Re: [MBZ] Diesel prices are making me angry
I think the top speed on the '87 300TD should be higher than 123, I can hit 125 (130 down a long steep hill) in my '91 300D 2.5Turbo with the stock 2.65 diff and 4600rpm limit. I thought the '87 124s had a 5000 or 5100rpm limit with the same 2.65 rear end, that should make them good for a true 130+. Chase M. K. From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel prices are making me angry Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:41:18 -0700 (PDT) I think we need Marshall to chime in here with official top speed numbers. I am almost certain I saw 102 for the SD, which means I have a hard time seeing yours going 115 - not saying you are lying, just wondering what's not right here - maybe my car and my firgures...? Anyone got official figs and if SD is 102 tops, why does Luther's go 115...wrong size tires? Chris --- Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: negative sir, have not topped the CD out...it pins out at 85. The SD, OTOH, reads to 120, and will almost make that. Top speed around 115 (so far). Kaleb, and yes, by definition, that makes me a reckless driver. I've only had the SD above 100 2 or 3 times (1 time in southern Missour...pulled over by a state trooper.). Now both of you, think about the design ideas that MB was using. I have 1 word for you AUTOBAN. Cars designed to be happy at 100+mph, just ask Dr. Marshall. Eh? On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:20:36 -0500, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 300SD top speed is 102mph, I believe...you must be talking of the CD, no? Top speed on the 87 300TD is 123mph and I EASILY hit 100 the other day. The SD was screaming across Texas and I only got to 99mph b4 a big truck wouldn't move out of the way. Chris -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix) '82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??) ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1987 300TD, 150K miles, Rotkäppchen (Little Red Riding Hood) -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/CO/WATF/WGL/WBF/DA/MS/lard/gas/kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP, injectors, pre-chambers, etc.) -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Chase Kaufman wrote: I think the top speed on the '87 300TD should be higher than 123, I can hit 125 (130 down a long steep hill) in my '91 300D 2.5Turbo with the stock 2.65 diff and 4600rpm limit. I thought the '87 124s had a 5000 or 5100rpm limit with the same 2.65 rear end, that should make them good for a true 130+. If you push it off Pike's Peak it will go even faster. The rated top speed of a 124.133 is 202 km/h (126 mph) and that's NOT at 5100 rpm but closer to the speed at which maximum power is generated (~4600-4800 rpm). Top speed is NOT controlled by the governor in that car, but by the maximum power the engine can generate. The purpose of the governor in THAT car is NOT to limit ground speed, but to limit engine speed so the engine will not self destruct. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Chase Kaufman wrote: I think the top speed on the '87 300TD should be higher than 123, I can hit 125 (130 down a long steep hill) in my '91 300D 2.5Turbo with the stock 2.65 diff and 4600rpm limit. I thought the '87 124s had a 5000 or 5100rpm limit with the same 2.65 rear end, that should make them good for a true 130+. Top speed for a 300TD 124.193 is NOT 202 km/h but 195 km/hr (121 mph) and all the same arguments apply. Your '91 300D 2.5 is many hundreds of pounds lighter! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If you push it off Pike's Peak it will go even faster. ROTFLMAO! Rick Knoble 1985 300 CD
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I think that's called making bioDiesel from WVO -- -- On 10/26/05, Gabriel S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can't you just buy your own crude oil and refine it yourself? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
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Yup - I shouldn't have ragged you about a German word either -- -- and I do make more than my fair share of typos. On 10/26/05, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OH DonFU! Spelin ahnd mee doon't geht alon. Sory! -Original Message- From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 26, 2005 9:06 AM To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel prices are making me angry Is that like a filter that automatically forwards posts to the banned list based on key words? Oh, I think you were refering to Autobahn -- German highways! Now both of you, think about the design ideas that MB was using. I have 1 word for you AUTOBAN. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
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Went to fill up the 90's wagon and found diesel jump 50cent a gallon here on vancouver island over the last week. More expensive than premium now. Guess it's time for people to fill up oil tanks for heating so drive that price up, record profits next quarter too I'll bet. John 1983 300TDt 358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990 300TDt 151k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)
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300SD top speed is 102mph, I believe...you must be talking of the CD, no? Top speed on the 87 300TD is 123mph and I EASILY hit 100 the other day. The SD was screaming across Texas and I only got to 99mph b4 a big truck wouldn't move out of the way. Chris --- Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know what kind of Benz you drive, but mine is usually passing the gass guzzlin SUV's. It's most happy at speeds approaching and exceeding 100mph. YMMV. Luther On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:32:52 -0500, Gabriel S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, but the benz goes slower and you wont miss the scenery! -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix) '82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??) ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1987 300TD, 150K miles, Rotkäppchen (Little Red Riding Hood) -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/CO/WATF/WGL/WBF/DA/MS/lard/gas/kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP, injectors, pre-chambers, etc.) -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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I imagine it's limited by revs only? On 10/25/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 300SD top speed is 102mph, I believe...you must be talking of the CD, no? Top speed on the 87 300TD is 123mph and I EASILY hit 100 the other day. The SD was screaming across Texas and I only got to 99mph b4 a big truck wouldn't move out of the way. Chris --- Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know what kind of Benz you drive, but mine is usually passing the gass guzzlin SUV's. It's most happy at speeds approaching and exceeding 100mph. YMMV. Luther On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:32:52 -0500, Gabriel S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, but the benz goes slower and you wont miss the scenery! -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix) '82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??) ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1987 300TD, 150K miles, Rotkäppchen (Little Red Riding Hood) -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf ( http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/CO/WATF/WGL/WBF/DA/MS/lard/gas/kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP, injectors, pre-chambers, etc.) -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=-
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so you are a wreckless driver? Luther Gulseth wrote: I don't know what kind of Benz you drive, but mine is usually passing the gass guzzlin SUV's. It's most happy at speeds approaching and exceeding 100mph. YMMV. Luther On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:32:52 -0500, Gabriel S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, but the benz goes slower and you wont miss the scenery! -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
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I am not a wreckless driver, i prefer to call myself a spirited driver. On 10/25/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so you are a wreckless driver? Luther Gulseth wrote: I don't know what kind of Benz you drive, but mine is usually passing the gass guzzlin SUV's. It's most happy at speeds approaching and exceeding 100mph. YMMV. Luther On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:32:52 -0500, Gabriel S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, but the benz goes slower and you wont miss the scenery! -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=-
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Yea, Luther, you just love that feeling of the wind blowing in your hair, don't you? Don't forget that not all of us are driving S-Class turbos. :-) Don [Benz temporarily down pending installation of tie rod ends and lower ball joints.] On 10/25/05, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know what kind of Benz you drive, but mine is usually passing the gass guzzlin SUV's. It's most happy at speeds approaching and exceeding 100mph. YMMV. Luther -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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Agreed - the gas sucking SLC won't be so bad to drive now -- I'm inspired to take more time off work and get it running. On 10/25/05, Trampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to thank you guys for making me feel better. Here I had been feeling bad about getting 560SEL, especially after the gas price increase. Now I feel better about driving the 560SEL. Regards, Trampas -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
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negative sir, have not topped the CD out...it pins out at 85. The SD, OTOH, reads to 120, and will almost make that. Top speed around 115 (so far). Kaleb, and yes, by definition, that makes me a reckless driver. I've only had the SD above 100 2 or 3 times (1 time in southern Missour...pulled over by a state trooper.). Now both of you, think about the design ideas that MB was using. I have 1 word for you AUTOBAN. Cars designed to be happy at 100+mph, just ask Dr. Marshall. Eh? On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:20:36 -0500, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 300SD top speed is 102mph, I believe...you must be talking of the CD, no? Top speed on the 87 300TD is 123mph and I EASILY hit 100 the other day. The SD was screaming across Texas and I only got to 99mph b4 a big truck wouldn't move out of the way. Chris -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix) '82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??)
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Is that like a filter that automatically forwards posts to the banned list based on key words? Oh, I think you were refering to Autobahn -- German highways! Now both of you, think about the design ideas that MB was using. I have 1 word for you AUTOBAN. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
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So wierd... I noticed on the way to work today that diesel had again DROPPED this time $0.06 to $2.79. Gas is $2.55 so I'm not doing the happy dance but its still much cheaper for me to drive Hammie than my pickup truck. I drove all the way to work today without exceeding 70mph (I got up early and had the time) most of the way I cruised at 60mph which incidentally is where Hammie sounds the happiest. I'm going to make an effort to go slow on the way home too, I'm curious if I can get my best mileage ever number above 32mpg. -Curt '83 240D Hammie 247kmi Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:38:16 -0500 From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Diesel prices are making me angry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I filled up my wife's gas guzzling Ford Explorer 4X4 yesterday. Gas was $2.13. I also filled up my MB diesel and it was $3.35. If I took both of these on the highway and used 20 gallons. I could travel 400 miles in the Explorer and 680 miles in my benz. At the cost of fuel, it would cost me less per mile to drive the gaz guzzling SUV. The cost per mile is 9.39 cents per mile (fuel only) and 10.15 cents per mile to drive the benz. I understand that the SUV is going to get much worse mileage in the city and then the benz is going to be far cheaper. I also understand that a mix of the two, the benz might still be slightly cheaper, but come on, if I want to take a long trip, it does not make sense to drive the SUV. Who knew that getting 34-35 mpg wouldn't be enough? Donald H. Snook - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Oct 26 13:17:03 2005 Received: from outmail.yourhostingaccount.com ([65.254.254.77] helo=mailout07.yourhostingaccount.com) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EUl9L-00069B-Bi for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:17:03 + Received: from scan10.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.240] helo=scan10.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout07.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1EUl9E-0001zi-QV for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:16:56 -0400 Received: from authsmtp04.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.4] ident=exim) by scan10.yourhostingaccount.com with spamscanlookuphost (Exim) id 1EUl9D-00066w-FY for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:16:55 -0400 Received: from authsmtp04.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.4] helo=authsmtp04.yourhostingaccount.com) by scan10.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1EUl92-00063f-QL for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:16:44 -0400 Received: from [131.128.106.196] (helo=universia74613) by authsmtp04.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim) id 1EUl8x-0006kz-L2 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:16:39 -0400 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:16:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-EN-UserInfo: 55e75b7913e73a971f86d856f345b6b6:e66273388a0850bc5af5ff3113079cd3 X-EN-AuthUser: d30023426-webmaster Sender: John Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: [MBZ] Why are the newer (96-99) benzes prone to rust? X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:17:03 - I'm wondering what happened that caused the 96-99 bodies to rust - here in the North East, I see loads of '87 - '95 124's with perfect paint and bodies- even with the horrible salt we get. But I see many of the newer style with rust, especially on the rear trunk and front fenders. Did MB change their metal, thickness or coatings? Why would they do that- they sure got things right on the 124's. John Peterson Kingston, RI 1991 300D 2.5 74k - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:06 AM
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I think we need Marshall to chime in here with official top speed numbers. I am almost certain I saw 102 for the SD, which means I have a hard time seeing yours going 115 - not saying you are lying, just wondering what's not right here - maybe my car and my firgures...? Anyone got official figs and if SD is 102 tops, why does Luther's go 115...wrong size tires? Chris --- Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: negative sir, have not topped the CD out...it pins out at 85. The SD, OTOH, reads to 120, and will almost make that. Top speed around 115 (so far). Kaleb, and yes, by definition, that makes me a reckless driver. I've only had the SD above 100 2 or 3 times (1 time in southern Missour...pulled over by a state trooper.). Now both of you, think about the design ideas that MB was using. I have 1 word for you AUTOBAN. Cars designed to be happy at 100+mph, just ask Dr. Marshall. Eh? On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:20:36 -0500, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 300SD top speed is 102mph, I believe...you must be talking of the CD, no? Top speed on the 87 300TD is 123mph and I EASILY hit 100 the other day. The SD was screaming across Texas and I only got to 99mph b4 a big truck wouldn't move out of the way. Chris -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix) '82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??) ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1987 300TD, 150K miles, Rotkäppchen (Little Red Riding Hood) -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/CO/WATF/WGL/WBF/DA/MS/lard/gas/kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP, injectors, pre-chambers, etc.) -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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Christopher McCann wrote: I think we need Marshall to chime in here with official top speed numbers. I am almost certain I saw 102 for the SD, which means I have a hard time seeing yours going 115 - not saying you are lying, just wondering what's not right here - maybe my car and my firgures...? Anyone got official figs and if SD is 102 tops, why does Luther's go 115...wrong size tires? Officially the top speed for 617.95 powered cars was 165-170 for the 123s and 170-175km/h for the 126s (5 km/h slower BEFORE 1985). That's 109 mph for a 1985 126.120 300SD and 106 mph for a 1985 123.133/153/193 300D/CD/TD. I know that doesn't make a lot of sense when you play with the gear ratios, engine speeds and tire sizes, but those ARE the number Mercedes publishes. I know of more than a couple of 126.120 and 116.120 owners that have exceeded 110 mph (numbers from 113-117 come to mind) in situations where they were clocked with GOOD equipment. It seems that while staying within the outside edge of the allowable specifications you could exceed the published top speed by about 7%. Maybe that requires a tailwind. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Where are you located? That is just insane, OK usually has the cheapest fuel in the country and diesel did drop but is still 3.15. Curt Raymond wrote: So wierd... I noticed on the way to work today that diesel had again DROPPED this time $0.06 to $2.79. Gas is $2.55 so I'm not doing the happy dance but its still much cheaper for me to drive Hammie than my pickup truck. I drove all the way to work today without exceeding 70mph (I got up early and had the time) most of the way I cruised at 60mph which incidentally is where Hammie sounds the happiest. I'm going to make an effort to go slow on the way home too, I'm curious if I can get my best mileage ever number above 32mpg. -Curt '83 240D Hammie 247kmi -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
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I'm in upstate NY and filled up yesterday for $2.95. One other station I saw was $2.89, but I picked the truck stop hoping they would have better fuel. Levi On 10/26/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where are you located? That is just insane, OK usually has the cheapest fuel in the country and diesel did drop but is still 3.15.
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thanks - maybe Luther had a tail wind and I had a head wind...next time I'm in TX or KS, will try it again Chris, with wind sock in trunk (not really) --- Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: I think we need Marshall to chime in here with official top speed numbers. I am almost certain I saw 102 for the SD, which means I have a hard time seeing yours going 115 - not saying you are lying, just wondering what's not right here - maybe my car and my firgures...? Anyone got official figs and if SD is 102 tops, why does Luther's go 115...wrong size tires? Officially the top speed for 617.95 powered cars was 165-170 for the 123s and 170-175km/h for the 126s (5 km/h slower BEFORE 1985). That's 109 mph for a 1985 126.120 300SD and 106 mph for a 1985 123.133/153/193 300D/CD/TD. I know that doesn't make a lot of sense when you play with the gear ratios, engine speeds and tire sizes, but those ARE the number Mercedes publishes. I know of more than a couple of 126.120 and 116.120 owners that have exceeded 110 mph (numbers from 113-117 come to mind) in situations where they were clocked with GOOD equipment. It seems that while staying within the outside edge of the allowable specifications you could exceed the published top speed by about 7%. Maybe that requires a tailwind. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1987 300TD, 150K miles, Rotkäppchen (Little Red Riding Hood) -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/CO/WATF/WGL/WBF/DA/MS/lard/gas/kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP, injectors, pre-chambers, etc.) -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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Kaleb wrote:Where are you located? That is just insane, OK usually has the cheapest fuel in the country and diesel did drop but is still 3.15. Filled up yesterday - in VA (near Richmond) and paid $2.99 for diesel. Naturally, down the street we saw it for $2.79. Sincerely, Larry T (78 240D) A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net
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OH DonFU! Spelin ahnd mee doon't geht alon. Sory! -Original Message- From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 26, 2005 9:06 AM To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel prices are making me angry Is that like a filter that automatically forwards posts to the banned list based on key words? Oh, I think you were refering to Autobahn -- German highways! Now both of you, think about the design ideas that MB was using. I have 1 word for you AUTOBAN. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/ Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix) '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi
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I know its insane... I'm in central MA on the NH border. I'm surprised to see the price of diesel fall at this time of year. We had a little snow (just a dusting) yesterday... -Curt Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:57:15 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel prices are making me angry To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Where are you located? That is just insane, OK usually has the cheapest fuel in the country and diesel did drop but is still 3.15. Curt Raymond wrote: So wierd... I noticed on the way to work today that diesel had again DROPPED this time $0.06 to $2.79. Gas is $2.55 so I'm not doing the happy dance but its still much cheaper for me to drive Hammie than my pickup truck. I drove all the way to work today without exceeding 70mph (I got up early and had the time) most of the way I cruised at 60mph which incidentally is where Hammie sounds the happiest. I'm going to make an effort to go slow on the way home too, I'm curious if I can get my best mileage ever number above 32mpg. -Curt - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Oct 26 18:34:54 2005 Received: from pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([207.69.195.68]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EUq6w-00074h-HO for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:34:54 + Received: from user-1120t3p.dsl.mindspring.com ([66.32.116.121] helo=Bill) by pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EUq6t-0005iB-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:34:51 -0400 From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:34:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcXaMUlsusp4lpZuR0CFgS17I9luGAAKIxvQ In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: [MBZ] TV as population control X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:34:54 - Message: 5 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:48:51 -0500 From: Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Terminal population To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I also believe that we fail to give television the proper credit for population reduction (in the U.S. at least). Before television, there were few other entertainments available for the evenings. ;) Thomas E. Potter Telephone: (713) 215-2877 Fax: (713) 215-2551 Mobile: (832) 794-0536 There could be much truth in that. Just looking at India [I spent some time there and a lot more doing some detailed studies of population and development], the birth rate shows an almost exact inverse relationship to the education level for women [wouldn't touch that for the US, but it does suggest an approach to population control in many poor countries], and also to the hope of financial advancement. IE, when you have nothing, one more mouth to feed = the possibility of another worker to help the family; when you have a little and want a better life style, another child is held to be an economic burden. A new TV beats out that extra child many times. I'll leave the relationship of those items to more affluent societies with low birth rates to the social scientists. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD EM 265K /200K engine [?] 8 weeks and still in the shop 2001 I30 71K belonging to my 1 original well maintained wife
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gasoline EVERYWHERE here (KC, MO) is over $1/gallon cheaper. Chris --- Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just about freaked yesterday... I saw in some places that regular gas had dropped a dollar a gal below diesel. Ouch! -Robert Curt Raymond wrote: I know its insane... I'm in central MA on the NH border. I'm surprised to see the price of diesel fall at this time of year. We had a little snow (just a dusting) yesterday... -Curt Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:57:15 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel prices are making me angry To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Where are you located? That is just insane, OK usually has the cheapest fuel in the country and diesel did drop but is still 3.15. Curt Raymond wrote: So wierd... I noticed on the way to work today that diesel had again DROPPED this time $0.06 to $2.79. Gas is $2.55 so I'm not doing the happy dance but its still much cheaper for me to drive Hammie than my pickup truck. I drove all the way to work today without exceeding 70mph (I got up early and had the time) most of the way I cruised at 60mph which incidentally is where Hammie sounds the happiest. I'm going to make an effort to go slow on the way home too, I'm curious if I can get my best mileage ever number above 32mpg. -Curt - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1987 300TD, 150K miles, Rotkäppchen (Little Red Riding Hood) -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/CO/WATF/WGL/WBF/DA/MS/lard/gas/kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP, injectors, pre-chambers, etc.) -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
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can't you just buy your own crude oil and refine it yourself? On 10/26/05, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over the last 3 years, the cost of crude has represented about 50% of the cost of a gallon of diesel (give or take a little). Taxes have dwindled from representing about 37% of the cost in 2002 to representing less than 20% today. Distribution and marketing has dropped from more than 10% of the costs in early 2002 to about 5% now. What HAS really gone up? The cost of refining has gone from close to 5% in early 2002 to more than 20% in the fall of 2005. And remember that 5% of the cost of $1.50 diesel in 2002 was 7.5 cents a gallon, while 20+% of $3 diesel is about 60 cents! http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/gdu/dieselpump.html Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=-
[MBZ] Diesel prices are making me angry
I filled up my wife's gas guzzling Ford Explorer 4X4 yesterday. Gas was $2.13. I also filled up my MB diesel and it was $3.35. If I took both of these on the highway and used 20 gallons. I could travel 400 miles in the Explorer and 680 miles in my benz. At the cost of fuel, it would cost me less per mile to drive the gaz guzzling SUV. The cost per mile is 9.39 cents per mile (fuel only) and 10.15 cents per mile to drive the benz. I understand that the SUV is going to get much worse mileage in the city and then the benz is going to be far cheaper. I also understand that a mix of the two, the benz might still be slightly cheaper, but come on, if I want to take a long trip, it does not make sense to drive the SUV. Who knew that getting 34-35 mpg wouldn't be enough? Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have recieved this message in error, please delete it and notify me.
Re: [MBZ] Diesel prices are making me angry
Donald Snook wrote: I filled up my wife's gas guzzling Ford Explorer 4X4 yesterday. Gas was $2.13. I also filled up my MB diesel and it was $3.35. If I took both of these on the highway and used 20 gallons. I could travel 400 miles in the Explorer and 680 miles in my benz. At the cost of fuel, it would cost me less per mile to drive the gaz guzzling SUV. The cost per mile is 9.39 cents per mile (fuel only) and 10.15 cents per mile to drive the benz. I understand that the SUV is going to get much worse mileage in the city and then the benz is going to be far cheaper. I also understand that a mix of the two, the benz might still be slightly cheaper, but come on, if I want to take a long trip, it does not make sense to drive the SUV. Who knew that getting 34-35 mpg wouldn't be enough? It is usual for the maintenance cost of a diesel to be considerably lower than for a gasoline car and the longevity of diesel engines is often about double - so even when the fuel costs per mile are equal or a bit higher, the cost of operation the diesel is USUALLY lower. All we need to do is legislate to make use of diesel for heating and making electricity ILLEGAL. Then, the price of diesel will drop below the cost of gasoline (at least for a while)! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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yes, but the benz goes slower and you wont miss the scenery! On 10/25/05, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I filled up my wife's gas guzzling Ford Explorer 4X4 yesterday. Gas was $2.13. I also filled up my MB diesel and it was $3.35. If I took both of these on the highway and used 20 gallons. I could travel 400 miles in the Explorer and 680 miles in my benz. At the cost of fuel, it would cost me less per mile to drive the gaz guzzling SUV. The cost per mile is 9.39 cents per mile (fuel only) and 10.15 cents per mile to drive the benz. I understand that the SUV is going to get much worse mileage in the city and then the benz is going to be far cheaper. I also understand that a mix of the two, the benz might still be slightly cheaper, but come on, if I want to take a long trip, it does not make sense to drive the SUV. Who knew that getting 34-35 mpg wouldn't be enough? Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have recieved this message in error, please delete it and notify me. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=-
Re: [MBZ] Diesel prices are making me angry
The local stations in Zionsville (northwest of Indianapolis) were advertising diesel for $3.70 9/10 today, up a penny since yesterday. --mf
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I don't know what kind of Benz you drive, but mine is usually passing the gass guzzlin SUV's. It's most happy at speeds approaching and exceeding 100mph. YMMV. Luther On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:32:52 -0500, Gabriel S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, but the benz goes slower and you wont miss the scenery! -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix) '82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??)
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yeah, you're right, im usually passing the SUV's as well. On 10/25/05, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know what kind of Benz you drive, but mine is usually passing the gass guzzlin SUV's. It's most happy at speeds approaching and exceeding 100mph. YMMV. Luther On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:32:52 -0500, Gabriel S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, but the benz goes slower and you wont miss the scenery! -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix) '82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??) ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=-
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I want to thank you guys for making me feel better. Here I had been feeling bad about getting 560SEL, especially after the gas price increase. Now I feel better about driving the 560SEL. Regards, Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of L. Mark Finch Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 6:46 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel prices are making me angry The local stations in Zionsville (northwest of Indianapolis) were advertising diesel for $3.70 9/10 today, up a penny since yesterday. --mf ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
