Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed
Benz Hogs wrote: 700 is a touch bigger in diameter than the old 27. I think Luther got that backwards. Bead seat diameter on 700 is 622mm, 27 uses a 630 rim, to the brake reach is 4mm less on a 27. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed
Oops, right. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (169,xxx mi) On 8/15/2013 5:06 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Benz Hogs wrote: 700 is a touch bigger in diameter than the old 27. I think Luther got that backwards. Bead seat diameter on 700 is 622mm, 27 uses a 630 rim, to the brake reach is 4mm less on a 27. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed
Luther wrote: See this video for an idea of my fall fun :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWxuDZL_420 I didn't see your name at the end credits streaming? You gotta talk to the video editor. Where are the courses? Can we watch you race? Looks like a lot more bike than my Chicago Schwinn. Does Schwinn have equipment in this style? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wanna watch me race? Here's the schedule. http://chicrosscup.com/schedule/ Does Schwinn have CX bikes? Not the drop bar style, just flat-bar-hybrids that use mountain style brakes and can handle wider tires. That'll get you tons of heckle. Probably not as much as my baseball pants, but that's the point of my pants :D Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (169,xxx mi) On 8/15/2013 9:02 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Luther wrote: See this video for an idea of my fall fun :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWxuDZL_420 I didn't see your name at the end credits streaming? You gotta talk to the video editor. Where are the courses? Can we watch you race? Looks like a lot more bike than my Chicago Schwinn. Does Schwinn have equipment in this style? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Eh, your car analogy is orange to my apples. A wheel that needs the equivalent of $5k of work is on the verge of catastrophic failure that you can't ride home on. Spokes are loose and ready to break, your rim has a crack in it, the hub has pitted bearings or blown seals, etc. The way experienced wheel builders explain it, there are 3 kinds of stress on a wheel. Side to side, rotational, and up/down by gravity. If a wheel isn't built to handle all three types, it will fail prematurely. Unless you are a 90lb rider, you will cause at least one of these types of stress. In my case, it happens to be the combination of my 1100W power and 195-200lb rider/bike combined weight that is torture on rear wheels. I'm onto my second rebuild in just over a year, one cracked rim due to a pothole, and a second dented rim to a pothole that also put a dime sized hole in the sidewall of my tire. My next wheelset will be about 2mm wider allowing for more air to protect me and the rim from the bumps on the road. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (169,xxx mi) On 8/13/2013 11:17 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: it's that what might be a problem for a serious cyclist might not be a problem for someone who ride 30 miles a week at 8mph. what might fail for you might be adequate for years for me. it's like my mom's cracked up crappy daewoo. it needs $5k in work and would still be a POS but it gets to the grocery store and back so it's good enough for her purposes On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: So explain your point better :) My point is stress is stress and the quality of the wheel build will show up no mater which type of stress you put on the wheel. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (169,xxx mi) On 8/13/2013 10:22 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: you still miss my point but you know a lot about bicycles so that makes you ok by me:) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i kinda like those 24x3 tires myself, but i understand how you might want to go wider On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Eh, your car analogy is orange to my apples. A wheel that needs the equivalent of $5k of work is on the verge of catastrophic failure that you can't ride home on. Spokes are loose and ready to break, your rim has a crack in it, the hub has pitted bearings or blown seals, etc. The way experienced wheel builders explain it, there are 3 kinds of stress on a wheel. Side to side, rotational, and up/down by gravity. If a wheel isn't built to handle all three types, it will fail prematurely. Unless you are a 90lb rider, you will cause at least one of these types of stress. In my case, it happens to be the combination of my 1100W power and 195-200lb rider/bike combined weight that is torture on rear wheels. I'm onto my second rebuild in just over a year, one cracked rim due to a pothole, and a second dented rim to a pothole that also put a dime sized hole in the sidewall of my tire. My next wheelset will be about 2mm wider allowing for more air to protect me and the rim from the bumps on the road. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (169,xxx mi) On 8/13/2013 11:17 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: it's that what might be a problem for a serious cyclist might not be a problem for someone who ride 30 miles a week at 8mph. what might fail for you might be adequate for years for me. it's like my mom's cracked up crappy daewoo. it needs $5k in work and would still be a POS but it gets to the grocery store and back so it's good enough for her purposes On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: So explain your point better :) My point is stress is stress and the quality of the wheel build will show up no mater which type of stress you put on the wheel. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (169,xxx mi) On 8/13/2013 10:22 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: you still miss my point but you know a lot about bicycles so that makes you ok by me:) __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed
700x25 is the new 23mm tire since research has shown that 25mm tires are just as fast as a 23mm. One of my riding buddies is riding on 28mm tubeless clincher tires and he claims they feel as fast and comfortable as a 25mm tubular. Wheels and tires have come a LONG way in the last 2 years alone Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (169,xxx mi) On 8/14/2013 9:30 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i kinda like those 24x3 tires myself, but i understand how you might want to go wider ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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28 is a huge rim, no? like you can run 2 inch wide tires or even bigger on that On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: 700x25 is the new 23mm tire since research has shown that 25mm tires are just as fast as a 23mm. One of my riding buddies is riding on 28mm tubeless clincher tires and he claims they feel as fast and comfortable as a 25mm tubular. Wheels and tires have come a LONG way in the last 2 years alone Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (169,xxx mi) On 8/14/2013 9:30 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i kinda like those 24x3 tires myself, but i understand how you might want to go wider __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed
You are correct that a 28mm rim is huge, good for a 29er. In my case,28mm is the tire outside width, not the rim width. His rim is 23mm to the outside of the braking surface, same that I'll have next month. So the 700x25 is for the tire, not the rim. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (169,xxx mi) On 8/14/2013 9:37 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: 28 is a huge rim, no? like you can run 2 inch wide tires or even bigger on that On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: 700x25 is the new 23mm tire since research has shown that 25mm tires are just as fast as a 23mm. One of my riding buddies is riding on 28mm tubeless clincher tires and he claims they feel as fast and comfortable as a 25mm tubular. Wheels and tires have come a LONG way in the last 2 years alone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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25 is only like an inch wide then. or i'm missing something. like, ok, the old 10 speed size from teh 70s was 27x1 1/4. how does that translate to your 700x sizes? On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: You are correct that a 28mm rim is huge, good for a 29er. In my case,28mm is the tire outside width, not the rim width. His rim is 23mm to the outside of the braking surface, same that I'll have next month. So the 700x25 is for the tire, not the rim. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (169,xxx mi) On 8/14/2013 9:37 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: 28 is a huge rim, no? like you can run 2 inch wide tires or even bigger on that On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: 700x25 is the new 23mm tire since research has shown that 25mm tires are just as fast as a 23mm. One of my riding buddies is riding on 28mm tubeless clincher tires and he claims they feel as fast and comfortable as a 25mm tubular. Wheels and tires have come a LONG way in the last 2 years alone __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed
700 is a touch bigger in diameter than the old 27. 1-1/4 is about 25% wider than a 25mm tire. The off-road tires I'll be riding for the Cyclocross season this fall are about the same width as the old 1-1/4 except that mine will have MTB stile knobs to help with cornering, sand, and mud. See this video for an idea of my fall fun :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWxuDZL_420 And more than you wanted to know... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPDklqVnKXg And some crashes :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MywySj05yWQ TONS of fun :) Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (169,xxx mi) On 8/14/2013 9:55 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: 25 is only like an inch wide then. or i'm missing something. like, ok, the old 10 speed size from teh 70s was 27x1 1/4. how does that translate to your 700x sizes? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed
Eventually = 500-2000mi, maybe in the first year as the metal ages. Just because you're not a cyclist doesn't mean you're not stressing the spokes. If you weren't stressing the spokes, you could ride a 20 or 24 spoke wheel :) Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 8/12/2013 11:15 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: when is eventually? i have a few hundred miles on this wheel and everything seems in order also, i'm a transportation rider and not a cyclist. i've always been just a transportation rider. my tires are not 1 inch wide, but 2.35. i cannot and would not assume the aerodynamic position, but rather have my front steering bar raised nearly to ape hanger heights. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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you miss my point. cyclists are a whole different breed and often are not relevant to the experience of those who just ride bicycles to get from here to there. if you are talking about something that happens in your 27th 100k if you happen to go over 25mph, it might now apply to me. so far the wheel is fine. the last one lasted 2 years with spokes that caught rot from all the salt water i ride through. if this one lasts 2 or 3 years, i will be very happy On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Eventually = 500-2000mi, maybe in the first year as the metal ages. Just because you're not a cyclist doesn't mean you're not stressing the spokes. If you weren't stressing the spokes, you could ride a 20 or 24 spoke wheel :) Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 8/12/2013 11:15 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: when is eventually? i have a few hundred miles on this wheel and everything seems in order also, i'm a transportation rider and not a cyclist. i've always been just a transportation rider. my tires are not 1 inch wide, but 2.35. i cannot and would not assume the aerodynamic position, but rather have my front steering bar raised nearly to ape hanger heights. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed
I'm trying to say that the wheel is still going to be stressed if you're going 12mph or 45mph like I was this weekend. Whether or not you consider yourself a cyclist doesn't have that much bearing on the stress on the spokes. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (169,xxx mi) On 8/13/2013 10:49 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: you miss my point. cyclists are a whole different breed and often are not relevant to the experience of those who just ride bicycles to get from here to there. if you are talking about something that happens in your 27th 100k if you happen to go over 25mph, it might now apply to me. so far the wheel is fine. the last one lasted 2 years with spokes that caught rot from all the salt water i ride through. if this one lasts 2 or 3 years, i will be very happy On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Eventually = 500-2000mi, maybe in the first year as the metal ages. Just because you're not a cyclist doesn't mean you're not stressing the spokes. If you weren't stressing the spokes, you could ride a 20 or 24 spoke wheel :) Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 8/12/2013 11:15 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: when is eventually? i have a few hundred miles on this wheel and everything seems in order also, i'm a transportation rider and not a cyclist. i've always been just a transportation rider. my tires are not 1 inch wide, but 2.35. i cannot and would not assume the aerodynamic position, but rather have my front steering bar raised nearly to ape hanger heights. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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you still miss my point but you know a lot about bicycles so that makes you ok by me :) On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: I'm trying to say that the wheel is still going to be stressed if you're going 12mph or 45mph like I was this weekend. Whether or not you consider yourself a cyclist doesn't have that much bearing on the stress on the spokes. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (169,xxx mi) On 8/13/2013 10:49 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: you miss my point. cyclists are a whole different breed and often are not relevant to the experience of those who just ride bicycles to get from here to there. if you are talking about something that happens in your 27th 100k if you happen to go over 25mph, it might now apply to me. so far the wheel is fine. the last one lasted 2 years with spokes that caught rot from all the salt water i ride through. if this one lasts 2 or 3 years, i will be very happy On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Eventually = 500-2000mi, maybe in the first year as the metal ages. Just because you're not a cyclist doesn't mean you're not stressing the spokes. If you weren't stressing the spokes, you could ride a 20 or 24 spoke wheel :) Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 8/12/2013 11:15 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: when is eventually? i have a few hundred miles on this wheel and everything seems in order also, i'm a transportation rider and not a cyclist. i've always been just a transportation rider. my tires are not 1 inch wide, but 2.35. i cannot and would not assume the aerodynamic position, but rather have my front steering bar raised nearly to ape hanger heights. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed
So explain your point better :) My point is stress is stress and the quality of the wheel build will show up no mater which type of stress you put on the wheel. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (169,xxx mi) On 8/13/2013 10:22 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: you still miss my point but you know a lot about bicycles so that makes you ok by me:) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed
it's that what might be a problem for a serious cyclist might not be a problem for someone who ride 30 miles a week at 8mph. what might fail for you might be adequate for years for me. it's like my mom's cracked up crappy daewoo. it needs $5k in work and would still be a POS but it gets to the grocery store and back so it's good enough for her purposes On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: So explain your point better :) My point is stress is stress and the quality of the wheel build will show up no mater which type of stress you put on the wheel. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (169,xxx mi) On 8/13/2013 10:22 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: you still miss my point but you know a lot about bicycles so that makes you ok by me:) __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed
If you're not breaking spokes due to power, you'll be ok with the normal gauge as spokes are stressed mostly when you put power into the crank. Weight generally only stresses the rim and hub as the spokes can distribute the weight amongst themselves. Ask your 10 minute wheel builder if he is using stretched spokes. If not, that's a recipe for wheels being out of true later Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 8/10/2013 9:22 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: 14 gauge are standard spokes. i am unconvinced that thicker spokes are better, although worksman uses the very hefty 11 gauge i use an old and legendary local bicycle mechanic, known around town as bicycle bobby. he is the fastest technician i have ever seen in my life. 30 dollars labor to build a wheel but it takes him about 10 minutes. his place uses those swiss stainless spokes (DT?) so i buy them from them at $1 each. normally i will provide my own hub and rim, most because i am very particular as to what i want (particularly with the hubs) and typical bicycle wholesale supplier doesn't get that i want exactly what i want and not what is convenient for him. (for example, on my trek 520 project, i wanted a shimano 126mm drum brake hub. not much chance the guy who supplies you with those crappy cheap tires could even figure out what that is) to my mind, understanding the wire spoke wheel is a sign of something good and i know of only 2, maybe 3, guys in this town who get it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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generally this is the sort of spoke that would be used . have no clue about stretched or not http://www.dtswiss.com/Components/Spokes/DT-competition-sup-®-sup On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:25 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: If you're not breaking spokes due to power, you'll be ok with the normal gauge as spokes are stressed mostly when you put power into the crank. Weight generally only stresses the rim and hub as the spokes can distribute the weight amongst themselves. Ask your 10 minute wheel builder if he is using stretched spokes. If not, that's a recipe for wheels being out of true later Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 8/10/2013 9:22 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: 14 gauge are standard spokes. i am unconvinced that thicker spokes are better, although worksman uses the very hefty 11 gauge i use an old and legendary local bicycle mechanic, known around town as bicycle bobby. he is the fastest technician i have ever seen in my life. 30 dollars labor to build a wheel but it takes him about 10 minutes. his place uses those swiss stainless spokes (DT?) so i buy them from them at $1 each. normally i will provide my own hub and rim, most because i am very particular as to what i want (particularly with the hubs) and typical bicycle wholesale supplier doesn't get that i want exactly what i want and not what is convenient for him. (for example, on my trek 520 project, i wanted a shimano 126mm drum brake hub. not much chance the guy who supplies you with those crappy cheap tires could even figure out what that is) to my mind, understanding the wire spoke wheel is a sign of something good and i know of only 2, maybe 3, guys in this town who get it __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I ride DT, they make very good spokes, as you would expect from the Swiss. I don't believe they come pre-stretched, so they would need to be stretched before building a wheel. If they're not stretched, they will stretch in the wheel and eventually become loose. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 8/12/2013 10:35 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: generally this is the sort of spoke that would be used . have no clue about stretched or not http://www.dtswiss.com/Components/Spokes/DT-competition-sup-®-sup ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed
when is eventually? i have a few hundred miles on this wheel and everything seems in order also, i'm a transportation rider and not a cyclist. i've always been just a transportation rider. my tires are not 1 inch wide, but 2.35. i cannot and would not assume the aerodynamic position, but rather have my front steering bar raised nearly to ape hanger heights. On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: I ride DT, they make very good spokes, as you would expect from the Swiss. I don't believe they come pre-stretched, so they would need to be stretched before building a wheel. If they're not stretched, they will stretch in the wheel and eventually become loose. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 8/12/2013 10:35 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: generally this is the sort of spoke that would be used . have no clue about stretched or not http://www.dtswiss.com/**Components/Spokes/DT-**competition-sup-http://www.dtswiss.com/Components/Spokes/DT-competition-sup- ®-sup __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] bendix 2 speed
Gary watch ebay i drove a columbia bike for about 10 years when i was a kid in the '60's (still have the bike in my father's basement) and although it's robust and reliable, i'm not really a fan of them Whenever you put on the brakes it shifts gears so you have to develop a brake and then another quick shift with your feet to stay in the gear you were in I much prefer the sturmey archer (or shimano) 3 speed hub with external shift the sturmeys are repairable, but the shimanos really are not (you just replace all the internals in them) If you shop for sturmey hubs be sure you don't get one with 40 spokes which were common on english bikes because most wheels are 36 spokes thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE www.ricktheprinter.com www.letterpressmachinery.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed
i always have to have rear wheels built due to my girth. first one i built was a 48 spoke one like tandem wheel, but spaced at 135mm rather than 145. external gears. the second was an ordinary 36 spoke hub but i used 12 gauge spokes instead of 14, with shimano nexus 3 speed hub and and a weinmann rim that the BMX kids seem to like. if that goes really bad, i'll probably just replace it with a worksman steel wheel with the same hub as it's on a cruiser bike anyway the frames are from a trek 930 (lugged steel from wisconsin) and an electra cruiser (tig welded taiwan) i have 2 other frames to build on. one is a trek 520 (also lugged wisconsin) and the other is a china trek navigator. i know what i want to do with the 520, but i'm thinking of building up the navigator as that 2 speed kickback. it probably won't work as there are technical issues with using a coaster brake on a bike with vertical dropouts and not having the chain fall off when braking, but i haven't fully explored the issue. On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote: Gary watch ebay i drove a columbia bike for about 10 years when i was a kid in the '60's (still have the bike in my father's basement) and although it's robust and reliable, i'm not really a fan of them Whenever you put on the brakes it shifts gears so you have to develop a brake and then another quick shift with your feet to stay in the gear you were in I much prefer the sturmey archer (or shimano) 3 speed hub with external shift the sturmeys are repairable, but the shimanos really are not (you just replace all the internals in them) If you shop for sturmey hubs be sure you don't get one with 40 spokes which were common on english bikes because most wheels are 36 spokes thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE www.ricktheprinter.com www.letterpressmachinery.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed
i always have to have rear wheels built due to my girth. first one i built was a 48 spoke one like tandem wheel, but spaced at 135mm rather than 145. external gears. the second was an ordinary 36 spoke hub but i used 12 gauge spokes instead of 14, with shimano nexus 3 speed hub and and a weinmann rim that the BMX kids seem to like The strength in a wheel is from tension in the spokes. Durability comes from having enough stretch in the spokes to reach that tension that they maintain as close to constant tension as possible as the wheel turns 'round, and from proper relief of internal stress in the spokes when building the wheel. Last I knew (a long, long time ago) a lot of bike shop mechanics were in the habit of building wheels without enough spoke tension. The 48 spokes might have been on the right track, if they were thin enough to have some decent stretch in them. 15ga spokes would be more than strong enough for a 48 spoke wheel, probably more than strong enough for a 36 spoke wheel. If you add tension until failure and it's the rim that fails first, there's no reason to go thicker on the spokes. You should check out this book: http://www.amazon.com/The-Bicycle-Wheel-3rd-Edition/dp/0960723668 My former bike club's library has it, my local public library does not. Too bad Jobst hasn't been active on Usenet since his stroke a couple of years ago, or I'd tell you to post a query on rec.bicycles.tech. Mitch. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed
100% correct the old archers are the way to go basically super cheap and east to keep working Sent from my iPhone On Aug 10, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote: Gary watch ebay i drove a columbia bike for about 10 years when i was a kid in the '60's (still have the bike in my father's basement) and although it's robust and reliable, i'm not really a fan of them Whenever you put on the brakes it shifts gears so you have to develop a brake and then another quick shift with your feet to stay in the gear you were in I much prefer the sturmey archer (or shimano) 3 speed hub with external shift the sturmeys are repairable, but the shimanos really are not (you just replace all the internals in them) If you shop for sturmey hubs be sure you don't get one with 40 spokes which were common on english bikes because most wheels are 36 spokes thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE www.ricktheprinter.com www.letterpressmachinery.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed
14 gauge are standard spokes. i am unconvinced that thicker spokes are better, although worksman uses the very hefty 11 gauge i use an old and legendary local bicycle mechanic, known around town as bicycle bobby. he is the fastest technician i have ever seen in my life. 30 dollars labor to build a wheel but it takes him about 10 minutes. his place uses those swiss stainless spokes (DT?) so i buy them from them at $1 each. normally i will provide my own hub and rim, most because i am very particular as to what i want (particularly with the hubs) and typical bicycle wholesale supplier doesn't get that i want exactly what i want and not what is convenient for him. (for example, on my trek 520 project, i wanted a shimano 126mm drum brake hub. not much chance the guy who supplies you with those crappy cheap tires could even figure out what that is) to my mind, understanding the wire spoke wheel is a sign of something good and i know of only 2, maybe 3, guys in this town who get it On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 3:51 PM, m...@voyager.net wrote: i always have to have rear wheels built due to my girth. first one i built was a 48 spoke one like tandem wheel, but spaced at 135mm rather than 145. external gears. the second was an ordinary 36 spoke hub but i used 12 gauge spokes instead of 14, with shimano nexus 3 speed hub and and a weinmann rim that the BMX kids seem to like The strength in a wheel is from tension in the spokes. Durability comes from having enough stretch in the spokes to reach that tension that they maintain as close to constant tension as possible as the wheel turns 'round, and from proper relief of internal stress in the spokes when building the wheel. Last I knew (a long, long time ago) a lot of bike shop mechanics were in the habit of building wheels without enough spoke tension. The 48 spokes might have been on the right track, if they were thin enough to have some decent stretch in them. 15ga spokes would be more than strong enough for a 48 spoke wheel, probably more than strong enough for a 36 spoke wheel. If you add tension until failure and it's the rim that fails first, there's no reason to go thicker on the spokes. You should check out this book: http://www.amazon.com/The-Bicycle-Wheel-3rd-Edition/dp/0960723668 My former bike club's library has it, my local public library does not. Too bad Jobst hasn't been active on Usenet since his stroke a couple of years ago, or I'd tell you to post a query on rec.bicycles.tech. Mitch. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bendix
Yes, but compare the cost/effort vs. getting a rebuilt Bosch starter from Rusty, and I think you'll decide to just replace the whole starter assembly. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of B Dike Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:51 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Bendix Hi All, Can the Bendix be replaced separately on the starter of a W123 300D? Thanks Bruce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/2009100 6/318550b6/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bendix
Bruce, It's doable. The Bendix cost between 25 ~ 35 bucks. You have to have an Impact driver to remove the screws that holds the to the starter housing. After removing the screws RR is easy going. Use Blue Locktite when reassembling and lock down the screws with the impact driver too, if you don't you will be pulling the starter again and tightening the screws again in a month or two BTDT. I've done 2 replacements 3 times if you count the retorque of the screws on the first one. BTW DON'T Loose the Screws or you will be taking a trip to the Local Bosch Rebuilder for replacements. I was lucky when mine backed out. The Indy my buddy works for had a core that we robbed the 2 screws that I lost. Also having a vise to hold the starter while using the impact driver helps bunches. Have Fun Russ W. '83 240D x2 '84 300D New Acquisition Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Yes, but compare the cost/effort vs. getting a rebuilt Bosch starter from Rusty, and I think you'll decide to just replace the whole starter assembly. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of B Dike Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:51 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Bendix Hi All, Can the Bendix be replaced separately on the starter of a W123 300D? Thanks Bruce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/2009100 6/318550b6/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Bendix
Hi All, Can the Bendix be replaced separately on the starter of a W123 300D? Thanks Bruce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091006/318550b6/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
