Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks
Don't forget coal=carbon and diamond=carbon,so we get coal=diamond... Buy your missus a large rock for her finger (half of a pound of good hard anthricite ought to do); mothers day is coming up fast! (if you dare do it, have your widow post pictures so that we know what fatal stupidity looks like...) If you do it, survive, and she shows it off to oohs and aahs, you should be safe to rebuild your front suspension using only walmart and harbor freight tools, especially spring compressors... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Apr 17, 2010, at 21:33, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Mitch wrote: Diamond dust = Carbon Carbon = lubricant so Diamond dust = lubricant I'll take volcano plume behind door number 12, please. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks
Mitch wrote: Diamond dust = Carbon Carbon = lubricant so Diamond dust = lubricant I'll take volcano plume behind door number 12, please. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks
I dunno if its true but I could believe it. The black is supposed to be soot and the TP filter is supposed to remove soot... -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:35:57 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks Message-ID: m1y6go9ihu@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Black oil is normal, it'll ALWAYS be like that. 2 seconds after you put in fresh honey colored oil it'll be black as night, nothing to worry about. IIRC, a long time ago there was someone on the list who had a toilet-paper bypass filter and he claimed his oil was not black. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks
Soot = Carbon Carbon = Lubricant so Soot = lubricant F-soot is 100% ok as long as it doesn't exceed the oil makers requirements. This is an oil thread in disguise. -- Pete Arnold ‹(•¿•)› My Mind Not Only Wanders, Sometimes it Leaves Completely! On 4/16/2010 9:20 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: I dunno if its true but I could believe it. The black is supposed to be soot and the TP filter is supposed to remove soot... -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:35:57 -0400 From: Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue,now cleaningcrud from tanks Message-ID:m1y6go9ihu@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Black oil is normal, it'll ALWAYS be like that. 2 seconds after you put in fresh honey colored oil it'll be black as night, nothing to worry about. IIRC, a long time ago there was someone on the list who had a toilet-paper bypass filter and he claimed his oil was not black. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks
What would be the BEST oil to use then? --R On 4/16/2010 9:31 AM, Peter T. Arnold wrote: Soot = Carbon Carbon = Lubricant so Soot = lubricant F-soot is 100% ok as long as it doesn't exceed the oil makers requirements. This is an oil thread in disguise. -- Pete Arnold ‹(•¿•)› My Mind Not Only Wanders, Sometimes it Leaves Completely! On 4/16/2010 9:20 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: I dunno if its true but I could believe it. The black is supposed to be soot and the TP filter is supposed to remove soot... -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:35:57 -0400 From: Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue,now cleaningcrud from tanks Message-ID:m1y6go9ihu@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Black oil is normal, it'll ALWAYS be like that. 2 seconds after you put in fresh honey colored oil it'll be black as night, nothing to worry about. IIRC, a long time ago there was someone on the list who had a toilet-paper bypass filter and he claimed his oil was not black. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks
Peter T. Arnold wrote: Soot = Carbon Carbon = Lubricant so Soot = lubricant Diamond dust = Carbon Carbon = lubricant so Diamond dust = lubricant Step 2 is where the proof fails. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 6:08 AM, Tim C. bb...@crone.us wrote: You should also do bearings I believe, if you don't have maintenance history. I haven't done mine yet but I think they are due every 15k. 15K?!? What kind of Benz are we talking about here again? I've never done wheel bearings on any of my 124s and 126s. Always figured I would just wait for them to get noisy. Now sitting here biting my nails with the mental picture of a wheel flying off on the highway... ;) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks
Depends on desired result. -- Pete Arnold 32° ‹(•¿•)› There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway On 4/16/2010 9:36 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: What would be the BEST oil to use then? --R On 4/16/2010 9:31 AM, Peter T. Arnold wrote: Soot = Carbon Carbon = Lubricant so Soot = lubricant F-soot is 100% ok as long as it doesn't exceed the oil makers requirements. This is an oil thread in disguise. -- Pete Arnold ‹(•¿•)› My Mind Not Only Wanders, Sometimes it Leaves Completely! On 4/16/2010 9:20 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: I dunno if its true but I could believe it. The black is supposed to be soot and the TP filter is supposed to remove soot... -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:35:57 -0400 From: Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue,now cleaningcrud from tanks Message-ID:m1y6go9ihu@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Black oil is normal, it'll ALWAYS be like that. 2 seconds after you put in fresh honey colored oil it'll be black as night, nothing to worry about. IIRC, a long time ago there was someone on the list who had a toilet-paper bypass filter and he claimed his oil was not black. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks
Dunno about 124 and 126 but on a 123 if they're noisy you need NEW bearings. Repacking them will help to prevent needing new ones. My 201 never did get noisy before the bearings catastrophically failed. Fortunately MB brake design means the wheel doesn't fall off. -Curt Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 06:55:16 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks Message-ID: p2sf7b6bd1a1004160655y68e8dc78ob512e9ae4133b...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 6:08 AM, Tim C. bb...@crone.us wrote: You should also do bearings I believe, if you don't have maintenance history. ?I haven't done mine yet but I think they are due every 15k. 15K?!? What kind of Benz are we talking about here again? I've never done wheel bearings on any of my 124s and 126s. Always figured I would just wait for them to get noisy. Now sitting here biting my nails with the mental picture of a wheel flying off on the highway... ;) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks
Diamonds=carbon; diamonds should then lubricate... Speaking of carbon, coal is carbon and so are diamonds... Give swmbo a coal ring and explain that it's all carbon... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Apr 16, 2010, at 9:31, Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net wrote: Soot = Carbon Carbon = Lubricant so Soot = lubricant F-soot is 100% ok as long as it doesn't exceed the oil makers requirements. This is an oil thread in disguise. -- Pete Arnold ‹(•¿•)› My Mind Not Only Wanders, Sometimes it Leaves Completely! On 4/16/2010 9:20 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: I dunno if its true but I could believe it. The black is supposed to be soot and the TP filter is supposed to remove soot... -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:35:57 -0400 From: Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue,now cleaningcrud from tanks Message-ID:m1y6go9ihu@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Black oil is normal, it'll ALWAYS be like that. 2 seconds after you put in fresh honey colored oil it'll be black as night, nothing to worry about. IIRC, a long time ago there was someone on the list who had a toilet-paper bypass filter and he claimed his oil was not black. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks
M1 turbo diesel, or whatever is equivalent... That and the formula m have the high zddp (1200?) levels that our old models like to see... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Apr 16, 2010, at 9:36, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: What would be the BEST oil to use then? --R On 4/16/2010 9:31 AM, Peter T. Arnold wrote: Soot = Carbon Carbon = Lubricant so Soot = lubricant F-soot is 100% ok as long as it doesn't exceed the oil makers requirements. This is an oil thread in disguise. -- Pete Arnold ‹(•¿•)› My Mind Not Only Wanders, Sometimes it Leaves Completely! On 4/16/2010 9:20 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: I dunno if its true but I could believe it. The black is supposed to be soot and the TP filter is supposed to remove soot... -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:35:57 -0400 From: Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks Message-ID:m1y6go9ihu@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Black oil is normal, it'll ALWAYS be like that. 2 seconds after you put in fresh honey colored oil it'll be black as night, nothing to worry about. IIRC, a long time ago there was someone on the list who had a toilet-paper bypass filter and he claimed his oil was not black. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks
Oh look, he took the bait! --R On 4/16/2010 4:46 PM, John Reames wrote: M1 turbo diesel, or whatever is equivalent... That and the formula m have the high zddp (1200?) levels that our old models like to see... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Apr 16, 2010, at 9:36, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: What would be the BEST oil to use then? --R On 4/16/2010 9:31 AM, Peter T. Arnold wrote: Soot = Carbon Carbon = Lubricant so Soot = lubricant F-soot is 100% ok as long as it doesn't exceed the oil makers requirements. This is an oil thread in disguise. -- Pete Arnold ‹(•¿•)› My Mind Not Only Wanders, Sometimes it Leaves Completely! On 4/16/2010 9:20 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: I dunno if its true but I could believe it. The black is supposed to be soot and the TP filter is supposed to remove soot... -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:35:57 -0400 From: Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue,now cleaningcrud from tanks Message-ID:m1y6go9ihu@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Black oil is normal, it'll ALWAYS be like that. 2 seconds after you put in fresh honey colored oil it'll be black as night, nothing to worry about. IIRC, a long time ago there was someone on the list who had a toilet-paper bypass filter and he claimed his oil was not black. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks
Well it was either that or slashing you behind the knees with a dipstick... ;) -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Apr 16, 2010, at 17:21, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Oh look, he took the bait! --R On 4/16/2010 4:46 PM, John Reames wrote: M1 turbo diesel, or whatever is equivalent... That and the formula m have the high zddp (1200?) levels that our old models like to see... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Apr 16, 2010, at 9:36, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: What would be the BEST oil to use then? --R On 4/16/2010 9:31 AM, Peter T. Arnold wrote: Soot = Carbon Carbon = Lubricant so Soot = lubricant F-soot is 100% ok as long as it doesn't exceed the oil makers requirements. This is an oil thread in disguise. -- Pete Arnold ‹(•¿•)› My Mind Not Only Wanders, Sometimes it Leaves Completely! On 4/16/2010 9:20 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: I dunno if its true but I could believe it. The black is supposed to be soot and the TP filter is supposed to remove soot... -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:35:57 -0400 From: Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue,now cleaningcrud from tanks Message-ID:m1y6go9ihu@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Black oil is normal, it'll ALWAYS be like that. 2 seconds after you put in fresh honey colored oil it'll be black as night, nothing to worry about. IIRC, a long time ago there was someone on the list who had a toilet-paper bypass filter and he claimed his oil was not black. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Tim C. bb...@crone.us wrote: And might not be necessary if you take care of it in time. And no one knows what in time is so sooner is better. :) Rarely, unless you have bad fuel or a bug infection. In the latter case, I think three or four of each is conservative. Well, if I'm seeing what I'm supposed to be seeing, the fuel looks almost as black as the oil. So . that's most likely extremely bad. I'd seek the list wisdom on this sequencing. Seems like maladjusted valves could cause more damage than bad motor mounts? And similarly transmission fluid/filter, unless you are sure this thing was well-maintained up to parking. Turn signal I would do last, of course, if the lamp is still there, not least because one might turn up on ebay for cheap. You should also do bearings I believe, if you don't have maintenance history. I haven't done mine yet but I think they are due every 15k. Similarly rear differential but they may do that with your transmission. Actually, I'm pretty sure well maintained has never entered the same sentence as Ol' Frau. She's been driven pretty hard from what I can see. I'm not an expert, yet, but I just have a feeling that this is the case. I did read in the owner's manual that the transmission needs serviced and a new filter *every 30,000* and the odometer, which is exempted because it's already so high, is at 319,000 and change. I'm very, very afraid to see what the transmission filter looks like. Car was very hard to start again this morning. Fearing for this winter. Valves, glow plugs, fuel leakdown, poor fuel flow, or something more serious. Since you may be dealing with poor flow already (critters, air leak, or tuning) I'd say deal with that and worry about the slow start later, worst case you're cutting a little off the lifetime of the battery if it turns out you have a shorted glow plug or something. You've got a long time until winter. :) The glow plugs are brand new. Just had them put in a couple of weeks ago. The oil is Rolls Royce Sapphire Black, the fuel not far from it. The engine is pretty black too, from the leak. So I'm not even sure if the valve cover is the only leak. They are expensive at first, aren't they? I always forget that part. Enjoy, -Tim They are expensive if the PO didn't care about them, as it seems is my case. But I still feel I got a good deal, so I'm still working it from that angle. EdB -- I've come to your planet on a Class IV Intergalactic Doom Freighter. - Adrian Monk ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks
Black oil is normal, it'll look like that about 10 minutes after an oil change. Black fuel isn't normal. Get some biocide at a marine good store (West Marine) and get several sets of filters from Rusty (two or three big filters, four or six inline filters). Carry the tools to change both in the car, as well as some filters. Reminds me that I need to check my inline filter, I just changed it and treated the fuel because the filter was filling up with brown sludgy stuff. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Ed Booher Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:31 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue,now cleaningcrud from tanks On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Tim C. bb...@crone.us wrote: And might not be necessary if you take care of it in time. And no one knows what in time is so sooner is better. :) Rarely, unless you have bad fuel or a bug infection. In the latter case, I think three or four of each is conservative. Well, if I'm seeing what I'm supposed to be seeing, the fuel looks almost as black as the oil. So . that's most likely extremely bad. I'd seek the list wisdom on this sequencing. Seems like maladjusted valves could cause more damage than bad motor mounts? And similarly transmission fluid/filter, unless you are sure this thing was well-maintained up to parking. Turn signal I would do last, of course, if the lamp is still there, not least because one might turn up on ebay for cheap. You should also do bearings I believe, if you don't have maintenance history. I haven't done mine yet but I think they are due every 15k. Similarly rear differential but they may do that with your transmission. Actually, I'm pretty sure well maintained has never entered the same sentence as Ol' Frau. She's been driven pretty hard from what I can see. I'm not an expert, yet, but I just have a feeling that this is the case. I did read in the owner's manual that the transmission needs serviced and a new filter *every 30,000* and the odometer, which is exempted because it's already so high, is at 319,000 and change. I'm very, very afraid to see what the transmission filter looks like. Car was very hard to start again this morning. Fearing for this winter. Valves, glow plugs, fuel leakdown, poor fuel flow, or something more serious. Since you may be dealing with poor flow already (critters, air leak, or tuning) I'd say deal with that and worry about the slow start later, worst case you're cutting a little off the lifetime of the battery if it turns out you have a shorted glow plug or something. You've got a long time until winter. :) The glow plugs are brand new. Just had them put in a couple of weeks ago. The oil is Rolls Royce Sapphire Black, the fuel not far from it. The engine is pretty black too, from the leak. So I'm not even sure if the valve cover is the only leak. They are expensive at first, aren't they? I always forget that part. Enjoy, -Tim They are expensive if the PO didn't care about them, as it seems is my case. But I still feel I got a good deal, so I'm still working it from that angle. EdB -- I've come to your planet on a Class IV Intergalactic Doom Freighter. - Adrian Monk ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks
If the transmission is shifting fine, and the fluid doesn't smell burned, I think that you won't find anything too bad when you finally do it. Be warned that the screws holding the pan to the tranny are very low torque (7 or 8 ft lbs) and exceeding that will warp the pan and cause leaks. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Ed Booher Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:31 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue,now cleaningcrud from tanks On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Tim C. bb...@crone.us wrote: And might not be necessary if you take care of it in time. And no one knows what in time is so sooner is better. :) Rarely, unless you have bad fuel or a bug infection. In the latter case, I think three or four of each is conservative. Well, if I'm seeing what I'm supposed to be seeing, the fuel looks almost as black as the oil. So . that's most likely extremely bad. I'd seek the list wisdom on this sequencing. Seems like maladjusted valves could cause more damage than bad motor mounts? And similarly transmission fluid/filter, unless you are sure this thing was well-maintained up to parking. Turn signal I would do last, of course, if the lamp is still there, not least because one might turn up on ebay for cheap. You should also do bearings I believe, if you don't have maintenance history. I haven't done mine yet but I think they are due every 15k. Similarly rear differential but they may do that with your transmission. Actually, I'm pretty sure well maintained has never entered the same sentence as Ol' Frau. She's been driven pretty hard from what I can see. I'm not an expert, yet, but I just have a feeling that this is the case. I did read in the owner's manual that the transmission needs serviced and a new filter *every 30,000* and the odometer, which is exempted because it's already so high, is at 319,000 and change. I'm very, very afraid to see what the transmission filter looks like. Car was very hard to start again this morning. Fearing for this winter. Valves, glow plugs, fuel leakdown, poor fuel flow, or something more serious. Since you may be dealing with poor flow already (critters, air leak, or tuning) I'd say deal with that and worry about the slow start later, worst case you're cutting a little off the lifetime of the battery if it turns out you have a shorted glow plug or something. You've got a long time until winter. :) The glow plugs are brand new. Just had them put in a couple of weeks ago. The oil is Rolls Royce Sapphire Black, the fuel not far from it. The engine is pretty black too, from the leak. So I'm not even sure if the valve cover is the only leak. They are expensive at first, aren't they? I always forget that part. Enjoy, -Tim They are expensive if the PO didn't care about them, as it seems is my case. But I still feel I got a good deal, so I'm still working it from that angle. EdB -- I've come to your planet on a Class IV Intergalactic Doom Freighter. - Adrian Monk ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks
Black oil is normal, it'll ALWAYS be like that. 2 seconds after you put in fresh honey colored oil it'll be black as night, nothing to worry about. -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:30:44 -0400 From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks Message-ID: k2p446c86e31004150630j42343b63s615e988eb501a...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Tim C. bb...@crone.us wrote: The oil is Rolls Royce Sapphire Black, the fuel not far from it. The engine is pretty black too, from the leak. So I'm not even sure if the valve cover is the only leak. EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks
But if you have not changed the oil, that should be a priority. Fortunately, it is something you can do yourself, either by draining, or by using a Wilton special oil sucker. When you send in a parts order to Rusty, add an oil filter. If you are in a bind, and have to get one locally, find a Wix. Don't buy the Mcparts regulars: fram, autolite, STP etc. Best is to always have spare fuel and oil filters from Rusty on hand. Black oil is normal, it'll ALWAYS be like that. 2 seconds after you put in fresh honey colored oil it'll be black as night, nothing to worry about. -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:30:44 -0400 From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue,now cleaningcrud from tanks Message-ID: k2p446c86e31004150630j42343b63s615e988eb501a...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Tim C. bb...@crone.us wrote: The oil is Rolls Royce Sapphire Black, the fuel not far from it. The engine is pretty black too, from the leak. So I'm not even sure if the valve cover is the only leak. EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks
I think oil in mine is black about 2 minutes after starting after an oil change; 'point is it's quick, anyway. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue,now cleaningcrud from tanks Black oil is normal, it'll look like that about 10 minutes after an oil change. Black fuel isn't normal. Get some biocide at a marine good store (West Marine) and get several sets of filters from Rusty (two or three big filters, four or six inline filters). Carry the tools to change both in the car, as well as some filters. Reminds me that I need to check my inline filter, I just changed it and treated the fuel because the filter was filling up with brown sludgy stuff. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Ed Booher Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:31 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue,now cleaningcrud from tanks On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Tim C. bb...@crone.us wrote: And might not be necessary if you take care of it in time. And no one knows what in time is so sooner is better. :) Rarely, unless you have bad fuel or a bug infection. In the latter case, I think three or four of each is conservative. Well, if I'm seeing what I'm supposed to be seeing, the fuel looks almost as black as the oil. So . that's most likely extremely bad. I'd seek the list wisdom on this sequencing. Seems like maladjusted valves could cause more damage than bad motor mounts? And similarly transmission fluid/filter, unless you are sure this thing was well-maintained up to parking. Turn signal I would do last, of course, if the lamp is still there, not least because one might turn up on ebay for cheap. You should also do bearings I believe, if you don't have maintenance history. I haven't done mine yet but I think they are due every 15k. Similarly rear differential but they may do that with your transmission. Actually, I'm pretty sure well maintained has never entered the same sentence as Ol' Frau. She's been driven pretty hard from what I can see. I'm not an expert, yet, but I just have a feeling that this is the case. I did read in the owner's manual that the transmission needs serviced and a new filter *every 30,000* and the odometer, which is exempted because it's already so high, is at 319,000 and change. I'm very, very afraid to see what the transmission filter looks like. Car was very hard to start again this morning. Fearing for this winter. Valves, glow plugs, fuel leakdown, poor fuel flow, or something more serious. Since you may be dealing with poor flow already (critters, air leak, or tuning) I'd say deal with that and worry about the slow start later, worst case you're cutting a little off the lifetime of the battery if it turns out you have a shorted glow plug or something. You've got a long time until winter. :) The glow plugs are brand new. Just had them put in a couple of weeks ago. The oil is Rolls Royce Sapphire Black, the fuel not far from it. The engine is pretty black too, from the leak. So I'm not even sure if the valve cover is the only leak. They are expensive at first, aren't they? I always forget that part. Enjoy, -Tim They are expensive if the PO didn't care about them, as it seems is my case. But I still feel I got a good deal, so I'm still working it from that angle. EdB -- I've come to your planet on a Class IV Intergalactic Doom Freighter. - Adrian Monk ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Black oil is normal, it'll ALWAYS be like that. 2 seconds after you put in fresh honey colored oil it'll be black as night, nothing to worry about. IIRC, a long time ago there was someone on the list who had a toilet-paper bypass filter and he claimed his oil was not black. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks
Rich: procedure to clean the tank would not be easy to do at a car wash unless And might not be necessary if you take care of it in time. And no one knows what in time is so sooner is better. :) How often do I change the fuel filters? Rarely, unless you have bad fuel or a bug infection. In the latter case, I think three or four of each is conservative. That, unfortunately, requires more money than I have right now. I already know I need motor mounts, valve adjustment, valve cover gasket mechanically, as well as a turn signal lens as mine is broken. But one thing at a time, really. The end of this month I'll be getting the mounts replaced, end of next will be have the valve servicing done. I'd seek the list wisdom on this sequencing. Seems like maladjusted valves could cause more damage than bad motor mounts? And similarly transmission fluid/filter, unless you are sure this thing was well-maintained up to parking. Turn signal I would do last, of course, if the lamp is still there, not least because one might turn up on ebay for cheap. You should also do bearings I believe, if you don't have maintenance history. I haven't done mine yet but I think they are due every 15k. Similarly rear differential but they may do that with your transmission. Car was very hard to start again this morning. Fearing for this winter. Valves, glow plugs, fuel leakdown, poor fuel flow, or something more serious. Since you may be dealing with poor flow already (critters, air leak, or tuning) I'd say deal with that and worry about the slow start later, worst case you're cutting a little off the lifetime of the battery if it turns out you have a shorted glow plug or something. You've got a long time until winter. :) They are expensive at first, aren't they? I always forget that part. Enjoy, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
