Re: [MBZ] Engine swap 1984 300D to 1983 240D
Thanks. Good info.
Michael E. Esh
> On Mar 21, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>
> On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:38:26 -0400 Michael Esh via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
> I converted a '82 240D from a four-cylinder engine with an automatic
> transmission to a five-cylinder naturally-aspirated engine with a manual
> transmission at the conclusion of my grad school stint. I was fortunate
> to have a 123.123 Euro car on hand at a nearby salvage yard from which to
> get parts. I chose the naturally-aspirated engine because I wanted simple
> and did not want the complication of a turbo engine.
>
>
>> will the 240D transmission matchup to 300D without modifications or
>> performance issues?
>
> It should bolt up straight away. If it does not, there is a "plate" on
> the back of each engine to which the bellhousing bolts which you can take
> from the OM616.912 to bolt onto the OM617.952. That is referenced in the
> list below as 110 011 15 45.
>
>
>> The 240 has manual HVAC that I want keep.
>
> Yes, the sensible thing to do! That was one of the benefits I had when I
> turned the 240D into the 240D/3.0. I did the swap primarily, though,
> because the 240D automatic transmission was severely damaged deep inside
> and I thought the OM616 was weak as well. I didn't want to spend $2500 to
> have Ben's Workshop in Austin, TX replace the transmission and still have
> the OM616.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
> P.S. The list of part numbers I developed (with a terminal "R" meaning
> I bought the part from Rusty and a terminal "D" meaning I bought
> the part from the Mercedes Dealer in Austin) is:
>
> Lock lube001 989 26 51 10
> Key Blank Head000 766 44 06
> R main fuel filter001 092 05 01 R
> main fuel filter o-rings007 603 01 81 01
> inline fuel filter001 477 79 01 R
> oil filter617 180 00 09 R
> oil filter cover stem o-rings015 997 94 48 R
> air filter001 094 95 04 R
> Vacuum line oil trapping filter000 078 06 56
>
> Steering damper000 463 51 32 R
> 617 engine shock absorbers123 240 09 48 R
> 617 transmission mount123 240 25 18 R
> 617 motor mount123 241 30 13 R
> 617 engine shock weld bracket, left123 620 13 14 D
> 617 engine shock weld bracket, right123 620 14 14 D
> 617 engine lower oil pan115 010 04 28 R
>
> air cleaner mounting isolators617 988 01 11 D
> 617 improved crankcase ventilation hose617 018 01 82 R
> 617 manifold gasket617 142 07 80 R
> exhaust manifold to tail pipe bolts304 017 08 53 D
> exhaust manifold to tail pipe nuts000 990 32 50 D
> water pump110 200 17 20 R
> power steering pump mounting bolts304 014 08 09 D
> power steering pump mounting bolt washers000 137 08 204 D
> tail pipe hangers ("rubber donuts")124 492 00 44 D
>
> prechamber616 010 01 52 R
> prechamber seal ring615 017 00 60 R
> injector nozzle plate (seal) type 1617 017 03 60 R
>" " " "type 2601 017 00 60 R
> injector return line615 476 03 26 D
> injector return line plug403 070 00 55 D
> injection pump mounting gasket616 074 00 80 R
> large banjo bolt copper seal ringN007603014405 R
> small banjo bolt copper seal ring007 603 012 111 R
> fuel pump/main filter plastic hose w/banjo fit.615 070 42 32 R
> inj. pump/injector return plasic hose w/banj.ft 615 070 56 32 R
> inj. pump plastic fuel hose w/banjo fittings615 070 40 32 R
> diesel fuel return007 997 16 82 R
>
> engine plate (to which bell housing bolts)110 011 15 45
> manual transmission pilot bearing115 980 01 15 R
> manual transmission flywheel-to-crank bolts615 032 05 71 R
> 615, 616 stick-shift flywheel115 032 06 01
> 617 stick-shift flywheel617 032 00 01
> clutch disk010 250 34 03 R
> clutch pressure plate004 250 32 04 R
> clutch throw-out bearing000 250 55 15 R
> clutch slave cylinder001 295 68 07 R
> clutch slave cylinder to bell housing gasket110 138 41 30 D
> clutch master cylinder/brake reservoir tubing009 997 38 82 D
> Transmission tunnel hole plug000 997 40 20 D
> Bellhousing inspection hole plug617 014 04 33 R
> clutch switch to cutoff cruise control004 545 18 14 D
> clutch switch mounting nut000 439 08 213 D
> clutch switch mounting lock washer000 137 08 212 D
> clutch switch bracket123 545 21 40 D
> clutch switch bracket mounting bolt304 017 06 16 D
> clutch switch bracket mounting lockwasher912 004 06 102 D
> clutch switch bracket mounting nut304 032 06 04 D
>
> driveshaft
Re: [MBZ] Engine swap 1984 300D to 1983 240D
Good trivia to know. I learned something new today. Thanks! -D > On Mar 21, 2020, at 6:31 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes > wrote: > > The 240D used the 722.117 (W 4 B 025) automatic. > > The 300D Turbo used the 722.315 (W 4 B 040) automatic. > > The trailing number (040) refers to the maximum torque that the transmission > can handle. A 240D automatic will be destroyed fairly quickly by the > additional "power" emerging from the 3L turbo engine. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Engine swap 1984 300D to 1983 240D
The 240D used the 722.117 (W 4 B 025) automatic. The 300D Turbo used the 722.315 (W 4 B 040) automatic. The trailing number (040) refers to the maximum torque that the transmission can handle. A 240D automatic will be destroyed fairly quickly by the additional "power" emerging from the 3L turbo engine. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Engine swap 1984 300D to 1983 240D
Yea I meant to say tranny behind the turbo motor Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 21, 2020, at 12:06 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > That's because it would be in front of the tranny! > > However, I thought the turbo and NA tranny's were different. > >> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 11:54 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> I have never heard of a turbo engine motor engine behind a 240d automatic. >> >> > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Engine swap 1984 300D to 1983 240D
On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:38:26 -0400 Michael Esh via Mercedes
wrote:
I converted a '82 240D from a four-cylinder engine with an automatic
transmission to a five-cylinder naturally-aspirated engine with a manual
transmission at the conclusion of my grad school stint. I was fortunate
to have a 123.123 Euro car on hand at a nearby salvage yard from which to
get parts. I chose the naturally-aspirated engine because I wanted simple
and did not want the complication of a turbo engine.
> will the 240D transmission matchup to 300D without modifications or
> performance issues?
It should bolt up straight away. If it does not, there is a "plate" on
the back of each engine to which the bellhousing bolts which you can take
from the OM616.912 to bolt onto the OM617.952. That is referenced in the
list below as 110 011 15 45.
> The 240 has manual HVAC that I want keep.
Yes, the sensible thing to do! That was one of the benefits I had when I
turned the 240D into the 240D/3.0. I did the swap primarily, though,
because the 240D automatic transmission was severely damaged deep inside
and I thought the OM616 was weak as well. I didn't want to spend $2500 to
have Ben's Workshop in Austin, TX replace the transmission and still have
the OM616.
Craig
P.S. The list of part numbers I developed (with a terminal "R" meaning
I bought the part from Rusty and a terminal "D" meaning I bought
the part from the Mercedes Dealer in Austin) is:
Lock lube 001 989 26 51 10
Key Blank Head 000 766 44 06
R main fuel filter 001 092 05 01 R
main fuel filter o-rings007 603 01 81 01
inline fuel filter 001 477 79 01 R
oil filter 617 180 00 09 R
oil filter cover stem o-rings 015 997 94 48 R
air filter 001 094 95 04 R
Vacuum line oil trapping filter 000 078 06 56
Steering damper 000 463 51 32 R
617 engine shock absorbers 123 240 09 48 R
617 transmission mount 123 240 25 18 R
617 motor mount 123 241 30 13 R
617 engine shock weld bracket, left 123 620 13 14 D
617 engine shock weld bracket, right123 620 14 14 D
617 engine lower oil pan115 010 04 28 R
air cleaner mounting isolators 617 988 01 11 D
617 improved crankcase ventilation hose 617 018 01 82 R
617 manifold gasket 617 142 07 80 R
exhaust manifold to tail pipe bolts 304 017 08 53 D
exhaust manifold to tail pipe nuts 000 990 32 50 D
water pump 110 200 17 20 R
power steering pump mounting bolts 304 014 08 09 D
power steering pump mounting bolt washers 000 137 08 204 D
tail pipe hangers ("rubber donuts") 124 492 00 44 D
prechamber 616 010 01 52 R
prechamber seal ring615 017 00 60 R
injector nozzle plate (seal) type 1 617 017 03 60 R
" " " "type 2 601 017 00 60 R
injector return line615 476 03 26 D
injector return line plug 403 070 00 55 D
injection pump mounting gasket 616 074 00 80 R
large banjo bolt copper seal ring N007603014405 R
small banjo bolt copper seal ring 007 603 012 111 R
fuel pump/main filter plastic hose w/banjo fit. 615 070 42 32 R
inj. pump/injector return plasic hose w/banj.ft 615 070 56 32 R
inj. pump plastic fuel hose w/banjo fittings615 070 40 32 R
diesel fuel return 007 997 16 82 R
engine plate (to which bell housing bolts) 110 011 15 45
manual transmission pilot bearing 115 980 01 15 R
manual transmission flywheel-to-crank bolts 615 032 05 71 R
615, 616 stick-shift flywheel 115 032 06 01
617 stick-shift flywheel617 032 00 01
clutch disk 010 250 34 03 R
clutch pressure plate 004 250 32 04 R
clutch throw-out bearing000 250 55 15 R
clutch slave cylinder 001 295 68 07 R
clutch slave cylinder to bell housing gasket110 138 41 30 D
clutch master cylinder/brake reservoir tubing 009 997 38 82 D
Transmission tunnel hole plug 000 997 40 20 D
Bellhousing inspection hole plug617 014 04 33 R
clutch switch to cutoff cruise control 004 545 18 14 D
clutch switch mounting nut 000 439 08 213 D
clutch switch mounting lock washer 000 137 08 212 D
clutch switch bracket 123 545 21 40 D
clutch switch bracket
Re: [MBZ] Engine swap 1984 300D to 1983 240D
That's because it would be in front of the tranny! However, I thought the turbo and NA tranny's were different. On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 11:54 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I have never heard of a turbo engine motor engine behind a 240d automatic. > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Engine swap 1984 300D to 1983 240D
I have never heard of a turbo engine motor engine behind a 240d automatic. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 21, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Mike Esh via Mercedes > wrote: > > >> >> Both are automatics The 300D transmission is trash, > > > Transmission in 240D is good, transimssion in 300D is trash. > > >> On Mar 21, 2020, at 12:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I agree with Floyd. Unless there’s a difference in transmissions, why not >> just swap the whole assembly (engine/transmission)? It’s far easier to do it >> that way, too. >> >> Everything should bolt up, I would expect. Good time to replace stuff like >> motor mounts and fuel lines while you’ve got the engine out, too. >> >> -D >> On Mar 21, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> >>> I have a rust free 1983 240D with a worn out engine and a rusted out 84 >>> 300D with a strong engine. Looking for a write up or link to any >>> information on moving the engine from 1984 300D turbo chassis to 1983 240D >>> chassis >>> Both are automatics The 300D transmission is trash, will the 240D >>> transmission matchup to 300D without modifications or performance issues? >>> The 240 has manual HVAC that I want keep. >>> >>> I’ve already moved the differential from the 300D to the 240D and like the >>> better highway performance however the 240 engine is pretty worn out and >>> showing its age. >>> Any help would be appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Mike >>> >>> Michael E. Esh >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Engine swap 1984 300D to 1983 240D
> Both are automatics The 300D transmission is trash, Transmission in 240D is good, transimssion in 300D is trash. > On Mar 21, 2020, at 12:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > I agree with Floyd. Unless there’s a difference in transmissions, why not > just swap the whole assembly (engine/transmission)? It’s far easier to do it > that way, too. > > Everything should bolt up, I would expect. Good time to replace stuff like > motor mounts and fuel lines while you’ve got the engine out, too. > > -D > >> On Mar 21, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >> I have a rust free 1983 240D with a worn out engine and a rusted out 84 300D >> with a strong engine. Looking for a write up or link to any information on >> moving the engine from 1984 300D turbo chassis to 1983 240D chassis >> Both are automatics The 300D transmission is trash, will the 240D >> transmission matchup to 300D without modifications or performance issues? >> The 240 has manual HVAC that I want keep. >> >> I’ve already moved the differential from the 300D to the 240D and like the >> better highway performance however the 240 engine is pretty worn out and >> showing its age. >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks >> Mike >> >> Michael E. Esh >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Engine swap 1984 300D to 1983 240D
On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 12:11:29 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > I agree with Floyd. Unless there’s a difference in transmissions, why > not just swap the whole assembly (engine/transmission)? It’s far easier > to do it that way, too. > > Everything should bolt up, I would expect. Good time to replace stuff > like motor mounts and fuel lines while you’ve got the engine out, too. Note his comment about the 300D transmission: > > 240D chassis Both are automatics The 300D transmission is trash, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Engine swap 1984 300D to 1983 240D
I agree with Floyd. Unless there’s a difference in transmissions, why not just swap the whole assembly (engine/transmission)? It’s far easier to do it that way, too. Everything should bolt up, I would expect. Good time to replace stuff like motor mounts and fuel lines while you’ve got the engine out, too. -D > On Mar 21, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes > wrote: > > > I have a rust free 1983 240D with a worn out engine and a rusted out 84 300D > with a strong engine. Looking for a write up or link to any information on > moving the engine from 1984 300D turbo chassis to 1983 240D chassis > Both are automatics The 300D transmission is trash, will the 240D > transmission matchup to 300D without modifications or performance issues? > The 240 has manual HVAC that I want keep. > > I’ve already moved the differential from the 300D to the 240D and like the > better highway performance however the 240 engine is pretty worn out and > showing its age. > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks > Mike > > Michael E. Esh > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Engine swap 1984 300D to 1983 240D
Is the 300 tranny bad? Just swap the whole kit in the 240 chassis? I have not done it myself so don't know any particular details. --FT On 3/21/20 11:38 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes wrote: I have a rust free 1983 240D with a worn out engine and a rusted out 84 300D with a strong engine. Looking for a write up or link to any information on moving the engine from 1984 300D turbo chassis to 1983 240D chassis Both are automatics The 300D transmission is trash, will the 240D transmission matchup to 300D without modifications or performance issues? The 240 has manual HVAC that I want keep. I’ve already moved the differential from the 300D to the 240D and like the better highway performance however the 240 engine is pretty worn out and showing its age. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Mike Michael E. Esh ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Engine swap 1984 300D to 1983 240D
I have a rust free 1983 240D with a worn out engine and a rusted out 84 300D with a strong engine. Looking for a write up or link to any information on moving the engine from 1984 300D turbo chassis to 1983 240D chassis Both are automatics The 300D transmission is trash, will the 240D transmission matchup to 300D without modifications or performance issues? The 240 has manual HVAC that I want keep. I’ve already moved the differential from the 300D to the 240D and like the better highway performance however the 240 engine is pretty worn out and showing its age. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Mike Michael E. Esh ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
