Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift?
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Mitch Haley wrote: I always wanted to cast the mounts into the concrete rather than drill. I'd love to have four huge u-bolts under the concrete, even if I have to bend them myself to get the right spacing. Adviseable or not? Sill plates in buildings are bolted down with an L bolt which is cast into the walls/footing below. -j.
Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift?
Yes, but the sill plate is usually wood, and doesn't require absolutely flat and plumb mating surfaces that a 2 -post lift needs, with exact placement of the threaded bolts within lass than a 16th of an inch Werner - Original Message - From: John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift? On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Mitch Haley wrote: I always wanted to cast the mounts into the concrete rather than drill. I'd love to have four huge u-bolts under the concrete, even if I have to bend them myself to get the right spacing. Adviseable or not? Sill plates in buildings are bolted down with an L bolt which is cast into the walls/footing below. -j.
Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift?
SHWBO would really love it if I dug a pit or jacked up the building, as two of you have helpfully suggested. Sounds like my best option is the scissors type lift. But how awkward is it to crouch/sit while working? On 2/13/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but the sill plate is usually wood, and doesn't require absolutely flat and plumb mating surfaces that a 2 -post lift needs, with exact placement of the threaded bolts within lass than a 16th of an inch Werner - Original Message - From: John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift? On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Mitch Haley wrote: I always wanted to cast the mounts into the concrete rather than drill. I'd love to have four huge u-bolts under the concrete, even if I have to bend them myself to get the right spacing. Adviseable or not? Sill plates in buildings are bolted down with an L bolt which is cast into the walls/footing below. -j. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift?
Andrew, Depends how strong your back and abs are! Of course, you could put wheels on your recliner and viola! An upgraded creeper! Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Feb 14, 2007, at 7:23 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: SHWBO would really love it if I dug a pit or jacked up the building, as two of you have helpfully suggested. Sounds like my best option is the scissors type lift. But how awkward is it to crouch/sit while working? On 2/13/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but the sill plate is usually wood, and doesn't require absolutely flat and plumb mating surfaces that a 2 -post lift needs, with exact placement of the threaded bolts within lass than a 16th of an inch Werner - Original Message - From: John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift? On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Mitch Haley wrote: I always wanted to cast the mounts into the concrete rather than drill. I'd love to have four huge u-bolts under the concrete, even if I have to bend them myself to get the right spacing. Adviseable or not? Sill plates in buildings are bolted down with an L bolt which is cast into the walls/footing below. -j. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Got a Lift?
Andrew - I have a 2 post asymmetrical lift that does indeed require 220V, but the real problem is that it needs 12 ft of ceiling clearance, as the cross over cabling is overhead rather than on the floor. Great to work on a car when you want to have free movement underneath! Fortunately, when I replaced a 45 year old pole barn, I made it a bit larger and with a 12 ft clearance. The floor needs to be 4-6 of 3000# concrete, and its a snap to rent the proper concrete drill for a couple of hours from Home Depot to drill the 8 holes for installing the anchor bolts. There are shorter models, but most of them require a small connecting channel (about an inch and a half high) that connects the 2 towers, for the equalizing cables and hydraulic lines to cross over. A minor tripping hazard but necessary if you can't go the overhead route. Werner - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Was HF Flux Wire Welder - Now Got a Lift? On the subject of equipment, I am hankering to purchase a car lift for my garage. 2 Post or 4 Post? I have limited ceiling height and would have to do electrical work to accommodate the 220 volts needed for a 2 post system that's bolted to the concrete floor. I'm not inclined to a 4 post system even though th4ey are 110 volts and require no installation because of the clutter and extra room required. Does anyone have a garage lift or one of those major jacking rigs that lift a car maybe 5 feet?
Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift?
Even with a 12 ft clearance, I have to watch out for lifting my M-B with the hood vertical. Thankfully, the roof trusses are on 4 ft centers, and the hood can fit between the trusses a bit when fully raised. Of course, one could lower the hood, but that would take forethought and patience... Werner - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift? but the real problem is that it needs 12 ft of ceiling clearance, Yeah, I built my downstairs garage with 10' ceilings, thinking that I could put a lift in someday. (And it's a good thing I didn't spec. more height, as they were starting to hit some pretty solid rock by then.) Well, there's one or two that might fit in there, but I think they're all four-posters. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift?
What are my options with a ceiling ht. of 100 inches?? The garage has a flat roof and rafters are spaced at 16. Width is 137. On 2/13/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even with a 12 ft clearance, I have to watch out for lifting my M-B with the hood vertical. Thankfully, the roof trusses are on 4 ft centers, and the hood can fit between the trusses a bit when fully raised. Of course, one could lower the hood, but that would take forethought and patience... Werner - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift? but the real problem is that it needs 12 ft of ceiling clearance, Yeah, I built my downstairs garage with 10' ceilings, thinking that I could put a lift in someday. (And it's a good thing I didn't spec. more height, as they were starting to hit some pretty solid rock by then.) Well, there's one or two that might fit in there, but I think they're all four-posters. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift?
Andrew - check out www.geusa.com - that's where I bought my Bend-Pak XP-10AC a few years ago, when they had a sale. They do show a low ceiling lift that still requires 113 clearance for the posts. Less than that, you may be looking at a 4-post or something like that. Werner - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift? What are my options with a ceiling ht. of 100 inches?? The garage has a flat roof and rafters are spaced at 16. Width is 137. On 2/13/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even with a 12 ft clearance, I have to watch out for lifting my M-B with the hood vertical. Thankfully, the roof trusses are on 4 ft centers, and the hood can fit between the trusses a bit when fully raised. Of course, one could lower the hood, but that would take forethought and patience... Werner - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift? but the real problem is that it needs 12 ft of ceiling clearance, Yeah, I built my downstairs garage with 10' ceilings, thinking that I could put a lift in someday. (And it's a good thing I didn't spec. more height, as they were starting to hit some pretty solid rock by then.) Well, there's one or two that might fit in there, but I think they're all four-posters. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift?
Werner - I think this would work for me as I could probably align the posts between the rafters to accommodate the 113 ht. Is yours the same? http://www.pantherlifts.com/9K_two_post_lift.html On 2/13/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew - check out www.geusa.com - that's where I bought my Bend-Pak XP-10AC a few years ago, when they had a sale. They do show a low ceiling lift that still requires 113 clearance for the posts. Less than that, you may be looking at a 4-post or something like that. Werner - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift? What are my options with a ceiling ht. of 100 inches?? The garage has a flat roof and rafters are spaced at 16. Width is 137. On 2/13/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even with a 12 ft clearance, I have to watch out for lifting my M-B with the hood vertical. Thankfully, the roof trusses are on 4 ft centers, and the hood can fit between the trusses a bit when fully raised. Of course, one could lower the hood, but that would take forethought and patience... Werner - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift? but the real problem is that it needs 12 ft of ceiling clearance, Yeah, I built my downstairs garage with 10' ceilings, thinking that I could put a lift in someday. (And it's a good thing I didn't spec. more height, as they were starting to hit some pretty solid rock by then.) Well, there's one or two that might fit in there, but I think they're all four-posters. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift?
Andrew - as you can see in the ads you cite, there are pros and cons for whatever you choose. The lift with the most clear, unobstructed working area, is the 2 post with overhead equalizing cables and lines. Unfortunately, that is also the one needing the most height clearance. You have to choose what works for you. One related issue is the delivery of the lift to your home. The larger lifts are well over 1000# and shipped by motor freight. The trucker will be MOST unhappy if, after locating your driveway, you cannot lift the item off his truck. I was lucky in that I had a compact tractor with bucket, so that I could lift one end and slide it off on to the ground, then lift the other end so that the trucker could drive the truck out from under the load. (my tractor will only lift about 750 lbs with the bucket, about half of the lift shipping weight). Just something to consider! Werner - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift? Werner - I think this would work for me as I could probably align the posts between the rafters to accommodate the 113 ht. Is yours the same? http://www.pantherlifts.com/9K_two_post_lift.html On 2/13/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew - check out www.geusa.com - that's where I bought my Bend-Pak XP-10AC a few years ago, when they had a sale. They do show a low ceiling lift that still requires 113 clearance for the posts. Less than that, you may be looking at a 4-post or something like that. Werner
Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift?
Yeah, I am aware of this. Other than a Vermont cart certified to carry loads up to 400 lbs. I have no means of taking it off their truck or installing it. Might have to enlist the assistance of a third party. On 2/13/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew - as you can see in the ads you cite, there are pros and cons for whatever you choose. The lift with the most clear, unobstructed working area, is the 2 post with overhead equalizing cables and lines. Unfortunately, that is also the one needing the most height clearance. You have to choose what works for you. One related issue is the delivery of the lift to your home. The larger lifts are well over 1000# and shipped by motor freight. The trucker will be MOST unhappy if, after locating your driveway, you cannot lift the item off his truck. I was lucky in that I had a compact tractor with bucket, so that I could lift one end and slide it off on to the ground, then lift the other end so that the trucker could drive the truck out from under the load. (my tractor will only lift about 750 lbs with the bucket, about half of the lift shipping weight). Just something to consider! Werner - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift? Werner - I think this would work for me as I could probably align the posts between the rafters to accommodate the 113 ht. Is yours the same? http://www.pantherlifts.com/9K_two_post_lift.html On 2/13/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew - check out www.geusa.com - that's where I bought my Bend-Pak XP-10AC a few years ago, when they had a sale. They do show a low ceiling lift that still requires 113 clearance for the posts. Less than that, you may be looking at a 4-post or something like that. Werner ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift?
Unless you are a very short person, that 100 ceiling height is going to be a problem with getting under the car -- a car is what, maybe 48 tall or more? That means you only have 4ish ft under it if it is up against the ceiling. I saw on some car show on Sunday a lift that slides under the car from the side, then it lifts it up by the frame about 3 ft or so, enough to work under comfortably. It was kinda big though. An alternative is to jack the whole garage or roof up a bit, put some knee wall under it to give a few more feet. Would not be that hard to do if you have some time and jacks. I had contemplated doing this on a small garage at my house in MA, but moved before I got to that project. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: This is a very affordable mid-range scissors-type lift that raises the car enough to sit under, though I wonder how happy I would be at not being able to stand up under the car http://www.pantherlifts.com/6K_mid_rise_scissors_lift.html On 2/13/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner - I think this would work for me as I could probably align the posts between the rafters to accommodate the 113 ht. Is yours the same? http://www.pantherlifts.com/9K_two_post_lift.html On 2/13/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew - check out www.geusa.com - that's where I bought my Bend-Pak XP-10AC a few years ago, when they had a sale. They do show a low ceiling lift that still requires 113 clearance for the posts. Less than that, you may be looking at a 4-post or something like that. Werner - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift? What are my options with a ceiling ht. of 100 inches?? The garage has a flat roof and rafters are spaced at 16. Width is 137. On 2/13/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even with a 12 ft clearance, I have to watch out for lifting my M-B with the hood vertical. Thankfully, the roof trusses are on 4 ft centers, and the hood can fit between the trusses a bit when fully raised. Of course, one could lower the hood, but that would take forethought and patience... Werner - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift? but the real problem is that it needs 12 ft of ceiling clearance, Yeah, I built my downstairs garage with 10' ceilings, thinking that I could put a lift in someday. (And it's a good thing I didn't spec. more height, as they were starting to hit some pretty solid rock by then.) Well, there's one or two that might fit in there, but I think they're all four-posters. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift?
Andrew - some trucking companies will make you come and pick up a large/heavy item at their dock, or charge extra is they have to bring out a fork lift or similar item. The Bend-Pak lifts come with a heavy iron angle iron frame bolted to each end, making the whole package very heavy, but easier for them to ship as one piece. I suppose you could disassemble the package on the delivery truck (driver agreement required), which might make the pieces man-manageable. (each post on mine was over 400 lbs without the arms). Werner - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift? Yeah, I am aware of this. Other than a Vermont cart certified to carry loads up to 400 lbs. I have no means of taking it off their truck or installing it. Might have to enlist the assistance of a third party.
Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift?
andrew strasfogel wrote: What are my options with a ceiling ht. of 100 inches?? The garage has a flat roof and rafters are spaced at 16. Width is 137. Dig a pit. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift?
Werner Fehlauer wrote: The floor needs to be 4-6 of 3000# concrete, and its a snap to rent the proper concrete drill for a couple of hours from Home Depot to drill the 8 holes for installing the anchor bolts. I always wanted to cast the mounts into the concrete rather than drill. I'd love to have four huge u-bolts under the concrete, even if I have to bend them myself to get the right spacing. Adviseable or not?
Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift?
Just put a couple of big washers, or metal bars of some kind on the heads connecting them, use bolts several inches long. Making Ubolts sounds like a lot of work. --R Mitch Haley wrote: I always wanted to cast the mounts into the concrete rather than drill. I'd love to have four huge u-bolts under the concrete, even if I have to bend them myself to get the right spacing. Adviseable or not?
Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift?
Mitch - with most lifts that have a pre-drilled, welded on base plate, it would be nearly impossible to have imbedded threaded studs in smooth concrete for the base. And these are BIG bolts, not easy to bend without a torch! The way they want you to do it in the installation instructions is you erect the posts in the correct location and orientation, THEN drill the holes using the base plate as the template. The anchor bolts really expand and seize in the drilled holes nicely - I went back several months later, after lifting up some heavy cars (SD's, F150 4x4) and found them to still be just as tightly held as when I first put them in. I did make sure to put in some extra re-bar in the concrete (careful to avoid where I had to drill holes for the bolts), so that the slab would be a stronger plate under the posts. I suppose you could make a drill template from the lift base plate (might have to make one for each post in case they are different), and then somehow hold the threaded studs in perfect alignment while the concrete sets - but that's not what I would want to try. Werner - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Got a Lift? Werner Fehlauer wrote: The floor needs to be 4-6 of 3000# concrete, and its a snap to rent the proper concrete drill for a couple of hours from Home Depot to drill the 8 holes for installing the anchor bolts. I always wanted to cast the mounts into the concrete rather than drill. I'd love to have four huge u-bolts under the concrete, even if I have to bend them myself to get the right spacing. Adviseable or not?
