
>>
>> Also note that in China the chance of dying in a car crash is something
>> like 10% for all drivers.  That is, uh, high.
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
>> On 9/10/13 10:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>
>>> Do you mean Asians?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:39 AM, clay  wrote:
>>>
>>> I am not impressed with the driving ability of orientals.  I am pretty
 sure the ones across the street are PLA spies.  Been there two years and
 seem to get new high end cars every six months or so.  First it was VW,
 then they moved to Benz, now it is BMW.  I had a good snicker this past
 weekend when the fold down hard top was left down overnight while the
 massive thunder storm blew through.  The red leather looked very unhappy
 with a few inches of water all over it.

 clay

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 On Sep 9, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:

 I just about had the old 300D wiped out yesterday.
> My younger son and I were on our way to a big car show that is
> sponsored
>
 by the Fabulous 50's Ford Club here annually in early September.

> We were turning left in one of those double left turn setups, if you
>
 understand what I mean.

> We were southbound on McPhillips Street turning east onto Leila Avenue.
>
 There are 2 dedicated left turn lanes and I was in the outside lane.

> A fellow of Asian descent was in the other lane in a late model black
>
 SUV. The light turned in our favour and we both moved forward but as he
 turned the corner he drifted from the inside lane to the outside lane
 where
 I was.

> I don't know how I managed to dodge him and I don't think he even knew
> I
>
 was there. What a jacka**.

> My son's comment was, that insurance would likely pay me more than I
>
 might be able to sell the car for.

> Always a bright side I suppose as long as one does not get injured.
>
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Greg Fiorentino]

So I was talking to my (then much younger and very PC) daughter and
committed the unpardonable sin of saying that I bought some groceries at the
"Oriental Grocery"...the actual name of the store.  She demanded to know
then how I would like being called an occidental.  I honestly (missing the
point entirely) told her I didn't give a crap.

But seriously...if you want to describe an oriental (someone from the east,
who is racially of a group consisting of Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Burmese
etc.) and you use the term "asian" doesn't that term also include people
from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc; who are racially and
culturally very different?  When I read an account in the British news about
some asian men being arrested for terrorist activities I can never figure
out WTF they are talking about!

SO is the PC version intended to blur those differences so as to make a
statement that those differences are meaningless in the same way that the
term "partner" can mean married people, people in a homosexual relationship
or people working closely together in a business arrangement?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

last i heard, "asian" is PC but "oriental" is not, but the rules change all
the time.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway  wrote:

>
>
>
> >I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely 
> >the precision of his syntax.
>
> I am at a loss here.  Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically 
> correct any more?
>
> In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is 
> considered offensive or racist.
>
> Do I need to be re-educated?
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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[WILTON]

We have some Orientals, Iranian (Persian), Indian, Kurdish, and others 
(can't remember the specifics) here in the house; 'walk on 'em every day. 
;<)


Wilton

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From: "clay" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers


But they are not a carpet.  That is racist to say a middle eastern rug is 
oriental.  If the thing is made in china, it can be oriental.


clay

On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Neither is particularly descriptive in a useful way, like "african 
American". I know a guy from South Africa, he's white as me but looks a 
bit like a hobbit. He proudly declares that he's "african American" and 
its true, he's a naturalized citizen. People say "african American" when 
they mean "black". I don't understand why its okay to say "white" but not 
to say "black". I find "people of color" insulting to those of us with 
changeable skin tone. I'm pretty dark right now, its been a good summer.


Anyway, last I heard it "Orientals are carpets".

-Curt

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:54:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Richard Hattaway 
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I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the
precision of his syntax.


I am at a loss here. ?Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically 
correct any more?


In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is 
considered offensive or racist.


Do I need to be re-educated? ?
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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Greg Fiorentino]

<<...perhaps a legacy of racial bias, slavery etc.>>

It is a common misconception that the US is unique or even preeminent in
having a history of slavery.  Most of the African slave trade went east, not
west.  Even the western slave trade went more to countries south of the US.
Slavery exists today in many parts of the world.

Some of my close relatives are named Loschiavo, which translates from the
Italian as "the slave".  The village in Italy where my dad (and the
Loschiavos) were born was moved up the mountains away from the sea three
times in its history.  Some say this was to escape the depredations of the
Corsairs.

The ethnic group in the US that were victims of the largest number of
lynchings (as a percent of their population numbers)  were not African
blacks, but Italians.  The largest mass lynching that took place in the US
was of Italians, not African blacks.

"Indeed Mississippi and Louisiana were to become a worldwide symbol of Anti
Italianism when, in 1891, eleven Italian immigrants in New Orleans were
lynched due to their alleged role in the murder of the police chief David
Hennessy.[4]

This was one of the largest mass lynchings in U.S. history."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Italians_in_Mississippi

Most people are skeptical of this, where are the Italian Sharptons and
Jacksons screaming for compensation?

Greg 

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Strasfogel
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

Ot 
On Sep 10, 2013 4:41 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:

> A parent of one of my son's friends is from Dutch Guiana.  She refers 
> to people by the color of their skin.
>
> When I asked her about this, she said it was a common way in her 
> previous culture to identify people, as in "a black man" or "a yellow 
> woman". She emphasized that it was never done in a disparaging manner, 
> it was just a way to identify a characteristic.
>
> She found it strange that our culture could potentially find it 
> inappropriate.
>
> I told her it was more a matter of societal norms and nothing else...
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 10, 2013, at 2:31 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
> > Neither is particularly descriptive in a useful way, like "african
> American". I know a guy from South Africa, he's white as me but looks 
> a bit like a hobbit. He proudly declares that he's "african American" 
> and its true, he's a naturalized citizen. People say "african 
> American" when they mean "black". I don't understand why its okay to 
> say "white" but not to say "black". I find "people of color" insulting 
> to those of us with changeable skin tone. I'm pretty dark right now, its
been a good summer.
> >
> > Anyway, last I heard it "Orientals are carpets".
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:54:07 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Richard Hattaway 
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> >
> >
> >> I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but 
> >> merely the precision of his syntax.
> >
> > I am at a loss here. ?Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically
> correct any more?
> >
> > In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither 
> > is
> considered offensive or racist.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[clay]

Are russians asians?  There is a lot of that country stuck on asia.  And the 
people on the steppes?  Asian?  The Indian indians do not like being called 
asians.  Must be the mountain range separates them from china makes them non 
asian.   Are we needing to drill down fully so that we cover all the bases.  
Austrian or Tyrollean extraction v. Italian Tyrollean.  Genetic basis to really 
be specific.  That would resolve a bunch of grey area.  Sneetches.  Who is 
better, the starred ones or the blank?

clay



On Sep 10, 2013, at 9:36 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

> So if this works like other "minorities" then if you are Oriental or Asian
> you can refer to your peers as "Chinks" and still be politically correct?
> 
> Mike
> Who hopes someone besides me gets the humor...
> On Sep 10, 2013 12:31 PM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
> 
>> last i heard, "asian" is PC but "oriental" is not, but the rules change all
>> the time.
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway <
>> rhatta...@rocketmail.com
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the
 precision of his syntax.
>>> 
>>> I am at a loss here.  Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically
>>> correct any more?
>>> 
>>> In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is
>>> considered offensive or racist.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Curt Raymond]

Neither is particularly descriptive in a useful way, like "african American". I 
know a guy from South Africa, he's white as me but looks a bit like a hobbit. 
He proudly declares that he's "african American" and its true, he's a 
naturalized citizen. People say "african American" when they mean "black". I 
don't understand why its okay to say "white" but not to say "black". I find 
"people of color" insulting to those of us with changeable skin tone. I'm 
pretty dark right now, its been a good summer.

Anyway, last I heard it "Orientals are carpets".

-Curt

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:54:07 -0700 (PDT)
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>I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the
>precision of his syntax.

I am at a loss here. ?Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any 
more?

In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is 
considered offensive or racist.

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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Michael Canfield]

You got it Wilton.  Sad times when stating fact is thought of as a racial
slur because some sissy failed to leave his/her feelings under the pillow
when they got out of bed.  I call it "The Pussification of America".  I
tend to not worry too much about PC..Mac is much less troubleB-)

Mike
On Sep 10, 2013 1:05 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:

> What happened to the terms for different races that I learned about many
> years ago in high school or college - Caucasian, Negroid, Mongoloid, etc.?
> Isn't it merely a statement of fact, not meant as anything denigrating?
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Greg Fiorentino" <
> gf...@dslnorthwest.net>
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
>
>
>  So I was talking to my (then much younger and very PC) daughter and
>> committed the unpardonable sin of saying that I bought some groceries at
>> the
>> "Oriental Grocery"...the actual name of the store.  She demanded to know
>> then how I would like being called an occidental.  I honestly (missing the
>> point entirely) told her I didn't give a crap.
>>
>> But seriously...if you want to describe an oriental (someone from the
>> east,
>> who is racially of a group consisting of Japanese, Korean, Chinese,
>> Burmese
>> etc.) and you use the term "asian" doesn't that term also include people
>> from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc; who are racially and
>> culturally very different?  When I read an account in the British news
>> about
>> some asian men being arrested for terrorist activities I can never figure
>> out WTF they are talking about!
>>
>> SO is the PC version intended to blur those differences so as to make a
>> statement that those differences are meaningless in the same way that the
>> term "partner" can mean married people, people in a homosexual
>> relationship
>> or people working closely together in a business arrangement?
>>
>> Inquiring minds want to know!
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes 
>> [mailto:mercedes-bounces@**okiebenz.com]
>> On Behalf Of Gary
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>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:32 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
>>
>> last i heard, "asian" is PC but "oriental" is not, but the rules change
>> all
>> the time.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway <
>> rhatta...@rocketmail.com
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> >the precision of his syntax.
>>>
>>> I am at a loss here.  Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically
>>> correct any more?
>>>
>>> In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is
>>> considered offensive or racist.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Gary Hurst]

last i heard, "asian" is PC but "oriental" is not, but the rules change all
the time.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway  wrote:

>
>
>
> >I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the
> >precision of his syntax.
>
> I am at a loss here.  Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically
> correct any more?
>
> In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is
> considered offensive or racist.
>
> Do I need to be re-educated?
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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Randy Bennell]

Thanks Clay. I was pretty happy to dodge that one too.
That is the second time I have had a similar near miss with the car.
I think perhaps its low power is what saved me in the sense that the 
other driver took off quicker than I did and was ahead of me rather than 
beside me.  Given the size of the SUV, he might not have seen me beside 
him even if he looked unless he used his right side mirror.


Randy

On 10/09/2013 12:39 AM, clay wrote:

I am not impressed with the driving ability of orientals.  I am pretty sure the 
ones across the street are PLA spies.  Been there two years and seem to get new 
high end cars every six months or so.  First it was VW, then they moved to 
Benz, now it is BMW.  I had a good snicker this past weekend when the fold down 
hard top was left down overnight while the massive thunder storm blew through.  
The red leather looked very unhappy with a few inches of water all over it.

clay

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On Sep 9, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:


I just about had the old 300D wiped out yesterday.
My younger son and I were on our way to a big car show that is sponsored by the 
Fabulous 50's Ford Club here annually in early September.
We were turning left in one of those double left turn setups, if you understand 
what I mean.
We were southbound on McPhillips Street turning east onto Leila Avenue. There 
are 2 dedicated left turn lanes and I was in the outside lane.
A fellow of Asian descent was in the other lane in a late model black SUV. The 
light turned in our favour and we both moved forward but as he turned the 
corner he drifted from the inside lane to the outside lane where I was.
I don't know how I managed to dodge him and I don't think he even knew I was 
there. What a jacka**.

My son's comment was, that insurance would likely pay me more than I might be 
able to sell the car for.
Always a bright side I suppose as long as one does not get injured.

Randy





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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Andrew Strasfogel]

I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the
precision of his syntax.



On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> Yes, that is what he means, using the Eurocentric designation (orient >
> rising > sun > east, that sort of thing, coming from the Age of Exploration
> and Empires and all that, along with a command of the Latin language and
> the associated etymology).
>
> But he is correct.  A good friend of mine married a Chinese girl, very
> intelligent (she is an economics professor now, Hahvahd, MIT degrees), who
> grew up in New York City, no car.  She learned to drive at like 22 or so,
> having had no need of a car up til then or any particular experience with
> them other than the occasional taxi, and really hated driving but had to in
> Houston to get anywhere (she did not want to ride the Ghetro).
>
> One day we got talking about that subject for some reason, she was all
> like OMG the Chinese are the worst drivers, me included!  We determined,
> based on her ability to do extremely sophisticated econometric analysis,
> etc. that the reason for it was they don't grow up in a car/driving/riding
> culture (realizing that most are first or second generation) and so do not
> develop the awareness of subtle clues that are all around us and contribute
> to our ability to drive to varying degrees of wellness.  Also recognizing
> many people have their heads up their posteriors, providing a similar
> result, oriental, chinee, or whatever.  Kinda like being dropped into any
> culture or situation without that sort of conditioning, you will look like
> a fool, or worse.  Her parents were off the boat, never drove a car.  She
> was a city girl, never drove a car, so cars were like some magical thing to
> them, more or less.
>
> So to some extent it is a cultural attribute that is on display for all to
> observe.  How one gauges that observation is subject to one's own
> subjective observations.  Clay is also likely somewhat racisss
> but that does not really affect the quality of his subjective anecdotal
> observations in regards to the driving aspect.
>
> Also note that in China the chance of dying in a car crash is something
> like 10% for all drivers.  That is, uh, high.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 9/10/13 10:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Do you mean Asians?
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:39 AM, clay  wrote:
>>
>> I am not impressed with the driving ability of orientals.  I am pretty
>>> sure the ones across the street are PLA spies.  Been there two years and
>>> seem to get new high end cars every six months or so.  First it was VW,
>>> then they moved to Benz, now it is BMW.  I had a good snicker this past
>>> weekend when the fold down hard top was left down overnight while the
>>> massive thunder storm blew through.  The red leather looked very unhappy
>>> with a few inches of water all over it.
>>>
>>> clay
>>>
>>> Who is glad you and the car are both doing well
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 9, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:
>>>
>>> I just about had the old 300D wiped out yesterday.
 My younger son and I were on our way to a big car show that is sponsored

>>> by the Fabulous 50's Ford Club here annually in early September.
>>>
 We were turning left in one of those double left turn setups, if you

>>> understand what I mean.
>>>
 We were southbound on McPhillips Street turning east onto Leila Avenue.

>>> There are 2 dedicated left turn lanes and I was in the outside lane.
>>>
 A fellow of Asian descent was in the other lane in a late model black

>>> SUV. The light turned in our favour and we both moved forward but as he
>>> turned the corner he drifted from the inside lane to the outside lane
>>> where
>>> I was.
>>>
 I don't know how I managed to dodge him and I don't think he even knew I

>>> was there. What a jacka**.
>>>
 My son's comment was, that insurance would likely pay me more than I

>>> might be able to sell the car for.
>>>
 Always a bright side I suppose as long as one does not get injured.

 Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[clay]

I am not impressed with the driving ability of orientals.  I am pretty sure the 
ones across the street are PLA spies.  Been there two years and seem to get new 
high end cars every six months or so.  First it was VW, then they moved to 
Benz, now it is BMW.  I had a good snicker this past weekend when the fold down 
hard top was left down overnight while the massive thunder storm blew through.  
The red leather looked very unhappy with a few inches of water all over it.

clay

Who is glad you and the car are both doing well



On Sep 9, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:

> I just about had the old 300D wiped out yesterday.
> My younger son and I were on our way to a big car show that is sponsored by 
> the Fabulous 50's Ford Club here annually in early September.
> We were turning left in one of those double left turn setups, if you 
> understand what I mean.
> We were southbound on McPhillips Street turning east onto Leila Avenue. There 
> are 2 dedicated left turn lanes and I was in the outside lane.
> A fellow of Asian descent was in the other lane in a late model black SUV. 
> The light turned in our favour and we both moved forward but as he turned the 
> corner he drifted from the inside lane to the outside lane where I was.
> I don't know how I managed to dodge him and I don't think he even knew I was 
> there. What a jacka**.
> 
> My son's comment was, that insurance would likely pay me more than I might be 
> able to sell the car for.
> Always a bright side I suppose as long as one does not get injured.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Gary Hurst]

my experience with insurance is sometimes they pay you too much but often
too little.  better to just avoid crashing!

you have to drive defensively or you will get wrecked.  there are few
incentives in place to correct the behavior of bad, ignorant, indifferent
or negligent drivers.  go 25 over the limit and go to to jail but the law
does not care if you regularly create general mayhem on the roads


On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> I just about had the old 300D wiped out yesterday.
> My younger son and I were on our way to a big car show that is sponsored
> by the Fabulous 50's Ford Club here annually in early September.
> We were turning left in one of those double left turn setups, if you
> understand what I mean.
> We were southbound on McPhillips Street turning east onto Leila Avenue.
> There are 2 dedicated left turn lanes and I was in the outside lane.
> A fellow of Asian descent was in the other lane in a late model black SUV.
> The light turned in our favour and we both moved forward but as he turned
> the corner he drifted from the inside lane to the outside lane where I was.
> I don't know how I managed to dodge him and I don't think he even knew I
> was there. What a jacka**.
>
> My son's comment was, that insurance would likely pay me more than I might
> be able to sell the car for.
> Always a bright side I suppose as long as one does not get injured.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

There are a lot of idiots who do not know how to manage those sorts of turns 

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On Sep 9, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> I just about had the old 300D wiped out yesterday.
> My younger son and I were on our way to a big car show that is sponsored by 
> the Fabulous 50's Ford Club here annually in early September.
> We were turning left in one of those double left turn setups, if you 
> understand what I mean.
> We were southbound on McPhillips Street turning east onto Leila Avenue. There 
> are 2 dedicated left turn lanes and I was in the outside lane.
> A fellow of Asian descent was in the other lane in a late model black SUV. 
> The light turned in our favour and we both moved forward but as he turned the 
> corner he drifted from the inside lane to the outside lane where I was.
> I don't know how I managed to dodge him and I don't think he even knew I was 
> there. What a jacka**.
> 
> My son's comment was, that insurance would likely pay me more than I might be 
> able to sell the car for.
> Always a bright side I suppose as long as one does not get injured.
> 
> Randy
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[MBZ] Bad Drivers

[Randy Bennell]

I just about had the old 300D wiped out yesterday.
My younger son and I were on our way to a big car show that is sponsored 
by the Fabulous 50's Ford Club here annually in early September.
We were turning left in one of those double left turn setups, if you 
understand what I mean.
We were southbound on McPhillips Street turning east onto Leila Avenue. 
There are 2 dedicated left turn lanes and I was in the outside lane.
A fellow of Asian descent was in the other lane in a late model black 
SUV. The light turned in our favour and we both moved forward but as he 
turned the corner he drifted from the inside lane to the outside lane 
where I was.
I don't know how I managed to dodge him and I don't think he even knew I 
was there. What a jacka**.


My son's comment was, that insurance would likely pay me more than I 
might be able to sell the car for.

Always a bright side I suppose as long as one does not get injured.

Randy

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