Re: [MBZ] Contact Cleaner

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>1) Make sure the unit is unpowered.   Don't ask me how I know this.
>2) Spray contact cleaner on contacts while working them.

Yeah. It took a couple of weeks for my eyebrows to grow back after cleaning 
some powered contacts several decades ago.

Lesson learned.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Contact Cleaner

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

You need a Dim Bulb Tester for this -- put a incandescent light bulb in series 
with the hot side of the power plug.  Unlike a Variac (which reduces the 
voltage) the light bulb will limit the current, allowing you to troubleshoot 
without frying anything.

The lamp should go bright as the filter capacitors charge, then go fairly to 
very dim with no inputs and the volume all the way down.  if it stays bright or 
only slightly dims, you have a short somewhere.

Electrolytic capacitors have a defined life, and a Philco console is what, 55 
or so years old now, or older?  All the electrolytic caps need to be replaced 
-- as they dry out they become resistors (or worse, shorts) and not only do not 
do what they are supposed to but can actually cause current drains or damage 
transistors.

I just revived my 1980 Kenwood KA-80 this year, at long last, had several blown 
zener diodes and a shorted Darlington Power Pak output module.  Couple of the 
transistors driving the output module were bad too, and I still have issues 
with the phono pre-amp I will need an oscilloscope figure out.

If you don't have good electronics skills, best to have a professional work on 
it.  A lot of those transistors (especially germanium ones) are no longer 
around, even on eBay and the dark recesses of old parts supply places.  It 
would be a shame to fry something by accident that's unobtanium, rendering the 
console useless.
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Re: [MBZ] Contact Cleaner

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Well this old girl came right to life, 35 or 40 years of dust cooking off, 
tubes glowing familiarly, warmly. It sounds pretty damn good. I just think it’s 
odd that when i enter the model number into the Google machine nothing comes 
up. 

Bob R

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> On Oct 12, 2020, at 6:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It's usually the old, dried up electrolytic capacitors, and they are easy
> to see - the bottom is usually pushed out. IIRC, you have replaced those in
> MB boards - the big old console will be easier to work on.
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:03 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I need to find some vintage radio repair guy I guess, not something I’m
>> going to tackle.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Oct 12, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 
 [I] do not know anything about replacing transistors
>>> 
>>> It has to be done carefully, else your replacements pop just like the
>> originals did.
>>> Bringing them up slowly on a Variac and probing carefully around the
>> circuitry to
>>> keep an eye on things along the way is often a very good thing.  Check
>> the capacitors
>>> first, it's likely that some other circuit component failed first and
>> the rest all went in
>>> a cascade.
>>> 
> i suppose contact cleaner is in order?
>>> 
>>> Yes.  I swear by Caig De-Ox-It.
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Contact Cleaner

[OK Don via Mercedes]

It's usually the old, dried up electrolytic capacitors, and they are easy
to see - the bottom is usually pushed out. IIRC, you have replaced those in
MB boards - the big old console will be easier to work on.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:03 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I need to find some vintage radio repair guy I guess, not something I’m
> going to tackle.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 12, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> >
> > 
> >>
> >> [I] do not know anything about replacing transistors
> >
> > It has to be done carefully, else your replacements pop just like the
> originals did.
> > Bringing them up slowly on a Variac and probing carefully around the
> circuitry to
> > keep an eye on things along the way is often a very good thing.  Check
> the capacitors
> > first, it's likely that some other circuit component failed first and
> the rest all went in
> > a cascade.
> >
> >>> i suppose contact cleaner is in order?
> >
> > Yes.  I swear by Caig De-Ox-It.
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Contact Cleaner

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I need to find some vintage radio repair guy I guess, not something I’m going 
to tackle. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 12, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> [I] do not know anything about replacing transistors
> 
> It has to be done carefully, else your replacements pop just like the 
> originals did.
> Bringing them up slowly on a Variac and probing carefully around the 
> circuitry to
> keep an eye on things along the way is often a very good thing.  Check the 
> capacitors
> first, it's likely that some other circuit component failed first and the 
> rest all went in
> a cascade.
> 
>>> i suppose contact cleaner is in order?
> 
> Yes.  I swear by Caig De-Ox-It.
> 
> -- Jim
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Contact Cleaner

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> [I] do not know anything about replacing transistors

It has to be done carefully, else your replacements pop just like the originals 
did.
Bringing them up slowly on a Variac and probing carefully around the circuitry 
to
keep an eye on things along the way is often a very good thing.  Check the 
capacitors
first, it's likely that some other circuit component failed first and the rest 
all went in
a cascade.

>> i suppose contact cleaner is in order?

Yes.  I swear by Caig De-Ox-It.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Contact Cleaner

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I am also somewhat into old console stereos. I have one I bought at a thrift 
store we i was about 14. It is a fancy maganvox and as far as I know still 
works. Have not fired it up in many years. I also have my grandmothers RCA from 
about 1968 that I used to listen to when I was at her house. I was playing it 
one time back in about 1991 when it made a loud popping sound and no longer 
worked after that. She had it checked out and it needed some transistors 
replaced I believe. She didn’t want to spend the money on it so it’s not been 
used since. I would really like to get it fixed but do not know anything about 
replacing transistors and not sure where to find anybody to work on it. 

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> wrote:
> 
> On my truck swap trip with my pops, we picked up a few things languishing in 
> Illinois that we’ve wanted in AZ for quite awhile. One thing in particular is 
> my wife’s grandmother’s  console stereo. 
> It’s a Philco. I’m having trouble finding info on it. It hasn’t been 
> energized in probably 40 years, but it works well. All i’ve done so far is 
> take the back off, vacuumed the schmutz out, took some canned air to it. 
> The tuning for the FM is a little staticky so i suppose contact cleaner is in 
> order? 
> Do i just unplug it, spray as many contacts as i see, let it dry overnight 
> and try again tomorrow? 
> I’m going to get a new needle/cartridge, even though Queen News of The World 
> sounded just fine. Good source? 
> Oh, my new 2005 Dodge 2500 SLT 4x4 Cummins 5.9 ram like a scalded dog...after 
> I got after it in the mountains...Eye-talian tuneups galore. 24mpg , took it 
> up over Wolf Creek pass, didn’t miss a beat. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Contact Cleaner

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

1) Make sure the unit is unpowered.   Don't ask me how I know this.
2) Spray contact cleaner on contacts while working them.
3) Dry with canned air.
4) Plug in and enjoy improved sound!

-MMM-

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> On my truck swap trip with my pops, we picked up a few things languishing
> in Illinois that we’ve wanted in AZ for quite awhile. One thing in
> particular is my wife’s grandmother’s  console stereo.
> It’s a Philco. I’m having trouble finding info on it. It hasn’t been
> energized in probably 40 years, but it works well. All i’ve done so far is
> take the back off, vacuumed the schmutz out, took some canned air to it.
> The tuning for the FM is a little staticky so i suppose contact cleaner is
> in order?
> Do i just unplug it, spray as many contacts as i see, let it dry overnight
> and try again tomorrow?
> I’m going to get a new needle/cartridge, even though Queen News of The
> World sounded just fine. Good source?
> Oh, my new 2005 Dodge 2500 SLT 4x4 Cummins 5.9 ram like a scalded
> dog...after I got after it in the mountains...Eye-talian tuneups galore.
> 24mpg , took it up over Wolf Creek pass, didn’t miss a beat.
>
> Bob R
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[MBZ] Contact Cleaner

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

On my truck swap trip with my pops, we picked up a few things languishing in 
Illinois that we’ve wanted in AZ for quite awhile. One thing in particular is 
my wife’s grandmother’s  console stereo. 
It’s a Philco. I’m having trouble finding info on it. It hasn’t been energized 
in probably 40 years, but it works well. All i’ve done so far is take the back 
off, vacuumed the schmutz out, took some canned air to it. 
The tuning for the FM is a little staticky so i suppose contact cleaner is in 
order? 
Do i just unplug it, spray as many contacts as i see, let it dry overnight and 
try again tomorrow? 
I’m going to get a new needle/cartridge, even though Queen News of The World 
sounded just fine. Good source? 
Oh, my new 2005 Dodge 2500 SLT 4x4 Cummins 5.9 ram like a scalded dog...after I 
got after it in the mountains...Eye-talian tuneups galore. 24mpg , took it up 
over Wolf Creek pass, didn’t miss a beat. 

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] Contact cleaner

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Dan, you almost managed to write Amazon directly above where I wrote Amazon.
Keep trying, you'll get it there. ;)
-Curt

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Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com>
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Contact cleaner
   
You can probably find it on Amazon, too.  Great stuff, I wouldn’t use anything 
else.  Not cheap, but unless you’re really sloppy, a can will last a long time. 
 The one I have is at least 4-5 years old.

Dan


> On Feb 7, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> There is only one choice in contact cleaners, de-oxit. If you've still got a 
> Radio Schmuck they've got a small overpriced can. Amazon can hook you up 
> otherwise.
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> From:"Curly McLain via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Date:Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 10:33 AM
> Subject:[MBZ] Contact cleaner
> 
> Which is the contact cleaner best for the TS stalk?  Where is the 
> best place to buy it?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Contact cleaner

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Guess I missed that one. Sorry!

I also have a spray can of their sliding rheostat cleaner. Good stuff for 
cleaning out the sliders on sound boards, equalizers, etc.

Dan

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> On Feb 8, 2016, at 10:18 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan, you almost managed to write Amazon directly above where I wrote Amazon.
> Keep trying, you'll get it there. ;)
> -Curt

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[MBZ] Contact cleaner

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Which is the contact cleaner best for the TS stalk?  Where is the 
best place to buy it?


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Re: [MBZ] Contact cleaner

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

There is only one choice in contact cleaners, de-oxit. If you've still got a 
Radio Schmuck they've got a small overpriced can. Amazon can hook you up 
otherwise.


Curt

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Date:Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 10:33 AM
Subject:[MBZ] Contact cleaner

Which is the contact cleaner best for the TS stalk?  Where is the 
best place to buy it?



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Re: [MBZ] Contact cleaner

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You can probably find it on Amazon, too.  Great stuff, I wouldn’t use anything 
else.  Not cheap, but unless you’re really sloppy, a can will last a long time. 
 The one I have is at least 4-5 years old.

Dan


> On Feb 7, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> There is only one choice in contact cleaners, de-oxit. If you've still got a 
> Radio Schmuck they've got a small overpriced can. Amazon can hook you up 
> otherwise.
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> From:"Curly McLain via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Date:Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 10:33 AM
> Subject:[MBZ] Contact cleaner
> 
> Which is the contact cleaner best for the TS stalk?  Where is the 
> best place to buy it?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Contact cleaner

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curly wrote:
> 
> Which is the contact cleaner best for the TS stalk?

Well, a Top Secret stalk needs a top secret cleaner.

I suppose you probably mean turn signal...

DeOxit is the _the_ stuff.  Available in pen dropper, brush,
spray, and probably gallon jugs.

>  Where is the best place to buy it?

Caig Chemicals makes it.

Amazon sells it.

It comes in lots of different containers.  This is a glass bottle with a brush.
http://www.amazon.com/Booster-Electric-Connection-Enhancer-Lubricant/dp/B0002BBVN2/

Or a small squeeze tube
http://www.amazon.com/DeoxITLiquid-squeeze-tube-100%25-solution/dp/B0015A5AAY

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Re: [MBZ] Contact cleaner

[G Mann via Mercedes]

www.caig.com

Right off the can, I bought mine directly from the company. Still not
cheap, but no middle man markup. They shipped same day, I had two cans in
hand in 3 days via USPS.

Get some, you'll be glad you did. Nothing else works as well. As I recall,
two cans cost me $26.00 and change with shipping.
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> You can probably find it on Amazon, too.  Great stuff, I wouldn’t use
> anything else.  Not cheap, but unless you’re really sloppy, a can will last
> a long time.  The one I have is at least 4-5 years old.
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Feb 7, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > There is only one choice in contact cleaners, de-oxit. If you've still
> got a Radio Schmuck they've got a small overpriced can. Amazon can hook you
> up otherwise.
> >
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> > From:"Curly McLain via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Date:Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 10:33 AM
> > Subject:[MBZ] Contact cleaner
> >
> > Which is the contact cleaner best for the TS stalk?  Where is the
> > best place to buy it?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Contact cleaner

[OK Don via Mercedes]

+1  another happy user of De-Oxit

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 2:44 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > Curly wrote:
> >
> > Which is the contact cleaner best for the TS stalk?
>
> Well, a Top Secret stalk needs a top secret cleaner.
>
> I suppose you probably mean turn signal...
>
> DeOxit is the _the_ stuff.  Available in pen dropper, brush,
> spray, and probably gallon jugs.
>
> >  Where is the best place to buy it?
>
> Caig Chemicals makes it.
>
> Amazon sells it.
>
> It comes in lots of different containers.  This is a glass bottle with a
> brush.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Booster-Electric-Connection-Enhancer-Lubricant/dp/B0002BBVN2/
>
> Or a small squeeze tube
>
> http://www.amazon.com/DeoxITLiquid-squeeze-tube-100%25-solution/dp/B0015A5AAY
>
>
>


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