Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
The relationship of the American Citizen and Congress [and apparently every other citizen with their Government worldwide] is on parallel with a marriage where one spouse finds to late the other spouse is a drug addict with a gambling habit, and has lost or blown the entire net worth of the marriage and ran up debts that can never be paid. Next step is the debt collectors and knee breakers dropping by for a chat. Time for an intervention and Rehab, don't you think? The bumper sticker on back of my 300SD says Charlie Sheen / Leslie Lohan 2012 Country is going to hell, elect a team that knows the way Grant... If it's diesel, I own it. On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 13:12:04 -0400 Larry l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: They don't seem to understand the SP reaction - it's the same as those who would like to see spending cut, the same people who know it's not possible to spend your way out of debt. The TP is made up of Republicans, Democrats and independents who want to see spending brought under control. The SP and most (IMO) of the population that works and supports this country through taxes know the congress didn't go far enough - they just moved the fight down the road a piece, trying to throw the Hot Potato to someone else. I read in the past week that the U.S. can be likened to a family that makes $48,000 per year, but that spends $75,000 per year. With the latest big belt-tightening, the family is now spending $72,000 per year. All the while having a credit card balance of $384,000. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
I like this. Where can I get one? Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:55 PM, G Mann The bumper sticker on back of my 300SD says Charlie Sheen / Leslie Lohan 2012 Country is going to hell, elect a team that knows the way ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well put. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 23:14:33 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines But the US government is -- TOO BIG TO FAIL. hahahahahaha The Chinese economy would crash if can't buy all their crap. They won;t let it happen. On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: And don't forget they just bought another credit card and charged another $40,000 on it last week. I read in the past week that the U.S. can be likened to a family that makes $48,000 per year, but that spends $75,000 per year. With the latest big belt-tightening, the family is now spending $72,000 per year. All the while having a credit card balance of $384,000. Craig __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
Dan, I have a local guy that will make one off bumper stickers. That's where I had this one made. I'm sure he would be very happy to make as many as wanted. The one of a kind cost me about $20... but it suited my twisted sense of humor, so I gave myself a treat. ;)) Grant... Gas is something you don't pass in public, Drive a diesel. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I like this. Where can I get one? Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:55 PM, G Mann The bumper sticker on back of my 300SD says Charlie Sheen / Leslie Lohan 2012 Country is going to hell, elect a team that knows the way ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I can get you any number of Obama 2012 bumper stickers for free. ;) On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:26 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Dan, I have a local guy that will make one off bumper stickers. That's where I had this one made. I'm sure he would be very happy to make as many as wanted. The one of a kind cost me about $20... but it suited my twisted sense of humor, so I gave myself a treat. ;)) Grant... Gas is something you don't pass in public, Drive a diesel. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I like this. Where can I get one? Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:55 PM, G Mann The bumper sticker on back of my 300SD says Charlie Sheen / Leslie Lohan 2012 Country is going to hell, elect a team that knows the way ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
andrew strasfogel wrote: I can get you any number of Obama 2012 bumper stickers for free. ;) Should be interesting to see who the Dem nominee is. Unlike 1980, challengers won't be put off by the president quietly muttering Chappaquiddick. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Leslie? Thought it was Lindsy? Walt, who thinks people shouldn't get special treatment because there's a box-office flop with their name in the credits... On Aug 9, 2011 3:26 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Dan, I have a local guy that will make one off bumper stickers. That's where I had this one made. I'm sure he would be very happy to make as many as wanted. The one of a kind cost me about $20... but it suited my twisted sense of humor, so I gave myself a treat. ;)) Grant... Gas is something you don't pass in public, Drive a diesel. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I like this. Where can I get one? Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:55 PM, G Mann The bumper sticker on back of my 300SD says Charlie Sheen / Leslie Lohan 2012 Country is going to hell, elect a team that knows the way ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
AHHhh. same result... different candidate.. love the irony. Send me a few trillion. Either way, next diesel I shop for will have armor and riot control gear most likely. Is there a forum for those vehicles? ;)) On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 2:27 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I can get you any number of Obama 2012 bumper stickers for free. ;) On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:26 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Dan, I have a local guy that will make one off bumper stickers. That's where I had this one made. I'm sure he would be very happy to make as many as wanted. The one of a kind cost me about $20... but it suited my twisted sense of humor, so I gave myself a treat. ;)) Grant... Gas is something you don't pass in public, Drive a diesel. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I like this. Where can I get one? Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:55 PM, G Mann The bumper sticker on back of my 300SD says Charlie Sheen / Leslie Lohan 2012 Country is going to hell, elect a team that knows the way ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
G Mann wrote: The Modes Operands is always as follows: Manufactured Problem Orchestrated Reaction Planned Solution All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power. Yep, I'd have to agree with that. That's what worries me about all the furor about the fabricated gun running problem to Mexico - they're setting the stage for increased gun control. And it's already starting with executive orders LarryT 91 300D Let your engine tell you how healthy it is! Visit www.youroil.net For Inexpensive Oil Test Kits! - Original Message - From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:12:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines Nothing in politics happens by accident. I'll put my bets in that even the SP downgrade was pre-planned. We are being played like a cheap trick by master manipulators on a scale to large be understood. The Modes Operands is always as follows: Manufactured Problem Orchestrated Reaction Planned Solution All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power. On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: Like many other things - follow the money. Last I heard, the industry was driving the ethanol mandate, congress just did what they were paid to do. Ya, well... Not to be too partisan here, the reality is that all the games DC has been playing with large dollar amounts did nothing but increase the distance between us and them. I doubt any of us are in that top 10% of money holders? Too bad, because these programs whether intentional or not merely took more away from all of us than any of us can contemplate. This system is in a huge hurt, big time. SP has done what nobody in DC had the cahoonas to contemplate. So, now we all suffer once again. How? - who knows, but we will be the ones being separated further from the top 10% for sure. mao - pure communism... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
Watching politics in action these days brings the same emotions you would have watching a video of a prison gang rape where you are the center of attention. Doesn't matter what political party, the sense of violation and helplessness remains when reported by the news media who serve the same function as the rest of the prisoners standing in a circle to keep the bulls from seeing the entertainment while they laugh, point and cheer. All while you keep thinking this can't be happening... followed by... O no, not again. On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: G Mann wrote: The Modes Operands is always as follows: Manufactured Problem Orchestrated Reaction Planned Solution All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power. Yep, I'd have to agree with that. That's what worries me about all the furor about the fabricated gun running problem to Mexico - they're setting the stage for increased gun control. And it's already starting with executive orders LarryT 91 300D Let your engine tell you how healthy it is! Visit www.youroil.net For Inexpensive Oil Test Kits! - Original Message - From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:12:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines Nothing in politics happens by accident. I'll put my bets in that even the SP downgrade was pre-planned. We are being played like a cheap trick by master manipulators on a scale to large be understood. The Modes Operands is always as follows: Manufactured Problem Orchestrated Reaction Planned Solution All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power. On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: Like many other things - follow the money. Last I heard, the industry was driving the ethanol mandate, congress just did what they were paid to do. Ya, well... Not to be too partisan here, the reality is that all the games DC has been playing with large dollar amounts did nothing but increase the distance between us and them. I doubt any of us are in that top 10% of money holders? Too bad, because these programs whether intentional or not merely took more away from all of us than any of us can contemplate. This system is in a huge hurt, big time. SP has done what nobody in DC had the cahoonas to contemplate. So, now we all suffer once again. How? - who knows, but we will be the ones being separated further from the top 10% for sure. mao - pure communism... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yep. Just saw a bar graph published July 27 by the White House. It purports to list the four biggest factors contributing to the US debt. The wars, the Bush tax cuts, domestic spending, and changes in economy and technology were listed. Cost for each factor ranged from 1.5 trillion to 4 trillion dollars. What wasn't on the bar graph? The bailout to the Wall Street banksters. The GAO investigated it, over the shrill protests of the Bernanke, and found that it cost 16 trillion dollars, nearly twice the cost of our several wars, the Bush tax cuts, all of our domestic spending and the economic meltdown, combined. What did we get in return? We got bitch-slapped. Having GIVEN these greedy bastards an incomprehensible sum with no strings attached, they gave their top thieves million-dollar bonuses, continue to foreclose on the houses of working-class people, and are now bulldozing the damned things by the hundreds. JP Morgan Chase is capitalizing on the growing number of poor by persuading state food stamp programs to switch to EBT programs that Morgan Chase administers. I'm ready to start circulating the rumor that bankers taste like chicken. Lee G Mann wrote: Watching politics in action these days brings the same emotions you would have watching a video of a prison gang rape where you are the center of attention. Doesn't matter what political party, the sense of violation and helplessness remains when reported by the news media who serve the same function as the rest of the prisoners standing in a circle to keep the bulls from seeing the entertainment while they laugh, point and cheer. All while you keep thinking this can't be happening... followed by... O no, not again. On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: G Mann wrote: The Modes Operands is always as follows: Manufactured Problem Orchestrated Reaction Planned Solution All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power. Yep, I'd have to agree with that. That's what worries me about all the furor about the fabricated gun running problem to Mexico - they're setting the stage for increased gun control. And it's already starting with executive orders LarryT 91 300D Let your engine tell you how healthy it is! Visit www.youroil.net For Inexpensive Oil Test Kits! - Original Message - From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:12:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines Nothing in politics happens by accident. I'll put my bets in that even the SP downgrade was pre-planned. We are being played like a cheap trick by master manipulators on a scale to large be understood. The Modes Operands is always as follows: Manufactured Problem Orchestrated Reaction Planned Solution All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power. On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: Like many other things - follow the money. Last I heard, the industry was driving the ethanol mandate, congress just did what they were paid to do. Ya, well... Not to be too partisan here, the reality is that all the games DC has been playing with large dollar amounts did nothing but increase the distance between us and them. I doubt any of us are in that top 10% of money holders? Too bad, because these programs whether intentional or not merely took more away from all of us than any of us can contemplate. This system is in a huge hurt, big time. SP has done what nobody in DC had the cahoonas to contemplate. So, now we all suffer once again. How? - who knows, but we will be the ones being separated further from the top 10% for sure. mao - pure communism... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Unfortunately, it's a Perfect Analogy. . It's strange to watch the politicians (there's got to be a better name for them - maybe gangsters? con men? Morons? predators?) trying to diminish the Tea Party by calling them all kind of demeaning names. I know the main stream will try to marginalize the TP but come next election time they will learn how effective the people can be - once aroused. I know there's a huge number of people happy to watch the rape of this country - those who are filled with apathy, greed, ignorance, stupidity and a lot more adjectives, who are perfectly content to let things go the way they have been. And of course the rapist will keep doing what they have been. Meanwhile, the MSM will keep ignoring the problem like they always do. Actually it seems they never get too fired up about *any* kind of activity unless it has been done (or reportedly) done by a republican/conservative. The kind of media attention given S Palin Vs Obama is a prime example People went through her garbage and old emails looking for something to criticize her for while seemingly ignoring obama's past and what passed for a voting record.Actually, I don't them searching through a candidates background with tenacity - but I would ask they work as hard looking into ALL candidates' backgrounds and not allow personal agenda's to get involved. They don't seem to understand the SP reaction - it's the same as those who would like to see spending cut, the same people who know it's not possible to spend your way out of debt. The TP is made up of Republicans, Democrats and independents who want to see spending brought under control. The SP and most (IMO) of the population that works and supports this country through taxes know the congress didn't go far enough - they just moved the fight down the road a piece, trying to throw the Hot Potato to someone else. Unfortunately we have very few Statesmen in Congress (oh, how I hate to capitalize that word like it deserves special attention) -- the vast number having been replaced by silver tongued con men. Of course the voters deserve lots of the responsibility - by looking at surface attributes rather than voting records and putting credibility in what a candidate has *done* over what he says he *will* do. Hopefully next November will see a major shift. Sorry for the rant - I am very angry - our representatives don't deserve the name. LarryT 91 300D -Original Message- From: G Mann Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:13 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines Watching politics in action these days brings the same emotions you would have watching a video of a prison gang rape where you are the center of attention. Doesn't matter what political party, the sense of violation and helplessness remains when reported by the news media who serve the same function as the rest of the prisoners standing in a circle to keep the bulls from seeing the entertainment while they laugh, point and cheer. All while you keep thinking this can't be happening... followed by... O no, not again. On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: G Mann wrote: The Modes Operands is always as follows: Manufactured Problem Orchestrated Reaction Planned Solution All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power. Yep, I'd have to agree with that. That's what worries me about all the furor about the fabricated gun running problem to Mexico - they're setting the stage for increased gun control. And it's already starting with executive orders LarryT 91 300D Let your engine tell you how healthy it is! Visit www.youroil.net For Inexpensive Oil Test Kits! - Original Message - From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:12:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines Nothing in politics happens by accident. I'll put my bets in that even the SP downgrade was pre-planned. We are being played like a cheap trick by master manipulators on a scale to large be understood. The Modes Operands is always as follows: Manufactured Problem Orchestrated Reaction Planned Solution All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power. On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Mountain Man SNIP For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Lee wrote I'm ready to start circulating the rumor that bankers taste like chicken. Hmm... maybe add politicians to that rumor? After all, they're the ones who through all those billions down the black hole with absolutely no accountability. On second thought no one would believe Chicken - Skunk maybe - but the skunks would be offended. And rightly so... LarryT 91 300D -Original Message- From: Lee Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:41 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines Yep. Just saw a bar graph published July 27 by the White House. It purports to list the four biggest factors contributing to the US debt. The wars, the Bush tax cuts, domestic spending, and changes in economy and technology were listed. Cost for each factor ranged from 1.5 trillion to 4 trillion dollars. What wasn't on the bar graph? The bailout to the Wall Street banksters. The GAO investigated it, over the shrill protests of the Bernanke, and found that it cost 16 trillion dollars, nearly twice the cost of our several wars, the Bush tax cuts, all of our domestic spending and the economic meltdown, combined. What did we get in return? We got bitch-slapped. Having GIVEN these greedy bastards an incomprehensible sum with no strings attached, they gave their top thieves million-dollar bonuses, continue to foreclose on the houses of working-class people, and are now bulldozing the damned things by the hundreds. JP Morgan Chase is capitalizing on the growing number of poor by persuading state food stamp programs to switch to EBT programs that Morgan Chase administers. I'm ready to start circulating the rumor that bankers taste like chicken. Lee G Mann wrote: Watching politics in action these days brings the same emotions you would have watching a video of a prison gang rape where you are the center of attention. Doesn't matter what political party, the sense of violation and helplessness remains when reported by the news media who serve the same function as the rest of the prisoners standing in a circle to keep the bulls from seeing the entertainment while they laugh, point and cheer. All while you keep thinking this can't be happening... followed by... O no, not again. On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: G Mann wrote: The Modes Operands is always as follows: Manufactured Problem Orchestrated Reaction Planned Solution All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power. Yep, I'd have to agree with that. That's what worries me about all the furor about the fabricated gun running problem to Mexico - they're setting the stage for increased gun control. And it's already starting with executive orders LarryT 91 300D Let your engine tell you how healthy it is! Visit www.youroil.net For Inexpensive Oil Test Kits! - Original Message - From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:12:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines Nothing in politics happens by accident. I'll put my bets in that even the SP downgrade was pre-planned. We are being played like a cheap trick by master manipulators on a scale to large be understood. The Modes Operands is always as follows: Manufactured Problem Orchestrated Reaction Planned Solution All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power. On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: Like many other things - follow the money. Last I heard, the industry was driving the ethanol mandate, congress just did what they were paid to do. Ya, well... Not to be too partisan here, the reality is that all the games DC has been playing with large dollar amounts did nothing but increase the distance between us and them. I doubt any of us are in that top 10% of money holders? Too bad, because these programs whether intentional or not merely took more away from all of us than any of us can contemplate. This system is in a huge hurt, big time. SP has done what nobody in DC had the cahoonas to contemplate. So, now we all suffer once again. How? - who knows, but we will be the ones being separated further from the top 10% for sure. mao - pure communism... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new
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Doesnt this belong in banned? -Rolf On 08/08/2011 10:41 AM, Lee wrote: Yep. Just saw a bar graph published July 27 by the White House. It purports to list the four biggest factors contributing to the US debt. The wars, the Bush tax cuts, domestic spending, and changes in economy and technology were listed. Cost for each factor ranged from 1.5 trillion to 4 trillion dollars. What wasn't on the bar graph? The bailout to the Wall Street banksters. The GAO investigated it, over the shrill protests of the Bernanke, and found that it cost 16 trillion dollars, nearly twice the cost of our several wars, the Bush tax cuts, all of our domestic spending and the economic meltdown, combined. What did we get in return? We got bitch-slapped. Having GIVEN these greedy bastards an incomprehensible sum with no strings attached, they gave their top thieves million-dollar bonuses, continue to foreclose on the houses of working-class people, and are now bulldozing the damned things by the hundreds. JP Morgan Chase is capitalizing on the growing number of poor by persuading state food stamp programs to switch to EBT programs that Morgan Chase administers. I'm ready to start circulating the rumor that bankers taste like chicken. Lee G Mann wrote: Watching politics in action these days brings the same emotions you would have watching a video of a prison gang rape where you are the center of attention. Doesn't matter what political party, the sense of violation and helplessness remains when reported by the news media who serve the same function as the rest of the prisoners standing in a circle to keep the bulls from seeing the entertainment while they laugh, point and cheer. All while you keep thinking this can't be happening... followed by... O no, not again. On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: G Mann wrote: The Modes Operands is always as follows: Manufactured Problem Orchestrated Reaction Planned Solution All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power. Yep, I'd have to agree with that. That's what worries me about all the furor about the fabricated gun running problem to Mexico - they're setting the stage for increased gun control. And it's already starting with executive orders LarryT 91 300D Let your engine tell you how healthy it is! Visit www.youroil.net For Inexpensive Oil Test Kits! - Original Message - From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:12:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines Nothing in politics happens by accident. I'll put my bets in that even the SP downgrade was pre-planned. We are being played like a cheap trick by master manipulators on a scale to large be understood. The Modes Operands is always as follows: Manufactured Problem Orchestrated Reaction Planned Solution All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power. On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: Like many other things - follow the money. Last I heard, the industry was driving the ethanol mandate, congress just did what they were paid to do. Ya, well... Not to be too partisan here, the reality is that all the games DC has been playing with large dollar amounts did nothing but increase the distance between us and them. I doubt any of us are in that top 10% of money holders? Too bad, because these programs whether intentional or not merely took more away from all of us than any of us can contemplate. This system is in a huge hurt, big time. SP has done what nobody in DC had the cahoonas to contemplate. So, now we all suffer once again. How? - who knows, but we will be the ones being separated further from the top 10% for sure. mao - pure communism... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman
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Foreclosure? nbsp;Search on Google for home loan documents missing and you will find that when some banks sold mortgages electronically, they failed to transfer the title paperwork. nbsp;If pressed for the paperwork, the banks might not be able to produce said proof of ownership Luther On Aug 8, 2011 9:41 AM, Lee lt;einer...@yahoo.comgt; wrote: Yep. Just saw a bar graph published July 27 by the White House. It purports to list the four biggest factors contributing to the US debt. The wars, the Bush tax cuts, domestic spending, and changes in economy and technology were listed. Cost for each factor ranged from 1.5 trillion to 4 trillion dollars. What wasn't on the bar graph? The bailout to the Wall Street banksters. The GAO investigated it, over the shrill protests of the Bernanke, and found that it cost 16 trillion dollars, nearly twice the cost of our several wars, the Bush tax cuts, all of our domestic spending and the economic meltdown, combined. What did we get in return? We got bitch-slapped. Having GIVEN these greedy bastards an incomprehensible sum with no strings attached, they gave their top thieves million-dollar bonuses, continue to foreclose on the houses of working-class people, and are now bulldozing the damned things by the hundreds. JP Morgan Chase is capitalizing on the growing number of poor by persuading state food stamp programs to switch to EBT programs that Morgan Chase administers. I'm ready to start circulating the rumor that bankers taste like chicken. Lee G Mann wrote: gt; Watching politics in action these days brings the same emotions you would gt; have watching a video of a prison gang rape where you are the center of gt; attention. gt; gt; Doesn't matter what political party, the sense of violation and helplessness gt; remains when reported by the news media who serve the same function as the gt; rest of the prisoners standing in a circle to keep the bulls from seeing the gt; entertainment while they laugh, point and cheer. gt; gt; All while you keep thinking this can't be happening... followed by... gt; O no, not again. gt; gt; On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Larry T lt;l02tur...@comcast.netgt; wrote: gt; gt; gt;gt; G Mann wrote: gt;gt; lt;lt;The Modes Operands is always as follows: gt;gt; Manufactured Problem gt;gt; Orchestrated Reaction gt;gt; Planned Solution gt;gt; All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power. gt;gt; gt;gt; Yep, I'd have to agree with that. gt;gt; That's what worries me about all the furor about the fabricated gun running gt;gt; problem to Mexico - they're setting the stage for increased gun control. And gt;gt; it's already starting with executive orders gt;gt; gt;gt; LarryT gt;gt; 91 300D gt;gt; gt;gt; Let your engine tell you how healthy it is! Visit www.youroil.net For gt;gt; Inexpensive Oil Test Kits! gt;gt; gt;gt; - Original Message - gt;gt; From: G Mann lt;g2ma...@gmail.comgt; gt;gt; To: Mercedes Discussion List lt;mercedes@okiebenz.comgt; gt;gt; Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:12:43 PM gt;gt; Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines gt;gt; gt;gt; Nothing in politics happens by accident. gt;gt; I'll put my bets in that even the Samp;P downgrade was pre-planned. We are gt;gt; being played like a cheap trick by master manipulators on a scale to large gt;gt; be understood. gt;gt; The Modes Operands is always as follows: gt;gt; Manufactured Problem gt;gt; Orchestrated Reaction gt;gt; Planned Solution gt;gt; All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power. gt;gt; gt;gt; On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Mountain Man lt;maontin@gmail.comgt; gt;gt; wrote: gt;gt; gt;gt; gt;gt;gt; OK Don wrote: gt;gt;gt; gt;gt;gt;gt; Like many other things - follow the money. Last I heard, the industry gt;gt;gt;gt; gt;gt; was gt;gt; gt;gt;gt;gt; driving the ethanol mandate, congress just did what they were paid to gt;gt;gt;gt; gt;gt; do. gt;gt; gt;gt;gt; Ya, well... gt;gt;gt; Not to be too partisan here, the reality is that all the games DC has gt;gt;gt; been playing with large dollar amounts did nothing but increase the gt;gt;gt; distance between us and them. I doubt any of us are in that top 10% gt;gt;gt; of money holders? Too bad, because these programs whether intentional gt;gt;gt; or not merely took more away from all of us than any of us can gt;gt;gt; contemplate. This system is in a huge hurt, big time. Samp;P has done gt;gt;gt; what nobody in DC had the cahoonas to contemplate. So, now we all gt;gt;gt; suffer once again. How? - who knows, but we will be the ones being gt;gt;gt; separated further from the top 10% for sure. gt;gt;gt; mao - pure communism... gt;gt;gt; gt;gt;gt; ___ gt;gt;gt; http://www.okiebenz.com gt;gt;gt; For new
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Luther's Benz benz-n-h...@gulseth.net writes: Foreclosure? nbsp;Search on Google for home loan documents missing and you will find that when some banks sold mortgages electronically, they failed to transfer the title paperwork. nbsp;If pressed for the paperwork, the banks might not be able to produce said proof of ownership The liens I've seen are in terms of So and So Bank, its succesors and/or assigns so even if they didn't update the lien when they sold the mortgage it would likely still hold up in a foreclosure. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Allan Streib wrote: The liens I've seen are in terms of So and So Bank, its succesors and/or assigns so even if they didn't update the lien when they sold the mortgage it would likely still hold up in a foreclosure. Only if they could prove a lawful assignment. Many states the law requires the assignment to be recorded with the county. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't talk politics, religieon and other personal issues in a bar and any other public place. But Snce all the above is correct I cant pass. We are a conglomeration of idiots'es'es thinking to be clever'er'er. Sorry. We (you all and myself) didn't write the Constitution. But all uf us, including your parents, GP's nd GGP's watched it fall apart. Solution: Fire Congress (the members of it, I mean). Put an new bullet in the gun. Public service (Isn't that the coin phrase I want to serve the piblic...? = No Pay, excet expenses, Oh, I opened up another can of worms. During the Cold war we accused the Ruskies of being brain washed. Ring a bell? Signing off...got to piss.(I didn't say pee). Got the KLIMA fixed on the 82. Hurray! On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: The liens I've seen are in terms of So and So Bank, its succesors and/or assigns so even if they didn't update the lien when they sold the mortgage it would likely still hold up in a foreclosure. Only if they could prove a lawful assignment. Many states the law requires the assignment to be recorded with the county. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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From what I've read in following this, yes, you might not get foreclosed by the bank/mortgage company because they can't produce the proper paperwork, BUT, it seems that you can't get a title to the property either. So, you can stay and leave it to your heirs, but not sell it. At least that's how it seems from what I've read, but as always, I could be wrong :-( Best Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Lee wrote: What wasn't on the bar graph? The bailout to the Wall Street banksters. The GAO investigated it, over the shrill protests of the Bernanke, and found that it cost 16 trillion dollars, nearly twice the cost of our several wars, the Bush tax cuts, all of our domestic spending and the economic meltdown, combined. Do you have links to this documentation? That sounds interesting. I wanna read more about this expansion to $16T. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Total_Wall_Street_Bailout_Cost On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Lee wrote: What wasn't on the bar graph? The bailout to the Wall Street banksters. The GAO investigated it, over the shrill protests of the Bernanke, and found that it cost 16 trillion dollars, nearly twice the cost of our several wars, the Bush tax cuts, all of our domestic spending and the economic meltdown, combined. Do you have links to this documentation? That sounds interesting. I wanna read more about this expansion to $16T. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Read about it here - http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=9e2a4ea8-6e73-4be2-a753-62060dcbb3c3 There was some serious sleight of hand going on with the Wall Street Boys and their cronies in Washington, and it hasn't been easy to trace as I understand it. The Bloomberg report ended up having a pitched battle with the Federal Reserve and finally prevailed in their FoIA request. They put the price tag to taxpayers at 12.8 trillion, which is still a lot of money. Enough that if you started spending a million dollars a day when Jesus was born, and kept it up until today, you still wouldn't have come close to spending that much. Check this out, and watch the video- http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/economy/the-true-cost-of-the-bank-bailout/3309/ Lee Mountain Man wrote: Lee wrote: What wasn't on the bar graph? The bailout to the Wall Street banksters. The GAO investigated it, over the shrill protests of the Bernanke, and found that it cost 16 trillion dollars, nearly twice the cost of our several wars, the Bush tax cuts, all of our domestic spending and the economic meltdown, combined. Do you have links to this documentation? That sounds interesting. I wanna read more about this expansion to $16T. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 13:12:04 -0400 Larry l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: They don't seem to understand the SP reaction - it's the same as those who would like to see spending cut, the same people who know it's not possible to spend your way out of debt. The TP is made up of Republicans, Democrats and independents who want to see spending brought under control. The SP and most (IMO) of the population that works and supports this country through taxes know the congress didn't go far enough - they just moved the fight down the road a piece, trying to throw the Hot Potato to someone else. I read in the past week that the U.S. can be likened to a family that makes $48,000 per year, but that spends $75,000 per year. With the latest big belt-tightening, the family is now spending $72,000 per year. All the while having a credit card balance of $384,000. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And don't forget they just bought another credit card and charged another $40,000 on it last week. I read in the past week that the U.S. can be likened to a family that makes $48,000 per year, but that spends $75,000 per year. With the latest big belt-tightening, the family is now spending $72,000 per year. All the while having a credit card balance of $384,000. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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But the US government is -- TOO BIG TO FAIL. hahahahahaha The Chinese economy would crash if can't buy all their crap. They won;t let it happen. On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: And don't forget they just bought another credit card and charged another $40,000 on it last week. I read in the past week that the U.S. can be likened to a family that makes $48,000 per year, but that spends $75,000 per year. With the latest big belt-tightening, the family is now spending $72,000 per year. All the while having a credit card balance of $384,000. Craig __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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An interesting thing about food as fuel is that farmers will tell you that only recently has the price of corn risen above the cost of production. Realistically corn was way to cheap for decades. Corn as ethanol is a stupid choice and pretty much everybody agrees on it. Brazil's ethanol made from sugar cane is a much better choice as would using sugar beets which grow well even in places that corn doesn't. Theres no shortage of ground available for food production, nobody is renting my farm for instance but our addiction to cheap food has kept food prices so low for so long its hard to find people stupid enough to try farming. -Curt Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 18:58:49 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines Message-ID: cantulyhc5wuc-3ynp55zrsxct2q60jhbwrpw678g+wqg437...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If that was the only downside we would have some reason to be happy.. it's not. Ethanol production has gone into direct conflict with our human food chain. It's driven food prices up over 20%, consumed producing farm land, and in general messed with fuel production by complication of the blending/refinery production process. Fuel costs more, food cost more, and we pay higher taxes by virtue of higher fuel costs [$1 a gallon fuel pays less tax that $4 a gallon fuel] so we get double hammered. Make that tripple hammered, since the new fuel gets less mileage even though it costs more. Even worse, Ethanol from food grains is grossly lacking in efficency. Return per pound of grain to BTU of energy is on an alarmingly low rate while cost to plant goes up almost geometric. Second generation production of Ethanol from waste bio mass product such as grass clippings and corn stalks, or wood chips is likely decades away. It is yet another government mandated, poorly planned, poorly executed, burden on the public. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK Don wrote: Like many other things - follow the money. Last I heard, the industry was driving the ethanol mandate, congress just did what they were paid to do. Ya, well... Not to be too partisan here, the reality is that all the games DC has been playing with large dollar amounts did nothing but increase the distance between us and them. I doubt any of us are in that top 10% of money holders? Too bad, because these programs whether intentional or not merely took more away from all of us than any of us can contemplate. This system is in a huge hurt, big time. SP has done what nobody in DC had the cahoonas to contemplate. So, now we all suffer once again. How? - who knows, but we will be the ones being separated further from the top 10% for sure. mao - pure communism... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
Curt wrote: Theres no shortage of ground available for food production, nobody is renting my farm for instance but our addiction to cheap food has kept food prices so low for so long its hard to find people stupid enough to try farming. Have you considered Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) for your farm? If nobody can pay the rent, perhaps you could let someone improve the value as they use sustainable agricultural practices to grow locally produced organics for sale at local markets? I like the concept of CSA, but know nothing about the actual implementation. mao - pure communism ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
Nothing in politics happens by accident. I'll put my bets in that even the SP downgrade was pre-planned. We are being played like a cheap trick by master manipulators on a scale to large be understood. The Modes Operands is always as follows: Manufactured Problem Orchestrated Reaction Planned Solution All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power. On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: Like many other things - follow the money. Last I heard, the industry was driving the ethanol mandate, congress just did what they were paid to do. Ya, well... Not to be too partisan here, the reality is that all the games DC has been playing with large dollar amounts did nothing but increase the distance between us and them. I doubt any of us are in that top 10% of money holders? Too bad, because these programs whether intentional or not merely took more away from all of us than any of us can contemplate. This system is in a huge hurt, big time. SP has done what nobody in DC had the cahoonas to contemplate. So, now we all suffer once again. How? - who knows, but we will be the ones being separated further from the top 10% for sure. mao - pure communism... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
Grant wrote: The Modes Operands is always as follows: Manufactured Problem Orchestrated Reaction Planned Solution All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power. This has been the manner for all incidents for a hundred+ years. Yep - I *do* feel raped. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
utilized as a gasoline additive for its oxygen content and octane rating Now that is an interesting statement. I say bullshit. Mike On Aug 4, 2011 10:38 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines by Staff Writers Washington (UPI) Aug 3, 2011 Plans to use existing U.S. pipelines to carry increasing ethanol production poses the problem the fuel can dramatically degrade them, researchers say. Scientists at the National Institute of Standards and Technology warn that ethanol, and especially the bacteria sometimes found in it, can worsen fatigue crack growth rates by 25 times the rate in air alone. Researchers evaluated fatigue-related cracking in two common pipeline steels exposed to ethanol mixtures, including simulated fuel-grade ethanol and an ethanol-water solution containing common bacteria, an NIST release said Wednesday. Substantial increases in crack growth rates were caused by the microbes, NIST researcher Jeffrey Sowards said. These are important data for pipeline engineers who want to safely and reliably transport ethanol fuel in re-purposed oil and gas pipelines. The tests were performed on common pipeline steels, which are alloys of more than a dozen metals. Ethanol, an alcohol that can be derived from corn, is often utilized as a gasoline additive for its oxygen content and octane rating. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
One of the reasons it was added was to add oxygen to the fuel to achieve reduced CO emission. I don't know how it might affect octane rating, which is an indicator of resistance to pre-ignition. Originally MBTE was used until it was discovered that it has a tendency to contaminate groundwater/drinking water as a result of spills and leaky storage tanks and pipelines. Ethanol then became the favored additive for oxygenation. Allan On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 10:41 -0400, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: utilized as a gasoline additive for its oxygen content and octane rating Now that is an interesting statement. I say bullshit. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
Allan wrote: Originally MBTE was used until it was discovered that it has a tendency to contaminate groundwater/drinking water as a result of spills and leaky storage tanks and pipelines. Ethanol then became the favored additive for oxygenation. The industry has gotten smarter. Today, even with reports of similar contamination of groundwater sources, hydro-fracking gets a pass. All in the name of national self-sufficiency paying no attention to our bloated hydrocarbon use. Certainly there are better ways to kill our bloated uses. Not electric - merely fewer drivers. My guess is over half the drivers in cars these days are incapable as drivers, so we make ABS, ASR, etc so we can keep darwin-award people alive. Sounds stoopid to me, but I guess I'm just a luddite. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
Don't know about the oxygen part, haven't done any research on it, but the octane part is correct. Alcohol burns a lot slower then gasoline. (What you never used an alcohol lamp and blow pipe to produce a pin point flame in science class? Try that with gas! IF you are suicidal.) That is what a higher octane number means, slower burning. The ping or detonation in a cylinder is just the gasoline/air mixture burning too fast (exploding, and yes flame front propagation in an engine is a lot more involved then that but those are the basics). Increasing the octane involves reducing the burning speed of the gas/air mixture. Since alcohol burns slower anything it is mixed with burns slower overall. Unfortunately it takes more alcohol to do that then some other chemicals so over all there is less heat or energy released per gallon. Less energy less MPG the downside to using alcohol as an octane booster. Manfred Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:41:29 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines Message-ID: CALHJ_1Bg2Rmjq+H6c-yd+jS3g=bk07mn6tlz8qnpqoqmgos...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 utilized as a gasoline additive for its oxygen content and octane rating Now that is an interesting statement. I say bullshit. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
If that was the only downside we would have some reason to be happy.. it's not. Ethanol production has gone into direct conflict with our human food chain. It's driven food prices up over 20%, consumed producing farm land, and in general messed with fuel production by complication of the blending/refinery production process. Fuel costs more, food cost more, and we pay higher taxes by virtue of higher fuel costs [$1 a gallon fuel pays less tax that $4 a gallon fuel] so we get double hammered. Make that tripple hammered, since the new fuel gets less mileage even though it costs more. Even worse, Ethanol from food grains is grossly lacking in efficency. Return per pound of grain to BTU of energy is on an alarmingly low rate while cost to plant goes up almost geometric. Second generation production of Ethanol from waste bio mass product such as grass clippings and corn stalks, or wood chips is likely decades away. It is yet another government mandated, poorly planned, poorly executed, burden on the public. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 5:34 PM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: Don't know about the oxygen part, haven't done any research on it, but the octane part is correct. Alcohol burns a lot slower then gasoline. (What you never used an alcohol lamp and blow pipe to produce a pin point flame in science class? Try that with gas! IF you are suicidal.) That is what a higher octane number means, slower burning. The ping or detonation in a cylinder is just the gasoline/air mixture burning too fast (exploding, and yes flame front propagation in an engine is a lot more involved then that but those are the basics). Increasing the octane involves reducing the burning speed of the gas/air mixture. Since alcohol burns slower anything it is mixed with burns slower overall. Unfortunately it takes more alcohol to do that then some other chemicals so over all there is less heat or energy released per gallon. Less energy less MPG the downside to using alcohol as an octane booster. Manfred Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:41:29 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines Message-ID: CALHJ_1Bg2Rmjq+H6c-yd+jS3g=bK**07mn6tLZ8QNPqoqMgos4+A@mail.**gmail.combk07mn6tlz8qnpqoqmgos4%...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 utilized as a gasoline additive for its oxygen content and octane rating Now that is an interesting statement. I say bullshit. Mike __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
Like many other things - follow the money. Last I heard, the industry was driving the ethanol mandate, congress just did what they were paid to do. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 8:58 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: It is yet another government mandated, poorly planned, poorly executed, burden on the public. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines by Staff Writers Washington (UPI) Aug 3, 2011 Plans to use existing U.S. pipelines to carry increasing ethanol production poses the problem the fuel can dramatically degrade them, researchers say. Scientists at the National Institute of Standards and Technology warn that ethanol, and especially the bacteria sometimes found in it, can worsen fatigue crack growth rates by 25 times the rate in air alone. Researchers evaluated fatigue-related cracking in two common pipeline steels exposed to ethanol mixtures, including simulated fuel-grade ethanol and an ethanol-water solution containing common bacteria, an NIST release said Wednesday. Substantial increases in crack growth rates were caused by the microbes, NIST researcher Jeffrey Sowards said. These are important data for pipeline engineers who want to safely and reliably transport ethanol fuel in re-purposed oil and gas pipelines. The tests were performed on common pipeline steels, which are alloys of more than a dozen metals. Ethanol, an alcohol that can be derived from corn, is often utilized as a gasoline additive for its oxygen content and octane rating. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
