Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

2007-09-07 Thread mykd1
The hemi Cuda was much more aerodynamic than the Charger, which was more like a 
brick in wheels


Harry
69 280 SEL 
72 350SL ?
04 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata ? 


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Sent: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 10:11 am
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)



I've done 140 in a '70 hemi Cuda convertible, whoa Nellie! That was a ride.


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Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)


 Now thats more realistic. I remember my 68 RT Charger with a 383 and 430hp 
 struggled to do 140


 Harry
 69 280 SEL
 72 350SL ?
 04 VW Passat 4 Motion
 1999 Mazda Miata ?


 -Original Message-
 From: Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 9:53 am
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)



 My '68 topped out at 130mph. I did it one night racing a 72 Corvette on GA
 400 before it opened in 1973.


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 Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)


 You must be kidding, even with 360hp the 68 GTO could never go that fast.
 It was a pretty quick car, but technically you take into consideration
 wind drag, weight and actual gearing of the car and you have a brick on
 wheels.


 Harry
 69 280 SEL
 72 350SL ?
 04 VW Passat 4 Motion
 1999 Mazda Miata ?




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 - Original Message - 
 From: Robert  Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 8:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta


 Not a bad looking car, but that silly little story  included from the
 star is pure fiction. Anyone who's ever owned a '68 GTO ( present
 company included ) knows that 120 is just a nice mild cruising speed,
 those beasts don't even start breathing hard till around 180...that's
 when it's time to use the last third of the gas pedal travel. We used to
 have a lot of fun with that car out on a dry lake. 220mph+ is an
 interesting feeling :-)
 If they passed a GTO at 120 it's because the guy in the goat didn't
 care, not because the 6.9 is some super car.
 I wonder why he included that little snippet in his ad? I guess it
 didn't help him sell the thing.

 -Robert






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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

2007-09-07 Thread mykd1
I remember one that CarDriver did a few years ago where they sponsored Gale 
Banks to make a Firebird do 200. It took lots of tweaking with a twin turbo V8 
just to do 190. I seem to remember that engine made somewhere around 800hp


Harry
69 280 SEL 
72 350SL ?
04 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata ? 


-Original Message-
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Sent: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 2:52 pm
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)



I have a vague recollection that one of the car mags - HotRod or Car Craft type 
publication - got a newer Firebird
to around 200 mph but it took a whole lot of messaging and effort. It is not as 
easy as it might appear.

Isn't there some sort of on road race accross the dessert in Nevada - legal or 
otherwise - where folks just drive
flat out. I think that is what the magazine was participating in.

Randy

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)


Now thats more realistic. I remember my 68 RT Charger with a 383 and 430hp 
struggled to do 140


Harry
69 280 SEL
72 350SL ?
04 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata ?


-Original Message-
From: Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 9:53 am
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)



My '68 topped out at 130mph. I did it one night racing a 72 Corvette on GA
400 before it opened in 1973.


Rusty Cullens
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Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)


 You must be kidding, even with 360hp the 68 GTO could never go that fast.
 It was a pretty quick car, but technically you take into consideration
 wind drag, weight and actual gearing of the car and you have a brick on
 wheels.


 Harry
 69 280 SEL
 72 350SL ?
 04 VW Passat 4 Motion
 1999 Mazda Miata ?




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 - Original Message -
 From: Robert  Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 8:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta


 Not a bad looking car, but that silly little story  included from the
 star is pure fiction. Anyone who's ever owned a '68 GTO ( present
 company included ) knows that 120 is just a nice mild cruising speed,
 those beasts don't even start breathing hard till around 180...that's
 when it's time to use the last third of the gas pedal travel. We used to
 have a lot of fun with that car out on a dry lake. 220mph+ is an
 interesting feeling :-)
 If they passed a GTO at 120 it's because the guy in the goat didn't
 care, not because the 6.9 is some super car.
 I wonder why he included that little snippet in his ad? I guess it
 didn't help him sell the thing.

 -Robert






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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

2007-09-05 Thread mykd1
You must be kidding, even with 360hp the 68 GTO could never go that fast. It 
was a pretty quick car, but technically you take into consideration wind drag, 
weight and actual gearing of the car and you have a brick on wheels. 


Harry
69 280 SEL 
72 350SL ?
04 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata ? 




Rusty Cullens
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- Original Message - 
From: Robert  Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta


 Not a bad looking car, but that silly little story  included from the
 star is pure fiction. Anyone who's ever owned a '68 GTO ( present
 company included ) knows that 120 is just a nice mild cruising speed,
 those beasts don't even start breathing hard till around 180...that's
 when it's time to use the last third of the gas pedal travel. We used to
 have a lot of fun with that car out on a dry lake. 220mph+ is an
 interesting feeling :-)
 If they passed a GTO at 120 it's because the guy in the goat didn't
 care, not because the 6.9 is some super car.
 I wonder why he included that little snippet in his ad? I guess it
 didn't help him sell the thing.

 -Robert

 




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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

2007-09-05 Thread Rusty Cullens
My '68 topped out at 130mph. I did it one night racing a 72 Corvette on GA 
400 before it opened in 1973.


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Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)


 You must be kidding, even with 360hp the 68 GTO could never go that fast. 
 It was a pretty quick car, but technically you take into consideration 
 wind drag, weight and actual gearing of the car and you have a brick on 
 wheels.


 Harry
 69 280 SEL
 72 350SL ?
 04 VW Passat 4 Motion
 1999 Mazda Miata ?




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 - Original Message - 
 From: Robert  Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 8:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta


 Not a bad looking car, but that silly little story  included from the
 star is pure fiction. Anyone who's ever owned a '68 GTO ( present
 company included ) knows that 120 is just a nice mild cruising speed,
 those beasts don't even start breathing hard till around 180...that's
 when it's time to use the last third of the gas pedal travel. We used to
 have a lot of fun with that car out on a dry lake. 220mph+ is an
 interesting feeling :-)
 If they passed a GTO at 120 it's because the guy in the goat didn't
 care, not because the 6.9 is some super car.
 I wonder why he included that little snippet in his ad? I guess it
 didn't help him sell the thing.

 -Robert






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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

2007-09-05 Thread Mitch Haley


Rusty Cullens wrote:
 
 My '68 topped out at 130mph. I did it one night racing a 72 Corvette on GA
 400 before it opened in 1973.

Power or gearing limited?

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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

2007-09-05 Thread mykd1
Now thats more realistic. I remember my 68 RT Charger with a 383 and 430hp 
struggled to do 140


Harry
69 280 SEL 
72 350SL ?
04 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata ? 


-Original Message-
From: Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 9:53 am
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)



My '68 topped out at 130mph. I did it one night racing a 72 Corvette on GA 
400 before it opened in 1973.


Rusty Cullens
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- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)


 You must be kidding, even with 360hp the 68 GTO could never go that fast. 
 It was a pretty quick car, but technically you take into consideration 
 wind drag, weight and actual gearing of the car and you have a brick on 
 wheels.


 Harry
 69 280 SEL
 72 350SL ?
 04 VW Passat 4 Motion
 1999 Mazda Miata ?




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 - Original Message - 
 From: Robert  Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 8:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta


 Not a bad looking car, but that silly little story  included from the
 star is pure fiction. Anyone who's ever owned a '68 GTO ( present
 company included ) knows that 120 is just a nice mild cruising speed,
 those beasts don't even start breathing hard till around 180...that's
 when it's time to use the last third of the gas pedal travel. We used to
 have a lot of fun with that car out on a dry lake. 220mph+ is an
 interesting feeling :-)
 If they passed a GTO at 120 it's because the guy in the goat didn't
 care, not because the 6.9 is some super car.
 I wonder why he included that little snippet in his ad? I guess it
 didn't help him sell the thing.

 -Robert






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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

2007-09-05 Thread mykd1
I would have to say both, but considering there was only two gear ratios 
offered for the GTO that year and the 360hp smallblock 400 was the biggest 
engine available


Harry
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72 350SL ?
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1999 Mazda Miata ? 


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Rusty Cullens wrote:
 
 My '68 topped out at 130mph. I did it one night racing a 72 Corvette on GA
 400 before it opened in 1973.

Power or gearing limited?

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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

2007-09-05 Thread Rusty Cullens
I've done 140 in a '70 hemi Cuda convertible, whoa Nellie! That was a ride.


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Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)


 Now thats more realistic. I remember my 68 RT Charger with a 383 and 430hp 
 struggled to do 140


 Harry
 69 280 SEL
 72 350SL ?
 04 VW Passat 4 Motion
 1999 Mazda Miata ?


 -Original Message-
 From: Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 9:53 am
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)



 My '68 topped out at 130mph. I did it one night racing a 72 Corvette on GA
 400 before it opened in 1973.


 Rusty Cullens
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 - Original Message - 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)


 You must be kidding, even with 360hp the 68 GTO could never go that fast.
 It was a pretty quick car, but technically you take into consideration
 wind drag, weight and actual gearing of the car and you have a brick on
 wheels.


 Harry
 69 280 SEL
 72 350SL ?
 04 VW Passat 4 Motion
 1999 Mazda Miata ?




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 - Original Message - 
 From: Robert  Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 8:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta


 Not a bad looking car, but that silly little story  included from the
 star is pure fiction. Anyone who's ever owned a '68 GTO ( present
 company included ) knows that 120 is just a nice mild cruising speed,
 those beasts don't even start breathing hard till around 180...that's
 when it's time to use the last third of the gas pedal travel. We used to
 have a lot of fun with that car out on a dry lake. 220mph+ is an
 interesting feeling :-)
 If they passed a GTO at 120 it's because the guy in the goat didn't
 care, not because the 6.9 is some super car.
 I wonder why he included that little snippet in his ad? I guess it
 didn't help him sell the thing.

 -Robert






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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

2007-09-05 Thread Rusty Cullens
Probably both, it just gave out and was sputtering. But strong until then.


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 Rusty Cullens wrote:

 My '68 topped out at 130mph. I did it one night racing a 72 Corvette on 
 GA
 400 before it opened in 1973.

 Power or gearing limited?

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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

2007-09-05 Thread Rick Knoble
 I've done 140 in a '70 hemi Cuda convertible, whoa Nellie! That was a ride.
 


I'll say. That is one of the rarest of all muscle cars.One of 14 built.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=121798

A rare (only 14 produced) 1970 Hemicuda convertible sold for US$2.16 million 
at the Barrett-Jackson Collector Car Scottsdale Auction in 2006. From wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Barracuda

http://www.legendarymotorcar.com/work_in_progress/in_progress/70%20Hemi%20cuda%20conv.html

Rick Knoble 
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT



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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

2007-09-05 Thread Frederick Moir
Hi, All.
Gas, Tyres and Oil, Oh My!. In '78 mine would do 105 with a tailwind and 
downhill, however it got to 105 with great force. It was a 67 conv. that had 
been setup as a quarter mile bandit at the local speedway. HO 400 from the 
factory, His and Hurst (MB content?) shifter, engine was dead, rebuilt it, and 
it  was a guess as to whether it would start or set the carb. on fire! Shortly 
after I got it my lawyer asked me when I was getting divorced? He knew more 
than I thought!
When I wore a younger mans clothes
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
85 300TD
87 190DT Bent
1989 260E Under the knife

Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Rusty Cullens wrote:
 
 My '68 topped out at 130mph. I did it one night racing a 72 Corvette on GA
 400 before it opened in 1973.

Power or gearing limited?

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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

2007-09-05 Thread Redghost
There was a hemi cuda that sold here at auction a few years ago.  Did  
not get above $800k and was in fine shape for my eyes.  Plain old  
Murphy auction vehicle sale.  Three yard guys were parked in the  
building with two other cars to baby sit it while the rabble wandered  
about the place.  I think a Ferrari was also on the block that day

clay


On 5 Sep 2007, at 08:45, Rick Knoble wrote:

 I've done 140 in a '70 hemi Cuda convertible, whoa Nellie! That  
 was a ride.



 I'll say. That is one of the rarest of all muscle cars.One of 14  
 built.

 http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=121798

 A rare (only 14 produced) 1970 Hemicuda convertible sold for US 
 $2.16 million at the Barrett-Jackson Collector Car Scottsdale  
 Auction in 2006. From wikipedia

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Barracuda

 http://www.legendarymotorcar.com/work_in_progress/in_progress/70% 
 20Hemi%20cuda%20conv.html

 Rick Knoble
 '85 300 CD
 '87 190 DT



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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

2007-09-05 Thread Tom Hargrave
That's a more reasonable top-end.

Tom
www.kegkits.com
 
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My '68 topped out at 130mph. I did it one night racing a 72 Corvette on
GA 
400 before it opened in 1973.


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)


 You must be kidding, even with 360hp the 68 GTO could never go that
fast. 
 It was a pretty quick car, but technically you take into consideration

 wind drag, weight and actual gearing of the car and you have a brick
on 
 wheels.


 Harry
 69 280 SEL
 72 350SL ?
 04 VW Passat 4 Motion
 1999 Mazda Miata ?




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 - Original Message - 
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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 8:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta


 Not a bad looking car, but that silly little story  included from the
 star is pure fiction. Anyone who's ever owned a '68 GTO ( present
 company included ) knows that 120 is just a nice mild cruising speed,
 those beasts don't even start breathing hard till around 180...that's
 when it's time to use the last third of the gas pedal travel. We used
to
 have a lot of fun with that car out on a dry lake. 220mph+ is an
 interesting feeling :-)
 If they passed a GTO at 120 it's because the guy in the goat didn't
 care, not because the 6.9 is some super car.
 I wonder why he included that little snippet in his ad? I guess it
 didn't help him sell the thing.

 -Robert






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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

2007-09-05 Thread Robert Tara Ludwick
It aint braggin if ya done it! There are those who sit around and read 
specs, then there are those of us who dig in and do it. As I said, 2.1:1 
rear, huge carb , fancy ignition and a nice cam, all set up for high 
RPM. I was working in an  engine shop at the time and we did a lot of 
high speed engines ( got lots of practice on boat engines for rich 
idiots, they would come in and spend 4-5 grand on a custom engine for a 
speed boat, then take it out to the lake, do a powerslide in front of a 
bunch of girls to impress them, and then the wake would wash over the 
back of the hull and straight into the velocity stack intake and blow 
them sky high.. by tuesday, they'd have another  bare block in the shop 
for another 4-5 grand treatment, then they'd go out and do it 
again...must be nice to have more money then brains ). I had also 
learned when to trust the factory engineers, and they did a heck of a 
job on those things.It really took very little.

It's not hard to make cars go really fast, you just have to make them 
wind out, but you do sacrifice quick takeoffs. I had a '67 El Camino I 
was playing with at one time that I really rigged to scream with a 350 
small block ( with nothing stock in it  but the crank)and a th 350 
behind it ( along with fitting the front seats, dash and center console 
out of a '72 Chevelle in it dyed black and white , It looked pretty cool 
too :-), the thing would do 120mph in second gear. I have no idea how 
fast that thing could go in third, I never got around to working the 
suspension out to handle more than 150 before moving on to another 
project.  Had two different carbs for it, the high speed holley wasn't 
very streetable, so I had a smaller AFB for it and mounted the carb with 
aircraft push pin quick disconnects  so I could swap carbs in about a 
minute to run the thing.The guy who bought it promptly wrapped it around 
a tree first day out.

The  old 'merican stuff  was usually way overbuilt and could be made to 
do much more with very little effort. Ah for the days before  computer 
designing.

Drag and weight  only slow you down if you haven't got enough power.

Its a good thing I grew out of all that. Now I drive around in a bunch 
of old diesels.Go figure.

--Robert

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You must be kidding, even with 360hp the 68 GTO could never go that fast. It 
 was a pretty quick car, but technically you take into consideration wind 
 drag, weight and actual gearing of the car and you have a brick on wheels. 


 Harry
 69 280 SEL 
 72 350SL ?
 04 VW Passat 4 Motion
 1999 Mazda Miata ? 




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 - Original Message - 
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 Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 8:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta


   
 Not a bad looking car, but that silly little story  included from the
 star is pure fiction. Anyone who's ever owned a '68 GTO ( present
 company included ) knows that 120 is just a nice mild cruising speed,
 those beasts don't even start breathing hard till around 180...that's
 when it's time to use the last third of the gas pedal travel. We used to
 have a lot of fun with that car out on a dry lake. 220mph+ is an
 interesting feeling :-)
 If they passed a GTO at 120 it's because the guy in the goat didn't
 care, not because the 6.9 is some super car.
 I wonder why he included that little snippet in his ad? I guess it
 didn't help him sell the thing.

 -Robert

 
  




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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

2007-09-05 Thread R A Bennell
I have a vague recollection that one of the car mags - HotRod or Car Craft type 
publication - got a newer Firebird
to around 200 mph but it took a whole lot of messaging and effort. It is not as 
easy as it might appear.

Isn't there some sort of on road race accross the dessert in Nevada - legal or 
otherwise - where folks just drive
flat out. I think that is what the magazine was participating in.

Randy

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Now thats more realistic. I remember my 68 RT Charger with a 383 and 430hp 
struggled to do 140


Harry
69 280 SEL
72 350SL ?
04 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata ?


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Sent: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 9:53 am
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)



My '68 topped out at 130mph. I did it one night racing a 72 Corvette on GA
400 before it opened in 1973.


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Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)


 You must be kidding, even with 360hp the 68 GTO could never go that fast.
 It was a pretty quick car, but technically you take into consideration
 wind drag, weight and actual gearing of the car and you have a brick on
 wheels.


 Harry
 69 280 SEL
 72 350SL ?
 04 VW Passat 4 Motion
 1999 Mazda Miata ?




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 - Original Message -
 From: Robert  Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 8:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta


 Not a bad looking car, but that silly little story  included from the
 star is pure fiction. Anyone who's ever owned a '68 GTO ( present
 company included ) knows that 120 is just a nice mild cruising speed,
 those beasts don't even start breathing hard till around 180...that's
 when it's time to use the last third of the gas pedal travel. We used to
 have a lot of fun with that car out on a dry lake. 220mph+ is an
 interesting feeling :-)
 If they passed a GTO at 120 it's because the guy in the goat didn't
 care, not because the 6.9 is some super car.
 I wonder why he included that little snippet in his ad? I guess it
 didn't help him sell the thing.

 -Robert






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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

2007-09-05 Thread Donald Snook
Robert wrote: 

 

The  old 'merican stuff  was usually way overbuilt and could be made to


do much more with very little effort. Ah for the days before  computer 

designing.

 

Drag and weight  only slow you down if you haven't got enough power. 

 

 

I agree with that!  I had a 1973 Pontiac Grand Am with a 400 4 barrel
when I was 17.   Now those that don't know a Grand Am back in the day
was a cool car, it was not a small little commuter car built cheaply to
sell to rental companies.  It was a big coupe with a monster engine.
Without any modifications, the 400 was faster than the 455 found in the
Trans Am (although I wanted - and still want - a 1979 TA with the 6.6
engine and the crazy chicken on the hood.  That old Grand Am would go
150 without much trouble - except it took FOREVER to slow down.  I loved
that old car. GM was preparing for the Bicentennial and many of the
grand am came in White with a red interior. It had red and blue
pinstriping.   When that four barrel opened up you could hear the gas
sucking into that engine and you better hold on.  The 400 had loads of
torque and it could make that two ton boat really fly.  

 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 140K (For Sale) 

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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

2007-09-04 Thread Rusty Cullens
I will tell a very true but long GTO story. I had a 1968 4 speed GTO 
Convertible, no power steering or brakes. I was a freshman at Young Harris 
College in the mountains of North Georgia. 2nd night there I took 3 other 
guys I had known for 2 whole days out for a ride. Well, we were going 70 MPH 
on a road I had never driven and I decided to step on the gas.bad idea. 
We went to 90 MPH faster than you can say oh . Best of all the road bent 
90 degrees. Well, I am still here today, and so are my 3 ex friends but let 
me tell you, what a ride! we flew off a ledge about 7 to 8 feet high, right 
into a small corn field and bounced about 10 times without flipping (the top 
was down). As came to a stop, we got out and surveyed the situation. No way 
to drive up an 8 foot embankment, so we walked through the field until we 
saw a driveway about 100 yards away. I ran back to the car and drove it to 
the driveway smashing corn the entire time. Pulled back onto the road, drove 
back to school at 35 MPH and took stock when we got back. There was Silver 
Queen everywhere it could be in the suspension. I went back the next day to 
survey the scene and there was this little old farmer standing in the field 
scratching his head wondering what type of UFO landed in his corn! It was 
hoot. But the 3 guys never rode with me again, I wonder why?


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- Original Message - 
From: Robert  Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta


 Not a bad looking car, but that silly little story  included from the
 star is pure fiction. Anyone who's ever owned a '68 GTO ( present
 company included ) knows that 120 is just a nice mild cruising speed,
 those beasts don't even start breathing hard till around 180...that's
 when it's time to use the last third of the gas pedal travel. We used to
 have a lot of fun with that car out on a dry lake. 220mph+ is an
 interesting feeling :-)
 If they passed a GTO at 120 it's because the guy in the goat didn't
 care, not because the 6.9 is some super car.
 I wonder why he included that little snippet in his ad? I guess it
 didn't help him sell the thing.

 -Robert

 




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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

2007-09-04 Thread Robert Rentfro
You're a madman.

Bob R

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On Behalf Of Rusty Cullens
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:19 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

I will tell a very true but long GTO story. I had a 1968 4 speed GTO 
Convertible, no power steering or brakes. I was a freshman at Young Harris 
College in the mountains of North Georgia. 2nd night there I took 3 other 
guys I had known for 2 whole days out for a ride. Well, we were going 70 MPH

on a road I had never driven and I decided to step on the gas.bad idea. 
We went to 90 MPH faster than you can say oh . Best of all the road bent

90 degrees. Well, I am still here today, and so are my 3 ex friends but let 
me tell you, what a ride! we flew off a ledge about 7 to 8 feet high, right 
into a small corn field and bounced about 10 times without flipping (the top

was down). As came to a stop, we got out and surveyed the situation. No way 
to drive up an 8 foot embankment, so we walked through the field until we 
saw a driveway about 100 yards away. I ran back to the car and drove it to 
the driveway smashing corn the entire time. Pulled back onto the road, drove

back to school at 35 MPH and took stock when we got back. There was Silver 
Queen everywhere it could be in the suspension. I went back the next day to 
survey the scene and there was this little old farmer standing in the field 
scratching his head wondering what type of UFO landed in his corn! It was 
hoot. But the 3 guys never rode with me again, I wonder why?


Rusty Cullens
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- Original Message - 
From: Robert  Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta


 Not a bad looking car, but that silly little story  included from the
 star is pure fiction. Anyone who's ever owned a '68 GTO ( present
 company included ) knows that 120 is just a nice mild cruising speed,
 those beasts don't even start breathing hard till around 180...that's
 when it's time to use the last third of the gas pedal travel. We used to
 have a lot of fun with that car out on a dry lake. 220mph+ is an
 interesting feeling :-)
 If they passed a GTO at 120 it's because the guy in the goat didn't
 care, not because the 6.9 is some super car.
 I wonder why he included that little snippet in his ad? I guess it
 didn't help him sell the thing.

 -Robert

 




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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

2007-09-04 Thread E M
Yeah, I hear brakes were an option on those cars. hee hee

Ed
300E

On 04/09/07, Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I will tell a very true but long GTO story. I had a 1968 4 speed GTO
 Convertible, no power steering or brakes.
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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

2007-09-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
that gave me a chuckle

---
Kaleb C. Striplin
Cox Auto Trader
730 FSBO Supervisor

- Original Message - 
From: Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)


I will tell a very true but long GTO story. I had a 1968 4 speed GTO
 Convertible, no power steering or brakes. I was a freshman at Young Harris
 College in the mountains of North Georgia. 2nd night there I took 3 other
 guys I had known for 2 whole days out for a ride. Well, we were going 70 
 MPH
 on a road I had never driven and I decided to step on the gas.bad 
 idea.
 We went to 90 MPH faster than you can say oh . Best of all the road 
 bent
 90 degrees. Well, I am still here today, and so are my 3 ex friends but 
 let
 me tell you, what a ride! we flew off a ledge about 7 to 8 feet high, 
 right
 into a small corn field and bounced about 10 times without flipping (the 
 top
 was down). As came to a stop, we got out and surveyed the situation. No 
 way
 to drive up an 8 foot embankment, so we walked through the field until we
 saw a driveway about 100 yards away. I ran back to the car and drove it to
 the driveway smashing corn the entire time. Pulled back onto the road, 
 drove
 back to school at 35 MPH and took stock when we got back. There was Silver
 Queen everywhere it could be in the suspension. I went back the next day 
 to
 survey the scene and there was this little old farmer standing in the 
 field
 scratching his head wondering what type of UFO landed in his corn! It was
 hoot. But the 3 guys never rode with me again, I wonder why?


 Rusty Cullens
 BuyMBparts, Inc.
 Tel 1-800-741-5252
 Fax   770-454-9745

 - Original Message - 
 From: Robert  Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 8:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta


 Not a bad looking car, but that silly little story  included from the
 star is pure fiction. Anyone who's ever owned a '68 GTO ( present
 company included ) knows that 120 is just a nice mild cruising speed,
 those beasts don't even start breathing hard till around 180...that's
 when it's time to use the last third of the gas pedal travel. We used to
 have a lot of fun with that car out on a dry lake. 220mph+ is an
 interesting feeling :-)
 If they passed a GTO at 120 it's because the guy in the goat didn't
 care, not because the 6.9 is some super car.
 I wonder why he included that little snippet in his ad? I guess it
 didn't help him sell the thing.

 -Robert






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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

2007-09-04 Thread Robert Rentfro
My first vision of carnage was GTO related
One of my uncle's buds had a'68 GTO and another had a Grabber Green '70 Boss
429. Jack had the Mustang. He used to tape a fifty cent piece to the dash
and tell me, as a 10 year old, if I could grab the fifty cent piece while he
was mashing the foot feed to the floor, I could keep the moneyI never
reached it.
Anywho...they decided to race one afternoon. 
My grandparents and I happened by about 10 minutes after the race was over.
Mustang Jack plowed into a railroad bridge trestle (car split in two, Jack
dead) and the GTO was on it's top after having rolled probably a dozen
times. The two passengers of GTO were in the ditch contorted in ways human
bodies do not normally bend. One dead, one nearly. 
My granddad made me look.
That was quite the learning for me. Maybe that's why I drive a 30 year old
solid safe diesel that can hardly get out of its own way.

Bob R.  


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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta

2007-09-02 Thread Mitch Haley


Jim Cathey wrote:
 
 Given a choice, I'd still take a 6.9, thank you very much.
 Unless I was going to sell it for cash.  Then I'd want the goat!

There's a booming market in Mopars these days. A 426 engine is probably
worth as much as the whole GTO with Judge package. If you can find
a convertible or Superbird that originally had a 426 4sp in it,
the VIN and title is probably worth more than a good 450 SEL 6.9.

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[MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta

2007-09-01 Thread John Robbins
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300145019267

Its already ended, but I bet you could get in touch with him and make an 
off eBay offer if you're nearby.

If it was about 2 hours closer I would be on my way to look at it.

John

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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta

2007-09-01 Thread E M
Seems to have enjoyed the car and looks pretty honest about how he presents
is.

Wonder if the miles are real though?

Ed
300E

On 01/09/07, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300145019267

 Its already ended, but I bet you could get in touch with him and make an
 off eBay offer if you're nearby.

 If it was about 2 hours closer I would be on my way to look at it.

 John

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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta

2007-09-01 Thread Robert Tara Ludwick
Not a bad looking car, but that silly little story  included from the 
star is pure fiction. Anyone who's ever owned a '68 GTO ( present 
company included ) knows that 120 is just a nice mild cruising speed, 
those beasts don't even start breathing hard till around 180...that's 
when it's time to use the last third of the gas pedal travel. We used to 
have a lot of fun with that car out on a dry lake. 220mph+ is an 
interesting feeling :-)
If they passed a GTO at 120 it's because the guy in the goat didn't 
care, not because the 6.9 is some super car.
I wonder why he included that little snippet in his ad? I guess it 
didn't help him sell the thing.

-Robert

John Robbins wrote:
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300145019267

 Its already ended, but I bet you could get in touch with him and make an 
 off eBay offer if you're nearby.

 If it was about 2 hours closer I would be on my way to look at it.

 John

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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta

2007-09-01 Thread Mitch Haley


Robert  Tara Ludwick wrote:
 
 Not a bad looking car, but that silly little story  included from the
 star is pure fiction. Anyone who's ever owned a '68 GTO ( present
 company included ) knows that 120 is just a nice mild cruising speed,
 those beasts don't even start breathing hard till around 180.

How many rpms is that with a 4:10 axle (or even a 3.73) and 1:1 top
gear? 
If tires are 30, that's a little less than 22mph per 1000 rpm at
4.10:1. At 3.21:1 it would be nearly 28mph, or about 139 mph at
5000rpm. I don't think I ever saw a muscle car with a 3.21 final drive.
These cars had the power to go 120-140, but not always the gearing.
A friend of mine had a race prepped 442 that would do 12 sec 1/4 mi.
I don't think that car ever saw over 125 mph, even when he put a
4sp in it and drove it on the road. 
The Road Runner Superbird and Charger Daytona race cars had CD
in the 0.28 range, and could do about 200 flat, but I'd be 
surprised if the homologation versions did over much over 160.
Your typical supercar (GTO, 'Cuda, etc) was probably closer to
0.5 CD, and that took a lot off the top speed potential. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta

2007-09-01 Thread Jim Cathey
 Not a bad looking car, but that silly little story  included from the
 star is pure fiction. Anyone who's ever owned a '68 GTO ( present
 company included ) knows that 120 is just a nice mild cruising speed,
 those beasts don't even start breathing hard till around 180.

Which takes about what, 500 HP?  How much more does a goat
have?  Wouldn't have thought it would have quite had that.
Certainly the 6.9 doesn't.

Given a choice, I'd still take a 6.9, thank you very much.
Unless I was going to sell it for cash.  Then I'd want the goat!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta

2007-09-01 Thread Robert Tara Ludwick
Try 2.21:1 rear end. That's what mine had. A bunch came out of the 
factory that way. A waste of time to run a 1/4 mile with them, but they 
were made to open up and run.  Most came with lower rears, but not much 
.I never saw a stock goat that couldn't do 160 no problem Most came out 
of the factory geared to run, people who wanted street racers generally 
switched them to lower sets later, although there was  almost endless 
options for the things.

-Robert

Mitch Haley wrote:
 Robert  Tara Ludwick wrote:
   
 Not a bad looking car, but that silly little story  included from the
 star is pure fiction. Anyone who's ever owned a '68 GTO ( present
 company included ) knows that 120 is just a nice mild cruising speed,
 those beasts don't even start breathing hard till around 180.
 

 How many rpms is that with a 4:10 axle (or even a 3.73) and 1:1 top
 gear? 
 If tires are 30, that's a little less than 22mph per 1000 rpm at
 4.10:1. At 3.21:1 it would be nearly 28mph, or about 139 mph at
 5000rpm. I don't think I ever saw a muscle car with a 3.21 final drive.
 These cars had the power to go 120-140, but not always the gearing.
 A friend of mine had a race prepped 442 that would do 12 sec 1/4 mi.
 I don't think that car ever saw over 125 mph, even when he put a
 4sp in it and drove it on the road. 
 The Road Runner Superbird and Charger Daytona race cars had CD
 in the 0.28 range, and could do about 200 flat, but I'd be 
 surprised if the homologation versions did over much over 160.
 Your typical supercar (GTO, 'Cuda, etc) was probably closer to
 0.5 CD, and that took a lot off the top speed potential. 
 Mitch.


   


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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta

2007-09-01 Thread Tom Hargrave
The 6.9 has one serious Achilles heel - the engine produces so much torque
that you can break the differential. And the 6.9 has a special differential
- it's not likely that you will find one in your local junkyard. This, plus
the owner added nitrous to the engine, possibly maling the problem worse,
would make me look hard at the differential before buying the car.

Also, Mercedes made another 4 door sedan that will stomp a GTO, it's a
300SEL 6.3. I'd go for the 6.3 over the 6.9 any day.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300145019267

Its already ended, but I bet you could get in touch with him and make an 
off eBay offer if you're nearby.

If it was about 2 hours closer I would be on my way to look at it.

John

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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta

2007-09-01 Thread E M
You did 220 mph in a GTO?  Geez, almost fast enough to catch all those fish
that got away. :-) hee hee

Ed
300E

On 01/09/07, Robert  Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Not a bad looking car, but that silly little story  included from the
 star is pure fiction. Anyone who's ever owned a '68 GTO ( present
 company included ) knows that 120 is just a nice mild cruising speed,
 those beasts don't even start breathing hard till around 180...that's
 when it's time to use the last third of the gas pedal travel. We used to
 have a lot of fun with that car out on a dry lake. 220mph+ is an
 interesting feeling :-)
 If they passed a GTO at 120 it's because the guy in the goat didn't
 care, not because the 6.9 is some super car.
 I wonder why he included that little snippet in his ad? I guess it
 didn't help him sell the thing.

 -Robert

 John Robbins wrote:
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300145019267
 
  Its already ended, but I bet you could get in touch with him and make an
  off eBay offer if you're nearby.
 
  If it was about 2 hours closer I would be on my way to look at it.
 
  John
 
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