Re: [MBZ] Brush removal

2020-09-10 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
On Thu, September 10, 2020 4:50 pm, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> I've had the front wheels of the tractor leave the ground before,
> had my foot hovering over the clutch so I could bring it down but things
> got sketchy... -Curt

I had the rear wheels lift on one once, didn't get the very high before I
got it under control, but don't want that to happen again. It gets very
tippy side to side with the rear in the air.

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Re: [MBZ] Brush removal

2020-09-10 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> I've had the front wheels of the tractor leave the ground before, had my foot 
> hovering over the clutch...

This is where the hand clutch of the Moline (for example) is superior.  As you 
fall backwards,
your body motion naturally DIS-engages the clutch.  The usual foot clutch 
EN-gages as you
fall off.  On the Moline, you could even hook a dead man's rope to the clutch 
lever...

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Re: [MBZ] Brush removal

2020-09-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 We had a bunch here in front of the house. I cut 'em off with the chainsaw in 
the fall and ran a 1/2" forstner bit down the center as far as it would go, 
maybe 4-5". In the spring I stuck a shovel under the edge of the stumps and 
they just came apart...
-Curt

On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 7:34:21 AM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 > I never had any luck with those choker things.  Usually they just slid up 
 > skinning the branches.

That's what the marlinspike is for.  "Die, junipers, die!"

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Re: [MBZ] Brush removal

2020-09-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 Safety note:
Remember when pulling with a tractor to hook LOW on the tractor and only to an 
approved pull point. LOTS of farmers have been killed when a tractor pivoted on 
the rear wheels and rolled over. Even with ROPS you're going to get quite a 
knock if it rolls.
This is especially true on dry ground, if the ground is wet the tractor will 
lose traction before it rolls.
I've had the front wheels of the tractor leave the ground before, had my foot 
hovering over the clutch so I could bring it down but things got sketchy...
-Curt

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 4:50:49 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I just use a log chain. It lends itself nicely to any variation of plant
you want to pull... I always take 3 wraps of the chain and make sure the
wraps overlap, then go around the pull chain and back around the loops and
hook the work end into the pull chain.  [hope that gives you a mental
picture]
This forms a choker around the offending plant so the harder you pull...
the tighter it gets...
If you ha*ve a hydraulic lift to give some "Up lift" to the pull... the
roots like to release better, I've found*
*Then, you can use the chain for other work...*

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 1:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It’s a 44 HP sub compact. I have read several reviews talking about it
> breaking. I wonder if I could just get a regular chain and put a ring on
> one end to loop it thru to act as a choke as it’s pulled.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 9, 2020, at 2:56 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > How big is your tractor? Might work for clumpy stuff but I don't know
> about little trees with deeper roots
> >
> > And it's green so it will get lost in the weeds... why not orange or
> yellow?  Sometimes I wonder about these companies
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >> On 9/9/20 3:43 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Need to pull up some small trees and groups of brush. Does this look
> like it would work attached to the tractor? Any other ideas of what to use
> in conjecture with a tractor to remove unwanted shrubs and small trees?
> >>
> >> https://www.amazon.com/Brush-Grubber-BG-19-Heavy-Clump/dp/B002PHVITS
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Brush removal

2020-09-10 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
This, but you need a large diameter rim (remove the tire).  The rim translates 
the pulling force to a lifting force.  The bigger the rim diameter and the 
closer you get it to the stem, the greater the lifting force.  The 'U' profile 
of the rim contains and guides the chain, won't slip off the side of the rim.  
Also very effective for uprooting wooden power and telephone poles, should the 
need arise.

Sep 9, 2020 4:28:59 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes :
>
> Wrap a log chain around the clump at ground level, and around an upright
> Mercedes wheel so that the chain is pulled upwards as the wheel rolls?
>

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] Brush removal

2020-09-10 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> I never had any luck with those choker things.  Usually they just slid up 
> skinning the branches.

That's what the marlinspike is for.  "Die, junipers, die!"

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Brush removal

2020-09-10 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
I never had any luck with those choker things.  Usually they just slid up 
skinning the branches.
You can bend the loader with too much asymmetric load.  Not something you want. 
 A tractor is not a bulldozer.
You can load up the draw bar all you want.  Be more cautious with the 3-point 
but it's cheaper to fix a 3-point than a loader.  If you put a cross bar 
between the 3-point lower arms it makes a decent way to lift and pull.
If you have strong roots nothing beats a ripper.

> -Original Message-
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> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 5:15 PM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brush removal
> 
> I figure maybe I could use the FEL to lift up while pulling back.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Sep 9, 2020, at 3:50 PM, G Mann via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > I just use a log chain. It lends itself nicely to any variation of
> > plant you want to pull... I always take 3 wraps of the chain and make
> > sure the wraps overlap, then go around the pull chain and back around
> > the loops and hook the work end into the pull chain.  [hope that gives
> > you a mental picture] This forms a choker around the offending plant
> > so the harder you pull...
> > the tighter it gets...
> > If you ha*ve a hydraulic lift to give some "Up lift" to the pull...
> > the roots like to release better, I've found* *Then, you can use
> > the chain for other work...*
> >
> >> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 1:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> It’s a 44 HP sub compact. I have read several reviews talking about
> >> it breaking. I wonder if I could just get a regular chain and put a
> >> ring on one end to loop it thru to act as a choke as it’s pulled.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 2:56 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> How big is your tractor? Might work for clumpy stuff but I don't
> >>> know
> >> about little trees with deeper roots
> >>>
> >>> And it's green so it will get lost in the weeds... why not orange or
> >> yellow?  Sometimes I wonder about these companies
> >>>
> >>> --FT
> >>>
> >>>> On 9/9/20 3:43 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>> Need to pull up some small trees and groups of brush. Does this
> >>>> look
> >> like it would work attached to the tractor? Any other ideas of what
> >> to use in conjecture with a tractor to remove unwanted shrubs and small
> trees?
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.amazon.com/Brush-Grubber-BG-19-Heavy-
> Clump/dp/B002PHVIT
> >>>> S
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Re: [MBZ] Brush removal

2020-09-09 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
We had one [marlinspike] on the farm, and now that I look it up it's clearly 
meant for working
on larger-diameter steel logging cable.  All we ever used it for was hammering 
the pokey
end into things, like the ground, and prying.  It was good tool steel, pretty 
tough.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Brush removal

2020-09-09 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>marlinspike

I had to look that one up.


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Re: [MBZ] Brush removal

2020-09-09 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> Wrap a log chain around the clump at ground level, and around an upright
> Mercedes wheel so that the chain is pulled upwards as the wheel rolls?

Hammer a marlinspike behind the clump at a 45 degree angle, get it good and
deep.  Choke both the clump and the spike with the chain, and yank good ahd
hard with your favorite (but sacrificial) pick-em-up.  Goodbye, Junipers!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Brush removal

2020-09-09 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
I figure maybe I could use the FEL to lift up while pulling back. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 9, 2020, at 3:50 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I just use a log chain. It lends itself nicely to any variation of plant
> you want to pull... I always take 3 wraps of the chain and make sure the
> wraps overlap, then go around the pull chain and back around the loops and
> hook the work end into the pull chain.  [hope that gives you a mental
> picture]
> This forms a choker around the offending plant so the harder you pull...
> the tighter it gets...
> If you ha*ve a hydraulic lift to give some "Up lift" to the pull... the
> roots like to release better, I've found*
> *Then, you can use the chain for other work...*
> 
>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 1:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It’s a 44 HP sub compact. I have read several reviews talking about it
>> breaking. I wonder if I could just get a regular chain and put a ring on
>> one end to loop it thru to act as a choke as it’s pulled.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 2:56 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How big is your tractor? Might work for clumpy stuff but I don't know
>> about little trees with deeper roots
>>> 
>>> And it's green so it will get lost in the weeds... why not orange or
>> yellow?  Sometimes I wonder about these companies
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
 On 9/9/20 3:43 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 Need to pull up some small trees and groups of brush. Does this look
>> like it would work attached to the tractor? Any other ideas of what to use
>> in conjecture with a tractor to remove unwanted shrubs and small trees?
 
 https://www.amazon.com/Brush-Grubber-BG-19-Heavy-Clump/dp/B002PHVITS
 
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Re: [MBZ] Brush removal

2020-09-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I learned this one when we bought our first house.

Early 60s red brick ranch home. POs had let the evergreens that surrounded the 
house grow out of control for years, so no amount of trimming would have made 
them viable. I was digging one of them out one day when a coworker came by. He 
was a farm boy by birth and knew how to deal with stuff like this.

“Why are you wasting your time with a shovel, man?”

He gets into the 3/4 ton Chevy 4WD pickup I drove for work, backs it up in 
front of the offending shrubbery, wraps a chain around it and the hitch, drops 
it into low and 4WD and just pops the clutch. Large evergreen popped out of the 
ground, roots and all, like a cork that had been submerged in water.

Nice. An hour later we had the whole front of the house cleared out.

-D

> On Sep 9, 2020, at 4:49 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I just use a log chain. It lends itself nicely to any variation of plant
> you want to pull... I always take 3 wraps of the chain and make sure the
> wraps overlap, then go around the pull chain and back around the loops and
> hook the work end into the pull chain.  [hope that gives you a mental
> picture]
> This forms a choker around the offending plant so the harder you pull...
> the tighter it gets...
> If you ha*ve a hydraulic lift to give some "Up lift" to the pull... the
> roots like to release better, I've found*
> *Then, you can use the chain for other work...*
> 
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 1:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> It’s a 44 HP sub compact. I have read several reviews talking about it
>> breaking. I wonder if I could just get a regular chain and put a ring on
>> one end to loop it thru to act as a choke as it’s pulled.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 2:56 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How big is your tractor? Might work for clumpy stuff but I don't know
>> about little trees with deeper roots
>>> 
>>> And it's green so it will get lost in the weeds... why not orange or
>> yellow?  Sometimes I wonder about these companies
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
 On 9/9/20 3:43 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 Need to pull up some small trees and groups of brush. Does this look
>> like it would work attached to the tractor? Any other ideas of what to use
>> in conjecture with a tractor to remove unwanted shrubs and small trees?
 
 https://www.amazon.com/Brush-Grubber-BG-19-Heavy-Clump/dp/B002PHVITS
 
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Re: [MBZ] Brush removal

2020-09-09 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
I just use a log chain. It lends itself nicely to any variation of plant
you want to pull... I always take 3 wraps of the chain and make sure the
wraps overlap, then go around the pull chain and back around the loops and
hook the work end into the pull chain.  [hope that gives you a mental
picture]
This forms a choker around the offending plant so the harder you pull...
the tighter it gets...
If you ha*ve a hydraulic lift to give some "Up lift" to the pull... the
roots like to release better, I've found*
*Then, you can use the chain for other work...*

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 1:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It’s a 44 HP sub compact. I have read several reviews talking about it
> breaking. I wonder if I could just get a regular chain and put a ring on
> one end to loop it thru to act as a choke as it’s pulled.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 9, 2020, at 2:56 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > How big is your tractor? Might work for clumpy stuff but I don't know
> about little trees with deeper roots
> >
> > And it's green so it will get lost in the weeds... why not orange or
> yellow?  Sometimes I wonder about these companies
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >> On 9/9/20 3:43 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Need to pull up some small trees and groups of brush. Does this look
> like it would work attached to the tractor? Any other ideas of what to use
> in conjecture with a tractor to remove unwanted shrubs and small trees?
> >>
> >> https://www.amazon.com/Brush-Grubber-BG-19-Heavy-Clump/dp/B002PHVITS
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Brush removal

2020-09-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I’ve always used a logging chain. The ML500 made short work out of a couple of 
dense shrubs close to my mailbox that would have been a major pig to dig out. 
Wrap around the shrub, wrap around the hitch on the ML, put it in low and go.

-D

> On Sep 9, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, September 9, 2020 3:43 pm, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Any other ideas of what to use in
>> conjecture with a tractor to remove unwanted shrubs and small trees?
> 
> Wrap a log chain around the clump at ground level, and around an upright
> Mercedes wheel so that the chain is pulled upwards as the wheel rolls?
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Re: [MBZ] Brush removal

2020-09-09 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
On Wed, September 9, 2020 3:43 pm, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Any other ideas of what to use in
> conjecture with a tractor to remove unwanted shrubs and small trees?

Wrap a log chain around the clump at ground level, and around an upright
Mercedes wheel so that the chain is pulled upwards as the wheel rolls?

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Re: [MBZ] Brush removal

2020-09-09 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 15:55:36 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> How big is your tractor? Might work for clumpy stuff but I don't know 
> about little trees with deeper roots

The page says

  * Easily pulls shallow-rooted, small shrubs and clumps up to
18” in diameter from the ground – roots and all to eliminate
re-growth

  * Made of 6’ of no-slip grip links for a strong and secure hold
on shrubs and clumps ...

so it is indeed intended for clumpy stuff.


> And it's green so it will get lost in the weeds... why not orange or 
> yellow?  Sometimes I wonder about these companies

Indeed. When were surveying our 80 acres south of Calhan, Colorado, I was
working with a professional surveyor. He lost a 100' tape measure in the
grass near dusk. When he finally found it, he sprayed it with fluorescent
orange paint.

He had more problems while surveying another property, so he came and
borrowed the rotary lawn mower I had used on the grass at one of the
corners of our place ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Brush removal

2020-09-09 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:

> And it's green so it will get lost in the weeds... why not orange or 
> yellow?  Sometimes I wonder about these companies

Yep I had a pair of green-handled pruners that I set down somewhere near
my feet in an overgrown area. They just vanished and I never found
them. I'd need a metal detector I guess.

All that stuff should be hi-vis orange or something.

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Re: [MBZ] Brush removal

2020-09-09 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
It’s a 44 HP sub compact. I have read several reviews talking about it 
breaking. I wonder if I could just get a regular chain and put a ring on one 
end to loop it thru to act as a choke as it’s pulled. 

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> On Sep 9, 2020, at 2:56 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> How big is your tractor? Might work for clumpy stuff but I don't know about 
> little trees with deeper roots
> 
> And it's green so it will get lost in the weeds... why not orange or yellow?  
> Sometimes I wonder about these companies
> 
> --FT
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>> On 9/9/20 3:43 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Need to pull up some small trees and groups of brush. Does this look like it 
>> would work attached to the tractor? Any other ideas of what to use in 
>> conjecture with a tractor to remove unwanted shrubs and small trees?
>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/Brush-Grubber-BG-19-Heavy-Clump/dp/B002PHVITS
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Brush removal

2020-09-09 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
How big is your tractor? Might work for clumpy stuff but I don't know 
about little trees with deeper roots


And it's green so it will get lost in the weeds... why not orange or 
yellow?  Sometimes I wonder about these companies


--FT

On 9/9/20 3:43 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Need to pull up some small trees and groups of brush. Does this look like it 
would work attached to the tractor? Any other ideas of what to use in 
conjecture with a tractor to remove unwanted shrubs and small trees?

https://www.amazon.com/Brush-Grubber-BG-19-Heavy-Clump/dp/B002PHVITS

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[MBZ] Brush removal

2020-09-09 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Need to pull up some small trees and groups of brush. Does this look like it 
would work attached to the tractor? Any other ideas of what to use in 
conjecture with a tractor to remove unwanted shrubs and small trees?

https://www.amazon.com/Brush-Grubber-BG-19-Heavy-Clump/dp/B002PHVITS

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