Re: [MBZ] Epic double tranny swap/conversion week
It is the greatest feeling to hear the engine fire up after putting so much time and effort into a project. Nice job Don and son. Mike On Apr 3, 2010, at 9:00 PM, OK Don wrote: The new keys arrived this afternoon - followed shortly by the son. We took battery off of the trickle charger, installed it, shifted into neutral (in case the clutch wasn't actually bled), and turned the key. THe engine fired right up, no extra cranking (we filled the new fuel filter with Diesel Purge), and it sounded good. My son noticed right away that it was quieter, and didn't shake as much. We moved the engine shock (which was missing in this car) from the other one, as well as the engine locating bracket/ rubber under the rear of the crankcase. They do make a difference! We then rolled it down the drive a couple of yards, he pushed in the clutch pedal, and gingerly tried first gear - success! He took it around the neighborhood, and declared victory. No leaks when he got back, it drives nice a smooth. Next, he needs to replace the driveshaft center bearing - it's getting gravely, and the timing chain - the wear is up to 5 degrees. His expression of satisfaction at having completed the job was worth the week of vacation time, the money, sweat, and blood --- -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Epic double tranny swap/conversion week
The new keys arrived this afternoon - followed shortly by the son. We took battery off of the trickle charger, installed it, shifted into neutral (in case the clutch wasn't actually bled), and turned the key. THe engine fired right up, no extra cranking (we filled the new fuel filter with Diesel Purge), and it sounded good. My son noticed right away that it was quieter, and didn't shake as much. We moved the engine shock (which was missing in this car) from the other one, as well as the engine locating bracket/rubber under the rear of the crankcase. They do make a difference! We then rolled it down the drive a couple of yards, he pushed in the clutch pedal, and gingerly tried first gear - success! He took it around the neighborhood, and declared victory. No leaks when he got back, it drives nice a smooth. Next, he needs to replace the driveshaft center bearing - it's getting gravely, and the timing chain - the wear is up to 5 degrees. His expression of satisfaction at having completed the job was worth the week of vacation time, the money, sweat, and blood --- -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Epic double tranny swap/conversion week
So now you have the blue car with a manny tranny in it? Are you going to put the other one back on the road or what? OK Don wrote: The new keys arrived this afternoon - followed shortly by the son. We took battery off of the trickle charger, installed it, shifted into neutral (in case the clutch wasn't actually bled), and turned the key. THe engine fired right up, no extra cranking (we filled the new fuel filter with Diesel Purge), and it sounded good. My son noticed right away that it was quieter, and didn't shake as much. We moved the engine shock (which was missing in this car) from the other one, as well as the engine locating bracket/rubber under the rear of the crankcase. They do make a difference! We then rolled it down the drive a couple of yards, he pushed in the clutch pedal, and gingerly tried first gear - success! He took it around the neighborhood, and declared victory. No leaks when he got back, it drives nice a smooth. Next, he needs to replace the driveshaft center bearing - it's getting gravely, and the timing chain - the wear is up to 5 degrees. His expression of satisfaction at having completed the job was worth the week of vacation time, the money, sweat, and blood --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.800 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2785 - Release Date: 04/02/10 01:32:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Epic double tranny swap/conversion week
Contrats! Glad the effort worked. The new keys arrived this afternoon - followed shortly by the son. We took battery off of the trickle charger, installed it, shifted into neutral (in case the clutch wasn't actually bled), and turned the key. THe engine fired right up, no extra cranking (we filled the new fuel filter with Diesel Purge), and it sounded good. My son noticed right away that it was quieter, and didn't shake as much. We moved the engine shock (which was missing in this car) from the other one, as well as the engine locating bracket/rubber under the rear of the crankcase. They do make a difference! We then rolled it down the drive a couple of yards, he pushed in the clutch pedal, and gingerly tried first gear - success! He took it around the neighborhood, and declared victory. No leaks when he got back, it drives nice a smooth. Next, he needs to replace the driveshaft center bearing - it's getting gravely, and the timing chain - the wear is up to 5 degrees. His expression of satisfaction at having completed the job was worth the week of vacation time, the money, sweat, and blood --- -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Epic double tranny swap/conversion week
Yes - the blue car is manny now. The gold car is sitting. We'll probably sell the engine, auto tranny, and body seperately. Make an offer on any or all parts --- On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: So now you have the blue car with a manny tranny in it? Are you going to put the other one back on the road or what? -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Epic double tranny swap/conversion week
Somebody stole he exhaust? That is weird. I have the CD somewhere Im sure, just have to find it. OK Don wrote: A week later - the update: The clutch disk pilot tool arrived Monday, and the proper sized clutch disk arrived Tuesday, so we were all set for this weekend. We got the clutch installed, the engine and tranny mated, drive shaft with new flex disks installed, the shifter linkages in place (hopefully correctly), and went to re-assemble the exhaust. Found that the rear section of the exhaust that wasn't cracked at the front flange, had been stolen from under the gold car during the week. So we patched the cracked pipe that we had, no microwave steel was handy, so we used a strip from an old license plate, a couple of clamps, and lots of muffler goo. Got the engine re-connected, filled with coolant, then called it a day, since it was dark. Today, we bled the brakes, the clutch, installed the serpentine belt, fan shroud, etc., bolted the wheels and new tires on, and were ready to re-install the battery. This is when we discovered that the key to the car is missing. my son spent most of the rest of the day looking for the key. Never did find it. We'll be placing an order with Rusty tomorrow --- He also discovered that the under dash panel didn't fit due to the extra pedal, so took the snips to it, and got it installed. Bottom line - so close, yet so far from driving it! There are several mystery vacuum lines, and some connectors on the IP that have no wires -- this is not new, both cars were in this condition when we got them. We need to find a 201 FSM CD set --- anyone have an extra? On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 8:33 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Crap - the proper sized clutch disk didn't arrive today. Two day air doesn't count for much when it takes them two days to get it to DHL. We're working outside - it's been beautiful weather so far, but it's raining now, and we're supposed to get 1-3 inches of snow tomorrow. Guess the cars will be sitting till next weekend. Crap! Got the front brakes re-done, moved the nut plates for the standard tranny rear cross member to the blue car (4 instead of the 2 used by the auto tranny). Changed the oil in the standard tranny, moved the only engine stop from the gold car to the blue one, and other minor things. I think all we have to do now for the blue car is install the clutch (if it ever gets here), bolt the tranny to the enigine, and install the package. The son found a sale on Yokohama Avids - 4 tires for $160, ready to go, so jumped on it. It should be a decent car when we get it running. Still haven't decided whether to re-assemble the gold car, or part it out. -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2777 - Release Date: 03/29/10 01:32:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Epic double tranny swap/conversion week
OK Don, et al. I have a 201 CD that you can have. Just need an address. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. On 3/28/2010 9:49 PM, OK Don wrote: There are several mystery vacuum lines, and some connectors on the IP that have no wires -- this is not new, both cars were in this condition when we got them. We need to find a 201 FSM CD set --- anyone have an extra? On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 8:33 PM, OK Donokd...@gmail.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Epic double tranny swap/conversion week
A week later - the update: The clutch disk pilot tool arrived Monday, and the proper sized clutch disk arrived Tuesday, so we were all set for this weekend. We got the clutch installed, the engine and tranny mated, drive shaft with new flex disks installed, the shifter linkages in place (hopefully correctly), and went to re-assemble the exhaust. Found that the rear section of the exhaust that wasn't cracked at the front flange, had been stolen from under the gold car during the week. So we patched the cracked pipe that we had, no microwave steel was handy, so we used a strip from an old license plate, a couple of clamps, and lots of muffler goo. Got the engine re-connected, filled with coolant, then called it a day, since it was dark. Today, we bled the brakes, the clutch, installed the serpentine belt, fan shroud, etc., bolted the wheels and new tires on, and were ready to re-install the battery. This is when we discovered that the key to the car is missing. my son spent most of the rest of the day looking for the key. Never did find it. We'll be placing an order with Rusty tomorrow --- He also discovered that the under dash panel didn't fit due to the extra pedal, so took the snips to it, and got it installed. Bottom line - so close, yet so far from driving it! There are several mystery vacuum lines, and some connectors on the IP that have no wires -- this is not new, both cars were in this condition when we got them. We need to find a 201 FSM CD set --- anyone have an extra? On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 8:33 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Crap - the proper sized clutch disk didn't arrive today. Two day air doesn't count for much when it takes them two days to get it to DHL. We're working outside - it's been beautiful weather so far, but it's raining now, and we're supposed to get 1-3 inches of snow tomorrow. Guess the cars will be sitting till next weekend. Crap! Got the front brakes re-done, moved the nut plates for the standard tranny rear cross member to the blue car (4 instead of the 2 used by the auto tranny). Changed the oil in the standard tranny, moved the only engine stop from the gold car to the blue one, and other minor things. I think all we have to do now for the blue car is install the clutch (if it ever gets here), bolt the tranny to the enigine, and install the package. The son found a sale on Yokohama Avids - 4 tires for $160, ready to go, so jumped on it. It should be a decent car when we get it running. Still haven't decided whether to re-assemble the gold car, or part it out. -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Epic double tranny swap/conversion week
Congrats. Those kind of projects always take longer than forecast. At least you can see the end now. A week later - the update: The clutch disk pilot tool arrived Monday, and the proper sized clutch disk arrived Tuesday, so we were all set for this weekend. We got the clutch installed, the engine and tranny mated, drive shaft with new flex disks installed, the shifter linkages in place (hopefully correctly), and went to re-assemble the exhaust. Found that the rear section of the exhaust that wasn't cracked at the front flange, had been stolen from under the gold car during the week. So we patched the cracked pipe that we had, no microwave steel was handy, so we used a strip from an old license plate, a couple of clamps, and lots of muffler goo. Got the engine re-connected, filled with coolant, then called it a day, since it was dark. Today, we bled the brakes, the clutch, installed the serpentine belt, fan shroud, etc., bolted the wheels and new tires on, and were ready to re-install the battery. This is when we discovered that the key to the car is missing. my son spent most of the rest of the day looking for the key. Never did find it. We'll be placing an order with Rusty tomorrow --- He also discovered that the under dash panel didn't fit due to the extra pedal, so took the snips to it, and got it installed. Bottom line - so close, yet so far from driving it! There are several mystery vacuum lines, and some connectors on the IP that have no wires -- this is not new, both cars were in this condition when we got them. We need to find a 201 FSM CD set --- anyone have an extra? On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 8:33 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Crap - the proper sized clutch disk didn't arrive today. Two day air doesn't count for much when it takes them two days to get it to DHL. We're working outside - it's been beautiful weather so far, but it's raining now, and we're supposed to get 1-3 inches of snow tomorrow. Guess the cars will be sitting till next weekend. Crap! Got the front brakes re-done, moved the nut plates for the standard tranny rear cross member to the blue car (4 instead of the 2 used by the auto tranny). Changed the oil in the standard tranny, moved the only engine stop from the gold car to the blue one, and other minor things. I think all we have to do now for the blue car is install the clutch (if it ever gets here), bolt the tranny to the enigine, and install the package. The son found a sale on Yokohama Avids - 4 tires for $160, ready to go, so jumped on it. It should be a decent car when we get it running. Still haven't decided whether to re-assemble the gold car, or part it out. -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Epic double tranny swap/conversion week
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:49:59 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Found that the rear section of the exhaust that wasn't cracked at the front flange, had been stolen from under the gold car during the week. Boy is THAT irritating! I'm sorry that happened to you. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Epic double tranny swap/conversion week
Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:49:59 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Found that the rear section of the exhaust that wasn't cracked at the front flange, had been stolen from under the gold car during the week. Boy is THAT irritating! I'm sorry that happened to you. I hope the missing key didn't go the same way. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Epic double tranny swap/conversion week
Crap - the proper sized clutch disk didn't arrive today. Two day air doesn't count for much when it takes them two days to get it to DHL. We're working outside - it's been beautiful weather so far, but it's raining now, and we're supposed to get 1-3 inches of snow tomorrow. Guess the cars will be sitting till next weekend. Crap! Got the front brakes re-done, moved the nut plates for the standard tranny rear cross member to the blue car (4 instead of the 2 used by the auto tranny). Changed the oil in the standard tranny, moved the only engine stop from the gold car to the blue one, and other minor things. I think all we have to do now for the blue car is install the clutch (if it ever gets here), bolt the tranny to the enigine, and install the package. The son found a sale on Yokohama Avids - 4 tires for $160, ready to go, so jumped on it. It should be a decent car when we get it running. Still haven't decided whether to re-assemble the gold car, or part it out. On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 9:55 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Now that I knew where to look, I see that the standard tranny engine has the ball fittings, but no damper, while the auto tranny engine does have a damper. Strange. Where does the engine serial number hide on a 601 engine? I haven't been able to find it yet. We finished the transplant of the pedals and shifter today, along with the wiring harness changes. Since we're still waiting for the correct sized clutch disk, and a 26 spline disk pilot tool, we replaced the rear and parking brakes this afternoon. He wondered why the parking brake didn't work - both sides were adjusted to full retraction of the shoes, and the shoes had NO linings at all. No amount of cable adjustment was going to get action. It has nice new shoes now, new lines to the calipers, and new pads. The front brakes are next -- On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 8:46 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Yes! You did capture it - http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190d/tdamper.html Thanks! You must have the 201 CD(s?) - I need to get them (it). On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.netwrote: Neither of these engines/cars have one - will have to look in the EPC to see it. I think both of these cars are FrankenBenzs -- mixed and matched from other cars over the years. The standard car did drive smoothly before we embarked on major transplant surgery, so we'll see how it works It was tough to figure out. I recorded my info: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190dlog.html#22Feb2008 and thereabouts. -- Jim -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Epic double tranny swap/conversion week
Attachment is an open documents drawing - It shows a fiction damper in the throttle assembly for a standard tranny car -- do you have this in yours? On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The throttle linkage on the engine looks the same, with the exception of the bowden cable to the auto tranny. Haven't seen the damper yet, is it inside the car? Between the intake manifold and the arm on the IP. -- Jim -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Test.odg Type: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.graphics Size: 71003 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20100319/eb68bf5c/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Epic double tranny swap/conversion week
I was able to confirm via the EPC datacard, that this 5 speed is the original tranny for the gold car. When did MB start producing the 124 in Europe? This case is marked with 124 -- very strange. -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: email Wed 004.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1184416 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20100317/3c9468d0/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Epic double tranny swap/conversion week
OK Don wrote: I was able to confirm via the EPC datacard, that this 5 speed is the original tranny for the gold car. When did MB start producing the 124 in Europe? This case is marked with 124 -- very strange. 1986 in USA, so I would assume 1985 in Europe. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Epic double tranny swap/conversion week
Now that I knew where to look, I see that the standard tranny engine has the ball fittings, but no damper, while the auto tranny engine does have a damper. Strange. Where does the engine serial number hide on a 601 engine? I haven't been able to find it yet. We finished the transplant of the pedals and shifter today, along with the wiring harness changes. Since we're still waiting for the correct sized clutch disk, and a 26 spline disk pilot tool, we replaced the rear and parking brakes this afternoon. He wondered why the parking brake didn't work - both sides were adjusted to full retraction of the shoes, and the shoes had NO linings at all. No amount of cable adjustment was going to get action. It has nice new shoes now, new lines to the calipers, and new pads. The front brakes are next -- On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 8:46 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Yes! You did capture it - http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190d/tdamper.html Thanks! You must have the 201 CD(s?) - I need to get them (it). On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.netwrote: Neither of these engines/cars have one - will have to look in the EPC to see it. I think both of these cars are FrankenBenzs -- mixed and matched from other cars over the years. The standard car did drive smoothly before we embarked on major transplant surgery, so we'll see how it works It was tough to figure out. I recorded my info: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190dlog.html#22Feb2008 and thereabouts. -- Jim -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:55:22 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Now that I knew where to look, I see that the standard tranny engine It has nice new shoes now, new lines to the calipers, and new pads. The front brakes are next -- Keep up the good work! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Epic double tranny swap/conversion week
Test mules where built in 83 and the 124 was shown at shows in 84 but not sold until 85. Hendrik Mitch Haley wrote: OK Don wrote: I was able to confirm via the EPC datacard, that this 5 speed is the original tranny for the gold car. When did MB start producing the 124 in Europe? This case is marked with 124 -- very strange. 1986 in USA, so I would assume 1985 in Europe. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Epic double tranny swap/conversion week
If changing the clutch disk involves pulling the engine, I would also highly recommend buying a new pressure plate too, inless the manual has adjustment specs. I tried replacing the disk only on an MB ONCE. I think we had the trans off and back on three times. Just a warning, YMMV. We decided to pull the engine/tranny combo rather than continue to fight it in place. It took a 24oz. hammer to get the 6 point socket onto the buggered bolt. We would not have been able to do that in the car. This engine/car seems to have double the wires and vacuum tube that a 123/61x car does. The worst is the harness for the AC - it comes from the firewall forward between the oil filter canister and the fuel heater, goes down, then turns 90 degrees to run towards the from of the engine between the block and the IP, exits at the front of the IP with a 90 degree turn towards the 9cars) left fender, then splits itno three or four sections. The 3 or 4 sets of wires are in a plastic shealth, that is still flexible at the firewall, but the rest of it is now stiff and brittle. It had to be broken in at least three places to get these wires off of the engine so we could pull the engine out. The resoult however, is that we have connection labels on 25 items for re-assembly, the engine and tranny are out of the gold car and seperated. We found that the pilot bearing in the end of the crank fell apart - the inner race came out with a little finger pull, the ballsthen fell out. However, the outrace (inside the crank), was tight! Ended up buying a 3 jaw pilot bearing puller ( http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=4876) at harbor frieght, had to grind down the ends of the jaws to allow them to grab the bushing sleeve behind the bearing, then it pulled the bushing (spacer ring) and bearing outer race right out. It was a good investment of $17.00. The faces of the flywheel and pressure plate are nice and smooth. The clutch disk is worn to within approx. .010-.015 of the rivets on one side, so I'm glad we ordered a new disk, in case we needed it. The old disk has the MB star stamped on it, the new one is Saches. The car has over 175,000 miles (when the odometer and speedo stoped working). If this was the original clutch disk, I'm impressed at how long it lasted. Tomorrow we'll pull the engine/auto tranny from the blue car - hope we're faster on this one! On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 9:01 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Might end up that way - there are way too many tangles fo wires and vacuum hoses for such a small Diesel engine, built 26 years ago. I still can't see where the 1/2 inch thick group goes after it disappears under the IP, even after removing the airbox. On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: This sort of thing is why I always recommend pulling them both at the same time. By now, you'd be going back in Peter -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'd forgotten about the kick-down switch, which will have to be transferred to the gold car. The cruise control amp is different, and there's a switch on the clutch. The neutral safety switch wiring harness must also be swapped, and there's a damper on the manny's throttle to move too, and the whole throttle linkage is different. The nut plates for the transmission rear mounting cross member seem to be held in place - I need to move them for the different trannys I think they may be captive nuts that pop into holes, rather than floating plates. I don't remember the exact details, but I also had to deal with this. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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They are entirely in the channel, not popped into the holes. There are dimples on both sides of the hole/nut, but not spot welds. I got one of them to move up and down after pounding the bolt with a hammer, but it didn't want to slide within the channel. I'll try a long, thin bar to see if I can force them to slide foreward in the channel. On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The nut plates for the transmission rear mounting cross member seem to be held in place - I need to move them for the different trannys I think they may be captive nuts that pop into holes, rather than floating plates. I don't remember the exact details, but I also had to deal with this. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The throttle linkage on the engine looks the same, with the exception of the bowden cable to the auto tranny. Haven't seen the damper yet, is it inside the car? On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The cruise control amp is different, and there's a switch on the clutch. The neutral safety switch wiring harness must also be swapped, and there's a damper on the manny's throttle to move too, and the whole throttle linkage is different. -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The throttle linkage on the engine looks the same, with the exception of the bowden cable to the auto tranny. Haven't seen the damper yet, is it inside the car? Between the intake manifold and the arm on the IP. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Neither of these engines/cars have one - will have to look in the EPC to see it. I think both of these cars are FrankenBenzs -- mixed and matched from other cars over the years. The standard car did drive smoothly before we imbarked on major transplant surgery, so we'll see how it works On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The throttle linkage on the engine looks the same, with the exception of the bowden cable to the auto tranny. Haven't seen the damper yet, is it inside the car? Between the intake manifold and the arm on the IP. -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yup - p/n 601 070 13 67, called a dashpot. However, the EPC doesn't indicate where it attaches - it's just floating is space to the right of everything else. On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Neither of these engines/cars have one - will have to look in the EPC to see it. I think both of these cars are FrankenBenzs -- mixed and matched from other cars over the years. The standard car did drive smoothly before we imbarked on major transplant surgery, so we'll see how it works On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.netwrote: The throttle linkage on the engine looks the same, with the exception of the bowden cable to the auto tranny. Haven't seen the damper yet, is it inside the car? Between the intake manifold and the arm on the IP. -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Todays progress - Got the auto tranny seperated from the blue engine, the pedal assemblies are out of both cars, as are the shifters. Got the clutch cylinder hydraulic lines moved from the gold to the blue car. Installed the flywheel on the blue engine (after another run to Harbor Freight for a T55 driver), and the new pilot bearing is in place. Then we found that the new clutch disk is too large for the flywheel/pressure plate! Crap! It is the proper MB part number per the EPC for the car, by VIN, but is 230mm in diameter, vs. the 200mm of the original one. Found one on-line, that is the correct diameter, to have over-nighted - hopefully we'll be able to finish the assembly, and start (if not complete) the installation Friday. We need to determine which pair of wires going to the neutral safety switch for the auto tranny control the starter, and which are (I'm guessing) the back-up lights. One pair is easily twice the diameter of the other pair, So my guess is that the thick wires are for the starter circuit. A wiring diagram for the 201 chassis would be a help at this point --- We're now thinking that perhaps a more realistic goal is to complete the Blue car, and sell the parts that are left over, rather than trying to re-assemble the gold car as an automatic. Anyone have an idea what used 2.2 engines and matching trannys are going for now? We'll have an engine, auto tranny, and rolling chassis. -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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FWIW the 230MM is for the Gwagen/v8 class. Sounds like you are having fun. By any chance are the speedo cable ends different like they can be on the 123? I just bought a 124 on ebay with a trans on its way out. Will certainly be looking for a 5 spd! -Rolf OK Don wrote: Todays progress - Got the auto tranny seperated from the blue engine, the pedal assemblies are out of both cars, as are the shifters. Got the clutch cylinder hydraulic lines moved from the gold to the blue car. Installed the flywheel on the blue engine (after another run to Harbor Freight for a T55 driver), and the new pilot bearing is in place. Then we found that the new clutch disk is too large for the flywheel/pressure plate! Crap! It is the proper MB part number per the EPC for the car, by VIN, but is 230mm in diameter, vs. the 200mm of the original one. Found one on-line, that is the correct diameter, to have over-nighted - hopefully we'll be able to finish the assembly, and start (if not complete) the installation Friday. We need to determine which pair of wires going to the neutral safety switch for the auto tranny control the starter, and which are (I'm guessing) the back-up lights. One pair is easily twice the diameter of the other pair, So my guess is that the thick wires are for the starter circuit. A wiring diagram for the 201 chassis would be a help at this point --- We're now thinking that perhaps a more realistic goal is to complete the Blue car, and sell the parts that are left over, rather than trying to re-assemble the gold car as an automatic. Anyone have an idea what used 2.2 engines and matching trannys are going for now? We'll have an engine, auto tranny, and rolling chassis. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ahhrrrggg - nope, haven't looked that closely at the speedo ends yet! On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Rolf Martin-Hoster r...@winmutt.comwrote: FWIW the 230MM is for the Gwagen/v8 class. Sounds like you are having fun. By any chance are the speedo cable ends different like they can be on the 123? I just bought a 124 on ebay with a trans on its way out. Will certainly be looking for a 5 spd! -Rolf -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I know the 85 auto end was a square and the 81 manual trans was slotted. -Rolf OK Don wrote: Ahhrrrggg - nope, haven't looked that closely at the speedo ends yet! On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Rolf Martin-Hoster r...@winmutt.comwrote: FWIW the 230MM is for the Gwagen/v8 class. Sounds like you are having fun. By any chance are the speedo cable ends different like they can be on the 123? I just bought a 124 on ebay with a trans on its way out. Will certainly be looking for a 5 spd! -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Neither of these engines/cars have one - will have to look in the EPC to see it. I think both of these cars are FrankenBenzs -- mixed and matched from other cars over the years. The standard car did drive smoothly before we embarked on major transplant surgery, so we'll see how it works It was tough to figure out. I recorded my info: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190dlog.html#22Feb2008 and thereabouts. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes! You did capture it - http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190d/tdamper.html Thanks! You must have the 201 CD(s?) - I need to get them (it). On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Neither of these engines/cars have one - will have to look in the EPC to see it. I think both of these cars are FrankenBenzs -- mixed and matched from other cars over the years. The standard car did drive smoothly before we embarked on major transplant surgery, so we'll see how it works It was tough to figure out. I recorded my info: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190dlog.html#22Feb2008 and thereabouts. -- Jim -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Two thoughts. One a bit late but maybe for next time. They sell an oddball socket doodad for removing wheel locks when one has lost the key socket. Don't know about sizes but I wonder if you could have used something like that to remove the bolt with the damaged head? It is sort of like the grabit things for removing screws with damaged phillips sockets etc. Put it on an impact wrench and out comes the bolt. Second thought is whether you have considered having the flywheel resurfaced? Don't know if a machine shop can do the same for the pressure plate but probably. Most clutch kits won't be guaranteed if you don't resurface the flywheel etc. Sort of like turning brake drums or rotors to get rid of the glazing. Easier to do now than when you have to pull the engine and tranny again to get to it. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Epic double tranny swap/conversion week We decided to pull the engine/tranny combo rather than continue to fight it in place. It took a 24oz. hammer to get the 6 point socket onto the buggered bolt. We would not have been able to do that in the car. This engine/car seems to have double the wires and vacuum tube that a 123/61x car does. The worst is the harness for the AC - it comes from the firewall forward between the oil filter canister and the fuel heater, goes down, then turns 90 degrees to run towards the from of the engine between the block and the IP, exits at the front of the IP with a 90 degree turn towards the 9cars) left fender, then splits itno three or four sections. The 3 or 4 sets of wires are in a plastic shealth, that is still flexible at the firewall, but the rest of it is now stiff and brittle. It had to be broken in at least three places to get these wires off of the engine so we could pull the engine out. The resoult however, is that we have connection labels on 25 items for re-assembly, the engine and tranny are out of the gold car and seperated. We found that the pilot bearing in the end of the crank fell apart - the inner race came out with a little finger pull, the ballsthen fell out. However, the outrace (inside the crank), was tight! Ended up buying a 3 jaw pilot bearing puller ( http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=4876) at harbor frieght, had to grind down the ends of the jaws to allow them to grab the bushing sleeve behind the bearing, then it pulled the bushing (spacer ring) and bearing outer race right out. It was a good investment of $17.00. The faces of the flywheel and pressure plate are nice and smooth. The clutch disk is worn to within approx. .010-.015 of the rivets on one side, so I'm glad we ordered a new disk, in case we needed it. The old disk has the MB star stamped on it, the new one is Saches. The car has over 175,000 miles (when the odometer and speedo stoped working). If this was the original clutch disk, I'm impressed at how long it lasted. Tomorrow we'll pull the engine/auto tranny from the blue car - hope we're faster on this one! -- OK Don ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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One - there wasn't room to get to the bolt, with everything in the car. It came right out with a six point socket once we had room to get a socket on it (we were using an open end wrench before)! Two - I had considered it, if the surface wasn't nice and smooth, which it is. I expected it to be grooved and/or scored, but it looks really smooth. Perhaps too smooth? The FSM only mentions removing grooves and cracks by grinding, to the acceptable limit. It doesn't say anything about a nice smooth looking surface, so in the interest of getting this car on the road again, we'll take the risk - also since it wokred very well before we took it all apart. Three - we got the engine/auto tranny out of the blue car today. Both are '84 models, but there are several differences, besides the trannys - such as one has an ERG system, and the other doesn't. It doesn't even have a port on the exhaust manifold for a source of exhaust for the EGR. No wonder it ran stronger than the other engine! Now - I asume that removing the auto tranny from the engine is the usual drill - remove the bolts through the hole in the front of the bell housing (looking towards the rear of the tranny), then unbolt the tranny from the bell housing, and carefully pry it off, keeping the torque converter on the tranny. Any other gotchas? On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 1:29 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: Two thoughts. One a bit late but maybe for next time. They sell an oddball socket doodad for removing wheel locks when one has lost the key socket. Don't know about sizes but I wonder if you could have used something like that to remove the bolt with the damaged head? It is sort of like the grabit things for removing screws with damaged phillips sockets etc. Put it on an impact wrench and out comes the bolt. Second thought is whether you have considered having the flywheel resurfaced? Don't know if a machine shop can do the same for the pressure plate but probably. Most clutch kits won't be guaranteed if you don't resurface the flywheel etc. Sort of like turning brake drums or rotors to get rid of the glazing. Easier to do now than when you have to pull the engine and tranny again to get to it. Randy -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Another difference between the two cars - the auto tranny is missing three of the mounting-to-the-engine bolts. I'd forgotten about the kick-down switch, which will have to be transferred to the gold car. The nut plates for the transmission rear mounting cross member seem to be held in place - I need to move them for the different trannys - they were floating plates in the 115 chassis, didn't figure that they'd change how they buyilt the cars from '68 to '84! Another challenge --- -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Epic double tranny swap/conversion week
We decided to pull the engine/tranny combo rather than continue to fight it in place. It took a 24oz. hammer to get the 6 point socket onto the buggered bolt. We would not have been able to do that in the car. This engine/car seems to have double the wires and vacuum tube that a 123/61x car does. The worst is the harness for the AC - it comes from the firewall forward between the oil filter canister and the fuel heater, goes down, then turns 90 degrees to run towards the from of the engine between the block and the IP, exits at the front of the IP with a 90 degree turn towards the 9cars) left fender, then splits itno three or four sections. The 3 or 4 sets of wires are in a plastic shealth, that is still flexible at the firewall, but the rest of it is now stiff and brittle. It had to be broken in at least three places to get these wires off of the engine so we could pull the engine out. The resoult however, is that we have connection labels on 25 items for re-assembly, the engine and tranny are out of the gold car and seperated. We found that the pilot bearing in the end of the crank fell apart - the inner race came out with a little finger pull, the ballsthen fell out. However, the outrace (inside the crank), was tight! Ended up buying a 3 jaw pilot bearing puller ( http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=4876) at harbor frieght, had to grind down the ends of the jaws to allow them to grab the bushing sleeve behind the bearing, then it pulled the bushing (spacer ring) and bearing outer race right out. It was a good investment of $17.00. The faces of the flywheel and pressure plate are nice and smooth. The clutch disk is worn to within approx. .010-.015 of the rivets on one side, so I'm glad we ordered a new disk, in case we needed it. The old disk has the MB star stamped on it, the new one is Saches. The car has over 175,000 miles (when the odometer and speedo stoped working). If this was the original clutch disk, I'm impressed at how long it lasted. Tomorrow we'll pull the engine/auto tranny from the blue car - hope we're faster on this one! On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 9:01 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Might end up that way - there are way too many tangles fo wires and vacuum hoses for such a small Diesel engine, built 26 years ago. I still can't see where the 1/2 inch thick group goes after it disappears under the IP, even after removing the airbox. On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: This sort of thing is why I always recommend pulling them both at the same time. By now, you'd be going back in Peter -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:52:54 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Tomorrow we'll pull the engine/auto tranny from the blue car - hope we're faster on this one! So do we! :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Epic double tranny swap/conversion week
We started yesterday on the standard-auto tranny swap between two '84 190Ds. So far, we're only one bolt away from removing the standard tranny from the gold car. But we spent all afternoon today on it, and all we accomplished was to round the corners of the bolt head. I think we're going to un-bolt the engine mounts from the frame to slide the engine forward, hoping to get enough room to pound a 6 sided socket onto the bolt, and hopefully get it loose. If not, we're probably into pulling the engine to get it out. For those of you who have BTDT, this is the tranny-engine bolt above the top starter bolt. I thought that this little engine would be easy to work on/around. Nope - they shrank the chassis to match. At this rate, we'll be lucky to have one running car at the end of the week. Hopefuly, we'll learn something as we go, and it'll get easier, but that's not my track record --- OK Don ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This sort of thing is why I always recommend pulling them both at the same time. By now, you'd be going back in Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yea, those are a pain to get out. I have had the tranny in/out of that light blue 190D in the back about 2 or 3 times. I think I ended up using a MANY extensions to get the ratchet way back behind the tranny in the tunnel. I did also try the unbolting ending and sliding foward trick, I dont think it helped too much though. Well actually,I think thats what I ended up having to do to get the tranny off the engine. On the auto at least the converter sits way up inside the flywheel on the engine, and in order to get the converter out of where it sits, the tranny would hit the back of the firewall before it would clear, so I had to slide the engine forward. A PAIN in the rear for sure. OK Don wrote: We started yesterday on the standard-auto tranny swap between two '84 190Ds. So far, we're only one bolt away from removing the standard tranny from the gold car. But we spent all afternoon today on it, and all we accomplished was to round the corners of the bolt head. I think we're going to un-bolt the engine mounts from the frame to slide the engine forward, hoping to get enough room to pound a 6 sided socket onto the bolt, and hopefully get it loose. If not, we're probably into pulling the engine to get it out. For those of you who have BTDT, this is the tranny-engine bolt above the top starter bolt. I thought that this little engine would be easy to work on/around. Nope - they shrank the chassis to match. At this rate, we'll be lucky to have one running car at the end of the week. Hopefuly, we'll learn something as we go, and it'll get easier, but that's not my track record --- OK Don ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Epic double tranny swap/conversion week
Might end up that way - there are way too many tangles fo wires and vacuum hoses for such a small Diesel engine, built 26 years ago. I still can't see where the 1/2 inch thick group goes after it disappears under the IP, even after removing the airbox. On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: This sort of thing is why I always recommend pulling them both at the same time. By now, you'd be going back in Peter -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
