Re: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads
Every time I've developed brake pulse problems it came back to a warped rotor. Why would it not be the case on MB car? Thanks in advance. I await your learned advice. Grant... That is probably true in a 0 humidity environment like AZ, but in the north, if the car sits a long time, particularly in the winter/spring, the rotors rust, and they rust differently under the caliper. This causes a pulsing the same as a warped rotor. Unless there is really severe pitting under the caliper, this will often go away with hard braking. I recently had pulsing on a non-MB veeehicle, and in that case, some genius decided to use ball bearings for the front wheel bearings to save a nickle. When one bearing wears out or disintegrates, you get pulsing in the brake. I would guess on an MB that extremely loose wheel bearing could cause the same situation. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads
http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=85 Basically you're trying to get the brakes real hot in a controlled manner as opposed to getting them hot the first time you have to slam the brakes on hard. However this is sometimes hard to, as you need a place where you can speed up and slow down, without other traffic around, spose a big shopping centre car park on a Sunday morning? Hendrik who loves the smell of hot brakes in the morning Allan Streib wrote: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes: Pulsating brakes can be caused by not breaking in the new pads/discs, leaving a hot spot on the discs which wears differently from the rest of the disc. Everything was silky-smooth for a year or so, just the last month or so I've noticed the pulsation. What is the technique for breaking in new pads and discs? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads
Every time I've developed brake pulse problems it came back to a warped rotor. Why would it not be the case on MB car? Thanks in advance. I await your learned advice. Grant... On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote: http://www.tirerack.com/**brakes/tech/techpage.jsp?**techid=85http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=85 Basically you're trying to get the brakes real hot in a controlled manner as opposed to getting them hot the first time you have to slam the brakes on hard. However this is sometimes hard to, as you need a place where you can speed up and slow down, without other traffic around, spose a big shopping centre car park on a Sunday morning? Hendrik who loves the smell of hot brakes in the morning Allan Streib wrote: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes: Pulsating brakes can be caused by not breaking in the new pads/discs, leaving a hot spot on the discs which wears differently from the rest of the disc. Everything was silky-smooth for a year or so, just the last month or so I've noticed the pulsation. What is the technique for breaking in new pads and discs? Allan __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads
Same calipers? I would start to doubt the calipers... -Curt Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 23:46:04 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads Message-ID: m14nv76wab@156-56-179-237.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net writes: I put Akebono pads on the frontof my '91 300D a few thousand miles ago and am continually impressed with the pedal feel and incredible stopping power they have. I don't think they are available for the rear but if they were I'd buy them. I have Akebono pads, installed with new rotors on my 300D less than two years ago and they are pulsating. This will be the second set of rotors gone bad. May try to have them turned if they are not rotted out. I seem to have trouble with rotors rusting... Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads
On Feb 3, 2012, at 10:46 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I have Akebono pads, installed with new rotors on my 300D less than two years ago and they are pulsating. Chinese rotors and/or internally failed brake lines (acting as a one way check valve, causing the brake pads to drag on the rotor, heating it up and warping it). Brake lines that are over 20 years old have probably out lived their service life. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads
Pulsating brakes can be caused by not breaking in the new pads/discs, leaving a hot spot on the discs which wears differently from the rest of the disc. Hendrik who hates working on brakes Rick Knoble wrote: On Feb 3, 2012, at 10:46 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I have Akebono pads, installed with new rotors on my 300D less than two years ago and they are pulsating. Chinese rotors and/or internally failed brake lines (acting as a one way check valve, causing the brake pads to drag on the rotor, heating it up and warping it). Brake lines that are over 20 years old have probably out lived their service life. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads
Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes: Pulsating brakes can be caused by not breaking in the new pads/discs, leaving a hot spot on the discs which wears differently from the rest of the disc. Everything was silky-smooth for a year or so, just the last month or so I've noticed the pulsation. What is the technique for breaking in new pads and discs? Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads
I put Akebono pads on the frontof my '91 300D a few thousand miles ago and am continually impressed with the pedal feel and incredible stopping power they have. I don't think they are available for the rear but if they were I'd buy them. I did not install new rotors but I bought a set of calipers and rotors from a fellow lister who pulled his from his 95 300D and i checked the rotor thickness and they were very close to the original spec. I don't believe new rotors for Akebono's are of a different material - they just want customers starting with fresh rotors, but I may be wrong. At least that's what I think --I plan to install Akebono's on the front of my 911 next -- ;-) LarryT 91 300D On 2/1/2012 7:07 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Well, so far I'm about 50k miles into a set of pads on the 300D and less than half way worn out. However, I'm a pretty pokey driver and usually get lots more miles out of them than most people do. I may try ceramic pads next time I need new rotors, but the car may not last that long (it's up to 360,000 or so now). Peter On Feb 1, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: It is highly recommended that new rotors are fitted with new ceramic pads, the bloke was a bit vague but he said something about the pads transferring some sort of material onto the rotors as they seat themselves. Perhaps the problem is people stick ceramics onto old rotors and then find that the rotors are eaten up but there is still plenty of meat on the pads. I think if you put on new pads and rotors and pads and get 100k kmhs out of them, then you are doing pretty well, however this is variable depending on driving situation, around here life is pretty hard for brakes, lots of short runs in a hilly environment. Whereas lots of highway miles will not eat up brakes. Generally speaking MB rotors will last for about two set of pads but if ceramics work on a 1:1 ration but get a lot more miles and less dust, noise, etc then it is worth it. Hendrik who fixed the wheel bearings and greased the brake pads Curt Raymond wrote: I think the poor rotor life argument either relates back to very early ceramic pads (early anything is usually not the best) or cheap copies of early pads. I've never heard anybody using good pads like Akebonos complain about that. Certainly on my Ranger after 20,000 miles I can't detect any significant wear of the pads or rotors. I used the PBR pads (and rotors maybe? I forget) on my '83 240D when I was trying to keep costs as low as possible. Somebody on here (Jabba maybe?) derided them but they went 25,000 miles with no issues at all. My '84 needs new brakes in the spring and I intend to do Akebonos all the way around and never do brakes on that car again. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads
Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net writes: I put Akebono pads on the frontof my '91 300D a few thousand miles ago and am continually impressed with the pedal feel and incredible stopping power they have. I don't think they are available for the rear but if they were I'd buy them. I have Akebono pads, installed with new rotors on my 300D less than two years ago and they are pulsating. This will be the second set of rotors gone bad. May try to have them turned if they are not rotted out. I seem to have trouble with rotors rusting... Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads
I put Akebono pads on the front of my '91 300D a few thousand miles ago and am continually impressed with the pedal feel and incredible stopping power they have. I don't think they are available for the rear but if they were I'd buy them. I did not install new rotors but I bought a set of calipers and rotors from a fellow lister who pulled his from his 95 300D and i checked the rotor thickness and they were very close to the original spec. I don't believe new rotors for Akebono's are of a different material - they just want customers starting with fresh rotors. At least that's what I think -- LarryT 91 300D On 2/1/2012 7:07 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Well, so far I'm about 50k miles into a set of pads on the 300D and less than half way worn out. However, I'm a pretty pokey driver and usually get lots more miles out of them than most people do. I may try ceramic pads next time I need new rotors, but the car may not last that long (it's up to 360,000 or so now). Peter On Feb 1, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: It is highly recommended that new rotors are fitted with new ceramic pads, the bloke was a bit vague but he said something about the pads transferring some sort of material onto the rotors as they seat themselves. Perhaps the problem is people stick ceramics onto old rotors and then find that the rotors are eaten up but there is still plenty of meat on the pads. I think if you put on new pads and rotors and pads and get 100k kmhs out of them, then you are doing pretty well, however this is variable depending on driving situation, around here life is pretty hard for brakes, lots of short runs in a hilly environment. Whereas lots of highway miles will not eat up brakes. Generally speaking MB rotors will last for about two set of pads but if ceramics work on a 1:1 ration but get a lot more miles and less dust, noise, etc then it is worth it. Hendrik who fixed the wheel bearings and greased the brake pads Curt Raymond wrote: I think the poor rotor life argument either relates back to very early ceramic pads (early anything is usually not the best) or cheap copies of early pads. I've never heard anybody using good pads like Akebonos complain about that. Certainly on my Ranger after 20,000 miles I can't detect any significant wear of the pads or rotors. I used the PBR pads (and rotors maybe? I forget) on my '83 240D when I was trying to keep costs as low as possible. Somebody on here (Jabba maybe?) derided them but they went 25,000 miles with no issues at all. My '84 needs new brakes in the spring and I intend to do Akebonos all the way around and never do brakes on that car again. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads
That's barely broken in for an OM603. Mine was running great at 400k plus. Had factory new compression at 325k miles. On Feb 1, 2012 4:07 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: car may not last that long (it's up to 360,000 or so now). That's promising--my '87 has 230K mi on it, the last 25K or so on its third head. No measurable timing chain stretch, and it doesn't use a drop of oil between changes. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads
Hendrik Fay wrote: I happened to spy a trade mag ad advertising ATE ceramic pads with the usual promise of no dust and longer life. So I asked the fella behind the computer if they make em for my old 124, sure enough front and back, unfortunatley I just replaced mine not long ago so will put up with the black wheels a bit longer. Ceramics aren't the only way to avoid brake dust. And they have other potential problems - like poor rotor life. I have been using PBR Deluxe, which are not factory replacement, and I like their performance and their lack of dust. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads
Pabst Blue Ribbon brakes? Ceramics aren't the only way to avoid brake dust. And they have other potential problems - like poor rotor life. I have been using PBR Deluxe, which are not factory replacement, and I like their performance and their lack of dust. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads
I put Akebonos on my Ranger and they're great. Spendy (well twice what the cheap pads were) but great. A couple weeks ago I was in a shop and chatting with the guy that runs the place. I'd mentioned the Akebonos and he said those were top of the line pads but that any ceramic pads were good pads, even the Raybestos brand. He says they push all customers to ceramics now as they have fewer complaints.I asked if that was a good idea since they last longer and he said that fewer complaints brought in more business than doing more work on each car. I can't argue with that. -Curt Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 14:23:45 +1030 From: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads Message-ID: 4f28b749.3020...@ozemail.com.au Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Just to throw in a bit of MB related stuff, one of my front wheel bearings is on the way out and whilst I was waiting for the old fella in the parts place to shuffle out the back to find some, I happened to spy a trade mag ad advertising ATE ceramic pads with the usual promise of no dust and longer life. So I asked the fella behind the computer if they make em for my old 124, sure enough front and back, unfortunatley I just replaced mine not long ago so will put up with the black wheels a bit longer. Hendrik who is always spying stuff ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads
He's a hipster. --R On 2/1/12 8:55 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Pabst Blue Ribbon brakes? Ceramics aren't the only way to avoid brake dust. And they have other potential problems - like poor rotor life. I have been using PBR Deluxe, which are not factory replacement, and I like their performance and their lack of dust. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads
I think the poor rotor life argument either relates back to very early ceramic pads (early anything is usually not the best) or cheap copies of early pads. I've never heard anybody using good pads like Akebonos complain about that. Certainly on my Ranger after 20,000 miles I can't detect any significant wear of the pads or rotors. I used the PBR pads (and rotors maybe? I forget) on my '83 240D when I was trying to keep costs as low as possible. Somebody on here (Jabba maybe?) derided them but they went 25,000 miles with no issues at all. My '84 needs new brakes in the spring and I intend to do Akebonos all the way around and never do brakes on that car again. -Curt Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 02:29:39 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads Message-ID: 20120201022939.8e225923.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hendrik Fay wrote: I happened to spy a trade mag ad advertising ATE ceramic pads with the usual promise of no dust and longer life. So I asked the fella behind the computer if they make em for my old 124, sure enough front and back, unfortunatley I just replaced mine not long ago so will put up with the black wheels a bit longer. Ceramics aren't the only way to avoid brake dust. And they have other potential problems - like poor rotor life. I have been using PBR Deluxe, which are not factory replacement, and I like their performance and their lack of dust. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads
It is highly recommended that new rotors are fitted with new ceramic pads, the bloke was a bit vague but he said something about the pads transferring some sort of material onto the rotors as they seat themselves. Perhaps the problem is people stick ceramics onto old rotors and then find that the rotors are eaten up but there is still plenty of meat on the pads. I think if you put on new pads and rotors and pads and get 100k kmhs out of them, then you are doing pretty well, however this is variable depending on driving situation, around here life is pretty hard for brakes, lots of short runs in a hilly environment. Whereas lots of highway miles will not eat up brakes. Generally speaking MB rotors will last for about two set of pads but if ceramics work on a 1:1 ration but get a lot more miles and less dust, noise, etc then it is worth it. Hendrik who fixed the wheel bearings and greased the brake pads Curt Raymond wrote: I think the poor rotor life argument either relates back to very early ceramic pads (early anything is usually not the best) or cheap copies of early pads. I've never heard anybody using good pads like Akebonos complain about that. Certainly on my Ranger after 20,000 miles I can't detect any significant wear of the pads or rotors. I used the PBR pads (and rotors maybe? I forget) on my '83 240D when I was trying to keep costs as low as possible. Somebody on here (Jabba maybe?) derided them but they went 25,000 miles with no issues at all. My '84 needs new brakes in the spring and I intend to do Akebonos all the way around and never do brakes on that car again. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads
Well, so far I'm about 50k miles into a set of pads on the 300D and less than half way worn out. However, I'm a pretty pokey driver and usually get lots more miles out of them than most people do. I may try ceramic pads next time I need new rotors, but the car may not last that long (it's up to 360,000 or so now). Peter On Feb 1, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: It is highly recommended that new rotors are fitted with new ceramic pads, the bloke was a bit vague but he said something about the pads transferring some sort of material onto the rotors as they seat themselves. Perhaps the problem is people stick ceramics onto old rotors and then find that the rotors are eaten up but there is still plenty of meat on the pads. I think if you put on new pads and rotors and pads and get 100k kmhs out of them, then you are doing pretty well, however this is variable depending on driving situation, around here life is pretty hard for brakes, lots of short runs in a hilly environment. Whereas lots of highway miles will not eat up brakes. Generally speaking MB rotors will last for about two set of pads but if ceramics work on a 1:1 ration but get a lot more miles and less dust, noise, etc then it is worth it. Hendrik who fixed the wheel bearings and greased the brake pads Curt Raymond wrote: I think the poor rotor life argument either relates back to very early ceramic pads (early anything is usually not the best) or cheap copies of early pads. I've never heard anybody using good pads like Akebonos complain about that. Certainly on my Ranger after 20,000 miles I can't detect any significant wear of the pads or rotors. I used the PBR pads (and rotors maybe? I forget) on my '83 240D when I was trying to keep costs as low as possible. Somebody on here (Jabba maybe?) derided them but they went 25,000 miles with no issues at all. My '84 needs new brakes in the spring and I intend to do Akebonos all the way around and never do brakes on that car again. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads
On Feb 1, 2012 4:07 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: car may not last that long (it's up to 360,000 or so now). That's promising--my '87 has 230K mi on it, the last 25K or so on its third head. No measurable timing chain stretch, and it doesn't use a drop of oil between changes. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads
I think the manner in which you utilize the brake pedal has something to do with brake life too. The brakes in my car last a looong time. I never did brakes on my '85 190D and I drove that car 90,000 miles, who knows when the PO had last done brakes. But I drive mostly on the highway and I use the brakes and get my foot off them. My wife is hard on brakes, her vehicles need brakes every 2 or 3 years but she drives mostly in town and occasionally when she's driving I'll say Why is your foot on the brake? And she'll reply I dunno I think sometimes she uses the brakes just for something to do. -Curt Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 10:27:36 +1030 From: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads Message-ID: 4f29d170.7040...@ozemail.com.au Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed It is highly recommended that new rotors are fitted with new ceramic pads, the bloke was a bit vague but he said something about the pads transferring some sort of material onto the rotors as they seat themselves. Perhaps the problem is people stick ceramics onto old rotors and then find that the rotors are eaten up but there is still plenty of meat on the pads. I think if you put on new pads and rotors and pads and get 100k kmhs out of them, then you are doing pretty well, however this is variable depending on driving situation, around here life is pretty hard for brakes, lots of short runs in a hilly environment. Whereas lots of highway miles will not eat up brakes. Generally speaking MB rotors will last for about two set of pads but if ceramics work on a 1:1 ration but get a lot more miles and less dust, noise, etc then it is worth it. Hendrik who fixed the wheel bearings and greased the brake pads ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ceramic ATE brake pads
Just to throw in a bit of MB related stuff, one of my front wheel bearings is on the way out and whilst I was waiting for the old fella in the parts place to shuffle out the back to find some, I happened to spy a trade mag ad advertising ATE ceramic pads with the usual promise of no dust and longer life. So I asked the fella behind the computer if they make em for my old 124, sure enough front and back, unfortunatley I just replaced mine not long ago so will put up with the black wheels a bit longer. Hendrik who is always spying stuff ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
